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Between the Chinese lion and NATO crocodile

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He promised to write a continuation of the article. about the Chinese soldier in the "Chinese" land, I write ... But first - a few words about your feedback. First of all, it was very nice to see that there are so many of them. 209 people expressed their opinion - any “paperwork” (in our modern case, “internet spacemaraku”) will appreciate that. This is the first ...


Between the Chinese lion and NATO crocodile


And secondly, comrades (I hope no one will send me to the Tambov wolf, well, gentlemen - this is in Paris or on the ruble, or, say, in Beverly Hills, I have no slaves, therefore - in the Lord I do not sword)! So, comrades, I am ready to treat any review, any point of view with respect. I can be in something and wrong, damn it, not God! But, let us, and you will respect not yours, a different opinion, but not to insult you, as long stupid bursts, when the enemy is still far away, and aimed fire is much more useful. I appeal to those who called the article provocative, writing down almost to the traitors to the Motherland, and to those who called me “a silly woman”. And you, who hang such labels, are probably very smart? As for the “provocateur,” the loudest “Hold the thief!” Screams the thief ... Well, that's enough, enough with you. And without that - a whole paragraph, is it a lot of honor ?!

Let's get down to business. By the way, judging by the comments of the readers, nobody read about Munchhausen. Well, well, I understand: service (or work), family, children, etc. Therefore, I remind myself. The famous liar has such a tale, where he (the baron) falls on the island of Ceylon (in those years - the English colony), and with the son of the Ceylon governor goes hunting. Soon he lost sight of his companion and got lost. And then I ran into a lion. The gun of our “hunter” is charged only with a small fraction, i.e. obviously not save. He takes off running and stumbles upon ... A huge crocodile with its mouth wide open. Here is a quote: “What to do? What to do? There is a lion behind, a crocodile in front, a lake on the left, a swamp teeming with poisonous snakes on the right. ” And here we stop. Does the picture remind you of anything?

Yes, this is today's position of Russia! Ahead (and usually our country fought the front to the west) - the voracious NATO crocodile, from behind - the young, but already knowing the value of, Chinese lion. Then simply swapped "swamp" with the "lake". Our “lake” on the right (if you are facing west) is the Arctic Ocean, and the “swamp” on the left is the southernmost countries where they live (how to put it so that the article is not removed from the site? ..) “mountain eagles” (when there are a lot of them) or just guys, “with hot, listen, with blood”. Well, why not a swamp with snakes?

We still have to once again turn to those who "threw thunder and lightning into me." And who ever told you that I called for hating China or was talking about an immediate war with him ?! Now it is you, pouring slop, take a look at the drawn picture. Which of the following animals is the least disgusting? - Obviously because the lion. A sort of king of beasts with a luxurious mane is much nicer than a stinking swamp lizard or snake.

Returning to Munchhausen ... What did he do? - Yes, in horror fell to the grass. And the lion was already in a jump and, flying over the lying baron, landed ... Into the crocodile's mouth! It doesn't matter what the "brave hunter" did next (although, if you wish, read). It is important for us that in our case about the same thing happens. With a few differences. For example, in horror fall on the grass and wait for their fate is not exactly in the tradition of the grandsons of Suvorov, children of Chapaev! And in that it is the “crocodile” that swallows the head of the “lion” (hereinafter, for simplicity I will write without quotes), we are not interested either.

But to push the foreheads of the lion and the crocodile will be not only a beautiful reception of our fight, but also the best way out for Russia from this situation! Immediately make a reservation, suppose that at the head of our great country is at least a no less great leadership, which all of the above not only understands, but also acts in this way. Second, we will push together, inciting not to war, but to confrontation. In this very confrontation (or, if you will, the ongoing "cold" war) we will try to put the lion and the crocodile opposite each other in the struggle for the possession of certain benefits of Mother Earth (more precisely, water, but this, looking ahead). Moreover, we Russians will not remain indifferent. We will be able (without exhausting ourselves and the country) to help the Chinese lion not to break with his teeth, so with his paws with heavy claws to press a nasty western lizard to the ground. With our competent participation, the country will not only win, exhausted both NATO and China, but will also be able to earn.

In fact, in the recent past there were several cases when, taking over the side of China in international disputes, Russia could get an excellent result. At the same time, using only one "weapon"- their diplomats! Here is one case. In 1999, during a NATO attack on our ally Yugoslavia, one of the American bombs hit the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. It was necessary by all means, taking air into the lungs, to raise an incredible howl, supporting the Chinese in their perfectly fair indignation. Did not do! And could it be otherwise, if then at the head of Russia stood the traitor to the Motherland and the bloody executioner of the Russian people, Yeltsin ?! Alas, the time is gone. It will not work this way, but we'll also talk about the war of diplomacy ...
As the main field of confrontation between the lion and the crocodile, I propose to consider our lake, i.e. Arctic Ocean. And more precisely - our Northern Sea Route! This is what “Rossiyskaya Gazeta” wrote from 31 in May 2013 of the year: “This summer for the first time commercial cargo will be delivered from Russia to China along the Northern Sea Route. The first cargo will be on the route Tyumen - the Russian port of Sabetta - the seaport of China.

The loading of the Northern Sea Route and the intensive development of this transport corridor in the direction of the Asia-Pacific region open up new opportunities for Russia and China to further joint development of the subarctic territories ... ” After reading this, I was amazed (in a good way). In the end, the Russian authorities remembered the existence of wealth bestowed on our country by its very location!

The Northern Sea Route is not oil, not gas, not ore ... Subsoil will sooner or later be exhausted, but the coast of the Arctic Ocean will always remain with us! It is not by chance that some of the Northern Sea Route were even dubbed “the Great Silk Road of the 21st Century”. After all, it is the shortest sea route from Asia to Europe and vice versa. In addition, throughout its length it goes along the territory of Russia, and this is safety. No Somali pirates here are impossible by definition.
However, my delight in a few seconds was replaced by sadness. Under the current government, this is our undoubtedly gold (if not diamond) vein will not be used to the full extent. Bureaucracy, bribery, red tape at every step will not allow to derive possible benefits. I do not stutter that a penny from the billions received will not reach the people.

But let's suppose that all corrupt officials (we will not go over the first and last names, so as not to go into the jungle) were overnight at the logging site, in the mines, and at the same works to restore ALL the ports of the Northern Sea Route - i.e. where these nonhumans and place! And the new leaders of disintegration (like Stalin) recalled that the PRC had long been interested in the possibility of transporting goods by sea from east to west through the Russian North. No wonder they outfitted as many as five Arctic expeditions, even sent an icebreaker that passed from the coast of the Far East and Siberia to the Barents Sea.

Well, why not to offer China, in the difficult task of organizing sea caravans marching along the Northern Sea Route, our full assistance? And since, in an amicable way, this path has not been used for a long time, then we must take a step forward in the form of a very serious discount on using the services of the same ports for the next, well, let's say 5 years. But it is possible and even thinner to do: to conclude a contract providing for a certain prepayment (this amount we will be able to start to restore ports) for using the Northern route, and ride, comrades Chinese, during the same 5 years, not knowing grief.

However, we must immediately specify a number of very harsh conditions. Well, first of all, prepayment is just a prepayment, not a loan, there won't be any interest here, just as if the rent for your living space was paid on 5 years ahead. Secondly, the entire restoration of the Northern Sea Route structure should be carried out exclusively by the hands of Russian citizens - no Chinese workers or engineers! And it is better to carry goods by Russian vessels (it’s not so strict, but at least mostly). And thirdly, there is no military presence of China in the Arctic Ocean, if the ships are only civilian.

What, too cool ?! Do you think they will not accept such conditions, refuse our services? - And no! Too profitable for them. The only thing to remember is that we will have to prove that we can ensure the smooth operation of the Northern Sea Route during navigation. But we imagined that in Russia the power was again turned, facing its people. I understand, I describe semi-fantastic things ... Well, why not dream?

In general, the benefits of such cooperation are very obvious. But not she - the main thing. The main thing is that NATO has long been eyeing our Russian waters in the Arctic Ocean. Both the USA and Norway, and even Denmark (Greenland is still their “patrimony”, so on this basis even the Danes declared themselves an “Arctic” power). And here you are! - Russia has found a common language with China in the use of the Northern Sea Route. What a bad luck! Moreover, the Chinese will be vitally interested in this cooperation. Therefore, in the event of any arctic disputes with NATO, it will be possible for them (the Chinese) to hint unequivocally that our interests in the Russian North are now their interests too. Like, you want to continue to use the shipping artery on special conditions - support the voice of our diplomats!

It turns out that the young lion will show teeth to an aging crocodile. But in fact, all my calculations about cooperation in the Arctic, ultimately, directed against NATO is just one example of how to make a possible adversary a reliable ally. Why not agree on such services for the transport of goods, but using our land gold vein - the Trans-Siberian Railway. And again - to the full extent! So that something, and the railway in Russia is still quite reliable. The result in the transport sector can (and we should strive for this) should become so - Russia's monopoly on the transportation of goods from China to Europe. And again, it is possible! Perhaps due to the very location of Russia. It so happened that through us the shortest path from east to west. Here you and one more field for confrontation - many European and American transport companies can go from such a deal around the world. Will they like it? - Hardly. Intrigues and intrigues will begin against Russia. And we will again remind the Chinese of the obvious benefits that they can lose if they don’t help us in time.

And in all the rest, where Russian-Chinese interaction will be assumed, one can complain at any opportunity to the enemy’s intrigues of the ugly West (which, in fact, is not far from the truth). And hate the lion of a crocodile more than ever. After two or three such cases of intersection of interests, it is already possible to apply diplomacy in full force. Directly say: "Comrades Chinese! You are not even fed up with the unipolar world ?! ”And afterwards come up with a new proposal:“ Let's join the efforts of our diplomats to oppose NATO in the event of ANY armed clashes, where “Uncle Sam” wants to get. That's just ... The position of Russia is known to all. And what if you try it like this: first you will rush at them with a harsh condemnation of their actions, and we will support it, will it go? ”

After reading these lines, who condemned my previous article, they will probably say (with a twist of a finger at his temple): “Well, I’d completely moved my mind! He wrote something about the threat, and in the second part he almost proposes to be friends! ”“ Do not hurry. Exactly, I wrote about the threat and about the concessions of our Russian land, which CANNOT have been done IN ANY CASE. And who said that the threat can be nullified only by “saber-rattling”? Why not just take it aside? .. In the right direction. So that the lion in his jump jumped us without hitting, and we also helped him, inspiring this jump.

And finally. But gunpowder should still be kept dry and with money obtained, including from cooperation with the eastern neighbor-lion, to strengthen the country's defense capability in the west and in the east. By defense, I ask you to understand not only the actual number of troops and the quality of weapons, but also the population of our state. In the first place - Siberia and the Far East.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 13 June 2013 08: 26 New
    +9
    "and even Denmark (Greenland is still their" fiefdom ", on this basis even the Danes declared themselves an" Arctic "power)."

    In general, I wonder how this shabby Denmark, when all the metropolises were actively losing their colonies, Greenland kept.
    1. Russian
      Russian 13 June 2013 09: 44 New
      14
      Competent article! Our guide would read it, because the benefits of the proposed options are simply undeniable. It would be time for others to fight already, and it seems that not a single generation in the world has lived, and all the benefits gained by sweat and blood have been lost.
    2. Very old
      Very old 13 June 2013 09: 52 New
      +2
      Let it be known to you - Denmark is the only metropolis that feeds its colony. Paradox, isn't it? D. would be glad of Gr. get rid, but Greenland cannot survive without it. Yes, and the States will not allow, NATO territories are still not the Yankees want to pay for everything
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 13 June 2013 09: 57 New
        11
        Quote: Very old
        Let it be known to you - Denmark is the only metropolis that feeds its colony.

        The population of Greenland is about 60 thousand people, a heavy burden, is not it?
        Quote: Very old
        Yes, and the States will not allow, NATO territories are still not the Yankees want to pay for everything

        I don’t even want to comment on this.
    3. Gooch
      Gooch 13 June 2013 10: 10 New
      -1
      Quote: Vladimirets
      In general, I wonder how this shabby Denmark, when all the metropolises were actively losing their colonies, Greenland kept.

      They smiled about the screeched Denmark, it is Greenland that should rather cling to the alliance with Denmark, and not vice versa, that I didn’t hear that the inhabitants of Greenland self-immolate or conduct partisan measures against the Danes, maybe their own Lenin, Gandhi or Chegevara appeared there? The leader of the penguins, reindeer, the ruler of the Seals, the lord of the Polar Bears or the Lord of the walruses, demanding independence from the Danes?
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 13 June 2013 10: 42 New
        +5
        Quote: Gooch
        They smiled about the screeched Denmark, it is Greenland that should rather cling to the alliance with Denmark, and not vice versa, that I didn’t hear that the inhabitants of Greenland self-immolate or conduct partisan measures against the Danes, maybe their own Lenin, Gandhi or Chegevara appeared there?

        The colonial status of Greenland was abolished in 1953, when it became an integral part of the Kingdom of Denmark and received representation in the Folketing - Danish Parliament. Denmark has also launched a program for the distribution of health care and education to Greenlanders. In order to facilitate this, the population began to concentrate more and more in large settlements. Since the vast majority of locals were fishermen and hunters who had difficulty finding work in the city, the concentration of the population led to increased unemployment and other social problems that Greenland is still trying to overcome.
        When Denmark later began co-operation within the framework of the future European Union, the differences between the former metropolis and the colony grew even more. Greenlanders believed that the European Customs Union would interfere with their trade, which was carried out mainly with non-European countries - the United States and Canada. When Denmark, together with Greenland, entered into an alliance (despite the fact that 70,3% of Greenlanders spoke out against the referendum), many of the local residents began to feel that representation in Copenhagen was insufficient, and local parties launched a campaign for internal self-government. The autonomy of Greenland was ratified by Folketing in 1978 and entered into force the following year. February 23, 1982, 53% of Greenlanders voted in favor of secession from the European Union, which took place in 1985 [11].
        Autonomous Greenland proclaimed itself a state of the Inuit people. Danish place names have been changed to local. The country became known as Kalaallit Nunaat. The administrative center of the island, Gothob, became Nuuk, the capital of an almost sovereign country, and in 1985 the Greenland flag was adopted. However, the island’s independence movement is still weak.
        External relations, which for a long time have been the prerogative of Denmark, are now mainly run by the autonomy government. After leaving the European Union, the Greenland government signed a special agreement with it, and also entered into a number of smaller regional organizations, established close relations with Iceland, the Faroe Islands, as well as with the Eskimo population of Canada and Russia. Greenland was also one of the founding states of the Arctic Council in 1996. On the agenda is a revision of the provisions of the Danish-American agreement of 1951 with the involvement of autonomous Greenland as an equal party. Greenland considers it expedient to turn the Thule airbase into an international monitoring and satellite communications station under the control of the United Nations [12].
        Thanks to the progress of the latest technologies, especially the development of aviation, Greenland has now become much more accessible to the outside world. In 1982, broadcasts of local television began.
        In 2008, a referendum was held in Greenland on the issue of self-government, following which May 20, 2009, the Danish Parliament passed a law on the extended autonomy of Greenland [13]. The extended autonomy of Greenland was proclaimed on June 21 of that year [14]. Both inside and outside Greenland, there are people who see the expansion of autonomy as a step towards Greenland’s independence from Denmark [15].

        This is from Wiki.
        1. Gooch
          Gooch 13 June 2013 10: 59 New
          0
          Quote: Vladimirets
          The country became known as Kalaallit Nunaat. The administrative center of the island, Gothob, became Nuuk, the capital almost sovereign country, and in 1985 the Greenland flag was adopted. However, the island’s independence movement still remains weak.

          In fact, autonomy will not change anything, before striving for "freedom", you need to understand whether it is needed, if everything is already covered.
    4. DimYang
      DimYang 13 June 2013 12: 13 New
      0
      Everything is very simple . They got it in this. It’s easy to guess who.
    5. chaushevski
      chaushevski 13 June 2013 12: 35 New
      -17
      geopolitics textbook in your ass. etozh north to whom he surrendered nothing but ice (only here in the ice there are also resses that we did not think about before)
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 13 June 2013 12: 39 New
        +9
        Quote: chaushevski
        geopolitics textbook in your ass.

        Brains in your head.
      2. DimYang
        DimYang 13 June 2013 22: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: chaushevski
        geopolitics textbook in your ass. etozh north to whom he surrendered nothing but ice (only here in the ice there are also resses that we did not think about before)


        At the bottom of the comrade, they explained in detail why GREENLAND is attractive. The name is not casual. Pay attention.
    6. leon-iv
      leon-iv 13 June 2013 13: 38 New
      +2
      when all the metropolises were actively losing their colonies, Greenland kept it.

      There is ice so far. Soon he will leave, then no one will ask Denmark.
      1. postman
        postman 14 June 2013 03: 30 New
        0
        Quote: leon-iv
        There is ice so far.

        No, this was in anthropogenic time.
        No wonder Greenlandia- Green country
        In the summer months, air temperature rarely warms above plus 20 degrees, although the maximum records were recorded in September 2010 - +25 degrees, and in July 1990 - up to +26.
        Sites of ice-free land stretch in the form of a continuous strip along the coast of the island, reaching in places 200–250 km wide. Ice-free territory approximately 15% of the total area of ​​Greenlandmainly in the southwest the islands
        / 15% of 2 130 800 km sq. Is quite enough for 60000 people /
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 14 June 2013 03: 39 New
          0
          I read that the Vikings-settlers there grew grapes
    7. Dim1
      Dim1 13 June 2013 13: 45 New
      +1
      there was no one there to fight for independence, seagulls and other cormorants have no voting rights yet
    8. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 13 June 2013 14: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "and even Denmark (Greenland is still their" fiefdom ", on this basis even the Danes declared themselves an" Arctic "power)."

      In general, I wonder how this shabby Denmark, when all the metropolises were actively losing their colonies, Greenland kept.


      And no one wanted to take it and kept it. It was believed that this piece of ice has no prospects. Actually it is, except as a jump airfield ...
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 13 June 2013 18: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Geisenberg
        It was believed that this piece of ice has no prospects. Actually it is

        Greenland, island area - 2 km².
        Russia -17 km²
        China-9 596 960 [5] km²
        Australia-7 692 km²
        And there is Anatrctida-14 107 km²
        Do you still think that there is nothing besides ice?
        How does Greenland differ in summer from lands washed by the Laptev, Kara and East Siberian seas?

        In the photo Greenland.
        It is on Internet maps for "greater impudence" these lands are painted exclusively in white. In reality, everything is a little different.

        Like this.
        For better comparison, the bottom photo from Taimyr.

        You are welcome to seek differences. soldier
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 13 June 2013 18: 37 New
          +2
          And by the way, and Antarctica in the summer.
    9. postman
      postman 14 June 2013 03: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      like this shabby Denmark, when all the metropolises were actively losing their colonies, Greenland kept it.

      Not Denmark but de facto USA.
      without Greenland for NATO
      - the GISH line is meaningless
      -system "OL-5", how without it?
      The Kamp-Tuto warehouse complex is the largest intercontinental missile base in the Arctic. how without it?

      [i] In April 1940, after the occupation of Denmark by fascist Germany, the US government announced the extension of the Monroe doctrine to G. On April 9, 1941, the Danish envoy in Washington signed the so-called American government. the defense agreement of G. (ratified by the Danish Rigdsdag on May 16, 1945). The USA began to create military bases on G. After Denmark joined NATO (April 4, 1949), a new agreement was signed between the Danish and American governments on April 27, 1951, according to which Denmark and the United States jointly defend the island [/ i]
      in 1952, the Pentagon spent about $ 1 billion on the construction of a base in Tula

      + Greenland's economic development program: investment of DKK 4 billion in 10 years
      + by 52000 native = 10000-15000 Americans ....

      [i] Danish geographer J. Humlum once noted that some areas of Greenland actually run by Americans, not Danes. [/I]
      and Greenland is not a colony of DK- but an administrative unit
  2. Orel
    Orel 13 June 2013 08: 46 New
    +2
    If you do not regularly expose the scarecrow of the "Chinese threat" in front of us, then something similar is possible, the author of this article says, and will happen. In the meantime, it turns out that we are being pushed into confrontation of all against all, we are against Europe, against the United States, against China.
    1. Very old
      Very old 13 June 2013 09: 55 New
      +1
      Orel, they are all against Russia
    2. teodorh
      teodorh 13 June 2013 13: 04 New
      0
      Japan forgot
  3. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 13 June 2013 08: 49 New
    +3
    The fact of the matter is that it is precisely the uncertain policy of Russia that the stumbling block to everything. Today its essence is: yours, ours, or you can do it this way: neither yours. neither ours. When politicians try to flirt with both of them, many people are delighted, they say what a great job, they know how to maneuver as they say. Only in my opinion it is popularly called differently. As a result, you can get the third option, when China comes to terms with NATO and Russia remains alone. What will be further clear to everyone.
    1. MG42
      MG42 13 June 2013 12: 05 New
      +5
      Quote: vladsolo56
      The fact of the matter is that it is precisely the uncertain policy of Russia that the stumbling block to everything. Today its essence is: yours, ours, or you can do it this way: neither yours. nor ours

      It somehow strangely reminds Ukraine, with a policy of sitting on 2 chairs .. winked
      Quote: vladsolo56
      As a result, you can get the third option, when China comes to terms with NATO and Russia remains alone. What will be further clear to everyone.

      The conflict between China and NATO can only be considered if the United States is drawn into Japan or South Korea, but the United States and China have a lot of mutual investments, in addition, China has many reserves of gold reserves, more than a trillion, it will not want to lose it, high-ranking US military often China and take part in exercises ..
      Russia itself is arming China with new weapons, the Chinese copy it successfully, dismantling it to a screw, >> and the principle of "Russian and Chinese = brothers forever", the conflict on about. Damansky showed at one time that this is not entirely true ..
      China is the second importer of Russian weapons after India.
      DPRK's ally with a young leader can easily be drawn into.
    2. optimist
      optimist 13 June 2013 15: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: vladsolo56
      As a result, you can get the third option, when China comes to terms with NATO and Russia remains alone. What will be further clear to everyone.

      You are absolutely right, and it will happen in the end. Or they will be confronted with China, as in 1941 with Hitler. Throughout its history, unfortunately, Russia has never been "Munchausen", but was "hands" that for others "chestnuts" were dragged from the fire. Personally, I am sure that the current leadership of Russia is doing absolutely everything to drive the country even deeper into ... These are national, demographic, migration, industrial and many other "policies." And the current "revival" of the army is aimed not at protecting the interests of the country, but at protecting a group of specific individuals. Nobody wants the fate of Saddam and Gaddafi ...
      1. nevopros
        nevopros 13 June 2013 21: 06 New
        +2
        Populism, no more. Especially about the army smiled negative I also needed to add the type "and I will not fight for the Abramovich."
  4. fenix57
    fenix57 13 June 2013 09: 11 New
    +1
    "... to knock a lion and a crocodile between their heads will not only be a beautiful technique for our fight, but also the best way for Russia to get out of this situation !!is a good idea, only lions are hunting with prides more and more ... As if later they would not want to "fight" with the Bear. hi
    1. MG42
      MG42 14 June 2013 04: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: fenix57
      practical thought, only lions hunt more and more with prides

      hunt more lionesses, then LEO and the king of animals if in the pride, but in the photo there are lionesses ..
      as for the tiger versus the crocodile, that is, the video the tiger won the one on one battle ..
  5. svskor80
    svskor80 13 June 2013 09: 14 New
    +4
    China will definitely have a confrontation with the USA and West Europe (first economic then military-political). And Russia can and will need to extract political and financial points from this. And do not shout that we are scavengers, it’s just time to give all the Russians to live with dignity and not look back, but what will they say there for distant lands.
    1. DimYang
      DimYang 13 June 2013 12: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: svskor80
      what will they say there for distant lands.

      In order for this to happen, it is necessary that the country's leadership be its own and not someone else's. Http://www.klich.ru/2013/06/articles06_01.htm
      1. alexs3524
        alexs3524 13 June 2013 13: 34 New
        +1
        what it is
        1. True
          True 13 June 2013 14: 48 New
          +1
          Suppose there was child pornography. Well ... you get the point wink
          1. DimYang
            DimYang 13 June 2013 21: 51 New
            +1
            Judeans, to which GOOGLE also belongs with its engine installed on various browsers, is blocking this site, but you are not Jews. You can look further. When you look, you will understand why this is happening. (If you do not know about Jewish or Jewish, who is more comfortable to understand, look in Dahl's dictionary to "google" it means to DECEIVE, swear, etc.) I hope you know who owns this company.
  6. Ataman
    Ataman 13 June 2013 09: 27 New
    +7
    After reading these lines, condemning my previous article, they will probably say (turning a finger at the temple): “Well, I’ve completely set off! He wrote about the threat, but in the second part he offers to make friends almost ?! ”

    fool
    Modern lions and crocodiles do not jump at each other, but fight for the right to be the first to bite off a piece of oil and gas-bearing Munchausen. Let’s, nevertheless, remain a Russian bear. wink
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    2. nerd.su
      nerd.su 13 June 2013 09: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Ataman
      Let’s, nevertheless, remain a Russian bear.

      Yes, the main thing is not to stay awake! smile
  7. keeper
    keeper 13 June 2013 09: 33 New
    +3
    The President, I think, understands and realizes all this. The problem is that our entire elite is not national, and Putin is powerless against all of them. Replace it with those that the author speaks of without mass rallies and active protest of the people is not possible. We need to break the system and our colonial dependence. I am sure that if the people support street-by-street, peaceful, but most importantly massive (millions across the country) protests by our leader in cleaning up all this vile gang, we would get a national elite serving the interests of the country. Most importantly, we will continue to be truly independent at all levels.
    1. DimYang
      DimYang 13 June 2013 12: 17 New
      +1
      Only the oprichnina will save Russia.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 13 June 2013 13: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: dimyan
        Only the oprichnina will save Russia.


        I agree, there will only be difficulties with the personnel.
    2. nevopros
      nevopros 13 June 2013 21: 16 New
      0
      I disagree. Our "friends from the Thames" have thousands of years of experience in staging the people they need in 17th century. NO rallies and demonstrations. It is necessary to fully familiarize yourself with the interests of the same SPS and Yabloko and their passion / discredit. Take away the emotional connotation for a while and try on the "position of interests".
      1. DimYang
        DimYang 13 June 2013 22: 06 New
        0
        No emotion. Only awareness of existing reality.
      2. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 13 June 2013 22: 41 New
        0
        Quote: nevopros
        I disagree. Our "friends from the Thames" have thousands of years of experience in staging the people they need in the 17th century.


        Throughout their history, guys and women with a cold head, warm hearts and clean hands had "friends from the Thames" - as they wanted, about the "Persian Soviet Socialist Republic" in the know?

        Quote: nevopros
        as in 17m


  8. pinecone
    pinecone 13 June 2013 09: 34 New
    +4
    The Chinese lion is far from young, he just slept for a long time, and now he has woken up and really wants to eat.
    By the way, the Chinese themselves identify their country not with a lion, but with a dragon. Perhaps the beast will be more terrible. There is already George the Victorious must be called.
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger 13 June 2013 15: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: pinecone
      There is already George the Victorious must be called.

      In terms of George Konstantinich, the fact that the commander, four times the hero of the Soviet Union, one of the active builders of the Armed Forces.
      Or Pobedonostsev Konstantin Petrovich, a Russian reactionary statesman, lawyer, Chief Prosecutor of the Synod, mentor Alexander III, by the way.

      Zhukov

      victorious


      Yes! There were people in "our time".
      Not like the current "tribe". ... ...
      (C)

      Without such people in the government, it is not for the "Russian bear" to perform "ballet exercissus" in front of a lion and a crocodile, but to keep the legs, liver and gallbladder from the Chinese-American "transplantologists". ... ...
      1. nevopros
        nevopros 13 June 2013 21: 19 New
        0
        The latter, by the way, is a conductor of the overseas interests of our old "friend" (again, it's still a version).
  9. pakfa-t-50
    pakfa-t-50 13 June 2013 09: 35 New
    0
    And we awake to compare Russia with BEAR chtoli?
    1. MG42
      MG42 13 June 2013 13: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: pakfa-t-50
      And we awake to compare Russia with BEAR chtoli?

      theme demotivator
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 13 June 2013 15: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: MG42
        theme demotivator
        wassat
        1. MG42
          MG42 13 June 2013 15: 57 New
          +4
          Karlsonn, class! laughing drinks
          here's another
  10. Smersh
    Smersh 13 June 2013 09: 40 New
    0
    we will need to capitalize on this, as the United States gained in World War II
  11. andrei332809
    andrei332809 13 June 2013 09: 43 New
    -4
    fun. thanks! once again convinced that We (Russia) are the navel of the Earth. as well as honor and conscience. keep quiet about the mind ...
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger 13 June 2013 15: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: andrei332809
      We (Russia) are the navel of the Earth.

      And also "valuable fur" and 30-40% "dietary high-calorie fat". And in order to preserve all this "good" (around the "navel"), nails, fangs and a head filled with "gray matter" are needed, focused on a constant search for ways to competently manipulate these parts of the body, and not just the stomach, intestinal tract and * opoy. ... ...
  12. omsbon
    omsbon 13 June 2013 09: 48 New
    +5
    I will repeat 101 times. Russia's policy should be Pragmatic, thoughtful and calculated for years to come.
    It’s high time to come to grips with the development of the Northern Sea Route, especially since the development of the Arctic shelf is not far off.
  13. Grbear
    Grbear 13 June 2013 09: 54 New
    +4
    I have already said that there can be no concept of "Friend" in international politics. Partner-Rival. The challenge for politicians: activate a partner in order to pinch an opponent. There are many ways. From "dirty" - financing with "empty" money of any destructive against a rival (USA), to "normal" - the creation of long-term economic relations, when partners will have something to lose in the event of a "divorce". For Russia, the second option is not only acceptable, but also more consistent with the Russian understanding of the foundations of coexistence.

    Continuing the tales - Russia should be that bear from the fairy tale of K. Chukovsky about the crocodile and the sun. If only there was enough oil in the head of that bear.
  14. Egevich
    Egevich 13 June 2013 10: 52 New
    0
    Quote: GrBear
    I have already said that there can be no concept of "Friend" in international politics. Partner-Rival. The challenge for politicians: activate a partner in order to pinch an opponent. There are many ways. From "dirty" - financing with "empty" money of any destructive against a rival (USA), to "normal" - the creation of long-term economic relations, when partners will have something to lose in the event of a "divorce". For Russia, the second option is not only acceptable, but also more consistent with the Russian understanding of the foundations of coexistence.

    Continuing the tales - Russia should be that bear from the fairy tale of K. Chukovsky about the crocodile and the sun. If only there was enough oil in the head of that bear.


    Yes, here's your lie ... in the history of countries and peoples there are many examples of friendship specifically ... and when it is changed to a piece of something, that’s meanness comes out ...
  15. Per se.
    Per se. 13 June 2013 10: 53 New
    +6
    "And who said that the threat can be brought to naught only by" rattling the weapon "? Why not just take it aside? .. In the right direction. So that the lion jumped over us in its jump without hitting, and we still and helped, inspiring this jump. "- Is it worth it to be like the liar Munhausen, hoping that the lion will jump into the crocodile's mouth by itself? Or, on evil, the impudent Yankees destroy the unipolar world, creating a new pole of power near their borders, generously donating military technology to China, helping it to become a superpower with its raw materials? China fought because of border claims not only with the USSR in 1969, but, before that with India in 1962, with Vietnam in 1988. China squeezed Macau from Portugal (1987) and Britain from Hong Kong (1997). We donated 2005 square kilometers of our territory to the Chinese in 337 (including Damansky, which was watered in 1969 with the blood of our border guards). Wise "demarcation" to remove Chinese concerns! China has territorial claims to all its neighbors, including Japan. China's army is nearly 2,5 million, with mobilization up to 60 million. The longest land border we have is the border with China. How long you can be fools, the Chinese are smiling, they agree to make concessions for them to "be friends" for now, but what the hell they give up, sacrifice something in their interests. We were already friends like this, to the evil of England and France, with Hitler ... Yes, and China is not a lion here, but a crocodile, always hungry and able to wait.
    1. nmd_1
      nmd_1 13 June 2013 11: 45 New
      +3
      Taiwan why not shade ???? What the bullshit and the Indians did not grab, but should, we still need to decorate Southeast Asia, otherwise it somehow wakes up a bit.
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger 13 June 2013 15: 46 New
        0
        Quote: nmd_1
        otherwise it’s a little awake.

        And so it’s okИt? fellow hi tongue

        By the way. 3/4 SevMorPuti also "entered" into the "Yellowpop Cross-Eyed Empire" (judging by the Wishlist of "Russian brothers and strategic partners"). ... ...
    2. Firebox
      Firebox 13 June 2013 11: 55 New
      +6
      Kyrgyzstan with their heads and legs left for China, but Kazakhstan will not even fight, half of the country would have been given away by our officials to save their asses.
    3. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 13 June 2013 13: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: Per se.
      How long you can be fools, the Chinese are smiling, they agree to make concessions for them to "be friends" for now, but what the hell they give up, sacrifice something in their interests. We were already friends like this, to the evil of England and France, with Hitler ... Yes, and China is not a lion here, but a crocodile, always hungry and able to wait.


      Camrad hi , your suggestions?
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 13 June 2013 13: 47 New
        +5
        Quote: Karlsonn
        Kamrad, your suggestions?
        Genosse, my suggestions are simple - to love your homeland, to honor your parents ... As for China, don’t be like Baron Munchausen here, we won’t fall down for lunch, the Chinese will solve their problems, not ours. It is necessary to raise your country, and not Celestial Empire, to revive your Union, uniting the Russian lands, where the archival goal is Kiev, the capital of ancient Russia, the historical homeland of all Russians. We must be friends with our yellow-faced brothers carefully, strengthening our Far Eastern borders, if our mind is not enough here, we should look at the attitude of China to India, which is our ally, and not the Chinese crocodile. Yes, and learn from China how you can eat fish and ... sit down, becoming a superpower.
        1. smprofi
          smprofi 13 June 2013 14: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: Per se.
          revive your Union by uniting Russian lands

          eh ... your words would be in those ears ...
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 13 June 2013 15: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: Per se.
          revive their Union, uniting the Russian lands, where the main goal is Kiev, the capital of ancient Russia, the historical homeland of all Russians. We must be friends with our yellow-faced brothers carefully, strengthening their Far Eastern borders


          Well, you can’t argue with that drinks .
    4. Roll
      Roll 13 June 2013 15: 40 New
      +2
      fellow Well, except for Russia, the rest will be received before 2025, only Kazakhstan Kazakhstan needs to be returned a little back.
  16. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 13 June 2013 11: 28 New
    +7
    The first article of the author was good. I liked the cold and balanced review of the situation in the East.
    This continuation of the article was a little depressing. There is only one thought - the use of SevMorPuti, and so all are just crocodiles with lions. No offense to the author.

    It is definitely necessary to develop the North. The failure to use the capabilities of the transport artery in the Arctic Ocean is simply blatant mismanagement. If we do not, others will do.
    Let China go to the North very carefully. Here is just the case when the client will like it and grab it at the elbow.
    It is unlikely that the Chinese will entrust the cargo to our ships (of course, the most ideal option), but to organize and make the Chinese caravans guide our icebreakers is quite. Admission to the development of infrastructure - definitely NO. Invest in development money yourself. Take charge from the Chinese, not in the form of rent (in no case !!!), but in the form of long-term logistics services.

    What danger is there - with our own hands we will establish another tidbit ...
    Therefore, in addition to strengthening the alliance with China, the economic development of the Eastern region and the transportation of Chinese goods along SevMorPuti, at the same time strengthen the armed forces both at the borders with China and in the north.
    While the creation of the Arctic brigades somehow stutters, the Far East and Transbaikalia are reinforced simply ridiculously.

    Well, you can’t choke on to tell a strong, armed neighbor how well he will trade with us on our lands and even promise to let him go to the North, NOT HAVING ANYTHING IN THE HANDS.
    We show him directly what we have and we are ready to open the barn’s doors and ... in addition, we offer to jointly open our empty fields ...
    I would grin at the place of the Chinese, and would not take it all now by force. Since the map is laying down, let the northern neighbor CAM work for a while, increasing the usefulness of future mining, and then pick up a richer region, what’s it yourself to inject? ...

    Peace, friendship and chewing gum with neighbors is good.
    An alliance with a strong geopolitical partner is wonderful.
    But if it is only a political and economic union, and not potentially a military one, then as a result the STRONG PREPARES THE WEAK. This is the law.
    They are not friends with the weak, they use him as they want and do what they want with him, without asking him.
    SNF alone as a deterrent is not enough. Their application still needs to be decided, this is not an easy step, everyone understands this.

    I repeat that I wrote yesterday:
    Why is it impossible to build up conventional weapons within the framework of existing agreements in the Far East and Transbaikalia and ... calmly continue to trade with China, leaving nuclear deterrence as the very last argument, and not the first ???

    And so - with two hands for an equal friendship with China. It will be easier to keep the Anglo-Saxons in check, otherwise they have already unbelted with their democracy, feeling impunity with their greedy snout.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 13 June 2013 11: 53 New
      +4
      And I also wanted to add:
      We always did not know how to use propogandist weapons.

      Why almost do not celebrate the victory over Japan?
      Why not do it with China?
      Why don’t they constantly remind us that it was we who shook the Kwantung army in the trash and we brought them real, not mythical freedom from the Japanese colonialists?
      Indeed, with the word "Japanese" the Chinese still have conditional reflexes, and this is by no means a smile ...

      Why are we ... (roughly speaking) not using? And this is also a kind of weapon - the Brotherhood of War called. On one side were and fought with one enemy. It is necessary to remember this to the younger generation of both countries.
      Yes, and the veterans of this war themselves are almost not honored ... Not good.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 13 June 2013 13: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Aleks tv
        We always did not know how to use propogandist weapons.

        Why almost do not celebrate the victory over Japan?
        Why not do it with China?
        Why don’t they constantly remind us that it was we who shook the Kwantung army in the trash and we brought them real, not mythical freedom from the Japanese colonialists?
        Indeed, with the word "Japanese" the Chinese still have conditional reflexes, and this is by no means a smile ...


        totally agree good .


        Quote: Aleks tv
        Why are we ... (roughly speaking) not using? And this is also a kind of weapon - the battle fraternity is called. On one side were and fought with one enemy. It is necessary to remember this to the younger generation of both countries.
        Yes, and the veterans of this war themselves are almost not honored ... Not good.

        soldier

        The article "+", like the first part, is to the author - Thank you.
        1. individual
          individual 13 June 2013 16: 26 New
          +2
          Why almost do not celebrate the victory over Japan?

          Because the authorities are spoiled by political correctness to the detriment of Russia's interests.
    2. smprofi
      smprofi 13 June 2013 14: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Why conventional weapons cannot be built up

      hmm ... the thought is right
      But where are those URs in Siberia? where are those military units in the Far East?
      and in the end: where is the elementary control over the number of "peaceful" hunkhuz in the Far East and Siberia?
  17. Malleus
    Malleus 13 June 2013 11: 48 New
    +2
    "Secondly, the entire restoration of the structure of the Northern Sea Route should be carried out exclusively by the hands of Russian citizens - no Chinese workers or engineers!"

    Eh, still the Israeli migrant workers-shift workers from the government should be removed !!! recourse
    1. DimYang
      DimYang 13 June 2013 12: 19 New
      +1
      I repeat and rephrase. OPRICHNINA is the mother of order in Russia.
  18. cartridge
    cartridge 13 June 2013 11: 56 New
    0
    ... pushing the forehead of a lion and a crocodile will be not only a beautiful reception of our battle, but also the best way out of Russia from this situation!


    The only place in the article that does not cause me comments and objections.
    But one must think about this thoroughly and not at the level of newspaper articles.
    In all other respects, the author of this material, although he writes about serious things, still did not impress me. Some projection and nothing more.
    1. Roll
      Roll 13 June 2013 16: 44 New
      -1
      wassat You say the best way out, and Chinese ballistic missiles from western China through our territory will fly to Amer, and Amer’s to Yogur district in response too. Do you think to sit out, China and Amers are in ruins, and we rejoice, like the most cunning. It will not work, they will clean us with the remaining vigorous warheads for prevention. Better peace and trade, albeit with less profit for us.
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 13 June 2013 20: 53 New
      0
      Quote: cartridge
      The only place in the article that does not cause me comments and objections.
      To push them against their foreheads, you must have a Polish-Chinese border. Do not flatter yourself, the Chinese are not fools.
    3. 101
      101 13 June 2013 21: 31 New
      +1
      It’s good, of course, to build projects for China for the United States and NATO. And I think that China, from his point of view, is much more attractive to negotiate not with us, but just the opposite, on the division of spheres of influence. Here is China. Here we are. USA. I about it
  19. yzer531
    yzer531 13 June 2013 12: 05 New
    +3
    I dare to note, a modern judgment in relation to modern geopolitics (including "Chinese solitaire") is always a thankless task.
    It would not hurt to put yourself in the place of the "ruling caste", not forgetting the Biblical truths: - "... Satan rules the ball here ...".
    There are about seven billion people on the planet, but about 12 people rule the world.
    It is easy to guess what power they have in their hands and what interests they pursue ...
    All other strata of the population (including the "billionaires") are just a tool in the hands of the "elite", and that (in turn) is under the rule of Satan.
    All events on our "mother" Earth (unfortunately) - are not done according to our desire, but according to the scenario of "That" - to whom the Lord has given (until the time) power into the hands ...
    At the moment, several poles of power are actually embodied on the planet: the USA, Europe, China, Russia - "from above" controlled by a hidden center.
    The contradictions between the poles are so deep that no "agreements" will work.
    Already "with the naked eye" it is clear that Humanity is on the verge of establishing a "World Order".
    However, voluntarily (not one of the presidents, kings or princelings "...) - no one" his "(even ephemeral) Power will not give up - the pleasure of pride is too" sweet ".
    This tangled tangle of contradictions is only possible to cut.
    And the means for this was chosen by the "Prince of Peace" only one - world war, the bridgehead for which is being prepared far from accidentally - the Middle East (namely Israel "Holy of Holies").
    The entire history of our civilization (about five thousand years) - the Holy Land - was a stumbling block and the arena of God's opposition to the prince of darkness.
    The world is on the verge of the "Great End".
    Against this "Supreme background" - all the "attempts" of diplomats, military men and politicians - look like childish babble ("... but I have a super rocket", "... but I have a lot of gas and oil", and here we are united in the European Union "," ... and here I am all of you with my power of production and population ... "). As from the fable" Swan, cancer and pike ... ".
    It's just ridiculous (but unfortunately for humanity, deeply insulting) - how our "Tsarki" are exiled in an effort to build a "crap" society on the principles of greed and power.
    The real agony of cheating, duplicity and pride.
    All human values ​​(culture, science, medicine, education, ideology ...) are adjusted to these "hellish principles".
    You and I are just "meat" in this "meat grinder".
    The only possible path for each of us (with great love provided to us by the Lord) is the path of personal repentance — the only pledge of the "Future Age" and the door to "Eternal Life."
    What I love and wish to all of us.
    And in "this World" - none of us has a worthy place ...
    And the more we add Knowledge, the more we add bitterness about the modern world order.
    1. individual
      individual 13 June 2013 16: 21 New
      0
      yzer531
      You are right. You +, only a lot of letters.
  20. silver_roman
    silver_roman 13 June 2013 12: 42 New
    +2
    I put the first article "PLUS", I put the second one.
    It is high time to learn to think flexibly, as our overseas "friends" have been practicing for a long time. After all, where can you find more cynicism than in unleashing two world wars with the aim of your own enrichment !?
    The author’s proposals are not, of course, implemented only by signing an agreement or memorandum. To achieve such successes, you need to spend a huge amount of effort, money and time. But it’s time to stop already creating a bicycle, it’s time to stop copying Selikon valleys and so on. We must NOW do what we can and work with what we have, namely, our territory is a huge piece of Eurasia. And then silicone valleys will be tightened. Now is the time for ambitious projects, as the world has long been dynamic. You need to play big, because we are not some kind of Lithuania or even Mexico. Say what you like, but Russia has a great past and it is in our interests and strength to make a great future, because otherwise we simply cannot exist. Transib, the Northern Sea Route, health resort, tourism, no matter how amazing nature is, we have access to the Black Sea. Options exist, but you need to look at all these things more broadly!
  21. Nursultan
    Nursultan 13 June 2013 12: 58 New
    +1
    The Chinese, using tactics of creeping migration, have already invaded the countries of Central Asia. If Russia does not intervene in time, it may lose strategic control. Then a confrontation between China and the Islamic world is possible.
  22. Gato
    Gato 13 June 2013 13: 01 New
    0
    I do not quite understand why China needs the Northern Sea Route?
    Here are the main shipping routes. The main cargo flows of China are directed to the States through the Pacific Ocean and to Europe via Suez. It seems to me that this is closer, even if we take into account the distortion of the map projection.
    I am not an expert in the field of polar navigation, but I will probably have to introduce a system of caravans and provide icebreakers with their wiring, which also does not contribute to the acceleration of cargo traffic.
    If there are specialists, tell me - is there an appropriate navigation infrastructure on the Northern Sea Route?
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 13 June 2013 14: 30 New
      0
      You correctly noticed at the expense of the projection of the path on the map and in reality.
      the difference is quite substantial.
      At the expense of ice: so the temptation is that the ice becomes thinner and the surface area is smaller. besides, ours is not just building an impressive icebreaking fleet now - it will be the largest in the world. so that escort of caravans will be provided. There are also projects for the construction of ports on the coast. I don’t remember exactly where (like near Yamal), but I’m sure that the Internet is full of information on this.
      And besides, as indicated in the article, you do not have either pirates or the multitude of territorial waters of other states, which probably also have something to do with it. and so you swim yourself almost in a straight line and do not blow into your mustache. Of course, this is all subjective, and a very competent and pragmatic approach is needed here.
  23. asadov
    asadov 13 June 2013 13: 18 New
    0
    I liked the final paragraph of the article ...
  24. Gato
    Gato 13 June 2013 13: 20 New
    +2
    As for zoological allegories: it would, of course, be very cool to pit NATO and China, and then launch a large spoon into the resulting stew.
    Only it seems to me in this case, Russia is unlikely to succeed in following the example of the true baron, and the Chinese dragon is not so stupid.
    You can also recall the statement of Mao about fighting tigers and a wise monkey - and with what countries the great helmsman of these tigers associated.
  25. nod739
    nod739 13 June 2013 13: 27 New
    0
    put the minus first, but this one has not decided
    an interesting thought - it needs to be worked out,
    The first thought that shot me was to haul our ships, at one time I was engaged in sea transportation, so ships from Panamax and more (i.e. large) 1/3 are produced by Japan. Korea. China, and we don’t even build such

    to take any country - from all sides crocodiles, lions of the swamp - allegory is not appropriate, for the same Europe - in the east, barbarians in the south, Islamists in the north are cold, behind the ocean (albeit protected) ...

    Seriously, the construction of ports on the coast of the Arctic Ocean is a mega project, such things are not real for 5 years, for example, the Vostochny port is Primorye, warm. there is a train. road, electricity - human resources ... the third stage for commissioning capacities of about 3 years was mastered, to deepen the fairway to accept caps (ships of 20-200 thousand tons) - not a dream come true, but from Australia to the same Japan coal is transported just like that. and from Russia, by the Panamaxes (300), (and the freight is almost the same, and the shoulder from Australia is much larger). I remember they drove Glencore to some 70000 ships, so it was already an event.
    the question is not even the fairway for ships but the infrastructure: cranes, warehouses, loading and unloading capacities. and most importantly transport from the port i.e. railroad And so on.
    Conclusion of the Northern Sea Route - in the foreseeable future may be mainly transit
  26. knn54
    knn54 13 June 2013 13: 36 New
    0
    -Gato: I don’t quite understand why China needs the Northern Sea Route?
    Using the NSR eliminates the need to pay a fee for passing through the Suez Canal, and also helps to avoid the risk zones (Somalia and the Strait of Molucca) of pirate attacks and, accordingly, reduce the amount of insurance.
    If the route along the Northern Sea Route takes 23 days, then through the Suez Canal - 43.
    Saving time and fuel is obvious!
    1. Gato
      Gato 13 June 2013 14: 18 New
      +1
      Saving time and fuel is obvious!

      At first glance, yes.
      And if you take into account the ice situation?
      To each ship to put an icebreaker? Forming caravans is a waste of time, and the same icebreakers, and no one will do ice reconnaissance for free.
  27. Avenger711
    Avenger711 13 June 2013 13: 37 New
    -1
    Along the Northern Sea Route, transportation seems to be growing actively and the mechanisms there have long been debugged. Well, new icebreakers are being built.
    1. Gato
      Gato 13 June 2013 15: 11 New
      0
      I think that first of all, and first of all, Russia needs the NSR, as strategic communication with the Far East and eastern Siberia.
      But, here is a quote:
      “Over the past 20 years, the financing of the Russian North has decreased significantly, hydrological and ice reconnaissance is not being carried out properly on the NSR, there is no full weather forecast, ports and port points are in desolation, many navigational signs have simply disappeared. only one of the aforementioned "50 Years of Victory", which was laid down in the USSR, came off. Experts say that these problems can be solved in at least 10-15 years, and then if in the country the demand for transportation along the NSR will grow. The second problem is competition from the southern routes. Even though they are longer, passing through the congested Suez Canal and in Somali waters where pirates are rampaging, the southern routes are still more attractive for transporting goods between Europe and Asia. Ice-class ships are required to navigate the Arctic waters, and they are significantly more expensive than conventional ones; specially trained teams are also needed. In addition, drifting ice and unfavorable weather conditions can make it difficult for a vessel to navigate Arctic waters even during icebreaker-free navigation. "
  28. hramckov2012
    hramckov2012 13 June 2013 13: 43 New
    +1
    "But to knock a lion and a crocodile with their heads together will not only be a beautiful technique for our fight, but also the best way out of Russia from this situation!" if they collide, it will be World War 3, there will be no winners. I see that we need a policy of maneuvering, everywhere to look for benefits for the country
  29. fenix57
    fenix57 13 June 2013 13: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Why is it impossible to build up conventional weapons within the framework of existing agreements in the Far East and Transbaikalia and ... calmly continue to trade with China, leaving nuclear deterrence as the very last argument, and not the first ???

    Plus to you, fatty. This is what you need to do. Slowly, but without hesitation! hi
  30. polly
    polly 13 June 2013 14: 07 New
    +1
    The first article of the author put a minus (and if my opinion for the author is "slop" - so be it!), And the second - a plus. Several years ago I had the honor to host guests from neighboring China in my house - healthy-minded friendly people who remember our old brotherly relations, unlike many of our fellow citizens.
    1. Egor.nic
      Egor.nic 13 June 2013 14: 46 New
      +3
      Dear Chinese, you know poorly, as well as your own, and the first impression is usually deceptive.
      The Chinese are smart and cunning, insidious and cruel, and always go according to their plan to the goal. And they are characteristic, like any of the Asians - greed, greed and cunning. To achieve the goal, they are friends with you today, and tomorrow, after breakfast, they will cut your throat - the east is a delicate young lady ....
      Well, and to deceive them someone along the stage - this is so, by the way ....
      The author of course is a bolobol. But in his article there is one good grain - this carefully, deliberately and delicately pit China, the West and Israel in addition to this. And while maintaining neutrality.
    2. Rustiger
      Rustiger 13 June 2013 16: 37 New
      0
      Quote: polly
      I had the honor a few years ago to host guests from neighboring China - healthy-minded friendly people,

      And after they left, did you Polinochka count the "spoons"?
      Although it was not gypsies. . .
      The Chinese would have exchanged them for a disposable he-roten thread. Like - "mutually beneficial exchange". ... ...
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  32. smprofi
    smprofi 13 June 2013 14: 13 New
    +4
    what can I say ...
    the author’s syllable is good. allegories matched. as they say: write more.

    only here is the confident impression that the author uses ORT / RTR as a source of information (more precisely, "information"). that's all. and not everything that is shown there is taken into account.
    righteous anger about Damansky and ... complete silence about Tarabarov and Bolshoi Ussuriysky. but what a nice passage:
    at the head of our great country at last there is no less great leadership, which not only understands all of the above, but also acts precisely

    and was it not this "great leadership" in 2005 that gave the islands?

    about
    But to push the foreheads of a lion and a crocodile will be not only a beautiful reception of our fight, but also the best way out of Russia from this situation!

    fir-trees! but the fact that the gringos offer to be friends with the hunghuzes for a long time? and in the recent negotiations of Xi Jinping and Barack Obama it all ended in a military cooperation treaty? it's a secret?

    Well, why not offer China in the difficult task of organizing sea caravans traveling along the Northern Sea Route our full assistance ?!

    Oh! there are voices from the Celestial Empire (and at a fairly high level) that any international treaties of the mid-to-late XNUMXth century on the division of territories and seas and oceans are all wrong and unfair. they say, all international law is wrong. this applies to Okinawa and the entire Ryukyu archipelago in the first place. it was also about the "claims" of Russia to the Arctic Ocean. according to the latter - the opinion of the hunghuzes: these are international waters and Russia has no rights. on ORT did they say that? but on the BBC, with reference to People's Daily or 人民日報 (known to us as Renmin ribao), there was an article about this ...

    in general ... you can write for a long time and a lot. I even thought to close up the article, but I already had such an attempt: the article was not allowed on the site. but a little later "based on" appeared from another author. but this is the lyrics.

    in short. in addition to ORT, there is the same CCTV in Russian. It’s very useful to watch the news and how do the Hunghuz generally evaluate events in the world. Well, there is not only the Russian-language Internet. understand only one thing: "our younger brothers" have grown up long ago! and they are going to do what they want, and not what they will be "advised" and where they will be "directed".
    moderate snobbery ...

    1. shinobi
      shinobi 13 June 2013 18: 29 New
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      Our Chinese neighbors have already tried to do whatever they want on our border. They prefer not to remember the consequences as a meaningless border incident. The Chinese army is certainly large and technically well equipped, but there is one big "BUT." there is no practical experience and traditions of modern warfare. You can be an unsurpassed war ace in the simulator and easily shoot yourself with something picking up a real weapon. There is an experience in military affairs that can only be acquired in war. hi
      1. smprofi
        smprofi 13 June 2013 21: 42 New
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        Quote: shinobi
        They prefer not to recall the consequences.

        Sorry ... I really do not want to be rude, but again, you do not watch anything except ORT.
        ... hence the conclusions, sorry, miserable.



        memorial opened on Zhengbao (girlhood: Damansky)



        and they honor their heroes (well, they think so).
        and the Hunhuz are not going to repent
      2. smprofi
        smprofi 13 June 2013 22: 59 New
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        and further, shinobi, one could talk about regular exercises, about marches of large PLA formations over 2000 km. upload a bunch of photos and videos. it's possible. but not very interesting.
        but on the same ORT, with a laugh from a journalist, he talked about ... a cooking competition in the PLA. everything would be fine. many cook contests are held. it's another matter how. So the point of this competition was to prepare a full meal from "pasture", and not some delights from a standard set of starting products. and the humorist-journalist somehow misses that such training of the same cooks indicates that the PLA is seriously preparing for war.
  33. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 13 June 2013 14: 27 New
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    Dreamer you are Vladimir. The Chinas will take up and go along the Northern Sea Route without demand, observe the 12 milnus zone and trample in neutral waters, on their own. To make them use our ships, it is necessary that the price of freight does not exceed their costs for the delivery of goods in the traditional way. The difference in price between the paths is approximately 25%. This is a lot of money, but you can’t rebuild the infrastructure for them, they are barely enough to cover the current repair. And before that, you still need to create a whole fleet of icebreaking class, so that was what to offer. etc ...
    1. smprofi
      smprofi 13 June 2013 14: 32 New
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      Quote: Geisenberg
      The Chinas will want and go along the Northern Sea Route without demand,

      unfortunately ... it will be so
      1. Egor.nic
        Egor.nic 13 June 2013 14: 49 New
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        Do not wait ... smile
  34. Vtel
    Vtel 13 June 2013 14: 57 New
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    Interestingly, the author is not a case from the Kolyma. The sea transit of lions and crocodiles between China and Geyvropa wants to organize something, and let the green ones from the sale say let our liberal "honest" top officials think, because the real history of Russia has shown - who will put them in prison. In terms of the development of the North Sea Route, we agree - it is necessary to develop, but carefully, otherwise the entire North Sea coast will have Chinese huts with "lions, dragons and firecrackers" in a year, we need it - all seagulls and polar bears will be allowed on bigmaks, and also in a year "Free Chukotka" will be proclaimed.
  35. EtickayaSila
    EtickayaSila 13 June 2013 16: 04 New
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    And everything seems to be correctly and correctly stated, if not for one sooooo big "BUT" ... but what if a lion and a crocodile agree on the division of the booty "justly" to China - Siberia, to the West - the shelf, and for the Russians and the Smolensk region with Ryazan is enough. The fact is that Russia is too fatty, tasty and at the same time poorly protected piece, and there is no need for two predators to fight, it is easier to divide this piece so that "everyone" is happy.
    1. Gato
      Gato 13 June 2013 16: 26 New
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      The fact is that Russia is too fat, tasty and at the same time poorly guarded piece

      Well, I don’t know how fat and tasty it is, but it has nuclear teeth, so predators and the rest of the fauna can get along with the flora in the nearby forests and in the distant jungle.
    2. Oksana
      Oksana 13 June 2013 18: 09 New
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      Agree with you! NATO will get the whole North! And the "Celestial Empire" even "Kuriles" by the Japanese (rent)! But !!! RUSSIAN bear! Both Leo and Crocodile are afraid - this is a FACT! We Kazakhs have a saying. Literally, there is a northern BIG BROTHER BEAR, even though HE "sleeps" in winter, our children sleep peacefully !!! And the OLD MEN were much wiser than us!
      Yes ! Thanks to the author! This is not semi-fiction! And a diplomat can do more than the General Staff MO, with all the arsenals and units!
      Respectfully to all!
  36. individual
    individual 13 June 2013 16: 11 New
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    I agree with the author of the publication in the main.
    In RUSSIA there must be a nationally oriented power.
  37. MG42
    MG42 13 June 2013 16: 48 New
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    Unknown Secret War Feat. For almost forty years, the details of the special operation in the Zhalanashkol area were known only to the narrowest circle of people. It happened on August 13, 1969. The border guards of the Zhalanashkol and Rodnikovaya outposts managed to prevent a serious international conflict. Early in the morning, here in the area of ​​the Kamennaya hill, several dozen Chinese soldiers crossed the state border. They did not respond to warnings to stop.


    As a result, in the 90s, this disputed territory passed to China .., slowly nibble off pieces of territory ..
  38. sevtrash
    sevtrash 13 June 2013 17: 05 New
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    For a long time there is Sovereign Machiavelli
    1. Gato
      Gato 13 June 2013 17: 37 New
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      And the Chinese have long had Sun Tzu and Wu Tzu
      1. shinobi
        shinobi 13 June 2013 18: 33 New
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        stoptheory without practice is not experience
      2. sevtrash
        sevtrash 13 June 2013 19: 24 New
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        There is a monkey on the mountain
  39. ajden
    ajden 13 June 2013 17: 18 New
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    Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
    Competent article! Our guide would read it, because the benefits of the proposed options are simply undeniable. It would be time for others to fight already, and it seems that not a single generation in the world has lived, and all the benefits gained by sweat and blood have been lost.

    I support. The article is a fat plus. Diplomacy is also, to some extent, the Sun.
  40. Odysseus
    Odysseus 13 June 2013 18: 20 New
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    In general, the author's line of thought - to be friends with the PRC while "actively not objecting" to their confrontation with America looks very attractive, but the specific proposals are somewhat not finalized ...
    It is not a fact that the Chinese generally need the Northern Sea Route, and in any case, we now cannot offer them anything special in this regard.
    The Trans-Siberian Railway is really quite attractive, but it needs to be modernized. Here you need to know the specifics of how realistic this is and what we can offer the Chinese here.
    In general, it seems to me regarding the PRC, it is necessary to adopt the Chinese policy towards the USSR 1945-1959.
    Like, we have a lot to learn from you, we will now be a "little brother", friendship is forever, etc., etc.
    At the same time, it is necessary to support the PRC in foreign policy issues, while striving to direct its expansion towards the "sea", that is, to Southeast Asia.
    You can actively buy Chinese goods, but on the contrary, the direction of Chinese workers to Russia should be treated with caution.
    But all this makes sense only if the Russian government is interested in the development and very existence of the Far East and Eastern Siberia.
    Until this is all the other sentences do not make sense.
    1. Oksana
      Oksana 13 June 2013 18: 49 New
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      Yes, everything is true, but 80% of "Americans" wear sneakers - MAID IN CHINE! (90% of NATO uniforms are also from there! And at the expense of us, they feed their billion of the population! -CONCEDED !! (Like a "drug" - "addicted"! AT THE PRICE OF THEIR-goods.)
  41. homosum20
    homosum20 13 June 2013 18: 40 New
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    Unfortunately, dear arch, to push Europe (NATO) with their foreheads and their English experience to push everyone with their foreheads and mental caution, multiplied by a trick, the Chinese are unscientific fiction.
    But to run a rake across the field, not missing not one, but at the end to break through the wall with your forehead is in our historical tradition and quite real. So I'm afraid as a result of this alignment we will hear the familiar lamentation: "the beaten unbeaten is lucky ...". And, which is typical, we will not be unbeaten.
    1. Oksana
      Oksana 13 June 2013 19: 37 New
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      And no need to push! So Simple Timeline! 1980-1989 The PRC buys up, or "steals" the latest technology. Subsoil! From 1990 to 2009 for "black or whatever" For a penny, he buys up all the color and black, meth, from the freed S S S R! And this is millions of tons! 2000 - and beyond! With the latest Nano technologies, resources and "cockroaches" in their heads! (The most incomprehensible and unpredictable country and its representatives)!
  42. Revolver
    Revolver 13 June 2013 22: 06 New
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    China is really interested in the Arctic, yes, yes. But why should the Chinese mediate (in particular, Russia) when you can become the master and not pay? And how will China get access to the Arctic Ocean? Can Alaska be taken from America? Or Svalbard at the Norwegians? Here in the previous article, the author clearly showed how, for that article, a plus to him. And for this - definitely a minus.
    And by the way, about the Chinese soldier standing firmly on their land. The Chinese have a good historical memory, they remember for 5000 years in the depths of history. And in particular, they remember that, according to their version, bad Russian tsars sent evil Ermaks to seize lands from ancient times that were in the sphere of influence of the Middle Kingdom.
  43. Revolver
    Revolver 13 June 2013 22: 06 New
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    China is really interested in the Arctic, yes, yes. But why should the Chinese mediate (in particular, Russia) when you can become the master and not pay? And how will China get access to the Arctic Ocean? Can Alaska be taken from America? Or Svalbard at the Norwegians? Here in the previous article, the author clearly showed how, for that article, a plus to him. And for this - definitely a minus.
    And by the way, about the Chinese soldier standing firmly on their land. The Chinese have a good historical memory, they remember for 5000 years in the depths of history. And in particular, they remember that, according to their version, bad Russian tsars sent evil Ermaks to seize lands from ancient times that were in the sphere of influence of the Middle Kingdom.
  44. Igor77
    Igor77 13 June 2013 23: 23 New
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    I think that China has long been under Europe. Our country is under the thieves, and the thieves are also under Europe. Opposition under America are radicals too. In short, the showdown of the "old and new world" continues, and we are on the meat as always.
    I suppose that China is also arming us with the "old world". They will use us to fight the new.
    "Putin is a pawn that can become any piece if he reaches the edge of the board."
    Is that what I wrote? PPC. I'm going to sleep better.
  45. Savva30
    Savva30 15 June 2013 19: 58 New
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    The author has a lively mind, it's nice to read ... plus article.
    As for officials and corruption. Throw off your thoughts to a friend: To charge the Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation Shkolov E.M. the authority to make a decision on the implementation by the Office of the President of the Russian Federation on issues of civil service and personnel in cases established by federal constitutional laws and federal laws, inspections provided for by Article 13 [4] of the Federal Law of December 25, 2008 N 273-FZ "On Counteracting corruption "and paragraph 16 of the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of April 2, 2013 N 309" On measures to implement certain provisions of the Federal Law "On Combating Corruption".
  46. pamero
    pamero 19 June 2013 07: 14 New
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    The first question is, where do you find silver pieces?
    the second question is it necessary to the Chinese?
    The third question is how do you manage to dream like that?
    ...... the article is correct, but talking about abstract goals without the needs of the participants.