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Difficult questions about military reform in Russia

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At the Carnegie Moscow Center 11 on July 2013, a presentation was made of a study prepared within the framework of the “Problems of Non-Proliferation” program on the topic: “Russia's Military Reform: State and Prospects.”


Among the invitees were well-known Russian experts in the field of military policy and international security, employees of foreign embassies, the NATO Information Office in Moscow and employees of foreign media.

A representative of the information agency “Weapon Of Russia, ”expert of the Association of military political scientists Alexander Perendzhiev.

The event was hosted by Dmitry Trenin, director of the Carnegie Moscow Center, and Viktor Litovkin, executive editor of the Independent Military Review.

The study was presented by its authors - Chairman of the program “Problems of non-proliferation Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Alexei Arbatov and leading researcher of the Institute of World Economy and International Relations of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Major General (retired) Vladimir Dvorkin.

Difficult questions about military reform in RussiaExecutive editor of Independent Military Review Viktor Litovkin

At the beginning of the presentation, instead of the traditional reports, Viktor Litovkin invited the authors of the study and all those gathered to focus on the discussion of the following issues:

1. What is different about the reform of C.K. Shoigu from the reform A.E. Serdyukov? Or is it a reform - one under the leadership of President of the Russian Federation A.D. Medvedev, and another under the leadership of the head of state V.V. Putin's?

2. What do the authors and all the participants of a scientific forum think about the return of divisions in the structure of the Armed Forces of Russia?

3. What happens to the rearmament of the army and fleet? How effective is it? After all, even representatives of the top military-political leadership recognize serious problems in ensuring communications and command and control!


4. What is changing in the recruitment of troops? Senior military leaders also admit that at the present time it is only possible to recruit troops with 80%.

Chairman of the “Nonproliferation Problems” program Academician Alexei Arbatov

Answering the questions posed by Academician AG Arbatov explained that he was sympathetic to Sergei Shoigu, who, firstly, tries to save those areas that are in the “collapse” stage of Serdyukov’s actions and, if possible, restore what he lost:

  • stop the sale of property and its return to the state
  • stop dismantling and destruction of military camps
  • restore the work system of military medicine
  • return the most intelligent cadres dismissed from the army
  • to stop the destruction of the military education and science system, to restore the lost positions in this area

    However, according to A.G. Arbatov, no reform under the leadership of S.K. Shoigu is not there now, but steps have been taken towards greater openness of the military sphere. Dmitry Medvedev, being on the post of the head of state, did not play any role in the reform and did not delve into any questions. Everything was agreed with V.V. Putin Therefore, this is Putin's reform!

    At the same time, the transformations carried out in the military sphere can be divided into two parts:

    The first part - “Serdyukov’s reform” is connected with the sale of property. The Ministry of Defense had resources that needed to be used in the interests of the development of the country's military organization. But it is not clear whether anyone controlled A.E. Serdyukov as Minister of Defense in the management of these resources? Did he report on his actions in this area?

    The second part - “Makarov’s reform” consisted in the reorganization of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Almost all planned activities were correct. But now everything was put into practice absolutely wrong, with costs, and the essence of the conceived was emasculated.

    Head of the Center for International Security, IMEMO RAN, AG Arbatov believes that the transition to a brigade troop command and control system is fully justified by the existing military-political situation. Our country will not conduct major military operations, neither against NATO nor against anyone, he concluded.

    At the same time, the existing rearmament program resembles, first of all, a sum of wishes from various subjects of the military sphere, but not a well-thought-out armament strategy for the purpose of conducting certain military operations.

    That is, the goal of the program so far is only one - just to change the old equipment to a new one without a clear understanding of the question: what weapons and equipment and what quality should our Armed Forces need to be equipped with? At the same time, the stated figures of the program are economically unrealistic.

    Neither the USA nor the European countries could implement such a program at the present time. But maybe China, if it is strongly podnapryagsya!

    Leading Researcher, IMEMO RAN, Major General (retired) Vladimir Dvorkin

    Major General (retired) V.Z. Dvorkin, answering the questions posed, noted that currently SK Shoigu carries out the instructions of the head of state "to make a fine polishing." At the same time, the reform of Serdyukov is also the fulfillment of the commands of V.V. Putin's

    Evaluating the return to the divisions, the leading researcher of the IMEMO RAN drew the attention of the participants to the fact that the brigade is currently capable of fighting 5-6 hours. For more it is not enough. However, as modern experience shows, more than half of the brigade’s personnel are used for maintenance.

    According to V.Z. Dvorkin, sudden inspections showed that a large territory of Russia requires the creation of such a military structure as the Operational Redeployment Command. At the same time, he drew the attention of the presentation participants to the problems of staffing the modern Armed Forces of the Russian Federation: the lack of a scientific school, the loss of professionalism, which affects the recruitment of units serving modern military equipment and weapons.

    However, there is a suspicion that the real goal of the formation of scientific companies is to create comfortable conditions for the children of high officials, since under the new law it prohibits the recruitment of persons who have not served in the army to the state civil service.

    Commenting on the prospects for rearmament of the army and navy, V.Z. Dvorkin expressed concern about the high level of corruption in the field of government orders, which was noted in a recent report by the Chief Military Prosecutor Sergei Fridinsky.

    The leader of the scientific forum V. Litovkin decided to draw the attention of its participants to the positive moments in the military sphere:
    the number of field exercises increased, more joint military exercises - motorized infantry units began to be held, tanksartillery aviation and fleet
    139 Thousands of people standing in line received apartments

    But at the same time, the NVO executive editor questioned the correctness of the decision to replace the order in which the apartment was provided “in kind” with money. This is fraught with fraud, he said.

    During the discussion of the research results and the questions posed by the forum participants the following problems were identified:

    1. Despite the negative experience of leadership of the military department A.E. Serdyukov, it is still necessary to move towards the development of civil and parliamentary control over the Armed Forces and the appointment of a civilian to the post of Minister of Defense.

    2. What army should be - contract (voluntary) or draft (mobilization)? The authors of the study advocate the idea of ​​refusing conscription, arguing, first of all, that a lot of money is spent on organizing recruiting campaigns and initial training of personnel. The freed up monetary resources could just be spent on the contract pay. At the same time, it was noted that the service life of one year does not justify itself. At present, a conscript soldier is an inefficient soldier who has low professionalism and is not able to handle modern weapons and equipment, to fully fulfill the assigned combat missions. There are a large number of suicides, injuries, desertions, etc. among conscripts. With the army of modern draftees, it is impossible to master new modern technologies in the military.

    3. In addition to increasing the monetary allowance, servicemen must return a full-fledged social package. A good incentive for the recruitment of contract servicemen could be the provision of full-service housing. At the same time, it is necessary to restore the rear support system (including medicine, food, etc.).

    4. The experience of the United States and other developed countries in switching to a contract army showed that such a transition could not be effectively carried out without attracting women to military service.

    5. During the various transformations in the military sphere, the society is informed about the participants in this process, but there is no information about the responsible persons and subjects for the final result.

    6. At present, the state order is being carried out not only to re-equip the army and navy, but also to support the city-forming enterprises and solve other social problems.

    The representative of the news agency “Russia's Arms”, an expert of the Association of Military Political Scientists Alexander Perendzhiev drew attention to the fact that it is not enough for the military expert community to focus only on studying military-administrative and military-social issues. It is also necessary to thoroughly analyze the system of legislative support for the activities and reform of the Armed Forces in order to develop legislation and establish clear legal rules in the military sphere. Perhaps this is one of the ways to increase the effectiveness of military reform.
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    1. Canep
      Canep 16 July 2013 05: 58 New
      +4
      Russia needs to get rid of reforms. It has become a tradition, if something is reformed, then it has become many times worse.
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 16 July 2013 06: 47 New
        16
        Government officials, listen more, paid Americans, advisers. They will advise you - leave the state without an efficient army and navy.
        There already "The head of the Center for International Security, IMEMO RAS A.G. Arbatov believes that ... neither our country will conduct major military operations against NATO or against anyone".
        Sailed called. And if NATO begins the first hostilities, then WHAT, too, "we will not conduct major military operations." To drive such advisers "to the neck", from them a mile away a betrayal of Russian interests.
        Similarly, we can consider the "advice" on the failure of the army "by conscription."
        Only enemies of Russia can advise, to the largest state on the territory, the refusal of conscription and mobilization reserve.
        So, already a drunkard and puppet of the United States, Yeltsin destroyed the mobilization reserve of officers, having refused to train reserve officers at the military departments of civilian universities, reduced the conscription service from 2 years to 1 year, which also frustrated the preparation of the army mobilization staff in terms of qualification training.
        And now, after Serdyukov’s “reforms”, they have already decided to “polish” the Russian army, i.e. virtually destroy it in terms of readiness to defend the homeland.
        It seems that the supreme power of Russia is controlled from the ocean, from the United States. There is no other way to explain all these "reform steps."
        1. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 16 July 2013 09: 03 New
          +6
          Quote: vladimirZ
          It seems that the supreme power of Russia is controlled from the ocean, from the United States. You can’t explain all these differently. "reform steps".

          Reforms, innovations, optimizations ... And D.B.I.L.Y. in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, with an armful of "Genius thoughts."
          I represent one of them, from the last pearls, so to speak.

          Moscow, July 15. “Do you want to be better? Go and serve, ”an official of the Russian Ministry of Defense Anton Gubankov addressed the youth with such a rap call, MIR 24 reports.

          «Come on, youth, move the figure. Closer to the army is fate and kind. Do you want to stand next to the hero, the rescuer? Then hurry after the army detachment! ”, - noted in the song. The video has already become popular on the Internet.

          Gubankov composed and performed rap to increase the authority of the Russian army and the prestige of military service. He himself admits that he was encouraged by the recent board of the Ministry of Defense for such an unusual way of communicating with his audience. They discussed the problems of the army service, in particular contract service.
          From 2008 to 2011, Anton Gubankov headed the Committee on Culture of St. Petersburg. In March 2013, he was appointed head of the Department of Culture of the Ministry of Defense.
          Source: mir24.tv


          Yesterday, I.D.I.O.T.A., showed in the news. My hair moved ... These are the decisions to raise authority. fool
        2. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 16 July 2013 09: 04 New
          -1
          Quote: vladimirZ
          It seems that the supreme power of Russia is controlled from the ocean, from the United States. You can’t explain all these differently. "reform steps".

          Reforms, innovations, optimizations ... And D.B.I.L.Y. in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, with an armful of "Genius thoughts."
          I represent one of them, from the last pearls, so to speak.

          Moscow, July 15. “Do you want to be better? Go and serve, ”an official of the Russian Ministry of Defense Anton Gubankov addressed the youth with such a rap call, MIR 24 reports.

          «Come on, youth, move the figure. Closer to the army is fate and kind. Do you want to stand next to the hero, the rescuer? Then hurry after the army detachment! ”, - noted in the song. The video has already become popular on the Internet.

          Gubankov composed and performed rap to increase the authority of the Russian army and the prestige of military service. He himself admits that he was encouraged by the recent board of the Ministry of Defense for such an unusual way of communicating with his audience. They discussed the problems of the army service, in particular contract service.
          From 2008 to 2011, Anton Gubankov headed the Committee on Culture of St. Petersburg. In March 2013, he was appointed head of the Department of Culture of the Ministry of Defense.
          Source: mir24.tv


          Yesterday, I.D.I.O.T.A., showed in the news. My hair moved ... These are the decisions to raise authority. fool
        3. Gari
          Gari 16 July 2013 11: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: vladimirZ
          Government officials, listen more, paid Americans, advisers.


          The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace is a private, non-profit organization whose main task is to promote cooperation between countries of the world. The fund was named for the American businessman Andrew Carnegie, who wrote on May 11, 1903 a check for one and a half million dollars for the construction of the Peace Palace.

          The Foundation is the owner of the building and the library located in it, maintains them in good condition, ensuring the normal operation of the institutions located here, and also organizes events related to peace and international law.
          The Carnegie Endowment in New York houses the Headquarters of the BILDERBERG CLUB (founders and true leaders Baron Edmund Rothschild and Lawrence Rockefeller, who selected the members of the club).
      2. smel
        smel 16 July 2013 06: 53 New
        +5
        It is imperative to get rid of endless reforms and irresponsible reformers. In the article - a lot has been said correctly. I did not notice only one thing - it was conducting experimental activities (exercises, campaigns, managing military organizations in everyday activities, etc.), followed by evaluating the results and carrying out scientific justifications for certain actions. Some speakers unconditionally stated the correctness of the creation of the brigade structure. Interestingly, did anyone recall the failed teachings of the 74 Brigade? Has anyone asked about the possibility of training, and especially the combat use of mixed artillery brigades? Dumb and irresponsible copying of the American structure, carried out without proper calculations and research (which spent a lot of money, broke thousands of officer destinies and the fate of their wives and children) - from my point of view - CRIME. And it’s all the more shameful when MO Serdyukov (excuse me, but I can’t write this surname with a capital letter) is asked about serious things, and he’s asking his assistant, “but how is this decided by them?” Is not a reform, but an attempt fit the existing and hundreds of times proven structure of our armed forces to the structure of the enemy, which has been beaten more than once.
        And there are plenty of questions on other topics under consideration. It is a pity that in matters of defense and near-defense space the leadership is not entirely responsible, knowledgeable and not patriotic people. Apparently they were paid. Or are afraid to please Magnitsky’s list
      3. waisson
        waisson 16 July 2013 08: 38 New
        +1
        yes reformed the army and in the tail and mane
      4. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 16 July 2013 10: 23 New
        +4
        Quote: Canep
        Russia needs to get rid of reforms

        Any system without development (reform) dies .... More honest and decent people in power are needed, and honesty and decency go through life along with the inevitability of adequate punishment, for corruption and theft in the first place ..... We need 37 years to burn out Serdyukovschina, Chubayshchina and other evil spirits that are like cancer on the body of Mother Russia ... To carry out such radical, but vital for the country measures, a person of Stalin level and popular control are required. Why is 37 years needed? Yes, because liberalists are like sucking ticks, they simply will not give up power ....
      5. nycsson
        nycsson 16 July 2013 11: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Canep
        Russia needs to get rid of reforms. It has become a tradition, if something is reformed, then it has become many times worse.

    2. UFO
      UFO 16 July 2013 05: 59 New
      +6
      And Serdyukov and Shoigu - 2 parts of one project "Military Reform". One had to break everything, so to speak, “clear the site”, play the role of a “scapegoat” and “dump”, and then another came, “good”, to build on the “cleared field”. Old joke "About two foremen". But the “puppeteer” calmly does “everything according to plan,” and Taburetkina will not give up, is it not in his rules, whose will was he doing? AND?
      Well, God forbid, if only for the benefit, while everything seems to be moving in the right direction. wink
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 16 July 2013 06: 07 New
        +2
        Therefore, it does not give up request Old classics - bad - good I just would like to understand the ultimate goal what
        1. UFO
          UFO 16 July 2013 06: 45 New
          +1
          Global changes are coming soon, a new reorganization of the world, in which we are assigned an unenviable role, and here the GDP is in a hurry, is going ahead. The goal is to make ALL “move”, rearm, modernize, catch up on what was lost in 20 years, otherwise, with the help of “partners” we will forever remain a raw materials appendage, vassal and within the borders of the Moscow principality.
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 16 July 2013 06: 49 New
            +2
            Quote: UFO
            a raw materials appendage, a vassal and within the borders of the Moscow principality.

            What is this raw material within the borders of the Moscow principality besides the liberals of gas workers and officials? what wassat
            1. UFO
              UFO 16 July 2013 07: 10 New
              +1
              Well, if you "laugh" like that, then for them our children are also "raw materials."
              And from what remains within the borders of the Moscow principality, the servants will stick to it, the Smerdyakovs are now full. yes
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 16 July 2013 07: 14 New
                +1
                Quote: UFO
                Well, if you "laugh" like that, then for them our children are also "raw materials."

                Well, if you laugh like that, they’re not even fertilizer, in which case wassat
          2. Egoza
            Egoza 16 July 2013 11: 44 New
            0
            Quote: UFO
            catch up on lost for 20-years,

            To do this, first of all, you need to requisition everything that was stolen by the "reformers" Serdyukov. To paraphrase Napoleon - "The army needs money, money, and once again money."
            1. afire
              afire 16 July 2013 12: 22 New
              0
              At the Carnegie Moscow Center ...
              past laughing chur me chur
            2. nycsson
              nycsson 16 July 2013 15: 14 New
              0
              Quote: Egoza
              "The army needs money, money, and again money."

              Army and economy are two incompatible concepts. yes
    3. pinecone
      pinecone 16 July 2013 06: 29 New
      +2
      Whose Carnegie Center office is this?
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 16 July 2013 08: 12 New
        +2
        In addition to the Washington office and the Moscow Center, the Foundation has offices in Beijing, Beirut and Brussels. The organization considers its mission:

        to contribute to the improvement of Russian-American relations, explaining the interests of Russia, its goals and actions, as well as to promote understanding of the policies of Western countries in Russia;
        to be an example of an organization engaged in conducting independent political research and discussions in Russia and other post-Soviet countries;
        serve as a free and open forum for debate on the most pressing socio-political problems of Russia and Eurasia.
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 16 July 2013 08: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: pinecone
        Whose Carnegie Center office is this?

        ... whose whose name is ... :)
        Therefore, you need to do "Vaska listens and eats ..."
        Let them become clever, at the same time, and find out what and how to do it your own way!
      3. Airman
        Airman 16 July 2013 09: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: pinecone
        Whose Carnegie Center office is this?

        After all the scandals with the Carnegie center, I thought he was banned in Russia, and he is still engaged in “reforming” the Russian armed forces. Therefore, the findings did not surprise at all.
    4. Alexei
      Alexei 16 July 2013 06: 33 New
      +3
      1.
      Despite the negative experience of the leadership of the military department A.E. Serdyukov, it is still necessary to move towards the development of civilian and parliamentary control over the Armed Forces and the appointment of a civilian as Minister of Defense.
      Perhaps the scariest item in my opinion.


      2.
      Which army should be - contract (volunteer) or draft (mobilization)?
      Mixed should be. Term 2 year minimum. With the army of modern draftees, one can master new modern technologies in military affairs, if these draftees are not left to their own devices or as slaves.


      3. I agree.


      4.
      The experience of the United States and other developed states in the transition to a contract army has shown that it is impossible to effectively carry out such a transition without involving women in military service.
      Well. So that conscripts do not get bored.


      5.
      During various transformations in the military sphere, the participants in this process are informed to society, but there is completely no information about the responsible persons and entities for the final result.
      Duck is almost everywhere with us.


      6.
      Currently, the state order is being held not only for the rearmament of the army and navy, but also in order to support city-forming enterprises and solve other social problems.
      My favorite item.
    5. xorgi
      xorgi 16 July 2013 06: 35 New
      +3
      The Carnegie Moscow Center, employees of foreign embassies, the NATO information bureau in Moscow, and workers in foreign media - as I understand it: agents of a likely enemy advise us on how to conduct military reform to counter a potential enemy?
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 16 July 2013 19: 29 New
        0
        Absolutely accurate definition! good
        And this rabble of agents of influence is talking about military reform. And their insinuations are also shoved into the ears of the people.
        Theater of the absurd.
    6. serge-68-68
      serge-68-68 16 July 2013 06: 41 New
      +2
      According to the results of the study, questions were discussed, problems were identified ... And I assumed that it should have been at least like this: according to the results of the study, problems were discussed, solutions were identified (recommendations were made) ...
    7. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 16 July 2013 07: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: serge-68-68
      according to the results of the study, they discussed problems, identified solutions (prepared recommendations) ...

      What kind of recommendations can this gathering of civilians have - “polish” the army to the state of foil? making recommendations requires the presence of professionals who themselves have experienced military service, and the absence of spectators in the form of "well-known Russian experts in the field of military policy and international security, employees of foreign embassies, the NATO information bureau in Moscow and foreign media workers." nevertheless, the question of ways of developing the army for the next .... will be decided for eleven years.
    8. Grbear
      Grbear 16 July 2013 07: 13 New
      +7
      Who are the judges? ...

      The Carnegie Moscow Center - Carnegie Endowment ...

      The Carnegie Endowment in New York houses Headquarters Bilderberg Club.

      Alexander Perendzhiev

      Education
      REU (Russian Economic University named after G.V. Plekhanov; REA; MINH), Moscow, Specialist
      tsdpo - Continuing education and retraining
      2009 - 2009
      Specialty: innovative development of the university. At the end of the course he presented the project "Improving the impact on the innovative development of the university"(project" QUANGO ").
      VUMO (Military University of the Ministry of Defense; VIIIA), Moscow, Ph.D.
      applicant at the department of political science
      2006 - 2007
      Thesis: "Anti-terrorism policy of the modern Russian state"
      MIRBIS (Moscow International Higher School of Business; MIRBIS), Moscow, Specialist
      Refresher courses
      2004 - 2004
      Studied in the specialty "Enterprise Management".
      Uch., Simferopol Higher Military-Political Construction, Simferopol
      military building
      1987 - 1991
      Specialty: social teacher-psychologist.
      Tech., Utilities, Novorossiysk
      Water supply and water treatment
      - graceful combination
      1983 - 1987


      experience
      Associate Professor, Department of Political Science and Sociology
      G.V. Russian University of Economics Plekhanova, Moscowhttp: //www.rea.ru
      10001 and more people, Science, education / Higher, professional education
      September 2010 - continue to work
      Assistant Head of Institute
      53 Central Design Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Moscow
      101 - 1000 people, Construction, real estate, Housing and Public Utilities / Engineering, architecture, design
      September 2003 - 2009 November
      Duties
      Executive functions
      Administrative, personnel and educational work.
      Security, administrative investigations and inquiries.
      Cultural and leisure work

      He served in the following positions:
      - Deputy company commander for political affairs;
      - commander of the commandant platoon;
      - commander of a military-building company;
      - Officer for the organization of cultural and leisure work - the head of the club of the military-building regiment;
      - Officer for public-state training and information of the military-building regiment;
      - Deputy commander of the military construction unit for educational work;
      - Assistant to the Head of the Federal State Enterprise “53 Central Design Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation”.

      And do these people talk about army reform?
    9. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 16 July 2013 08: 44 New
      +5
      The main thing in the essence of the military reform of SERDYUKOV-MAKAROV was not a property sale (it’s so collateral, to satisfy more personal than state) and not a reform of the army’s structure. Look at the root. Under the Soviet army, warriors, mostly from workers and peasants, defended the national heritage. Now the same immigrants from the workers and peasants, but already more marginalized, brought in most cases to a hopeless situation by unemployment and poverty, but must already defend stolen by a small bunch of scoundrels. Such an army under the banners where it says "For Deripaska (Abramovich, Vekselberg, etc.,)" is unlikely to go to a bloody battle. So it was necessary to change, FIRST QUALITY PERSONNEL BASIS - THE OFFICERS OF THE ARMY. Those who were brought up under the slogan "Everything that is created by the people should be reliably protected!" were expelled indiscriminately and assessing business qualities. Which was successfully done by SERDYUKOV and MAKAROV.
      And the reform of the structure of the Armed Forces was carried out according to the recommendations .... and under the examples of AMER. I agree, the battalion use of troops is possible and better ... both in command ... and in training ... and redeployment ... and in the formation of an army group to solve specific and specific tasks. So we switched to brigade formations. Well, ALMOST like in the USA. That's just about ALMOST and the whole question. In the US Army there are higher centers ... an analogue of our divisions, which have a large rear storage of the necessary weapons and military equipment. And when a group of several different battalions is formed, rear specialists come into play, which quickly provide these battalions with everything necessary for this operation. In our country, however, all the scarce logistical support was closed to brigades ...
      The second disastrously big minus of the ongoing reform is that it sharply weakened our combat capabilities FOR FREE. Such a reform essentially deprived our army of quickly deploying a full reserve, in the absence of a trained mobility reserve.
      I don’t even speak about the judges and evaluators of our reforms ... the above is said well and true.
    10. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 16 July 2013 08: 46 New
      +1
      Well, let’s say, we’ve arrived! Well, gentlemen, trying to crush the whole world under themselves, they’re “preoccupied” by the military reforms of Russia, which they consider their most implacable enemy. God save us from such “caring”, and our 5th column in all its glory Well, they would say bluntly: the State Department. The United States is preoccupied with military reforms in Russia. Now the emperor Alexander 3’s statement that Russia has two allies, the Army and the Navy, became obvious. In general, as Chinese wisdom says: God save you from living in an era of change (read reform) .A listen the advice of these "caring" is the same as asking for advice from a thief where it is better to keep money ...
    11. Sharingan
      Sharingan 16 July 2013 09: 01 New
      +2
      "Reforms" Serdyukov - this is the direct responsibility of the then Chairman of the Cabinet of Ministers, Comrade Putin. The bear is not at all involved.
    12. valokordin
      valokordin 16 July 2013 09: 03 New
      +8
      Let’s, as President Lukashenka said, separate flies from cutlets. All ongoing reforms, from which it is already shaking, in all areas of the country’s activities go from the president - this is army reform, reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences, introduction of the Unified State Exam, all this is from the president and his command. All that we see is the support of the hated Chubais, Minister Taburetkin, the landing of Kvachkov and Khabarov. Financing of nothingness in ROSNA, we will soon begin lifting the sunken ships from the bottom of the Baltic Sea (although it is very interesting), and there will be money. Failure to complete the construction of apartments for war participants, the collapse of the housing and communal services and the transfer of property for feeding to special services. Full and not the president in the media for all the misfortunes. Divorce and maiden name. Is this a role model? or a conscious policy of strengthening personal power. But scientific vomiting, there is no benefit from them and will not be, this is an invention for the excuse of the sons of oligarchs and officials. So much for reform.
      1. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 16 July 2013 09: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: valokordin
        And scientific vomiting, there is no benefit from them and will not be, this is an invention for the excuse of the sons of oligarchs and officials. So much for reform.

        good This does not reach many. All the fuck "look" want, and what's next.
        Well Carnegie, then what?
        I have a feeling that many people on the site have such a feeling that if they from the USA hear that the Earth revolves around the sun, they will outperform the amers in this case too.
        What the hell is the difference who he said. Indeed, in what was said, and in this article, there is something reasonable. "Commenting on the prospects for the rearmament of the army and navy, VZ Dvorkin expressed concern about the high level of corruption in public procurement, which was noted in a recent report by the chief military prosecutor Sergei Fridinsky."
        Someone disagree? Also for the rest.
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 16 July 2013 09: 37 New
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        There is a good article, or rather an interview.

        "Gifts for the Independence Day of Russia"
        http://narodinteres.ru/podarki-ko-dnyu-nezavisimosti-rossii.html

        Gift No.1
        On June 8, the State Duma in the first reading adopted a bill to pay cap. home repair by the owners. Now, according to this bill, a separate mandatory standing payment for cap will be allocated as part of a payment for housing and communal services. repairs.

        Gift No.2
        The Ministry of Justice has registered - thereby they come into force - educational standards in high schools. That is, for the 10-th, 11-th class.
        Explanation:
        The state is obliged to provide free, general secondary education only within the framework of state educational standards. Understanding that what is in the standards will be given for free. And what is not in the standards, please pay for it yourself. Now, therefore, it will not be for those who do not deal with this profile, separately physics, chemistry, biology. And there will be an object - natural science.
        So, subsidies to budgetary institutions — education, healthcare, culture, etc. — will be issued on the basis of — if we are talking about education — what is laid down in this standard. All that is beyond him is please, but for your money.

        Gift No.3
        In April, a letter with a proposal to raise the retirement age was sent to the Ministry of Finance, signed by the Deputy Minister of Economic Development. As well as increasing the insurance period from 5 to 15 years to receive a basic pension. Thus, in spite of all the talk that there will be no increase in the retirement age, this is first creeping and then galloping, as the economic situation worsens, the retirement age will increase.

        Very interesting interview. I recommend everyone to read! Maybe some brains will fall into place!
        1. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 16 July 2013 11: 06 New
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          nycsson
          Welcome.
          Quote: nycsson
          Maybe some brains will fall into place!

          Of course they will. laughing Again they say that these are the machinations of the State Department laughing
          A list of gifts can go on and on.
          and Merika is to blame. laughing So it’s easier.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 16 July 2013 11: 12 New
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            Quote: Z.A.M.
            Welcome.

            Mutually! hi
            Quote: Z.A.M.
            Again they say that these are the machinations of the State Department

            Fate of the weak-minded!
            Quote: Z.A.M.
            A list of gifts can go on and on.

            That's for sure! Here are the main ones that directly affect our population.
            Quote: Z.A.M.
            and Merika is to blame.

            Our people are to blame for everything. He allowed himself to be deceived.
    13. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 16 July 2013 09: 05 New
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      Quote: KazaK Bo
      The main thing in the essence of the military reform of Serdyukov-Makarov

      I absolutely agree with the post.
    14. Airman
      Airman 16 July 2013 09: 21 New
      +3
      There are no reforms, but there is shy from side to side. Until an intelligible MILITARY DOCTRINE is adopted, there can be no talk of any planned construction of the Armed Forces. Now everything goes according to the principle - let's at least do something.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 16 July 2013 13: 07 New
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        Quote: Povshnik
        Until a coherent MILITARY DOCTRINE is adopted

        Totally agree with you! In order to reform the army you need to know the upcoming threats to the country in the near and long term.
        The reform of our army is based on one principle - this is the maximum savings.
    15. kotvov
      kotvov 16 July 2013 09: 24 New
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      NATO is already our ally. Wait, the division of polar oil and gas will begin: I would like to see where these advisers will be.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 16 July 2013 11: 29 New
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        Quote: kotvov
        NATO is already our ally. Wait, the division of polar oil and gas will begin: I would like to see where these advisers will be.

        Have you heard anything about the corporation for the development of the Far East and Siberia. Take an interest ........
    16. treskoed
      treskoed 16 July 2013 09: 44 New
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      Among the invited persons were well-known Russian experts in the field of military policy and international security, employees foreign embassies, the NATO Information Office in Moscow, and foreign media workers.

      The Carnegie Moscow Center seems to be a foreign agent. And strives to deepen the reform of the army.
    17. Russ69
      Russ69 16 July 2013 09: 57 New
      +1
      In the reform of the army, whoever climbs. Now, the Kornega Center, which, incidentally, is also funded from America. Let them deal with reform, those who are supposed to, and grandiose cars.
    18. tank64rus
      tank64rus 16 July 2013 10: 02 New
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      They think the 90s are going on. It is interesting if such a gathering occurred in their favorite States, only advice would be given to the Americans. I think their identities would have been studied by NSA agents. But the fact that the Carnegie Center is the brainchild of the State Department and the CIA does not know only the lazy. Interesting "tips" are given by "friends" from NATO, but you just have to do the opposite.
    19. runway
      runway 16 July 2013 10: 42 New
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      There is nothing to say about the recommendations of the Carnegie Center - whose reform is in the army, Putin or Medvedev. These "recommendations" of the army are not needed. They can’t fool people.
      But when discussing the topic, it sounded that army reforms were not needed. It is impossible to agree with this conclusion. After all, the army is a living organism and it needs to grow and develop continuously. With the advent of new scientific physical principles of influence on the enemy, intelligence, personal defense are necessary revolutionary changes in the structure of its armed forces, development of new approaches to the strategy and tactics of warfare. Otherwise, we will be in the role of catching up.
    20. varov14
      varov14 16 July 2013 11: 25 New
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      It turns out that all our reforms are led and approved by NATO, and the government seems to receive money from the State Department except the state treasury.
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    22. ovgorskiy
      ovgorskiy 16 July 2013 12: 30 New
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      A presentation was held at the Carnegie Moscow Center on July 11, 2013 .....
      Among the invited persons were ..... employees of foreign embassies, the NATO information bureau in Moscow and foreign media workers.
      Of course, I understand that there are a lot of problems in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, but what, they should be discussed in the organization - a foreign agent by foreigners and paid oppositionists ???? Personally, it is not my acceptance of such presentations that causes me, but even complete disgust and distrust. IMHO.
    23. Alexey M
      Alexey M 16 July 2013 16: 54 New
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      At the Carnegie Moscow Center, you can’t read everything.
    24. valokordin
      valokordin 16 July 2013 17: 16 New
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      Quote: Alexey M
      At the Carnegie Moscow Center, you can’t read everything.

      It is not necessary to read, but to write that everything is done to the tune of the oligarchic world capital, which rules both us and Uncle Sam. The goal is one in excess of profit and nothing personal. See simpler, classics of political economy have long told about this. As long as this damned bourgeois power exists, there is nothing to expect.
    25. aviamed90
      aviamed90 16 July 2013 20: 00 New
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      Shoigu does not carry out the reform, but merely cleans the “shoals” for Mr. Serdyukov and Co. It is obvious.

      But there was no reform under Serdyukov!
      Reform involves improving the situation, not worsening it.

      And all this discussion among the "association of experts" is utter nonsense!