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The first production models of the fifth generation fighter T-50 (PAK FA) will be equipped with the so-called engine of the first stage, which has already been created, said General Director of the United Aircraft Building Corporation Mikhail Pogosyan. The experts told about the advantages of the second stage engine, the development of which is in full swing.


Mikhail Pogosyan, General Director of the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC), stated that the engine for the fifth generation T-50 fighter (PAK FA) was created in Russia.

“The engine for the fifth generation fighter was created; it is called the“ first stage engine ”. Now we have started the technical project of the second stage engine, which will be installed on the second stage PAK FA aircraft, ”said Poghosyan at the exhibition in Le Bourget.

Currently, tests of the T-50 airframe are carried out on six machines in Kubinka near Moscow, equipped with engines of the first stage belonging to the 4 ++ generation.

According to the general director of UAC, the first serial fighters will be produced with the engine of the first stage, RIA "News". As the engine of the second stage is developed, the fighters of the next stage will be equipped with it.

On the eve, Deputy Director General of Rostec State Corporation Vladimir Artyakov said that Salyut, Saturn and the Lyulka Scientific-Technical Center completed the second stage of creating the second-stage engine for the fifth-generation fighter.


“We have reached the stage of a draft technical project. This is the engine of the second stage for the fifth generation fighter, ”said Artyakov. He noted that all works are on schedule. “We have very good prospects,” the deputy director added.

The general director of Oboronprom Dmitry Lelikov said at a press conference at the air show at Le Bourget that “given the work done in the framework of the technical and conceptual design, the prospects are quite good.”

“We will proceed to the next stage according to the schedule of works. At the moment, we are completely satisfied with the state of work, ”the press service of the state corporation Russian Technologies quotes Lelikov as saying.

“It always happened that the development of any aviation type is proceeding in stages, step by step,” Colonel Vladimir Anokhin, vice-president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, told the VIEW newspaper. “A plane is being created, and it is based on the power and capabilities of some engine, and in the process of development of this type it acquires a new engine with new properties, and already some other ideology of the aircraft is formed under this engine.”

«aviation specialists prepare a glider, equipment, and they rely on some kind of power plant. If it already exists, then they can work on the plane itself. And if in the future there is a new engine, they are talking about it with certainty, which means that there is already an airplane glider and the tactical and technical data incorporated into it. This is normal logic, ”he said.

“The engine of the second stage should be provided by the cruising supersonic flight regime,” Igor Korotchenko, editor-in-chief of the National Defense magazine, told the VIEW newspaper. - This is the main thing. There is a fundamentally new requirement not only for its characteristics, but also for the parameters of the materials used. These are completely new things. The development of a full-scale engine of the second stage will take considerable time. It’s good that the basic design principles are already ready, but there will be a big stage of work ahead related to the engine output to the design characteristics, and, most importantly, ensuring the required resource by operating hours. This is quite a challenge. ”

As for the engine of the first stage, Korotchenko noted that there was an evolution of the existing AL-31 "by improving its individual characteristics and outputs to certain design solutions for individual elements." “The Air Force, as pragmatists, understood that, in terms of equipping it with a T-50 engine, there should be a phased approach, due to the fact that it will not be possible to reach the full-scale fifth-generation engine right away. There is a complex development of all elements: weapon in the variant of the intra-body suspension, the fifth-generation radar with an active phased antenna array, testing the airframe itself from the point of view of layout, aerodynamics and the implementation of all requirements for the fifth-generation fighter, ”he added.


T-50 (project PAK FA) - the aircraft of the fifth generation, equipped with a fundamentally new complex of avionics and advanced radar with a phased antenna array. The first flight took place on 29 on January 2010 of the year in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the first public demonstration of the fighter on 17 on August 2011 of the year at the MAKS-2011 international aerospace show in Zhukovsky near Moscow. Rostechnologies note that the fighter is invisible to enemy radar, develops speed over 2500 km / h and has artificial intelligence. The aircraft is able to perform complex operations that were previously impossible with the intervention of the pilot.

Most of the characteristics of the fighter kept secret, but the designers claim that many of the parameters of the PAK FA exceed the American fifth-generation aircraft Raptor F-22. The speed of the Russian aircraft is more on 500 km / h, the weight of the structure is less, the flight duration is longer, in addition, the T-50 is more maneuverable than the American equivalent.

During the secret tests, the T-50 made more than 500 sorties. The developers claim that the first stage of testing was successful. Plane plan to launch in mass production in 2015 year.

According to the newspaper VIEW, in February, the general designer of the Design Bureau. Lyulki (Moscow branch of NPO Saturn) Evgeny Marchukov said that the work on the creation of the second stage engine for the T-50 will be completed by 2017 year. As for the engine of the first stage, according to the general designer, it was created “in accordance with the schedule”. Its parameters correspond to the technical task.

Note that in 2011, the engine installed on the PAK FA caused a flight accident. On the last day of the MAKS-2011 air show in the Zhukovsky T-50 near Moscow, for technical reasons, it stopped the demonstration take-off from the airfield.

During the takeoff, there were deviations in the operation of the right engine automation, an unusually powerful emission of flame from the engine occurred. Test pilot Sergey Bogdan at a speed of about 100 kilometers per hour decided to stop taking off. After that, the car began to brake and stopped, firing a braking parachute.

An external examination did not reveal any damage to the aircraft and the engine. The media reported that the incident was associated with a loss of control over the supply of fuel to the engine.
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  1. cartridge
    cartridge 21 June 2013 18: 47
    22
    Aviation specialists prepare a glider, equipment, and they rely on some kind of power plant. If it already exists, then they can work on the plane itself. And if in the future there is a new engine, they are talking about it with certainty, which means that there is already an airplane glider and the tactical and technical data incorporated into it. This is normal logic.


    I believe unconditionally in the ability of Sukhoi Design Bureau to create a full-fledged fifth-generation fighter.
    And I wish our designers success in this matter!
    1. experienced
      experienced 21 June 2013 20: 30
      +3
      The speed of the Russian aircraft is more than 500 km / h, the weight of the structure is less, the flight duration is longer, in addition, the T-50 is more maneuverable compared to the American counterpart.

      I am not an expert in aircraft manufacturing, but even I understand that I would like to hear about the ability of our fighter to detect an enemy earlier and equip it with missiles that hit enemy aircraft at a greater distance soldier
      Well, about the fact that the aircraft is first created, and then the engine is modernized, the experts know better. The same auto industry one car model with 3 sometimes more engines hi
      1. VladUrich
        VladUrich 21 June 2013 21: 17
        0
        Here's an article that you might be interested in: A detailed comparison of 5th generation fighters. Khudzitsky Mikhail, design engineer of guidance systems.

        http://warfiles.ru/show-33227-podrobnoe-sravnenie-istrebiteley-5-pokoleniya.html

        If anyone wishes, he can repost the article.
        1. VAF
          VAF 21 June 2013 21: 35
          +1
          Quote: VladUrich
          Here's an article that you might be interested in: A detailed comparison of 5th generation fighters. Khudzitsky Mikhail, design engineer of guidance systems.


          I started to read ... on your link wink reached (it is almost at the very beginning) .. quote: - the use of fifth-generation engines in a power plant, the hallmark of which is the increase in gas temperature in front of the turbine to values ​​in the region of 1900 degrees Kelvin;

          After reading this ... "pearl" ... stopped reading! soldier

          Because no gas temperature determines the generation of the engine, but its specific thrust. wassat

          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 21 June 2013 22: 07
            10
            I don't want to get in, but Gen. Director of NPO Saturn Marchukov says that the 6th generation engine will be determined by the temperature of the gases in front of the turbine at the limit of the possible combustion temperature of kerosene of 2300 degrees. Whoever can achieve this, that and slippers. There is nowhere to develop further along this path. So Khudzitsky may not be much wrong when he speaks of 1900 degrees. At AL 31 f this temperature reaches 1400 degrees. I don't know about AL 41.
            1. VAF
              VAF 21 June 2013 22: 20
              -2
              Quote: fzr1000
              but Gen. director of NPO Saturn Marchukov says


              He ... more wink +! bully
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 21 June 2013 23: 27
                +5
                And as far as I remember from the WFD course, the higher Tcd, the higher the efficiency of the Engine and Ore.
              2. Refund_SSSR
                Refund_SSSR 23 June 2013 16: 46
                0
                From the course of physics (secondary school), and of course it is more visible, not to mention heat engineering, etc. wink in general, as they say - "learning is light" lol
          2. Srgsoap
            Srgsoap 21 June 2013 23: 29
            0
            Serega welcome! Welcome back! Your comments were missing! good drinks
          3. Nick
            Nick 21 June 2013 23: 44
            +2
            Quote: vaf
            Because no gas temperature determines the generation of the engine, but its specific thrust.

            The efficiency of the engine depends on temperature, and therefore it is quite possible, including the specific draft IMHO ...
            1. VAF
              VAF 22 June 2013 00: 02
              +2
              Quote: Nick
              The efficiency of the engine depends on the temperature


              Very generalized, but the idea is true! +!

              Efficiency of the engine increases with the POSSIBILITY of maintaining a high temperature of gases, and even better to INCREASE it already in the process of its expansion in the turbine wink
              Then it will be .. high efficiency !!! drinks
          4. vBR
            vBR 22 June 2013 15: 01
            +3
            An increase in temperature is not necessary on its own. The efficiency of the thermodynamic process depends on this - the gas operation on the turbine, i.e. specific traction and profitability. The main problem is materials for blade machines that can withstand this. But in materials science after the reforms, it’s completely rotten, schools are largely liquidated, technologies are lost, they can’t even now get some materials that were produced in the 80s.
            1. VAF
              VAF 22 June 2013 21: 28
              0
              Quote: Vbr
              An increase in temperature is not necessary on its own. The efficiency of the thermodynamic process depends on this - the gas operation on the turbine, i.e. specific traction and profitability.


              So I wrote about this in the first comment ..... that it’s not temperature, namely specific thrust() which also "pulls" the economy and efficiency ".. but ...... the people (armed with the knowledge of the theory of jet engines) immediately began to" throw tomatoes. "

              Although he wrote it seems to be clear and accessible ... without any special specifications and "smart" words!

              You definitely +! drinks I hope that the "minusers" understood that ..... well, even if they did not understand, wink then anyway .....
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        2. lucidlook
          lucidlook 21 June 2013 22: 03
          +7
          Continuing the theme of how different "generations" feel.

          “Later, during the Red Flaf 2012 exercise in Alaska, two Luftwaffe Eurofighters from Jagdgeschwader 74 (JG74) were seen with signs 'Killed the F-22.' EF-2000 30 + 29 carried one sign, and the 30 + 30 was photographed with three. "
          (my translation is based on wiki materials)
      2. VAF
        VAF 21 June 2013 21: 24
        +3
        Quote: seasoned
        Well, about the fact that the aircraft is first created, and then the engine is modernized, the experts know better.


        Lyosha, it’s a bit wrong here .... they made a glider. But the engine did not have time, so they installed 117C, it more or less fits.
        Now we have done all the work on ed.30. wink
      3. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 21 June 2013 21: 57
        -1
        Quote: seasoned
        The speed of the Russian aircraft is more than 500 km / h, the weight of the structure is less, the flight duration is longer, in addition, the T-50 is more maneuverable compared to the American counterpart.

        I am not an expert in aircraft manufacturing, but even I understand that I would like to hear about the ability of our fighter to detect an enemy earlier and equip it with missiles that hit enemy aircraft at a greater distance soldier
        Well, about the fact that the aircraft is first created, and then the engine is modernized, the experts know better. The same auto industry one car model with 3 sometimes more engines hi

        There are models of 18 engines; an airplane does not need more than one.
        1. Coward
          Coward 22 June 2013 04: 30
          +2
          To the Su-25 pilots flying out on combat missions, tell us how many engines are needed for the aircraft.
    2. Mitek
      Mitek 21 June 2013 20: 57
      +6
      Quote: cartridge

      I believe unconditionally in the ability of Sukhoi Design Bureau to create a full-fledged fifth-generation fighter.
      And I wish our designers success in this matter!

      They need to put a monument in their lifetime !!! They didn’t betray their homeland, didn’t run to the trough in archaic times, and now, in the shortest possible time, amid the collapse of all that can create such a machine! Guys, if you suddenly read - from the bottom of my heart THANKS you!
  2. omsbon
    omsbon 21 June 2013 18: 52
    +3
    I wish success to our designers! To the joy of us, to the fear of enemies!
  3. Russ69
    Russ69 21 June 2013 18: 57
    +4
    Judging by how officials actively report on the T-50 tests, the test process is proceeding quite successfully and there are no big problems.
    If the series goes in 2015, we will consider a holiday on our street too smile
    1. Tarpon
      Tarpon 21 June 2013 19: 08
      +1
      Quote: Russ69
      .
      If the series goes in 2015, we will consider a holiday on our street too smile

      Definitely! drinks
  4. Severok
    Severok 21 June 2013 19: 15
    +3
    Big sky to this bird.
  5. Smersh
    Smersh 21 June 2013 19: 20
    -1
    Americans nervously smoke on the sidelines ...
    1. Burbulator
      Burbulator 21 June 2013 19: 39
      +1
      In my opinion, the Americans have already abandoned their "bulls" .... And they are working.
      The plans include the release of 30 aircraft for the 2013 and 2014 fiscal years. And this is only for myself (besides friends)
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 21 June 2013 20: 28
        +3
        Quote: Burbulator
        And this is only for myself (besides friends)

        If you are talking about the F-22, then it is not for sale, but is made exclusively "for your own beloved." For sale they have another: F-35. It is cheaper, the performance characteristics are lower than that of the Raptor (apparently they want to retain priority in the combat capabilities of the airline). So for the "friends" the amers have other loafs.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 22 June 2013 09: 29
          0
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Raptor (apparently they want to reserve a priority in the combat capabilities of the airline complex).

          And perhaps it turned out not so good as the Americans themselves say about it. Whatever this is known to all, they do not sell it.
      2. Airman
        Airman 21 June 2013 20: 55
        0
        Quote: Burbulator
        In my opinion, the Americans have already abandoned their "bulls" .... And they are working.
        The plans include the release of 30 aircraft for the 2013 and 2014 fiscal years. And this is only for myself (besides friends)


        The plans of the SERIES WILL GO IN 2015! What 30 aircraft are you talking about in 2013 and 2014?
        1. VAF
          VAF 21 June 2013 21: 39
          -1
          Quote: Povshnik
          The plans of the SERIES WILL GO IN 2015!


          He is speaking for the F-35! wink

          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 21 June 2013 21: 59
            +2


            Rafale vs F 22, What can you say vaf?
            1. VAF
              VAF 21 June 2013 22: 11
              +3
              Quote: ayyildiz
              Rafale vs F 22


              As the squadron commander Titarenko said - "... on the bends ... rather weak"! wink
            2. Explosiver
              Explosiver 21 June 2013 23: 59
              0
              Oh, forget about the F-22, he’s just a movie hero who practically kills his pilots.
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 21 June 2013 22: 02
      +2
      Quote: Smersh
      Americans nervously smoke on the sidelines ...

      The Americans have about 200 of them in service, and you can smoke ...
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 22 June 2013 23: 11
        0
        Quote: Semyon Semyonich
        The Americans have about 200 of them in service, and you can smoke ...

  6. Pilot200809
    Pilot200809 21 June 2013 19: 23
    +3
    A LIQUIDATOR of all Western evil spirits such as "raptors", "cobras" and so on is born. Will go hunting soon. HAVE A GOOD HUNTING ! We are waiting with trophies
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 21 June 2013 23: 02
      -5
      What nonsense? What kind of hunt will he go there?
  7. My address
    My address 21 June 2013 19: 41
    +2
    Our planes are simply handsome both in appearance and characteristics!

    Still decent cars and massively learn to do.
  8. Apollo
    Apollo 21 June 2013 20: 06
    +4
    Infographics and video on the above topic.

  9. Good fellow
    Good fellow 21 June 2013 20: 10
    +4
    And here's a curious comparison: our airframe design is lighter than a foreign glider, and maneuverability is higher, i.e. in fact, our load holds better, the structural strength is higher with minimal weight than what the Americans were able to realize in their glider. So in vain they criticize ours, they say we weigh everything with the Russians more, they say we do not fit in the dimensions ....
    1. B_KypTke
      B_KypTke 21 June 2013 20: 38
      0
      Well, one can judge the strength characteristics of Russian gliders by at least the Su-35S, it has a limitation of 14.5g.
      I don’t think the T-50 has less. Western cars have a maximum of 9-10, although I can’t say for the raptor .. I don’t know.
      1. cyclist
        cyclist 21 June 2013 21: 00
        0
        the T-50 also seems to be like a 9G pilot in a special suit, apparently everything is limited by the physical capabilities of the body and the presence of special flight suits, but air-to-air missiles and air defense systems seem to be up to 20g. apparently the next generation will be completely unmanned fighters with the ability super-maneuverable melee combat
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        3. B_KypTke
          B_KypTke 21 June 2013 21: 46
          +2
          The physical abilities of a person make it possible to endure short-term overloads of hundreds g without consequences, and race car drivers confirm this. But the design of the airframe with super-energy shifts can be destroyed. So the greater the margin of safety, the better, even because the torsional rigidity of the structure has a beneficial effect on the handling of the apparatus.
      2. eagle11
        eagle11 23 June 2013 12: 14
        0
        Where is it from: "Well, you can judge the strength characteristics of Russian gliders at least by the Su-35S, it has a limit of 14.5g .... Western machines have a maximum of 9-10" I will not say for the Su-35S, but by its "dad "Su-27, operational maximum +9 (but with a minimum of fuel, I already wrote about it on the forum), ultimate strength +14,5. I don't think "son" is much better. Western machines have similar strength characteristics, the main thing is the possibilities for their implementation.
    2. aviator_IAS
      aviator_IAS 21 June 2013 22: 02
      +2
      Quote: Good fellow
      So in vain they criticize ours, they say we weigh everything with the Russians more, they say we do not fit in the dimensions ....


      Glider and aerodynamics are usually close to ideal. If there was an excess of weight, then this is in the flight, navigation, communication and other equipment (compared with the same bourgeois). As with this issue on the T-50 still have a look.
      1. Good fellow
        Good fellow 21 June 2013 23: 31
        0
        My respect. Thank you for the comment. He nodded in agreement with you. So I think so. The glider is our standard for aerodynamics today. So to speak, the golden mean between stealth technology and the characteristics inherent in a fighter. Yes! We would have to tighten the electronics for him. But about the dimensions, I’m really glad, it’s in vain that our enemies are scolded and simply ignorant people, they say everything was gone, we can’t do composites, metallurgy is behind, etc. Uh! No! In what happened: the weight is lighter, and the strength is higher, and the engines are being prepared already, a couple of years will pass, they will raise their resource.
  10. sapsan14
    sapsan14 21 June 2013 20: 25
    +2
    All perfectly. But we are waiting for the first squadron, the first regiment. Still work and work. No euphoria.
  11. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 June 2013 20: 29
    +2
    Quote: sapsan14
    All perfectly. But we are waiting for the first squadron, the first regiment. Still work and work. No euphoria.

    I agree!! We will rejoice when they begin to patrol realistically and without noise .. !!!
  12. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 21 June 2013 20: 45
    +5
    in fact, our load holds better, the structural strength is higher with minimal weight than what the Americans were able to realize in their glider.
    Quote: Good fellow
    they say we do not fit the dimensions ....

    This is so, but here's the catch: the Yankees made the Raptor 20 years ago. They put it on the wing. Several hundred were riveted. Now they are a drone with cyber brains harp. And so I, too, am glad that it holds 14,5 g overload, and its speed is higher, and lighter, and more beautiful, and imperceptible iiiii ... That's just about avionics, somehow, there is little information, but about weapons that are "inside womb "(that is, in the fuselage) will be placed.
    It is good that we were pleased with the design refinements of the second-stage engine: during repair and modernization, they will be put on cars that will be operational by that time. Just to be in time until the clouds gathered overhead. Amer is heading for another crisis, and we all know what way out of them.
  13. B_KypTke
    B_KypTke 21 June 2013 20: 47
    +2
    The article, of course, is in a positive way and generally speaking about the T - 50 it’s always nice to read the news, but I still don’t understand what I’ve read .. is it the notorious cruising afterburner supersound on Pakf with the engine of the first stage or not ... let it go .
    1. VAF
      VAF 21 June 2013 21: 52
      +6
      Quote: B_KypTke
      he is this notorious cruising afterburner supersonic on Pakf with the engine of the first stage


      There! good

      1. B_KypTke
        B_KypTke 21 June 2013 22: 02
        +1
        Well, nice drinks , still to find out how much he will fly in this mode.
        1. VAF
          VAF 21 June 2013 22: 25
          +4
          Quote: B_KypTke
          still to know how much he will fly in this mode.


          I will not say, but then Avenger711 (belebeletnik fucking, I saw the army in pictures and in the movies, but the sting cuts in all areas - "expert" your division .. into a swing)! he will go crazy .. because the poor and unfortunate will have to dig it all ... wassat

          Well, with you, to sweep .. next to TsAGI ... I won’t take it .... I feel like ... didn’t go out! fool
          1. smile
            smile 21 June 2013 23: 11
            +1
            VAF
            Greetings!
            :))) What, did the Avenger finish? :)))) Are you afraid to give a broom in your hands? - I immediately remembered that the coolest troops we had were building — they did not even give out weapons. :))))
            1. VAF
              VAF 21 June 2013 23: 46
              +3
              Quote: smile
              What did the Avenger finish?


              Greetings! +! drinks "Done"? This is not the right word belay I thought at first .. the child was unreasonable, well, like from House -2, and when I found out that ONE is a white-ticket and in the army "extreme" time .. never .. that .. actually .... u ... ate !! !

              And where is IT hiding then ???

              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 22 June 2013 00: 39
                +1
                Uh, all I think is the lady in the photo. But the collage is not bad. repeat
              2. smile
                smile 22 June 2013 02: 03
                +1
                VAF
                Agree, you showed an excessively dangerous woman in the picture :)) and the avenger is a natural child, though shady, - you don’t beat him, well, laugh a little if he doesn’t come out at the right time ... and so, pay attention to him, it's like thatch into the fire! He is just waiting for it. I would have treated him well if the boy had not been rude .... and so ...
          2. TSOOBER
            TSOOBER 21 June 2013 23: 12
            +2
            if you take anything with you, I've never been there! drinks I know how to sweep-stupid and executive fool
            1. VAF
              VAF 21 June 2013 23: 49
              +2
              Quote: TSOOBER
              if you take anything with you, I've never been there!


              Well, if only .. on a tour! drinks

              Quote: TSOOBER
              I know how to sweep-stupid and executive


              Humor cast a spell !!! good drinks

              1. TSOOBER
                TSOOBER 22 June 2013 00: 08
                +1
                is this not a montage? wassat
                1. VAF
                  VAF 22 June 2013 00: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: TSOOBER
                  is this not a montage?


                  No, Igor, 100% in kind !!! wink There is still the same picture from the Tornado, though without a spotter, but ... the dog doesn’t get stuck ... because of new changes in the site’s program request

                  1. TSOOBER
                    TSOOBER 22 June 2013 00: 31
                    +1
                    one wrong move ... At the very hands sweating belay
  14. Alikovo
    Alikovo 21 June 2013 20: 56
    0
    the main thing is not to tighten the supply.
  15. krez-74
    krez-74 21 June 2013 21: 24
    +2
    Article a thousand pluses!
  16. Alexander D.
    Alexander D. 21 June 2013 22: 59
    +1
    The development of the 5th generation aircraft based on the Su is certainly cool. Only, apparently, soon only this design bureau will produce mass-produced combat fighters - although they wrote about MiG contracts, but in fact nothing is heard about the supplies and the progress of the work. This is to say that the MiG Design Bureau was the first in the USSR to create a 4th generation aircraft, the first to create a multi-functional 4+ generation fighter. And after all this, such a fate is to live in the backyards of the aircraft industry.
    1. vBR
      vBR 22 June 2013 15: 28
      0
      It was dispersed in the course of one of the many operations to eliminate competitors, which took place in the 90s and 00s and still have "Sukhovtsy" managers. I am writing in quotation marks, because they have nothing to do with P.O. Sukhoi himself, or have nothing to do with the creation of technology, or are not so direct. But it so happened that they came from the Sukhoi Design Bureau, had the best connections with the authorities in the post-Soviet period. Ksati, through their own efforts, the program of testing and refinement of the first fifth generation fighter (lighter class), which was made by MiGs (in the 90th), was closed. So this is not just fate and system-wide devastation, but the result of the efforts of specific people in the industry. It may be possible to fix something, but the potential of the MiG is undermined critically
  17. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 22 June 2013 00: 35
    0
    And which of the experts will explain where the T-50 has the so-called S-shaped channel and why is its engine visible through the air intake? Or is it just the Americans are so perverted ?? ...
    ... Damn, I can’t attach the picture ...
    http://funkyimg.com/u2/2028/455/6201946477e9f18c63.jpg
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 22 June 2013 00: 41
      +1
      Photo please ... By the way, where did the firewood come from, in the sense of such a photo?
    2. VAF
      VAF 22 June 2013 14: 25
      +2
      Quote: sergey158-29
      where the T-50 has the so-called S-shaped channel


      Our namesake, our T-50 never had the S-th air intake, it is only on the F-22 and on the Typhoon, as a result of which they are not adjustable, so the speed limits are much lower than ours! wink +! drinks



      And our question of "stealth" is decided differently by R&D "135" and "137", ie. blockers and nozzle bully
    3. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 22 June 2013 15: 32
      0
      Quote: sergey158-29
      where is the T-50 the so-called S-shaped channel and why is its engine visible through the air intake?
      Perhaps we have resolved this matter differently. For example, the front blades of Tu-160 engines have a special coating + reflect on the walls of the duct, which in turn are made of absorbing materials.
      And as already mentioned here, unlike the F-22, we have adjustable air ducts on the T-50, which increases the maximum speed.
  18. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 22 June 2013 01: 16
    +2
    Vaf! Good evening. As a "waterfowl" I am interested in the question: will the fleet get anything or not? And the second thing. If they made engines of this level, then maybe something will be fitted to verticals, or everything died along with the sale of the Yak-141 to amers? The Yankees made their own F-35. How about us?
    1. VAF
      VAF 22 June 2013 14: 30
      +1
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Interested in the question: will anything fall to the fleet or not? And the second one. If you made engines of this level, then maybe something will fit on the vertical lines, or did everything die with the sale of the Yak-141 to amers? The Yankees made their F-35. How about us?


      And I categorically + you! drinks The truth is to say only .. Good afternoon! fellow

      I'll start in the order of your questions:

      1. From the deck, only MiG-29K / KUB, although the Su-33 is now installed on KnAZ under the program of "in-depth modernization" (there are plans, but what will happen next) ... First of all, you need a SHIP !!!

      2. About the objection of MPA .... it's all at the level so far only of rumors and hopes!

      3. At the moment, the topic of verticals is closed for us!
  19. ed65b
    ed65b 22 June 2013 14: 10
    +1
    Here is the blue dream of the Chinese brothers, how to peep? Eh. laughing
  20. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 22 June 2013 15: 00
    +2
    Dear colleagues, take a break from the discussion for a minute, see this beauty ...
  21. Tao
    Tao 22 June 2013 18: 52
    0
    This bird looks great and even seems to fly. Another thing is interesting - what kind of weapons it will have, radar, and the final engine, or rather, speed, fuel consumption and the cost of general maintenance. IMHO, the more aviation there is, the more the West will piss :)
  22. Daduda
    Daduda 22 June 2013 19: 34
    0
    Why are the engines open on the plane? Isn't leather needed there?