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Turkish expert: "Russian S-400 air defense systems are beyond competition"

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In an interview with Golos Rossii, former military pilot Mesut Hakky Chashin expressed his opinion on the models of the Russian defense industry and the prospects for Russian-Turkish military technical cooperation.


Turkey is ready to expand cooperation with Russia in the military-technical sphere. This was stated by the Minister of National Defense of the Republic Ismet Yilmaz in Istanbul, where the international exhibition of the defense industry "DEF-2013" is held. More than 50 states take part in the exhibition. Rosoboronexport and Rostec State Corporation are participating from the Russian side.

On the sidelines of the exhibition is a discussion of the creation of a joint Russian-Turkish anti-aircraft missile system. One of the visitors of IDEF-2013, a former military pilot and now a professor in the department of international relations of the Air Force Academy and Yedipee University (Turkey), Doctor of Political Sciences Mesut, shared his opinion on this issue and on the exhibition itself with the Voice of Russia. Hakky Chashin:

-What caught your attention at the exhibition "IDEF-2013"?

- In 2013, there are a lot of participants and visitors, much more than in previous events. Both NATO countries and countries such as Russia and China take part in the exhibition. There is a lot of competition between countries. Each company presents its latest technology, its latest weapon. Of particular interest are developments in the field of aviationspace exploration and shipbuilding. The atmosphere of a truly international competitive market reigns at the exhibition.

- Expert: "Russian air defense systems in Turkey will strengthen the security of the region"

- In the press in recent days, they are actively discussing the prospects for Russian-Turkish military-technical cooperation. Particularly noteworthy are the discussions on the creation of a joint anti-aircraft missile system in the framework of the T-LORAMIDS program. How realistic are these ideas?

- Russia in the framework of the tender for the purchase of air defense systems, conducted by Turkey, offers high-tech installations that have been carefully selected. These are the C-300 anti-aircraft missile systems. Russian-Turkish cooperation in joint development of air defense systems is a fairly promising direction, since Russia is a country that is capable of establishing partnerships with various countries, alliances, including NATO.

Russian anti-aircraft missile systems are already being used by Greece. This suggests that Russian air defense systems can be integrated with NATO weapons. From the point of view of Turkish interests, I see one of the advantages of the expansion of Turkish-Russian cooperation in the perspective of the joint assembly of anti-aircraft missile systems.

An important feature of Russian air defense systems is that, on the one hand, they can be integrated with short-range missile launchers. On the other hand, with the C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems installed in Moscow and Kaliningrad. During my recent stay in Moscow, I was shown these systems and told about the mechanism of their work and their advantages. All these advantages along with the mobility of Russian developments make them practically out of competition. However, the final decision for our prime minister. I think that after his visit to the US, which will take place on 16 in May, the situation will become clearer.

In addition to cooperation in creating joint air defense systems, Moscow and Ankara can also cooperate in the development of technologies and the training of military personnel of the Air Force and Navy. Russia has demonstrated its leading position in shipbuilding. I was very interested in the Bora missile hovercraft. At the exhibition I met many of my colleagues, acquaintances and friends. All of them, as well as the Turkish public opinion, are deeply interested in cooperation with Russia, in the acquisition of Russian weapons and in joint developments in the field of military-technical cooperation.

Russian-Turkish cooperation can actively develop in the space sphere. For example, Ankara is interested in partnership with Moscow in the creation of a satellite navigation system and satellite intelligence. Also, in my opinion, the atmosphere of cooperation that prevails between the Black Sea fleets our countries in the framework of "BLEXIFOR" should be in the Mediterranean Sea.

- What is the starting point for achieving these goals?

- Russia is one of the leaders in the field of space development. Another direction is the electronic card system. It is known that Russian electronic systems are capable of neutralizing the most advanced drones. It would be useful to equip such aircraft Turkish reconnaissance aircraft. In addition, Turkey is interested in acquiring the Yak-130 aircraft, which can fly in virtually all modes. I would like these aircraft to be assembled jointly.

Turkey is also interested in Russian search and rescue helicopters, as well as in ambulance and fire fighting helicopters. They have proven themselves in Turkish airspace. For example, "Mi-8" are actively used by our gendarmerie.

I would like our countries, taking full advantage of the provisions of the intergovernmental agreement on cooperation in the military field and the training of military personnel from 2002, to strengthen bilateral cooperation in the field of military education. Let Russian officers come to study at Turkish military colleges, and Turkish officers go to Russia.

I raised this topic during my meeting with the Russian military attache and at a reception at the Consulate General of the Russian Federation in Istanbul. Such an exchange of students will allow our officers to receive education in Moscow universities, which are considered among the most elite in the world. We are no longer enemies. Strengthening military cooperation with Russia - with a country that makes a significant contribution to preserving peace and stability throughout the world, in the interests and for the benefit of Turkey.
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  1. bars280
    bars280 10 May 2013 06: 07 New
    50
    What kind of cooperation in the defense industry with our geopolitical competitor (enemy) ???????
    1. waisson
      waisson 10 May 2013 06: 35 New
      19
      cooperation conceive the transfer of new technologies and this means a decrease in the country's defense capabilities
      1. alex-defensor
        alex-defensor 10 May 2013 09: 46 New
        14
        I don’t understand, why do we need this? I understand the need for cooperation between Russia and India on the PAK FA, but I do not understand the need for cooperation with Turkey in the field of air defense and missile defense. Turkey is still our potential adversary, not to mention the historical premises in which the competition of our countries in the region is clearly visible. Strongly AGAINST such cooperation.
    2. gregor6549
      gregor6549 10 May 2013 06: 47 New
      +7
      How what? Direct. Staring into each other's eyes through optical sights. The main thing here is not to miss the moment and press the trigger first so that this “fruitful cooperation” does not end since the collaboration with Nazi Germany ended in June 41.
      1. Canep
        Canep 10 May 2013 08: 01 New
        -5
        After Hitler came to power, the military cooperation of the USSR and Germany was quickly curtailed, Stalin read Mein Kampf.
        1. lx
          lx 10 May 2013 11: 09 New
          +7
          And Minesweeper did not read the story :)))
          By the way, judging by the actions of Stalin, he still did not read Mein Kampf, otherwise he would have no illusions that Hitler might not attack.
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 10 May 2013 14: 02 New
            +4
            Stalin never had any illusions in Hitler's relationship. Otherwise, why was industrialization and rearmament? He just didn’t expect Germany to SO just not fulfill the terms of the Non-Aggression Treaty.
            1. lx
              lx 10 May 2013 15: 11 New
              0
              Are you serious? That is, if there weren’t Hitler, in the USSR they wouldn’t carry out industrialization? Thanks to grandfather Adolf?) However, there really is something to be thanked for (to the question of the Minesweeper replica) - Hitler came to power in 33, and hectic trade and other cooperation continued almost until June 41st (the last trade agreement was concluded in January The 41st - 2nd World War has been going on for almost a year) - we give them raw materials, they give us equipment and other equipment (it reminds me of something :)
        2. Reasonable, 2,3
          Reasonable, 2,3 10 May 2013 15: 07 New
          0
          Hitler came in 1933. Learn the story.
    3. Siberian
      Siberian 10 May 2013 08: 00 New
      -4
      Quote: bars280
      What kind of cooperation in the defense industry with our geopolitical competitor (enemy) ???????


      geopolitics does not tolerate cliches. To make a promising ally a historical enemy is a great geopolitical fortune.
      1. tttttt
        tttttt 10 May 2013 09: 30 New
        14
        geopolitics does not tolerate cliches. Making a promising ally a historical enemy is a big geopolitical fortune

        These "historical enemies" try to become allies when they need something and are afraid of something. They need to get our advanced air defense systems, study, and then they will bark and do meanness further. The Judean West constantly catches Russians on their best qualities: sincerity and trust. You cannot believe the civilization of liars. They have been teaching us for centuries, and we are all being conducted. Fuck them on the collar - and not modern technology. Everything modern should be at home on the database and among fraternal peoples.
        1. Shaitan
          Shaitan 12 May 2013 01: 24 New
          0
          I think that at the time of transfer of S-300 production technologies to the Turks, this technology will be outdated,
      2. avt
        avt 10 May 2013 10: 09 New
        +5
        Quote: SIBERIAN
        eopolitics does not tolerate cliches. To make a promising ally a historical enemy is a great geopolitical fortune.

        request Ek enough! Yes, they will never be allies. At best, they will remain neutral. They are completely self-sufficient, but given the growing geopolitical ambitions and attempts to reach the level of a local leader with the idea of ​​pan-Turkism and the revival of the empire, and with the strengthening of Islamization, your proposal about the prospect of an alliance is delusional, and the position of neutrality is very shaky for us. Perhaps only economic gain holds them back from an open confrontation with Russia.
      3. Kolya
        Kolya 10 May 2013 10: 35 New
        +7
        Amazing naivety! Lokhovskaya geopolitics. Russia has not fought with anyone more than with Turkey. History repeats itself! Learn history, then come up with geopolitical ideas. Turkey can sell milk, potatoes, meat, etc. but not weapons!
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 10 May 2013 11: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: Kohl
          Turkey can sell milk, potatoes, meat, etc. but not weapons!

          Not for nothing that Erdogan is called a fox !!
          After our missiles hit the Americans, to develop a counteraction.
        2. sedoj
          sedoj 10 May 2013 16: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Kohl
          Turkey can sell milk, potatoes, meat

          Yeah - pork in the guise of horse meat. Gee ...
        3. Siberian
          Siberian 10 May 2013 20: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Kohl
          Amazing naivety! Lokhovskaya geopolitics. Russia has not fought with anyone more than with Turkey. History repeats itself! Learn history, then come up with geopolitical ideas. Turkey can sell milk, potatoes, meat, etc. but not weapons!


          Russia fought with Turkey many times - no doubt, but the bloodiest and most violent wars with heavy casualties (turning into the genocide of the Russian people) were always with the West. You’re right, the story is repeated, now Russia resembles the Byzantine Empire again revived after the crusaders hit in the back in 1204, when the Glory of Byzantium had not yet faded, but signs of new terrible upheavals were already visible on the horizon. The West will always be the enemy of Russia and Orthodoxy, just as the greedy Venice was the enemy of Orthodox Byzantium. The West was, is and will be an existential opponent of Russia. Admittedly, Russia vs West + Turkey is more dangerous for us than Russia + Turkey vs West.
          The toolkit for influencing Turkey is diverse. You can use the ambitions of Turkey, help it get out of the United States, you can use the economy, attract Turkey economically as much as possible, even the possibility of a military conflict brought down the Turkish economy.
          In general, there are many methods of using Turkey for their own purposes, you need to act. Excessive bone in most cases leads to premature death, it is necessary to act, the only way to win the future battle with the West.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 10 May 2013 20: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: SIBERIAN
            Quote: Kohl
            Amazing naivety! Lokhovskaya geopolitics. Russia has not fought with anyone more than with Turkey. History repeats itself! Learn history, then come up with geopolitical ideas. Turkey can sell milk, potatoes, meat, etc. but not weapons!


            Russia fought with Turkey many times - no doubt, but the bloodiest and most violent wars with heavy casualties (turning into the genocide of the Russian people) were always with the West. You’re right, the story is repeated, now Russia resembles the Byzantine Empire again revived after the crusaders hit in the back in 1204, when the Glory of Byzantium had not yet faded, but signs of new terrible upheavals were already visible on the horizon. The West will always be the enemy of Russia and Orthodoxy, just as the greedy Venice was the enemy of Orthodox Byzantium. The West was, is and will be an existential opponent of Russia. Admittedly, Russia vs West + Turkey is more dangerous for us than Russia + Turkey vs West.
            The toolkit for influencing Turkey is diverse. You can use the ambitions of Turkey, help it get out of the United States, you can use the economy, attract Turkey economically as much as possible, even the possibility of a military conflict brought down the Turkish economy.
            In general, there are many methods of using Turkey for their own purposes, you need to act. Excessive bone in most cases leads to premature death, it is necessary to act, the only way to win the future battle with the West.

            FINALLY A WEIGHED ANALYSIS AND MORE STRATEGIC THINKING ABOUT THE USE OF GOS-VU.
            excellent fattening plus good
          2. ultra
            ultra 10 May 2013 21: 12 New
            0
            Quote: SIBERIAN
            You can use the ambitions of Turkey,

            She uses them without us, rather against us (Syria).
            Quote: SIBERIAN
            help her out of the US

            Blessed is the believer! But the Turks want this! And the USA will allow it!
            Quote: SIBERIAN
            to attract Turkey economically as much as possible

            What we can give Turkey we ourselves are able to produce, and what we are interested in Turkey does not.
            Quote: SIBERIAN
            this is the only way to win the future battle with the West.

            The presence of strategic nuclear forces in Russia guarantees (at this stage) the security of Russia! hi
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 10 May 2013 21: 22 New
              +1
              We can also buy more gas and oil in other countries!
              There should be mutually beneficial trade, and not, we will not buy anything from you!
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz 11 May 2013 00: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: ultra
              The presence of strategic nuclear forces in Russia guarantees (at this stage) the security of Russia!

              But it’s not about the security of Russia. RUSSIA has nuclear weapons !!!!
              The fact is that Russia wants to be a world power and it will have to get allies of supporters as you like. If these ambitions are not there and you have enough rich Tajikistan, Kyrgyz and Armenia, which Russia subsidizes, then please. Only Kazakhs do not subsidize.
      4. Metlik
        Metlik 10 May 2013 10: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: SIBERIAN
        geopolitics does not tolerate cliches. To make a promising ally a historical enemy is a great geopolitical fortune.


        Turkey occupied Orthodox Cyprus, organized ethnic cleansing there, Turkey is a NATO member. On *** are we such an ally?
        1. sokoloff4791
          sokoloff4791 10 May 2013 11: 01 New
          +1
          as an ALLY-UNNECESSARY! AND AS A CLIENT VERY EVEN))))))))))
    4. vadimus
      vadimus 10 May 2013 08: 36 New
      +1
      The Turks are not the ones to harness for ... Ten times to think first .... Not those ambitions ..
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 10 May 2013 10: 29 New
        +1
        Turkey is our enemy, the enemy of Syria and Iran of our allies, but in general the enemy of the entire civilized world, on a par with Israel, the United States and others, what kind of military-technical cooperation can we talk about? Apparently loot steers as always!
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 10 May 2013 10: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          yes the enemy of the whole civilized world

          Let’s not speak for the whole world. He is certainly not the enemy of Azerbaijan and many countries in the world.
          1. Phantom Revolution
            Phantom Revolution 10 May 2013 13: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Yeraz
            Let’s not speak for the whole world. He is certainly not the enemy of Azerbaijan and many countries in the world.

            While not an enemy, but not a friend, if you turn to Asia, it will be bad for you.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 10 May 2013 13: 48 New
              0
              Quote: Phantom Revolution
              While not an enemy, but not a friend, if you turn to Asia, it will be bad for you.

              Uh, are you kidding me ??? Why is Turkey not a friend to Azerbaijan, and besides, if it turns to Asia it will be an enemy.
              Do you even know the history of relations between Turkey and Azerbaijan, our peoples ??
        2. ultra
          ultra 10 May 2013 16: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          Iran of our allies

          Since when has Iran been walking in our allies? request
      2. sokoloff4791
        sokoloff4791 10 May 2013 11: 03 New
        0
        And whoever harnesses it - ONLY SELL AND THEN THE MOST ADVANCED WOMAN)))
    5. Serdyukov
      Serdyukov 10 May 2013 11: 06 New
      -1
      This is a journalistic duck, friends. Trust me.
    6. nycsson
      nycsson 10 May 2013 12: 41 New
      0
      Quote: bars280
      What kind of cooperation in the defense industry with our geopolitical competitor (enemy) ???????

      Yeah! I also don’t understand how this can be ???
      Quote: waisson
      cooperation conceive the transfer of new technologies and this means a decrease in the country's defense capabilities

      That's it! Some insanity! request
    7. starshina78
      starshina78 10 May 2013 13: 01 New
      0
      You look at feeding, and there it will become a friend. The main thing is to start feeding slowly, little by little, and there you look friends do not spill water! And the policy will be revised in relation to the USA, the European Union, and NATO. After all, the EU has been rolling Turkey for more than a year.
    8. T-100
      T-100 10 May 2013 14: 53 New
      0
      bars280
      What kind of cooperation in the defense industry with our geopolitical competitor (enemy) ???????


      It’s NOT possible, to sell them “Shilka” or “Arrows”, but not more
  2. esaul
    esaul 10 May 2013 06: 09 New
    +3
    It seems that for the sake of Russian technology, Mr. Gadzhiev is ready to get into even without soap. Especially his words at the end - We are no longer enemies. How long have we become such close and loyal friends to the tombstone that Russia should easily share technologies that then, just like friendship and sneaky before the EU and the stripes, will be at the minke whales?
  3. Canep
    Canep 10 May 2013 06: 10 New
    +5
    On the sidelines of the exhibition, discussions are underway to create a joint Russian-Turkish anti-aircraft missile system.
    .
    Russian-Turkish cooperation in joint development of air defense systems - a fairly promising area

    Where Putin is looking, Russia and Turkey do not have a single treaty excluding war between the countries. These hucksters from defenseexport are ready to sell anything for grandmas and anyone.
    1. Artyom
      Artyom 11 May 2013 14: 58 New
      0
      when this peace treaty protected someone from war, remember the treaty with fascist Germany. "If you want peace, prepare for war!"
  4. lemal
    lemal 10 May 2013 06: 11 New
    -27
    Alah akbar !!!
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 10 May 2013 11: 43 New
      +6
      Truly akbar ...
  5. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 10 May 2013 06: 11 New
    +6
    Yes, we are not enemies, but not friends. Turkish ruler helps to plunder Syria. What to do in this situation? Erdogan lost the remnants of honor and conscience. Soon it will be with Netanyahu's kiss on the gums, friends b ... b.
  6. k220150
    k220150 10 May 2013 06: 20 New
    +2
    In the words of Uhudshansky: "Well, well."
  7. papas-57
    papas-57 10 May 2013 06: 21 New
    +4
    Yes, they went to ... NATO
  8. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 10 May 2013 06: 39 New
    +6
    when all these effective traders have left us and sober politicians have come who care for their country, and not at their own expense over the hill.
  9. Vladomir
    Vladomir 10 May 2013 06: 41 New
    +1
    All actions of Russia should proceed only from the supremacy of its interests in this region and its zones of influence. Only an offensive on all fronts, so many surrendered and sold
  10. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 May 2013 06: 51 New
    0
    No more "Shilka" Turkey, and even that will be too much.
  11. shinobi
    shinobi 10 May 2013 07: 16 New
    +2
    Oh, it’s not for good that the Ottoman sang the Russian Osana’s hosana. The warrior wants to deceive. So the C300 and 400 are unrivaled, and so everything is in the know. Ameri Patriots are only approaching the capabilities of three hundred.
    1. NO HOPE
      NO HOPE 10 May 2013 07: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: shinobi
      only approach the capabilities of three hundred

      The launcher itself is useless if not systems Air defense. What is an air defense system - I hope no need to explain.
  12. DPN
    DPN 10 May 2013 07: 24 New
    +4
    Sell ​​the latest weapons to your neighbor and member of NATO? yes it is a crime.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 10 May 2013 10: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: DPN
      Sell ​​the latest weapons to your neighbor,

      They sell to China, which directly borders, but Turkey does not border, but is close.
  13. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 10 May 2013 07: 31 New
    +4
    A strange article (no offense to the author because he voiced just some speech information flows). On the one hand, I want to send everything far enough using the idioms of the great Russian language based on a statement from an article such as: “Russia has demonstrated its leading position in shipbuilding” - it turns out “Bora” is a leading position in our shipbuilding ... I don’t comment on this efficient artifact from the USSR and you don’t have to sing that this is a Russian miracle weapon ... the question is about filling up, and what leads it to the identified goals and why it wasn’t used 080808 - there were no worthy goals ??? Now further in this vein - “Russia is one of the leaders in the field of space exploration” - Well, at least one example of a truly breakthrough development over the past 20 years from which the whole world gasped ??? Popovkin, tsuka, you are really driving ... then we are waiting for the next historical breakthrough bully Regarding the purchase of the S-300 and its integration with the S-400 - in kind, the information field (if it really exists) is what we only lack of Turks ... again I thought well - definitely not enough. wassat And what about CARD for fighting drones ... we can throw a couple of decks and we, for the company, will play strip poker at your leisure good
    I have a ratsukha to our foreign friends - buy ALL the new products of our military industrial complex and thereby you are guaranteed to ensure their shortage in the Russian army ... I ask you to send babosy for the idea directly to my soap, and I will patch the roads in them in our city, otherwise finally your ass comes and sales of the local exorbitant tax on my car does not help.
    I looked out the window and thought - why it’s evil, because Friday ... can we upset the parade in terms of modernity ... but what did I generally expect from him ... a big horseradish cannon shooting really big craps ??? But can the inefficiency of the Shell with Torah in Syria and the wrong Jew bullet from abroad on goals ...
    Russia is the daughter of difficult mistakes, why are you drowning in them so often ... well, since it went down on poetry, it's time to get drunk on women drinks
  14. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 10 May 2013 07: 34 New
    +1
    Turkey has very much raised its defense industry over the past 15 years. They are now interested in not so much the samples of military equipment themselves, how many technologies embodied in them, in order to copy and release similar ones at their enterprises. China has already completely "ate" our weapons and spoke out, including that Russia is no longer of interest to him in terms of military technology .... The line is for Turkey.
  15. ocopnik
    ocopnik 10 May 2013 08: 13 New
    +1
    Kakoe sotrudnichestvo? Potenzialniy sopernik.Covsem "zelenie fantiki" glaza zatmili, protrite ih, gospoda barishniki, i prodayte, nakonez, C-300 Iranu. Vot togda ya vas zauvazhayu.
  16. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 10 May 2013 09: 02 New
    +2
    S-400 deliver to NATO?
    Maybe we’ll put the Mace again?
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 10 May 2013 09: 10 New
      +1
      they have long had s-300s.
    2. Yarbay
      10 May 2013 10: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      S-400 deliver to NATO?
      Maybe we’ll put the Mace again?

      S-300 was delivered to Cyprus and now Greece has it !!
      For many years, Turkey was also offered!
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 10 May 2013 10: 31 New
        +5
        The translation is not entirely correct! Russia proposed С400 in the Euro missile defense project, regarding the YAK 130, he said “they could jointly produce”, 50-50

        http://turkish.ruvr.ru/2013_05_08/IDEF-2013-Fuari/
        1. Ivan Tarasov
          Ivan Tarasov 10 May 2013 11: 28 New
          0
          Quote: ayyildiz
          The translation is not entirely correct! Russia proposed C400 in the Euro missile defense project

          Is it against herself or something?
      2. avt
        avt 10 May 2013 10: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: Yarbay
        S-300 was delivered to Cyprus and now Greece has it !!

        As far as I remember, I bought Cyprus but due to threats from the Turks, they were stationed in Greece.
        1. Yarbay
          10 May 2013 11: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: avt
          As far as I remember, I bought Cyprus but due to threats from the Turks, they were stationed in Greece.

          who cares??
          Greece is a member of NATO !!
          What threat?))))))
          Without the permission of Russia, they could not have done it !!
  17. e-froloff
    e-froloff 10 May 2013 10: 01 New
    0
    I see no reason to do it!
  18. erased
    erased 10 May 2013 10: 05 New
    +3
    The centuries-old enemy cannot even become neutral. Turkey wants to get technologists? Have legal residency in a military environment? Recruit our cadets?
    If someone from the top of the country, on the way to work, bangs his head against the wall, he can accept such an offer.
    You need to live in peace with your neighbors. But you can’t trust them!
  19. andrejwz
    andrejwz 10 May 2013 10: 26 New
    0
    - Expert: "Russian air defense systems in Turkey will strengthen the security of the region"

    Well yes. "Patriots" directed towards Syria and Iran to strengthen the "security" of the region are no longer enough. I wonder where the borders of Turkey itself end on the map of this region.
  20. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 10 May 2013 10: 41 New
    +3
    Rosoboronexport booth
  21. General
    General 10 May 2013 10: 43 New
    +1
    The Turks will not buy the S-300 from them, and so, together with Israel, there are codes for it, if they take the S-400 and the Kremlin does not provide it
    1. Yarbay
      10 May 2013 11: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: General
      Turks will not buy S-300 from them and so together with Israel codes

      What codes?)))
      What are you about??))))))
      1. Net
        Net 10 May 2013 13: 25 New
        +1
        This he is apparently in the sense that Israel used to work out EW means to counter the S-300
    2. ultra
      ultra 10 May 2013 15: 14 New
      0
      Quote: General
      together with israel codes available on it

      General? Yes, you are not even a corporal! lol
  22. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 10 May 2013 11: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: Amur Gadzhiev
    I think that after his visit to the United States on May 16, the situation will become clearer.

    Of course, it will become clear, similarly to the Israeli one, when after the visit the Israelis refused to release their aircraft in favor of the F-16 Amer production. So here amers will force buy their equipment, no matter how good the Russian Triumphs and Armor
    1. Yarbay
      10 May 2013 11: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Hedgehog
      Of course, it will become clear, similarly to the Israeli one, when after the visit the Israelis refused to release their aircraft in favor of the F-16 Amer production. So here amers will force them to buy their equipment, no matter how good the Russian Triumphs and Armor


      I completely agree, the same thing happened with the s-300 !!
      When Turkey got into a mess and announced that it was going to buy this system, they were told that they would stop selling other weapons and components to those already bought !!
  23. Day 11
    Day 11 10 May 2013 11: 26 New
    0
    They will give the Bosphorus (at the same time Constantinople) --- think
  24. klev72
    klev72 10 May 2013 11: 35 New
    0
    Sell ​​MODERN weapons to neighboring countries is a big mistake. Therefore, I plus Putin for the decision not to sell the S-400 until we deploy it ourselves. Some neighbors do not need to give any weapons (China, Turkey, Tajikistan, Ukraine, Japan, North Korea, etc.). Belarus is still a sovereign state that is ready to unite with Russia, just a fraternal people! Only because of this, it makes sense to sell / transfer to it weapons that are abundant in our armed forces or whose presence is necessary for our general defense at this stage from a political point of view.
  25. nemec55
    nemec55 10 May 2013 11: 36 New
    +1
    If we are partners, then Hitler is just a sidekick and the Taliban bros. Bullshit .....
  26. grandfather
    grandfather 10 May 2013 11: 56 New
    +4
    with Erdogan’s office, you shouldn’t conduct any strategic affairs, more than Erdogan is a full-time prostitute.
  27. avt
    avt 10 May 2013 12: 01 New
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    Quote: Yarbay
    who cares??

    The difference in the radius of the affected area. And moreover, when installed in Cyprus - is very significant, both for Cyprus and for Greece.
    1. Yarbay
      10 May 2013 12: 08 New
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      Quote: avt
      Quote: Yarbay
      who cares??

      The difference in the radius of the affected area. And moreover, when installed in Cyprus - is very significant, both for Cyprus and for Greece.

      Dear, this is not about this, nor about the radius of action!
      And about pradazh to the NATO countries!
      1. avt
        avt 10 May 2013 13: 36 New
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        Quote: Yarbay
        Dear, this is not about this, nor about the radius of action!
        And about the sale to NATO countries!

        But only by a miracle then, during the invasion of Cyprus, they were led apart and the disputes over the islands, even the rocks, were not resolved but frozen. So, under certain circumstances, membership in NATO will not deter them from war. In addition, the amers in the 90s were taken out of the 300th set and manufacturing technology is a secret.
        1. Yarbay
          10 May 2013 14: 08 New
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          Quote: avt
          So NATO membership under certain circumstances will not deter them from war.

          Dear you do not understand what it is about!
          Read what it is about, the user was surprised that such a weapon is being sold to the NATO country !!
          What does the relationship between Turkey and Greece ??
          Read what quote I answered!
          1. avt
            avt 10 May 2013 16: 12 New
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            Quote: Yarbay
            Read what it is about, the user was surprised that such a weapon is being sold to the NATO country !!

            request Well, so I replied that from the NATO headquarters the complex had been handed over to study back in the days of Shushkevich, father-in-law what had already been feared. And the sale of the same Cyprus and Greece, respectively, and obviously with a political connotation in the light of the mutual NATO “love” of the Greeks and Turks, is not a surrender of any technology, but rather a bargain with a political background. And the export version is especially troublesome, usually castrated, no, well, there’s nothing out of the ordinary, but transferring manufacturing technology and setting up production as a result of selling a manufacturing license is a completely different matter, and Turkey, by analogy with the same Korean tank, needs just that. Agree, there is a difference. That's what I meant when I answered you.
  28. vostok1982
    vostok1982 10 May 2013 12: 17 New
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    Do not understand? The transfer of some knowledge is the country's binding to Russia. It is much more difficult to fight with the country where you studied, where you were fed, with a country whose language you know and whose culture you plunged into. While technology transfer may entail some financial loss in the present, it will be rewarded a hundredfold in the future. Imagine that the Chinese would fly now on the F-15, F-16, air defense, ships, missiles developed for them not our design bureaus, but American. And a science and engineering school would be American. Can you imagine? How much more likely would there be a military conflict in that case? Relations would not be better than with Japan.
    1. Selevc
      Selevc 10 May 2013 12: 26 New
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      Well, let's say Russia sells some types of modern weapons to Turkey ... And where is the guarantee that these weapons will not be in the hands of the Syrian rebels and the Assad Syrian army will be shot down with the same Russian-made air defense systems? What situation will Russia be in then? The West will then actively shout about the new Russian Argessia and the few remaining allied countries will be mildly confused !!!

      It is bad that for someone in the leadership of the Russian Federation a long dollar is clearly more important than geopolitics !!!!
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 10 May 2013 12: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Selevc
        . And where is the guarantee that this weapon will not be in the hands of the Syrian rebels and the Assad Syrian army planes will be knocked down by the same Russian-made air defense systems

        Because there are insurgents with anti-tank systems and portable air defense systems, such as the S-300 in FIG.
        Quote: Selevc
        What situation will Russia be in then? The West will then actively shout about the new Russian argessia

        In fact, the West and the entire Arab world are already shouting about Russia's aggression, saying Assad helps, so the supply of weapons to the rebels will be a plus, as it were)))

        Understand that Turkey was forced into NATO, they don’t like Europe, just like those because the Turks always gave them a neck. But inside the Turkish elite there are many Western supporters who were cultivated by the West, through the same military programs, through science and various sectors, whom Turkey sent there to study, where many specialists from the West inside Turkey raised such a generation.
        How to tie Turkey to yourself if you don’t help get rid of NATO’s legacy. Support the forces that are against the West, build strategic relations. This is called a political victory if weaken the influence of the West in Turkey. Europe is afraid of Turkey’s expansion, and Turkey wants to break into Europe, which in principle in some places is not bad at it.

        It’s another matter if we don’t need Turkey, even 1000 times friendly, then this is a different matter. But if someone wants to pull it, then something needs to be done for this, the West is acting. It’s not just sitting there.
        1. Selevc
          Selevc 10 May 2013 13: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Yeraz
          How to tie Turkey to yourself if you do not help get rid of the NATO heritage.

          The fact is that Turkey does not want to get rid of the NATO heritage at all ... In strategic matters, Turkey clearly behaves as an adversary of Russia ... It openly supports the enemies of Russia (Syrian rebels and Chechen fighters), provides its territory for NATO bases and for the construction of radars Euro-missile defense systems that will obviously be directed not towards Europe !!!
          Quote: Yeraz
          Another thing is if we don’t need Turkey, even 1000 times friendly, then this is a different matter.
          This ostentatious friendliness is just a mask - when it comes to serious issues, Turkey will show its true face.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 10 May 2013 13: 46 New
            +3
            Quote: Selevc
            The fact is that Turkey does not want to get rid of the NATO heritage at all ..

            You are mistaken Turkey really wants to.
            Quote: Selevc
            In strategic matters, Turkey clearly behaves as an adversary of Russia ... It openly supports the enemies of Russia (Syrian rebels and Chechen fighters),

            So, excuse me, generally, relations with the Syrians did not always develop; Assads always supported Kurdish terrorists in Turkey, so this is a feud from the time of Assad Sr., and not now.
            Yes, they supported Chechens, and then you forgot how, after Putin’s trip, some Chechens were killed in Turkey. Some were captured. And that was all over.
            Quote: Selevc
            provides its territory for NATO bases and for the construction of Euro-missile defense radars, which will obviously be directed not towards Europe !!!

            So they are in NATO this is normal, it would be strange that Russia put a radar in Kyrgyzstan and she would look in the direction of Kazakhstan.
            Quote: Selevc
            This ostentatious friendliness is just a mask - when it comes to serious issues, Turkey will show its true face.

            the concept of friendship is not something in politics, especially in non-related and close countries. There are state interests. It is clear that if this conflicts with the interests of Turkey or Russia, they will not do it.
            The question is to work in those areas where interests coincide.
            Why do you think the construction of nuclear power plants Turkey did not give up completely to Western countries, but attracted Russia, Japan. Friendship is friendship, but there are state interests.
            And there are questions where Turkey is forced to act in the interests of the West because the influence of the West is strong. It will already be beneficial for Russia to simply minimize this influence so that the West can not drag Turkey into its adventures every time.
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            2. Selevc
              Selevc 10 May 2013 14: 20 New
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              Quote: Yeraz
              You are mistaken Turkey really wants to.

              But how does he want if it will be very unprofitable for Turkey ... Why would she leave NATO? Turkey will not be able to create its own regional military bloc - as it is surrounded by adversary countries or neighbors unreliable in the strategic military plan ... If Turkey leaves NATO, then it will turn into a country like Iran against which there will be not only neighbors like Greece, Bulgaria or Armenia but also Western countries will also build their line aimed at weakening Turkey and not at strengthening it ... And so, under the cover of NATO, Turkey can actively influence the processes in neighboring countries and expect further dividends from wars in the Middle East ...
              Quote: Yeraz
              So, excuse me, generally, relations with the Syrians did not always develop; Assads always supported Kurdish terrorists in Turkey, so this is a feud from the time of Assad Sr., and not now.

              Now, if Russia and Turkey came forward with a unified position on the Syrian issue and by the way on the Kurdish, these would also be real steps to bring the two countries closer together on the international scene ... And so far we only see mostly chatter and when it comes to serious issues - each bends its line ...
              Why do you think the construction of nuclear power plants Turkey did not give up completely to Western countries, but attracted Russia, Japan. Friendship is friendship, but there are state interests.
              I have always been and will be for the comprehensive development of economic relations between Russia and Turkey ... But in military matters one still needs to be careful and if it is only mutually beneficial to cooperate and the main emphasis should be placed on countries that are taking real steps towards a geopolitical rapprochement with the Russian Federation and not visibility of these steps ...
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 10 May 2013 14: 44 New
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                Quote: Selevc
                Turkey will not be able to create its own regional military bloc - as it is surrounded by adversary countries or neighbors unreliable in the military-strategic plan ...

                Why should she create herself in a state of piglets to erase all her neighbors. The only one who can is nuclear Russia, but if Turkey and Russia cooperate, there are problems.
                Quote: Selevc
                And so, under the cover of NATO, Turkey can actively influence the processes in neighboring countries and expect in the future its dividends from the wars in the Middle East.

                So in the region there are no countries stronger than Turkey, so that Turkey does something and they don’t touch it because of NATO. Turkey does everything without hiding NATO, but the USA and the West hiding behind NATO are in Turkey. Think Turkey needed these Patriots, which were delivered in response to the MORTAR shelling, it was clear to everyone that Syria would never attack Turkey, Turkey would have defeated it alone, but the United States because of Iran using the pretext in the form of shelling and the NATO charter to help the participants was placed there.
                Quote: Selevc
                Now, if Russia and Turkey came up with a unified position on the Syrian issue and by the way on the Kurdish, these would also be real steps towards bringing the two countries closer together on the international scene

                This will not happen until the pro-Western forces inside Turkey. Moreover, nothing would have come of Russia’s statements on the Kurdish issue. The United States and the West will influence the situation.
                Quote: Selevc
                I have always been and will be for the comprehensive development of economic relations between Russia and Turkey ..

                I also)
                Quote: Selevc
                But in military matters, one still needs to be careful and if you cooperate, it is only mutually beneficial and the main emphasis should be placed on countries that are taking real steps towards a geopolitical rapprochement with Russia and not the visibility of these steps.

                So I’m not saying I’ll rush into each other’s arms. Russia should do this, but only as far as Turkey justifies the trust, what dividends it brings to both countries. Just some are categorically against not understanding, but recalling some wars of past centuries. In Greece NATO MEMBER COUNTRIES are S-300 and nothing. So why with the acquisition of Turkey of these systems will come Uncle Sam will disassemble everything and take to America for study.
                1. Selevc
                  Selevc 10 May 2013 15: 13 New
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                  Quote: Yeraz
                  . So why with the acquisition of Turkey of these systems comes Uncle Sam will take it all apart and take it to America for study.

                  I think that Uncle Sam has already sorted it all out for a long time and studied it - that's why it is afraid :))) But in general, the West is especially afraid of the strengthening of Russian influence in Turkey because of this, and the whole gimmick ...
            3. ultra
              ultra 10 May 2013 15: 21 New
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              Quote: Yeraz
              Why do you think the construction of nuclear power plants Turkey did not give completely to Western countries,

              There is a simple answer to this - in the West there are no such technologies that Russia possesses (the Chernobyl accident gave an impetus for improvement). hi
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 10 May 2013 15: 26 New
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                Quote: ultra

                There is a simple answer to this - in the West there are no such technologies that Russia possesses (the Chernobyl accident gave an impetus for improvement).

                Well this is a very controversial statement, American and European nuclear power plants are no worse than Russian ones.
                1. ultra
                  ultra 10 May 2013 16: 57 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  Well this is a very controversial statement, American and European nuclear power plants are no worse than Russian ones.

                  This is not a controversial statement but a fact! Ask the Czechs, for political reasons, refused to purchase our fuel cell assemblies, bought from Westinghouse, so they do not withstand the service life (bubbling). The safety of the latest generations is higher (Chernobyl legacy). hi
      2. vostok1982
        vostok1982 10 May 2013 12: 52 New
        0
        no one will transmit S-400 to them, but outdated, but still beautiful, such as Buk, S-300 - this is necessary and correct. The more industrial, engineering, scientific relations between states - the less likely they are to fight. For example, between the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan there is much less likelihood of conflict than between the Russian Federation and Uzbekistan. States whose armies depend on Russian weapons - Algeria, Venezuela, etc. and politically they will always be either on our side, or at least neutral. To drag Turkey into our orbit, or at least to secure its neutrality, is a huge victory in the Mediterranean.
        1. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 10 May 2013 13: 25 New
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          Quote: vostok1982
          . To drag Turkey into our orbit, or at least to secure its neutrality, is a huge victory in the Mediterranean.

          The idea is certainly progressive and robust, but unrealizable because of the mental and I would even say the innate hostility of the Turks to us, the Slavs, otherwise why, before deciding on military-technical cooperation, go to the Washington regional committee and consult there.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 10 May 2013 15: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: cherkas.oe
            The idea, of course, is progressive and sound, but unrealizable because of the mental and I would even say the innate hostility of the Turks to us, the Slavs,

            Believe me, it’s much higher among ordinary Russians, mostly among Europeans among Turks. In Russia, for some reason, they are sure that ordinary Turks madly hate them. Yes, for them Slavs are all kinds of Natasha or Roxans, well, vodka. But Europeans are there neglect and memory of how they bent them.
            Quote: cherkas.oe
            Before making decisions on military-technical cooperation, go to the Washington regional committee and consult there.

            So the point is that there is a strong influence within the state of pro-Western forces that often drag Turkey into adventures in which it does not want, but Russia’s task is also to weaken these forces once and try to introduce their own 2. But without taking the first step 2 certainly never succeed.
            1. ultra
              ultra 10 May 2013 17: 05 New
              +2
              Quote: Yeraz
              Believe in a simple Russian, it is many times higher

              A simple Russian hardly thinks about Turkey or the Turks until he goes on vacation, but after such a trip he has a lot of “good” and “good” thoughts about Turkey and its population! negative
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 10 May 2013 19: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: ultra
                A simple Russian hardly thinks about Turkey or the Turks until he goes on vacation, but after such a trip he has a lot of “good” and “good” thoughts about Turkey and its population!

                I was in Turkey and saw what the bulk of the Russians are doing there, For only HALF of what they do there in the Caucasus, they would cut everyone's throat.
                By the way, I was a witness when I was nearly cut, when the Russians from my calving for the night decided to NAKE to go along the beach and stumbled upon the Turks of young people 19-24, they insulted the Turks even more, no one understood each other when the Turks knives I pulled out with my brother and ran, good we know Turkish and calmed them down, and the Russians were taken to the hotel. Although there were normal Russian guys from St. Petersburg, riot police, who, as it turned out, had a lot of familiar Azeri cops and they knew all the obscene words, but they were the same in Turkic So when these guys started fighting with Kurds in a hotel full of Belarusians and Russian HEALTHY peasants from the whole hotel, none of them helped, their wives dragged them away and my brother and I attacked the Kurds so that they would go back and shout at them THERE IS IT YOU HOSPITALITY? To which they could not answer anything, and they could not do anything to us, because they would have received change, BUT before the end of the rest, they stared at us supposedly why we harnessed for the Russians.
                Moreover, not everyone here was in Turkey, and the reproaches were mainly not about the rest, and they say we fought with them, we were dying, but considering that the Germans and the French killed 100 times if not thousands of times more Russians, there’s no one hurt. and narrow-minded, who 1 said and at once repeated.
                1. ultra
                  ultra 10 May 2013 19: 55 New
                  0
                  Quote: Yeraz
                  , and reproaches are mainly not about rest,

                  Personally, my hostility to Turkey is based on the fact that it was this country that supported the separatists in the Caucasus, and did not even hide it much, saw the weakness of Russia at that time. It was enough for me to consider Turkey as a state hostile to Russia! times, quite a long time ago, and my negative opinion about this country and people only strengthened. hi
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 10 May 2013 20: 41 New
                    +1
                    Quote: ultra
                    Personally, my hostility to Turkey is based on the fact that it was this country that supported the separatists in the Caucasus, and did not even hide it very much, I saw the weakness of then-Russia.

                    So no one says that it is necessary to fraternize. Look Japan was bombed by amers with nuclear weapons ?? AND THEY ALLIES !!! Japan has more reasons to be offended than Russia has in Turkey. But they are together. Tatars and Russians killed each other, right now Tatars are closer than the same Ukrainians. We must look for common ground, carefully, carefully.
                    Here, many people want to see Russia as a great country, but Russia cannot be like that if it does not have strong allies, and the allies do not fall from heaven to conquer them in various ways, or rare cases based on a common misfortune. In the Muslim world, it’s really modern in the East, at the same time in Europe, an ally is better than Turkey not to come up with for Russia.
                    On the topic of all, the sale of the S-300 was exciting, as another member of the Alliance of Greece, which is completely dependent on the West, has it. Moreover, Russia has the S-400 developing the S-500, and Turkish cadets in Russia and on them will add there will already be Russian influence, they will be sent there, not to be taught directly what is fantastic, but that cadets from Russia will have acquaintances among the Turks who will hold positions in the future. Exchange of students covers a very wide range. And people come with deeper knowledge about the place where they studied and bring their state-university a clearer and more detailed idea of ​​the realities of that country.
                    1. ultra
                      ultra 10 May 2013 21: 25 New
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                      Quote: Yeraz
                      .See Japan bombed amers nuclear weapons ?? AND THEY ALLIES !!!
                      There was a war and it was just Japan that started it in full.
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      offended than Russia in Turkey.

                      But Turkey and Russia seemed to have peace, and yet Turkey didn’t stop it! It’s not a matter of resentment, this is interstate relations, it’s just that Turkey has shown how it can be a “good” neighbor.
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      On the topic of all, the sale of S-300 was excited,
                      This is not a topic at all, of course it is a “duck” to stimulate the allies of Turkey. hi
                      1. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 11 May 2013 00: 20 New
                        +2
                        Quote: ultra
                        There was a war and it was just Japan that started it in full.

                        Yes, but the nuclear was dumped on the civilian population, and where, as America had already won the Japanese. This was a demonstration of the power of the USSR.
                        Quote: ultra
                        But Turkey and Russia seemed to have peace, and yet Turkey didn’t stop it! It’s not a matter of resentment, this is interstate relations, it’s just that Turkey has shown how it can be a “good” neighbor.

                        You can’t convince you.
        2. ultra
          ultra 10 May 2013 15: 24 New
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          Quote: vostok1982
          the likelihood of conflict than between the Russian Federation and Uzbekistan

          How? We don’t even have a land border! request
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  30. Body
    Body 10 May 2013 12: 35 New
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    I think that for Turkey’s concessions to Syria, such as the refusal of provocations from its territory, the air corridor for arms supplies from Russia to Syria, we will now have to give Turkey something in return, perhaps what is discussed in the article and there is that bargaining chip that these concessions bargained for. But selling technology is very bad.
    1. family
      family tree 10 May 2013 12: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: Body
      I think that for Turkey’s concessions to Syria, such as the refusal of provocations from its territory, the air corridor for arms supplies from Russia to Syria, we will now have to give Turkey something in return, perhaps what is discussed in the article and there is that bargaining chip that these concessions bargained for. But selling technology is very bad.

      You're welcome. Yes, the same rockets from Iskander will be sent on its own, directly to the militant bases in Turkey. Large selection of warheads. Let them call the address. Prepayment is welcome, but we can do it in advance. Final settlement after delivery drinks And yes, preferably faster, the quantity of goods is limited.
  31. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 10 May 2013 12: 58 New
    +1
    I especially liked: - "We are no longer enemies." Your mother, and who are we?
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 10 May 2013 15: 22 New
      0
      Apparently strategic partners))), then here the comments of Turkish friends directly poisonous saliva splash "friends"))).
  32. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 10 May 2013 13: 11 New
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    Quote: Yeraz
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    yes the enemy of the whole civilized world

    Let’s not speak for the whole world. He is certainly not the enemy of Azerbaijan and many countries in the world.

    I do not speak for the whole world, but only for civilized countries, a civilized world))). "He is definitely not the enemy of Azerbaijan and many countries in the world" - who is he? Turkey is a country - it is. Good luck to you our civilized))).
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 10 May 2013 14: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      I do not speak for the whole world, but only for civilized countries, a civilized world)))

      Hmm, Azerbaijan is not a civilized country, but Russia is the top of civilization. Young people. Then you wonder why in the countries of the east that the USA, that Russia IS ONE AND ALSO. This megalomania is the same, we are civilized, and the rest is not, well, or whatever you decide.
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      "He is definitely not the enemy of Azerbaijan and many countries in the world" - who is he? Turkey is a country - it is.

      good
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      Good luck to you, our civilized)))

      And you do not get sick, but what we civilized will do without you.
  33. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 10 May 2013 13: 17 New
    +2
    “At the International Defense Exhibition in Istanbul these days, the Turkish company TAI (Turkish Aerospace Industries) presented three projects of the new TFX fighter. The initial fighter design program should be completed this year, flightglobal.com reports 9 in May.

    The images are drawings of three aircraft concepts - single-engine with front horizontal tail (“duck” scheme) and without, and twin-engine in the normal aerodynamic scheme (on the photo). Currently, the Turkish Air Force and TAI are discussing these three concepts.

    At the end of September a meeting will be held on the selection of one of the submitted projects. TAI is working on this program together with the Swedish industrial group SAAB.

    The first flight of the fighter is planned to be completed in 2023. TFX can replace Lockheed Martin F-16C fighters, which are in service with the Turkish Air Force.
  34. leopard
    leopard 10 May 2013 13: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: cherkas.oe
    I especially liked: - "We are no longer enemies." Your mother, and who are we?

    We are simply a “cow” for them, which can be milked by promising eternal love. A kind of stupid Vanya. And when they get theirs, with a knife up their throats.
    However, as for most Muslims.
  35. Selevc
    Selevc 10 May 2013 13: 40 New
    +3
    Turkey is actively modernizing its weapons and developing its military-industrial complex ... This testifies to the great geopolitical ambitions of this country ... And it seems to me that if Russia helps it in this, it will be a huge strategic mistake ... This is not at all the country that will simply be buy Russian weapons - they will buy samples and in a short time will create their analogues !!! And then they "sing" in a completely different way !!!
  36. piotr534
    piotr534 10 May 2013 14: 55 New
    +1
    In recent days, the press has been actively discussing the prospects for Russian-Turkish military-technical cooperation. Of particular note are the discussions on the creation of a joint anti-aircraft missile system in the framework of the T-LORAMIDS program.
    The logic of the Turks is absolutely clear. Russian air defense systems are the best in the world and when creating a joint anti-aircraft missile system, the Turks gain access to advanced Russian technologies. And, just as importantly, they get a unique opportunity to gain experience in developing such systems. Thus, in the future we will get another competitor. Very much it reminds the Chinese scheme.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 10 May 2013 15: 14 New
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      Anatoly Aksenov, Advisor to the General Director of Rosoboronexport, in an interview with Voice of Russia drew attention to the particularities of the Turkish arms market.

      “They have a whole state policy built up, aimed not at importing finished samples, but at obtaining technologies and developing production within the country or, perhaps, in third countries. The Turks want to learn technology, to raise the defense industry, guided by the words and testament of Ataturk "Peace in the country and peace in the world." In this regard, we support them. A neighbor who professes such a policy is good for us. ”

      The general director of Rosoboronexport Anatoly Isaykin emphasized that Turkey pays great attention as the closest neighbor and as one of the regional leaders.

      “We are ready for any form of cooperation, whether it be direct deliveries or cooperation. In recent years, Rosoboronexport has given preference to integrated proposals for technology transfer, for the creation of joint ventures, new types of equipment based on Russian proposals. That is, to a country that has a well-developed military-industrial complex, we will mainly offer such cooperation with the prospect of developing into cooperation, joint production. ”

      Russia and Turkey cooperate in a wide range of areas - from electronic technology to space systems. True, it's too early to talk about large volumes
  37. Alex
    Alex 10 May 2013 15: 00 New
    +1
    Turkey is striving to take a leading position in the region. Yes, and Erdogan is still a fruit. It will be a great stupidity to help Turkey arm itself with modern high-tech equipment, which can immediately be directed against us. Probably our leadership has lost memory, they forgot how during the conflict 08.08.08 our air defense systems shot down our planes?
  38. gabatikuk
    gabatikuk 10 May 2013 15: 08 New
    -1
    It is not necessary to cooperate with the Turks in the military sphere, but it is necessary to prepare for war with them. History proves that they were and will be, if not enemies, then opponents of Russia, only wise men can not understand it.
  39. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 10 May 2013 15: 11 New
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    Quote: Yeraz
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    I do not speak for the whole world, but only for civilized countries, a civilized world)))

    Hmm, Azerbaijan is not a civilized country, but Russia is the top of civilization. Young people. Then you wonder why in the countries of the east that the USA, that Russia IS ONE AND ALSO. This megalomania is the same, we are civilized, and the rest is not, well, or whatever you decide.
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    "He is definitely not the enemy of Azerbaijan and many countries in the world" - who is he? Turkey is a country - it is.

    good
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    Good luck to you, our civilized)))

    And you do not get sick, but what we civilized will do without you.

    Well, like that, bend of course))) although it may be for the better wink everyone will breathe freely, wars will stop, innocent blood will stop flowing - what is not the result?
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 10 May 2013 16: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      Well, like that, you’ll bend of course))) although it may be for the better wink you look around you will breathe freely, wars will stop, innocent blood will stop flowing - what is not the result?

      where are we evil that we are waging war without stopping, where we, before the peace-loving Russians, will be peace-loving on you wink
  40. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 10 May 2013 15: 43 New
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    [quote = Yeraz]
    "Hmm, Azerbaijan is not a civilized country, but Russia is the height of civilization. Young people. Then you wonder why in the countries of the east that the USA, that Russia IS ONE AND ALSO. This megalomania is the same, we are civilized, and the rest is not, well, or whatever you decide."
    "In Russia, for some reason, they are sure that the ordinary Turks madly hates them. Yes, for them the Slavs are all sorts of Natasha or Roxans, and vodka, too."
    If you Yeraz so hate Russia, its Natasha and Roksan, consider us all alcoholics, delusions of grandeur we have again, then be denoted by the Azeri or Turkish badge, why bother our flag? Do you hear me troll? Look how cunning it is - it breeds everyone carefully. Like ours, but hatred for us slides in every phrase.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 10 May 2013 16: 27 New
      +1
      [quote = Ruslan_F38] If you Yeraz so hate Russia, its Natasha and Roxane, consider us all alcoholics, [/ quote]
      Well, from which badun you decided that I hate Natasha, Roksan and consider you alcoholics ??? I spoke about the perception of an ordinary Turk by the Slavs, and about vodka it’s not that they are considered alcoholics, but an association with vodkas.
      [quote = Ruslan_F38] When indicated by an Azeri or Turkish badge, why bother our flag? [/ quote]
      Maybe because I'm a native Petersburg citizen of Russia ???
      [quote = Ruslan_F38] Do you hear me troll? [/ quote]
      So that there are no shortcomings, is it you who are turning to me like that ??
      [quote = Ruslan_F38] Like ours, but hatred towards us slips in every phrase. [/ qУuote]
      You definitely have glitches, the opinion about the perception of the Turks by the Slavs was attributed to my feelings about Russians, about hatred in every phrase. You yourself almost directly stated that my historical homeland is not civilized, and besides, read comments through every opinion here the majority of arrogance is whipped in all directions by the supposedly Russian civilized ones, and all former neighbors are monkeys, who were removed from a tree and taught to speak, write, wash and dress.
  41. Sotnik77s
    Sotnik77s 10 May 2013 15: 48 New
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    CATEGORALLY AGAINST THIS !!!!!!!!!! HOW MUCH TURKS OF OUR BLOOD SPILLED, HOW MUCH IN THE CAPTIVES WAS STEALED, TURBED, how many children were not born, how many Cossacks were killed !!!!!!!!!!!! and then they still transmit advanced technologies, it’s more like some REDDLE ideas, not advanced technologies !!!!!!!!!!!! yes they sleep and see to get all this and send it against us, because they have such weapons their brothel holders do not, and there has never been more in history, but here they themselves offer !!!!!!!!!!
  42. sedoj
    sedoj 10 May 2013 16: 04 New
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    Rolled on the lip! Of the entire article, only one phrase is acceptable: "Russian S-400 air defense systems are beyond competition"! And the point.
  43. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 10 May 2013 17: 28 New
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    .... Let Russian officers come to study at Turkish military universities, and Turkish officers go to Russia ....

    Usually the famous Turkish-filed OSTAP .. Suleiman and other things ... BENDER used to say easier - ".. can you still give me the keys to the apartment where the money is? ... And don’t want ears from a dead donkey?" ... Maybe they, in Turkey, send this book with the biography of the Great schemer? In the meantime, a very unequal exchange is obtained - they will study the most advanced models of military equipment, especially in the field of air defense, missile defense, aviation, tank building, and we will study the technology for the production and use of their curved sabers ... They will not offer us anything else, that’s practically all they have weapons from the United States, which means that we won’t even be allowed to see, not just what to study. Americans supply weapons with very harsh conditions ...
    And our some technologies for creating weapons for them are still a mystery - even when they received a couple of S-300 systems from different countries, they still could not fully study and understand the principle of operation of some critical nodes!
  44. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 10 May 2013 17: 41 New
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    [quote = Yeraz] [quote = Ruslan_F38] If you Yeraz so hate Russia, its Natasha and Roxane, consider us all alcoholics, [/ quote]
    Well, from which badun you decided that I hate Natasha, Roksan and consider you alcoholics ??? I spoke about the perception of an ordinary Turk by the Slavs, and about vodka it’s not that they are considered alcoholics, but an association with vodkas.
    [quote = Ruslan_F38] When indicated by an Azeri or Turkish badge, why bother our flag? [/ quote]
    Maybe because I'm a native Petersburg citizen of Russia ???
    [quote = Ruslan_F38] Do you hear me troll? [/ quote]
    So that there are no shortcomings, is it you who are turning to me like that ??
    [quote = Ruslan_F38] Like ours, but hatred towards us slips in every phrase. [/ qУuote]
    You definitely have glitches, the opinion about the perception of the Turks by the Slavs was attributed to my feelings about Russians, about hatred in every phrase. You yourself almost directly stated that my historical homeland is not civilized, and besides, read comments through every opinion here the majority of arrogance whips in all directions supposedly Russian civilized, and all former neighbors are monkeys, who were removed from a tree, taught to speak, write, wash and dress. [/ quote]
    Since you are a boredon, it’s you, not me, it’s first, secondly I don’t have to fool me, I have been reading comments for a long time and all of them are in support of the Turks, amers of Israel and NATO and are always negative towards Russia, and most importantly, you are always disrespectful to our women you treat or support such a disrespectful attitude (a branch about modernization of the army of Armenia) I don’t presume to say who you are Russian or Turkish or Azerbaijani, but definitely not a patriot of this country, although you live in St. Petersburg (not a fact) not a fig is Russian, because the real A Russian loves his country and hates its enemies, regardless of who is now in power in Russia, the main thing that would benefit the country. Here it is. Be healthy "Petersburg"))).
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 10 May 2013 18: 59 New
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      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      Since you are a rogue, it’s you, not me, this is, firstly, secondly, I don’t need to fool me, I have been reading comments for a long time and all of them are in support of the Turks,

      in the majority, yes, because I follow closely the life of Turkey, I know a lot of acquaintances there, I really judge, not sterotypes and illiterate articles.
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      amers of Israel and NATO and always negative towards Russia,

      Well, with the amers, you were clearly overworked, on the contrary, most of them criticize, like NATO, with Israel 50-50.
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      and most importantly women you our t

      No, you definitely confuse me with whom when I started talking about women, especially in a thread about Armenians ??
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      I don’t presume to say who you are Russian or Turkish or Azerbaijani,

      I’m an Azerbaijani. Here's the paradox that you are offended that I say a glitch for you, at first it was decided that I call Russians drunks, I insult women, but because of my comments it often slips that I am Azerbaijani or stupid from the comment you didn’t see it. BRAVO! !!
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      but you’re definitely not a patriot of this country, although you live in St. Petersburg (not a fact), not a fig is not a Russian, because a real Russian loves his country and hates its enemies, regardless of who is now in power in Russia, the main thing is to benefit the country .

      And who decides who is a friend or an enemy ?? If you get involved in a dispute about Stalin, then some consider the others traitors for not recognizing Stalin and vice versa.
      With Turkey, when was the last war ??? Or did Russia suffer the biggest losses with Turkey ?? No, literally 68 years ago the Germans of the Russians put TEN MILLION MILLION, but there is no such negativity to the Germans. Where is the logic?
      So I think about the benefits, because I know perfectly well the realities of Russia, I know very well what is going on in the Caucasus and Turkey. Therefore, when I see some steps by Russia, I understand that this leads in the wrong direction or for immediate benefits, without a strategic vision further or even greater aggravation. And those who are seated here in the bulk have never been to those places or having been there for a long time, without really knowing the situation there, the specifics and what is happening now, they are sitting judged as if they were thinking something .
      When there is a unique opportunity to communicate with people, from there it is NORMAL to discuss and as a result of the discussion come to something, only RUSSIA FORCE AND EVERYTHING. Damn nobody argues with this, Well, when nobody even tries to discuss something, but just hearing Russia here did the wrong thing, everything went running. Everyone will send to the war, although in reality one out of 1000 will go and that is not a fact.
      And you be healthy, no matter where you are from Russia))))
  45. darksoul
    darksoul 10 May 2013 18: 26 New
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    Since 400 is beyond competition and it is not necessary to carry them to exhibitions, the latest development should protect its own borders, the sale of S-400 as they are trying to sell the S-35 to China, I consider it a crime and a great short-sightedness ..... well, what can be developed with Turkey? we don’t need such partners ... tangerines, bananas, oranges are sent and enough from them and that woof ... but stuffed with netrates .... with Turkey nearby, only our Black Sea Fleet needs to be strengthened so that they can be given to them when the time will come