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A Chinese soldier stands on Chinese soil ... More precisely, on the one that he considers Chinese

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I am sure that everyone (well, or almost everyone) who will read these lines will remember 1991 year well. - The year of the terrible collapse and collapse of the GREATEST POWER (yes, yes, powers, not "empires", as some mistakenly call the USSR) WORLD FROM EVER !!! And the worst thing - it happened not as a result of the attack on all of our enemies at the same time, but through the hands of “our” leaders, of Slavic nationality! They sold for American chewing gum, French perfume and Bavarian sausages, letting go of 70, the summer fruit of the world's greatest and most talented people in the world, what could be more disgusting? !!! Two of the three actors (namely, the actors, because the action was obviously not directed here) are still alive, but the third one is clearly not threatened with execution. I suspect that they will not live to see him and the two remaining ... A pity ...




Next to such a UNIVERSAL SHAME, as the Belovezhsky conspiracy, another event that also occurred in the fatal 1991, seems like some kind of “pshik” and childish prattle. Meanwhile, with all the "invisibility", the event is an important and symbolic in its own way. His name is the final transfer of the notorious Damanski Island to the People’s Republic of China (PRC).

Needless to say, in that widespread turmoil, no one even thought for a second to stop and think that for this thrice-damned and useless island in 1969, several dozens of invaluable lives of Soviet border guards were paid. However, it would be foolish to hope that the three scumbags gathered in the “bushes” for sentencing their own people (namely PEOPLE, for the Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are one people!). Could they recall the post of the late senior lieutenant Strelnikov, who had taken the first battle in Damansky, or about the corporal Pavel Akulov, who was taken prisoner, whose corpse was returned to our side with traces of inhuman torture (there’s more evidence that all Russians are ruthless? we are capable of mercy!) ?!

But the worst was not even that. Then they will probably ask me: “Can anything be worse than the priceless lives of Russian warriors?” Maybe. And it was. We gave the enemy (voluntarily, without trying to resist) a part of the Russian land. Let such a worthless.

Cite historical example. In time immemorial, the lands north of the Celestial Empire belonged not to our people, but to the brave nomadic tribe of the Huns (not to be confused with the Huns, only the part of these tribes that migrated to Europe and settled on the lands of modern Hungary received the name of the Huns). The history of this tribe and the state formed by him by Hunnu was described by the Russian historian Lev Nikolayevich Gumilyov, who gained fame as a researcher, a “nomadologist”. No, no, I’m not going to preach Gumilyov’s convictions, because we disagree with him (he was hard hit by the Soviet regime, and I am the most convinced Stalinist). The historical events that the historian told us are important to us.

And he wrote the following. At a time when the Huns lacked cohesion, their neighbors were Sogdians (they lived in the territory of present-day Uzbekistan) and the same nomads of Dunhu imposed a tribute to the Huns. But then the brave leader Shanyuy (Gumilyov pointed out that in our time this title could be called "president for life") Mode, who began the unification of his people, appeared. When once Dunhu was demanded from Shanyu to give them a few dozen (or even hundreds) of horses, he unconditionally obeyed and executed those Huns who refused to give up their horses. Mode understood that his powers were not enough, the time had not come. Following this, Dunhu was demanded to give them several women, the leader of the Huns and this time did not dare to object and executed those who refused to give their wives to the menacing neighbors. Appetite comes with eating, and Dunhu was demanded to give them the desert border lands that belonged to the Huns.

And here those fellow tribesmen Mode, who considered it foolish to fight for the scorched spaces, laid their heads on the block. Shanuy gathered the tribe into a fist and smashed the brazen enemy. Then, inspired by the victory, the Huns knelt on several more neighboring tribes. It ended with the fact that nomads, of whom the total number was barely more than 300 000, forced China to tremble, which at that time already had an 10 million population. In one battle, Mode's troops surrounded the Chinese army in the steppe, led by the emperor himself, and forced the “greatest” people to sign peace on Hunnu terms.

It is difficult to say whose position was more disastrous: Russia, which became the largest "splinter" of the USSR in 1991, or the Huns, led by the brave Mode, which is called, "on a day unknown in any year." But, anyway, one thing is clear - you can not give your land! This can be compared with a small piece of unusually tasty cake, eating which you want more and more. I don’t even say that the beast, having once tasted human flesh, will never forget its taste.

But is it necessary to explain to the readers, for the most part - to military people, that to someone, and China, “do not put a finger in your mouth”? Think about it, the population of the Celestial Empire is 1 billion 344 million people, and at its side are the empty Trans-Baikal and the Far East of Russia (the only thing is to cross the river).
Not much better is the ratio of the armed forces. The People’s Liberation Army of China is the largest in the world in terms of numbers - 2 255 000 people. Russian army - 1 037 000. We note, given the length of our country, in the event of a collision (I do not want to even think about it), only the troops of the Eastern Military District will confront the entire Chinese army assembled in a fist. To this we add that although on paper the Chinese have an army replenished on a draft basis, in fact, with such a population, there is no need for a general conscription. Only volunteers are accepted. Approximately only every 11 of the Chinese citizens who have reached the 18 anniversary can count on such happiness. Happiness without quotes, because, despite the country's tremendous successes over the past 2 decades, the standard of living of ordinary Chinese is far from high. And the army means food, full state support, friendship, new knowledge, and most importantly in countries with modest incomes of the population - stability and confidence. It is clear that every 11 is not just one that has been put into operation under such a lucky number, but the best of eleven. The one who has at least a complete secondary education and good physical shape. It is an honor to be a soldier in China.

But in Russia? - Well, we will not claim that everything is as bad as in 90. There are still shifts from the dead point. Although the minister from the furniture factory and his team, or rather, those who stood behind them, had “worked hard” with our army in recent years. There are more guys ready and even willing to serve the Motherland, but I hope I won’t argue that our “good” neighbor cannot be compared with the state of affairs. Yes, I completely forgot, the Chinese are still the 2 of the year. I will not even stutter about the return of our 2-year service life. After all, one hint of this will be enough so that half of those striving to serve today, would no longer strive tomorrow. The fact of the matter is that our children, for the most part, want to "serve", and the Chinese, who wear uniforms, want to link life with the army. Yes, and teach for 2, the soldier can be much more thoroughly than in a year.

But this is not all that our “eastern ally” is capable of. I will come from afar. In terms of the number of personnel, our army is now at 5-th place in the world, and right in front of us at 4-th is the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK or, more simply, North Korea). Unlike China, and, thank God, Russia, too, this country is literally impoverished. But only "under the gun" manages to keep as much 1 190 000 people or 49 people in the form of every thousand of its citizens. Called into the North Korean army is mandatory citizens with 17 years! Service life in the Air Force, Air Defense Forces 3-4 of the year, in the Navy 5-10 years. And, if in the Chinese army the living conditions are quite tolerable, then in the armed forces of the DPRK they have to survive, facing all the burdens (like almost constant hunger and cold) of service, in the truest sense of the word! Why am I doing this? And the fact that the DPRK is an ally of China!

Now turn on your imagination again. A country locked in a small peninsula (not even in everything, but only in its northern half) with the poorest reserves and a huge foreign debt, and even forced to contain such a large "army." Will her young “fiery pilot” Kim Jong-un become long to think if her senior comrade in the struggle against world imperialism (and the state ideology of China and North Korea is also similar) suggests a great joint campaign? Of course, he will offer to share the fruits of victory.

So what do we have? 1 037 000 of our soldiers scattered throughout Mother Russia against 3 445 000 Chinese and Korean fighters. To this we add that the Chinese soldiers are completely ardent patriots and, at least, love their job. Koreans by the end of their service life (yes, I think that by the middle too) are generally beasts, we will clarify that forever half-starved animals.

When I used to share my sad thoughts with colleagues or interlocutors on the World Wide Web, they tried to reassure me. Like, and that, that there are many, but our military equipment is the most advanced. That's the way it is, the Russian land has always been famous for the Kulibin family, but the truth must be looked at - we have only a few samples of the most advanced technology. And the Chinese have put everything on stream, albeit stolen technologies, even if the quality is not the best, but if something is new, then this new one is already everywhere! As for the Koreans, I agree that they are armed with old ones, so what if (again, I calm myself more, just draw a picture for myself), China will not bet on them as on strike force, and such an army will fit for stripping.

But one of my interlocutors (an officer in the past), perhaps the funniest fellow, used the “iron” argument, saying: “All this is nonsense! A Chinese soldier stands on Chinese soil. That is their philosophy. ” Here, truly ...

But I agreed. That's just the concept of "Chinese land" - a very loose. As soon as the collapse of the USSR opened the borders, and the “iron curtain” collapsed, everyone rushed to us and from everywhere. And so the Chinese, with their "consumer goods" - in the first place! How many of them now in Transbaikalia and the Far East - and God knows ... But more than the Russian. And it's not even that some of these “peaceful” merchants and artisans are able to “scrape the bottom of the barrel” and suddenly become completely military. And the fact that the land, where the lion’s share of the population is Chinese, is the same Chinese soldier who doesn’t need to declare someone else’s “his”. And it is no longer about an island on the Ussuri River, by the will of fate pressed to the Chinese coast ...

So that you, dear readers do not take down my head for defeatism, I will immediately make a reservation. This article is the first part, respectively - there will be the second one, it is the “flip side of the coin” and the answer to the question “What to do?”.

There is also a light at the end of our “tunnel”! I'll tell you, China and the DPRK, like us, hate NATO. And that is our salvation. Maybe they should figure it out themselves, I suggest, before the publication of my second article about the Chinese threat (more precisely, about how to withdraw it) to re-read the stories of Baron Munchhausen. I'm not kidding.
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  1. Gooch
    Gooch 11 June 2013 07: 58 New
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    The Chinese are handsome in that they inherited the very best of Communism, and managed to transfer it to the capitalist tracks, and this is already 70% success.
    A couple of pictures of the Chinese military, delivered the preparation of fried eggs on a sapper blade, I had not seen this before. :)
    Field cooking in the PLA style

    1. Nick
      Nick 11 June 2013 08: 07 New
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      Quote: Gooch
      A couple of pictures of the Chinese military, delivered the preparation of fried eggs on a sapper blade, I had not seen this before. :)
      Field cooking in the PLA style

      There is no big mind. On Sochi beaches in the summer in the sand, you can bake chicken eggs without any combustible materials at all, simply due to the high temperature of pebbles and sand, which some do ...
      1. Gooch
        Gooch 11 June 2013 08: 30 New
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        Quote: Nick
        There is no big mind.

        Who can argue? In any case, the guys will not die of hunger, my comrades who were serving time in places not so distant, at one time told how How to get fire in a cell and just wondered at the resourcefulness of people sitting in prisons, you want to live and not be so upset. He told a bunch of ways, ranging from "cloning matches" (cutting it into 4) to constructions made of paper clips and foil in the power grid
        1. Ataman
          Ataman 11 June 2013 10: 28 New
          +5
          Russian army - 1

          Where does the figure come from? With the size of the army, we are a little cunning and do not include in its composition the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs - 182000 people (the tasks include territorial defense) and the FSB - 350000 people (border guards are in the FSB structure).
          I will not even stutter about the return of our 2-year service life.

          Before the data was classified, there was official information about the strength of the army of 220000 officers, 186000 contract soldiers, the rest were conscripts. But information also leaked that, taking into account the demographic situation, by 2013-2014 the number of contractors will be brought up to 450000 people. Therefore, it is possible that our army is already two-thirds contracted.

          In general, Suvorov also said that they fight not by numbers, but by skill.
          1. Egor.nic
            Egor.nic 11 June 2013 15: 19 New
            -5
            The Ministry of Internal Affairs, VV, and the FSB are not professional military units, these formations are designed to conduct a certain type of service, and in open battle it is cannon fodder.
            Do not bluff.
            1. Ataman
              Ataman 11 June 2013 22: 03 New
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              Quote: Egor.nic
              MVD, VV, and FSB are not professional military units

              I specifically mentioned that the tasks of the Interior Ministry troops include territorial defense in the event of the outbreak of hostilities. Internal troops are not militiamen with "Makars", but more serious. And the FSB special forces, probably, have never been so insulted by anyone ...
              For example, the United States includes the Coast Guard, and France the National Gendarmerie.
              Quote: Egor.nic
              in open battle it's cannon fodder

              What do you mean? Do professional military units go into open battle? In bayonet attacks or what?
              1. Don
                Don 14 June 2013 13: 38 New
                +1
                Quote: Ataman
                Internal troops are not militiamen with "Makars", but more serious.

                Totally agree with you. The special forces of the BB are excellent fighters and have repeatedly proved this, and the police have not only the Makarovs, but also the AKS-74U.
            2. воронов
              воронов 12 June 2013 00: 52 New
              +5
              Quote: Egor.nic
              The Ministry of Internal Affairs, VV, and the FSB are not professional military units, these formations are designed to conduct a certain type of service, and in open battle it is cannon fodder.
              Do not bluff.

              As for the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB, I agree to some extent, it is not their task to fight. But as regards the Ministry of Internal Affairs, you are probably getting excited, these are quite combat-ready military units equipped with the most modern weapons, having their own aviation (transport), and special forces are part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and naval units, there are also combat swimmers, in terms of combat training, many units of the explosives are superior to units of the Moscow Region. Do not forget about the border troops of the FSB and its special forces. The vast majority of employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB served military service in the SA and the RF Armed Forces, a lot of officers A moat from the Ministry of Defense is currently serving in the Ministry of Internal Affairs for various reasons. In addition, there are FSIN officers, which is also a very combat-ready and well-trained force; most of the officers also served there in their army at each territorial administration there is a well-trained special forces, FSIN officers showed themselves very well in both Chechen ones. There is also the Ministry of Emergency Situations with its engineering units and civil defense units. Of course, as a percentage of all the abovementioned troops of the Defense Ministry, all of the above mean They are completely inferior to the Moscow Region, but to speak of them as cannon fodder is at least hasty and amateurishly illiterate. soldier
            3. Don
              Don 14 June 2013 13: 34 New
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              Quote: Egor.nic
              The Ministry of Internal Affairs, VV, and the FSB are not professional military units, these formations are designed to conduct a certain type of service, and in open battle it is cannon fodder.

              Will you be reminded of how many times the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the VV participated in military operations? And Pennant and Alpha that belong to the FSB is in your cannon fodder? Do not grind nonsense. Such combat experience as the FSB and BB special forces of the PRC army never dreamed of.
        2. Nick
          Nick 12 June 2013 19: 35 New
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          Quote: Gooch
          my comrades were serving time in places not so distant, at one time they told how to make fire in a cell and was simply surprised at the resourcefulness of people in prisons, you want to live and you’re not so heated

          Not only the inmates have a wit. I remember it happened once during a service to go on guard without matches, at all ... the entire staff of the guard did not have matches, and there were smokers. They stood guard for a week and the guys did not have enough strength to hold out without smoking for a week. We tried to light a cigarette from email. the stove on which food was cooked, but it did not give the required temperature for the tobacco to smolder, then they came up with the following, removed the lid from the email. of the machine, which started the ventilation in the battery room, they wound honey, cotton wool from the first-aid kit on a splinter, brought it to the contacts of the machine, and turned on the ventilation. I must say that at the moment of start-up, a hefty spark jumps between the contacts, it then set the cotton on fire. So the soldier's ingenuity (not our jargon "Seka") helped to get out of the situation ...
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 June 2013 10: 51 New
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        eggs they give out in dry share ??? laughing
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 12 June 2013 13: 12 New
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          In fact, in the domestic educational literature, disconnected in the life support section, there are many recommendations for the extraction of pastimes.
          PLA studied and learn from them.
          So scrambled eggs on a sapper shovel from eggs of wild birds (and in Korea birds sit almost all year round on their eggs, finding no problem) is just laboratory work.
          In our army, scouts surprise the public and generals with this, but in the PLA this is part of the training. Or also just a show for the public.
      3. Mairos
        Mairos 11 June 2013 11: 28 New
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        I just wanted to write about baking eggs, only in the sands of the desert. )) And we also caught gophers, beat and fried. I even ate a snake, though I didn’t cook it myself. so in terms of pasture we are savvy people.
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 12 June 2013 13: 15 New
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          Oh yeah...
          Roast gophers in vegetable oil with chives - just an overeating.
          Hares are also quite good .. Especially for potatoes fried to red ...
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 11 June 2013 10: 48 New
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      this is all a profanity ... when I was serving in the GSVG, at the training grounds we drank tea from the radiators of cars (before the exercises, on the advice of the "grandfathers," washing them several times with water) warmed up food on the same motors, fried lizards on the same shovels (out of curiosity and on a dispute) they opened canned food with buckles, collected the night dew, and much more ... and the Chinas in the photo and the swill are in civilian bottles ... so it's all bullshit ... we are more resourceful our soldier shaves with an awl and heats up with smoke ...
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 11 June 2013 11: 29 New
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        )) And also in the mountainous desert places there is such a charm as a decoction of a camel thorn)) is not tasty, but useful
        1. dustycat
          dustycat 12 June 2013 13: 20 New
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          Yes, give up tasteless ..
          Tastier than many green teas.
          The whole Baykrnur (both mabuta and drill) in the morning and at lunch on the orders of the head of the landfill refuel them flasks before leaving the unit.
          At each facility and site there were large quarter-cube and semi-cube boilers with this brew.
          By evening, they always became empty.
      2. Egor.nic
        Egor.nic 11 June 2013 15: 18 New
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        This is the demagogy of those who served in the SA in peacetime, as in a resort, and did not see the views. There is another side to the coin - vast territories, a difficult climate, vast distances, lack of communication, lack of interaction and support from neighbors, limited ammunition, and the minimum number of personnel capable of conducting military operations or resistance. A greater number of personnel and military equipment will be destroyed in the first 2-3 days, the rest of the Chinese will finish off or wait until they die.
        And therefore, the units of the army remaining in the European part of the Russian Federation will have to be hit with tactical weapons on their territory, the population and the surviving fighters. And by this time, the Chinese army is just spreading over the far east.
        Such is the possible alignment in the event of a potential conflict. But the Chinese know how to fight, but we taught them this.
        Therefore, advice - simple boys running to the stadium, to the shooting gallery and to the hall.
        And the "father", the minister of defense and the commander-in-chief does not interfere with the situation. time plays against us, both in the west and in the east.
        1. воронов
          воронов 12 June 2013 01: 12 New
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          Now the main problem of the PLA (which the Chinese themselves do not hide) is the lack of combat experience. And we have it (the Middle East, Vietnam, Angola, Somalia, Ethiopia, Mozambique, Afghanistan, and at the very least, both Chechens are especially second, Georgia August 2008 .) If anyone knows immediately after the end of the Vietnam-American war, the Chinese popped into Vietnam and instantly got a snot, only in border battles mainly from border guards and militias, regular Vietnamese army units only began to pull themselves up and deploy, the Chinese m to the territory of northern Vietnam managed to go deep at a distance of 10-20km. But their losses compared to the Vietnamese in manpower and armored vehicles were so significant that they did not quickly wait to retreat without waiting for the Vietnamese army units. in advance to raise paws to the top also why not. soldier
    3. ALPETSEM
      ALPETSEM 11 June 2013 10: 56 New
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      They were surprised, they themselves had the wit to use in terms of cooking, in zinc from under cartridges fried potatoes, etc. It would be something to cook from, but we’ll already come up with something.
      1. atalef
        atalef 11 June 2013 12: 15 New
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        Quote: ALPETSEM
        They were surprised, they themselves had the wit to use in terms of cooking, in zinc from under cartridges fried potatoes, etc. It would be something to cook, but what we’ll come up with

        And we bent the pan out of iron (bent the edges), 2 of the bearing, on them 2 of the heating element, 380в and forward.
        1. ALPETSEM
          ALPETSEM 11 June 2013 13: 43 New
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          We had problems with electricity, so I did not get to the heating elements. What did not come up with, that would improve their life. There were no refrigerators at the outpost, and in the summer they began to bring fresh fish from the detachment (the funniest thing was not in the winter, namely in the summer), they had to build a smokehouse, and they built a hut from improvised materials.
        2. dustycat
          dustycat 12 June 2013 13: 24 New
          +1
          When there is no electricity - and a kerosene lamp kerogas.
      2. 101
        101 12 June 2013 22: 44 New
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        In the war against Russia, a Chinese soldier does not need to fry scrambled eggs on a shovel, you need to learn how to cook eggs from radiation sources and with burnt out eyes learn to touch to find edible parts on charred bodies of comrades
    4. Explore
      Explore 11 June 2013 10: 57 New
      +8
      All is well, but the author sets the guidelines incorrectly.
      Why?
      First, Russia really has only two allies - the army and navy (although now you can add the Air Force and the Strategic Missile Forces).
      Secondly, the Chinese see the policy of their national interests, and rightly so! Can they attack us? Theoretically, yes. However, for the time being, a productive dialogue can be conducted with Russia - they will conduct it.
      Thirdly, with NATO, whom the author sees as saviors, we have much more problems. Starting from a clearly aggressive policy and ending with the support of our fifth column. And if Russia is weak, then our NATO friends will kill us as quickly as the Chinese (Do you have oil? Then you have no democracy. We are coming to you!)
      Now just look at the positions of the parties on the situation in the world, the situation in Syria. Of the four geopolitical poles (USA, Europe, Russia, China), a 2 x 2 separation is clearly visible.
      So China is in the near future our most stable ally. The truth is only in the NEAREST ...
      1. Airman
        Airman 11 June 2013 11: 46 New
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        Quote: Explorar
        All is well, but the author sets the guidelines incorrectly.

        So China is in the near future our most stable ally. The truth is only in the NEAREST ...


        Landmarks are set very correctly! 8-10 million Chinese live in the Far East and South of Siberia, of which dozens, if not hundreds of thousands are spies and saboteurs. There are more Chinese than Russians, so the KOSOVO option is possible, when the Chinese will come to protect the majority of the population at the "request" of this Secondly, they really need resources and territories to settle almost 1,5 billion people. And all this is close by, in the north. Even with the most modern technology, they will crush us in numbers, for them losses of 500-800000 will be normal. And we also help them arm themselves, sell the latest SU-35s, so that in a few years they would have several hundred "clones". There will be NO war between China and the United States, due to the distance from each other. Mattress toppers will not get into China, they are not fools, and the Chinese cannot reach the United States, so think about where the Chinese are better to go. This slogan: Russian - Chinese brothers forever, we have already passed (DAMANSKY, ZHALANASHKOL). Why step on a rake twice?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 11 June 2013 12: 03 New
          +5
          well, they have their own territory
          about fill up with number, this coin has a downside
          In addition, China is rather heterogeneous and it has enough of its own "Caucasians" which can, oh, how to jerk if a "detonator" is inserted into them
          1. Guun
            Guun 11 June 2013 12: 18 New
            +7
            Uyghur autonomy is an example of this, but the Chinese are also not doing it with a finger - the rebellion was brutally suppressed in order to show that any rebellion was suppressed so that they would no longer want to rebel.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 11 June 2013 17: 34 New
              +1
              Quote: Guun
              any rebellion will be crushed so that they will no longer want to rebel.

              these are peacetime conditions, in the event of a military conflict, these foci will be artificially inflated and equipped with weapons So that hemorrhoids in the rear of the Chinese will be provided
        2. Explore
          Explore 11 June 2013 12: 46 New
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          Your option?
          Not to be friends with China and is styled under the USA? Or not to be friends with any of them?
          Diplomaty, such diplomaty. We have much more common ground with the Chinese than with the Yankees. And they do not publicly threaten us. Do not try to destroy our allies. Do not water us with dirt. We are not satisfied with the revolution ... If, however, we try to distance ourselves from all, then our situation will not be much better than the North Korean, because feuding with the whole world is difficult.
          China has border disagreements to a much greater extent with Japan and India. The North is so far secondary to them.
          Yes, and we must admit that in combined arms combat we will be defeated by a significantly superior enemy. The main constraints are adequate stable policies and nuclear weapons. Nobody will fight against a nuclear power that does not threaten you and builds normal diplomatic relations. Well, the acre of God's chosen America. They can do everything and the sea knee-deep ...
          But with the Chinese migrant workers the FMS must fight. Here is more the fault of our migration services than the Chinese ...
      2. Egor.nic
        Egor.nic 11 June 2013 14: 57 New
        +6
        China will be an ally of Russia as long as it is beneficial to it, and the second, until the natural expansion of the Chinese population into the territory of Russia reaches the critical point of the natural transition of the territory of the Far East to Chinese jurisdiction. And the reason for protecting the Chinese people living in Russia will be unexpected and simple to surprise. But there is still time - no more than 2-3 years in order to bring the situation into the mainstream. Then it will be too late.
        Of the Asians, the Chinese are distinguished by their intelligence, strength, greatest treachery, maximum cruelty, and are merciless to everyone ... And just as any Asians are afraid of one thing - another great power and mind.
      3. dustycat
        dustycat 12 June 2013 13: 26 New
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        And in accordance with the Eastern tradition - for now it will be interesting to them.
    5. Gato
      Gato 11 June 2013 11: 12 New
      +5
      This use of sapper shovels for culinary purposes has been known since the First World War. So here the Chinese borrowed.
    6. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 June 2013 11: 57 New
      +6
      Quote: Gooch
      Field cooking in the PLA style

      Oh straight achievement, let the eggs get first?
      1. Gooch
        Gooch 11 June 2013 12: 09 New
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        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Oh straight achievement, let the eggs get first?

        This is not iron ore, it is not necessary to mine them. Their hens are being demolished, you understand?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 11 June 2013 12: 14 New
          +5
          Quote: Gooch
          Their hens are being demolished, you understand?

          NO I DO NOT UNDERSTAND, I didn’t see chickens any time, and the eggs on my table just materialize

          p / s / Have you seen a lot of chickens in the taiga?
          1. Gooch
            Gooch 11 June 2013 12: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            NO I DO NOT UNDERSTAND, I didn’t see chickens any time, and the eggs on my table just materialize

            I thought you get them in the mine, with a pickaxe with a shovel)

            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            p / s / Have you seen a lot of chickens in the taiga?

            I’m in Taiga and I don’t believe it, even in our area there are those who have a subsidiary household, and if, in essence, one of the cooking examples is shown in the photo, you can fry anything on the spatula, even boar feces, if it pleases, it does not change the essence, but in general in case of war the advancing army should have logistical support, I think the Chinese with their bare asses will not trample in the taiga.
            1. Egen
              Egen 11 June 2013 13: 03 New
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              Quote: Gooch
              in Taiga and I live

              is it in the sense of which station city in our area? :)
              Quote: Gooch
              Chinese with a bare ass in the taiga will not trample.

              This topic - about the possible promotion of the Chinese - was already held on the forum sometime at the beginning of the year. But here we have essentially 2 paths: along the M-53 from Irkutsk onwards, and through Barnaul / Biysk, either immediately to Novosib on the road, or through Kuznya and again there to Novosib, and there to the Omsk swamp :)
              Therefore, the resources of Kuzbass and Tomsk, the defense of Novosib are on the roads, and plains can be reached through Omsk through Kazakhstan. And by and large it turns out the taiga, which the forest didn’t give up to them :( And your city, you can easily cut the branch in Novosib :)
              1. Gooch
                Gooch 11 June 2013 13: 13 New
                +2
                Quote: Egen
                is it in the sense of which station city in our area? :)

                What are you speaking about? Which area belay

                Quote: Egen
                Therefore, the resources of Kuzbass and Tomsk, the defense of Novosib are on the roads, and plains can be reached through Omsk through Kazakhstan. And by and large it turns out the taiga, which the forest didn’t give up to them :( And your city, you can easily cut the branch in Novosib :)

                In our country, the eastward the borders, the worse, there are really no troops, under Irkutsk one part of the Strategic Missile Forces, the All-Russian Railway, will be enough for them, they can already enter for transportation, even through the same Mongolia, and there is really no population here, and troops.
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 11 June 2013 17: 46 New
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              Quote: Gooch
              I thought you get them in the mine, with a pickaxe and a shovel.

              You perfectly understood what and in what context you said, but you had to show off.
              Quote: Gooch
              I’m in the Taiga and I don’t believe it, even in our area there are those who have subsidiary households
              you correctly said in the farm, which means you need to select, obtain or something else thread in this spirit
              Quote: Gooch
              one of the cooking examples is shown in the photo, you can fry anything on a spatula, although boar feces, if you wish, this does not change the essence, but in general in case of war the advancing army should have material and technical supplies, I think the Chinese with bare ass in the taiga do not trample

              so you won’t surprise us, 90% of our population will forgive me for a bullet from the shit and find it to eat in the steppe, and as for providing for the Chinese, this will be the number one task in their numbers
              1. Gooch
                Gooch 11 June 2013 18: 21 New
                +2
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                you correctly said in the farm, which means you need to select, obtain or something else thread in this spirit

                The Chinese feed Russia, go to the supermarket and see there the percentage of products from China they have no problems with this.

                so you won’t surprise us, 90% of our population will forgive me for a bullet from the shit and find it to eat in the steppe, and as for providing for the Chinese, this will be the number one task in their numbers

                the times have already passed when the quantity decided something, in the 21st century the Chinese will take quality
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 11 June 2013 23: 37 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Gooch
                  go to the supermarket

                  the nearest supermarket is 63 km from me, but there are more likely Polish sausages than Chinese ones, and in my refrigerator there are meat and milk and cottage cheese
          2. kazssr
            kazssr 11 June 2013 15: 31 New
            +1
            ))))))))))
      2. atalef
        atalef 11 June 2013 12: 17 New
        -1
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Oh straight achievement, let the eggs get first?

        they’ll cut off eggs from someone, but the most important thing is that they don’t need to carry forks good , two twigs - and in chocolate.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 11 June 2013 23: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          they will cut off eggs from someone

          and this is how the card will fall, otherwise they can sing falsetto
      3. воронов
        воронов 12 June 2013 01: 18 New
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        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Quote: Gooch
        Field cooking in the PLA style

        Oh straight achievement, let the eggs get first?

        The Chinese will eat their own, they are unpretentious laughing
    7. Svyatoslav72
      Svyatoslav72 11 June 2013 14: 15 New
      +1
      There is no need to "mold a hunchback", capitalism is not a Chinese form of relations, moreover, they are cleared of any contingent that begins to "rot in the West" or breaks away from the Party Course. AND! With this we were lucky, if China was 100% National Socialist, then the Russian Federation would have long been exiled to the province of China.
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    9. Malleus
      Malleus 11 June 2013 15: 04 New
      +4
      During our studies at the school, we were often reinforced with frogs (in field classes), drank water ... from toilet tanks (when the water supply system failed) repeat and much, much more. So the photos of terrible super-Chinese with fried eggs on a shovel (we did it on an iron upside down) well, they don’t make any impression at all.
      laughing
    10. Interface
      Interface 11 June 2013 17: 35 New
      +3
      Yes, this is propaganda!

      Remember the news that the Chinese Airborne Force came to watch the Chinas?
      Well, they even refused to live in our barracks, they had to arrange a hotel. What can be scrambled eggs on the shoulder blade ?!
      Of course, I could be mistaken, but the special forces of the KGB GRU, and later the FSB, are the most enduring unit in this sense, I read that even our bark of trees is used as food, for example, to remove stomach poisoning.
      This is steepness.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 11 June 2013 17: 40 New
        +2
        and whoever came there to watch the equipment isn’t telling me? I doubt that our specialists, who ride around the world for weapons exhibitions, for example, live in nearby barracks.
        1. Interface
          Interface 11 June 2013 20: 16 New
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          They themselves expressed a desire, but when they saw it, they decided that the number would suit more.
          And the Chinese came to watch the equipment, I, like, clearly wrote.)
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 11 June 2013 21: 36 New
            +1
            the Chinese are different. The ranks of the Chinese army came, or the generals? and our generals in the barracks do not live at such events. On the urgent, we had a special cottage with a luxurious bathhouse for inspectors, but we did not guess to put them in the barracks, unpretentious such.
    11. sun
      sun 11 June 2013 23: 33 New
      0
      look a very good thing!)))
    12. apiarian1
      apiarian1 12 June 2013 09: 42 New
      +1
      "A couple of pictures of the Chinese military, delivered by cooking eggs on a sapper blade, I have not seen this before." I have seen this in the Russian army for a relatively long time. The Chinese are not original here.
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 11 June 2013 08: 00 New
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    "And the worst thing is that this happened not as a result of the attack on us by all enemies at the same time, but by the hands of" our "leaders, Slavs by nationality."
    This was an attack, only the heirs of the Vlasovites held high posts with us.
    1. RUS-36
      RUS-36 11 June 2013 08: 29 New
      +7
      Slavs ??? Masons 100% Gorbachev Slav? Yeltsin ??? They are Russian Masons.
    2. Very old
      Very old 11 June 2013 09: 47 New
      +6
      "Nobels" are not given for nothing. The patched pumpkin admitted: they did not know where and how to go. And the boar suddenly showed up "friends" for FIRED, take everything, guys.
  3. Nick
    Nick 11 June 2013 08: 01 New
    17
    The topic is certainly not new, but not lost its relevance. In any case, even as an ally of Russia, China must understand that Russia's military potential is sufficient to repel any aggressor. In a word, gunpowder must always be kept dry, and the ear is sharp ...
    1. Orel
      Orel 11 June 2013 08: 52 New
      +7
      I think the "Chinese threat" is exaggerated. It is necessary to be in all arms, but China is acting pragmatically. China understands that if it goes to confrontation with Russia, it will lose its rear, which is now Russia in essence. The rear is not destroyed, this is suicide. Even if we imagine that China will agree to this, then China will have to reckon with the fact that its aggression against Russia will contribute to the unification of Russia with the United States and Europe, as well as Japan against one China. For China, this is just a catastrophe and a final defeat in the geopolitical game, from which China will never recover. Russia is now very important for the United States in the light of the strengthening of China and for China in the light of the confrontation with the United States. Therefore, quarreling with us is not beneficial to anyone.
      1. Very old
        Very old 11 June 2013 10: 03 New
        +8
        The Chinese know how to wait. Why attack Russia .. You can quietly build Chinatowns, D.V. quietly and without dust, they are taking over, Lokomotiv does not immediately gain courier speed, and the Chinese steam locomotive is leisurely but stubborn. Here is a hidden threat
        1. Roll
          Roll 11 June 2013 10: 14 New
          -7
          wassat There are no hidden threats here. Of course, China will occupy Kazakhstan and Mongolia, and Kazakhstan will share it with us, if our policy is competent, it won’t get on us, it’s too expensive, I’m sure he learned a lesson from Hun. With regard to penetrating with a quiet glander, here the army is powerless, only politics is here. And then this is our idea of ​​China and the USSR friendship forever. Only now we have exchanged roles, and social systems. If we are the main ones in the union, we’ll squander all of China, but the Chinese, like the USSR, will build factories for us for free, in general, we need to be friends and cooperate and learn from each other.
        2. Orel
          Orel 11 June 2013 10: 30 New
          +5
          I don’t know how much you can believe, but recently there was an article, also here, that the Chinese in the second generation consider themselves Russian) It’s just that many people in China have no sugar (to put it mildly) and they don’t want where in Russia they now live was also where they left from.
          1. Roll
            Roll 11 June 2013 14: 10 New
            +1
            fellow I agree that you need to be friends with the Chinese, and if they settle on some territory, this does not mean that we surrendered it, but rather the opposite. And then, many such warriors are here, hold on straight. But a simple and understandable question due to what we want to defeat China? China's military budget is growing at a rate of 10 percent per year, the budget is being cut less than ours, the leadership of the army and the CPC is more competent than ours, there is a unifying idea, re-equipment is well underway and not expensive, since the stupid neighbor of China respects the PLA. A lot of things you can still write
            1. mark7
              mark7 11 June 2013 23: 28 New
              0
              And what does it mean to settle? Correctly Sobyanin said the workers should be seasonal, and so everything is true with a strong opponent
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      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 11 June 2013 10: 57 New
        +2
        yes ... the Chinese, in principle, bullshit ... but there are many of them (like bees) and in small groups of 10 people they can do business ....
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    3. little man
      little man 11 June 2013 10: 55 New
      0
      Nick.This is all soothing babble. The article shows very convincingly that repelling the Chinese Sun will be very problematic. And if China also supports NATO, that’s all, put out the light, let the rockets go.
  4. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 11 June 2013 08: 26 New
    0
    I agree with some of the arguments. Especially against the background of the "bazaar" about the professional army. Among friends, they also repeatedly raised topics about China, etc. And what was most surprising of all was perplexed by the question, if in 1941 the Red Army lost its personnel, then who then smashed the Romanians and Hungarians, who broke the SS-sheep at Balaton, and most importantly, who took Berlin? Hence the logical question. Why do we need exclusively professional Special Forces, Airborne Forces and Marines. There are no posts that need to be completed by conscripts. Or we will, according to new trends, fight remotely, that is, the closer the enemy, the further we move away.
    1. Roll
      Roll 11 June 2013 12: 33 New
      +1
      fellow The fact that the Red Army lost its personnel and won does not yet speak of the correctness of your conclusion, if it had not lost its personnel, then the Nazis might not have reached Moscow, some posts should certainly be completed by conscripts, but what are our conscripts of the same age. Here in China, conscripts on a VOLUNTARY basis, by competition, serve two years and can extend the contract. This is a force, unfortunately China can afford it, but we do not. That's the catch.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 11 June 2013 13: 03 New
        +3
        Tukhachev's example of this. ask what he wanted to put into service. if he remained "at the helm" in the army, then the Nazis would not stop at Moscow, but somewhere in the Ural foothills
  5. Okuscher
    Okuscher 11 June 2013 08: 29 New
    +3
    Let's wait for the continuation, but in general an interesting topic.
  6. fenix57
    fenix57 11 June 2013 08: 30 New
    +1
    "But more than Russians ...", -no, well, "THICKEN THE PAINTS" is not necessary. There are many of them, both Chinese and Koreans (northern). And demarcation work was carried out from humpback to Yeltsin, it was a case ... And not in our favor. What is only DAMAN ISLAND(May 19, 1991 the parties came to an agreement - the island finally came under the jurisdiction of the PRC).And in our time they give ..: Tarabarova island-completely under the PRC;It is necessary to change the LAW "ON THE STATE BORDER" itself.
    Quote: Nick
    In any case, even as an ally of Russia, China must understand that Russia's military potential is sufficient to repel any aggressor.
    -That they UNDERSTANDLY SHOULD REMEMBER!
  7. omsbon
    omsbon 11 June 2013 08: 31 New
    +8
    The development and strengthening of the Far East, in my opinion, is one of the main tasks facing the Russian state!
    1. Forget
      Forget 11 June 2013 14: 27 New
      +6
      That's right. I remember offering somehow to resettle Muscovites there, then they came upon me like that ....
      1. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 11 June 2013 17: 37 New
        +2
        Not Muscovites need to be resettled, but the capital closer to the center of the country. And in Moscow there will be less traffic jams, and the government will more soberly assess the real situation in the country.
    2. Guun
      Guun 11 June 2013 17: 09 New
      0
      Actually, now it is necessary to strengthen the southwestern borders.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 11 June 2013 17: 43 New
        +3
        I am very sorry, but something always strengthens the southwest and just the western borders when it comes to Siberia? I personally live in a region where there is not a single part of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, only explosives guarding a closed city. And before there were air defense units and some more.
    3. mark7
      mark7 11 June 2013 23: 36 New
      +1
      it is salable and still would strengthen borders as in the USSR
  8. Humpty
    Humpty 11 June 2013 08: 47 New
    +2
    You have to be friends with China, but friendship is friendship and tobacco apart. Most of our people do not have a completely correct idea of ​​the Chinese. During the "cultural revolution" cannibalism flourished there, and, no matter how cynical it may seem, it was not because of hunger. My friend's grandmother managed to escape from China, she said, during the mass executions a crowd of onlookers gathered to watch. For some time, the soldiers did not remove the corpses, and the crowd attacked the dead and ate their brains.
    Now, of course, this does not happen, but this is their recent past. Where is the guarantee that the story does not happen again ...
  9. ATATA
    ATATA 11 June 2013 08: 54 New
    +5
    I don’t like to become such.
    Mournful whine in the style: "China will conquer and capture us!" Already tired.
    There have already been written about this topic 10 times. In the foreseeable future, nothing will come of it.
    And whatever would continue to be so, it is necessary to keep the powder dry and not to give reason to doubt it.
    1. Barabas
      Barabas 11 June 2013 09: 59 New
      -15
      - Uncle Sasha, is it scary at the front?
      - Scary, kid. German rushing rampant. He has tanks and planes, they crushed with bombs, they don’t let their heads rise.
      - And where are the Stalinist falcons? Where are our tanks?
      “There are none, only in the cinema,” the neighbor replied muffledly.
      1. Gato
        Gato 11 June 2013 11: 35 New
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        “Herr Heinz, is it scary on the Eastern Front?”
        - Ja, mein liber kinder! Ivan rushes uncontrollably! He has tanks, "Stalin's organs", attack aircraft bombard him with bombs from above, they don't let him change his pants.
        - And where are the experts of the Luftwaffe? Where are our "tigers"?
        - There are none of them, everyone in Russia has remained.
  10. mpanichkin
    mpanichkin 11 June 2013 09: 08 New
    +6
    Recently I was in China, former cities were being built, I went back to by train, I got to a small border town, everything is also being built there. I came home and saw how the roadman from the kettle poured holes in the pavement, it was a shame for his homeland. By the way, 1) not all poured in the pits, some left (so that drivers would not fall asleep at the wheel), 2) literally two weeks later, poured pits reappeared in the same place and even became larger than they were.
    1. Egen
      Egen 11 June 2013 09: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: mpanichkin
      former cities are being built

      there is one :)
      Quote: mpanichkin
      not all poured holes, some left, (so that drivers would not fall asleep at the wheel

      That's it! Have you traveled on roads in China? I waved a couple of thousand there, I almost fell asleep on the tracks! Her, the Chinese do not know how to build! :))
      Quote: mpanichkin
      literally two weeks later, the flooded pits re-emerged in the same place and even became larger than they were

      but this is definitely bad :) No, not the fact itself, but its reason :) This is our national notion - to do it so that you can redo it later :)
      I worked at a factory, they produced an elementary cardboard roofing material, they took it with their hands, it serves for a year. They have developed a modern one based on fiberglass - they do not take it: (But how is it, better?! - it turns out that builders, for example, at a neighboring plant, cover half of the roofs with roofing material in 1 year, the next - the remaining half, and in the 3rd year they return to change roofing material 1 year; and if we put "long-playing", most builders would have to be reduced :(
      :))
      What is bad here in this situation is that we are looping on ourselves, in a circle, and the Chinese have made ourselves once and for a long time, and are looking for a way out, if they don’t want them, but Russia is there, again they do not want them :(
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 11 June 2013 10: 17 New
        +2
        As regards roads, it is about the fact that in Russia Gogol still wrote two troubles. For 150 years, nothing has changed in this matter. And all the enemies that came to us during this time got in the teeth despite this.
        As for roofing material on cardboard and insulation based on steklotnkani, then as a builder with 19 years of experience I will tell you.
        I have not been seeing a cardboard roofing material at a construction site for about 10 years.
        And to wind up anti-Chinese hysteria in the articles, this is the real wrecking.
        The war between China and Russia is the crystal dream of the United States and the Zionists.
        And all who participate in this cheating are essentially their agents, who hide behind pseudo / kvass patriotism and promote the interests of the Zionists.
        Our true enemies, world Zionists and their US puppet, are prepared to pay dearly for the conflict between China and the Russian Federation.
        1. Egen
          Egen 11 June 2013 13: 18 New
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          Quote: ATATA
          As for ruberoid on cardboard and insulation based on steklotnkani, I will tell you as a builder with 19 experience. I have not seen a cardboard ruberoid at a construction site for years 10.

          Oy, Alexey, what will you come from? The construction that you have advanced, you would have to go to the market :) You’ll also put geosynthetic materials on the road :) And here we have it :(
          Seriously: roofing material "Kuzbass Scarab" in Kemerovo, although there is a Technonikol plant in Yurga, 100 km away.
          Native "Orton" from Kemerovo switched from fabrics (including geofabrics) to the production of nonwovens within Sibur, although from China I brought both nonwovens and geogrids exactly half the price of our production. Moreover, the width is 4 and 6 meters, you probably understand what this is what. Yes, and 12m wide PE film sleeve. And PE100 pipes, and wood-polymer boards ... Well, construction and China is a separate topic, someone I got carried away :)
          Quote: ATATA
          Our true enemies, world Zionists and their US puppet, are prepared to pay dearly for the conflict between China and the Russian Federation.

          but I completely agree with this.
        2. polly
          polly 11 June 2013 21: 47 New
          0
          ATATA, you correctly said about anti-Chinese hysteria - this is the goal of all such articles, because you can see with the naked eye! Thanks for the real and reasonable comment.
    2. ole
      ole 11 June 2013 09: 27 New
      +2
      I agree . technology they already have a rod which is not in Japan and Korea. The country is developing fundamental science, investing in education, in short, their steam train flies forward, and we can’t push a trolley together. laughing
      1. ole
        ole 11 June 2013 10: 54 New
        +1
        I didn’t understand for minus, the sidekick from the Far East in 2012 was at a techno exhibition in China, they bought technology from Japan (which in Japan itself) doesn’t manufacture circuit boards after scanning, imagine a table 1,5 * 1,5 with a scanner, it scans any board, and after five or six hours complete industrial production, a 3-D laser cutter capable of burning a simple kettle out of metal in great detail with an error of several hundred.
        1. ole
          ole 11 June 2013 10: 56 New
          +4
          And here Rusnano breaks records at a loss laughing
  11. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 11 June 2013 09: 09 New
    13
    It seems this is not an article, but a cry of the soul. I would like to add a little. In 1991, we surrendered Daman Island. But the author did not indicate that in 2005 we gave the Chinese another 1,5 islands. Tarabarov Island fully and Big Ussuri - half. They did not consult the people then either. As if these comrades and the second half of the island did not give. Then Khabarovsk will be separated from China only by the Amur River.
    The author says: "having put under the hammer the 70-year-old fruit of the work of the GREATEST AND TALENTED PEOPLE IN THE WORLD". I disagree a little. The territory of our state has been collected for centuries. Each piece of our country has been extracted with the blood of millions of lives of our ancestors. Well, the government has no right, no matter how good the excuses, to squander our lands. We gave the Chinese Damansky, Tarabarov and half of B. Ussuriysky Shevardnadze gave the Americans a piece of the sea rich in seafood in the Pacific Ocean. Recently, the Norwegians in the Barents Sea were also presented with a present in the form of a fat piece of seafood. Let's give up the South Kurils, and then the neighbors, seeing our helplessness, will become insolent and tear the country to shreds !!! Shame on such leaders !!!
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 11 June 2013 13: 06 New
      +2
      I’m surprised that the faithful Putiners didn’t bother you. From me, deserved +.
      Well, on a post, so why am I fighting with us if he already gets everything he wants from the Russian Federation?
    2. mark7
      mark7 11 June 2013 23: 47 New
      +1
      well done well said, you can’t give anything yourself, not shreds
  12. Egen
    Egen 11 June 2013 09: 14 New
    0
    Quote: ATATA
    Mournful whine in the style: "China will conquer and capture us!" Already tired. Here already 10 times wrote on this topic. In the foreseeable future, nothing will come of them.

    - because it will already be a global conflict with nuclear weapons, and not just one island. The Chinese are not fools, but for the whole of Korea one "Poplar" is enough :)
    But there is still one caveat.
    The Chinese are for the most part peaceful people, if you look at history. But lately, their army has really made great strides. And not even so much in terms of equipment as in the education of soldiers, the development of fighting spirit. And all IMHO because the Chinese have a NATIONAL IDEA, the absence of which in the Russian Federation has recently been said in almost every branch.
    Only here is what they have, I really do not understand. It seems that they have it "Great China", but at the same time, and "dollar" ... And it would not hurt us to learn from them :)
    Request to the author to cover this topic in the next article.
  13. Dejavu
    Dejavu 11 June 2013 09: 16 New
    +4
    Think about it, the population of the "Celestial Empire" is 1 billion 344 million people, and near by are the empty Transbaikalia and the Far East of Russia (just to cross the river).


    Author, author ..., you do not know the Chinese well, not once. I live on the border with the Chinese city of Heihe and a lot of friends live for a long time on the other side of Russia on an ongoing basis. They buy an apartment there for 1 million rubles and live. The Chinese, in turn, completely ignore these territories, because it is cold here and nifiga does not grow, or rather grows, but only one crop per year can be removed. Therefore, the Trans-Baikal lands do not need to be frightened here, or rather the desire of the Chinese to get them. The Chinese have a lower population density than in South Korea, for example. So they have a place to live. BUT most importantly, the Chinese live wherever they want in any country in the world. They didn’t bother to win something there. There are another billion of them living in the world, only they are citizens of other countries. But if there is a war, do you think they will fight against theirs as citizens of the same USA? - I doubt it. Borders certainly can not be given, but the Chinese do not scare us either.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 11 June 2013 09: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: dejavu
      But if there is a war, do you think they will fight against theirs as citizens of the same USA? - I doubt it.


      You are in doubt, and the United States in World War II, the Japanese living in America away from sin far away in concentration camps.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 11 June 2013 10: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: zvereok
        You are in doubt, and the United States in World War II, the Japanese living in America away from sin far away in concentration camps.

        Anglo-Saxons are a cruel people.
        They created their empire by the genocide of other nations on a global scale.
        It was they who created the myth of the cruelty of the Spaniards and Portuguese, but look at the ethnic map of America. Most Indians (not ethnically speaking) are in Central and South America and are practically exterminated in North.
  14. UFO
    UFO 11 June 2013 09: 17 New
    +2
    The most interesting turn of events would be if the States were "blown away" as a superpower, and we were left alone with China! (A terrible dream in our current state).
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 11 June 2013 10: 38 New
      0
      Quote: UFO
      The most interesting turn of events would be if the States were "blown away" as a superpower, and we were left alone with China! (A terrible dream in our current state).

      After that, China will experience economic collapse, chaos and anarchy.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 11 June 2013 13: 08 New
        +1
        highly controversial statement
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 12 June 2013 02: 59 New
          -1
          Quote: fartfraer
          highly controversial statement

          The market for China and the basis of economic power are the United States and their satellite Europe.
          After the collapse of the United States, China will lose foreign exchange earnings.
          And there’s nothing to buy raw materials for industry.
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 12 June 2013 10: 34 New
            0
            China occupies a large market share in the Russian Federation. In Europe too. A lot of metal from the Russian Federation goes to the states. Losses of our industry will not seem small. Again, if the states are the main consumer of energy resources (up to 25% according to various sources), then their collapse will result in lower prices. on resources. this is elementary)
  15. igor36
    igor36 11 June 2013 09: 27 New
    +4
    It is necessary to respect the Chinese. Now Russia and China have similar political goals - this is to limit global hegemons and expand their own influence (for Russia, the restoration of their own influence). But in the future, politics may diverge, and then we must have an understanding of how to stop the Chinese.
  16. Yarbay
    Yarbay 11 June 2013 09: 28 New
    +4
    *** Just, the concept of "Chinese land" is very extensible *** -done right!
    The Chinese are amazingly fast to learn everything and adapt to any conditions !!
    1. Guun
      Guun 11 June 2013 11: 52 New
      +1
      Especially the success of their Ture-96 tank belonging to the Sudanese Armed Forces which proved to be excellent at knocking out at least 4 T-72s of South Sudan. There were no Ture-96 losses. Many simply do not want to understand that China has been doing good things for a long time, not only for itself, it’s consumer goods brought to us by businessmen assuring us that this is the original. It is not for nothing that those who were in Shanghai say that the cities of the future will be just such, indescribable beauties. What, what, and they do military equipment for themselves, high-quality by world standards and the receipt of new equipment they go 1 in 1 to replace the old. Mass production is more profitable, this geyropa makes it piece by piece that each piece of equipment is worth its weight in gold in everything.
      1. not good
        not good 11 June 2013 22: 49 New
        0
        And the Chinese do not throw out the old equipment, but, unlike Russia, they carefully send it for storage. They say that even the T-34 will be rolled out if necessary.
  17. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 11 June 2013 09: 45 New
    +7
    Similar articles of a provocative nature were ordered overseas, and no one will convince me otherwise
    1. piterkras
      piterkras 11 June 2013 09: 49 New
      -9
      This is your posts here are often provocative. He judges here still, you know ...
    2. Very old
      Very old 11 June 2013 10: 11 New
      +2
      Milay, are you a military man?
    3. Gooch
      Gooch 11 June 2013 10: 20 New
      -6
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Similar articles of a provocative nature were ordered overseas, and no one will convince me otherwise

      Is there America at all? Have any of you seen America, all these buildings, Americans, etc. I personally do not believe in all these tales about the Indians and the President's Negro, they sing too sweetly. America was invented even under Stalin so that factory workers would work better. It has been proven that a common enemy improves the productivity of workers, rallies the population. Plus, any problem can always be blamed on the machinations of "certain" Americans. It's like the devil for medieval people, the cow died, the devil is to blame. There are agents of the West (they used to be called witches, sorcerers, accomplices of the devil) now they play the role of spies for America (which, as we know, does not exist), they seek to disrupt the peaceful harmony of our stable society. But you, as a Russian patriot, drink putinks, kiss the portrait of the president and go to bed after praying! Don't worry!
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 11 June 2013 10: 30 New
        +8
        And who told you that I'm worried. You need to think elementary. The world is now divided into three parts, NATO, Russia, China. Any conflict of two is beneficial to the third. You have to be a simpleton to not understand this. Fantastic statements are often made that China can chop off Siberia. Any large-scale military operations cannot end with annexation, for example, of the Far East or Siberia. War, if it will, will be until the complete destruction of all enemy infrastructure. This means that with such a balance of forces nuclear weapons will be involved, who will remain the winner? The third party will remain, so who will say that the Chinese are complete and will ruin their country with their own hands. You can chat with anything, a boneless language, and paper, as they say, can stand it.
        1. Gooch
          Gooch 11 June 2013 10: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: vladsolo56
          And who told you that I'm worried. You need to think elementary. The world is now divided into three parts, NATO, Russia, China.

          I’m certainly not a super expert and political scientist, but I’ll try to tell my vision about possible graters with China, based on current realities.
          1) crisis. everything is bad for everyone. Western countries have graters with China. in order to get out of the crisis it is necessary to launch a wave of innovations, demand, or to “nullify” the standard of living by the war and then rebuild paradise (here I mean paradise only the interests of the West - how they can argue for their part)
          2) the representatives of the Western establishment are driving them to our corrupt Kremlin uncles, starting to threaten and blackmail them with freezing assets and imprisoning them and their family members in their west. the main requirement is to go to war with China, to take the side of the West (but in fact, just throw Russia face to face with China). our ilites foolishly go for it (it’s foolish, because if their assets were frozen in the west, they could live here and steal further, and if Russia was destroyed by China, they would not be able to steal, but in the west they still will not be left alone)
          3) Russian troops go into battle, but the Chinese army is leaning on them like a hammer on an egg. minus 100500 male population.
          4) China grabs Siberia and the Far East. half of the country is now gone. there are almost no resources. Russians are declining as an ethnic group in Russia (smirk of fate), but remain alive in Belarus and Ukraine.
          5) in Europe, jo.pa is still worse. it became clear that the Ketaisi were too strong, and no democracy would risk a confrontation with this giant. on the other hand, all arriving migrants (Arabs and Negroes) and humming. on the street more and more breivikov. some European countries have a bloody massacre, coups, new Mussolini and Tito.
          6) nationalists come to power in the United States, or zhoskie conservative republicans. the policy of isolationism begins - in fact America leaves all its “friends”, including the UK and all of Europe, and is only concerned with solving its internal problems - with the help of internal troops it gives stars to protesters and corrects its own internal financial situation.
          7) in Japan, alarmed by this state of affairs. from the former Russia they took a small piece for themselves - the city of Vladivostok and the outskirts. the Japanese watch warily on the ketai and hastily rivet the tanks and zombie the kamikaze focused on fighting the yellow. nonetheless, they sit quietly and dream of a great Japanese civilization. maybe even some kind of pre-fool will come later and try to cover part of the Pacific Ocean while the amers are busy with their problems, but the Chinese are not interested anyway and they will flaunt indulgence in the world ocean.
          What do you think is theoretically possible such an outcome of events, if based on the current situation in the world?
          1. Egen
            Egen 11 June 2013 13: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: Gooch
            What do you think is theoretically possible such an outcome of events, if based on the current situation in the world

            Oleg Vereshchagin, if sclerosis does not change, there were several stories on this subject, but he writes fiction :)
            While there is nuclear weapons, ett is unlikely :)
          2. MstislavHrabr
            MstislavHrabr 11 June 2013 18: 01 New
            +1
            I propose another option. Russia carries out propaganda work in the media: emphasizing that it is a bulwark of the institution of a traditional family (not same-sex), morally puts itself above Europe (we must believe this and strive for it), develop infrastructure and industry within the country, establish tax incentives and fight against corruption.
            Count of nationality returns to passport. Russians (others at will) introduce a 1% tax on the Russian population, the funds of which will go to support Russian families with many children.
            Because of the invasion of Islamists, Europe begins to flee to the "East" ...
            China, USA, India, Vietnam are fighting for resources in the area of ​​the South China Sea, we supply weapons to all comers ...
      2. Egen
        Egen 11 June 2013 13: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Gooch
        Is there any America at all? Have any of you seen America, all these buildings, Americans, etc.?

        Countryman (like), I saw :) I already wrote a lot on the forum that ordinary Americans are normal people, and
        Quote: ATATA

        Our true enemies, world Zionists and their US puppet, are prepared to pay dearly for the conflict between China and the Russian Federation.
        - fair
        1. Gooch
          Gooch 11 June 2013 13: 26 New
          -3
          Quote: Egen
          Countryman (like), I saw :) I already wrote a lot on the forum that ordinary Americans are normal people, and

          I don’t understand, from what ends? :)
          How is it in America? What is there really a black negro president stole?
          1. Egen
            Egen 11 June 2013 13: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: Gooch
            I don’t understand, from what ends? :)

            I am from Kemerovo :) Taiga is near us :)
            I studied in the States and lived for a long time already, briefly: if you don't go anywhere, then calmly. You need to know the places :) But there are many places with blacks and others like them, they are generally ruined there, and recently, as my friends write to me, everything is only getting worse. And the centers of "quiet life" remain less and less. In general, ours is better :) Only, I think, without experiencing this, without comparing, you will not understand, that is why everyone is rushing somewhere "for a sweet life." For some, yes, it may happen, but not 100% fact. And then, the concept of "nostalgia" has not been canceled, and young people cannot understand this :(
            1. Gooch
              Gooch 11 June 2013 13: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: Egen
              I am from Kemerovo :) Taiga is near us :)

              aaa, I meant a biome characterized by a predominance of coniferous forests (mainly boreal species of spruce, fir, larch and pine). But it turns out there is such a settlement, I will consider it for the future)
      3. Very old
        Very old 12 June 2013 12: 05 New
        0
        Why anonymous? *
    4. ATATA
      ATATA 11 June 2013 10: 39 New
      +3
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Similar articles of a provocative nature were ordered overseas, and no one will convince me otherwise

      I am very glad that you understood this. drinks
  18. zvereok
    zvereok 11 June 2013 09: 49 New
    +2
    Yes, it seems we need to learn how to win and advance on two fronts, and God forbid, on three fronts - they will successfully defend themselves.

    And there is hope for diplomacy and nuclear weapons

    In the event of a conflict with NATO, China will try to chop off its own. Yes, and Japan can try.

    If not for nuclear weapons, we would have been torn to pieces long ago.
  19. Kolya
    Kolya 11 June 2013 09: 56 New
    +3
    What to do - finally stop buying Chinese! Tell me - And what to buy if there is nothing besides him. Ours will appear if you stop buying Chinese, and Kiaisky ceases to carry to us because nobody buys it. You make China prosperous yourself and then whine!
  20. ups
    ups 11 June 2013 10: 10 New
    +2
    This is my personal opinion, from the analysis of a large number of articles and information available on the Internet, I believe that all talk about the Chinese attacking us is a cool disinformation, the purpose of which is to create such a provocation. For starters, China has a lot of free land, the land of Russia in this region I would call with a stretch a tidbit. Further, what do you think the Chinese are stupid, the only and reliable way to supply China with energy, our pipelines. Anyone can close access by sea, but close supplies from Russia, only we. Further, and what superiority you write, there is only numerical, but our soldier always fought not by number, but by skill. The Chinese soldier, alas, only handsome in Google))) And the most important thing is that the hell always goes down, without aviation it is not possible to win in a modern war, and China still does not have its reliable engine. And do not forget about our allies, India and Vietnam, and these are serious trump cards.
    Minus the author, since I consider this article another provocation.
  21. Bezarius
    Bezarius 11 June 2013 10: 36 New
    +1
    Only the Russian people have a spirit of self-sacrifice. And actually fighting spirit is much more important than weapons or numbers. Have you already forgotten how our great-grandfathers bent a horde of opponents in a small amount? Forgot Stalingrad or Brest Fortress? No people will go to war with us on our land, for whoever comes with a sword will perish by the sword. But come on, I think you need to make constructive arguments.

    China is an important geopolitical opponent of the United States, as well as India. In the event of Chinese aggression against Russia (which will not happen), the whole world will take advantage of this to plunder China. Simply put, the 2 world scenario will be repeated. The whole world will be arming us with machines, so that we can stop China with our blood. By this, the USA and KO will immediately eliminate 2's geopolitical opponents. USA and KO, etc. will not help China under any circumstances, because to help China in the destruction of Russia is equivalent to digging a grave. China understands this more than well.

    So relax gentlemen. China will not fight with Russia, at least in the first place. The war of the USA and KO against China is much more likely. And the war of China against Russia is not beneficial not to China, nor to the United States and the CO, but as a result it is obviously losing.
    1. ups
      ups 11 June 2013 10: 42 New
      0
      Not only Russian, but also Belarusian))) I won’t believe anything if there is a provocation on our southern borders, for example, that Belarusians will not be with us.
  22. Yura
    Yura 11 June 2013 10: 38 New
    0
    We are waiting for the continuation of the article, and what kind of answer does the author prepare for us? Intrigue? Interesting.
  23. asadov
    asadov 11 June 2013 10: 51 New
    0
    As for the allies of India and Vietnam, I bet. If there is a mess, they will step aside.
  24. Jedi
    Jedi 11 June 2013 11: 00 New
    +1
    I would like to ask the author: maybe we are not "THE MOST GREAT AND TALENTED PEOPLE" if we allow ourselves to be ruled by corrupt bastards and traitors? Let's buy a merkel for an angel - let her write us a slesium. let's pay the prime minister of norway a lot, a lot of money, so that not we Norway, but Norway gave us a large piece of fish water. and how many hours after that, the Norwegian prime minister (together with the king) will be taken out of their offices by the Norwegians? and we endure all this and eat with a full spoon and at the same time stubbornly consider ourselves the greatest, talented and most powerful. urya-and-and glory to us !!!!!
  25. Vasily T.
    Vasily T. 11 June 2013 11: 02 New
    0
    In this matter, we need to cooperate with India and China at the same time. Only in this way, because they have a long-standing disagreement between themselves and this can be used. India is a good ally to restrain the dragon.
  26. pinecone
    pinecone 11 June 2013 11: 02 New
    +1
    The Chinese press, including official publications, periodically publish articles by "independent" authors discussing the "unfair" treaties signed by imperial China with tsarist Russia.
  27. Guun
    Guun 11 June 2013 11: 11 New
    +1
    You must always be on guard with China, but it is premature to consider it an enemy — sworn enemies from the west will take advantage, it will be like Germany — they will stupidly set off against each other. The West itself is pushing China to an arms race with it - for us it is a good fortune to catch up. The main thing is to be ready in the future.
  28. dominion
    dominion 11 June 2013 11: 24 New
    +1
    What is the point of this article? Scare? Only what's the use of being scared? We all understand the danger posed by China. Therefore, we need to prepare so that the next "June 22, 1941" does not catch us by surprise and we do everything right. And from this "rightly" the aggressor would cease to exist (well, or at least half of its population and territory).
  29. ed65b
    ed65b 11 June 2013 11: 27 New
    +1
    I’ll go to the forest to partisan.
  30. DimYang
    DimYang 11 June 2013 11: 49 New
    -1
    The only recipe for the Chinese from me is their uncompromising "etching" (I wrote this word because they can be accused of calling for genocide, in no case. Only external correction of their numbers). They shouldn't be up to the wall of China. This is only for Discovery and other Western channels "it is not clear" whose graves are found in those places that are older than any Chinese. I am not bloodthirsty, but I consider the Chinese locusts, and therefore we must act accordingly with them.
  31. DEfindER
    DEfindER 11 June 2013 11: 53 New
    0
    Let me tell you, China and the DPRK, like us, hate NATO

    The article is good, but doesn’t the author really think that in the case of Chinese aggression, will NATO help us? I think that they will be happy that China will solve their old dream for them, and then they will set Yap and Taiwanese on China, and they will beat from Afghanistan, so that they will have everything in a bunch .. again America is the most calm and peaceful country, everything money is all gold there ..
  32. cartridge
    cartridge 11 June 2013 12: 27 New
    +2
    While we have an absolute superiority over the Chinese in nuclear weapons and their means of delivery, it is not worth fearing the Middle Kingdom.
    And the second one. Today, in the face of growing military-political rivalry with the United States, China is vitally interested in the friendly attitude towards it from the northern neighbor.
    1. Gooch
      Gooch 11 June 2013 12: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: cartridge
      While we have an absolute superiority over the Chinese in nuclear weapons and their means of delivery, it is not worth fearing the Middle Kingdom.

      Nuclear weapons are not a panacea, the fact that you consider them to be possible suggests the opposite, that eastern Siberia and the Far East will not in fact stand up against the onslaught of the PLA
  33. individual
    individual 11 June 2013 12: 47 New
    +2
    Each of us "scrolled" in the head the thoughts stated in the publication.
    We are bitterly experiencing past events with the USSR.
    The main thing we have lost is ideology, and politics, like nature, does not tolerate emptiness.
    Fans of the western way of life filled the vacuum, sectarian preachers carrying models - which is similar for a Russian person.
    Therefore, we are protesting against Western tolerant licentiousness and are wary of the advent of China's eastern expansion and Muslim radicalism.
    Russia's path is one - to strengthen the economy and the armed forces.
    The author posed questions, but we are waiting for an answer.
    .
  34. silver_roman
    silver_roman 11 June 2013 12: 48 New
    0
    agree with the article. more than once I have expressed similar thoughts, but people who read and comment on this site do not like "defeatism" and are almost always skeptical, to put it mildly.
    It’s also regrettable. that we have always been preparing for a battle with the West and on this basis have achieved quite a few successes. At least we imagine their worldview and logic. China is a country with a completely different logic and way of life in general, and it is almost very difficult to predict, read, predict, predict. Moreover, they are very cruel. The same events in Domansky prove it. And I also completely agree on the account of their expansion, i.e. assimilation of our people by the Chinese, who literally flood the Far East, Transbaikalia, etc. By the way, they are full everywhere: Europe, in the States they are like dirt.
  35. True
    True 11 June 2013 12: 49 New
    -4
    Betrayal will always be betrayal. There was no point in drawing a new frontier. It was the blue of the Chinese
    1. MG42
      MG42 11 June 2013 13: 32 New
      +6
      That's who ruined Russia, so this is EBN ..
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 11 June 2013 13: 48 New
        +1
        Well, ebn certainly made a significant contribution, however, the islands of China were given under Putin, the shelves to the Norwegians under Putin, even the island of Tuzla was given to Ukraine under Putin. This also should not be forgotten
        1. MG42
          MG42 11 June 2013 14: 05 New
          +3
          Quote: fartfraer
          Shelves to the Norwegians under Putin, even the Tuzla island was given to Ukraine under Putin.


          Strange you write the name of your president with a small letter belay

          Do not confuse anything? The shelf was given under Medvedev, and Tuzla is another story altogether

          Comments on the head of the Institute of CIS countries Konstantin Zatulin.

          - In 2003, they made such a fuss around Tuzla, and now are we giving it away without a fight?

          - It seems to me that the conflict around Tuzla was played to some extent. Ukraine was on the verge of the "orange revolution". Kuchma did not want to take responsibility for any compromises with Russia, because it was clear that Russia would not infringe on its interests. Perhaps Kuchma convinced Putin to make noise around Tuzla, only to show later that they seem to have reached a compromise. And they reached it - only now.

          - That is, we did not need Tuzla?

          - All that was needed from the very beginning was water sharing. And now at the level of declarations of Putin and Yanukovych, this is fixed. Russia, like Ukraine, has a “key right” to the Kerch Strait. That is, it has the right to veto ships crossing the water area, be it NATO ships or any others.

          - But now, they say, Russia will also pay for entry into the strait.

          - Russia will pay, the entrance is always accompanied by some fees, the main thing is that these funds do not heat up your hands, so that they are spent on the same strait - cleaning and so on.
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 11 June 2013 14: 19 New
            -1
            Putin will not be offended. Regarding the territories handed down during the Medvedev period, it was Putin who nominated him in his place and supported his candidacy, but China gave the islands precisely under Putin.
            Well, about Tuzla, the main thing is "Russia will pay, the entrance is always accompanied by some fees." We are ready to pay, but please clean the straits. And if you don't give up the island and clean it yourself, it will be more expensive?
            1. MG42
              MG42 11 June 2013 14: 34 New
              +3
              And if? Zatulin clearly answered the answer above.
              1. fartfraer
                fartfraer 11 June 2013 15: 45 New
                0
                well, if anything, then a certain mg came to me with a small letter, so not him to teach me, right?
                Well, with regards to the answers, so you answered too, everything is clear. I made one conclusion (from your answer, quote?) - it is easier to give than to keep in order.
                1. MG42
                  MG42 11 June 2013 15: 52 New
                  0
                  Andrew, you even write your name with a little in your profile, now it’s clear = this is your corporate identity. I didn’t look right away, sorry hi
                  1. fartfraer
                    fartfraer 11 June 2013 17: 34 New
                    0
                    Well, probably after all, not "Andrew", but Andrey. Leave this familiarity to your friends, you can contact me by name, nickname, or simply "you", or not at all.
                    1. fartfraer
                      fartfraer 11 June 2013 17: 35 New
                      0
                      By the way, do you want to say anything about the territories given to Putin? Or was he not to blame here?
                      1. MG42
                        MG42 11 June 2013 17: 45 New
                        +2
                        Quote: fartfraer
                        do not want to say anything about the territories given to Putin?

                        I already wrote that Medvedev gave the shelf, but you need it to be Putin, and Gaddafi also did not help Putin? maybe there was another president?
                        Medvedev and the point. Putin was the prime minister. Who really steered then in the Kremlin is another story.
                        Damn, I already took over the experience with the question to the question, uzhos .. we are getting older, getting older .. recourse
                      2. fartfraer
                        fartfraer 11 June 2013 18: 03 New
                        0
                        I repeat once again, the islands of China (on the Amur) were given to Putin as president. That's it on this issue that I am waiting for your comment, and not on the shelves.
                        I don’t even ask you to express your opinion on Putin’s support for Medvedev (in the elections when Medvedev became president), but I just want to find out from you, how do you feel about the president who gave the territories?
                      3. MG42
                        MG42 11 June 2013 18: 29 New
                        +2
                        In Ukraine, something similar to us, the Romanians seized the shelf near the Snake Island, naturally, no one was brought to justice ..
                        Quote: fartfraer
                        , not offshore.

                        well move away from the shelf ...
                        Quote: fartfraer
                        What should be the attitude of the president who gave away the territories?

                        You need to be treated like a president, the head of a large state, legally elected by the majority of the population of Russia and you must respect this choice .. everything else is secondary ..
                        other <labels> can be voiced only by a citizen of the Russian Federation, but not everyone will do this, more typical of the opposition, which is also presented here on the forum ..

                        Under EBN, there was separatism in Tatarstan and Chechnya and in other subjects of the Federation, under Putin now everything is more or less under control from Moscow .. hi
                        Of course, giving up territory is not good, especially to China, for example, border guards fought for Damansky at one time when China tried to "pinch off" a piece of the territory of the USSR and gave them a good light.
                      4. fartfraer
                        fartfraer 11 June 2013 19: 07 New
                        0
                        note the legitimacy of Putin, I do not question. just some (not you, at least not in this post) forget that under him the Russian Federation reduced the territory. And this should not be forgotten.
                        separatism and now periodically manifests itself in many places, but the fact that terrorist acts and shelling from Chechnya moved to Dagestan is not entirely possible to attribute to the category of "merits" of the president. It seems to me so.
                      5. fartfraer
                        fartfraer 11 June 2013 19: 11 New
                        0
                        okay, I think we (well, I’m for sure) started off the topic of the post flood. I hope to meet you in a post about the analysis of Putin’s rule (not only cons, there are pluses. the question just "outweighs") I hope we will see such a post sooner or later- not political, but objective, "outside view" so to speak. hi
  • Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 11 June 2013 12: 51 New
    +1
    Nerd that the article was written at least once in the Far East or in Siberia was eh? Not here there are not any crowds of Chinese and there will not be.
    1. rus9875
      rus9875 11 June 2013 13: 30 New
      +2
      You may not have, but the Krasnodar Territory is full - they build greenhouses and grow chemical tomatoes, and this is on land where there are a lot of their own farmers, but try to lease land there - nothing will work out Surely half of it works for Chinese intelligence It would be time for a long time understand - the war with China is inevitable, the only question is when exactly it will begin. The Chinese simply have nowhere to go except to the "northern lands" - maybe someone does not know - that is how they call the territory of Siberia and the Far East. And you shouldn't count on past victories - and in 1812 and 1945 our society had not yet been morally corrupted to such an extent by "democratic values" and was not so divided along material, ethnic, religious lines as it is now. We have been living in another country for a long time, it’s time to understand this. And to count on nuclear weapons also not worth it - if a full-scale conflict really begins, then the Chinese will instantly crush our troops in the eastern part of the country and will have to use nuclear weapons I am on my territory, and they have it, and no one knows in what state and quantity it cannot be ruled out that in this they have already overtaken us The ideal solution is to pit them with the Japanese whom they hate genetically and then help them in their struggle But unfortunately we usually don't succeed in such tricky moves, we prefer to butt ourselves with the whole world
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov 12 June 2013 12: 12 New
        0
        Ale pancake where is Krasnodar, and where is Siberia and two? I live here, and for all the time I saw only young Chinese students, and the women were sleepy. They are trying to jump out for anyone, so as not to go back to China.
  • OLGRIN
    OLGRIN 11 June 2013 12: 56 New
    +5
    I often travel to China, visited India.
    In China, many times ordinary people on the street in shops told me: Russians and Chinese are brothers! On their monuments, even the ancients write in Chinese, English and Russian. Very often, signs in stores in Russian. Has anyone been to Hainan? They only know English in cool hotels, and in Russian you can always explain everywhere. I want to visit the former Port Arthur (I have a great-grandfather, the hero of Port Arthur), they say the Russian Garden and the cemetery are in perfect order there.
    There in parks and squares, as we have before in the Union, orchestras and sports sections are free. They are hard workers, they have clean and smart building, they said it was worse before.
    In India, everything is just the opposite, and besides the fact that poverty and stench are everywhere, they are English givers and their ears grow from there. They also do it, and they do not respect the Russian passport. And at the border, smiling broadly in Russian, they will not say "Welcome!" Only our tips are loved, because we don't screw up. Who invented them as allies? It is necessary to use them, this is a market for the sale of weapons. What I saw in India gives me a reason to think that they don't need our problems, they have enough of their own.
    As a person born in the USSR, China is closer and more soulful to me than India.
    Only I always remember about Damansky and Zaysan.
    1. Guun
      Guun 11 June 2013 17: 17 New
      +1
      Exactly. Now they will overcome poverty at home (they are already raising their salaries and putting priority on the domestic market - we will soon see that there will not be many poor.) China is a country that has made a huge leap over 20 years. I haven’t been to India. When I saw Shanghai - I was shocked, they really talk about him as a model of the city of the future.
  • True
    True 11 June 2013 13: 03 New
    +1
    Let's not forget. We will not forgive. After Damansky, there was a second "border demarcation"
  • crush
    crush 11 June 2013 13: 29 New
    -1
    Slavs by nationality
    -----------------------
    such nationality does not exist. Another article of the patient on his head
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 11 June 2013 13: 40 New
    +1
    Be afraid or not be afraid of China ... the United States or other countries, everyone's business, but the fact is one - Napoleon's expression is always unquestioning: "If a country does not feed its army, it will soon be forced to feed someone else's."

    So the author asked what to do, one thing is clear, to arm and prepare for any potential enemy.
  • MG42
    MG42 11 June 2013 13: 41 New
    +2
    Let me tell you, China and the DPRK, like us, hate NATO. And that is our salvation. Maybe you’ll figure it out yourself, I suggest before the publication of my second article about the Chinese threat

    Yes, they hate the Japs and South Korea, but China also glances at the northern territories, it needs land and resources, forest, gas, oil = everything is there, given the numerical superiority of the noack and constant modernization = this is a big problem, unless nuclear shield protection from such neighbors, but China also has nuclear weapons and is building it now ..
  • True
    True 11 June 2013 13: 48 New
    0
    In those years, Mao put forward a global goal: "We must conquer the globe ... In my opinion, the most important thing is our globe, where we will create a powerful state." Here is a list of “lost territories”: Burma, Laos, Vietnam, Nepal, Bhutan, northern India, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Korea, the Ryukyu Islands, 300 islands of the South China, East China and Yellow Seas, Kyrgyzstan, South Kazakhstan, Afghan Badakhshan province, Mongolia, Transbaikalia and the south of the Far East up to Okhotsk. "Lost territories" amount to more than 10 million square meters. km This exceeds the territory of China (9,6 million sq. Km). No other state in the world makes such claims.

    In the picture terr. claims to Vietnam. Nekhilo, right?
  • Black
    Black 11 June 2013 14: 11 New
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    China is extremely vulnerable in a war with an army that has strategic carriers. No one in China needs millions of losses.
    1. MG42
      MG42 11 June 2013 14: 47 New
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      The population density of China depends mainly on the terrain, but this does not mean that the land is also concentrated there .. China has had nuclear weapons since 1964, and
      Chem. weapons ..
      Of the top five nuclear powers only china in 2012 expanded its nuclear potential. This is stated in the report of the Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).
      1. Check
        Check 11 June 2013 17: 07 New
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        albeit so, but he is still far from our potentials. moreover, it is not profitable for him to lose his only loyal partner to him. for the invasion of the Russian Federation will pay all that it has. and not beaten like that.
  • nezloy
    nezloy 11 June 2013 14: 17 New
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    The reason for the collapse of the Russian Empire and the USSR is one - the ignorance of the metropolitan elite. Her stupidity and political myopia. The Romanovs conducted an experiment that was supposed to fail years later. The unified unified. Here in the USA, where once there were numerous Iroquois? Apache Where are the Slavic Slavs of Germany? Where are the Prussians? And we have all the upside down ...
  • MG42
    MG42 11 June 2013 15: 10 New
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    Russian channel Ren-TV considers this threat >>
  • kazssr
    kazssr 11 June 2013 15: 28 New
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    if China defeats Russia (just purely from the world of fiction), then they will remain face to face with NATO. but NATO will immediately devour them after that, since after the war with Russia they will get tired (losses in equipment, people, etc.) will prevent China's gringo from rising to a superpower. and therefore they need friendship with Russia. and it is unlikely that she will eat gringo
    1. MG42
      MG42 11 June 2013 15: 46 New
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      Quote: kazssr
      just purely from the world of fiction) then they will remain face to face with NATO

      First of all, China needs territory and resources, the Russian Federation has a nuclear shield that holds it back, but how long the issue will last, because it is also building up its potential and faster than Russia ..
      On the other hand, considering its fantastic version of aggression, it’s easier to invade Central Asia, and nuclear weapons are not there ..

      Its neighbors India, Pakistan and the DPRK have nuclear weapons ..
      Also, China is the largest holder of American candy wrappers, it has more than a trillion of them ... the USA does not really want to "butt" with it too .. a lot of all kinds of investments ..
  • NickitaDembelnulsa
    NickitaDembelnulsa 11 June 2013 15: 30 New
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    Well, about the fact that you need to go one river - the author is not right. Siberia is surrounded by mountains, one road to each direction (one to the east. Siberia, one to the Transbaikalia, one to the Far East). And it will not be difficult to block these roads, which are mostly in the mountains. A huge Chinese armada will be useless under such conditions, it will simply be stopped and will be hollowed until they depart. There are forces to hammer them. Not so big, but there are. Motorized rifle division and tank brigade in Kyakhta (Russian-Mongolian border), Many units in Transbaikalia and Primorye. And to all this - medium-range Tu-22M3 bombers (Belaya airbase, Irkutsk region), which at a speed of 2200-2400 km / h, quickly reached the Chinese borders, and Ukrainka airbase, on which the Tu-95 missile carriers are located. The enemy will be stopped. On our side is a difficult and impassable Siberian terrain, and a powerful nuclear skeleton. So sho is not necessary here ... And in general, there is no need to fight with China. You have to be friends with him! Yes, and we have one enemy. While probable of course, and let it remain so. Russian with Chinese - brothers forever!
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 11 June 2013 15: 51 New
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      strange you are "planning" possible events. China has enough aviation that you do not take into account. Can you tell us about the air defense system in Siberia and the Far East?
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 12 June 2013 10: 41 New
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        a lot of minuses, as expected. Learn the geography (first) dear. Amur river is not mountain at all.
        Well, for dessert, nobody explained what China’s aviation will do at a time when our air forces will be slaughtering their advancing troops? What does it mean that it’s the same aviation that will set three of its own against its fighter (minimum). )
        cap-heroes, except for nuclear weapons, the Russian Federation has no leverage against China
  • Specialsog
    Specialsog 11 June 2013 16: 03 New
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    You may not have, but the Krasnodar Territory is full - they build greenhouses and grow chemical tomatoes, and this is on land where there are a lot of their own farmers, but try to lease land there - nothing will work out Surely half of it works for Chinese intelligence It would be time for a long time understand - the war with China is inevitable, the only question is when exactly it will begin. The Chinese simply have nowhere to go except to the "northern lands" - maybe someone does not know - that is how they call the territory of Siberia and the Far East. And you shouldn't count on past victories - and in 1812 and 1945 our society had not yet been morally corrupted to such an extent by "democratic values" and was not so divided along material, ethnic, religious lines as it is now. We have been living in another country for a long time, it’s time to understand this. And to count on nuclear weapons also not worth it - if a full-scale conflict really begins, then the Chinese will instantly crush our troops in the eastern part of the country and will have to use nuclear weapons I am on my territory, and they have it, and no one knows in what state and quantity it cannot be ruled out that in this they have already overtaken us The ideal solution is to pit them with the Japanese whom they hate genetically and then help them in their struggle But unfortunately we usually don't succeed in such tricky moves, we prefer to butt ourselves with the whole world

    fully support
  • DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 11 June 2013 16: 55 New
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    IN THE USSR UNDERSTAND THAT CHINA ENEMY No. 1 !! THEREFORE, THE BORDER WITH CHINA WAS ON THE CASTLE !! BAM was built for defense against China. the number of troops of the USSR in the Transbaikalia is more than 1.5 million people. AND EVEN THEN. THE 70S KNEW THAT WAR WILL BE VERY SEVERE
    1. Guun
      Guun 11 June 2013 17: 25 New
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      If there is a war, then it will be very difficult - half of China will disappear, at least. Do you think they have fools there? They will not make the mistake of Napoleon, Hitler - after all, no one has captured Russia by the sword (I don’t believe about the Mongol yoke). They are successfully conducting peaceful expansion - they work - they multiply. In Volgograd, the main farmers are Chinese! At present, people from Africa and Asia show good demographics.
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 11 June 2013 17: 01 New
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    I believe that the use of force by the Chinese in the Far East is currently unreasonable situation at the moment they are more blunt than we are happy with the resources they need us plus consumerless expansion of Russia and the rest of the world too! and right now there is only intimidation by a gigantic army that uses current against us in the most extreme situation when everything goes completely wrong! After all, Yao Echo has undone! Yes, and with America they have a lot more problems right now than are very closely connected with us economically, in fact, they are ideological enemies fighting for spheres of influence in the eastern region! war with China is inevitable but far from the fact that it will be precisely the war of China against Russia, as our Russians would very much like to invade the Far East (Chinese), the Chinese will inevitably plague the war on two fronts, this is a favorite scenario for amers who have their plans to this tidbit! pushing their foreheads and thereby disinfecting the 2 strongest armies in the region! having cleared the boundless northern lands and even with the hands of enemies !! Yes, it's just a DREAM GIFT for amers !! the Chinese understand this perfectly so that friendship with Russia suits them right now much more than a war for resources! and this poradox allows more or less to maintain peace in the Far Eastern region. to me personally, the hardworking Chinese are more to their liking than the parasitic ideology of underworld corporations, but how it all turns out to be difficult right now to predict anyway, you have to be ready for everything !!!