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Special Operations Forces in Russia are ready for use

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The Russian Armed Forces have formed Special Operations Forces, as well as preparing for their use. This was stated by V. Gerasimov, Army General, Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces. He also noted that the use of the MTR is planned not only in the country, but also abroad. And the process of combat training of the formation is constantly monitored.

According to Gerasimov, the Command of the Special Operations Forces was previously created, the scope of activity of which includes planned work and the implementation of measures regarding the army training plan. In addition, a special package of documents was developed, according to which the direction of development, the scope of use and ways of preparing these forces are determined.

Recall that the draft of the creation of this governing body was submitted to the military department in October last year, but Anatoly Serdyukov, who at that time held the post of Minister of Defense, considered the creation of an MTR impractical. However, over time, the situation has changed. And herself news about the creation of the MTR Command has become one of the most important military-political news in Russia. Many experts immediately called it strategic.

In this context, it is necessary to recall that in America such command has existed for more than a quarter of a century. Americans have long understood the obvious - the activities of special forces and intelligence units have now moved from the category of secondary to a completely autonomous way of conducting combat operations. The fact is that the war in its classic version assumed the existence of special forces as a preventive method of the initial stage of war, often even when military actions are far from the beginning. The enemy rear was supposed to be saturated with special forces, which was transferred to the enemy’s territory by air or water, or by other available means and methods. Then, these special units began a large-scale sabotage war, disabling strategic facilities, in particular, the centers and nodes of control of nuclear forces, strategic forces, headquarters. It was very important that the special forces have time to perform the functions assigned to them several days before the start of active hostilities, because the enemy, instead of attacking, will be forced to bring order to his own rear, putting in order important objects and communications. According to this principle, the special operations forces of most countries of the world created.

Special operations forces existed in the Soviet Union. Then they included eleven special purpose brigades. As a rule, they were land and designed for the deep rear of the enemy. In addition, there was a naval special forces, which operated in the coastal zones, as well as sabotage the military facilities and naval bases.

Soon it came to the realization that the capabilities of the special forces are much more than is commonly believed. Unfortunately, the first to come to similar conclusions were the Americans, who fought a huge number of local armed conflicts.

In small wars that have a strict local scope, in particular, conflicts in Yugoslavia, Iraq or Libya, special forces, in fact, are the main forces, forward detachments that could act completely autonomously and quickly. Thus, at present, the special forces are, in fact, a new, completely independent way of conducting combat operations. The very notion of what intelligence is and how it should be conducted has changed, and since the MTRs are related to it, they have changed. And if earlier intelligence was an integral part of combat support, at the moment it is a form of combat.

It is also important to understand that at the present time practically no state conducts reconnaissance in the customary understanding of this concept. Today, the time has come for network-centric military conflicts, the essence of which is to ensure that each unit that intends to clash with the enemy, initially makes his reconnaissance, and immediately after the detection, it inflicts an operational strike, using for that purpose all available facilities.

The entire combat zone is completely covered by a reconnaissance network, which includes all its types, including radar, acoustic, radio engineering, and visual. In this network, each unit is able to find the information that it needs, then process it in detail and strike at the enemy, destroying it. In the event that the unit does not have enough forces and means, a strike is delivered aviation, artillery or any other means of destruction. It is with the use of such tactics that the forces of special operations are one of the main elements of warfare. Often, units not only start a war, but also end it, that is, not only kill the enemy at their disposal weapons or improvised means, but also use special subversive units that are part of the forces of special operations, and which conduct subversive activities on the territory of the enemy.

In addition to units of this kind, special operations forces also include units specializing in ideological war, propaganda war, or even in such an unusual form as the war in the banking sector.

Unfortunately, in terms of creating such a force, Russia lagged behind the same America and Great Britain. At the same time, it is necessary not to forget that one of the best special forces in the world existed in the country - the GRU special forces. However, it was used inappropriately, that is, in small groups in local wars, in particular, in the North Caucasus. And finally, it was understood that it was necessary to create an MTR command, bringing together scattered special forces into a single powerful structure that is able to act under any circumstances.

As mentioned above, at the time when the post of minister of war was held by A. Serdyukov, an attempt was made to create a command and even special operations forces were created. However, all this was very far from the seriousness and understanding of the ultimate goal. All units of special purpose were concentrated in the center, which is known to specialists under the name "Senezh". Here there was a command, which was supposed to assume the functions of command of the SSO. However, it was immediately obvious that such a decision was a failure, because several hundred, even if very well-trained, fighters could not fully protect the interests of Russia.

Therefore, at the present time it is already a question of bringing together all the special purpose units into a single whole, creating a common command, then creating training and training centers in which new methods and methods of warfare will be worked out. It is clear that the command must deal not only with the material support of special forces, but also develop new weapons and equipment. In addition, for the SSO Command it is necessary to create our own aviation and other transport units to transport special forces to any corner of the world. Only in this case, we can say that the Russian government will receive a new weapon, unique in its essence and effectiveness, with which it will be able to solve a large number of issues and problems that were previously simply inaccessible ...

Materials used:
http://www.newsru.com/russia/06mar2013/minob.html
http://telegrafist.org/2013/03/23/47344/
http://izvestia.ru/news/540120#ixzz2DQD9SNpT
http://kanchukov-sa.livejournal.com/370608.html
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  1. radio operator
    radio operator April 18 2013 08: 15
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    And finally, it came to the understanding that it was necessary to create the MTR Command, collecting disparate special forces into a single powerful structure that could operate under any circumstances.

    It’s good that there is an understanding of the rational.
    1. vadimus
      vadimus April 18 2013 09: 38
      +6
      All good things must be stored, not in the dustbin of history. And without a strong army we can’t hold out ..
      1. Oleg Rosskiyy
        Oleg Rosskiyy April 18 2013 23: 31
        +2
        Without an army, only one thing can be extended — legs.
    2. baron.nn
      baron.nn April 18 2013 12: 40
      +2
      radio operator:
      now I would realize good intentions ... And I would like to believe that new Serdyukovs will no longer fall into the path of translating good ideas ...
  2. Canep
    Canep April 18 2013 08: 39
    +1
    I think that it is still necessary to separate the MTR for actions within the country, and for actions abroad. The requirements are different, within the country it is necessary to comply with the legislation of the Russian Federation, and abroad it is desirable to know the language and local specifics.
    1. Massik
      Massik April 18 2013 11: 44
      +3
      why the excuse X .... what we have a bunch of troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are busy ??? There is nothing to produce any other MTRs inside the country, we are probably rolling back denyuzhku again.
      1. воронов
        воронов April 18 2013 13: 23
        0
        Quote: Marssik
        There is nothing else to produce within the country.

        Where in the article is written about the creation of the MTR, for actions within the country? request
    2. воронов
      воронов April 18 2013 13: 19
      0
      Quote: Canep
      all the same, it is necessary to separate the MTR for actions within the country,

      What are you talking about? For actions within the country, Russia has long existed: the Ministry of Internal Affairs (including special forces), the police (OMON there), the Federal Penitentiary Service (they also have non-frail special forces in each regional department), the Federal Drug Control Service, in the end, the FSO. Either you did not read the article to the end, or you did not understand what the MTR is. fool
    3. Explore
      Explore April 18 2013 21: 16
      +5
      I don’t see the point at all.
      There are Special Forces of the GRU, there are Special Forces of the VV Ministry of Internal Affairs, Special Forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Special Forces of the FSB.
      All departments have completely different tasks and level of training.
      The small number of special forces of the FSB ("A" and "B") trained to free hostages and eliminate especially important leaders of illegal armed groups.
      Special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Interior Ministry, of which there are more than a dozen detachments — the fight against terrorists and the restoration of order in the country.
      Spn MVD - more police tasks.
      SPN GRU - reconnaissance, sabotage, ambushes and work in the interests of the GRU GSH.

      My personal opinion is that you just need to more develop the units of the Military Intelligence Special Forces (Special Intelligence Directorate), as the most universal units for use.
      1. Andrei
        Andrei April 18 2013 22: 10
        +1
        Explorar, you forgot to mention SpetsNaz SVR "Zaslon" - a kind of reincarnation of the Soviet "Vympel" - and he, as you know, had several other tasks than the current Russian one, if you are interested, here is a small article http://www.agentura.ru / dossier / russia / svr / specnaz /
      2. SPACE
        SPACE April 18 2013 22: 16
        0
        Quote: Explorar
        I don’t see the point at all

        + 100 Another office that is not clear, with yet another budget, and people from the GRU are more likely to be divided. Well, there is the GRU, their direct duty and task, has always been to plan and carry out operations. And for that matter, then ... if there is a state, then it requires security, and if the state requires security, then we need our own committee. Just restore the previous structure of the KGB and give it all the powers in your hands, including control over the change of power and the transitional government.
      3. Zynaps
        Zynaps April 19 2013 01: 47
        +1
        Quote: Explorar
        The small number of special forces of the FSB ("A" and "B") trained to free hostages and eliminate especially important leaders of illegal armed groups.


        Group "A" is engaged in the fight against terror. this is its direct purpose. group "B" - foreign force actions, illegal immigrants. in anti-terrorism they are involved as needed. sobsna, "V" is the only group in Russia designed to engage in reconnaissance and sabotage activities for black ops. The special forces of the GRU, as an army and naval service, can operate only in the legal field, when the army is at war with the enemy and he is clearly designated.

        Quote: Explorar
        Special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... Special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs


        in fact, this is not special forces. these are maneuverable operational units to combat all kinds of banditry. their sphere of activity does not include parachuting, overcoming the front line, reconnaissance and sabotage, the destruction of nuclear and strategic means of attacking the enemy. in these parts they have no idea about special mine groups, which are mandatory in the Special Forces of the GRU.

        Quote: Explorar
        SPN GRU - reconnaissance, sabotage, ambushes and work in the interests of the GRU GSH.


        %) ambush - this is one way of conducting reconnaissance.

        The Special Operations Directorate of the GRU works in the interests of the army or district (front) to which it is operatively subordinated. The GRU carries out general management and planning and sets tasks for the headquarters of armies and districts (fronts). receives intelligence from them. there is not a single part of the SPN that would report directly to the GRU. before - there was a case - in the Special Forces units, except for the command, no one knew in person or by the name of the head of the special intelligence forces, not to mention the head of the GRU.
        1. Hikar
          Hikar April 19 2013 03: 18
          +1
          The current Pennant does not perform operations abroad as in Soviet times. Now it focuses only on anti-terror. The scope of their activities includes the protection of nuclear facilities. Abroad SVR * Barrier * and officer groups of SPN GRU can legally operate abroad
  3. erased
    erased April 18 2013 08: 46
    0
    Let's see how the new MTRs will show themselves in practice. Moreover, it will probably come to the point soon.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS April 18 2013 22: 33
      0
      Quote: erased
      Let's see how the new MTRs will show themselves in practice. Moreover, it will probably come to the point soon.

      Well, a couple of dozen Papuans were shot in Syria!
      You can immediately see how ready you are for the actions of the MTR.
  4. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 April 18 2013 09: 37
    0
    Commendable!

    Road going by walking!

    It’s good that there was an understanding that the soldier should be able to do his job properly.
    Self-confidence will appear, self-esteem will appear.
    Hazing will disappear.
    1. Massik
      Massik April 18 2013 11: 53
      +1
      You’re a terribly optimistic person, let me ask the rest of the army where to go ??? where to fight in Africa.
      1. SIT
        SIT April 18 2013 13: 00
        +4
        Quote: Marssik
        I doubt that under current legislation, modern youth will agree to serve despite the fact that she will be sent where the thread to fight in Africa

        If it comes to Africa like the Congo, then there is definitely nothing for conscripts to do there. Until all vaccinations are done, until they recover after them, then climatization, while unrestrained by local water and food, because. if you eat non-native food, then you won’t get into the rain forest. For the same reason, smoking is also forced to quit in all available ways. After you scrutinize, mastering the movement day and night, orienting, when at 5 meters no horseradish is visible behind a solid wall of greenery, etc. etc. In general, just in time for the demobilization, he will be able to carry out some sort of combat missions, but he will count the hours before this demobilization, and not just the days.
      2. воронов
        воронов April 18 2013 14: 04
        0
        Quote: Marssik
        Judging by the specifics, only double basses will be recruited there, I doubt that under the current legislation, modern youth will agree to serve despite the fact that they will send them a thread to fight in Africa.

        And there’s no question whatsoever that conscripts would be recruited by conscription in the MTR. What can you teach conscripts in a year, especially in such specific units? It is precisely that these units should be staffed exclusively from officers and military personnel under the contract and the contract should be at least 5 years old. By the way, in the 50s, when special forces of the GRU General Staff of the USSR Ministry of Defense were created in the SA, they were staffed exclusively from officers and military servicemen, who were from the military, and usually recruited from the airborne, reconnaissance and sabotage army and navy units, underwent the most severe selection, the dropout rate was up to 70%. First, companies were created in each military district, then special forces battalions, later separate brigades of the GRU General Staff The Ministry of Defense of the USSR, they were in almost every military district of the Union. Since the 70s, conscripts had already begun to be called up there, of course, after careful selection. GRU special forces, for cover, began to wear the form of the Airborne Forces, although they had nothing to do with the Airborne Forces (the number of parachute jumps, moreover, from various aircraft and under different weather conditions, they had significantly more than that of the airborne troops) , they had completely different tasks, in those days few knew about the existence of such troops in our country. Memories of GRU special forces began to appear with the Afghan war, then they were often used there for other purposes, as military reconnaissance and sabotage groups, military losses went on, replenishment was necessary, and therefore the requirements for personnel were already for combat operations not around the world, but specifically under Afghanistan. When MO Serdyukov, GRU special forces brigades were significantly reduced, but several brigades remained, thank God, they were they are in the form of airborne forces, only on the chevron a bat is depicted against the background of a parachute, and they will apparently be the backbone of the MTR.
  5. fenix57
    fenix57 April 18 2013 10: 04
    0
    Quote: vadimus
    . And without a strong army we can’t hold out ..

    ++++. I hope no one will argue with this. Obviously and probably!
    The most important thing is not to overlap the "interests" of special purpose services, but of different POSSIBILITIES ...
  6. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 18 2013 10: 20
    +1
    I wonder why such elementary things reach our leadership only now, and why it was necessary to destroy the perfectly working Soviet mechanism for training special forces in order to create everything anew. Soviet "tourists" by the way regularly traveled to Western Europe and hung around there around various strategic objects, and now it's not a problem at all. Definitely MTR-BE !! soldier
    But I wonder "what will they say in the West?"
    1. SIT
      SIT April 18 2013 11: 37
      0
      Quote: Standard Oil
      But I wonder "what will they say in the West?"

      They will not say anything, because. this is nothing new for them. They remember very well Angola and Mozambique, where Soviet advisers organized both government troops and a partisan movement, and even perfectly interacted with special units of Cuba. An illegal network was deployed by the USSR in East Turkestan (Uyguro-Xinjiang Autonomous Region of China) in case of war. So for the Chinese counterintelligence, these super new initiatives of the RF Ministry of Defense are also nothing new. Of course, the United States did not start special operations 28 years ago either. Probably the countdown should be conducted from 1953 from Guatemala. But in the USSR, such an experience was also with the Chinese Eastern Railway and Spain. The saboteur Rudolfo, who served as a prototype for one of the heroes of E. Hemingway's novel "For Whom the Bell Tolls", is none other than I.G. Starinov: In general, I would like to hope that the newly created command will not start copying the same in the United States from the stove, but will first of all generalize the experience we have in such operations and develop it taking into account new technical capabilities.
    2. воронов
      воронов April 18 2013 14: 09
      +2
      Quote: Standard Oil
      .Unambiguously MTR-BE !! But I wonder "what will they say in the West?"

      Thank God that Russia already does not care what the West says about it am
  7. Shum86
    Shum86 April 18 2013 11: 02
    +2
    It will be a powerful "war machine", because our fighters are the best in the world !!!
  8. Lissyara
    Lissyara April 18 2013 11: 07
    +2
    For the prize of the King of Jordan, our special forces became the second. After the Chinese.
    Amount of chtol taken?
    SO HOLD, SWAT!
  9. 120352
    120352 April 18 2013 11: 10
    -5
    It seems to me, gentlemen, that these forces are ready for use, perhaps, in the parade ...
    They haven’t shown themselves in business yet, but the whole Caucasus and half of Asia are doing things ...
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara April 18 2013 11: 27
      +1
      You are mistaken, sir!
      There is an article on the site.
      Guys, for YOU! And we will help you from heaven!
  10. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov April 18 2013 11: 42
    +7
    Finally, Gorbachev and his guardsmen were breaking up with such frenzy ... Finally, Russia is learning to respect itself again and makes others respect itself. The need to create a MTR was overdue yesterday and how much negative could have been avoided if not such liberalists as Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Medvedev and their closest associates .... No matter how they put sticks in the wheels ... Russia to be a strong power !!! Glory to Russia!!!
  11. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 18 2013 11: 46
    +5
    Yes, I also think that Russian special forces are the best in the world, and that he does not have experience, this is complete nonsense, Angola, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Chechnya are behind him, and there are probably a lot of things, it’s just that all knowledge needs to be strengthened, expanded, deepened ! In modern Russia, thousands of officers with this combat experience! I hope this is not another duck and we will soon see the revival of the GRU special forces, even if it will be called special forces!
    1. Lissyara
      Lissyara April 18 2013 11: 58
      +1
      The namesake, and I can turn the globe)))
      And not only the 2 GU of the General Staff.
      All the guys in maroon, blue, black, green berets. But mostly in bandanas.
      1. воронов
        воронов April 18 2013 14: 19
        0
        Quote: LiSSyara

        All the guys in maroon, blue, black, green berets. But mostly in bandanas.

        It is not necessary to lump all the guys in berets into one heap, although I do not argue that they are all worthy, but everyone has their own tasks. But the MTR should really be an elite of the elite. And yet, in the troops there is no concept of "bandana", but there is the official term kerchief.
        1. Lissyara
          Lissyara April 19 2013 07: 46
          0
          I figuratively (about berets). It is clear that everyone has a different purpose. But about the term "kerchief" I am ready to argue. The cap is also not always called "airfield".
  12. Naval
    Naval April 18 2013 13: 06
    +1
    Recall that the draft creation of this governing body was submitted to the military department in October last year, however, Anatoly Serdyukov, who at that time held the post of Minister of Defense, considered the creation of the MTR inappropriate.

    Yes, the furniture maker had just a strategic mindset ... laughing
  13. ed65b
    ed65b April 18 2013 13: 17
    +3
    The furniture maker was thinking more about cutting money and selling his beloved real estate and land and about women he was thinking about relatives, but there was no time for the army, delas.
  14. Naval
    Naval April 18 2013 13: 24
    0
    Now it would not hurt to bring everything to mind, whatever works, "we wanted the best, but it turned out as always"
  15. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior April 18 2013 13: 25
    +4
    There was also a Vympel special detachment in Soviet times, sharpened for work abroad. Only Eltsyn was terribly offended by them in 1993, they were driven from department to department. There were people!
  16. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign April 18 2013 13: 31
    +1
    The article slipped through, or rather there was no clear differentiation in the actions of the MTR on the territory of Russia from the territory of foreign states. I agree with the "Minesweeper" ... Therefore, for actions within Russia, priority should remain with the OSN of the Interior Ministry, OPSN, OMON. By the way, for several years now, the Ministry of Internal Affairs has created a special purpose center similar to the FSB. Training camps, trainings, etc. are regularly held. - through it, according to the idea, it is necessary to pass the entire l / s of the Ministry of Internal Affairs specialists. But! This center is not a single body of operational management (in the event of a crisis) that makes decisions on the merits of operations, special events, their planning, tactics ... In addition, a clear legislative division is required (and not at the level of bylaws, as this was usually done in the USSR and Russia in the 90s). I see it approximately as follows: the MTR of the RF Ministry of Defense can operate on the territory of Russia in the event of aggression from foreign states, or on the territories of foreign states in solving problems of protecting and defending the Russian Federation, maintaining peace in "hot spots", on the basis of decisions or mandates UN, CSTO, other international organizations that Russia is or may join. In order for the soldiers of the MTR of the RF Ministry of Defense "not to stagnate idle", it is necessary to conduct interdepartmental internships with trips to the areas of the database, regardless of the place of their conduct. Somewhere like that ...
    I have no doubt that the creation of a single MTR of the Defense Ministry with its command and headquarters is, of course, an important, timely, necessary and necessary. Glory to the special forces! ..
    1. iliq
      iliq April 18 2013 15: 31
      0
      By the way, for several years now the Ministry of Internal Affairs has created a special-purpose center similar to the FSB. Training camps, trainings, etc. are regularly held. - through it, as planned, it is necessary to let the entire l / s specialists of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. But! This center is not a single operational management body (in the event of a crisis), making decisions on the substance of operations, special events, their planning, tactics.

      The Germans once had a problem with this - the command of the operation was not with the GSG-9, but with the local police - and, as a result, the corpses. after that, no "left" leaders are allowed to take part in special operations.

      Well, in terms of training - ALL special forces undergo a UNIFIED training program - for joint action, so that OSN Uryupinsk knows and understands what OMON Gadyukino is doing around the corner.

      although their structure is "multi-storey" - at the top there are "specialists" (GSG-9, GING, Delta or whatever they were renamed) of a small number, then "local special forces" (SonderKomando, Pi2G, SWAT) - a lower level, and below - the usual police.
      and they all take standardized training courses so that they can interact effectively.
      let's hope that someday in the Russian Federation they will create a similar system.
      1. Zynaps
        Zynaps April 19 2013 02: 04
        0
        Quote: iliq
        Well, in terms of training - ALL special forces undergo a UNIFIED training program - for joint action, so that OSN Uryupinsk knows and understands what OMON Gadyukino is doing around the corner.


        it only works for task forces to combat terror and all kinds of organized crime groups. for example: why does an operative-policeman need parachute training (in particular, night and high-altitude jumps), skills to overcome the front line, knowledge of the enemy's military equipment, neutralization of high-explosive bombs, and generally special mining suitable exclusively against serious army forces and assets? exactly
        But the function of the RDG does not include the fight against organized crime groups and terror.
        therefore, you should not put everything in one pile. and here it’s just suggested that you make vinaigrette and soft-boiled boots.

        special forces are units and subunits of the Army, Navy, state security, engaged in reconnaissance and sabotage activities in the operational and strategic rear areas of the enemy. the closest analogue is the foreign parts of commandos (fusileiros, rangers and tyds).

        the rest are maneuvering groups for police operations. Police officers with commando functions (except for the republics of the former USSR) are nowhere else. the "special forces" die slapped by departmental figures for show-off.
        1. iliq
          iliq April 19 2013 13: 17
          0
          well, it would be nice to read not only diagonally.

          Quote: Zynaps
          it only works for task forces to combat terror and all kinds of organized crime groups

          it works just as well for army special forces.

          Quote: Zynaps
          for example: why does an operative-policeman need parachute training (in particular, night and high-altitude jumps),

          Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer?
          it seems that the Russian language has also been written about a multi-story structure (GSG-9, Sonderkomando, Polizei), and for this we need uniform courses for each step. it is clear that the lower levels will not have such advanced courses as the upper ones, but they will have the same training at their level.

          Quote: Zynaps
          But the function of the RDG does not include the fight against organized crime groups and terror.
          therefore, you should not put everything in one pile. and here it’s just suggested that you make vinaigrette and soft-boiled boots.

          and what, do I have something written about army special forces? Where is KSK & Ko?
          although I see no contradiction in the introduction of uniform courses for the army special forces.
          1. Zynaps
            Zynaps April 20 2013 00: 19
            0
            Quote: iliq
            it works just as well for army special forces.


            Chukchi special forces?

            Quote: iliq
            Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer?


            well, you decide there at the camp who you are for the tribe.

            Quote: iliq
            like the Russian language is written about a multi-story structure


            and many other thoughtful Chukchi blah blah blah.

            Quote: iliq
            and what, do I have something written about army special forces?


            you have written about the "special forces". those. their analogue is the formation of commandos over the hill, where this title is not glued to any armed "mask show". Understand the terminology first, then you will download the right.
            1. iliq
              iliq April 20 2013 11: 44
              0
              "spetsnaz" chotki showed his "qualifications"
              good
  17. воронов
    воронов April 18 2013 14: 12
    +2
    It’s time to already create the MTR, and its backbone is the GRU special forces, not completely destroyed by Serdyukov
    1. Zynaps
      Zynaps April 19 2013 02: 18
      0
      this is again a situation where there are seven nannies for one child. The Special Forces of the GRU does not conduct police and "black" operations and operates exclusively in the legal field. them
      scale - army - district (front). The State Security Special Forces conducts "black" operations in the interests of the state security itself. anti-terror groups carry out operations in the interests of the same state security. and there is a police force acting in the interest of public safety.

      everyone has different employers, different goals and means. one needs to be able to jump with a parachute, crawl behind the front line and capture the Lance missile launcher and wells with nuclear bombs. others need to be able to screw up the leadership of some banana republic, so that they are replaced by figures loyal to our country. still others need to be able to free hostages, carry out operational work among those who like to blow up people and deliver preventive or retaliatory strikes. the fourth need to know how to skillfully and with little blood to crush bandits and bandit armies. What is the purpose of the MTR and the backbone of its SPN GRU? Is it a cloak and dagger union, or a hobby club? well, they will create another super-ministry to control men armed to the teeth. what will it give? Will the efficiency increase by dumping everything and everyone? here the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the State Security Service have points of contact - there it is necessary to establish contacts. and where to them more and deep reconnaissance of the Army and the Navy?

      there is an opinion that someone's hands itch in order to get closer to themselves the most combat-ready troops. just what will it give in perspective?
  18. Stalinets
    Stalinets April 18 2013 15: 18
    +2
    Kvachkova, appoint commander of these forces. This is his idea! yes
    1. Zynaps
      Zynaps April 19 2013 02: 20
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      Kvachkov has been in deep inadequacy for a very long time. so called The Chubais case is a very good litmus test. besides, Kvachkov had not commanded anything for a long time. you can find someone younger and more in the subject.
  19. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 18 2013 15: 51
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    Quote: Naval
    Recall that the draft creation of this governing body was submitted to the military department in October last year, however, Anatoly Serdyukov, who at that time held the post of Minister of Defense, considered the creation of the MTR inappropriate.

    Yes, the furniture maker had just a strategic mindset ... laughing

    Furniture maker for firewood laughing
  20. kori
    kori April 18 2013 16: 50
    +1
    I don’t remember his name, but the words of the American general cannot but rejoice “I don’t know when the war with the Russians will start, but I won’t be surprised when on the second day of the war I meet a guy in a vest at the entrance to the White House” (c). I hope he is not mistaken in his words and that is how it will be)
  21. Chemist
    Chemist April 18 2013 17: 18
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    Quote: kori
    I don’t remember his name, but the words of the American general cannot but rejoice “I don’t know when the war with the Russians will start, but I won’t be surprised when on the second day of the war I meet a guy in a vest at the entrance to the White House” (c). I hope he is not mistaken in his words and that is how it will be)

    This is a statement by the next president of the United States, R. Reagan:
    “I won't be surprised if on the second day of the war on the threshold of the White House I see guys in blue berets,” the bitch understood the power of the Union.
  22. Roman Vasilenko
    Roman Vasilenko April 18 2013 17: 23
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    It is strange that in the main photo the fighters are in a blot for 700 rubles. She breaks instantly and terribly rustles. I also have those in the department, but basically everyone in pure white from Jager walks.
  23. pawlo77
    pawlo77 April 18 2013 17: 31
    +1
    here will be a joke. Obama from the white house goes to a puddle for a walk. and there the boys in vests eat such drink brazier all things)))
  24. uizik
    uizik April 18 2013 20: 29
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    Was it really impossible to reform the GRU special forces gradually taking into account the combat experience of the wars in Afghanistan, Chechnya and other hot spots of the world? Where is military science, analysts, specialists? They came to their senses as always, when they all collapsed. It is good that the MTR will be under a single command, and its backbone is specialists from the GRU. On business there will be glory!
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior April 20 2013 11: 39
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      What for? As I wrote above, there was the KGB special forces "Vympel", imprisoned for work abroad.
      On their basis it is easier to create.
  25. Boomer
    Boomer April 18 2013 21: 11
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    sso it was necessary to create immediately after the first Chechen, and not ...
  26. Marconi41
    Marconi41 April 19 2013 01: 37
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    Yes, we have experience in this area. Google additional payouts for the fighting and see how many countries our people covered. I have not even heard of some wars in which our specialists participated.
  27. RUkola
    RUkola April 19 2013 03: 16
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    It seems to me that we need both special forces of the GRU and MTR
    Spenaz GRU for capturing command and staff posts, cutting communications, communication lines, liquidating or capturing senior command personnel, etc.
    The SSO, as a combat group, is capable for some time (even away from the supply bases) to conduct full-fledged combat operations against the corresponding enemy forces. It possesses a certain number of combat helicopters and attack aircraft. I believe that first of all the fastest such connection will appear in a southerly direction. The object is Azerbaijan and its army, the conflict of this country with Armenia is inevitable in the near future,
    However, I have nothing to do with the sun and may be talking nonsense
  28. Hikar
    Hikar April 19 2013 03: 34
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    By the way, it would be nice to create an aviation special forces unit in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, similar to the American 160 MTR Aviation Regiment * Night stalkers *. Such a squadron has already been created by the AOSN * Hawk * in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. And in general, in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, fellows are in charge of supplying their fighters, and army men are lagging behind the militia officers in terms of equipment, communications equipment, etc.
  29. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe April 19 2013 07: 32
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    Let's dump everything in one basket and trust Ivanov to the leadership.
  30. lesovik
    lesovik April 19 2013 19: 07
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    Ladies and Gentlemen! Wake up, after you removed the "Blonde" (he is the commander of the Eskander group from the movie "Black Shark"), the direction and development has stopped. It all depends on the role of the individual in history ...
    And believe the experts of this level are no longer and never will be!
  31. DimychDV
    DimychDV April 21 2013 14: 33
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    And how would it be dreamed that such an offender could get such forces anywhere in the world and punish them roughly. At least a gang, even a leader of terrorists, at least an organization. And how many other, geopolitical tasks can the state have throughout the zemsharik ...
    So that everyone knows around the world: if you touch ours, you won’t live. And you won’t get to the gourias either.
  32. ildar335
    ildar335 April 22 2013 09: 56
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    I propose to conduct the first operation abroad in the United States and call it "Revenge of the Empire"!
    1. iliq
      iliq April 22 2013 11: 25
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      was in the military enlistment office at the expense of obtaining an american visa?
      laughing
  33. ildar335
    ildar335 April 22 2013 20: 13
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    )))))))))))))))))))))