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China is ready for a big war

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China is ready for a big warArmy of the Middle Kingdom is re-equipped with modern technology and conducts offensive exercises


In articles "Overlord" in Peking style "," The logic of the Chinese sea wall "and" Attack of the Chinese aviation industry "weekly" MIC "has already reviewed the current state of the Chinese Navy and Air Force. They noted the rapid growth of the combat capabilities of the country in the last decade. It was also said that in Russia and in the West there is a very popular myth that China still produces poor quality military equipment, in addition, in small batches.

It is well known that the production of equipment in small batches is simply unprofitable economically (after all, the more units of production are made, the cheaper each unit is) and completely senseless in military terms. If there is little technology, each sample becomes gold both economically and militarily. But since this practice is now being demonstrated by Russia and Europe, they believe that China behaves the same way. In fact, in the People's Republic of China, it has been accepted for a long time to experiment with various types of equipment of the same class, choosing the optimal sample and eliminating various disadvantages. These experimental samples are really produced in small batches. In this case, the Chinese follow their principle of “crossing the river, feeling for the stones”, according to which their reforms are carried out. Having achieved the optimum, from their point of view, result, they switch to mass production of the most successful sample. This mass that neither Europe nor Russia never dreamed of.

It is necessary to note one more fact. If a military conflict between China and the United States happens, it will occur at sea and in the air. Accordingly, in American and Western publications in general, the maximum attention is paid to the development of the PLA Navy and Air Force. In Russia, these western sources simply correspond, which is somewhat strange. After all, we have a land border with China with a length of 4,3 thousands of kilometers. Moreover, China’s significant territorial claims on the Russian Federation have not gone away.

With the ground forces of the PLA, the same thing happens with the air force and navy: a rapid qualitative update, while maintaining quantitative indicators.

Replacement tanks full swing

Despite significant reductions in the number of personnel in the 80-ies, the PLA still remains the largest in the world in terms of this indicator, having improved dramatically qualitatively. Thanks to a huge excess of recruiting resources, the peacetime army combines the merits of a mercenary and a conscript. On the one hand, citizens go to serve for their homeland, and not for money (by conscription), on the other hand, the surplus people allow them to choose the best for service (that is, primarily urban youths), many of them then remain serving under contract. Those young people who were not drafted into the PLA (as a rule, from the countryside, with a low level of education) are undergoing primary military training and should obviously form a mass army in case of a major war. For the sake of it, in China, the mobilization system is fully preserved (in relation to both the population and industry). For a similar reason, most of the PLA ground forces formations remain divisions. Only a small number of them reformed into brigades. The latter are designed to wage local wars, but the basis is the divisions intended for large-scale war.

“Thanks to a huge excess of recruiting resources, the Chinese peacetime army combines the advantages of hired and conscription”
For the same big war today, China is creating the world's largest tank park. Here I would like to remind once again that it is impossible to conduct a normal war without tanks. This truism has to be repeated because the tank is regularly “buried”, claiming that it is outdated. These statements contain a deep internal contradiction, which for some reason no one notices. From the point of view of the "grave-diggers" of the tank, it is outdated because it has become too vulnerable, no other charges are brought against the tank. Indeed, billions of dollars are being invested in the development of anti-tank funds around the world, and a lot of them have been created. The point, however, is that any other class of ground equipment is one or two orders of magnitude more vulnerable than a tank. If a tank is outdated due to vulnerability, it means that a ground war can no longer be waged at all. What can hardly be discussed seriously. There is nothing comparable to a tank in terms of combining firepower, mobility and security. "MIC" wrote in detail about this in the article "On the" funeral "of tanks is out of the question." It also discussed in detail the state of the Chinese tank park. The troops have already received at least four thousand modern tanks Ture-96 and Ture-99, and the replacement of old ones with new ones is based on the “one-to-one” principle. That is, a radical qualitative update does not lead to quantitative reductions. Machines Toure-96 / 96А have already arrived in all seven military districts of the PLA, Toure-99 - so far only in three districts: Shenyang, Beijing and Lanzhou (precisely those that are adjacent to the borders with Russia). However, they will also gradually appear in all districts, although in our literature it is still possible to meet the phrase that this tank in limited quantities comes only to elite units. How many elite parts are now in the PLA ...

It is necessary to note the fact that in May 2012 of the year during the battles for the controversial city of Heglig the tanks Ture-96 of the Sun of Sudan destroyed at least four T-72 of South Sudan (bought by this country in Ukraine) without any loss from their side. Thus, the most massive Chinese tanks, at least, are not inferior to those of the most massive Russian. It is hardly possible to explain the outcome of Heglig’s battles with poor training of South Sudanese tankers, for there is no reason to believe that Sudanese tank crews are better trained. Of course, it can be assumed that the Toure-96 crews consisted of Chinese, but then the T-72 crews could well have been staffed by Eastern Slavs ...

The most powerful MLRS

The Chinese have created a whole family of amphibious combat vehicles led by the WZ-502 BMP (aka ZBD-04), on which the tower is mounted from our BMP-3 (the Marine Corps has already received such machines before), their production continues. Naturally, the fact of amphibiousness was unequivocally regarded by all the experts in the light of the preparation for the landing force on Taiwan, although these vehicles can successfully cross, for example, Amur and Ussuri. However, then in the PLA noticed that amphibiousness leads to a weakening of security. After that a new modification of this BMP was created - WZ-300G. Due to the increased armor protection, it no longer floats. But, according to Chinese sources, the WZ-502G turret, as well as the hull forehead, withstand an 502-mm armor-piercing projectile from a distance of one kilometer, and the hull sides - 30-mm ammunition from 14,5 meters. By an interesting coincidence, the 200 millimeters is the caliber of the 30А2 gun, which is the main weapon of the Russian BMP-42. For reference: the American BMP "Bradley" installed 2-mm gun M25. And the 242 millimeter is a unique caliber. He has only one machine gun in the world - our KPVT, the main armament of all domestic armored personnel carriers. The maximum caliber of western machine guns - 14,5 millimeter.

In addition to the newest BMPs, various armored personnel carriers and armored cars, including, interestingly, built using MRAP technology, that is, intended for counterguerrilla wars, are being commissioned by the PLA.

Barrel artillery is developing rapidly. In particular, the 155-millimeter SAU PLZ-05 comes into service (at least 250 units have already been received).

Traditionally, the main strength of the ground forces of the PLA is rocket artillery. The country has created many samples of multiple rocket launcher systems (MLRS), both on the basis of Soviet and fully own. It is logical that China developed the most powerful and long-range MLRS in the world - WS-2 (6х400 mm), the first modifications of which have a firing range of 200 kilometers, and the last (WS-2D) - 350 – 400 kilometers. Neither the American MRLS and HIMARS, nor our "Smerch" is even close at TTX to WS-2.

In general, the use of MLRS for ground-based area targets is much more profitable than the use of them aviation. Indeed, there is no risk of losing an extremely expensive aircraft and even more expensive crew training, and very expensive fuel is also not wasted. Only ammunition is consumed, and even they are cheaper at the MLRS than aviation. The insufficient accuracy of the MLRS firing is compensated by the large number of shells fired in one salvo. In addition, now and MLRS shells are being adjusted. In particular, this applies to shells WS-2. Moreover, each launcher of this MLRS will have a personal reconnaissance drone, which will further increase firing accuracy. MLRS are also significantly superior to tactical missiles in combat power at a much lower cost of shells. The main drawback of the MLRS compared with aviation and TR has traditionally been considered an insufficient firing range. But now the Chinese have eliminated this shortcoming.

It should be noted that WS-2D from the depths of Manchuria can instantly destroy all parts of the RF Armed Forces in the areas of Vladivostok - Ussuriysk, Khabarovsk and Blagoveshchensk - Belogorsk. And from the border areas of Manchuria (but still from Chinese territory) this MLRS will destroy Russian troops and air bases in the Chita area and strategic enterprises of Komsomolsk-on-Amur. In this case, small-sized projectiles WS-2D have a hypersonic speed, their flight time, even at the maximum range does not exceed five minutes. Russian air defense is not something to hit, even to detect them will not be able to. Moreover, it will be absolutely impossible to detect the deployment of the MLRS in Chinese territory, since their launchers resemble ordinary trucks (even the guides have a box-like shape very suitable for masking under the truck body). And this is not a defensive, but a purely percussive, offensive system. The American "Tomahawks", of course, have a much longer range, but their speed is subsonic, so the flight time to the maximum range is not five minutes, but two hours. In addition, their PU (cruisers and destroyers) certainly do not mean that you can not disguise. There is nothing even NATO countries have even remotely comparable in TTX with WS-2.

Until recently, the weak side of the PLA ground forces was the absence of a full-fledged attack helicopter. Z-9, created on the basis of the French "Dauphin", could be considered as such only very conditionally. But now this problem has been overcome, the WZ-10 technology developed with the use of both Russian and Western technologies is coming into service (there are already 60 machines, production continues).

Large-scale maneuvers

Very interesting are the teachings of the ground forces of the PLA. In September 2006 of the year, China conducted the unprecedented exercises of the Shenyang and Beijing military districts of the PLA, two of the seven most powerful in their potential. These districts are adjacent to the border with Russia in its eastern section, the length of which is 4,3 thousands of kilometers. During the exercises, units of the Shenyang Military District made a shot at a distance of 1000 kilometers to the territory of the Beijing Military District, where they conducted a training battle with parts of this district. The redeployment was carried out both under its own power and by rail. The objectives of the exercise were the development of maneuvering skills by army units at a great distance from the bases and increasing the level of control of the logistics of the troops.

In 2009, these trends were further developed. The largest in scale in its stories Kuyae-2009 military exercises. They were held on the territory of four military districts - Shenyang, Lanzhou, Jinan and Guangzhou. Up to 50 of thousands of army and air force soldiers, more than six thousand vehicles took part in them. During the maneuvers, the troops overcame a total of 50 thousands of kilometers. In particular, four combined-arms divisions marched (by rail, and then on their own) over a distance of two thousand kilometers. At the exercises, joint actions of all types of troops in the conditions of modern warfare were practiced. One of the objectives of the maneuvers was to check the latest weapons systems, as well as the operability of the Beidou national navigation satellite system being developed by China - an analogue of the American GPS.

It is quite obvious that such a scenario of the exercises obviously has nothing to do with the seizure of Taiwan, or to repel aggression from the United States. The seizure of Taiwan would be an airborne assault operation, while the size of the land theater of military operations (theater of operations) on the island is very small, its width from west to east does not exceed 150 kilometers, respectively, thousand-kilometer marches are impossible there. In addition, the troops of the Nanking Military Institution did not participate in the exercises, which are oriented to actions against Taiwan.

The aggression on the part of the United States, even if one imagines it, can only have the character of a high-precision strike from the sea and air. weapons in order to destroy the military and economic potential of the PRC. Actions on land for the United States would be suicidal because of the gigantic numerical superiority of the PLA, while being completely meaningless from a military, political and economic point of view.

Moreover, China cannot expect aggression from any other country, since such an attack would be for the invader the most effective and fastest way to suicide. Therefore, it does not make any sense to conduct strategic-scale exercises for practicing defense tasks; such tasks simply do not stand before the PLA. This is understandable to the PLA commanders, so the exercises are practiced not defensive, but offensive actions.

It is obvious that for solving internal tasks such operations are also deliberately redundant; separatism in Xinjiang and Tibet does not create problems for Beijing on such a scale that their solution required the transfer and deployment of large army units. Social unrest is also limited so far, although the country's leadership feared their expansion due to the economic crisis. The main thing is that military maneuvers against the army, rather than counterguerrilla war and the suppression of internal unrest, were practiced at the exercises.

Accordingly, the question arises: with which army do the ground forces and the PLA Air Force intend to wage war using the most modern combat technology, satellite navigation system and other advanced combat support systems?

It should be noted that offensive operations are possible only in Russia and Kazakhstan to a depth of two thousand kilometers. In Southeast Asia, the depth of the theater as a whole does not exceed 1,5 thousands of kilometers, on the Korean Peninsula is no more than 750 kilometers. In addition, the locality where the exercises were held, most of all, in terms of its physiographic conditions, corresponds to the regions of Central Asia, the Far East and Transbaikalia, and not South-East Asia.

Moreover, in the winter of 2012 – 2013, the forces of Shenyang and Beijing IN conducted a series of exercises with extensive use of armored vehicles and artillery in conditions of extremely low temperatures and deep snow cover. There is absolutely nothing to do with Taiwan or Southeast Asia ...
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  1. sevtrash
    sevtrash 12 June 2013 07: 51 New
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    With conventional weapons, the Russian army has no chance against China, it seems that this is unambiguous, and not only in quantitative terms, but also in qualitative terms. Only nuclear deterrence, as with the United States.
    And so - the money for defense needs to be concentrated precisely in the Strategic Missile Forces, everything else is not affordable.
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 12 June 2013 08: 29 New
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      That is why we have a strategic nuclear forces, and China, given its geography, unlike Russia and the United States, has a very high vulnerability to this type of weapon. Yes, and it makes no sense for them to fight with us, trade with Russia for China brings more than confrontation. Although after some period of time, it is quite possible that something will change.
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        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 12 June 2013 11: 21 New
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          Quote: optimist
          Hence the conclusion: continue to placate the Chinese "dragon"

          In Russian folk tales, the stupid king all the time cajoled the dragon (the mountain snake), made sacrifices. But always there was someone (the hero, Ivan the Fool, etc.) who successfully cut off the dragon's head or head and became the king.
          So the fate of China (the dragon) will be unenviable, you can take my word for it. I never lie.
          1. optimist
            optimist 12 June 2013 12: 52 New
            +5
            As I recall, Ivan the Fool also helped pike! laughing But seriously ... The adage that fools are always lucky is no longer relevant. And to continue to amuse ourselves with the naive thought that we are so tough and formidable that we will give anyone we love, beyond stupidity. Let's face it: the only thing (in which case) we can oppose the narrow-eyed is nuclear weapons. But I am not very sure that the current leadership of Russia will have the courage to press the "red button" ... Even if we press, the whole world will completely cleanse us ... The Americans will never fight us directly. As they set Hitler on us, so now they will set China on us.
            1. Karabu
              Karabu 12 June 2013 13: 20 New
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              Quote: author
              It is quite obvious that such a scenario of exercises is obviously not related either to the seizure of Taiwan or to the repulsion of US aggression.

              just as it is obvious that thousands of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles are not for war in the Pacific. Putin denies the so-called “Chinese threat”.
              once again I am convinced that everything has a price. including homeland
              1. d_trader
                d_trader 12 June 2013 16: 08 New
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                Quote: Karabu
                Putin denies the so-called "Chinese threat."
                What do you want Putin to say that China is grinding its teeth on us? At the same time, will he bail all Russian-Chinese endeavors, will delight the Americans that their policy is bearing fruit and will show the whole world that Russia has a new enemy in the face of a billion narrow-eyed?
            2. Blackgrifon
              Blackgrifon 13 June 2013 00: 27 New
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              Not - they themselves feel sorry for such a quantity of resources in Siberia to give to the Chinese - another thing is that if one of them wants to solve the issue with us by military means, then they will have to fight on several fronts (if the Armed Forces have time to form them and will not be destroyed by a sudden massive blow). And if in relation to the West there is still at least some chance of a draw (the ratio of numbers and geographical location, coupled with the consequences of reforms), then in the East there is nothing to do without WMDs.
        2. antispam
          antispam 12 June 2013 14: 48 New
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          While the United States of America is alive, Russia should not particularly worry about the Far East and Siberia. The Americans will not allow the Chinese to grab such a tidbit.
          1. albert
            albert 12 June 2013 21: 34 New
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            I completely agree. Yes, and Japan should not be debited.
          2. Karabu
            Karabu 12 June 2013 23: 09 New
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            would you at least have thought what to write and what to read.
            Quote: antispam
            While the United States of America is alive, Russia should not particularly worry about the Far East and Siberia. The Americans will not allow the Chinese to grab such a tidbit.

            it follows from this logic that Russia is alive while the United States gives the go-ahead
            Quote: antispam
            What do you want Putin to say that China is grinding its teeth on us? At the same time, it will poher all Russian-Chinese undertakings, it will delight the Americans that their policy is bearing fruit

            no, it is better to continue to lie to your people, hand over a piece of land and technology, open up the borders, disband the troops and at the same time with a smile, "good, everything will be fine"
      2. cartridge
        cartridge 12 June 2013 13: 35 New
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        The author of the article, Alexander Khramchikhin, who did not serve as a representative of the "Pepsi generation", was a supporter and servant of the Yeltsin gang from an early age, who later positioned and realized himself as a conductor of right-wing liberal pro-American ideas and theories in the Russian media.
        The Chinese threat is the idea of ​​fixing all published materials by Khramchikhin. Look on the net for its publication, and in almost every red thread there is a theme of the Chinese military threat.
        This subject sees the present and future of Russia, its army, economy and society exclusively through the darkest glasses.
        According to Khramchikhin, only the USA can save us from imminent death. But this salvation, in his conviction, we must earn or beg the Americans at the cost of unprecedented concessions both in the foreign policy arena and by changing the internal structure of Russia according to the scenario proposed by the White House.
        This material does not stand out and does not differ from the usual pro-American and anti-Chinese propaganda of the temple.
        1. xtur
          xtur 12 June 2013 16: 45 New
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          Iskander may well withstand the Chinese multiple launch rocket system - it flies further, the accuracy is not comparable, the mass of the warhead is more than two times that of a ws-2d missile.
          That is, a volley of iskanders is quite more destructive than a volley of ws-2d and flies on.
          So the author clearly escalates fears
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 13 June 2013 01: 49 New
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          Quote: cartridge
          This material does not stand out and does not differ from the usual pro-American and anti-Chinese propaganda of the temple.

          Dear forum users, which of you has more complete and reliable information about the PLA, political priorities and practical steps in the m-arena of the Chinese leadership than the GRU of the RF Armed Forces, I urgently inform the President of the Russian Federation-Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces for immediate consideration of the issue at the Council Security and proofs of the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation. In the meantime our views are concentrated in this document.
          1: The military doctrine clearly defines that the main threat to the security of the Russian Federation comes from NATO (USA) and its expansion, approaching the borders of the Russian Federation, and not from China.
          2. With the collapse of the USSR and after the 20 summer domination of the democrats, the States dismissed the Russian Federation from the category of Super Powers, defining us the role of regional leader. The role of the Superpower-2 really began to claim China. The policy of the Anglo-Saxons is as old as the world: to do everything to ruin a country that claims to be a world leader and really threatens the hegemony of the States. The USSR fell, the next in line is the PRC.
          3. Faithful centuries-old tradition of raking in heat with the wrong hands, Anglo-Saxons began to look for an ally against China. They remembered Russia, but the Russian Federation did not want to carry chestnuts from the fire for the Yankees, but decided to be friends with the PRC against the United States. Therefore, the Russian Federation and the Peoples Republic of China have come forward as a united front against the American resolution on Iran and Syria.
          4. In order to weaken the PRC, the States began to pull the Russian Federation to their side. Did not work out. Now - stage quarrel, create mistrust and play off the Russian Federation and China. The path is a change in public opinion in countries, then a provocation, preferably with human casualties. And the former allies are already looking at each other through the slot of the sight.
          5.What connects the Russian Federation and China? Military-technical cooperation (SU-35, 636 ave., Other MBTs, training of troops of the paratrooper paratroopers, etc.), an agreed course in the m-arena (resolutions on Syria, Iran), expanding economic cooperation (energy, forest , min. raw materials), solving the border issue - demarcation of the border.
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        4. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 13 June 2013 02: 15 New
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          Quote: cartridge
          The Chinese threat is the idea of ​​fixing all published materials by Khramchikhin.

          Dear forum users, who among you has more complete and reliable information about the PLA, political priorities and practical steps in the arena of the Chinese leadership than the GRU of the RF Armed Forces, I urgently inform the President of the Russian Federation-Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces for immediate consideration of the issue at the Council Security and proofs of the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation. In the meantime, our views in a concentrated form are expressed in this document.
          1: The military doctrine clearly defines that the main threat to the security of the Russian Federation comes from NATO (USA) and its expansion, approaching the borders of the Russian Federation, and not from China.
          2. With the collapse of the Soviet Union and the 20 summer democrats, the United States hastened to dismiss the Russian Federation from the category of Super Powers, identifying us the role of regional leader. The role of the Superpower-2 really began to claim China. The policy of the Anglo-Saxons is as old as the world: to do everything to ruin a country that claims to be a world leader and really threatens the hegemony of the States. The USSR fell, the next in line is the PRC.
          3. Faithful to the centuries-old tradition, to rake the heat with the wrong hands, the Anglo-Saxons began to look for an ally against the PRC. They remembered Russia, but the Russian Federation did not want to carry chestnuts from the fire for the Yankees, but decided to be friends with the PRC against the United States. Therefore, the Russian Federation and the Peoples Republic of China have come forward as a united front against the American resolution on Iran and Syria.
          4. In order to weaken the PRC, the States began to pull the Russian Federation to their side. Did not work out. Now - the stage to quarrel, generate mistrust and play off the Russian Federation and China. The path is a change in public opinion in countries, then a provocation, preferably with human casualties. And the former allies are already looking at each other through the slot of the sight.
          5. What connects the Russian Federation and China? Military-technical cooperation (SU-35, 636 ave., Other MBTs, training of troops of the paratrooper paratroopers, etc.), an agreed course in the m-arena (resolutions on Syria, Iran), expanding economic cooperation (energy, forest , min. raw materials), solving the border issue - demarcation of the border.
          (continued below)
    2. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 12 June 2013 08: 37 New
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      Quote: sevtrash
      And so - defense money needs to be concentrated precisely in the Strategic Missile Forces, everything else is too expensive

      I do not agree with you! Strategic Missile Forces in the modern world, the last argument of Carol, or rather the power of only one or another country. You need to understand perfectly that when you hit on the one hand, a blow on the other will follow! LOSSES ARE COLORFUL WILL BE AT BOTH SIDES! Therefore, the global problem (in one sense or another) needs to be solved with more conventional weapons, first undercover (5th column, uncontrolled migration, etc.) by spoiling fighting as taught. Look at the USA, how they are doing and everything will become clear.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 12 June 2013 09: 26 New
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        What are they doing? Bomb those countries that can’t answer? To do this, they do not need a special nuclear club, and therefore do not use it. If it smells fried, they will act differently.
        1. bask
          bask 12 June 2013 10: 20 New
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          China is ready for a big war

          ONLY WITH RUSSIA.
          Tank armada, Type-99, is directed only against Russia (I completely agree with the author). And created, exclusively for the capture of Russian territory.
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          With conventional weapons, the Russian army has no chance against China

          And this is true. Therefore, Russia needs to immediately resume you, medium- and short-range missiles with nuclear warheads.
          The Chinese just do not spend billions of $$$, they will not spend, they have already started and planned something.
          But if China strikes Russia, the SSSA enters the war with Japan, I think on the side of China.
          This will be the beginning of World War 3.
          The easiest and most effective way. A remote-controlled submarine with nuclear weapons on board. It is on guard at the tectonic plate fault between Korea and Japan. As soon as a critical situation arises, wreck all nuclear missiles there. The break of the earth's crust and the end, the earth. Here is China and lime.
          If everyone attacks pi.pi.ts !!!! Then there will be peace and prosperity. And the Chinese will send their tanks for scrap !!!
          1. Melchakov
            Melchakov 12 June 2013 12: 06 New
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            Quote: bask
            medium and short range missiles with nuclear warheads

            Yeah. So they will be shot down by the American SM-3 with Aegis.
            Quote: bask
            SOSH with Japan will enter the war, I think on the side of China.

            Who do you think is their main competitor, Russia or China?
            1. Karabu
              Karabu 12 June 2013 13: 30 New
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              Quote: Melchakov
              Who do you think is their main competitor, Russia or China?
              they both need hydrocarbons. and somehow it is hard to believe in the possibility of a nuclear war. will come to an agreement with Moscow. "elite" are compensated
          2. Straus_zloy
            Straus_zloy 12 June 2013 15: 16 New
            +4

            A remote-controlled submarine with nuclear weapons on board. It is on guard at the tectonic plate fault between Korea and Japan. As soon as a critical situation arises, wreck all nuclear missiles there. Break the earth's crust and the end, the earth.



            I will disappoint you. In the history of the Earth, there are collisions with asteroids for the release of energy hundreds of thousands of times higher than the potential of all missiles of such a submarine. And such collisions took place in the ocean, where the earth's crust is much thinner. And nothing happened. To propose such things, one must be able to substantiate them with calculations, it is not enough just to hear this in the smoking-room from the "experienced".

            Plus, if "the end of the earth," as you say, what's the point of remote control? hardly anyone will serve bully

            Personally, I would, although it is not ethical, rely on biological weapons, namely viruses with racially selective action. Whether with war or without war, but the Chinese will someday have to be reduced. am
            1. DeerIvanovich
              DeerIvanovich 13 June 2013 20: 48 New
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              already cut ... so far only trained in flu ...
          3. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 12 June 2013 16: 11 New
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            Quote: bask
            Tank armada, Type-99, is directed only against Russia (I completely agree with the author). And created, exclusively for the capture of Russian territory.


            To the point, Andrey.

            The concentration of selected units in two border districts with Russia, the receipt of the latest technology in the first order.
            Exercises with the transfer of divisions over long distances.
            The construction of an extensive network of roads along the borders.
            Here are the dry facts. What else is needed to say: is China ready for war? And he is really ready. With whom ? Even a drunken hedgehog is clear that with the north.

            Nuclear deterrence is the only thing stopping them at the moment. Russia’s position should be clear: rock out — we will throw vigorous gifts, then nobody will get anything, neither you nor us.
            But why only such a position, why can not another?
            In case of unsteadiness of the strategic nuclear forces of the Russian Federation, China will not hesitate to occupy the "original territories", maps of which are in schools. We have nothing to counter at the moment.

            What remains of my "Zabfish Вto twitch Оnaughty "? Of the motorized rifle units, only the brigade in Yasnaya, where else there are gunners. AND EVERYTHING.
            Where are the garrisons of Mirny, Borzy, Sherlovaya Gora, Dosatuya, Sretensk, Zugol ... ??? In Atamanovka, only one factory remained ...
            And where is the Air Force Army ZabVO? No her ...
            Who to fight?

            Well, I will describe how conventional parts organically complemented each other with parts for storing and using tactical nuclear weapons. All this was.
            Why is it impossible to build up conventional weapons within the framework of existing agreements in the Far East and Transbaikalia and ... calmly continue to trade with China, leaving nuclear deterrence as the very last argument, and not the first ???
            I do not whine, but simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND. We take risks, just take risks.

            Here is a photo of the dos of aviators in Bezrechny-2 ... there are no more flyers there.
          4. Blinov_I
            Blinov_I 13 June 2013 04: 13 New
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            Interestingly, is it customary to respond to such inadequate messages? Or just pass by?
      2. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 12 June 2013 12: 26 New
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        YES enough snot to chew You need to understand perfectly that when you hit on the one hand, a blow on the other will follow! LOSSES ARE COLORFUL WILL BE AT BOTH SIDES! I won’t give a piece of my homeland to the supastat either, and he should clearly understand this. And with this story, it makes no difference to me what to die from, from a bullet to my chest or or to nuclear ashes.
        Therefore, nuclear forces have been, are and will be. But this rot of the type of contactless war, other methods of expansion is all childish. On the big transformer box RUSSIA is written in large letters in all understandable language "DON'T GET IN, KILL!", Whoever does not believe, kick only at yourself.
    3. SPACE
      SPACE 12 June 2013 10: 50 New
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      Quote: sevtrash
      With conventional weapons, the Russian army has no chance against China

      But I still throw my hat at the Chinese! laughing
      Well, first of all, today 21 vet, the age of satellites, rockets, speeds. That is, to concentrate the ground grouping unnoticed, it is simply not possible, especially Chinese!
      Next, imagine the width of the border from Mongolia to Vladivostok at two. Thirdly, the speed of movement of land units on roads and non-roads. And how many roads are there at all? No, better not expensive, five tanks will pass and there will be no road. Next, imagine all this land armada, not only should it be concentrated on the border, they will just cross the border for 24 hours and how much progress and who they can capture ?! gophers? And during this time, (we exclude the surprise factor) under the cover of our various air defense systems, Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22 with non-nuclear equipment, loaded x-555 and ODABs and just FABs will boil and re-grind and grind everything living there, it's will cause a complete loss of control of the Chinese troops, there such a panic will begin. And this is without taking into account the Tornadoes, Points, Iskanders and other long-range artillery, etc. Well, the remaining remaining are Ducks, Rooks, Crocodiles / Alligators and other Hunters Predators. In this situation, no tactical nuclear forces or strategic nuclear forces will not even be needed. This war will go down in history as the fastest Russian victory, I think the main phase will last 2-3 days, no more. For them, the war with Russia is suicide, on the basis of very extreme stupidity.
      Z.Y. You just need to stay awake and keep the powder dry.
      angry In general, I do not put on the Chinese, and you?
      1. berimor
        berimor 12 June 2013 11: 21 New
        +6
        You are very naive! There is no such concentration of modern forces and assets in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on that theater of war, and it is not possible to concentrate them quickly. Russia with such a rate of rearmament for a very long time will have to puff in order to achieve at least parity. But China, too, does not sit still and does not like blah blah blah — a favorite pastime of our democrats. Moreover, one must take into account the Chinese mentality - smile and bow to the eyes, and hold a knife behind your back. Remember the events in Damansky. After all, then the PRC was very backward, but trampled on the USSR, a much more powerful power under a strong central power. Today, Russia is greatly weakened both militarily and politically, and the Russian mentality has been maintained.
        1. Dimy4
          Dimy4 12 June 2013 11: 37 New
          +4
          Damansky had a different political significance; China desperately needed to get rid of the stigma of the "younger brother" of the USSR.
        2. SPACE
          SPACE 12 June 2013 11: 39 New
          -5
          Quote: berimor
          You are very naive! There is no such concentration of modern forces and assets in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on that theater of war, and it is not possible to concentrate them quickly.

          What do you want to concentrate strategic aviation? Or is she not? Or are there few rockets and bombs? How long does it take for different carcasses to hit Engels, and in advance to relocate closer, which takes a lot of time. Sorry, the Chinese do not and will not be there for a long time, much less supersonic! In general, the seriousness of the fact that China will attack, sorry, causes laughter even in my slippers, it is not even serious to discuss, even if every Chinese has a personal type-99. laughing Honestly, I'm just ridiculous.
          1. VAF
            VAF 12 June 2013 13: 57 New
            +3
            Quote: SPACE
            What do you want to concentrate strategic aviation?


            Aviation is not concentrated, but, on the contrary, is deployed to operational airfields during a threatened period. which, by the way, after the "successful taxiing of your Tandem and" reforming "Storetkin practically did not remain !!!

            Quote: SPACE
            Or is she not?


            Here it’s just about the gopher, but only the other way around ... it’s really like it, but actually ..... well, very, very few for those tasks for which you are going to use them crying

            Quote: SPACE
            How long does it take for different carcasses to hit Engels, and in advance to relocate closer, which takes a lot of time.


            This is actually classified information, but ... very much, very much! bully

            Quote: SPACE
            Or are there few rockets and bombs?


            For one flight .. they’ll pick up ... there won’t be a second! bully

            Quote: SPACE
            Honestly, I'm just ridiculous.


            I repeat ... this is only from your STUPIDness, well, and more .. Ignorance ... no more negative
        3. Rakti-kali
          Rakti-kali 12 June 2013 13: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: berimor
          Remember the events in Damansky

          What Damansky? It was initially considered that China, that the USSR as a purely border conflict with very limited goals and means.
        4. VAF
          VAF 12 June 2013 13: 45 New
          +8
          Quote: berimor
          You are very naive!


          This is not the worst! +! drinks

          But what’s scary is that he’s like a STUPID ..... cork!
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 12 June 2013 19: 23 New
            +2
            Quote: vaf
            This is not the worst! +! But what’s scary is that he’s like a STUPID ..... plug!

            Baaaa what kind of people hi , VAF itself has come to visit, flattered, flattered! How, how, they heard about you, you are like the local Guru in aviation, the one who periodically licks the Americans, roofing felts drone, roofing f-35. Well, okay, this is not about that. Well, of course, I got into your monastery, forgive me, it happened by chance, I hope I didn’t pinch your tail? request WAF, you along the way, that you messed up, I'm not your client, you will tell your Chinese memoirs and other analytics to the Chinese children in kindergarten, in retirement, when the Chinese conquer you, but in principle they already won you without war. Your virgin arguments are simply touching, I would understand it if someone else wrote it, but myself, because SAM Guru said that we have almost no strategic aviation, no missiles, no bombs, but that there’s nothing capable of it, well, no like she has combat capabilities, ah yes Guru, oh yes analyst, it’s necessary that missiles can only get into houses, there’s no accumulation of equipment, the Chinese’s fully deployed air defense in foreign territory will not allow aviation to launch missiles, nor to drop bombs. After all, the Chinese do not need to refuel equipment and fuel and lubricants, yeah, two days on the autobahn at one gas station to the Urals, as well as shells and in general they have no people, but metal robots ... laughing In general, since the scribe told the WAF, then everyone lies down and surrenders to the Chinese. crying There is such a new proverb, “Waf has big eyes” ... It’s necessary, how fearful girls we are, why didn’t the Waf backlash disappear? Well, okay, don’t forget to put a minus sign and you can roll on ...
            ZY The good news is that there are real men in Russia, not only with their heads, but also in all weapons, to all who are not afraid of the Chinese, great respect. In the end, "The devil is not so terrible as he is painted!"
        5. avensis
          avensis 12 June 2013 14: 59 New
          0
          berimor
          but I think your comment smells of cheap demagoguery (what kind of Chinese are active and invincible). Russia is, of course, weakened, but in comparison with whom? How do you know whether the mentality of Russians has "run out" or not. Your independent education, by a misunderstanding by someone called the state, does not have either an army or a navy.
          1. Sergey_K
            Sergey_K 12 June 2013 15: 50 New
            +1
            Oh, brotherly feelings have gone. Remember, Ukrainians will always be so, you will always be sprinkled and considered subhuman until you build your powerful state.
      2. MG42
        MG42 12 June 2013 13: 02 New
        +9
        Quote: SPACE
        But I still throw my hat at the Chinese! In general, I do not put on the Chinese, and you?

        For patriotic reasons, no one will bet on them, but underestimating and throwing caps at them is not very smart ..
        I’ll post a promotional video so that there are no illusions that the Chinese are only armed with hoes and chopsticks ..
      3. VAF
        VAF 12 June 2013 13: 44 New
        10
        Quote: SPACE
        Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22


        Firstly, the Tu-160 live 10 pieces only with X-555 missiles work only on stationary objects !!!
        Tu-95th ..live .. about 30 pieces the same.
        Tu-22 with ODAB (extremely useless bomb against manpower and equipment in the open) and with the FAB ... all the more (in Afghanistan they were used in much larger quantities than they are now in service) and only? Almost 0 !!!
        And please take into account that in the bomber version against the Chinese, not a single Tu-22-th .. will reach the target .. NOT ONE !!!
        We understand your "uryapupatriotism", but not to the same extent !!!! wassat

        At the beginning, maintaining a database using only OSBs in the Russian Federation has a chance of 0 point, 0 tenths .... it is not regrettable! soldier

        But the fact that 2-3 days ... you may be right in this .. the Chinese will not need more ... but they don’t make sense to cross the Ural Mountains!
        1. not good
          not good 12 June 2013 13: 53 New
          +6
          I would like to remind you that there are also special operations forces and airborne forces and China, and in large enough quantities. Therefore, they will block our rear with a very high probability, simply by taking key objects (bridges, railway junctions, etc.), and seize any arsenal a couple of platoons will be enough. And the number of Chinese airborne forces is estimated at about 30 thousand people, but how many in our airborne forces?
        2. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 12 June 2013 16: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: vaf
          And please take into account that in the bomber version against the Chinese, not a single Tu-22-th .. will reach the target .. NOT ONE !!!


          Greetings, Sergey.

          I remember the strength of the Zabvo air force.
          I remembered the flyers in Bezrechny-2 when I wrote a comment a little higher ...
          Now they are not there, as are many parts.
          Well, probably not needed ...
          Shocked.
          I don’t whine, just - I DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

    4. Orel
      Orel 12 June 2013 11: 11 New
      -1
      Again, the United States presented us with the "Chinese threat" scarecrow. It is beneficial for America that we do not get closer to China. It's simple. China will never attack Russia. Russia is the rear of China and China does not want to lose it. In addition, an attack on the Russian Federation will create a coalition against China within the Russian Federation, Europe, Japan, India and the United States. I think everyone understands how it will end for China!
      1. MG42
        MG42 12 June 2013 12: 24 New
        +8
        Quote: Orel
        The Russian Federation will create a coalition against China as part of the Russian Federation, Europe, Japan, India and the United States. I think everyone understands how this will end for China!

        Why is there such confidence in the coalition of Japan and Russia against China, because there is not even a peace treaty, the Japs sleep and see the Kuril Islands as their northern territories .. but about the coalition of the USA and Russia it’s even more ridiculous, this is not 1945 .. geyropa is also not a friend of Russia like NATO .., here each player has his own interest ..
        Who will be China’s ally is North Korea.
        1. Orel
          Orel 12 June 2013 13: 18 New
          -2
          Why such confidence in the coalition of Japan and Russia against China


          Enemy of my enemy, my friend
          1. MG42
            MG42 12 June 2013 13: 33 New
            +4
            Quote: Orel
            Enemy of my enemy, my friend

            wassat Be consistent and sort it out, or else get lost in 2 of your posts
            Quote: Orel
            . Russia, this is the rear of China
          2. optimist
            optimist 12 June 2013 14: 43 New
            +3
            Quote: Orel
            China will never attack Russia. Russia, this is the rear of China and China does not want to lose it.

            In 1941, the USSR also thought so about Germany. The main task of the Zh.domassons now is to incite China to Russia. And they will do it. The whole question is only in time. And if there is a dilemma before the narrow-eyed, Russia or the USA, the choice will be in favor of the USA, because there is all the Chinese loot and the main market. And the NATO army is clearly stronger and more.
    5. dentitov
      dentitov 12 June 2013 11: 33 New
      +8
      For some reason, everyone forgets that China has not won a single war in history. They stupidly do not know how to fight. And the people themselves are stupid and militant. With any deviation from the plan, the Chinese fall into a stupor. So when faced with serious resistance, China will deflate quickly. And so a couple of missiles on the dams, and half of China will drown. And in China they understand that it’s useless to climb up to us with weapons. Therefore, they gradually devour us economically, demographically and politically.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 12 June 2013 11: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: dentitov
        And in China they understand that climbing to us with weapons is useless. Therefore, they gradually devour us economically, demographically and politically.

        But with this I agree to all the service stations! I would subsidize small businesses and gradually close the border to Chinese goods, as domestic goods replace Chinese goods.
        1. not good
          not good 12 June 2013 12: 37 New
          +2
          Germany was also considered a friendly country and all talk of an impending war was considered alarmism, the same was held joint exercises, and the same until the last day, Germany received at a reduced price ore, bread, etc., and then Suddenly JUNE 22.
          The state should be ready for defense from any direction, from any friends of today, and then, having overcome great difficulties, on an emergency basis, it is necessary to create what is not there (pre-arranged defense) gaining time at the cost of thousands of lives of its fellow citizens.
          With regard to the small number of bridges at the border, China has pontoon parks, and about strategic aviation, it still needs to be equipped with TS, and China has air defense systems (including S-300). And China also has nuclear weapons , as well as the means of delivery. And if for us getting at least one vigorous bomb in any large city is a real tragedy, then for China the city back and forth here is not a problem, minus 10 million of the total population for China is not a problem.
          Khramchikhin published an article about this a few years ago, but little has changed since then.
          So it’s not necessary to throw caps, but to really assess the potential threat and to alert the relevant structures in advance.
      2. patsantre
        patsantre 12 June 2013 12: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: dentitov
        For some reason, everyone forgets that China has not won a single war in history.


        Absolutely stupid argument, everything happens for the first time. I did not win before - there was no strong army. Now there is.

        Quote: dentitov
        And the people themselves are stupid and militant.

        Personally familiar with their soldiers and officers?
        1. not good
          not good 12 June 2013 12: 51 New
          +1
          Yes, even if they are all stupid there, but the ratio of 10 machine guns to one should be alarming. In order to even out the situation, it is necessary to create and implement automated reconnaissance and targeting systems in the troops, so that, if possible, distance yourself from direct fire contact.
      3. knn54
        knn54 12 June 2013 13: 55 New
        +4
        -dentitov: For some reason, everyone forgets that China has not won a single war in history.
        I won with India. And for some reason, the option of a conflict with India is not considered:
        1. In 20 of the 29 Indian states, Maoist separatists are successfully operating. In Nepal, they have already come to power.
        2.China is also interested in the water resources of rivers in disputed / border areas with India.
        3. Access to the Indian Ocean, closer to Iranian oil ...
        4. Techniques (including the original) for mountain rifle units are also being developed.
        + an ally in the face of Pakistan, hungry for revenge.
    6. MG42
      MG42 12 June 2013 12: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: sevtrash
      With conventional weapons, the Russian army has no chance against China, it seems that this is unambiguous, and not only in quantitative terms, but also in qualitative terms.

      Russia itself arms its neighbor >>
      According to the SIPRI Institute, from 2008 to 2012
      Russia provided 79% of Indian and 69% of Chinese imports of arms and military equipment during this period.

      Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2161772
      1. not good
        not good 12 June 2013 14: 24 New
        +8
        The idiocy lies in the fact that we sell the latest weapons that we ourselves do not have in the troops, although it is common sense to introduce a ban on exports before saturating our own aircraft, then selling ourselves first. Our leadership constantly shouts that there is enough money for defense, but bucks themselves in the eyes, to still sell.
        1. MG42
          MG42 12 June 2013 15: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: Negoro
          The idiocy lies in the fact that we sell the latest weapons that we ourselves do not have in the troops, although, according to common sense, we must introduce a ban on exports until our aircraft are saturated, first we sell ourselves first.

          China has bought a lot and is buying Russian weapons, in addition, they are masters of copying it, they simply disassemble it to the last screw and do mass production but with Chinese characters .. hi
    7. Savva30
      Savva30 12 June 2013 12: 55 New
      +5
      The Chinese army is huge, no doubt. But the army needs to be fed, equipment needs to be refueled. They will not find any special food supplies and fuel and lubricants in our country, our government has taken care of this. If they decide to penetrate deep into Russia, they will need to provide for at least competent rear support ... We need to provide for many issues, including our unpredictability ...
      If you are at war with China, you need to be aware of the following: it does not make sense to take us prisoner, your mouths are full, therefore only a mortal, merciless battle, and there the map will fall. If the layouts are so frightening, it may be time to develop a plan for sabotage and partisan work, create a map of caches with provisions, explosives, small-sized explosive bombs, SDYAV, etc. on the path of the enemy’s likely movement.
      And it’s good to give them land ...
      I read somewhere that we are going to build a railway bridge that will connect us and China ... do we need it?
      If they are friends to us, then let them see which x ...: Moreover, in the winter of the 2012 – 2013, the Shenyang and Beijing Military Forces conducted a series of exercises with the extensive use of armored vehicles and artillery in conditions of extremely low temperatures and deep snow cover.
      1. tungus
        tungus 12 June 2013 14: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: Savva30
        If you are at war with China, you need to be aware of the following: it does not make sense to take us prisoner, your mouths are full, therefore only a mortal, merciless battle, and there the map will fall.

        Why should they destroy the population? Genocide is always a total war, but China does not need such a war. Otherwise, the losses will not be recouped by the acquired profits.
        The most logical on the part of China would be a systematic increase in the number of Chinese in our Far East, both legal and non-legal ways, with the subsequent provocation of a conflict between these newly arrived Chinese and the local population.
        Under the pretext of protecting their citizens, troops are brought in, these troops are called "peacekeeping". De jure, the territory continues to belong to Russia. De facto is controlled by China and its army. At the same time, it would be logical if China created the most favorable living conditions for the Russian population of the Far East, just that there would be no partisan movements, and the educated (compared to most Chinese) population would work for the good of the Celestial Empire. This is also necessary so that Moscow does not have a reasoned reason to defend its population in the Far East, because no one offends it there, on the contrary, it began to live better. De jure, this is still Russian territory, so what's the problem?
        In this scenario, Russia's use of nuclear weapons against China is highly doubtful. There will be endless negotiations, bargaining, constant skirmishes in the zone of contact of the troops, but nothing more.

        Another thing is that the question remains unanswered - why does China need Far East? Why would he need a wild territory without any infrastructure? Where, apart from the "endless sea of ​​taiga", there is practically nothing. No, there are minerals there, but the infrastructure is completely absent. And therefore it is much cheaper not to invest hundreds of billions in the development of the occupied territory, but to buy ready-made resources from it from the Russians. It's more profitable this way.
        1. Savva30
          Savva30 12 June 2013 15: 23 New
          +1
          Chapter III. Strategic attack

          1. Sun Tzu said: according to the rules of warfare, the best thing is to keep the enemy state intact, in second place is to crush this state. The best is to keep the enemy army intact, in second place to destroy it. The best thing is to keep the enemy brigade intact, in second place to smash it. The best thing is to keep the enemy battalion intact, in second place to defeat it. The best is to keep the enemy company intact, in second place to break it. The best is to keep the enemy platoon intact, in second place to smash it [1]. Therefore, fighting a hundred times and winning a hundred times is not the best of the best; the best of the best is to conquer an alien army without fighting.

          2. Therefore, the best war is to break the enemy’s plans; in the next place - to break his alliances; in the next place - to defeat his troops.
          9. Therefore, it is said: if you know him and know yourself, fight at least a hundred times, there will be no danger; if you know yourself, but you don’t know him, you will win one time, and another time you will be defeated; if you know neither yourself nor him, every time you fight, you will be defeated.
        2. Odysseus
          Odysseus 12 June 2013 17: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: tungus
          Why should they destroy the population? Genocide is always a total war, but China does not need such a war. Otherwise, the losses will not be recouped by the acquired profits.
          The most logical on the part of China would be a systematic increase in the number of Chinese in our Far East, both legal and non-legal ways, with the subsequent provocation of a conflict between these newly arrived Chinese and the local population

          Here is the correct comment!
          I would also add that the PRC would first agree with the United States on the separation of spheres of influence.
          And then he will calmly wait for the further weakening of the capitalist RF, while at the same time economically locking itself into the Far East.
          Suppose, in case of falling oil prices with the loss of the ability to feed the regions and the loss of loyalty of the police apparatus, the regional leadership in the Far East will itself seek an opportunity to sell itself to Beijing at a higher price.
          In this case, the transition of these regions to the PRC will occur without any war.
          Like the collapse of the USSR itself as a result of creating capitalism of perestroika.
    8. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 12 June 2013 15: 36 New
      +1
      I'm going to pick a pile on the occasion of the holiday, and the second for the Yuzhnoye design bureau and Voevoda, and the third for the military, who supported these glorious missiles and will continue to support them.
    9. Explore
      Explore 12 June 2013 15: 37 New
      +3
      Interesting opinion in the article. That is, the development by Russia of such projects as Armata, Kurganets-25 and Boomerang (tanks and bmpshki are a purely offensive type of armament), indicates the readiness of our country to conquer the world? Each country has the right to develop its armed forces ...
  2. lemal
    lemal 12 June 2013 08: 09 New
    0
    And I’m whining young !!! Khan syu this, the whole world is behind me !!!
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 12 June 2013 08: 23 New
      16
      In China, they know how to do quality things. At home, a tablecloth and a thermos have been in use since the 50's. And I also watched a parade of Chinese troops on CCTV. The alignment of soldiers and the abundance of equipment amaze. This underestimation is simply stupid and dangerous!
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 12 June 2013 10: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: xetai9977
        In China, they know how to do quality things. At home, a tablecloth and a thermos have been in use since the 50's. And I also watched a parade of Chinese troops on CCTV. The alignment of soldiers and the abundance of equipment amaze. This underestimation is simply stupid and dangerous!

        We have Chinese porcelain since the days of the USSR, but the thing is different, there are good but expensive things, there are cheap but bad.) As everywhere)
        And about the soldiers, I agree, it’s stupid to underestimate the state, with a powerful economy and a multi-million army.
  3. Egoza
    Egoza 12 June 2013 08: 22 New
    11
    "in conditions of extremely low temperatures and deep snow cover"

    Nah yes. However, you need to keep the ears on top. And even more so not to allow the settlement of the Far East by different migrants and migrant workers. OURS must be there, OURS !!! For now, we will be friends, often recall the role of the USSR (by which Russia is the successor) in the formation of China, and gradually strengthen the army ... And then we'll see. No, we don’t want to fight, but we can always fight back if necessary. And China must know this clearly and always remember.
    1. mogus
      mogus 12 June 2013 08: 45 New
      +9
      OURS must be there, OURS !!!

      In the meantime, the Kremlin is doing everything to prevent us from being here.
      1. alexdol
        alexdol 12 June 2013 10: 58 New
        +4
        mogus SU "In the meantime, the Kremlin is doing everything to ensure that we are not here."
        -------------------------------------------------- ---
        I completely agree with you! Yes, this is generally understandable because the power in Russia is OCCUPATIONAL !!! I just wrote about this other place. For example, in Ukraine in the Verkhovna Rada, more than 50 percent of JEWS! Despite the fact that according to the calculations of our Kharkov Jew Khodos, there may be 1-2 people / according to the number of diaspora! So it turns out that the power in Ukraine is not at all "Ukrainian" as "Svidomites" dream of! The same is evident in RUSSIA! It is enough to look at who Medvedev is and his entourage, the same dvorkovich and most of the oligarchs! So draw conclusions after that, whose "power" it is ...
    2. elmi
      elmi 12 June 2013 10: 04 New
      12
      And even more so not to allow the settlement of the Far East by different migrants and migrant workers. OURS must be there, OURS !!

      It will not work to forcibly settle the Far East - not in those days, but it is quite possible to create favorable settlement conditions (for example, the Stolypin reforms). In general, it is necessary to exempt the entire Far East from taxes, create a large economic zone, give out favorable loans and other favorable reforms to the population. Here, then, I think people will be drawn to populate, not only from the European part of Russia, but also the return of former compatriots from around the world.
  4. pinecone
    pinecone 12 June 2013 08: 28 New
    +6
    Among other things, the undoubted advantage of China is the ability to select the most developed in all respects young people for staffing the armed forces.
    1. bootlegger
      bootlegger 12 June 2013 08: 54 New
      +2
      We’ll also see what the birth control policy will turn the country into. After 30 to 40 years, these young people will turn into older people and hang the load on the economy. Even if China’s pension policy changes little, it will still have a big impact on the country.
      How, then, to form an army if you have a bunch of old people on youth support?
      Is it possible to send 50-55 year old "partisans" to the service, just before retirement? smile
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 12 June 2013 09: 04 New
        +6
        The Chinese are not stupid. Long ago, they planned everything. They will bring the population to the optimum, for example, 850 million, and then with the directive make them have 3 children. No one will dare to utter a word.
        1. bootlegger
          bootlegger 12 June 2013 09: 09 New
          +3
          For such a territory, the optimal population level is 300-400 ml.
          And 900 ml., This only means postponing the problem for a generation. Yes, and directives are not needed. Do not pay a pension and life itself will make ....
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 12 June 2013 09: 13 New
            +5
            You forget about India, the adversary of China. China will let India go a little ahead. But it won’t let itself be far behind. And about the pension ... The financial condition of the population, of course, plays a big role. But this is not a panacea. In Europe, they give a certain amount for each child money, but this has almost no effect on fertility. And in Asia and Africa they hardly pay, but are choked by overpopulation.
  5. Dimy4
    Dimy4 12 June 2013 08: 39 New
    +8
    No need to think that without nuclear weapons we are just pieces of meat, and for everyone who wants to fight with us it will be just an easy walk on the marking of the territory. Remember the Blitzkrieg.
    1. Rus_87
      Rus_87 12 June 2013 09: 22 New
      +5
      I completely agree with you +. The Germans in the 41st also had a qualitative and technological superiority in a number of types of weapons, and what we got as a result, we all know. It’s not tanks and missiles that win, wars are won by the people, ordinary people.
    2. Blinov_I
      Blinov_I 13 June 2013 04: 37 New
      +1
      It turned out that a whole generation of Soviet people was killed in the meat grinder of the war. And if the Soviet Union was able to recover from this, then I doubt that Russia will survive after comparable losses.
  6. Orik
    Orik 12 June 2013 09: 18 New
    +1
    Accordingly, the question arises: with which army do the ground forces and the PLA Air Force intend to wage war using the most modern combat technology, satellite navigation system and other advanced combat support systems?


    The answer to this question is not as straightforward as the author writes. If the "rulers of the world" make an attempt to seize Iran, then China will be placed in the position of Japan in the 40s, when the United States cut it off from energy resources. China is not ready to confront the US Navy in the ocean, here a throw of 1000-1500 kilometers of ground forces may come in handy. Otherwise, the energy stranglehold will make it a question of time for the economic collapse of the economy or the need to make unpleasant concessions.
    Although you should not forget about our direction ...
  7. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 12 June 2013 09: 19 New
    +3
    I, of course, am not a strategist and have a vague idea of ​​how China can "invade Siberia"? Siberia is not a bare island in the bed of a border river. These are thousands of kilometers of taiga and swamps, and our Army, with all its difficulties and shortcomings, is also not made with a finger. Maybe someone can draw a sample scenario?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 12 June 2013 10: 02 New
      0
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      how can China "invade Siberia"?

      And through the Chinese ... they happily marry the Russians. And you can give birth as much as you like. And our wives like these — hardworking, helpful, they don’t hinder the husband, they please the relatives, they drag relatives here ...
      Well, if someone tries to "resent the multitude" - here the Chinese tanks will come in handy - to defend their offended.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 12 June 2013 10: 37 New
        +2
        Also an option. But here 50 * 50 They can simply Russify. And I meant military intervention.
      2. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 12 June 2013 10: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        And through the Chinese ... they happily marry the Russians. And you can give birth as much as you like. And our wives like these — hardworking, helpful, they don’t hinder the husband, they please the relatives, they drag relatives here ...

        Well, how can I say, they all marry foreigners, starting from Europeans, Americans, etc. So this is not entirely true. Filipinos also marry whites. Because for some this is the only way to get out of poverty, and not because the state ordered).
        http://inosmi.ru/world/20121102/201713323.html
        http://www.china-voyage.com/2010/12/zhena-kitayanka-vpechatleniya-ne-zhenatogo-n
        a-kitayanke / Here is another opinion)
      3. mogus
        mogus 12 June 2013 15: 08 New
        +2
        men work for the Chinese. it’s our women who marry them.
        1. OTTO
          OTTO 12 June 2013 16: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: mogus
          men work for the Chinese. it’s our women who marry them.

          Quite right! In addition, we must also take into account that Chinese women are in "demand" in China itself. The policy of restricting the birth rate has led to a bias in the country towards the male population. And many young Chinese people find it problematic to find a wife. So they go to us and marry our girls. A hard-working and low-drinking Chinese man as a groom is quite competitive, to say the least. The only thing that comforts in this situation is that the child is raised by the mother and raised as a Russian.
    2. vostok1982
      vostok1982 12 June 2013 10: 08 New
      +1
      Somewhere in a madhouse or in American dreams, such a scenario is possible. But not in this reality.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 12 June 2013 10: 31 New
        +1
        pakfa-t-50, minus justify. Is there another scenario?
      2. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 12 June 2013 10: 40 New
        0
        Quote: vostok1982
        Somewhere in a madhouse or in American dreams, such a scenario is possible. But not in this reality.

        Not entirely, quite possible, even the law is being considered so that more women would give birth to Chinese families.
    3. MG42
      MG42 12 June 2013 11: 54 New
      +6
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      Maybe someone will draw an example scenario?

      Such an army simply will not be able to sit idle for a long time, China is just building up its offensive potential, and not defense, around it neighbors also with nuclear weapons = Pakistan, India with a comparable population are unlikely to go there, DPRK = a reliable ally of the PRC, also has nuclear weapons, Japan is separated by sea and under the protection of Uncle Sam,
      It remains to look towards the northern neighbors of the PRC, but Russia has a reliable nuclear shield, even though Beijing possesses nuclear weapons and a chemical. weapons, but all the potential here is not yet sufficient, and the countries of Central Asia are almost defenseless before him, Kazakhstan freed itself from nuclear weapons after the collapse of the USSR ...
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 12 June 2013 13: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: MG42
        Central Asian countries are almost defenseless before him, Kazakhstan freed itself from nuclear weapons after the collapse of the USSR ..

        No, China, I think, doesn’t shine here either. Kazakhstan and the countries of Central Asia are members of the CSTO and it’s fraught to climb there.
        1. MG42
          MG42 12 June 2013 13: 43 New
          +2
          What is fraught with? Will Russia strike a nuclear missile in China for them? It can take Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan in a matter of days with such potential until they realize ..
          Of course this is all so far on the brink of science fiction .. at one time they assured that Germany would not attack the USSR ..
      2. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 12 June 2013 13: 01 New
        0
        Quote: MG42
        Such an army simply will not be able to sit idle for a long time, China is just building up its offensive potential, and not defense, around it neighbors also with nuclear weapons = Pakistan, India with a comparable population are unlikely to go there, DPRK = a reliable ally of the PRC, also has nuclear weapons, Japan is separated by sea and under the protection of Uncle Sam,
        It remains to look towards the northern neighbors of the PRC

        On the contrary, it increases the marine grouping, reduces the land group, which means that it still looks and how.
        1. MG42
          MG42 12 June 2013 13: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          it means all the same, it looks and how.

          It is necessary to direct China in the right direction so that the "Chinese dragon" will let off steam .. the conflict with Japan does not take place ... this was a favorable scenario for the northern neighbors ..
      3. teodorh
        teodorh 12 June 2013 14: 25 New
        +7
        Military expert Yaroslav Vyatkin:

        When comparing the military capabilities of Kazakhstan and China, the question of who is stronger is not worth it. Naturally, this is China. But, on the other hand, those who believe that in a hypothetical conflict between the Republic of Kazakhstan and the People's Republic of China, the PLA will crush their opponent in 20 or 40 minutes are also wrong. In reality, everything looks more complicated.

        The Armed Forces of Kazakhstan are considered one of the best in combat readiness in the CIS, second only to the Armed Forces of Russia and the Armed Forces of Belarus. Their number is approximately 70 thousand military personnel, another 34,5 thousand serve in the Republican Guard, internal troops and border troops.

        In total, there are more than 1200 tanks in service, mainly T-72A, about 2500 infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, about 200 self-propelled guns and 500 towed guns, about 200 MLRS "Hurricane" and "Grad". There are more than 30 operational-tactical missile systems “Tochka-U” and “Elbrus”.

        Recently, modernization and the supply of new weapons to the ground forces have begun. Something was created in collaboration with Israel or purchased there. Among the samples are T-72A tanks with a modernized fire control system, Aibat self-propelled mortars, Semser self-propelled howitzers, Nyza MLRS, Israeli-made drones. But these howitzers and mortars were poorly modified and expensive. Which reflects one of the problems of the local armed forces - corruption. But where is she not?

        If you look at the map, it will immediately become clear that the Chinese will have to attack in the most difficult conditions of the mountainous area, along several operational directions torn from each other. Troops moving in one direction will not be able to help the advancing in another.

        Even the Dzungarian Gate is far from an operational space; it is a rather narrow passage in which it is very convenient to defend. With a good engineering training in defense, a division or a couple of brigades will easily stop anyone there. It will take nuclear weapons or a huge concentration of forces, which on the Chinese side of the border, especially and nowhere to concentrate. Other directions are even worse - just mountain roads.

        Even if the Chinese manage to enter the operational space in the steppe, they will have to deal with aviation and missile attacks there. Therefore, a blitzkrieg is unlikely, especially since the mobility of even the best PLA compounds is still not at a high level, and there are none at all on the Kazakh border. It will be necessary to supply shock groups along the same mountain roads for thousands of kilometers.

        Given the weakness of military transport aviation and the poverty of the PLA by helicopters, it will not work to supply air or to throw a serious airborne landing. Throwing out parachute landings with equipment in the mountains can only be a commander who does not need his army or his head on his shoulders. And in the rear, on the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the absence of clear air supremacy will not allow it. The PLA Air Force has more than 1300 fighters, but most of them are based in the east of China, primarily in the Taiwan direction. It is dangerous to transfer them, because they are needed first of all for a possible conflict with the United States over Taiwan. Also in the west of China, the aerodrome network is too weak and there simply will be nowhere to place them.

        The Kazakh Air Force has 43 MiG 31 interceptors (the Republic of Kazakhstan is the only country in the world, except for the Russian Federation, which has this high-class aircraft in service), 34 Su-27S / UB fighters and 38 MiG 29, 23 Su-24M bomber, 12 Su-24MR reconnaissance and 15 MiG 25RB, 16 attack aircraft Su-25. In addition, there are about 120 fighter and fighter-bombers MiG 23 and MiG 27. In total - more than 300 combat aircraft. The fleet of transport aircraft is weak, but there are enough helicopters - 134, including 42 attack Mi-24s. RK Air Force training is good, flight time is maintained at a level of more than 100 hours per year.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 12 June 2013 18: 37 New
          +5
          I remember this article. Interesting, although it needs to be updated for some technical indicators.
          1) A thousand tanks - this is what is in the troops. In addition, there are several thousand tanks of old types at storage bases. Recently, upgraded variants of these canned variants have been shown. So the work on modernization is probably going on.
          2) The fleet of transport aircraft is growing before our eyes. Constantly work is underway to restore the resource of existing transport aircraft, and, as you know, Spanish cars were purchased.
          3) Work in terms of the defense industry - generally goes on full steam. Created production joint ventures with Europeans, Asians, CIS-shniks, which produce the most diverse product range.
          4) The procurement of new weapons is constantly ongoing - from Italian assault rifles to Russian armored vehicles and missiles.
          5) The article does not mention the professional level of the Kazakhstan army, which for the most part consists of contract soldiers. In addition, a wide program is being developed to train reservists.
          6) The aforementioned technique, created with the participation of the Israelis (Naiza, Semser, Aybat), has already been brought to a normal level. The existing "jambs" have been generally fixed.
          7) It must be added that Kazakhstan attaches particular importance to the Airmobile Forces (ex-Airborne Forces), which occupy an important place in the system of the armed forces of Kazakhstan.
          8) Kazakhstan handed over nuclear weapons under security conditions from Russia, the United States and Western Europe. In other words, these countries have pledged to protect the country in the event of an attack by an aggressor. It is difficult to say how much you can trust this agreement, but the fact is the fact. And China, before attacking, must weigh the likelihood of this treaty "working".
          9) The invasion of Kazakhstan will give an impetus to the explosion of East Turkestan (XUAR, PRC) in the rear of China. Turkic states will help each other in case of an attack by a third party. Even if the Turks do not officially get involved in the conflict, they will actually provide the broadest material and technical assistance at least. The war between Kazakhstan and China can also be easily turned into a "Muslim jihad" against China with all the ensuing processes. And the Americans will willingly help Muslims in their war against the "sworn friend of the United States" - China.
          10) Well, and most importantly. Kazakhs are a nation that is brought up on the premise that "we have always defeated the Chinese." The Kazakhs considered and still consider the Chinese as their "eternal enemies". So if the Chinese invade the Kazakh steppes, the Kazakhs will kill them without pity and tirelessly, without any sympathy, compassion and fear towards the Han people. Over the past 2500 years (at least), the Kazakhs have already allowed plenty of Chinese blood. The steppe people have a genetic predisposition to the Chinese.
    4. mogus
      mogus 12 June 2013 15: 07 New
      0
      how to grab? Well, if it continues in the same order, then after a generation or two there will be no Slavs left ...
  8. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 12 June 2013 09: 23 New
    10
    We must not forget that war is not only "guns", but also "butter", that is. organizing supplies such as food, ammunition, fuel. Yes, China can hit. For 1000 km - hardly. Compare the development of roads and railways in China and in the regions of Russia bordering China. And also - the terrain.

    In the event of a likely attack on Russia, the Chinese will inevitably need a long operational pause to tighten resources and reserves. And ours can use tactical nuclear weapons.

    It is necessary to relocate and equip the main military units of Siberia and the Far East in the depths of Russian territory, at a distance of 500-700 km from the border, for example, in the areas of Irkutsk, Ulan-Ude, Kyzyl. Border guards should be left (and strengthened). Then China's first (and most powerful) blow will depreciate.

    And the most important! It is necessary to prepare the evacuation of civilians in case of military danger.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 12 June 2013 09: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      organizing supplies such as food, ammunition, fuel.

      I’m talking about the same thing. In the event of such a blow, you can especially not restrain the attackers. It is enough to cut off the offensive from the supply and the entire offensive will be drowned out for a maximum of a week.
      1. not good
        not good 12 June 2013 14: 09 New
        0
        You can imagine at least approximately how much force it will take to interrupt the supply of troops on the entire front. Yes, and if the offensive is being prepared in advance, then you will take care of the supply and reserves in advance, but not like ours in Chechnya, when soldiers were sometimes forced to steal in order to hunger does not bend.
      2. mogus
        mogus 12 June 2013 15: 14 New
        +2
        how can they cut off if they go north by several orders of magnitude? you can’t block everything. and here they are, having seized the only railway line and highway, they will calmly block it. not in our favor the number of people in Siberia and the Far East ...
  9. waisson
    waisson 12 June 2013 09: 40 New
    +2
    it remains only to envy with what speed the army is being rearmament. we would have such a pace of glance and the world community would have listened to us and not to Amer’s democracy
  10. uzer 13
    uzer 13 12 June 2013 09: 49 New
    +3
    China spares no money on re-equipping the army with modern technology, and has been doing this for a long time and consistently, fulfilling pre-set tasks. At the same time, a huge number of Chinese emigrants are appearing in the border areas of Siberia and the Far East, comparable in number, if not exceeding, to the Russian population. the betrayal of the local authorities and the leaders of the territories adjacent to China is quite obvious. We observe the classical preparation for war described in all textbooks.
    1. not good
      not good 12 June 2013 14: 14 New
      0
      In order to block the power structures, it would be enough to bring all the Chinese who are on our territory to the streets of border cities and the police and they’ll simply crush the police and capture the military unit if there is no alarm on time.
  11. vostok1982
    vostok1982 12 June 2013 10: 06 New
    13
    Only a complete nutcase would argue about the possibility of a Chinese attack on Russia. Because it is very easy to inflict "fatal injuries" on China. It is enough to detonate the cascade of dams on the Yangtze and Yellow River with high-precision missiles and several hundred million Chinese will sail to Taiwan with their homes. Yes, and a couple of nuclear missiles to the southwestern coastal regions - that's all.
    1. not good
      not good 12 June 2013 13: 09 New
      0
      Everything is great, but the use of nuclear weapons requires political will ....
    2. not good
      not good 12 June 2013 13: 32 New
      -2
      And even in the event of an attack by China, our refugees will move away from the war zones to the west, and with the number of roads that we have, they will completely stall or seriously complicate the regrouping and deployment of troops.
    3. uzer 13
      uzer 13 12 June 2013 14: 24 New
      0
      Better to be a psycho than an idiot or a victim. Not so long ago, they asserted with full confidence that Hitler would not attack the USSR.
    4. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 12 June 2013 16: 05 New
      0
      If you have paranoia - this does not mean that you are not being watched. A wise saying. There is no one in the modern world of faith.
  12. pakfa-t-50
    pakfa-t-50 12 June 2013 10: 31 New
    +1
    In China, a lot of soldiers are not only their plus but their minus too; they go on their heads there are quite a few bombs to leave non-nuclear and there are less than half left
  13. Makarov
    Makarov 12 June 2013 10: 45 New
    +1
    In the morning on television in China they show modern and not very good armaments of Russia, China, the United States give a brief comparison of the main (or all known) characteristics, and so every day ... so that preparation is in full swing there ... and the brain is washed decently
  14. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 12 June 2013 10: 55 New
    +2
    Any adversary, let alone such as China, cannot be underestimated. You can’t relax and rest on our laurels ... they say we have nuclear weapons.
    Chinese RZSO really pose a serious threat to our Pacific Fleet and all the ground units, which are there once or twice and counted. Russia must have a flexible policy. But the most important thing in it should be that China should see its enemy in the United States and not in RUSSIA .... but how to do this is already a military and diplomatic art
  15. biglow
    biglow 12 June 2013 11: 13 New
    +2
    this war will end with a blow to the cascade of dams on the yellow river. China itself did not win a single war, even lost to Vietnam
    1. fisherman
      fisherman 12 June 2013 13: 03 New
      +3
      An effective strike against them is possible only with the use of tactical or strategic nuclear weapons, China also has it, and not limited to any agreements, and no one controls its number and location. I hope no need to explain what its use means. According to any military theory, to provide an overwhelming advantage, it is enough to provide approximately 3,5-fold numerical superiority in manpower and equipment, with approximately the same qualitative level of the armed forces. What is the quality level of our aircraft in the Far East? How many modern tanks? How many air defense systems meet the requirements? How many combat-ready (I’m not already consciously talking about modern requirements) aircraft? And most importantly, is there ammunition for them in the right amount? Recently, I just hear that warehouses are always being transported somewhere, transferred, reduced, destroyed, but I have never heard that modern ammunition arrives. After all, Serdyuk is not, he brought down not only universities and schools, he was specifically to make money on the resale of buildings. The most important thing is that he dumped logistics completely, dumped a mobilization reserve. China has ALL of this in an order of magnitude superior. China is ready for a big war, we’re not ready for it, we don’t need to look for dams or lakes there, better tell me honestly, is it possible to tuck them without reducing everything to armageddon? Fools, in this case everything will depend on the political will, but where can I get it if I deal with the average khachiks once and for all?
    2. biglow
      biglow 12 June 2013 14: 10 New
      +4
      China has no experience in warfare, no experience in military logistics, and much more. So what you write about China’s nuclear potential, do not forget that all these are copies of Soviet weapons, which are always worse than the original. China simply does not have a chance to win. If they were then Taiwan would already be Chinese. The strait that separates them is only 200 kilometers .. Here are the facts
      1. Windbreak
        Windbreak 12 June 2013 22: 22 New
        0
        Quote: biglow
        China has no experience in warfare
        in Korea, did the Chinese just walk around?
  16. MG42
    MG42 12 June 2013 11: 44 New
    +4
    I knew that such an article would appear today as a continuation of the discussion yesterday, although not the author .. bully
    China can theoretically mobilize 400 million in wartime, even just surrendering to such a horde will ruin the economy of any neighbor because it is unrealistic to feed it without breaking its budget ..
    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 12 June 2013 12: 09 New
      +2
      At the end of this fucking overboard, when there was only seaweed on the shelves of the shops (such a disgusting, even for a snack), some were visited by the thought, "Let's declare war on Europe and surrender immediately, let them feed us."
    2. patsantre
      patsantre 12 June 2013 12: 12 New
      0
      You can shoot them, or even better just make yourself produce food + skim the cream of taxes and labor.
  17. Homeless
    Homeless 12 June 2013 12: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: SPACE
    Quote: berimor
    You are very naive! There is no such concentration of modern forces and assets in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on that theater of war, and it is not possible to concentrate them quickly.

    What do you want to concentrate strategic aviation? Or is she not? Or are there few rockets and bombs? How long does it take for different carcasses to hit Engels, and in advance to relocate closer, which takes a lot of time. Sorry, the Chinese do not and will not be there for a long time, much less supersonic! In general, the seriousness of the fact that China will attack, sorry, causes laughter even in my slippers, it is not even serious to discuss, even if every Chinese has a personal type-99. laughing Honestly, I'm just ridiculous.

    I would also laugh if I were confident in the determination of our leadership to repulse with all our might, including TNF and SNS. For some reason, I have no such confidence.
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 12 June 2013 12: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Homeless
      I would also laugh if I were confident in the determination of our leadership to repulse with all our might, including TNF and SNS. For some reason, I have no such confidence.

      -I would like to believe!
      -And you believe! And force your subordinates.

      K / f Stormy gates.
  18. DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 12 June 2013 12: 40 New
    0
    In the event of a war with RUSSIA, upon delivering a nuclear strike against China, he will immediately respond with his nuclear missiles. What city do you think? It seems to me according to MOSCOW. There is no guarantee that all missiles will be shot down, not against the backwardness of air defense, there is simply no absolute guarantee. Which leader will order a nuclear attack, knowing that MOSCOW can be destroyed?
    1. adg76
      adg76 12 June 2013 13: 50 New
      +4
      For starters, Moscow is not all of Russia. The overwhelming majority of the population of Moscow has lost their sense of self-preservation and are incapable of sacrifices. There are true patriots in this city too. But they are few and hard for them. The townspeople look at them like white crows. It is more important for Muscovites to hold a flash mob with St. George ribbons (not even knowing in honor of what, what and how). Moscow is now a luxury and "country dill". Where do they run away from the army most of all? .... Muscovites are no secret to the rest of the citizens of Russia. Let them be offended by my comment, but it is so. And about the leader ...... The one who does not make sacrifices loses. Only self-sacrifice in the struggle for independence can lead to victory, regardless of the number of attackers and their weapons
  19. deman73
    deman73 12 June 2013 12: 43 New
    0
    and it’s best to pit the Chinese with yapps and ami and the whole problem is solved
  20. DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 12 June 2013 13: 09 New
    0
    In Japan, it is necessary to revive the national sport HARAKIRI !!!! Hold Japanese Championships! I think this is easier than pitting their Chinese and Japanese and Americans. Yapy are likely to be allies of China.
    1. True
      True 12 June 2013 13: 48 New
      -2
      If you do not take nuclear weapons, then Japan is militarily much more serious than Russia. And you still have to swim to it. And Russia is nearby. In addition, there is nothing to take in Japan in terms of resources, but Russia has a hoo.
      1. smirnov
        smirnov 12 June 2013 16: 18 New
        +2
        "much more serious than Russia"? Yes you?
  21. Draz
    Draz 12 June 2013 13: 14 New
    +2
    He graduated from the Physics Department of Moscow State University in 1990. He did not serve in the army.

    Adheres to extremely pessimistic views on the prospects of the Russian army, military industry, aircraft manufacturing and shipbuilding, taking all the data exclusively from the media.

    On sites and blogs [1] [2] dedicated to the army and military development, Khramchikhin’s ideas were harshly criticized [3] [4] [5]. In general, Khramchikhin is accused of exaggerating the Chinese threat to Russia. Critics believe that he does not analyze the likelihood of China’s aggression against Russia, but interpretation of any facts in favor of this idea.

    In addition, in the analysis of Khramchikhin's theses, carried out by a leading researcher at the Center for Strategic Problems of Northeast Asia and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization of the Institute of the Far East of the Russian Academy of Sciences, candidate of military sciences Yuri Vasilyevich Morozov, [6] [4] [7] notes that Alexander Khramchikhin exaggerates the problem of overpopulation of China and a lack of minerals, which, in his opinion, can only be solved by the seizure of Russian territories, exaggerates the power of the Chinese army, and also does not understand modern first tactic of warfare by building scenario the Chinese invasion based on the experience of the Second World War and ignoring environmental factors.

    Do you take it seriously?
  22. Megatron
    Megatron 12 June 2013 13: 16 New
    +2
    They will not attack, a nuclear strike on dams and densely populated cities and all.
    And they do not have full-fledged delivery vehicles.

    The United States and Japan are likely to take the side of the Russian Federation, and how it will end, as in the 19th century, will divide China and occupy it. Japan chopped off there, not the Kuril Islands.
  23. adg76
    adg76 12 June 2013 13: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: bask
    But if China strikes Russia, the SSSA enters the war with Japan, I think on the side of China.

    Do not enter immediately. They will wait until we weaken, then they will help us to prolong the conflict. As a result, we have a complete collapse of the economy, subordination to the west. China will be weakened, Russia is in control and in debt. This is a pessimistic scenario. And there is an optimistic one. In the event of an attack by China, a nuclear strike against clusters of troops and human resources on its territory, until the population of China is reduced (an acceptable level for us) or complete surrender on their part. Cleansing its territory from the Chinese troops here, and citizens with unconditional total destruction (not to be taken prisoner) or ousting to contaminated areas of China. At the same time, warn the West and the United States of a nuclear strike against a country that is trying to intervene in the conflict on the side of China. Tough, but differently impossible. or the third option, without waiting for the attack, to give up all efforts to foment a civil war in China and the United States at the same time. Thereby weaken probable opponents
  24. Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 12 June 2013 13: 40 New
    +4
    the surplus of people allows you to choose the best for the service (that is, primarily urban youths)
    hahaha - rural, you hear ?!
  25. WS
    WS 12 June 2013 13: 45 New
    0
    Look at the air scanner, a lot of planes fly to China through all of Russia. The landing was dropped and that’s it. In my opinion, the newspapers constantly write that Chinese military aircraft violate the state border of RUSSIA. The only minus among the Chinese is that they are immediately visible in the face, you can’t confuse anyone with anyone.
  26. KENTAVROS
    KENTAVROS 12 June 2013 14: 19 New
    +2
    China has not won a single war in history. They stupidly do not know how to fight. And the people themselves are not warlike there. With any deviation from the plan, the Chinese fall into a stupor. So when faced with serious resistance, China will deflate quickly. And so a couple of missiles on the dams, and half of China will drown. And in China they understand that it’s useless to climb up to us with weapons.
    We absolutely agree with this, and most of the Chinese weapons are copies of foreign weapons, and they are always worse. And as for tanks, without superiority in the sky they are doomed to defeat.
  27. Black
    Black 12 June 2013 14: 19 New
    -5
    China, of course, is not Estonia. Sperm flood, unless of course they see slack.
  28. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 12 June 2013 14: 24 New
    +1
    I think if the interests of the PRC and the Russian Federation overlap in the near future, then in Central Asia (by the way, where their tanks have a place to “turn around”). All these “Shanghai” groups and commissions will turn out to be a house of cards and a screen. In defending their economic (concessions) and investments, transit routes of delivery) and geopolitical ("wipe out" its main rival, the United States), China will not stop even before an open demonstration of military force. where manufacturing enterprises are being created. By 2020, when the rearmament of the PLA (according to the plans of the Chinese Communist Party) is completed, and Russia "falls" into a demographic hole in terms of the conscript contingent, then a real threat to our territory will hang.
  29. Cat
    Cat 12 June 2013 14: 30 New
    +2
    Russian generals are quite calmly looking at the Chinese army - since a secret Russian shell is capable of penetrating through three Chinese tanks at once.
    Chinese generals, in turn, are also quite calmly slandering the Russian army - since the Chinese tank is exactly three times cheaper than the secret Russian shell.
  30. Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 12 June 2013 15: 20 New
    +2
    while we make ourselves a superpower, try to compete with the states and play take-offs for someone to shit, China becomes a real superpower. in a clever way (this is not our case, we are Pontorez), Russia should have gone into the shade for 15-20 years, and in every possible way stealthily amer and chinas, and for now deal with internal problems that cannot be counted.
    1. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 12 June 2013 15: 38 New
      +2
      Russia urgently needs to concentrate on domestic problems. It is impossible to build a castle in the sand. But, to restore order in Russia - to transplant a couple of million embezzlers and bandits. There is no leader who will go for it.
      1. not good
        not good 13 June 2013 00: 20 New
        0
        Since they are not being planted, it means that someone needs it.
  31. Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 12 June 2013 15: 32 New
    +1
    Hramchkhota in its pristine juice!
  32. Rescuer
    Rescuer 12 June 2013 16: 45 New
    0
    Take a look ...



  33. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 13 June 2013 02: 01 New
    +2
    Dear forum users, who among you has more complete and reliable information about the PLA, political priorities and practical steps on the arena of the Chinese leadership than the GRU of the RF Armed Forces, I urgently inform the President of the Russian Federation-Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces for immediate consideration of the issue at the Council Security and proofs of the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation. In the meantime views on the protection of our state in a concentrated form are expressed in this document.
    1: The military doctrine clearly defines that Russia's main security threat comes from NATO (USA) and its expansion, approaching the borders of the Russian Federation, and not from China.
    2. With the collapse of the Soviet Union and the 20 summer democrats, the United States hastened to dismiss the Russian Federation from the category of Super Powers, identifying us the role of regional leader. For the role 2 superpowers really began to claim China. The policy of the Anglo-Saxons is as old as the world: to do everything to ruin a country that claims to be a world leader and really threatens the hegemony of the States. The USSR fell, the next in line is the PRC.
    3. Faithful centuries-old tradition to rake the heat with the wrong hands, the Anglo-Saxons began to search ally against China. They remembered Russia, but the Russian Federation did not want to carry chestnuts from the fire for the Yankees, but decided to be friends with the PRC against the United States. therefore Russia and China acted as a united front against the American resolution on Iran, Syria.
    4. In order to weaken the PRC and prevent the alliance between Russia and China from strengthening, the States began to pull the Russian Federation to their side. Did not work out. Now - the stage to quarrel, generate distrust and Bleed the Russian Federation and China. The path is a change in public opinion in countries, then a provocation, preferably with human casualties. And the former allies are already looking at each other through the slot of the sight.
  34. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 13 June 2013 02: 04 New
    +2
    5.What connects the Russian Federation and China? Military-technical cooperation (SU-35, 636 ave., Other MBTs, training of troops of the paratrooper paratroopers, etc.), an agreed course in the m-arena (resolutions on Syria, Iran), expanding economic cooperation (energy, forest , min. raw materials), solving the border issue - demarcation of the border.
    6.How to distract regional leaders from the problem of US penetration in the Asia-Pacific region?
    Russia. - Arrange the partition of Ukraine, donating the eastern part in favor of the Russian Federation,
    - slip drug trafficking from Afghanistan through Wed. Asian republics to Russia, and at the same time color revolutions to Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan - to the soft underbelly of the Russian Federation.
    - to revive the protest movement in large cities of the Russian Federation, fundamentalism in Tatarstan, Mordovia, Bashkiria, the gangster underground in the North Caucasus.
    - create economic difficulties by collapsing the hydrocarbon market, intimidating Europe with energy dependence on Moscow, etc.
    B) China. To force the militarization of the economy in the hope that the accumulated mountains of weapons will be used against neighbors.
    - force to tear, creating a modern navy, thereby slowing down the economic growth of a competitor.
    7.And China Arms, Remembering "Peaceful" tricks of the States on the 38 parallels, the 29 year, the atomic bombing of Japan, the war in the DRV (SRV).
    8.After 68 year China had armed incidents with the DRV, India, Japan because of the disputed islands. So the Great Power needs to maintain its reputation by the power of arms.
    9. I do not exclude that situation may change, and China will become, like the United States, an incredible partner. Then it is necessary to reassess the situation and take measures to neutrolize the new threat.
    But! Everything has its time. Problems need to be addressed as they become available.
    smile
  35. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 13 June 2013 02: 09 New
    +3
    Dear forum users, who among you has more complete and reliable information about the PLA, political priorities and practical steps in the arena of the Chinese leadership than the GRU of the RF Armed Forces, I urgently inform the President of the Russian Federation-Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces for immediate consideration of the issue at the Council Security and proofs of the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation. In the meantime, our views in a concentrated form are expressed in this document.
    1. The military doctrine clearly defines that the main threat to the security of the Russian Federation comes from NATO (USA) and its expansion, approaching the borders of the Russian Federation, and not from China.
    2. With the collapse of the USSR and the 20 summer host of democrats, the States hastened to write off the Russian Federation from the category of Super Powers, defining us the role of regional leader. The role of the Superpower-2 really began to claim China. The policy of the Anglo-Saxons is as old as the world: to do everything to ruin a country that claims to be a world leader and really threatens the hegemony of the States. The USSR fell, the next in line is the PRC.
    3. True to the centuries-old tradition, raking in heat with the wrong hands, the Anglo-Saxons began to look for an ally against the PRC. They remembered Russia, but the Russian Federation did not want to carry chestnuts from the fire for the Yankees, but decided to be friends with the PRC against the United States. Therefore, the Russian Federation and the Peoples Republic of China have come forward as a united front against the American resolution on Iran and Syria.
    4. To weaken China, the United States began to pull the Russian Federation to its side. Did not work out. Now - the stage to quarrel, generate mistrust and play off the Russian Federation and China. The path is a change in public opinion in countries, then a provocation, preferably with human casualties. And the former allies are already looking at each other through the slot of the sight.
  36. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 13 June 2013 02: 12 New
    +3
    Read more.
    5. What connects the Russian Federation and China? Military-technical cooperation (SU-35, 636 ave., Other MBTs, training of troops of the paratrooper paratroopers, etc.), an agreed course in the m-arena (resolutions on Syria, Iran), expanding economic cooperation (energy, forest , min. raw materials), solving the border issue - demarcation of the border.
    6. How to distract regional leaders from the problem of US penetration in the Asia-Pacific region? Russia. - Arrange the partition of Ukraine, donating the eastern part in favor of the Russian Federation,
    - slip drug trafficking from Afghanistan through Wed. Asian republics to Russia, and at the same time color revolutions to Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan - to the soft underbelly of the Russian Federation.
    - to revive the protest movement in large cities of the Russian Federation, fundamentalism in Tatarstan, Mordovia, Bashkiria, the gangster underground in the North Caucasus.
    - create economic difficulties by collapsing the hydrocarbon market, intimidating Europe with energy dependence on Moscow, etc.
    B) China. To force the militarization of the economy in the hope that the accumulated mountains of weapons will be used against neighbors.
    - force to tear, creating a modern navy, thereby slowing down the economic growth of a competitor.
    7. And China is arming itself, remembering the "peaceful" tricks of the States on the 38 parallel, the 29 year, the atomic bombing of Japan, the war in the DRV (SRV).
    8. After 68, China had armed incidents with the DRV, India, and Japan over disputed islands. So the Great Power needs to maintain its reputation by the power of arms.
    9. I do not exclude that the situation may change, and China will become, like the United States, an incredible partner. Then it is necessary to reassess the situation and take measures to neutrolize the new threat. But! Everything has its time. Problems need to be addressed as they become available.
  37. Nomad
    Nomad 14 June 2013 13: 30 New
    0
    Quote: DC 3
    I beg you ... It is these 20-40 minutes that will be enough

    Do not talk nonsense. What distance can the army cover in 20-40 minutes without even encountering resistance? And what are the distances in Kazakhstan? 20-40 minutes is an abstraction, if you build in the field the whole army of the Republic of Kazakhstan against the army of China. Now nobody is fighting like that.
  38. Nomad
    Nomad 14 June 2013 13: 35 New
    +1
    And attacking the Far East is like a bear stabbing in the ass with a knife and watching what happens next.