Military Review

Neither the number nor the skill. The Uzbek army is not a modern military force.

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The armed forces of Uzbekistan emerged at the end of 1991, after the collapse of the USSR. Supreme Commander is President Islam Karimov. The army is led by the Ministry of Defense. In 2000, in the course of reforming the armed forces of the Republic of Uzbekistan, the Joint Headquarters of the Armed Forces was formed on the basis of the General Staff - a single command body for the development and implementation of decisions in the field of armed protection of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country.


The total strength of the armed forces is 68 thousand, of which 45 thousand is in land forces. Also in the Armed Forces include air force and air defense troops, special forces and the National Guard.

Composition, goals and objectives

The armed forces of Uzbekistan are recruited by conscription and on a voluntary basis. The draft age is 18 years. The service life is one year for those with secondary education and nine months for people with higher education. The goal is the creation of a professional army, formed by volunteer contractors. Currently, the number of volunteers seeking to serve in the armed forces is much higher than the number of vacancies, so contract soldiers are selected on a competitive basis. This is due to the high level of unemployment in Uzbekistan, a significant part of the population of which leaves in search of work in neighboring countries.

Neither the number nor the skill. The Uzbek army is not a modern military force.The weak point remains the low level of salaries for military personnel. For most, it does not exceed 100 dollars per month. A large part of the ethnic Uzbeks officers in the 90-s preferred to serve in the Russian army, where the salary is much higher. At the same time, the level of education and combat training of military personnel in Uzbekistan is considered the highest in Central Asia. The country's armed forces are superior in this respect to the armed forces of Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. Corruption and theft of military property are widespread in the Uzbek army. The command staff, according to Uzbek sources, is more than 90 percent ethnic Uzbeks.

The number of the male population between the ages of 16 to 49 years 2010 7 887 year was 000 people, of whom fit for military service were considered 6 566 000. Every year, thousands of men reach 306,4 military age.

Military spending - 3,5 percent of GDP. In terms of currency exchange rates, in 2012, 1,8 was a billion dollars, and in terms of purchasing power parity, 3,6 billion.

The military doctrine of Uzbekistan, adopted in 1995 and subjected to some changes in 2000, proclaims: “The Republic of Uzbekistan will not use its armed forces against another state, except in cases of repelling an attack on the Republic of Uzbekistan or other states related to Uzbekistan military assistance; no one in the world is threatened and does not consider anyone as an adversary and has neither territorial nor other claims to any of them and is ready to build relations with all countries on the basis of international law, mutual consideration of security interests; adheres to the non-nuclear principles: not to place, not to produce and not to acquire nuclear weapons».

The military doctrine of Uzbekistan pays special attention to the security of the Central Asian region. It stresses the following: “Currently, between many countries of this region there are essentially no borders in their classical sense. In such circumstances, the conflict that has arisen in any of these countries threatens to cover the entire region.

With the negative development of the military-political situation in the world, and above all in the Central Asian region, the Republic of Uzbekistan may actually face the question of ensuring its own security. ”

The military doctrine considers potential threats: “A high level of concentration of armed groups in various regions of the world; unrelenting tensions of the political situation in the world; the commitment of individual states or blocks of states to conduct their policies from a position of strength; the desire of some states to build up armed groups near the borders of other states; instability of the political situation in neighboring countries and the possibility of its escalation; actions of some states to strengthen their influence on the situation in the countries of the Central Asian region; terrorist acts carried out in the region by extremist political organizations, illegal military formations, as well as their activities aimed at inciting nationalist sentiments and religious intolerance. ”

The military doctrine of Uzbekistan states: “The main military-strategic objectives of the Republic of Uzbekistan are: in peacetime, to maintain the state’s defense capability at the level of necessary sufficiency, guaranteeing the territorial integrity of the republic, suppressing possible provocations and attacks on its sovereignty, ensuring its armed forces to be constantly aggression both independently and in cooperation with the armed forces of the States parties to the Collective real security; in the event of war, guaranteed repulse of aggression, inflicting a decisive defeat on the aggressor both on its own and with the military potential of other states associated with the Republic of Uzbekistan by the relevant treaties. ”

At the same time, the maintenance of the combat potential of peacetime groupings at a level that provides a reflection of the aggression of a local (regional) scale is of paramount importance in the construction of the armed forces.

Regarding cooperation, the Military Doctrine proposes strengthening relations with the United States of America, the European Union, Japan, China, the Commonwealth of Independent States and NATO. Uzbekistan hopes to acquire on the cheap part of the weapons and military equipment after the evacuation of the Allied forces from Afghanistan.

15 May 1992 Uzbekistan signed the Collective Security Treaty, which entered into force in 1994, but in 1999 refused to renew it for another five-year term. However, 16 on August 2006 of the year in Sochi made a decision on the full accession (restoration of membership) of Uzbekistan to the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO). 14 June 2009 Uzbekistan refused to sign an agreement on the creation of a Collective Rapid Reaction Force, 28 June 2012 Tashkent sent a note informing about the suspension of its country’s membership in the CSTO, and 19 December 2012 officially suspended its membership in the CSTO. From this moment Uzbekistan is a neutral state. At the end of August, 2012 adopted the law “On Approval of the Concept of the Foreign Policy Activity of the Republic of Uzbekistan”, which enshrines the impossibility of the state joining any military-political blocs. In addition, it is forbidden to deploy foreign military bases in the country.

Currently, there is one Uzbek military observer in the OSCE mission in Kosovo, and 163 German troops and several C-160 aircraft are deployed in Uzbekistan to support the NATO operation in Afghanistan.

Ground troops

Uzbek ground forces number up to 45 thousand people. Consist of one tank, 11 motorized, one light mountain, one airborne, three air assault and four engineering brigades, as well as six artillery and one missile brigade. They are divided into four special military districts and one command:

  • Southwest - headquarters in Karshi;
  • East - headquarters in Fergana;
  • Central - headquarters in Jizzak;
  • Northwest - headquarters in Nukus;
  • Operational Command - Tashkent.

    In each district there is one fully equipped brigade (motorized infantry, tank or air assault). The remaining teams are not fully staffed.

    All military equipment of Soviet production. The greatest concentration of ground forces is in the area of ​​Tashkent and Termez. Four engineering brigades number about five thousand people.

    Armed with the Army of the T-70 72, 100-64 T, T-170 62, 13 and 2-BRDM, six BRM-1K, 120-1 BMD, BMD nine-2, 270-2 BMP, BTR 50 D, 24 BTR-60, 25 BTR-70, 210 BTR-80.

    The artillery has 18 122-mm ACS 2S1 "Carnation», 17 152-mm ACS 2S3 "Acacia" and 2S5 "Hyacinth-C», 48 203-mm 2S7 "Peony". Towed artillery is represented by 60 122-mm howitzers D-30, 140.

    Anti-tank armament is represented by 36 100-mm anti-tank guns MT-12 and an unknown number of PT RK "Baby" and "Fagot."

    Armed rocket launchers are: 36 BM-21 "Grad", 24 BM-21 "Grad-1", 48 BM-27 "Hurricane" and five tactical missile systems "Tochka".

    Uzbekistan has the following military colleges:

  • Academy of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Uzbekistan;
  • Tashkent Higher Combined Arms Command School (TVOKU);
  • Tashkent Higher Military Technical School of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Uzbekistan;
  • Special Faculty of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Uzbekistan;
  • Higher Military Customs Institute;
  • Samarkand Higher Military Automotive Command School;
  • Jizzakh Higher Military aviation school;
  • Chirchik Higher Military Tank Command Engineering School.


    Air Force and Air Defense Forces

    The Air Force and the Air Defense Forces of Uzbekistan comprise about 17 thousand people. They were created by presidential decree on November 12 of 1992 of the year. The Air Force consists of one fighter regiment, one fighter-bomber regiment, one attack aircraft regiment, one transport aviation regiment, several training aviation squadrons, one assault helicopter regiment, one regiment of transport helicopters.

    The main air bases are in the area of ​​the cities of Chirchik, Karshi, Tashkent, Nukus, Jizzak, Kagan, Termez, Navoi.

    The air defense forces include two anti-aircraft missile brigades and one separate fighter aviation squadron, armed with which are 45 anti-aircraft missile systems C-75, C-125, C-200 and seven fighters Su-27.

    The Air Force 30 MiG-29 and MiG-29 UB, 26 Sioux 17MZ and Su-17UMZ, 23 Su-24, 25 Su-27 and Su-27UB (seven of them - in the composition of air defense), 20 Su-25 and Su-25BM, 264 An-12 and An-12PP, 11 Su-24MP, 13 An-26 and An-26РТР, one An-24, one Tu-134, five Alchebros of Czechoslovakia L-39.

    In addition, there are X-NUMX helicopters Mi-26, 6 Mi-52, two Mi-8, 22 Mi-29, one Mi-24.

    The X-25, X-58, X-23, X-28, Р-27, Р-73, Р-60 missiles are equipped with aircraft and helicopters.

    Aircraft is being repaired at the Tashkent Aviation Plant.

    Special Forces

    The special forces of Uzbekistan consist of a special-purpose brigade (or rapid-reaction brigade) created on the basis of the Chirchik special-purpose team. It has up to five thousand people.

    National guard

    In the service of the National Guard of Uzbekistan, one thousand people. Its units protect the main strategic facilities in Tashkent.

    Troops of the Ministry of the Interior and National Security Service

    The internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Uzbekistan number about 20 thousand people, brought into four to five brigades. The Ministry of Internal Affairs includes a separate special forces battalion, Bars. The border troops of the State Border Protection Committee of the National Security Service (NSS) of Uzbekistan number several thousand people and include the Termez River flotilla. The SNB also has a special forces detachment “Ts” and a special forces detachment “OK Tashkent”.

    That's the whole army.

    The leadership of Uzbekistan states that the republic will not use its armed forces against another state. At the same time, reservations immediately follow, except in cases of repelling an attack on a country. However, Uzbekistan borders on very turbulent neighbors. If we assume that the attack will occur from the Afghan Taliban, then, most likely, the militant Mujahideen will disperse the Uzbek army in a week, or even earlier. In the event of a conflict with neighbors in the former Union for land and water, most likely there will be a classic version of the war of attrition.
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    1. svp67
      svp67 23 May 2013 05: 37 New
      10
      No number, no skill.
      As a few, the author contradicts himself ...
      At the same time, the level of education and combat training of military personnel in Uzbekistan is considered the highest in Central Asia. The country's armed forces in this respect are superior to the armed forces of Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.
      1. Canep
        Canep 23 May 2013 05: 48 New
        +6
        I agree the specific discrepancy. In terms of the number of military equipment, the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan are many times greater than the Armed Forces of Uzbekistan.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 May 2013 06: 04 New
          +6
          Quote: Canep
          . The number of military equipment of the Armed Forces of Kazakhstan is many times greater than the Armed Forces of Uzbekistan

          Yes, this is infa from Wiki, how many planes are drawn there, and how many of them really fly? More than 20 years have passed since the collapse of the USSR, and during all this time no new planes were purchased and I have not heard any modernization, at least some of the numbers indicated in the article. Moldova also has MIGs, but not one of them flies.
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 23 May 2013 10: 55 New
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Moldova also has MIGs, but not one of them flies.


            Sanya, they just don’t realize that they can really fly ... MIG doesn’t press grapes, doesn’t carry a brick, doesn’t paste wallpaper - and then you need it on a fig?
            1. Alexander Petrovich
              Alexander Petrovich 23 May 2013 17: 26 New
              +2
              Well, of course, it follows from your logic that - I am a Moldovan, a complete one who does not even know what planes are in the world and I know only one thing - construction. Maybe your heresy is enough to grind? It’s like you and people quarrel.
      2. krasin
        krasin 23 May 2013 06: 05 New
        +2
        The level of education, in the USSR they had everything for sheep, sessions, diplomas.
        considered the highest in Central Asia. The country's armed forces in this respect are superior to the armed forces of Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.
        It is considered the highest, this does not mean that it is in reality, they consider it by the number of diplomas.
        1. Akim
          Akim 23 May 2013 10: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: krasin
          they consider it by the number of diplomas.

          Turkmens studied with me at the institute (they paid with gas for them). Exactly sheep, they studied for the sake of diplomas. And the Uzbeks are not bad at all and are getting smarter in their studies.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 23 May 2013 13: 57 New
            +1
            "Neither number nor skill. The Uzbek army is not a modern military force" - And the Russian? Horseradish with them with the Uzbeks, we will live without the Uzbek army. Me6nya, our army is worried, everything is fine with us, there’s nothing to write about?
    2. open
      open 23 May 2013 05: 52 New
      +2
      The salary of the sergeants of the counters is about $ 450; officers are not less than $ 550
    3. fenix57
      fenix57 23 May 2013 05: 56 New
      +2
      Hello! If, as the author claims, the level of military training in the Uzbek Armed Forces is higher than that of its neighbors (Kazakhstan!, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan), then oh, how weak the Russian "underbelly" is. Although of course I am not an expert ..

      "... one Uzbek military observer is available at the OSCE mission in Kosovo .."- and so he is there, he has the right to say, or so, they bought a place for "putting on" .. request
      1. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT 23 May 2013 16: 34 New
        -1
        Swimmer is cooking
    4. open
      open 23 May 2013 06: 01 New
      +3
      However, Uzbekistan borders on very troubled neighbors. If we assume that the attack will take place from the side of the Afghan Taliban, then most likely the warlike mujahideen will disperse the Uzbek army in a week, or even earlier. In the event of a conflict with neighbors in the former Union for land and water, there will most likely be a classic version of the war of attrition.

      Provocative Article
      1. Akim
        Akim 23 May 2013 10: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: abror
        Provocative Article

        I support your opinion.
    5. annenkov242
      annenkov242 23 May 2013 06: 06 New
      +3
      An article about what ?!
      They need an army to disperse the ethno - opposition. And the external enemy is not terrible, the bays have a pretty good head for the “elite” - Russia will not give offense to its underbelly.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 May 2013 06: 35 New
        +4
        Quote: annenkov242
        They need an army to disperse the ethno - opposition.

        As practice has shown in the open spaces of the former USSR, the army does not play a role when the next "president" is overthrown.
    6. Denis
      Denis 23 May 2013 06: 26 New
      +3
      At the same time, the level of education and combat training of military personnel in Uzbekistan is considered the highest in Central Asia. The country's armed forces in this respect are superior to the armed forces of Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.
      It would be with whom to compare. Then we can say that smarter and more disciplined than the penguins of Antarctica
      Do they have at least one military school, or as equipment, is everything on old stocks?
      And it generally costs to read on April 1:
      adheres to nuclear-free principles: do not deploy, manufacture or acquire nuclear weapons
      it’s understandable to post about, but how to acquire it?
      If only all gastrikas are taxed, then maybe enough for the bomb body
      It would be better to keep silent about production, the production base and intellectual potential are simply powerful
      The aircraft factory inherited from the USSR and it collapsed
    7. Fox
      Fox 23 May 2013 06: 45 New
      0
      the army of uzbekiston .... sounds like "the army of estonia! is also formidable. and so, the uzbeks, the" warriors "are still those.
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      2. strannik595
        strannik595 23 May 2013 13: 41 New
        +4
        Uzbeks are normal warriors, they know how to fight, in vain you are so dismissive
    8. pinecone
      pinecone 23 May 2013 06: 46 New
      +1
      Enough for use as internal troops.
    9. Vorchun
      Vorchun 23 May 2013 06: 50 New
      +2
      Surely, about the 264 An-12, it’s a mistake, there aren’t enough money to keep so many planes (forty years old), and why do they need so much.
      1. Ustin
        Ustin 23 May 2013 13: 38 New
        0
        The same opinion. A clear mistake, but 40 years for this device is not a deadline.
    10. igor-75
      igor-75 23 May 2013 08: 04 New
      +8
      I live in Uzbekistan. The Uzbek army really does not look very bad for the region. And most importantly, by the way, it is indicated in the article that there really is a competition, because $ 450-550 is not bad money for local realities and the army paves the way for further employment in law enforcement agencies, where young people are very keen on, especially from the hinterland.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 23 May 2013 09: 05 New
        0
        It’s definitely nowhere to work. That’s the village’s rod to the police. People are robbed and taxed.
    11. taseka
      taseka 23 May 2013 08: 04 New
      0
      And who doubted that?
    12. Nomad
      Nomad 23 May 2013 08: 19 New
      +6
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Yes, this is infa from Wiki, how many planes are drawn there, and how many of them really fly?

      Kazakhstan military pilots have an average flying time of 100 hours. For comparison, in NATO 160-170, in China 60-70. The Kazakh Air Force is considered second in the CIS after the Russian. All you need is flying.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 May 2013 09: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Nomad
        . The Kazakh Air Force is considered second in the CIS after the Russian. All you need is flying.

        did you read the article? What does Kazakhstani pilots have to do with it? What country is this article about? Read-Damay-Reason fool
    13. ed65b
      ed65b 23 May 2013 09: 09 New
      +2
      Of course, with the Taliban, the author went too far. I don’t think that the Uzbeks will directly run away as soon as they see the Afghan turbans. the border is covered tightly. Through the river and Termez will not crawl through. From the Ferghana side it’s possible to enter. from Tajikistan it will be difficult to mine all the mountains of the river. Yes, and handicap will be for a reverse kiss odkb in the ass. when will start. the Taliban first need to deal with the Tajiks and Kyrgyz.
      1. Denis
        Denis 23 May 2013 15: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: ed65b
        from Tajikistan it will be difficult to mine all the mountains of the river
        Is that the difficulty?
        There, the 201st division is generally stationed to create difficulties
    14. kind
      kind 23 May 2013 09: 39 New
      +2
      Uzbekistan has the following military colleges:

      Academy of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Uzbekistan;
      Tashkent Higher Combined Arms Command School (TVOKU);
      Tashkent Higher Military Technical School of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Uzbekistan;
      Special Faculty of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Uzbekistan;
      Higher Military Customs Institute;
      Samarkand Higher Military Automotive Command School;
      Jizzakh Higher Military Aviation School;
      Chirchik Higher Military Tank Command Engineering School.

      Well done, and former Soviet schools saved and opened new ones !!!
    15. igor-75
      igor-75 23 May 2013 09: 51 New
      +2
      I don’t understand why the military capabilities of any Taliban and the like have been extolled recently. From my point of view, a regular, trained army not limited to all sorts of “human rights defenders” is obliged to cope with them without any problems. An example is Syria, or if earlier - Ukraine - Bendera and in the same Central Asia - Basmachi.
    16. MAG
      MAG 23 May 2013 10: 37 New
      +3
      I’ve talked with a Tajik for a long time (he studied in Armavir as a fighter), according to him, the Uzbek army is second only to Kazakhstan and can pile on all the neighbors so that in their garden they are hoo))
    17. Kazbek
      Kazbek 23 May 2013 10: 38 New
      +8
      The city is bullshit, the Uzbeks will disperse the Taliban like a herd of sheep. They’re partisans in their country and the gut of the small intestine will go to another country. Karimov will not play democracy with them. The Uzbek army is the best in the region. I doubt it, ours will probably be better.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 23 May 2013 11: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: Kazbek
        Uzbeks of the Taliban will be dispersed like a herd of sheep.

        And the navel will not untie? The Taliban is not the opposition, but a well-trained, trained and experienced military force. The Western coalition and the States have been chasing them for ten years now and cannot catch up with them. But when they catch up, they often also rake the lyuley according to the full scheme.
        1. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 23 May 2013 16: 39 New
          +1
          the Taliban are masters of guerrilla warfare, a war in which the local population supports them. I’m not sure that in case of Taliban invasion, the Uzbeks will like their (Taliban) order.
      2. igor36
        igor36 23 May 2013 11: 11 New
        +2
        Western military experts believe that the Taliban have combat-ready regular soldiers of about 25 thousand, but they can call up to 40 thousand experienced fighters. Such massive army conscripts preceded all of the main Taliban military operations.

        In addition, from 8 to 12 thousand Islamic extremists who came to conduct jihad are in Afghanistan. They are better organized than the Taliban militia and are often better armed.
        Add here the conditions of the highlands, the support of the Saudis and Qatar, and the internal Islamists will raise their heads.
        A very sad picture is obtained.
    18. Sour
      Sour 23 May 2013 13: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: IRBIS
      The Taliban is not the opposition, but a well-trained, trained and experienced military force. The Western coalition and the States have been chasing them for ten years now and cannot catch up with them. But when they catch up, they often also rake the lyuley according to the full scheme.

      The Taliban have proven their capabilities in a guerrilla-special forces war on their territory, with the support of the local population. But speak of them as a formidable fighting force in any conditions no reason. In particular, it is far from the fact that they are suitable for external aggression. It needs a different tactic, a different strategy, other types of military equipment, a different supply, a different intelligence organization, a different leadership style, plus the air force. Good partisan units do not necessarily make a good army.
      (Likewise, a good regular army is not always capable of effective guerrilla action. The Germans were strong on the battlefield, but nothing came of it with the “shipyard”, although they prepared it carefully.)
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 23 May 2013 14: 29 New
        +1
        But that the experience of Syria does not show that the units of radical Islamist guerrillas are capable of waging a protracted war with the appropriate support of interested powers and civil instability within Syria itself? There are also three points to stress: the "precariousness" of the regimes of the Central Asian republics (coupled with a poor economy .position), the idea of ​​world hegemony of the Islamic Caliphate, the goals and objectives of the United States and its allies.
      2. igor36
        igor36 24 May 2013 10: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Sour
        The Taliban have proven their capabilities in a guerrilla-special forces war on their territory, with the support of the local population. But there is no reason to talk about them as a formidable fighting force in any conditions. In particular, it is far from the fact that they are suitable for external aggression. It needs a different tactic, a different strategy, other types of military equipment, a different supply, a different intelligence organization, a different leadership style, plus the air force. Good partisan units do not necessarily make a good army.

        There will not be a war of regular armies. 1,5-2 thousand professional mercenaries in groups of 20 to 100 people will blow up the region. Dissatisfied with the authorities in Uzbekistan is complete plus ethnic contradictions and huge unemployment. But when the Uzbek version of the opposition government appears, then the democrats will intervene and get a hot spot on the map for the next 20-30 years.
    19. Semurg
      Semurg 23 May 2013 14: 21 New
      +5
      The Uzbek army may be technically poorly equipped because there is not much money, but in case of aggression, the Taliban will fight well, everyone understands that living in Afghanistan will be even worse. At the expense of the war with someone from the former USSR, not with this president, but with everything can be to the receiver, depending on who comes to replace. And so if a competent person comes, Uzbekistan will have good chances for growth in the economy, well, if in the economy there will be a growth, the social tension that exists now, and which can cause internal war on which geese will quickly fly off from everywhere. If there is growth, maybe Gaster will travel less to Russia and there the social tension will decrease, that’s the connection between Wed. Aeii and Russia.
    20. Sour
      Sour 23 May 2013 14: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      inside Syria itself?

      That's exactly what inside Syria itself. This is a key point.
      To wage a civil war with partisan methods is one thing. But to go to war on a foreign state and conquer it with partisan methods is another. The partisan is strong while he is on his land. And for a war on a foreign land, a completely different military organization is needed. Good saboteurs and snipers are less needed there, but good artillerymen, tankers and pilots are more needed. And there we need an army that does not depend on the support of the local population.
      Add more. Among the Syrian fighters, the majority are still locals. Without this, the backbone of foreign mercenaries would have been gunned down there long ago.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 23 May 2013 15: 06 New
        +1
        How do you like the Ferghana Valley? There are national enclaves and the struggle for resources and interests of the counter-elites in each republic? And in Uzbekistan the most dangerous situation. The transfer of power in this republic is fraught with dangerous shocks and can ignite this whole large region.
        1. Sour
          Sour 23 May 2013 15: 36 New
          +1
          This is completely different. I spoke about the combat capabilities of the Taliban, and you about the internal political situation in Uzbekistan. As my company officer said: "Do not confuse eggs with lungs, these are different parts of the body." I fully admit that the current Uzbek government does not have a strong position within the country (although I admit the opposite). But I do not discuss this topic. I am not special in Central Asia; I expressed only my point of view on the possibilities of the Taliban in foreign territory (where few speak and even understand few Pashtun and Dari). There, they are likely to be perceived as strangers, with all the consequences.
    21. ed65b
      ed65b 23 May 2013 15: 06 New
      +1
      What the fuck is the Taliban, from the Termez side the Afghan is flat as a table. There you will see this Taliban for 100 km. Ethnic Uzbeks living there are very loyal to Karimov. What are you about. If the Taliban trample, although it is unlikely that they will have to deal with them for decades. But local gangsters, all sorts of uztakhrirs, having studied, will go to the people. only through Tajiks and Kyrgyz. And the Uzbeks have only one weak spot: the Ferghana Valley and the Panjeken direction. The mountains.
    22. knn54
      knn54 23 May 2013 15: 13 New
      0
      - Armed with the ground forces ...
      The technology inherited from TurkVO for about 30 years. Modernization, overhauls - this is not a panacea.
      -The command structure, according to Uzbek sources, is more than 90 percent ethnic Uzbeks.
      Among ethnic Uzbeks - primordial farmers, artisans, and merchants, militancy never took priority, and getting rid of the Russian military miners in strengthening combat readiness.
      -abror: article of a provocative nature
      I don’t think so. In the ranks of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) more than 3 thousand Wahhabi militants. They are armed mainly with small arms, anti-tank grenade launchers, MANPADS and are equipped with modern means of communication. They have solid combat experience and are fanatically ready to fight with the authorities
      Of Uzbekistan. If they (+ the Taliban) break into the Ferghana Valley and arrange a jihad, even one strengthened Russian division is not enough.
      PS And an important fact, there is no intelligence agency in the army. All functions were taken by the SNB.
      In the radio intelligence brigade "OSNAZ" (in the USSR Armed Forces in each district there was such a brigade), the posts of radio interception of radio networks in Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, and India were eliminated. Radio equipment was either sold or stolen. There is no aerial reconnaissance. The army was left without “eyes and ears”!
    23. Sour
      Sour 23 May 2013 15: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      Ethnic Uzbeks - primordial farmers, artisans, merchants, militancy never took priority,

      The Uzbeks of the Syr Darya basin are primordial nomads. But that's not the point. They always knew how to fight (when they wanted). If anything, then the Germans are also "primordial farmers, artisans and traders." smile
      1. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT 23 May 2013 16: 44 New
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        Yes, and we are plowmen, and the shepherds broke the fascists good
    24. ed65b
      ed65b 23 May 2013 16: 40 New
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      Do not scare the Russians with the Taliban. At one time, the Taliban received from the USSR for the most I do not want. And 201 will crush them like bed bugs. That's just in vain the Tajiks gave the border. Those blows will not stand to run.
      1. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 23 May 2013 17: 16 New
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        Quote: ed65b
        At the time, Taliban received from the USSR I don’t want to.

        I wildly call, but the Taliban is an Islamist movement that originated in Afghanistan among the Pashtuns in the 1994 year .. (info from Wiki) .. Yesi is not mistaken, in the 1994 year the USSR was no longer request
        1. Sour
          Sour 23 May 2013 17: 29 New
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          All the creators and most ordinary members of the Taliban left the ranks of the "Mujahideen" and fought against the USSR.
          The difference between the Taliban and the Afghan militants of the 80's is about the same as that between the Soviet Army and the Red Army.
          1. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 23 May 2013 21: 15 New
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            Quote: Sour
            All the creators and most ordinary members of the Taliban left the ranks of the "Mujahideen" and fought against the USSR.

            ed65b (1) Today, 18: 42 ↑
            You are answered below.

            Well, a little inaccurate, it seems to me ..
            After the departure of Soviet troops and the fall of Najibullah, peaceful life was in no hurry to return to the Afghan villages .. The Mujahideen, after their victory, clung to each other and the "war of all against all" began ..
            And, in fact, the Taliban appeared as a movement anti-Mujahideen orientation ... This, by the way, largely determined their stunning success. Since, in the public opinion of Afghanistan, the view was firmly established that the corrupt and power-hungry Mujahideen "raped" Afghanistan and betrayed the ideas of the Koran. Initially, the small movement of the "disciples of Allah" found a response among the masses. http://antiterror.ntvru.com/article/19.html. http://www.zharov.com/afgan/taliban.html
            Sour: The difference between the Taliban and the Afghan militants of the 80's is about the same as that between the Soviet Army and the Red Army.
            Rather, the difference is about the same as between the Soviet Army and the Russian Army ..
        2. ed65b
          ed65b 23 May 2013 18: 42 New
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          You are answered below.
    25. cobalt
      cobalt 23 May 2013 17: 41 New
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      Persistent Uzbek warriors.
      1. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 23 May 2013 20: 52 New
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        Quote: cobalt
        Persistent Uzbek warriors.

        Hula, you can’t post the video about the “persistent” Russian soldiers ?!
    26. T-baev
      T-baev 23 May 2013 20: 15 New
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      And this author wants to pass off as an analysis of the armed forces. What is better for the Taliban to organize their gangs? Before making such a conclusion, the author had to analyze the armed forces of a likely enemy of Uzbekistan, and the Taliban, with their disparate gangs, the ability to fight in the mountains and did not stand near the army of Uzbekistan. Yes, and the reward for officers in Uzbekistan is quite worthy. Avior is either incompetent or deliberately distorts the situation. I am inclined to the second