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Overcoat: two centuries in the army

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Overcoat: two centuries in the armyThis type of military uniforms is familiar to every soldier, and in many civilians he is also very famous. His appearance was due to the fashion of his time, but the practical practicality and low cost of manufacturing allowed him to survive his era. The rulers left, empires disappeared, wars arose and faded, the type of military uniform changed several times, but the overcoat remained at its fighting position for a long time, and what is remarkable, practically unchanged.


Under the overcoat is usually understood uniform coat of thick woolen fabric with a fold at the back and holding it folded strap. The word itself is borrowed from French, where "chenille" means morning suit. Now there is no reliable data, who and when invented overcoat. There are only estimated dates.

The first overcoat, or rather a great coat (greatcoatb), was put on by the British at the end of the 17th century. Its appearance, of course, was different from today, primarily by the absence of sleeves. But the defensive properties, thanks to which it warmed the host well in wet and rainy weather, were quickly appreciated by the military. And at the turn of the century she comes to the army of Her Majesty. So in 1800, the Duke of Kent, the force commander in Canada, issued a decree according to which all officers in British North America were supposed to wear a double-breasted coat made of blue cloth. Two years later, in 1802, these rules were issued for the entire British army.
At about the same time, the overcoat came to Russia. At that time, our state constantly participated in wars; therefore, officials did not spare money for the army and, speaking in today's language, introduced the newest technologies. But as it happens in our country, nothing happened without incidents and sad stories.

The first mentions of the introduction of the overcoat in the army appear in the infantry charter, according to which, the overcoat was relied on to all combat and non-combat lower ranks for wearing in cold and rainy weather over the uniform. For ranks of the chasseurs battalions, and later regiments, overcoats were supposed to be built of dark green cloth, for all other regiments - of white. For each overcoat, the 4 arshin of the 4 top of the cloth and the lining of the 3 arshin of the canvas were released. Buttons, 6 pieces, were supposed to be wooden, covered with cloth. Term socks overcoat appointed in 4 year.
During 1797, part of the infantry regiments, in which the terms of the old Potemkin epancies (cloak without sleeves) were worn out and which did not have time to build new ones by the end of the year, after receiving an order to extend the term of service of epanches, they began to build overcoats in a new pattern stipulated by the charter. The overcoats, according to eyewitnesses, quickly began to gain popularity. So this is described by one grenadier of the Butyrsky regiment: “The overcoat with sleeves. It was very comfortable; unlike the cloaks; Especially in inclement weather or winter. It is possible to put on all over ammunition overcoats, but with a raincoat you can't do it: it was without sleeves. ”

But for some reason, all these obvious advantages of overcoats were ignored by Emperor Paul, and he ordered a return to the old cloaks. Why he did it is not clear so far. Whether from considerations of cheapness of the latter, or from imitation of the Prussians, but anyway, in the new states and table sheets of field infantry and cavalry regiments, "Highest from His Imperial Majesty confirmed on 5 on January 1798 of the year" were again for all lower level officers white cloaks were introduced, with the exception of only combatant and non-combatant ranks of chasseurs regiments and non-combat musketeers and grenadiers regiments to which overcoats were left, first dark green and last white cloth.

It is not known who initiated the overcoat's return to life, but the fact remains that already at the beginning of 1799, His Imperial Highness, Grand Duke Alexander Pavlovich, who presides over the Military Department, presented to the emperor for testing new models of overcoats that were supposed to have all the ranks instead of raincoats. After the positive decision of Pavel I, Alexander Pavlovich sent these samples directly to the head of the Commissariat Expedition, General of Infantry and Cavalier Vyazmitinov, and announced the 30 of the State Military Collegium on January: white-cloth coats were laid, instead of those overcoats with overcoats, according to the highest tested new samples, assuming the proportion of the cloth was the same as that put on the cloak ; i.e .: in cavalry regiments in 5, and in other foot troops in 4 arshin 4 top for each overcoat ”.
The decree entered the Military Collegium on January 31, and already on February 5, the State Military Collegium issued a decree to the troops and all the proper authorities: “For proper execution, after the deadlines, the current amount of cloaks from the Commissariat was released to the proper number of canvas in the sleeves. "

Two years later, overcoat firmly established in the army.

There is an entry in the multi-volume “Historical description of changes in the clothes and weapons of the Russian troops ”, published in 1899, which contains all the decrees on military uniforms dating from the time of Prince Vladimir to Nicholas II, confirming the presence of an overcoat in the army of that period.
“On April 30, 1802, a new uniform, ammunition and weapons the things of the Grenadier Regiments, on the basis of which and the above four decrees, the rank-and-file of the first, or Chef’s, actually Grenadier battalions are: a uniform or caftan, trousers; boots; tie; fodder and grenadier caps, overcoat, sweatshirt; sword, with a lanyard; harness; a gun with a bayonet, a belt, a flint cover and a half-bag: cartridge bag with a bandage; satchel and aquifer. "

According to the same document, the overcoat looked like this:
“... from unpainted cloth, dark or light gray, if only in the whole regiment of the same color - with a collar and shoulder straps in color and uniform uniform, and with gray, round cuffs. It was built so that it could be worn not only on the uniform, but also on the sweatshirt or the coat. In front, it was fastened with seven copper, flat buttons, sewn from one another at such a distance that, when the belt was worn over the overcoat, the bottom button fell under the belt, and the upper half of the rear valves went beyond the belt. Modernization was constantly. From October 19 1803, "all non-commissioned officers Musketeer regiments, in uniforms and overcoats, instead of one shoulder strap, are commanded to have two."
For the rank-and-file overcoats, they were made of the cheapest cloth at the price of 65 kopecks per arshin; it was gray or, as they said, of a grain color. The overcoat fabric required a lot - one thing took about three meters, and even more than four meters on a cavalry overcoat. The fact is that the cavalry was longer, with more folds on the back. And when the rider was in the saddle, he unzipped the strap from behind and straightened the floors of his overcoat, like a blanket. The edges of the overcoat were not processed in any way - thick cloth, unlike thin cloth, is not frayed.

Sewed overcoats of special woolen cloth, which had excellent thermal insulation properties - in field conditions, the soldiers wrapped themselves in it, like in a blanket. Modern lovers who are reconstructing historical military events have also tried: they say that it is not cold, especially if we take in front of this “front” one hundred grams. The cloth is very durable, even in fire it does not burn: for example, if a spark from a fire hit, it will not flare up, but will slowly smolder.

A good example of the fact that the overcoat deserved love among the soldiers is the appearance of anecdotes, fairy tales and fables with her participation. Here is one of the stories:
The master spoke with the soldier. The soldier began to praise his overcoat: "When I need to sleep, I will put on my overcoat, and put on my overcoat in my head, and cover myself with my overcoat." The master began to ask the soldier to sell his overcoat. Here they are for twenty-five rubles bargained. The master came home and said to his wife: “What kind of thing I bought! Now I don’t need any feather beds, no pillows, no blankets: I put the overcoat on my bed and put on my overcoat in my head and put on my overcoat. ” His wife began to scold him: “Well, how are you going to sleep?” And for sure, the lord laid down his overcoat, but there was nothing to put on and put on in their heads, and he was hard to lie on. The master went to the regimental commander to complain about the soldier. The commander ordered to call a soldier. They brought a soldier. “What are you, brother,” says the commander, “deceived the gentleman?” “No, no, your honor,” the soldier replies. He took the soldier's overcoat, spread it, put his head on his sleeve, and covered himself with a hollow. “How good it is,” he says, “on the overcoat after a hike I sleep!” The regimental commander praised the soldier.

On the other hand, it is believed that it was not very convenient to fight in the overcoat. Long floors got tangled under their feet and shackled movement. At one time, soldiers in the ranks were allowed to refuel the edges of their overcoats by a belt, so that it was more convenient to march.

Over the course of its “service” in the Russian, then the Soviet, and then the Russian army, the overcoat has repeatedly changed in length and style, adjusting to the needs of the military.

In the Red Army in 1919 the following style of overcoat was approved: single-breasted, in cloth of protective color, with colored valves (depending on the type of troops). Chest valves for some reason called "talk". Then the "conversations" disappeared, the overcoat began to be fastened with hooks. Since 1935, the greatcoat has become double-breasted, with a turn-down collar. On the back, there was only one oncoming fold (it used to be 6–7), apparently, to save material. The length was determined simply: measured from the floor 18-22 cm and cut off. The color of an overcoat in the army has always remained close to either protective or steel. But even if the overcoat was of the same sample, in different regions it could differ in color - dyes in different factories gave their shade. And only the naval personnel fleet always flaunted in identical black overcoats.

As in the tsarist army, the Red Army adopted the infantry and cavalry (floor-length) overcoats. They were sewn from rough gray-brown cloth. For officers and senior officers sewed overcoats of high quality cloth. The general's overcoats had lapels lined with red material, and red piping at the seams. For generals aviation such edging and lapels were blue. The front officer’s overcoat was sewn of steel cloth. In the fleet, the greatcoat was sewn from black cloth.

In Soviet times, especially in the pre-war and war years, an entire industry worked on the production of overcoats and cloth for them - millions of meters of cloth were made per year. Each overcoat took about three meters of fabric. All this, of course, came in handy during the Second World War, where the overcoats had to go along with the soldiers all the hardships and tribulations. And it was used not only by the Allied countries, but also by the Germans.

One of the best memories of what the overcoat was for people of that time can be the eponymous story of Victor Astafyev.
“... She pities her soldier's overcoat. In this overcoat, she crawled along the front lines and carried out on her the one who became the father of her only son. Under this greatcoat she slept, loved and bore her child.

Once she had nothing to feed her son, nothing to buy hot meals from the children's kitchen. It was March in the yard, and she decided that the cold was over, carried her overcoat to the market and gave it off for nothing, because at that time and on the market a lot of overcoats were being sold, almost new and with hlyastiky ... The son lay in the dark and thought about that the first gray hair of her mother probably appeared on the day she sold her overcoat. And he also thought that he had to live a very big life and it was terrible to do a lot to pay for that soldier’s overcoat without a strap. ”

After World War II, the overcoat was still in service for a long time. A radical change came during the Afghan campaign, where she had to gradually give way to more modern clothes, say, a quilted jacket and camouflage pea coat. Although quilted jackets appeared even during the Finnish war - they were hooked to heat all under the same overcoat, only in 70-s they became independent clothing. No matter how sad, but the time of the overcoat, despite all its merits, is gone.

In the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation overcoat as a type of uniforms disappeared. She was replaced by a double-breasted woolen coat of olive color (black for the Navy), which is worn with epaulets, chevron and emblems by the type of military. For officers and warrant officers a removable fur collar (for generals and colonels from astrakhan) and a lining is provided. Of course, they are also out of habit called the greatcoat, but there is practically nothing left from those properties that a thing with such a name should have. It is not warm and very crumpled. On the other hand, and the requirements for it have changed. If earlier it was necessary to go on the attack, now it was not required, since the coat is positioned as a kind of casual or formal dress. In addition, the uniform coat of the same tailoring began to be worn not only by the military, but also by the prosecutors, the Emergencies Ministry, Rostekhnadzor, the Russian railways and other organizations. Only the color is different.

But if the coat of the 90 sample was somehow similar in appearance and material to an overcoat, in the new version by Valentin Yudashkin it finally acquired the status of its true name - a coat with epaulets. In this form, it is used in the armies of other countries.
It is regrettable, but the overcoat gradually disappeared from army use, although it will probably be remembered for a long time to come.
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  1. shurup
    shurup 18 March 2013 08: 12
    +8
    The brave soldier Schweik checked the Russian overcoat, finding that it was warmer and more comfortable than the Austrian one. A coat from Yudashkin Schweik would not like.
    I tried on somehow a leather SS coat and realized that in it you can only move around by car.
    But you really can’t run through the mountains in the greatcoat, and for positional warfare, that’s it.
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 18 March 2013 09: 14
      -6
      Sorry, but you are a fool, Yudashkin did not sew an army uniform, stop writing nonsense. On this issue, contact the MO.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 18 March 2013 10: 40
        13
        Quote: Marrying
        Sorry, but you are a fool


        For now, I remind you of the rules of the site. Is it really so difficult to comply with them in this case. without going to insults .. As an option, I'm sorry, but you wrong
        1. AK-47
          AK-47 18 March 2013 10: 46
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          For now, I remind you of the rules of the site.

          Minus set by mistake, compensate three times.
  2. predator.3
    predator.3 18 March 2013 08: 26
    19
    You’ll unfasten the whip, here’s your blanket! In winter, sometimes you had to take cover over blankets! good
    1. Sewer
      Sewer 18 March 2013 16: 01
      +1
      It was the same with us!
  3. Atlon
    Atlon 18 March 2013 08: 34
    +5
    And how cool a piece of a soldier’s greatcoat polished plaque! ;)
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 18 March 2013 09: 17
      0
      Overcoat has served 200 years, she is a relic of the past, like boots, a new era, new materials, someday, what is now considered new will also go down in history.
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 18 March 2013 10: 43
      +7
      Quote: Atlon
      And how cool a piece of a soldier’s greatcoat polished plaque


      And the covers of demobilization albums were also made of greatcoats
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 18 March 2013 18: 54
        +1
        The album is NOT MY !!! The service life is approximately the same, (in PM do not send questions)
    3. saygon66
      saygon66 18 March 2013 12: 01
      0
      - Here! And also some cunning personalities used a braid instead of velvet - polishing boots! And often, these bastards were rubbing at each other ..
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 18 March 2013 12: 43
        +2
        "Thong disease" is a classic. The loss of one is enough so that in a month there will be no straps left on any battery overcoat.

        By the way, a similar picture with many other objects, for example bowlers or circles.
        1. Explore
          Explore 18 March 2013 15: 39
          +1
          A disease that has not yet been eradicated.
          I remember when the shows began, and someone lacked one cloak-tent or a bowler, then the next day the shortage was already at half l / s. However, by the time the show itself, all things were located and even with a margin ...

          It's the same with polygons. Half of the things were lost. However, upon returning to the unit, everything "returned".

          The year was 2011 from r.kh.
        2. erix-xnumx
          erix-xnumx 22 March 2013 07: 34
          0
          As always, they were tying at a neighbor with a margin.
    4. Col.
      Col. 19 March 2013 22: 21
      0
      Quote: Atlon
      And how cool a piece of a soldier’s greatcoat polished plaque! ;)

      ... and wipe boots with a stranger’s whip!
  4. Bort radist
    Bort radist 18 March 2013 09: 20
    +5
    Overcoat - many used to the fullest after the demobilization, did not store as a beret, badges, parade, namely, they fully used. Fishing, hunting, work. Overcoat and vest. I remember in 1976, urgent. Army fashion. Overcoats are shortened. Cotton sutured. Iron boots brought to fashion. At the divorce, the kompk saw shortened (in fact, it was an occasion to throw pizchek to the officers so that the service does not seem to be honey). The history of the greatcoat, its purpose and the consequences of confusion and reeling for combat and flight training were briefly described. Everything is figurative with idiomatic expressions. Problem statement - in two days, all overcoats to hem! And it began. Old leeks, cut hem wassat In appearance all the greatcoats are the same, it turned out that khaki has a thousand shades. When the foreman built, neighing, and then sad. At the regimental construction of the regiment, he looked silently, waved his hand, this question did not rise again. I rarely went in my greatcoat (technicals, flying jacket). Therefore, she was in line with me and was even a little longer. My height is 184. In the barracks in the winter there was a cudgel all winter. After the lights out, he slightly clicked and she was taken away in a swoop. An overcoat plus a blanket could have slept warmly.
    1. phantom359
      phantom359 19 March 2013 03: 35
      +4
      You served in aviation. Me too, and so - they tried not to wear their greatcoats at all (if possible). Like a coat, wherever it went, but to carry out some tasks is a complete mockery. They joked that her enemies had planted us. He pulled and did not wave his hand, nor really turn around. Flying and special clothes - this is a completely different matter - comfortable, warm in winter, cool in summer, done for people. It’s good that we got rid of this anachronism. Some here love footcloths too. Let's remember about bast shoes, so to speak for color.) The field and special uniforms should be in the form in which they are now being introduced into the troops. The overcoat can be left for parades. I feel the minuses will fly now, but I expressed the opinion of many of the guys with whom I flew.
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 19 March 2013 06: 41
        +2
        Quote: phantom359
        overcoat tried not to wear at all

        So it was, jackets, technicals (jumpsuit), but for the parade, divorce, everything is in the overcoat. Winter high fur boots, fur boots. But covering in the cold is easier with an overcoat. Yes, they crashed combat missions, no one did not carry out all the suits in my opinion - tankmen, troops, ..........,
  5. AK-47
    AK-47 18 March 2013 09: 48
    +2
    ... regrettably, the overcoat gradually disappeared from the army, although it will probably be remembered for a long time to come.

    Yes, regrettably, but things are changing for the better.

    A bit of lyrics.

    He walked, taking equal steps along the line, walked without knowing the obstacles,
    In May, in January - any of the soldiers of the Russian army at times.
    The soldier walked in an expensive brief direction towards the target,
    Over the soldier’s back, a greatcoat is tightly twisted into a roll.
    A soldier was walking along a long road - behind the halt a pass.
    He walked half-Europe with his overcoat to Berlin.
    And a seat on a halt, and a cloak, and a bed,
    And combat clothing is all his overcoat.
  6. Reindeer herder
    Reindeer herder 18 March 2013 09: 54
    0
    My first overcoat was 3 months older than me. smile I didn’t even have to cut it off - it was the statutory length right away. And most importantly, a "fur coat" was made of it with a metal brush, which was difficult or impossible to do in later issues. Because of the raised pile, she seemed even warmer. I don’t know how many people worn her, but many asked to go to the wilderness.
  7. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 18 March 2013 10: 30
    0
    I predict the beginning of holivar about overcoats, footcloths, boots, and so on. All the old leaves sooner or later, bayonet attacks are gone, total attacks are gone, and much more. We must move to the future and not look back.
  8. Ascetic
    Ascetic 18 March 2013 10: 54
    11
    Do I want a war?
    I am Russian,
    but how am I
    do not fight
    for a bright world
    not dull, -
    I'm sick of
    to stuff
    chips on flimsy fences
    in the native village and around!
    Wherever you look
    thieves are everywhere.
    Everywhere you throw
    shine everywhere
    In eyes
    from gloss and advertising,
    and flickering lights ...
    Wherever you drop
    everywhere louts
    and the richer
    that hamey.
    in my
    countryside
    axis of the universe!
    Wherever you go
    everywhere the world
    alive,
    native,
    ordinary -
    and there is no money in it
    my idol.
    What about you? -
    you fly there
    on a spit
    earth axis
    and you can only hear:
    - pay! -
    Yes ugh you
    Lord save ...
    Well, how am I
    with such a horde
    and the oligarchs
    and bureaucrats?
    They will make me Barabbas.
    - You see,
    jesus jesus? -
    Well, how am I
    don't fight
    with them?
    After all, I will not survive in the dark.
    And will they become different
    hitting mine
    on them
    swing?
    They won’t ...
    Forever crook greedy.
    Fight with him
    il do not fight
    everywhere he paid entrance
    wherever you throw
    wherever you spit.
    So how
    brothers
    without war
    with non-Russian
    Russian this evil?
    They will go to death
    bandits
    hugging with a full wallet.
    Wherever you poke -
    nerves are torn
    from the hopelessness of fate -
    everywhere
    dollars and euros
    bankers everywhere - and ...
    coffins;
    And for us -
    a penny and a half.
    In their pockets they are considered lice.
    And in the twilight -
    like rotten ones -
    light bulbs are burning
    for the soul...

    And in the chest
    at the bottom -
    greatcoats.
    Their native moth does not take them.
    Do Russians want? ..
    Dressed.
    In overcoats,
    brothers
    we are not a goal!
    Overcoats -
    reference clothes.
    Damn not scary
    and cold.
    Now
    let the market all
    korezhit!
    In overcoats -
    Is this a disaster?
    On the walls as part
    our grandfathers
    in gray overcoats.
    And the fathers.
    No overcoats -
    and there is no victory ...
    That's it,
    Wonderful well done!
    Pyotr Korytko

    An overcoat for a Russian is not just a uniform, but a symbol of the spirit. Victory symbol!
  9. saygon66
    saygon66 18 March 2013 11: 39
    +6
    - And also, everyone who could, “got out” the cadet's overcoats: they were made of thinner cloth, differed in color, there were 4 buttons instead of 3 on the back section. The ceremonial officer's overcoat looked beautiful - light gray cloth. I'm not talking about quality - not many civilian things can be compared. It was possible to leave the greatcoat as a form for special occasions, what a rich history it has. not like the current ones. pea-colored "postman" coats!
    1. erix-xnumx
      erix-xnumx 22 March 2013 07: 38
      +2
      In our school, the "bowptyans" - the soldiers of the BOUP (battalion for the provision of the educational process) tried to leave for demobilization in a cadet's overcoat. She really looked more decent than a soldier's.
      1. volan
        volan April 12 2013 19: 48
        +1
        Yes, yes .. In '93, he quit the State Military Inspection for Internal Affairs, grabbing a used student’s overcoat. 20 years have passed, and still in winter I put on her cropped version in addition to my full-time mining robe.
  10. s1н7т
    s1н7т 18 March 2013 11: 42
    +8
    Indeed, the warmest memories! good
  11. ded_73
    ded_73 18 March 2013 12: 29
    +6
    I remember my beauty, cadet, dark gray. Yeah, few people succeeded in sewing on her shoulder straps the first time. In the fourth year, in 1995, a replacement was supposed to happen, but there were no cadets anymore, they offered soldiers, so in one all five years passed. Although of course, at a temperature already below -10 C, it was not very warm. But the appearance, of course, was stricter in it. More warlike, perhaps.
    Then, being already a course officer, I came to the idea that with the transition to camouflage, something, at least in the cadet units, began to get lost. It's one thing to sew on a shoulder strap, a buttonhole, a chevron, and to follow the shape is another to pin a metal letter "K". There are no trifles in the education of future officers, no matter how commonplace it is. And the simplification path isn't always the best one.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 18 March 2013 13: 56
      +3
      Quote: ded_73
      But the appearance, of course, was stricter in it.


      To the point.
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 18 March 2013 18: 40
      +2
      Quote: ded_73
      I remember my beauty, cadet, dark gray. Yeah, few people succeeded in sewing on her shoulder straps the first time. In the fourth year, in 1995, a replacement was supposed to happen, but there were no cadets anymore, they offered soldiers, so in one all five years passed. Although of course, at a temperature already below -10 C, it was not very warm. But the appearance, of course, was stricter in it. More warlike

      I had 2. Cadet-for dismissals and soldier-for service. He loved the soldier more.
  12. fenix57
    fenix57 18 March 2013 12: 52
    +1
    i ", -] ["i] Overcoat - an element of the uniform of persons in government service, a uniform coat with folds on the back and holding it with a folded strap.
    I'm sad about my greatcoat
    I see smoky dreams
    No, they didn’t manage to
    Return from War.

    Days fly like bullets
    Like shells of the year ...
    Still not returned
    Will never be returned.

    And where do I go?
    A friend is killed in a war.
    A silent heart
    Began to fight in me. hi
  13. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 18 March 2013 13: 36
    +8
    The overcoat is of course something with something ...
    Overcoats stroked, cleaned and watched them.
    It is impossible to stand hunched over in the overcoat; she held the posture both in the ranks and in dismissal. Always marveled at her property.
    It was very comfortable sleeping in it. You hang somewhere in the outfit or where the Motherland will send, where there is no bed, and there is so much pressure to squeeze so hot that there is no urine: if you unfasten the strap, here’s your mattress and blanket.
    I remember somehow staying around for several days indoors (either they stupidly killed time or defended their homeland, I don’t remember exactly), it’s cold at night, they pulled chairs to the radiators and covered with their overcoat, the heat was in Africa ...
    They slept at tents in 10 places in the winter at the training ground: we lay down all on one side and on top in bulk all unbuttoned overcoats (with one blankets - it would be like a khan), survived.
    In bad weather sticking out in the field in the trenches, it’s also very convenient that it’s long: warm and dry. But then they cleaned it to a decent appearance for almost a day.
    Nostalgia ... ehma.
    But running around in the field and jumping home in it is of course ... wah-wah ... heavy and uncomfortable. Here the good old padded jacket steers, and put anything on top of it: at least camouflage at least the net.

    Of course, the time for an overcoat as a field uniform has passed, but, in my opinion, sewing newfangled formal-everyday coats SHOULD take into account the experience of an overcoat as an ideal combat clothing, otherwise they sew, you know, some civilian coats ...
  14. ALPETSEM
    ALPETSEM 18 March 2013 13: 39
    +3
    In addition, the overcoat is an all-weather thing, a joke in confirmation:
    An old soldier meets in the winter and asks:
    - And what, soldier, is it not cold, tea, in an overcoat?
    - Why are you, grandmother, she is fleece. The granny of the same soldier meets in the same overcoat, but in the summer:
    “And what, soldier, is it not hot in the greatcoat in the summer?”
    “No, grandmother, she’s unlined.”
    1. erix-xnumx
      erix-xnumx 22 March 2013 07: 42
      -1
      Well yes. It's like an anecdote about a door from an infantry fighting vehicle on a soldier's hump - in the summer it wears it open, so that the draft would cool, and in the winter in a closed one, so that the heat would not blow out. And when the kitchen is delayed for a week, the boychishka throws off the BMP's door from the ridge and fights light for another three days without "recharging".
  15. Dictator
    Dictator 18 March 2013 15: 10
    +6
    How sad it became, the overcoat was taken away, the boots were taken away, the footcloths were even taken away, it remains only to pick up the machines! - What to fight with now?
    1. Kunar
      Kunar 17 January 2014 00: 20
      0
      crying I cry with fuel and lubricant tears ...
  16. atesterev
    atesterev 18 March 2013 18: 06
    0
    By the way, naval officers in some cases had a coat, not a greatcoat.
    1. seafarer
      seafarer 19 March 2013 03: 26
      +1
      In the USSR Navy there were 5 (five) uniforms:
      No. 1 - white "Gollan", white trousers, white belt, black boots. She dressed only for the Navy Day at the Black Sea Fleet and Pacific Fleet.

      No. 2 - white "Gollan" with a vest, black trousers (boots are naturally also black).
      No. 3 - dark blue cloth "gollanka", black trousers
      No. 4 - pea jacket,
      No. 5 - an overcoat.
      Moreover, forms №№ 1-3 were exclusively ceremonial days off, because on ships went in a robe, and "burnouts". And instead of a peakless cap they wore a beret, or as it was called at the Pacific Fleet - a cap.

      The officers / midshipmen had the same 5 uniforms, only with uniform №1 "white" boots were put on, and instead of a pea jacket there was an officer's double-breasted coat. Well, of course, none of the officers and warrant officers wore Gollanoks.

      The number of the uniform and the color of the cap on the cap and cap are announced by order of the commander of the ship on the basis of the order of the commander of the fleet / garrison base.

      Officers could wear coats with uniforms No. 3 - No. 6, depending on temperature.
      In general, with a coat in the Navy, everything is not so simple. It was a uniform but only everyday and out of action! Any service is either a tunic or an overcoat.
      And it turned out in the form of No. 4: sailors in pea jackets, and the officer (midshipman) either freezes in a tunic or soars in an overcoat.
  17. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 18 March 2013 18: 46
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    Quote: Bort Radist
    Overcoat - many used to the fullest after the demobilization, did not store as a beret, badges, parade, namely, they fully used.

    it is so, there my classmate after a demobilization carried a greatcoat for more than a year, just changed his epaulets to police, and went to the service. But that's nothing, I went in a sheepskin coat, in the same police station. It’s just that the times were hard, the form was not enough.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 18 March 2013 20: 37
      +1
      Quote: MRomanovich

      it is so, there my classmate after a demobilization carried a greatcoat for more than a year, just changed his epaulets to police, and went to the service. But that's nothing, I went in a sheepskin coat, in the same police station. It’s just that the times were hard, the form was not enough.

      Here, reminded. My grandfather, said that even in the 41st year, when switching to the winter form, they had choices. Either a cotton suit + overcoat, or a short fur coat (I didn’t understand why, I was very petty), but I remember very well that those who chose the first option won, especially in the off-season. Think for yourself options. A quilted jacket, an overcoat, an overcoat with a quilted jacket, or just a gymnast with warm underwear. A short fur coat what ...?
    2. datur
      datur 18 March 2013 21: 29
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      [quote = MRomanovich]. It’s just that the times were hard, the form wasn’t enough. - would you see our company at this time !! yes partisan detachment, not a police company !!! laughing and I had an overcoat and an officer’s one, with a cap, so it was a sight for sore eyes, they already envied !!! good
  18. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 18 March 2013 21: 12
    +8
    The first time I rolled up a skating rink from my greatcoat in front of the guard, I was taught, stunned, a whole science! Everything was thought out to the smallest detail in an overcoat. And in winter, in a guard coat over his overcoat, no frost is terrible.
    "On the other hand, there is an opinion that it was not very convenient to fight in an overcoat. The long flaps got tangled underfoot and hampered movement. At one time, soldiers in the ranks were allowed to tuck the edges of the overcoat into the belt to make it easier to march."
    Four hooks were sewn on the overcoat floors so that they could be attached to the belt. In the field, in the dirt picked up and forward.
    By the way, the length is also not from the ceiling. In fact, the longer the overcoat, the warmer it is in the autumn wind.
    I will add. After the soldier’s overcoat was cut off, they were seared with fire from a burning twisted newspaper so that the hem would not creep out later.
  19. Dima
    Dima 19 March 2013 01: 51
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    Hmm ... there were times ... smile Our foreman liked to talk- In summer, the overcoat is not hot, because it is unlined, in winter it is not cold, because it is wool! good
  20. seafarer
    seafarer 19 March 2013 03: 37
    -1
    Overcoat, of course, is good!
    But in the Navy pea jacket was always more valued. And in the article in the picture, the sailor is dressed in a pea jacket.
  21. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 19 March 2013 06: 12
    +8
    Sometimes I remember my overcoat ... And on the parade ground, it warmed me and on the platoon over the blanket winked
  22. tlauicol
    tlauicol 19 March 2013 15: 31
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    during marching, sometimes the floors were fastened back like an ass by an ant - that was a rzhka - a crowd of ants walk in formation laughing
  23. wandlitz
    wandlitz April 6 2013 22: 36
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    An unforgettable picture, you go into the sleeping room for minutes through 30 after lights out and not a single overcoat on the hanger. They are all blankets on top. Pea jacket does not hide.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 11 2013 16: 55
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      Have you served in the navy? Me not. It has its own specifics. And pea jacket was not just invented.
  24. Murzyak
    Murzyak April 16 2013 23: 49
    +4
    In Suvorov, there was a fashion for overcoated overcoats (cut to 1-2 belts), the cadet became a different mode the longer, the better, especially the code needs to hide. You can’t stoop over the overcoat, I still walk - taking my back, shoulders deployed, and after more than 20 years have passed. Often I see modern cadets in their jackets and coats, it looks like a bag of potatoes is standing. not that youthfulness. So the new one is certainly good, but something good is lost. Then someone spoke dismissively at the expense of footcloths, and yet you can sing a hymn to them. With footcloths, my legs were always dry. With modern socks this will not work.
  25. EXA-2
    EXA-2 20 June 2013 09: 47
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    I warmly remember the overcoat. When they issued the pea jacket, it took a long time to get used to. The pea jacket seemed to me somehow uncomfortable. There was a feeling that we were deceived. Naturally, I'm talking about an officer overcoat. He served in a repair base.
  26. pan grizian
    pan grizian 22 June 2013 15: 50
    +2
    How I got the overcoat to the demobilization is a separate song. A stranger is not interested, but for me a whole saga
  27. swertalf
    swertalf 17 November 2013 20: 07
    -1
    An overcoat is a curse for a soldier. I don't understand your nostalgia. It is cold in winter, hot in spring and autumn. In addition, for the superpower, which the USSR was, it was a great shame - an army dressed in an ersatz uniform - an overcoat and kirzachi. Even during the "winter" war, a serious shortage of this uniform was belatedly noted - the Red Army soldiers attacking the Finnish fortifications clung to the barbed wire with their greatcoat and became a fixed target for the Finnish snipers. Quilted jackets in this sense were safer. There was nothing outstanding except cheapness in a soldier's greatcoat and now it is not. Of course, an officer's overcoat with a soldier's one probably cannot be compared - he did not wear it. In general, there is a paradox - a person who does not have to lie in the snow and stand on guard is dressed in warm, good-quality cloth, and his subordinates freeze in the cold in coarse support nuts.
    1. Kunar
      Kunar 17 January 2014 00: 26
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      Bad dancer, like a gritsa ....
    2. Vlvl
      Vlvl 23 June 2018 15: 06
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      Apparently not served. Or the service was in greenhouse conditions. But during his service, to something, but there were no complaints about his overcoat. Of course, everything has its time. I hope now the form is as comfortable and modern as we are, then an overcoat.