Leonid Ivashov: Enough to broadcast stamps about North Korea

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Leonid Ivashov: Enough to broadcast stamps about North Korea


About North Korea, we have developed stable cliches, that this is almost a cave country, always starving, all polls lined up for a cup of rice. This is not true. Suffice it to recall that North Korea is a space power that launches satellites. This is a rocket power.
They were the ones who managed to create their medium-range missiles on a car chassis, which neither we nor the Americans could do. North Koreans created their tank, not much inferior to modern Russian tanks.

Another factor is the survival rate of this state. Recall that after the fall of the Soviet Union, Cuba and North Korea, which focused on economic cooperation with the USSR and the socialist bloc, remained in isolation. All the last 20 of years they are under embargo. Let us try to imagine what would happen to Russia in two weeks if we were refused to buy oil and gas, and in addition would impose an embargo on food. I don’t even want to talk about it.

Yes, the Koreans were starving. But today there is no starvation of hunger. But a number of problems they managed to avoid. It is here that thousands of drug addicts die out annually on 100 - in the DPRK, they simply do not exist. There are no homeless people, beggars and homeless children. The country is developing. Yes, there is a strict ideological policy and control - they are terribly afraid that liberal ideas can penetrate into Korea. But free medicine, free housing, free education and many other social benefits. All live, albeit modestly, but about the same level. This terrifying social gap, like in Russia or even in South Korea, is not even close. In addition, in North Korea, starting with Kim Jong-il, democratic reforms are being carried out, albeit very carefully. They are seriously studying the experience of Vietnam, where they managed to maintain a socialist ideology, a socialist economy, but at the same time show such growth rates.

So what happens there today? Firstly, it should be noted that young leaders have come to power in the region. Kim Jong Ying in North Korea, in South - Park Geun-hye, the first woman in this post. In China, the generation of leaders has also changed. Of course, they all have to prove themselves as real leaders. And if we talk about the countries of the Korean Peninsula, here the new leaders are heavily influenced by the military.

Security issues are really quite acute. But they do not want to seriously fight among themselves, simply calculating the consequences. After all, even a nuclear-free conflict will easily turn into a bloody meat grinder. On the one hand, a strong and numerous army of North Korea. They only have more people serving in the ground forces than we do in all the Armed Forces - 1 million 200 thousand people plus 4 million permanent reserves. And there are two sniper teams, artillery, naval forces, a very large aviation, even outdated aircraft, 3,5 tanks. There are 2,5 thousand tanks and 670 thousand personnel in the South Korean armed forces. But let’s not forget that South Korea is under an American nuclear-military umbrella. North Korea does not have such an umbrella. Today, it itself is rapidly developing its defense industry, including the nuclear component, to create a guarantee of its security.

Now there is an information war, which explains the statements from each side. Everyone wants to show how real the war is, how dangerous it is, and also to demonstrate its full readiness for it. I hope that the information-psychological war for asserting the leadership of the new leaders will end the whole matter. Because Seoul is located in 40 km from the 38 parallel, and very reachable for the strikes of North Korean aviation and tactical missiles.

As for the nuclear conflict, there are no interested parties. Even the United States canceled the tests, sending the head of the joint headquarters to Beijing for consultations. But a nuclear-free local conflict is beneficial to the Americans, the Japanese, and to some extent even the South Koreans. Look, there is no war yet, but they are already deploying anti-missile forces, increasing their presence in the region, including nuclear strategic bombers, aircraft carriers, and so on. They are creating missile defense against us and China, they say, see what threats, which means the Americans are right, promoting a global missile defense system. In Europe against Iran, in the Far East against Korea. All this is nonsense, but its role is played. Japan, thanks to North Korea, essentially went beyond its Constitution, written by General MacArthur. Today it is creating full-scale military forces, working on a nuclear program (at least before the Fukushima tragedy worked), creating its missile defense system, building up groups of conventional forces. All allegedly against the DPRK.

Nuclear threat from North Korea is excluded. Even according to American data, it today has only 8 nuclear devices, but not warheads. On March 12, the head of the US National Intelligence submitted a report to the Senate Commission, in which the threat of the use of nuclear weapons Korea and Iran took it as a secondary threat, somewhere in the 7-8 position. A more real danger in this report is called cyber threat. That is, the Americans do not consider nuclear strikes possible, but they can play on it. After all, look what policy the United States. Their principle is to force the Arabs to fight against the Arabs, the Muslims against the Muslims, it is desirable that the Russians fight each other, the Chinese, the neighbor with the neighbor, and the North Koreans fight the south. And then Americans are always in demand and can solve their global tasks.

But even if the usual nuclear-free military conflict occurs, we can get radioactive contamination. Because Americans are likely to cause an airstrike on nuclear reactors, and those on the peninsula more than 30. Then we get a new Fukushima at the very borders. Plus, if such a meat grinder starts, we will get up to a million North Korean refugees in the Far East. The chances of such a 50 scenario on 50, if only China and Russia do not intervene in the settlement issue in the most decisive way. Therefore, we need to consult with China day and night and put pressure on the United States, demanding a decrease in activity. After all, it was they who provoked the turn of the conflict when they conducted full-scale exercises with South Korean troops, simulating nuclear strikes and flying over nuclear strategic bombers of the airspace of the SC. They provoked the young leader to such actions. Now North Korea is trying to prevent an invasion. By the way, I fully agree with the head of US intelligence, who clearly said that the DPRK is necessary for weapons of mass destruction in order to ensure security, defense capability and raise its prestige in the modern world. Moreover, North Korea does not speak about preventive strikes, it only scares retaliatory strikes. At that time, under pressure from the Americans, the South Koreans adopted a program of precisely preemptive strike, and this is really dangerous. Tension is growing, and just one provocation is enough to start a real war.

By the way, in our newest stories there was already an episode when Russia played a positive role in resolving the Korean standoff. We have long been very friendly and have partnerships with South Korea, especially in the economy. We also supplied military equipment there. And we do not need this conflict. Putin’s visit to the 2000 year allowed both Koreans to sit at the negotiating table. Diplomats have worked before that. The process of convergence was launched, and the leaders of the Korean states sent each other greetings on birthdays or other dates. And then the Americans did not like it, they destroyed this process. But I believe that after all these tense days and weeks, Koreans, both northern and southern, will begin to bring their positions closer again. The main thing is to ensure mutual security. But we need to work actively, and not to broadcast the cliches that North Korea is mired in poverty. They live better in many ways than we do. More resilient, they have a future. They carry out reforms, slowly and carefully, and not in the way we did in 1991. It is necessary to promote their openness to the world and give some kind of security guarantee. Today, no one gives such guarantees to the DPRK.
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  1. opkozak
    +34
    April 13 2013 15: 46
    He served with a Korean from Uzbekistan. Very hardworking people. He did not refuse any work, and he was friendly. I received white onions from home in parcels. Whereas the Uzbeks received parcels with nuts, in which several were with "plasticine".
    1. +24
      April 13 2013 16: 04
      Our company had a joint venture with South Korea in Busan. An employee fled from there, saying, "Now I understand that I am happy that I was not born in South Korea." North Korea is at least more honest.
      1. Vashestambid
        -79
        April 13 2013 16: 10
        In North Korea, we have established stable cliches that this is almost a cave country


        Cave no, but beggar yes. The US and the EU send humanitarian aid to them every year, but they won’t even say thank you !!
        1. +32
          April 13 2013 16: 48
          Why they won’t say? —No war. That’s the answer. And, by the way, why do they take humanitarian aid-they also live under sanctions, what kind of trade is it?
        2. +12
          April 13 2013 16: 53
          Quote: VashEstambid
          The United States and the EU annually send them humanitarian aid, but they won’t even say thank you!
          Yes, the North Koreans back in 1950-1953 said everything. What else do you need thanks?
        3. +36
          April 13 2013 18: 46
          Quote: VashEstambid
          The ShA and the EU annually send them humanitarian aid, but they won’t even say thank you !!


          For napalm bombing? If it weren’t for the USSR and the atomic bombing would have been arranged by peacekeepers. Throughout the conflict, the US Army carried out massive carpet bombing, mainly incendiary bombs, throughout North Korea, including peaceful settlements. Despite the fact that the conflict did not last relatively long, significantly more napalm was dropped on the DPRK than, for example, on Vietnam during the Vietnam War. Tens of thousands of gallons of napalm were dumped every day on North Korean cities. During the retreat, US forces massacred prisoners who could not be evacuated. The most famous incident of this kind took place in Daejeon (the shooting was carried out by the South Korean police).

          Bacteriological weapons were used by the American forces: bombs filled with insects infected with plague and cholera were dropped at the positions of the North’s troops. On April 1, 1952, at a session of the Bureau of the World Peace Council, chaired by Frederic Joliot-Curie, an appeal was signed for the command of the southern coalition `` Against bacteriological war '

          Pablo Picasso's painting `` The Massacre in Korea '' (1951) reflects the atrocities of the American military against civilians that occurred during the Korean War. There is reason to believe that the motive for the painting was the war crimes of American soldiers in Sinchun, Hwanhedo Province. In South Korea, the picture was considered anti-American, which for a long time after the war was a taboo, and was banned from showing until 92 years old.
          1. -25
            April 13 2013 22: 25
            In fact, the Korean War began North Korea, so the napalm bombing was not just. Too bravely showed the North against the South. Some kind of one-sided point of view - North Koreans are good, and Americans are bad. Everyone was covered up there. Moreover, extraneous giants entered the civil war, in fact.
            So do not forget about objectivity, otherwise cliches about the "innocent" North Korea will be born.

            In many ways, they live better than us. Sustainable, they have a future.

            And this passage from the article was generally amazing. Severe self-isolation (or just isolation) of North Korea is the future, but does Russia mean there is no future?
            And about stability - if the author is held in a fist, then he will stand, breathe every other time and with a creak, but will stand. And if you let him go, he will be able to wander back and forth (like now), fall, get up, wander on. Did the author find the "stable" option the best?

            In general, some things in the article are worthy of attention, some are not, and therefore it is not worth taking it without looking - you should think about what you read without slogans.
          2. Darck
            -12
            April 14 2013 03: 12
            During the retreat, American troops carried out mass executions of prisoners who could not be evacuated. The most famous incident of this kind took place in Daejeon (the shooting was carried out by the South Korean police).
            Well, it’s necessary what kind of selective quote, and it became a shame to completely post it)
            During the retreat, both the northern and southern coalitions carried out mass executions of prisoners who could not be evacuated. The most famous incidents of this kind took place in Daejeon (the shooting was carried out by the South Korean police) and Pyongyang (the northerners shot).
            And where does the American troops and prisoners?)
            Numerous testimonies of witnesses confirm that both North Korean and South Korean troops often resorted to torture and executions of prisoners of war, killed wounded enemy soldiers. So, on August 17, 1950, North Korean soldiers shot 41 captured American troops from the 1st Cavalry Division. [37] In the fall of 1950, more than a hundred American prisoners of war were shot by North Korean troops in Sunchon.

            US troops were ordered to kill all people approaching their positions on the front line, even if they look like civilians. The reason was that the DPRK soldiers often disguised themselves as refugees and thus had the opportunity to deliver unexpected blows. However, in many cases, civilians died, sometimes the number of victims reached several hundred. The shooting of refugees in the village of Nogylli in 1950 gained particular fame.

            The troops of the North carried out mass executions of civilians in the captured settlements. According to South Korean researchers, only during the capture of Seoul in 1950, tens of thousands of people were killed in this way.
            It’s quite epic when they try to pass off the attacker as the angels who were bombarded about the Lord)
            If the USSR and the atomic bombing were arranged by peacekeepers
            Yes, and the strategist of you is not what) no one in his right mind would not bomb the island on which they themselves are) If it weren’t for the USSR, then this war might not have happened at all. Because the northerners just attacked, with silent the consent of the USSR and its help, very closely with China.
          3. Darck
            -4
            April 14 2013 03: 13
            About bacteriological weapons generally tin)
            It is often claimed that UN coalition forces used bacteriological weapons: bombs stuffed with insects infected with plague and cholera were allegedly dropped on the positions of the North’s troops. On April 1, 1952, at a session of the Bureau of the World Peace Council, chaired by Frederic Joliot-Curie, an appeal was signed for the command of the southern coalition "Against Bacteriological Warfare". However, from the very beginning, the American command strongly denied the use of bacteriological weapons. The Soviet documents that have become public in recent years allow, with an appropriate interpretation, to assume that these charges were completely or partially falsified, and the campaign to combat bacteriological weapons from the very beginning was provocative. Some historians suggest that the authors of the plan for this propaganda operation were North Korean intelligence agencies (perhaps on the "advice" of Mao Zedong). Vyacheslav Ustinov, assistant to the deputy minister of foreign affairs of the USSR, studied the materials a few years after the war and came to the conclusion that it was impossible to confirm the use of bacteriological weapons by the Americans
            The front line was constantly mixed up and the Americans were either moving deep into the north or retreating. Do you think it makes sense to drop bacteriological weapons and then carry them there yourself?
        4. +35
          April 13 2013 19: 35
          Quote: VashEstambid
          Cave no, but beggar yes. The US and the EU send humanitarian aid to them every year, but they won’t even say thank you !!
          - Really, how else to convey to you? About a month ago, I clashed with a professor who posted here photos of Chinese hungry children of the Second World War and Japanese genocide and gave out these photos for today's North Korean children. He convicted him of a lie, now the professor is not visible to me as a professor (perhaps he has already noted himself again with his lying photo) and thank God. Reread the post - where is the poor power? And again, consider the reason - sanctions. Ivashov clearly indicated - apply such sanctions against Russia - I don’t even want to talk about the consequences. And the DPRK survives. Cancel the sanctions - and life will be no worse than South Korea.
          The States, before sending any assistance, let the sanctions be lifted. The DPRK is doing the right thing - when a nuclear strike is being conducted at your side, you have no choice but to react sharply. This is stupidity on the part of the Yukoreytsy - I thought they were smarter, they have electronics and all that. And they are being led by amerskoe incitement, conduct extremely provocative exercises and then run around the UN with eyes that are dull with fear, like the bandits are depriving them of sight. So behave exactly, and no one will deprive you of your sight. I urge you again - leave her alone and lift your fucking sanctions! Who gave the right to impose sanctions only for non-compliance of the regime with "democratic" standards?
          The states there are helping the chickens to laugh - more PRA than help. It is fundamentally impossible to feed such a population with humanitarian aid, and a pair of cargo planes is nothing at all, but the United States blows the whole world for these planes that saved the DPRK from starvation. Listen, your estambid, you seriously think that morons are sitting on this resource and will believe your dog delirium
          Quote: VashEstambid
          US and EU send humanitarian aid every year
          ? Do you seriously consider us as such? Do you have to prove by numbers that a pair of planes is more useful for the image of the United States than physical assistance to the DPRK? If you don’t want people to talk to you in that tone, don’t post stupidity. Respect the members of the forum, they are not stupid people, and there will be respect for you.
          1. +8
            April 13 2013 23: 21
            Quote: aksakal
            This is stupidity on the part of the Yukoreyts - I thought they were smarter, they have electronics and all that. And they are carried out on Amer incitement, conduct extremely provocative exercises and then run around the UN with eyes that are dull with fear, like, bandits deprive of sight.

            Let's not forget that South Korea, like South Vietnam, was created artificially, like puppet states, under the auspices of the USA!
            Quote: huut
            In fact, the Korean War began North Korea

            No one denies this! Just like the offensive of North Vietnam on Saigon! Only the Saigon regime did not last long ... And how would you react when some invaders seperate a fair chunk of people (your people) from your country, introduce their own laws there, and force them to quarrel with you? A normal state approach to this is to liberate part of the country and catch up on the invaders! And if in the Vietnam case it was possible (and no one remembers South Vietnam!), Then the Korean question was somewhat delayed! Amers clung to South Korea. They do not want to let go of the lever of influence in the Pacific region!
            1. Yarbay
              +8
              April 14 2013 00: 36
              Quote: AlNikolaich
              Let's not forget that South Korea, like South Vietnam, was created artificially, like puppet states, under the auspices of the USA!

              Quote: AlNikolaich
              the question was somewhat delayed! Amers clung to South Korea. They do not want to let go of the lever of influence in the Pacific region!

              That is why the amers will never attack the sowing. Korea and this situation is beneficial to them !!
              If the Korean issue is resolved, the amers will have to get out of there !!
              1. Thoroughbred
                -8
                April 14 2013 00: 39
                Do not have to. I propose a coalition and together free the DPRK. Then we will leave our base there, and NATO our own.
                1. +1
                  April 14 2013 22: 05
                  Quote: Purebred
                  Then leave our base there
                  And whose is yours? hi
            2. 0
              April 14 2013 01: 01
              Quote: AlNikolaich
              And how would you feel when some invaders seperate from your country a hefty piece with the people (your people), introduce their laws there, and force them to quarrel with you?


              There is nothing purely Korean on either side. Communism was brought from the north, democracy from across the ocean, everything external. And if we talk about the global meaning, then the confrontation between the superpowers, and these powers themselves, is to blame for this conflict. With this approach (as you indicated), both Koreas are not to blame.

              As a result, the confrontation between global ideologies gave rise to a civil war on this small piece of land (as before all of us known "big piece of land"), in which there are no right and wrong, or rather everyone is to blame, because "brother to brother" is can never be right. And it was the "northerners" who excelled in this.

              In fact, we pitted them against each other and are now reaping the benefits in the form of a "hot spot". And to hang everything on the Americans, and even more so on the South Koreans (their fault is that the North began to cut them out and would cut them in the end, did not outside forces interfere?) Does not care about the facts.

              And if this happened, as you say, on my land, I would certainly sacrifice the facts for the sake of my homeland. But Korea is not my land, so I look objectively. But objectively there the whole tangle is to blame, but to a different extent. And North Korea is not so white.

              And how would you react when some invaders seperate from your country a hefty piece with your people

              We constantly want to separate something, and I have an extremely negative attitude to this (decently to put it). Only this is not at all what happened in the Korean War. It turned out exactly one country against another, and one people against another, even though they are similar. Well, the "northerners" went to cut out "their" people in the south, according to your logic? And they are good in the end !?
              To be honest, I can hardly imagine what the South Koreans were guilty of in that conflict, although I say that "everyone is to blame." In softness? The fact that they have gone to democracy? Was it worth killing them? The Koreans themselves need to solve this moral, ethical and territorial problem. So I figure it out, if the Americans leave there, they will solve it with the old method ...

              Do you seriously believe that if the South Koreans are left alone, they will joyfully go over to communism and go under the wing of the north? And will the North Koreans melt their entire huge army into yelling and work peacefully in the absence of an external threat? Yes, they will carry out the southerners in a week if the Americans roll away.

              From what angle do not look, well, there is no right here, so much has been tricked out. Well, except for the ideological angle - there are some right-wingers.

              And here in the next article, an employee of some institute talks about the "peace-loving mentality" of Koreans! Maybe they meant external aspirations, they say they will never go to fight other countries. Yeah, but they will plow their own to the core of the earth.
              1. 0
                5 May 2014 17: 12
                And yet in the fight against the Americans and their henchmen there should not be prohibited methods and means. Personally, from my point of view, any aspirations and actions against Americans, NATO and pro-American evil spirits are absolutely ethically justified. The worse the Americans, the better for us. There shouldn't be any sentiment here. There is a national liberation war, and there should be no place for pity, fear or shame. Any methods and methods to the court, if they entail the maximum possible loss of the pro-Westerners and the Americans personally.
          2. 0
            April 14 2013 19: 21
            Quote: aksakal
            a month ago clashed with a professor

            Found someone to contact. Israeli troll. Liar, talker. I got it through yesterday in half a day. Note, I'm new here! It would be necessary for ALL to come to an agreement and not "feed" the troll. He will die himself. laughing
          3. 0
            5 May 2014 17: 04
            The main thing to remember: Russia will survive even with absolute sanctions and an absolute embargo. No one in history could ever impose their will on Russia, much less destroy it.
        5. yak69
          +13
          April 13 2013 20: 53
          Quote: VashEstambid
          The US and the EU send humanitarian aid to them every year, but they won’t even say thank you !!

          The United States and the EU also sent humanitarian aid to us in the 90s. From their words, we, too, died of hunger here. We also need to say thank you to them ?! So what ?! Thank you for the collapse of the Union, for the provocations, for the grown-up liberal traitors who have pulled our country to this day! Why else would you advise all backward humanity to say thanks to the US and the EU ?! For world meat grinders? For a hungry hell in Africa? For the prospect of destroying 2/3 of the world's population (because, according to the Rockefellers and Rothschilds, there are already a lot of superfluous people on earth) ?!
          For you, and for people like you, we should definitely "thank" the US and the EU!
          1. Warchief
            -7
            April 13 2013 23: 52
            Quote: yak69
            We also need to say thank you to them ?!

            Yes.
            Quote: yak69
            Thank you for the collapse of the Union

            You are welcome. Just say thank you to the party nomenclature, which it was all profitable for a very simple reason - they stole theft, and use the stolen - nishmagli. The mess in the country was in their interest. But you can continue to think that the bear-tagged is to blame for everything, yes.
            Quote: yak69
            liberal traitors

            Please clarify the traitors. Who do you mean by them. Anyone who disagrees with your opinion?
            Quote: yak69
            For a hungry hell in Africa?

            Negro problems - people are not interested.
          2. Darck
            -4
            April 14 2013 02: 48
            The United States and the EU also sent humanitarian aid to us in the 90s. From their words, we, too, died of hunger here. We also need to say thank you to them ?!
            In 1920–23, during the famine in Soviet Russia, the United States sent humanitarian aid, the office was called ARA. They fed 10 million people and what they received. Two were imprisoned as spies, and the councils wrote in newspapers that the United States got rid of its products so that to prevent the collapse of prices for them. I think after this, no one else is waiting for gratitude).
            1. +3
              April 14 2013 13: 17
              Quote: Darck
              In 1920–23, during the famine in Soviet Russia, the United States sent humanitarian aid, the office was called ARA. They fed 10 million people and what they received. Two were imprisoned as spies, and the councils wrote in newspapers that the United States got rid of its products so that to prevent the collapse of prices for them. I think after this, no one else is waiting for gratitude)
              - distort the story and then when you are poked into your own guano, you’re offended. The famine was provoked precisely by the politics of the West after the expulsion of Trotsky. The calculation was simple - provoke a hungry popular rebellion that would sweep away Stalin and create the conditions for the triumphant return of Trotsky.
              Dark, come to me. I will place you in my barn with barred windows. These barn conditions will simulate the country's living conditions under sanctions, essentially under blockade conditions. And I will feed you a cup of rice (I will even put a little meat there!), Serving food on a pole through the wire rack. In exchange for such feeding, you will owe me your life - I saved you from starvation, and what a yak? - and you will plow for me in gratitude! Agree to such conditions? I'll pay for the ticket ... If you don't agree, explain why you don't agree. Your justification can give you a hint why neither the population of the USSR, nor the population of the DPRK experienced, does not feel and will not feel gratitude to the Amers for their "humanitarian" assistance.
              Simply and briefly: Instead of humanitarian aid, give freedom of economic action, and shove your humanitarian aid to yourself where you, Dark, will stick rectal suppositories after a real and physical attempt to claim gratitude for your "humanitarian aid". So intelligible? Tell me how you understood? I can even more clearly.
              1. Darck
                -4
                April 14 2013 18: 18
                - distort the story and then when you are poked into your own guano, you’re offended
                Juggling the facts, all sorts of fermented patriots like to do it, on this site, there was an example above.
                The famine was provoked precisely by the politics of the West after the expulsion of Trotsky.
                For decency, you would study the history of your country. You can start from the eleventh century, you will see that hunger in Russia was a frequent occurrence. The famine of 20-23 years, was caused by a civil war, reigned in the territory controlled by Uncle Lenin. Which, moreover, destroyed trade by arranging a subsistence, took goods from people for the needs of the country, and people went hungry. It was a short course in the history of your country, and you will tell your tales about evil Americans to your friends in your barn)
                hunger riot that sweeps away Stalin
                If there was someone to merge, then this is Lenin, Stalin at that time, he did not lead the country)
                Dark, come to me.
                Is this a date?
                I will put you in my barn, with barred windows.
                Ahhh ... so you are also sado-mazo)
                essentially under blockade conditions.
                Was it Russia that was in the conditions of the blockade?) You rave again) They had hunger in the country, and they traded grain at all. When the dead Americans asked, what are you doing, you have hunger. They answered, we need to raise the army) So that go learn history) About the DPRK in general it is epic, almost the entire UN put forward sanctions against them. What did not stop the north from trading with China, Brazil, Dominican Republic, the Netherlands, Algeria, India, Egypt, Russia. They themselves can’t feed themselves, the areas suitable for agriculture are small. And they should say thank you that they are being helped, even South Korea sends food annually, I am silent about private firms. And you shouldn’t blame countries that don’t want to deal with them; You will. Sev Korea has already tried once.
                and shove your humanitarian aid into the place where you, Dark, will stick rectal suppositories to yourself after a real and physical attempt to claim gratitude for your "humanitarian aid".
                Well, don’t try so hard, so much emotion, about gratitude, I wrote above, but didn’t get to you again) Americans are already trained, Russian gratitude, from the time of the same famine, from the times of industrialization of Russia and the same Land Lisa, for which scoop squeezed the loot. And Russia still has not paid) So you have to continue to live in the barn tovarisch)
                1. 0
                  April 14 2013 18: 45
                  Quote: Darck
                  the same Land Lisa, for which the scoop clamped the loot. And Russia still has not paid)
                  In general, it wasn’t necessary to pay, for what, to pay for a constant supply interruption? But seriously, it’s good that they didn’t pay, because this is a more political issue. How many countries were supplied with this Lend-Lease and forgiven everyone, but here, see what scrupulousness. In short, you are told: wait until 2030, so do it)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
                  )))))))))))))))))
                  1. Darck
                    +1
                    April 14 2013 19: 25
                    pay for something
                    For what they delivered, not even for what they delivered, but for the fact that they survived. But the scoop clamped here too)
                    after all, this is a political issue.
                    Actually, it was a matter of life and death and help in the victory over fascism.
                    for the constant disruption of supplies?
                    Yes, you still say, you didn’t get anything and in general you would have won and naf all. Wider fingers, wider.
                    In how many countries was this Lend-Lease shipped and forgiven
                    It is the right of Americans personally, to whom they forgive and who do not. And the same Great Britain, being an ally of the United States, returned the debt)
                    In short, you have been told: wait until 2030
                    In general, it is said to give a postponement, since Russia was not a wealthy country then. At one time the USSR was given a postponement, until 2001, but it did not survive. A tendency?)
                    1. +1
                      April 14 2013 19: 54
                      Quote: Darck
                      . But the scoop and clamped here)
                      Well done scoop good !
                      Quote: Darck
                      help in defeating fascism
                      So help or leasing?
                      Quote: Darck
                      Yes, you still say, did not receive anything, and in general you would have won
                      I will not say, because I have already clearly said - "... constant disruption of supplies .."
                      Quote: Darck
                      It’s a personal right for Americans to whom they forgive and who do not.
                      Well, if you are reasoning in such logic, I will inform you that it is the right of the Russians when and how much to give. Do not like --- contact the collector wassat
                      Quote: Darck
                      Generally said to give a respite
                      here wait tongue
                    2. counterpropaganda
                      0
                      April 17 2013 04: 06
                      Quote: Darck
                      Yes, you still say, you didn’t get anything and in general you would have won and naf all. Wider fingers, wider.


                      Well, my friend, tell me how many Arctic convoys came to Murmansk from July to November 1942, i.e. the most difficult period of the Battle of Stalingrad? How many and what cargoes came during the same period along the trans-Iranian and Pacific routes? And then squeals about the fact that without a lend-lease a scoop would be a khan is one thing, and knowing when exactly the Lend-Lease help became real and significant is another.
                2. +2
                  April 14 2013 21: 11
                  Quote: Darck
                  The famine of 20-23 years, was caused by a civil war, reigned in the territory controlled by Uncle Lenin. Which, moreover, destroyed trade by arranging a subpayment, took goods from people for the needs of the country, and people went hungry. It was a short course in your history country,
                  - this is really such a short history course that, because of its brevity, it did not fit a single word of truth laughing This famine of the times of devastation was overcome through the introduction of the NEP, without any humanitarian aid from the United States, there is nothing to thank them for, and therefore let them go with outstretched hands for gratitude to someone else, perhaps, and Christ will give them laughing
                  Quote: Darck
                  and they traded grain in all
                  - and this is another story, when the country overcame the devastation with the help of the NEP, but headed for the modernization of the country, the very modernization, thanks to which the USSR had a worthy weapon, which allowed a little later to defend its homeland, thanks to which the USSR was the first to enter space, etc. .d. For the modernization, machines, technologies, samples of equipment and so on were needed. Only the West could provide them. But by that time, Trotsky had been overtaken from the country, and the West INTENTIONALLY introduced only grain as payment for the supply of equipment necessary for modernization! Neither gold, nor timber, nor furs, nor the gold duct introduced by Lenin - only grain, which was not particularly needed by itself, for the West more than produced this grain itself! Why? The West knew very well that the export of such a quantity of grain would provoke hunger and deliberately led to this. And when famine raged in the USSR, in the Volga region and in Kazakhstan (Goloshchekin, be he CURSED!) Sanctimoniously sent a couple of echelons with bread as "help", and now Dark reproaches with this piece of bread laughing laughing Dark, don't run up. You have cereal in your head instead of knowing history, go and learn the materiel.
                  Quote: Darck
                  And they have to say thank you for helping them,
                  - I advise again - do not tell Koreans what to do, and they will not tell you where to go laughing And you have to go very, very far and in a not very pleasant place. I advise you to proceed there immediately!
                  1. Darck
                    -2
                    April 15 2013 01: 17
                    it’s really such a short history course that, because of its brevity, it did not fit a single word of truth
                    I have already made a recommendation above, to study the history of my country, so as not to be dishonored)
                    This famine of the times of devastation was overcome by the introduction of the NEP, without any humanitarian assistance from the United States
                    Yeah, that's why the Russian leadership asked for humanitarian assistance) Indeed, without any) I will give a second tip, less bukh)
                    and this is another story when the country overcame the devastation with the help of the NEP
                    It was in the year 22) hunger lasted until 23 years)
                    and the West INTENTIONALLY introduced only grain as payment for deliveries of equipment necessary for modernization!
                    Tie it with drugs too), there was such a company, AMTORG, I advise you to study it carefully too, and yes, trade with the West, they started in the year 24) And I remind you of the famine before) They paid the United States with gold. I don’t like illiterate and problem people, so for now)
                3. +1
                  April 14 2013 22: 08
                  Quote: Darck
                  Distorting facts, all sorts of fermented patriots like to do,
                  And so are Russophobes and zombie inhabitants of the "swamp"! am
                  1. Darck
                    -1
                    April 15 2013 01: 30
                    And so are Russophobes and zombie inhabitants of the "swamp"!

                    And by the way, too)
                    So help or leasing?

                    And help and leasing)
                    I will not say, because I have already clearly said - "... constant disruption of supplies .."

                    Fingers wider, wider)
                    Well, if you are reasoning in such logic, I will inform you that it is the right of the Russians when and how much to give. Do not like --- contact the collector

                    Good attempt to otmazatsya)
                    here wait

                    Have I already mentioned the trend? Oh yes ... wait)
        6. polygraph
          +5
          April 13 2013 21: 10
          You probably wanted to say a focused country.
        7. -5
          April 14 2013 06: 24
          I rarely pour out emotions, but I can’t hold back here, you are stupid if you consciously write this.
      2. opkozak
        +4
        April 13 2013 23: 43
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        An employee fled from there, saying, "Now I understand that I am happy that I was not born in South Korea."

        Maybe the Koreans worked more than eight hours a day and forced him to?
    2. 0
      April 13 2013 18: 28
      And what about the famine of 1995-1999?
      1. Hudo
        +3
        April 13 2013 22: 05
        Quote: Deniska999
        And what about the famine of 1995-1999?



        For several years in a row - crop failure due to adverse weather conditions, and even in isolation.
        1. Thoroughbred
          0
          April 13 2013 22: 11
          Amazing stories are simple.
        2. +5
          April 13 2013 23: 25
          Quote: Hudo
          For several years in a row - crop failure due to adverse weather conditions, and even in isolation.

          Apparently crop failure was not casual! Perhaps climatic weapons were used!
          Now there are enough ways, for example to cause a drought ...
          1. +6
            April 13 2013 23: 32
            Do not wear a foil hat? And then the CIA is able to shine through the satellites of the brain! wink
            But not! a new century!
            Not from satellites, but using mobile phones!
            1. 0
              April 14 2013 00: 21
              Quote: dmitreach
              Do not wear a foil hat?

              Are you wearing? And helps from brain clearance? wink
              Quote: dmitreach
              Not from satellites, but using mobile phones!

              To drown a mobile phone in a toilet! And do not go to the computer! Dangerously! laughing
              1. 0
                April 14 2013 01: 34
                from brain clearance helps?

                Are you interested in equipment that helps with brain clearance? belay
                This is to Igor Prokopenko, he knows. Unfortunately, I do not watch his program, I can not help you with advice. And about the foil caps, the developer of the climate weapon tried to give lectures, but we instructed him with a premium portion of gelaperidol. request "Chief physician Morgulis" insisted after "banned TV."
                To drown a mobile phone in a toilet! And do not go to the computer!

                Thank you for taking care of my health. Spring is difficult. Understand. Take care of your health. Eat fruit smile
                With respect and understanding, your nurse. Call 03.
    3. Nevsky
      +11
      April 13 2013 20: 56
      EVERYTHING MANDATORY RECOMMENDED FOR VIEWING! SPANISH AT DPRK SERVICE!!!

      1. crest 57
        +3
        April 13 2013 23: 12
        There is nothing to add. Everything to the point. Well done!
      2. +1
        April 13 2013 23: 40
        Thanks for the video! Strongly reminiscent of our homeland!
    4. Zen
      Zen
      +3
      April 14 2013 13: 40
      I once drank vodka with a real North Korean.
      It turned out to be a very decent person, it was a pity that he spoke Russian poorly.
  2. +1
    April 13 2013 15: 48
    For some reason I am sure that North Korea is acting in collusion with the United States. Another "threat to the world," and the United States will keep repeating, we are for peace! we warned you! ... And in the end, the United States will have another point where it will place another missile defense component, right next to Russia, and right in a strategically important region! Another divorce between Russia and the world!
    1. +11
      April 13 2013 15: 57
      Quote: krez-74
      For some reason, I’m sure that North Korea is in collusion with the United States.



      Most likely, each side "pursues its own interests" ...
      1. +4
        April 13 2013 16: 04
        It is clear that each side pursues its own interests, BUT too loud rhetoric is heard from Pyongyang, it is too belligerent, and the media is too busy with it ... This ZHZHZHZH, as they say, is not casual! The one who screams the most is usually not involved in a fight.
        1. +7
          April 13 2013 16: 39
          Quote: krez-74
          It is clear that each side pursues its own interests, BUT too loud rhetoric is heard from Pyongyang, it is too belligerent, and the media is too busy with it ... This ZHZHZHZH, as they say, is not casual! The one who screams the most is usually not involved in a fight


          In this regard, I support only the statement that the media are too much talking about her. Alas, our country missed the "impunity" attack from the ROK, about its readiness to start a PREVENTIVE war against the DPRK, and then after the DPRK's response about its readiness to meet the enemy with all types of weapons, including nuclear weapons, "quietly stood" on the sidelines and as a result received deployment of missile defense elements on our eastern borders
    2. polygraph
      +1
      April 14 2013 00: 26
      I agree. If the stars are falling, then someone needs it.
  3. +4
    April 13 2013 15: 52
    Russian-North Korean relations
    From Wikipedia
    After the end of World War II and the expulsion of Japanese troops from Korea, the territory of the Korean Peninsula was divided along the 38th parallel. North of it were Soviet troops, south - American. In 1948, a pro-Soviet communist government was formed in the northern part of the peninsula, headed by Kim Il Sung, and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea was formed. On October 12 of the same year, the USSR became the first state to recognize the new government. During the war of 1950-1953, the Soviet Union together with China actively supported the DPRK. In 1961, a basic bilateral Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance was signed.
    After the collapse of the USSR, contacts with this isolated country greatly weakened. Only in 2000 did the first visit of the head of the Russian state to Pyongyang take place. Then, agreements were reached on intensifying political contacts and developing measures to restore economic cooperation. In recent years, intergovernmental agreements have been signed on air services, on cultural cooperation, on the promotion and mutual protection of investment, on avoidance of double taxation, on mutual trips of citizens, on economic and technical cooperation; on cooperation in the forestry sector, in customs affairs, in the fight against crime and law enforcement, in the use of satellite navigation systems.
    Russia periodically provides North Korea with humanitarian aid. On August 1, 2004, a food shipment (34,7 thousand tons of wheat worth $ 10 million) arrived in the DPRK through the United Nations World Food Program (WFP), delivered as part of the first Russian donor contribution to WFP. In 2009, an agreement was reached on the joint reconstruction of the Tumangan-Rajin railway. In the port of Rajin, the construction of a container terminal is planned.
    Cooperation in the nuclear field between the Soviet Union and the DPRK began in 1956. In 1965, the first Soviet light water reactor IRT-2000 with a capacity of 2 MW was launched in the country. In the 70s, active development of nuclear weapons began with the direct assistance of the USSR and the PRC.

    Since 2003, Russia has been participating in the six-party talks on the DPRK nuclear program.

    Official Moscow condemned the North Korean missile launch on December 12, 2012, but still opposes harsh actions against Pyongyang.
    1. Kaa
      +5
      April 13 2013 17: 58
      Quote: AleksUkr
      After the collapse of the USSR, contacts with this isolated country greatly weakened.
      But in vain. "It has already been suggested that the DPRK is a fairly promising trading partner (G. Globa, North Korea as a promising trading partner // Edinstvo, №1 / 147, 2013, pp. 24-30; website" Korea Business Consulting "(KBC); Ilya Dashkovsky. Making money on communism // Business magazine RosBusinessConsulting, 10/2011). The main industries are mechanical engineering, power generation, chemical industry, mining (coal (64% of world reserves), iron ore, magnesite, graphite, copper, zinc, lead), metallurgy, textile industry, timber industry, food industry The oil refining industry (two plants), mechanical engineering, the production of high-precision electronic devices are developing. The entire range of products manufactured in the DPRK is presented in export. North Korea's trading partners are European countries such as Germany, the Netherlands, Poland, Austria, which speaks of high quality and the competitiveness of the goods sold. Among its partners are more than 120 countries in Asia, Eastern and Central Europe, Africa, Latin and South America. In foreign trade, the DPRK is severely limited by sanctions imposed by the UN, the United States, South Korea and Japan. At the same time, the export segment of the mining industry began to develop, and the lion's share in it is occupied by trade in anthracite and rare earth metals. The products of the metallurgical industry are represented by a wide range of goods from raw zinc (the mountains of the country are rich in reserves of metals) to pipe rolling, metal products, iron, stainless steel, tool and surgical steel (the last two should have very high characteristics) Already in five years, one can trace how the country moves from the resource base of the Far East to a developed high-tech state. The mere fact that high-quality and competitive products are exported, made not only from imported parts, but also going through a full production cycle within the country, speaks of a very competent policy in the economic sphere.
  4. Genoezec.
    +5
    April 13 2013 15: 53
    Indeed, completely tired of these annoying cliches about the backwardness of Korea in all but military plans!
    1. +5
      April 13 2013 19: 43
      Quote: Genoezec
      Indeed, completely tired of these annoying cliches about the backwardness of Korea

      Right! It's just that Korea has lowered the "iron curtain", as the USSR once did. Here they have no drug addiction, and other "crap good". Because the West is hysterical. Especially Japan. They are already shouting about the third missile launch and, accordingly, the threat to Japan.
  5. +4
    April 13 2013 15: 55
    This is all true. I am ready to agree with the author. The media really went too far with their "assessments". But the North Koreans' unhealthy love and enthusiasm for their "leaders" is alarming. Or is it mental or ostentatious. But it looks scary from the outside. And the article is a plus.
    1. +9
      April 13 2013 17: 41
      Quote: aviamed90
      the unhealthy love and admiration of North Koreans for their "leaders" is alarming.

      About 50 years ago, we also loved the grandfather of Lenin and the Father of all nations. Now many want to return those times.
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +5
        April 13 2013 18: 28
        Quote: Bort Radist
        About 50 years ago, we also loved the grandfather of Lenin and the Father of all nations.


        And you might think that this is not so right now? belay Well ... who doesn't "love" the Great and Almighty here? wassat +! wink
        1. +3
          April 13 2013 18: 37
          Quote: vaf
          And you might think that this is not so right now?

          Good evening, Sergey! I’m talking about demonstrations when in all cities, everything is complete, all streets are closed, with flags, banners, slogans, though with songs, harmonica, dances
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +4
            April 13 2013 18: 54
            Quote: Bort Radist
            I’m talking about demonstrations when in all cities, everything is complete, all streets are closed, with flags, banners, slogans, though with songs, harmonica, dances


            Hi Boris! Yes, this is understandable, I just answered more aviamed90, but his post is "harsh", and yours .. and you can joke, but I already see one drawback that the joke did not work out, I am getting old recourse

            Well, once again, for the GDP (the answer to your post), I don’t know, one by one or not (with flags, banners, slogans, with songs, etc.) but a lot .... it's me about the same .. . Demos + wink drinks

            1. +6
              April 13 2013 19: 29
              Quote: vaf
              it's me about the ... demos +

              Yes, this is in Moscow, our capital, and here in Siberia, people in their free time fishing, hunting with friends or so long forgotten in the European part - according to women fellow good drinks
              1. 0
                April 13 2013 20: 37
                "or such a long forgotten in the European part - for women" - Babsleut all! fool
            2. 0
              April 13 2013 21: 38
              VAF

              Yes, no time to hang a decent avatar.
        2. +2
          April 13 2013 19: 41
          Quote: vaf
          And you might think that we are not right now? Well ... who doesn't "love" the Great and Almighty here?

          Judging by your mood, you, vaf ...
        3. 0
          April 13 2013 21: 23
          I respect you as a connoisseur of aviation, but nevertheless, the irony here is probably inappropriate
      2. +29
        April 13 2013 18: 47
        Quote: Bort Radist
        Now many want to return those times.

        Are we afraid of Stalin? Yes, yes, a thousand times yes!
        Indeed, under Stalin there was only TERROR and HORROR!
        Nothing but terror and horror.

        There were no explosions of houses and the subway.
        There were no killed schoolchildren on the lineup on September 1.
        There were no soldiers tortured to death in the barracks.
        And there were no commanders selling them outside the gates of a part for sexual services to wealthy clients.
        There was no theft by “subjects of federations”, regions, cities, factories, oil rigs, power plants and coal mines.
        There was no problem in recognizing their nationality, whatever it was.
        There were no soft sentences for rapists and murderers of children.
        There were no oversweet children with sexually transmitted diseases selling themselves at a station or in a doorway for a dose.
        There were no social networks with child pornography.
        There were no books in which schoolchildren eat their teacher's feces.
        There were no Chekhov? Three sisters? with oral sex on stage.
        There were no silicone breasts or genital piercings needed to take place as an individual.
        Rubber phalluses were not in use (except for those found during a search at Berry).
        There were no glass vials for conception of children only because men wanted to mate only with men, and women only with women.
        There were no lubricants, antidepressants, targeted grants; transition economies; flavor enhancers, sweeteners, thickeners, viewers; raiders and riders; dealers, killers and promoters; emulsifiers, tenants, schemers; trends, brands, exchanges, roofs, trash, caches; exclusivity, elitism, cult and sign, after parties, installations and biennials, pubic trimming, glamor and Wi-IP, aperitifs, digestifs and suggestions, advertising pads, tampons, yoghurts; brunches, lunches, hot dogs, big maki, club sandwiches, megamalls, baby dollars and pis-favors; touch screens, stabilization funds, offshores, summits and sodomites; kidnaping, clearing, consolidation, Internet banking, holding, shopping, push-ups, credit iPhones, electric waffle irons, sedans, estates and estates with serfs.
        In general, there were not all those wonderful, tolerant, and politically correct ones; basic and defining things that are so important to us, modern, harmonious, enlightened and self-respecting people.

        How can we want Stalin?
        1. +3
          April 13 2013 19: 17
          Yes, you are right, Vadim, a thousand times! But there was another, I captured those sixties. Were curled up, there was pornography. In Novocherkassk, workers were enraged with fat, and they were shot for it? and no one sniffed cocaine? Everything is complicated and sometimes I really want to return 37 years.
          1. +6
            April 13 2013 20: 35
            Quote: Bort Radist
            I captured those sixties. They were curled,


            Hi Boris, I captured the seventies from the negative. I can recall rampant petty theft and mass fights with other people's areas, the most common article was 206 - hooligan
            1. +2
              April 14 2013 06: 28
              Quote: Vadivak
              I can remember the general petty theft

              Maternity leave for women was 112 days, although mothers before the age of one year had time for feeding 30 minutes, after 3 hours of work. The most common breakfast was - sunflower oil on a saucer, salt and dunk brown bread. This in Siberia in Moscow is probably different. Seventies and the district to the district, God forbid, in a stranger and one flew, a trifle shake and snot, as they said then. The salt varnish was added, shaken, the alcohol was drained. Shoe cream was spread on bread, cut with a knife, and the soaked piece was eaten. I’m not talking about how bad it was, but about the fact that many talk only about the pros, and introduce the iron discipline howling.
        2. -4
          April 13 2013 21: 40
          Yes, everything was great. There were no drugs, so the Chekists dabbled in marathon, and party members. There was no gomosyatiny, yes, there was pederasty, from which, for example, the People's Commissar Yezhov was quite officially treated, i.e. this was normal. There were no pedophiles, only the headman Kalinin raped young girls as long as he was capable, but Stalin closed his eyes to this, so it must be so. Anyway, Stalin never condemned sexual debauchery, as they say, he said, "Are we going to envy?" There were no iPhones and other rubbish, but there was a piece of cloth to buy for happiness. There were no teenagers, what the fuck are teenagers, from the age of 14 they were forced into a FZU for escaping from which 6 months. imprisonment, and in FZU the norms are almost like that of an adult, you will not be deprived of rations, and after FZU, distribution to the factory that is said to fail to appear will entail criminal liability. Living in a barrack, being afraid to be late for work, because delay by 20 minutes to 4 months. imprisonment. And on the collective farm, too, a happy childhood, work for workdays and the law on three spikelets, you can't go anywhere, there is no passport. Happy life ...
          1. Thoroughbred
            -9
            April 13 2013 21: 42
            Scoop, dear.
          2. crest 57
            0
            April 13 2013 23: 22
            Everything that you have listed, when and from whom did you learn it? Probably in the last twenty years from the "democratic" media?
      3. +2
        April 13 2013 19: 40
        Quote: Bort Radist
        About 50 years ago, we also loved the grandfather of Lenin and the Father of all nations. Now many want to return those times.

        Not certainly in that way. Much of the good that was in those days should have been returned, yes, but it will not work twice to enter the same river.
        1. 0
          April 13 2013 19: 52
          Quote: Nick
          yes, but it’s impossible to enter the same river twice.

          Yes, at least from the same shore,
  6. +3
    April 13 2013 15: 58
    It's time to bring down the DPRK! It’s a joke, but there is some joke in it. But to prevent the Amers from playing a game in the Far East - that would be true. Wait and see ... Personally, I do not need a polluted atmosphere there. Although I live far away, but this is my country. I mean a big splinter of my country.
  7. fenix57
    +3
    April 13 2013 15: 59
    , The first part of the article that the DPRK is a paradise in Southeast Asia.
    And personally, as a resident of Primorye, even nuclear infection, you know, worries me.
    The fact that amers have horned muzzles is understandable, but the whole thing started after February 12 (underground nuclear explosion). And now the question arises why the DPRK made this explosion, knowing in advance the reaction of the UN Security Council. That is, they do not give a damn about the UN (I do not blame it) or "play along" the Sshastam - there are such versions from analysts. Although in the current situation, this is the same thing. hi
    1. +4
      April 13 2013 18: 21
      I am also bothered by this question, why make the whole world community angry with these explosions, there is a resolution not to blow up, do it without sinning, do not return the world to the era of nuclear threat. Plus, this is a terrible idolatry of a young and not very smart (judging by the actions) dictator, at the level of a banana republic. But I still respect the author, I understand his desire to contribute to the damping of the situation, aware of his past achievements, moreover, I would like to see him as the president of our country ... But as for the DPRK, I still have a dissenting opinion and it is not in her favor.
      1. +2
        April 13 2013 18: 29
        By the way, dear interlocutors, maybe someone was there at the moment, can tell from the original source how so what. And then read and see a couple of gigs video -one, but to hear from a friend of mine, let him even on the site (there we figure out what to believe or how) -other. What do they eat, what are they sleeping on, what is their working day, on what kind of cars do they drive, and are there any at all? At what height do the legs lift in the parade laughing
        1. Misantrop
          +2
          April 13 2013 18: 57
          Quote: almost demobilized
          can tell from the source how so what.
          Once on the net I got interesting notes on North Korea. I read it with pleasure. http://yarportal.ru/topic29170.html
          1. 0
            April 14 2013 05: 41
            Misantrop
            Thanks for the reference, read and strengthened my opinion. In fact, there are no cars, no mobile phones, girls with eggs, sad and hungry. And at the expense of repression, Beria nervously smokes on the sidelines.
  8. +4
    April 13 2013 16: 07
    Madhouse complete! This region is important and interesting to Americans across the ocean, and we just threw a neighbor, obeying the sanctions that the amers put forward. Why are we selling all our friends !? Let not friendship to kisses in the gums, so let there be interest in each other. Probably it would be superfluous for us if the UK was on the side of Russia? And so everywhere ... Cuba, Libya, Vietnam, now Syria.
    1. Kaa
      +4
      April 13 2013 18: 00
      Quote: ochakow703
      Probably it would be superfluous for us if the UK was on the side of Russia?
      "With a population of 22,5 million people (2004 data), the country's army numbers 847 thousand people. There are about 4 million people in the reserve. The ground forces are armed with: 31 launchers of tactical missiles, 21 launchers of operational-tactical missiles , 2770 medium tanks (T-54 / -55 / -62, Ture-59), about 730 T-34 tanks, 560 PT-76 and M-1985 light tanks, 2440 armored combat vehicles, 12,7 thousand field guns artillery and mortars, almost 1,1 thousand multiple launch rocket systems, about 2 thousand launchers. The Air Force's fleet includes: a total of 1158 aircraft, including 646 combat aircraft. It consists of 80 bombers N-5 (Il-28), 50 fighter-bombers Su-7, Su-25, 421 fighter J-5 (MiG-17), J-6 (MiG-21), etc. The Navy has missile ships (URO frigates), destroyers, small anti-submarine ships, diesel torpedo submarines, small and midget submarines, tank landing ships, missile and torpedo boats, othersships and vessels. The Navy is armed with anti-ship missiles of the "ship-to-ship" class of the "Styx" type, coastal artillery guns of caliber 122, 130, 152-mm. Rough estimates of many experts say that the DPRK is armed with tactical missiles "Luna" with a reach of 55 km and "Luna-M" - 70 km, as well as operational-tactical missiles "Scud-V / S" - 300 km, " Nodon-1 "- 550-600 km," Tepkhodon "- 1500 km and" Tepkhodon-2 "- up to 7000 km. Presumably, the DPRK has 50-200 Nodong missiles 1 and 500-600 Scud missiles 2. To date, after testing a nuclear warhead with a capacity of 5-10 kilotons, the country presumably has 6 nuclear charges. Since the mid-90s, Pyongyang has almost completely satisfied the needs of its army in artillery and small arms, individual weapons and military equipment. Self-propelled artillery mounts of the M-1975 / -1977 / -1978 / -1981 / -1985 / -1989 / -1991 type are produced at Korean enterprises. The production of the Chonmaho tank and the M-1973 armored personnel carrier was launched on the basis of Soviet models. Mig-29 fighters, spare parts for Mig-21 / -23 / -29, Su-25 aircraft are produced under a Soviet license. According to expert data, within a year, rocketry enterprises can produce up to 100 Scud V / S missiles, which allows them to be exported to other countries. Most of the navy's naval personnel are built at North Korean shipyards. Military-political analysis of the state of combat power of North Korea is significantly complicated by the fact that this country is one of the most closed in the world. Therefore, some of the data is of an expert nature, but even from the available information, we can confidently judge that a powerful, nuclear-armed army has been created in a practically impoverished country, which no one can underestimate. http://www.tsiganok.ru/publications/esmi/doc/494
      1. Rustiger
        +3
        April 13 2013 23: 34
        Quote: Kaa
        Therefore, some of the data is expert in nature, but according to the available information, it can be confidently judged that a powerful army equipped with nuclear weapons has been created in a poor country, and no one can underestimate it.

        I do not scoff at proud Koreans, but treat with understanding and respect.
        But in your list there is not enough of another very secret fleet unit. I myself am naval, but then I confess, I caught a wedge. . .
        Specialists, we start a warm-up in wit (not maliciously, please, but sparklingly).
        Check out the latest nuclear-powered harpoon weapons. And a man with a square-shaped apparatus in the middle provides a force field for protection against missiles, as in the movie "sea battle" among the stray bad guys -
        Quote from the cartoon - "Goodbye wife, Japan - hello and goodbye!"
        / click to enlarge /
    2. djon3volta
      +1
      April 13 2013 18: 36
      Quote: ochakow703
      and we just threw a neighbor

      read the Far Eastern and Amur press more often. These regions of Russia help the North Koreans with a little food, delegations and officials travel to each other to exchange experiences in agriculture and mechanical engineering. It's just that this news is not so important, so they are not covered at the federal level.
      and we have a good thread with Cuba, Syria, Vietnam. Recently, the AN-140 Russian assembly was delivered to Cuba. Well, I agree with Libya ..
  9. +4
    April 13 2013 16: 09
    Well, who said there that the DPRK is not capable of anything and that many will surrender if the amers enter there their ass will be torn apart and their teeth broken !!! am angry am
    1. Thoroughbred
      -5
      April 13 2013 20: 38
      What, excuse me, will they tear it apart? Ten killed T-62, or IL-28?
      1. +5
        April 14 2013 00: 01
        Quote: Purebred
        What, excuse me, will they tear it apart? Ten killed T-62, or IL-28

        I disagree! The main thing in technology is People! And if the motivation is serious (to survive, probably serious), people for their homeland and using outdated technology to smash the foe will be robust! Behind the shoulders of the North Korean soldiers is their homeland, relatives and friends! And what will the Amers fight for? Like "Hooray, for Obama, for a hundred dollars !!!" Seriously, p_endos this war will be such a hassle, the Vietnamese company is resting ...
        1. Thoroughbred
          -5
          April 14 2013 00: 11
          I’ll look at these people when another Maverick flies into them or they will be caught in the Apache forest with a thermal imager.
          1. +3
            April 14 2013 00: 38
            Quote: Purebred
            Apache with a thermal imager.

            I would not envy Apache. The thermal imager will not help if at the same time two dozen DShKs are scattered across it! Simple and effective! Cheap and primitive! Well, this Apache will have time to hit two machine-gun points, but what will the rest do with it?
            And yet, North Korea has a huge number of multiple launch rocket systems. Different sizes and calibers. Plus barrel artillery. Amer may be hastened by such a sea of ​​fire, but the South Koreans, if they grab it to the fullest, both for themselves and for the overseas guy!
            1. Thoroughbred
              -2
              April 14 2013 00: 40
              All major threats will be delivered ahead of time by the A-10S and Su-34, and only then helicopters will go. MLRS are also immediately calculated from the air, they are visible at a glance.
            2. Warchief
              -1
              April 14 2013 00: 40
              And where did you get the idea that Apache will generally enter the affected area? AGM-114 flew in from behind the woods from behind the mountains and roasted Korean meat arrived in the blood of the gut.
              1. Thoroughbred
                -3
                April 14 2013 00: 51
                You know what "loin" is? That's the same!
  10. Rustiger
    +7
    April 13 2013 16: 13
    The author of a huge RESPECT!
    And our media are indelible disgrace for covering the situation in the DPRK in such, to put it mildly, dishonest way. Well at least tyrnet enlightens. From which I recently learned that it turns out to be in North Korea in 2008, they put on the assembly line production TABLET COMPUTERS. OUR !!! FROM ITS (almost) DETAILS !!!
    Of course, the fact and prom. espionage, and "gratuitous" help from the southerners or someone else, but a country living for 60 years in isolation, in fact, has overtaken many giants in development. Russia has so far mastered only the assembly, all the computers. imports a complete set, at best. And basically collects in blocks.
    I know what I'm saying, often I have to hold components in my hands. They are Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, even new processors on the last 2011 sockets, manufactured by Costa Rica (now I myself work under such conditions).
    So do it. conclusions who develops and who draws resources. Well, how not to fuss like that. . .
    1. Rustiger
      +3
      April 13 2013 16: 22
      Who cares about the lively Russian syllable and inimitable images. Please, Alexandr Andreich, to the microphone -

      Hold on, comrade Kim Jong-un!

      Another point on the world map is white-hot, ready to become a drop of fiery plasma, splash in all directions, turn into a global nuclear explosion. The nuclear forces of America and China, the young nuclear missile force of North Korea, the military capabilities of South Korea and Japan are involved in this deadly whirl. And close, too close is Russia to this infernal whirlwind.
      The armies of the countries mentioned are on alert. Missiles are targeted, propagandists are calling for war. Political machines reared up and scraped each other with steel claws. Whether there will be a war or not, the president and general staff do not know this. Conflict neuralgia is almost uncontrollable. One more step, and the psychic energy of hatred will unite with the energy of nuclear charges, and will blaze throughout the earth.
      North Korea is a unique country: a warrior country, a Stoic country, an unshakable hero country, for which the highest values ​​are independence and freedom, the inviolability of the path that the people once chose. And under bombs, slander, amid fierce threats and merciless propaganda of enemies, he built his amazing civilization, his red world, his precious crystal, which shimmers with thousands of faces that have already faded and faded on other continents. North Korea stores the gene of the world process that broke out at the beginning of the twentieth century since the October Revolution in Russia. He hoisted the red banner over the Reichstag, flew into space, painted the scarlet color of the world map two-thirds.
      The undefiled gene of communism lives in North Korea. The mission of North Korea, delegated to it by the rest of humanity, is to not succumb to pressure, not to flatten, not to turn into Jewish plasticine, which is inept and will flow into the gigantic slimy puddle that America is turning other countries and continents into. North Korea is struggling with the entropy of the world, defeating the heat death of humanity. It creates a crossroads where humanity is given a different choice, a different unique path. This is precisely the reason for the conflict, and this is what prompts America and its satellites to launch missiles at North Korea, move aircraft carriers to its shores, and hang orbital groups over its territory.

      . . . . .
    2. Rustiger
      +4
      April 13 2013 16: 24
      Continued -

      A single, organized people, the army - his beloved brainchild, a first-class military industry - the fruit of many years of work and a nuclear missile system - the great result of the vigorous work of North Korean scientists and engineers. They showed the corrupted world, mired in vices and consumption, what a small, brilliantly organized people capable of, having a party and leaders, believing in a radiant star of a victorious future, is capable of.
      Today, when propaganda bombs explode over North Korea, when foreign diplomatic missions leave the country, when America moved its monstrous force to the Korean Peninsula, a plenary meeting of the Central Committee of the Labor Party of Korea was held in Pyongyang. It adopted a new strategic course: to simultaneously develop economic and nuclear construction. Respect the unity of the people, party and army, swear allegiance to the young leader - Comrade Kim Jong-un.
      Russia hears cannonade destroying Syrian cities, turning the Middle East into a source of global war. Hears the drone behind the stern of American aircraft carriers turning the Far East into a nuclear war. Russian pacifists who live off American money in countless nonprofit organizations continue to argue that Russia has no enemies and is not in any danger. That a country between three oceans, surrounded by foreign armies, mighty civilizations, can sleep peacefully, suck beer, laugh at the Comedy Club jokes.
      Russians, be afraid to believe in this lie. Russians, be afraid to fall into this jaws. The jerk that overcomes the twenty-year lag in the arms sphere is still relevant for Russia. The idea of ​​a strong army, a single country, national defense and the Russian Victory is still relevant.
      Comrade soldiers and sailors, sergeants and officers, generals and admirals, Comrade Supreme Commander! Put your arsenals on alert. Check the engines of the tanks, satellites satellites of the orbital groups, the flight time of tactical and strategic missiles.
      Comrade Kim Jong-un, do you want to know what Russian statesmen think about the events on the Korean peninsula? Invite Izborsk Club to the 38th parallel. We will hold our meeting under the sights of South Korean snipers.


      / April 11, 2013 Alexander Prokhanov /
    3. +1
      April 13 2013 17: 54
      What do you want from our media?
      Do you often see news about Syria on TV?
    4. Anti
      +3
      April 13 2013 18: 30
      Quote: Rustiger
      They are Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, even new processors on the last 2011 sockets, manufactured by Costa Rica (now I myself work under such conditions).
      So do it. conclusions who develops and who draws resources. Well, how not to fuss like that. . .


      Do not confuse, the countries you have listed, just collect these components, since there is cheap labor. But have you heard about domestic processors? Such as Elbrus and Multiclet. Accustomed to everything, his own and his own to lower and praise someone else's.
      1. Rustiger
        +3
        April 14 2013 08: 38
        Quote: Anti
        Anti

        About "cheap slave. Power" - that's understandable. Is it expensive in Russia? More expensive than in Japan or Europe?
        The production of high-tech products such as proces is a complete cycle. In addition to the production of semiconductor crystals. They are produced by no more than a dozen firms on the planet. Two (?) In Russia, but who saw the microcircuit for a wide consumer, made with us. Everything is piecewise and very expensive, not every research institute can afford them.

        Quote: Anti
        Accustomed to everything, his own and his own to lower and praise someone else's.


        I began to "praise" not someone else's, but Koreans, with their chuch-he ideas, relying on my own strength and ability to survive in a hostile world to them. And even if it is "hungry", it turns out. Here is someone we take an example with our (folk laughing property). Well, they do not bend under the globalists. No way. We closed ourselves and are ready to defend their values. Doesn't it remind the USSR in the era of the "Iron Curtain"? We then bought into chicken legs, and now we drain resources for our own crab meat and Swiss bruliks. I should be proud of that. Everything else is in the article and above. ... ...

        I go to Honda Sirvik (for 1.3 rubles), but I try to maintain my father’s old UAZ in a combat-ready condition. Give me the opportunity to buy a car (for example, Tolyatinskoe) with similar characteristics, easily change seats. This also applies to household appliances, etc. . .
  11. +4
    April 13 2013 16: 18
    Quote: VashEstambid
    Cave no, but beggar yes. The US and the EU send humanitarian aid to them every year, but they won’t even say thank you !!


    in 90 they sent us humanitarian aid too ...
  12. +4
    April 13 2013 16: 26
    Actually this is from the same story that happened with Libya !!
    There was unemployment benefits more than many in the country do not get paid.
    Yes, they are greatly mistaken in ideological terms, but sometimes I myself am ready to be so mistaken ........ remembering our modern "free" medicine, "free" education, etc.
  13. +3
    April 13 2013 17: 01
    Quote: Bad
    in 90 they sent us humanitarian aid too ...

    A huge part of which was immediately stolen or went to various so-called "commercial structures" and sold through stalls. Business, his mother ...
  14. sibircat
    +2
    April 13 2013 17: 15
    There was a group of students from North Korea at the university I studied. They all wore Kim Il Sung's badges on their chests, somewhat similar to our October badges. We decided to stick, and one of ours was sent with a question to them: "Mao Dze Tung" - he asked, pointing to the badge with his finger. They shook their heads in unison, then realized that they were being played, and were very offended. We, of course, for this joke, poured in the most I do not want.
    But, in general, the guys were very decent, and studied better than many of ours!
  15. +3
    April 13 2013 17: 40
    I personally saw the North Korea’s Internet back in 1990. They’re not that cave-like. The truth is, if the general of the army went in crumpled shape, it was from a lack of irons and not from a caveman. Education and medicine are free, although the quality of the medicine is not very good the lack of modern medical devices, and in Russia now pensioners will envy. Ordinary pensioners. The author of their rights now (North Koreans) is used to annoy us. And promise Russia to cover them with your * umbrella * in the event of an unprovoked attack on them and the ears of the staff will immediately come out and you can’t hide these ears from the whole world.
  16. 0
    April 13 2013 17: 45
    Of course, I am in favor of supporting the DPRK. And the people there are hardworking and do not bend before amers. But do not go too far - "They were the ones who managed to create their medium-range missiles on an automobile chassis, which neither we nor the Americans could do. The North Koreans created their own tank, not much inferior to modern Russian tanks." I don’t remember our tracked missiles, but our mine missiles are only strategic. And from what resources and on the basis of what technologies did they develop super-tanks?
  17. +5
    April 13 2013 17: 52
    Hold on to the DPRK! I hope ours will change their minds and stop throwing friends to their fate ... They will give an order - we will move forward immediately!
  18. +3
    April 13 2013 17: 54
    I believe that it is necessary to support our small but devoted allies, and take it under wing, the United States is unlikely to turn up then, and South Korea will once again very well think whether it is worth scorching in the DPRK.
    1. Urkodav
      +2
      April 13 2013 18: 20
      That's right, zema! wink
    2. Thoroughbred
      -9
      April 13 2013 20: 11
      Who is our ally? DPRK? Are you kidding me? The same South Caucasus is armed with Russian weapons, for example. Who is better to support - them, or crazy dictators?
      1. 0
        April 14 2013 22: 13
        Quote: Purebred
        Who is better to support - them, or crazy dictators?
        IMHO ANYONE !!!! hi
  19. 0
    April 13 2013 17: 56
    It seems to me that the truth, as always in the middle!
  20. Gorchakov
    +7
    April 13 2013 18: 03
    Well done northerners ... !!! Sensible Russians are with you ... Hold on to the last, otherwise the Libyan scenario awaits you ... I completely agree with Ivashov ...
    1. +3
      April 13 2013 18: 19
      Quote: Gorchakov
      Well done northerners ... !!! Sensible Russians are with you ... Hold on to the last, otherwise the Libyan scenario awaits you ... I completely agree with Ivashov ...

      I subscribe to these words !!!
      1. Thoroughbred
        -4
        April 13 2013 20: 28
        Libyan script.

        Oh, Koreans will probably be fed though, no?
  21. +2
    April 13 2013 18: 07
    I’ll supplement sibircat The badges of the North Koreans with the image of Kim Il Sung have (in any case had previously) 7 different designs According to the degree of advancement on the party ladder. Accordingly and according to the degree of trust of the party and the state to the person who has the right to wear one or another badge
  22. Urkodav
    +3
    April 13 2013 18: 16
    At the moment, North Korea is a good neighbor, with an honest, hardworking people and one of the most powerful army on the planet. Everything else is pro-Western husk.
    Friendly neighbors should be appreciated! Russia has few.
  23. Fox
    +1
    April 13 2013 18: 16
    The media, of course, gamo ... but you read some comments, you feel sick. As if the "commentators" themselves lived in the UK or know where to find it on the map, talk with confidence about hunger, cave, stupidity ... and think with your head there is no reason to blame the mirror if the face is crooked.
  24. 0
    April 13 2013 18: 20
    It's time for us to really support North Korea
  25. +2
    April 13 2013 18: 29
    Ivashev, as always, laid out everything on the shelves Well done. Excellent comment!
    1. Thoroughbred
      +3
      April 13 2013 20: 02
      I completely agree. DPRK has reached impressive heights! In this photo you can clearly see what progress has been made in agriculture and the village. Abundance and prosperity! And the IL-28 is just with modernization!
    2. avt
      +5
      April 13 2013 20: 16
      Quote: antidot
      Ivashev, as always, laid out everything on the shelves Well done. Excellent comment!

      I share your delight laughing True, I could only read this ------ ,, They were the ones who managed to create their medium-range missiles on an automobile chassis, which neither we nor the Americans could do. The North Koreans have created their own tank, not much inferior to modern Russian tanks. "----- good laughing laughingI could not continue, but I believe that it is cleverly written.
      1. Thoroughbred
        -3
        April 13 2013 20: 19
        This kind of casts doubt on his "analyst" in general. Is not it so?
      2. +4
        April 13 2013 21: 41
        For some reason Ivashov forgot about the Pioneer medium-range complex belay
  26. Krasnoyarsk
    -7
    April 13 2013 18: 38
    Ivashev is more like an alcoholic with a squint. And the DPRK population is just biorobots with brainwashed, without will, and so on. Normal people would have long overthrown the Kimovs, for their regime is inhuman.
  27. princess
    0
    April 13 2013 18: 44
    Yes, we already got all the showdowns. Do not want to live peacefully kill each other and calm down
  28. +1
    April 13 2013 19: 08
    The article is excellent, everything is clearly written and clear, and in all this confrontation there are amers who are playing their cards, while the Koreans that the South are northern and the bargaining chip is rotten in their affairs, the Amers do not like the growing influence of neither the Chinese nor ours, etc.
  29. +3
    April 13 2013 19: 18
    Quote: VashEstambid
    In North Korea, we have established stable cliches that this is almost a cave country


    Cave no, but beggar yes. The US and the EU send humanitarian aid to them every year, but they won’t even say thank you !!

    It is the West that presents to the world what they are giving humanitarian aid, but in fact they bargain for the inhibition of certain industries by North Korea. States can only bomb for free, although even then they will say pay for democracy that they brought with their weapons. Where there are States, there is always and everywhere trouble for independent peoples. "If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then there is a high probability that it is a duck."
  30. Vtel
    +3
    April 13 2013 19: 19
    They are terribly afraid that liberal ideas may enter Korea.

    And rightly so. Liberals are a "plague" from which we still have to be treated and treated.
    1. Thoroughbred
      -2
      April 13 2013 20: 02
      Yes! There is no Stalin on them! Repression is good!
  31. Belogor
    +4
    April 13 2013 19: 21
    Just the DPRK does not want the fate of Iraq and Libya, and here it demonstrates what it can stand up for. And in the role of the 1st defender, let China be better. Russia is not enough for all those offended, it would be time to take into account historical experience, there were half-world friends, and where are they now?
    1. +2
      April 13 2013 23: 48
      were friends half the world and where are they now? They found more generous
      1. -1
        April 14 2013 19: 52
        They found more SMART and ORDERED and JUST, who did not betray their allies, did not destroy their country for the sake of the overseas uncle, did not spread their own people with reforms, did not give their land to thieves ... so that before there were many friends not because of money , but because of TRUTH and JUSTICE. And today's Russia has lost these values ​​...
  32. +2
    April 13 2013 19: 52
    A few comments on the article:

    to remind you that North Korea is a space power that launches satellites

    At the beginning of the 21st century, the launch of a single satellite into low Earth orbit is no longer a sign of a highly developed industry. Launching the simplest satellite companion became easier than building a passenger jet

    Another factor is the survival of this state.

    The survival of the Kim Jong Yrov / Eun regime is due solely to help from China.
    Beijing’s bestial position has an obvious logical explanation: China does not need a united Korea as an extra competitor in the world market.

    Remember that after the fall of the Soviet Union, Cuba and North Korea, which focused on economic cooperation with the USSR and the social camp, remained in isolation.

    I didn’t stay. DPRK is supported by China.

    The article by Leonid Ivashov is designed for younger students, pure populism and nothing more. Not a drop of serious analytics and the reflection of real sitation on the Korean Peninsula.

    A small moment - after the Korean War, in the northern part of the peninsula, which became the territory of the DPRK, almost all hydroelectric power stations remained. Hydroelectric power stations have become a symbol and pride of North Korea, the image of the hydroelectric power station is present on the country's coat of arms. 60 years passed - power generation in the DPRK remained unchanged. Electricity generation in South Korea exceeds the DPRK level by 20 times!
    1. postman
      +3
      April 13 2013 20: 21
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      Small moment

      For such seditious thoughts, TO THE WALL OF YOU. FOR SIGNIFICANTLY. Yes
      =======================
      Not only China, but also the Russian Federation (more than $ 8 official debt only)
      24% of North Koreans employed in agriculture cannot feed 21 million inhabitants.
      7% of South Koreans employed in agricultural households feed 51 million of their own (+ up to 1,5 million foreigners who live there permanently) _ for export: fish, mushrooms, fruits, soybeans)
      In South Korea, one of the most developed shipbuilding industries in the world.
      ==========================
      This fat barchuk (S, Crown Emperor)
      EATING FOR ANOTHER'S ACCOUNT (480 000 tons of food) and scares the whole world .. Ya. Dubinka.
      Destroy - definitely
      (Threat I do not need a little stick)
      1. +4
        April 13 2013 21: 07
        Quote: Postman
        Destroy - definitely

        The Japanese spy, the Postman, is inciting the working people of the whole world to reprisal the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the only country steadfastly fighting against rotten American imperialism.

        Postman's provocative speeches about the amount of soy and mushrooms grown have nothing to do with reality. Pro-American propaganda is powerless in its lies - the main rebuttal of talk about hunger in the DPRK is well-fed muzzle (censored) physiognomy of a successful young North Korean leader!

        Hands off from the DPRK !!!
        Prick Comrade to the postman !!!
        Quote: Postman
        This fat velvet

        He is not fat. The legally elected leader of North Korea, chairman Kim Jong-un, has a metabolic disorder in the body.
        I dare to assure the public that this does not in any way affect the brain activity of the young successful leader of North Korea. The guy achieved everything himself and will promise more than once to "burn the whole world in a nuclear flame"
        1. postman
          0
          April 14 2013 00: 06
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Japanese spy postman incites

          First: NOT JAPANESE
          Secondly: you can answer for defamation under the Criminal Code (ask Smirnov, he’s an expert), I’ll bring a note to the police department, then you will sing differently.
          Thirdly, try to give me a reasoned answer, WHY DO WE (USSR, RF) have all the "friends", "partners" are somehow softer, with a smell.
          Hitler (will begin now), Polpot (hammered 1 citizens with hoes), Nelson Mandeila (cannibal or his cannibal's wife). Arafat, who Yasser, TERORIST No. 500, was another in Africa (I don’t remember his name), loved the human fingers, Hussein, the one from Iran, Papa Assad (Christian schoolgirls were raped and their front teeth knocked out by him) .. . and so on and so forth (cited only the most odious.
          At a glance, the decent only one comes, Fidel, and yes, Louis Carvalan also, it seems)
          ??????????????????
          The argument that the United States has the same shit is not rolling. To me in the USA, by the drum.
          ?
          1. 0
            April 14 2013 00: 41
            Quote: Postman
            First: NOT JAPANESE

            Dual CIA agent and Mossad
            Quote: Postman
            I’ll bring a certificate to the police department, then you will sing differently

            I will bring another help

            Quote: Postman
            Thirdly, try to give me a reasoned answer, WHY DO WE (USSR, RF) have all the "friends", "partners" are somehow softer, with a smell.

            Because we are for world peace.
            Quote: Postman
            there was another one in Africa (I don’t remember the name) -love of the fried human fingers,

            Emperor Bokassa))

            Berserk Hugo, Great Helmsman Mao, and of course

            His Excellency Life-President, Field Marshal Al-Haji Doctor Go amine, Lord of all animals on earth and fish in the sea, Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in general and in Uganda in particular, Knight of the Order of the “Victoria Cross”, “Military Cross” and the Order “For Military Merit” (for the mistake made when using the name Idi Amin tribesmen paid their lives)

            He considered Adolf Hitler his teacher and idol, and even intended to erect a monument to the Fuhrer, but was stopped by the Soviet Union, which, although supporting Amin, was still more likely to be shocked by him.

            He declared war on the United States in order to call himself the winner the next day.

            He was not opposed to bite a little man and treat her dear guests. He said that the human meat is very salty in taste.

            Quote: Postman
            The argument that the US has the same shit

            Freedom Angela Davis!
          2. +1
            April 14 2013 00: 54
            Quote: Postman

            First: NOT JAPANESE

            Yeah, that the Japanese do not agree, but for the spy does not mind! wink
            Rzhunemagu patstalom! Hitler and Polpot are friends of the USSR laughing You still forgot to add Franco here and Augusto Pinochet!
            1. postman
              +1
              April 14 2013 03: 09
              Quote: AlNikolaich
              but for the spy does not mind!

              Japanese all in 1935-1941, then they shot him ...

              A spy, he's a scout, but in fact:

              Loan. in the XVIII century. out of it. lang., in which Spion <Italian. spione, old borrowing from germ. lang., the same root as it. spähen - "to track, to spy".


              Quote: AlNikolaich
              Rzhunemagu patstalom!

              is "patztalom" more comfortable?
              Quote: AlNikolaich
              Franco forgot to add and Augusto Pinochet

              With Franco and with Pinochet, there were NO agreements on friendship, mutual assistance, as well as economic ones.
              And we weren’t friends and we didn’t hold parades together and we didn’t train military specialists, well, etc.
              "Rip" a little more, maybe they will pour oats? feel
              /this is a joke/
    2. +1
      April 13 2013 23: 39
      about the hydroelectric station is curious.
      1. +2
        April 14 2013 01: 12
        Amazing A country with a power station on the emblem sits without light))
        1. avt
          +1
          April 14 2013 13: 24
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Amazing A country with a power station on its emblem sits without light)

          fool This is a light disguise! laughing laughing There really is one spot - this is the light in the window of the leader, he does not sleep at night, he thinks about the people. Not that you are oohlers.
          1. +2
            April 14 2013 16: 29
            Quote: avt
            This is a light disguise!

            country in stealth mode
            Quote: avt
            There really is one spot - this is the light in the window of the leader

            By the way, the border is clearly visible along the 38-th parallel. Neither one nor the other are stingy on the spotlights.
    3. +1
      April 14 2013 15: 10
      Oleg- China does not need a united Korea, as an extra competitor in the world market.
      A STRONG, UNITED KOREA with a powerful army, economy and science, with its own ideology, is not needed either by the Russian Federation, the United States or Japan ...
      1. 0
        April 14 2013 16: 30
        Quote: knn54
        A STRONG, UNITED KOREA with a powerful army, economy and science, with its own ideology, is not needed either by the Russian Federation, the United States or Japan ...

        On the one hand
        On the other hand, this is a good bandwagon in China.
  33. Ilyukha
    +3
    April 13 2013 19: 54
    And these dictators of Kim are talented. Zombie the whole nation so that the third generation reigns supreme in this fabulous kingdom of Juche's ideas.
    Stalin nervously smokes a pipe. The students greatly exceeded the teacher))
    1. itkul
      -3
      April 13 2013 21: 43
      Quote: Ilyukha
      And these dictators of Kim are talented. Zombie the whole nation so that the third generation reigns supreme


      So dictators are all like that, and Lukashenko drags the boy everywhere along with him, prepares a shift
  34. Thoroughbred
    +3
    April 13 2013 19: 55
    By the way, I’ll probably remind local schoolchildren what delicious and nutritious grass tastes:
    http://www.interfax.ru/world/txt.asp?id=258875

    http://bigpicture.ru/?p=213990

    You will of course say that this is Photoshop and that you have chosen the thinnest for filming, and that under "communism" life is sweet.
    1. Ilyukha
      +2
      April 13 2013 20: 01
      That's right. It would be good for these "romantics" to live, as in North Korea. The mind may increase.
      1. Thoroughbred
        0
        April 13 2013 20: 03
        Wait, they want to live under Stalin. Then already in the DPRK.
  35. Thoroughbred
    +1
    April 13 2013 19: 57
    This girl just tells us: "Thank you Ivashov. A competent article, you are right! This is the machinations of the State Department and American stamps!"



    1. +2
      April 13 2013 21: 09
      Quote: Purebred
      That girl just says to us: "Thank you Ivashov. A competent article, you are right! This is the machinations of the State Department and American stamps!"
      - So what? Yesterday I returned from a business trip by train, at the train station in Almaty I saw exactly the same homeless girl, asked me not to throw out a bottle of beer and give it to her - what does that prove, a mongrel? Well, Kazakhstan’s mud fields, listen? You think Ivashov’s a senile, damn it, consider it, although my opinion is that you are as far from Ivashov as the moon, so read another expert - Poor North Korea wants only one thing: to be left alone. All its demarches are methods of reflexive control, opposition to the subjects of conflict. In addition, one cannot but take into account that for almost 70 years they have been living in virtually wartime conditions, an external blockade. Naturally, nerves can pass.

      Korea itself is not the first to go anywhere. This is a very peaceful country. In the Korean ethnic mentality, there are completely no dogmatic grounds for aggressive behavior. The leaders of Korea are not at all. The external aggressiveness of the state, as can be shown on the basis of Lefebvre's theory of reflexive control, is a rational behavioral strategy of the weak.
      - This is Kovalev on a neighboring branch. Do you consider yourself smarter than them? I hasten to disappoint - I read your posts - the impression - you are squalor, but imagining yourself advanced and smart. I didn’t subtract anything clever from you, but criticizing without any reason and facts is very much welcome. Believe me. Go and learn.
      And what is your post about? Does this girl need to invade the DPRK? Believe me, there are a lot of such girls in train stations in Russia, because Russia is a more worthy target for an attack. Call for an attack on Russia, as long as you cite such girls as an argument for an attack.
      Quote: Ilyukha
      Now you will be declared an American spy)
      - is it about you, or something, a mongrel? laughing laughing Sorry for America if she has such spies laughing
      1. Thoroughbred
        -2
        April 13 2013 21: 11
        The horse understands that the DPRK is head over heels ... what can I talk about? Kazakhstan has nothing to do with it, just the DPRK itself is a homeless country.
        1. 0
          April 14 2013 17: 00
          Quote: Purebred
          just the DPRK itself is a homeless country.

          let me disagree with your definition of the DPRK as a homeless country. Look at the photo in the subject - clean and comfortable, it’s not at all the picture that the liberally directed media draw for us.
          The DPRK, it is the DPRK with precisely such behavior that the States need. And then, under what pretext would Russia deploy ships with missile defense and Aegis next to Russia and China? The DPRK provides an excellent occasion and an excellent excuse, all you need to do is to catch the fear on Kim Jong-un with the help of provocative exercises. Need DPRK and China for its reasons. Conclusion - while beneficial to global players, the DPRK will exist. And even for some time it will exist when there is no power left that is interested in the existence of the DPRK, due to the instinct of self-preservation.
          If the United States had such a heartache for the "poor and oppressed North Korean" people, they would have agreed with the North Korean leaders long ago to weaken the "shackles" of the regime. You can also loosen the shackles of the regime with the help of war. Just count the costs of amers in this case. Amer will be able to defeat the DPRK only by the widespread use of high-precision weapons (WTO), at all levels. Globally - with the help of "Tomahawks", on the sub-global - with operational-tactical missiles, on the local - with the use of Hellfire missiles. It is useless to fight without the WTO with the DPRK, they themselves will teach anyone you want to use conventional weapons. As a result - a dozen trillions into the pipe for the war with the DPRK. Yes, offer a trillion to Kim Jong-un, coupled with the abolition of all sanctions, and he will hold fair elections (although he himself will win and will win a good ten years, because social inertia is a tangible value, no weighty alternative policies will appear in the DPRK in ten years!) , and will even allow the population to some extent a private initiative, especially since China is also pressing on this topic on the DPRK. That is to say, freeing the "poor and oppressed" people of the DPRK will cost 10 times cheaper than declaring war! Conclusion - the States do not need this, the "poor and oppressed" people of the DPRK The States "care about the bulb", they have completely different goals, and they are completely inhuman!
      2. Ilyukha
        -2
        April 13 2013 21: 22
        Judging by your appeals to the participants, "mongrel", "squalor", etc. you are on the level of the station bum you mentioned. Go to your environment.
        1. 0
          April 14 2013 13: 27
          Quote: Ilyukha
          Judging by your appeals to the participants, "mongrel", "squalor", etc. you are on the level of the station bum you mentioned. Go to your environment.
          - I have the right when they give me outright bullshit - there and Misanthrope famously lower (or higher?) noticed. There will be no other treatment, do not wait. Until you provide more informed conclusions that the Kim Jong-un regime needs to be denied the right to exist. Podstavki with girls do not channel. And the fact that there is an interview with the Spaniard, which clearly states that everything is not so bad in the DPRK, moreover, there is no terrible social scourge in the form of drugs, is already sowing doubts about your adequacy, dearly. And therefore, I do not intend to talk with you in a different tone, and I will not. You still do not deserve this tone, but already present something laughing
    2. Misantrop
      +6
      April 14 2013 00: 39
      Quote: Purebred
      This girl just tells us: "Thank you Ivashov. A competent article, you are right! This is the machinations of the State Department and American stamps!"
      These are not cliches. This is a setup. It was especially touched how this tortured North Korean woman famously cuts into a tongue twister in English. Moreover, he answers without slowing down and without asking again. One question: "Which of the languages ​​is her native?" English or Korean? winked Or are they all in a multi-year blockade, all polyglots?
  36. Thoroughbred
    +2
    April 13 2013 20: 06
    By the way, about Ivashov's insanity about "It was they who managed to create their own medium-range missiles on a car chassis, which neither we nor the Americans could do" is generally without comment. And poplars are of the lower type. level than the current DPRK crafts?
    1. Ilyukha
      -2
      April 13 2013 20: 13
      Ivashov also believes in the presence of aliens and UFOs, read his snowstorm on this topic. Well, of course, the authorities are hiding it.
      The writing uncle is very (in the sense, he writes all the time), and, see, doctors are not allowed to see him.
      1. Thoroughbred
        0
        April 13 2013 20: 15
        Have you read Maxim Kalashnikov?
        1. Ilyukha
          0
          April 13 2013 20: 21
          Started. And closed. I can’t, education does not allow)
          1. Thoroughbred
            0
            April 13 2013 20: 23
            Sodomy is still the same. But I read it all the same. "Broken sword", sort of.
      2. +1
        April 14 2013 06: 04
        Quote: Ilyukha
        Ivashov also believes in the presence of aliens and UFOs, read his snowstorm on this subject

        What do you have against UFOs? Since they themselves have not seen then they are not? Off-topic, but I personally saw 2 times — in Monino near Moscow, all students of the Air Force Academy were staring for half an hour on a dumbbell that suddenly disappeared, and in Omsk in 1994-1995 I watched about the whole city. My father, the MIG-25 pilot, was personally accompanied ball when accelerating to the stratosphere, then this crap overtook him and almost vertically went up. I didn’t report on the radio, and after landing I went and reported to the regiment, they are friends, I was advised not to sing among others, or else they’ll be suspended from flights, and besides Moreover, he said that his father was not the only one in the regiment, but did not say his last name as his father did not ask.
        And you’re making a fool of Ivashov, it’s not good.
        I remembered:
        - "Do you see a gopher?"
        -"No"
        - "And I don't see, but he is!"
      3. Misantrop
        0
        April 14 2013 11: 11
        Quote: Ilyukha
        Ivashov also believes in the presence of aliens and UFOs
        That's right, no need to believe. And special intelligence departments, annually fixing REAL cases of contact with incomprehensible equipment and phenomena, close the fuck, parasites. And stones cannot fall from the sky, right the French academy laughing
  37. Ilyukha
    0
    April 13 2013 20: 07
    Now you will be declared an American spy)
  38. Thoroughbred
    +3
    April 13 2013 20: 13
    North Koreans created their own tank, not much inferior to modern Russian tanks.

    A complete paragraph is simple. Is it our T-62 hung with rubber-fabric panels that are flush with the T-90MS, or at least the ancient T-72B !?
    1. Ilyukha
      +3
      April 13 2013 20: 28
      Damn him, with this miracle tank. It’s dangerous when the atomic bomb is in the hands of a hereditary dictator.
      The whole world hopes that the crown red king is at least a little sane.
      1. Thoroughbred
        +1
        April 13 2013 20: 30
        They have not yet mastered the compact warhead, so they will not abandon it. Anyway, this is provided that the crap underground in a couple of kilotons was in fact an atomic explosion. They are bluffing, obviously.
        1. 0
          April 13 2013 20: 38
          You are an optimist however. Today, even Honduras is able to throw a 500 kg warhead not only to its close neighbors, but also to those who are far away.
          Although your opinion is useful as a sedative for the United States, Japan and South. Korea
          1. Thoroughbred
            +1
            April 13 2013 20: 40
            But they really haven't mastered the compact warhead yet. “Honduras” is in no way capable of this.
  39. +1
    April 13 2013 20: 14
    I liked the article.
    1. Thoroughbred
      -4
      April 13 2013 21: 15
      But what? Did you like the insanity of a stubborn drug addict?
      1. Ilyukha
        +1
        April 13 2013 21: 30
        Let the man like the article. Maybe he is a doctor, and he diagnosed the author)))
  40. +1
    April 13 2013 20: 22
    In the DPRK, the people are simple but proud. And their leader expresses the will of the people. Therefore, they are not victorious, as are Venezuela and Belarus.
    1. 0
      April 13 2013 20: 28
      What a bastard .. you minus quietly? Respond Judas.
      1. Thoroughbred
        +1
        April 13 2013 20: 31
        I did not minus, but you are wrong.
        1. 0
          April 13 2013 20: 44
          I am right because I have two higher military education, including the Academy and 30 years of service in the linear (non-staff) units, of which 5 years as a unit commander.
          1. Thoroughbred
            +2
            April 13 2013 20: 48
            No. You're not right.
          2. +4
            April 13 2013 21: 02
            Alas, my experience says that in order to pretend to the title, namely the "herald of the final truth" this is not enough.
            You are all the same in the discussion, and not the setting of tasks. Here everyone is equal ...
          3. 0
            April 14 2013 16: 25
            v539A
            Can you explain what "linear parts" are? Is it both a battleship of the line and a linear part-liner? I served not 30 but only 27,5 years, which is probably why I have not heard of such.
            Your phrase "I am right, because I have 2 higher educations" I will remember and pass on to children as an example of an irresistible argument.
  41. +6
    April 13 2013 20: 32
    The author is absolutely right, the North Koreans, unlike the southern ones, did not become lackeys of foreign invaders and without any foreign investments furnished them on all counts.
    As for economic difficulties, this is not the fault of the DPRK leadership, it is the fault of the villains who betrayed the USSR and Russia, it is the fault of the spotted Judas Gorbi and the drunk Beni Reltsyn.
    Introduce an embargo on food imports to Small Britain and after 3-4 months there, half of the population will die of hunger. Introduce an embargo on the import of energy into the USA and in 2-3 months half of the states will be left without electricity.
    1. Thoroughbred
      +1
      April 13 2013 20: 34
      Of course. With a bare backside, hungry, poor, they can’t establish electricity in 2013, but they did not become lackeys. Go to success, in short. The blank was launched into space.
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      0
      April 13 2013 20: 48
      North Koreans lackeys of China, South Korea overtakes the North in all respects by 40 years. Russia does not owe anything to the Koreans. In case of problems, the UK has food for several years to come, so they can organize almost everything at home without problems. In the event of an embargo, the states will begin to develop oil in Alaska, their nuclear energy is several times greater than the Russian one. De jure, both Korean governments are legal
      1. +1
        April 14 2013 12: 44
        Nonsense of a complete idiot.
        South Korea is not a state, but a branch of the USA, has nothing of its own.
        There is no food in the United Kingdom for several years ahead, the Germans in the Great Patriotic War nearly arranged a complete blockade of the island, they immediately introduced a distribution card system.
        If in Alaska it was economically profitable to produce oil, the Yusovites would have pumped everything out there long ago. And there will not be enough gas for a long time there.
        http://www.np-sr.ru/norem/information/foreignelectricity/#8
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%E4%E8%ED%E0%FF_%FD%ED%E5%F0%E3%E5%F2%E8%F7%E5%F
        1%EA%E0%FF_%F1%E8%F1%F2%E5%EC%E0_%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%E8
    3. Ilyukha
      0
      April 13 2013 20: 50
      Hitler already introduced the embargo on food imports to the UK in 1940. Submarines and aircraft. Even the lawns in Buckingham Palace were planted with potatoes. Nobody died out. And we were loaded with tanks and planes under Lend-Lease.
      1. +1
        April 15 2013 00: 03
        Quote: Ilyukha
        Even the lawns in Buckingham Palace were planted with potatoes. Nobody died out. And we were loaded with tanks and planes under Lend-Lease.
        - Give the facts that in these conditions of the German blockade, the English population was rich and their standard of living increased. Can you prove this fact? I will change the tone in this case if you can prove that you can live happily in the conditions of the blockade. By the way, prove this fact to elderly Leningraders as well, you will like their answer. Then follow to where the respected Leningraders point you.
  42. +4
    April 13 2013 20: 32
    Stamps are bad, but it is necessary / possible to idealize .... Leonid Grigoryevich in his repertoire.
    I don’t know how in the role of the President of the Russian Federation, but in the role of the representative of the Russian Federation at the North Atlantic Treaty Organization - this is the place to be remembered.

    I know that they will blame me, but I will express myself.
    With 24 million inhabitants and a nuclear baton, what kind of army is needed?
    More than a million, with the presence of a mobility reserve of about 8 lyam people (?!) Plus the probability of a nuclear baton ... In the DPRK? In a closed country? With a difficult terrain? Oh oh I think the real numbers are much higher. It is easier to subtract social groups that are not subject to appeal. Probably disabled and retired, although not a fact. A teenager shooting at the back of an occupier is a historical fact, not a movie stick.
    However, with regard to geography multiplied by the army and navy, the DPRK is not Libya or Iraq (and not even Israel). DPRK - Headache for invaders and excellent terrain for defenders and partisans. Given that they also dug up in the mountains of tunnels ... This is the Country-Fortress. (With the exception of rice fields, although ... who knows?)
    The territory of the state is predominantly mountainous, rugged by many valleys and ravines. Coastal lowlands are relatively large only in the western part of the country. There are many reserves, national parks, mountains, forests, rivers, waterfalls in the country.

    AmeriGanssy doesn’t go there even if the DPRK army is ten times smaller, but with the same weapons, and most importantly, the same ideology!

    There are historical parallels. Finns in 1939, militarily, the same were relatives of the USSR. Carl Gustav Emil Mannerheim - Lieutenant General of the Russian Imperial Army. In 1939 he gave me a light! Dzhokhar Musaevich Dudaev - Major General of Aviation, the only Chechen general in the Soviet Army. What he piled up in Grozny! Do you think the Americans would have done better than the feds? No problem! Mohammed Farah Aidid is a Somali military and political leader, self-proclaimed President of Somalia and the legendary "Battle of Mogadishu". Did any of the three mentioned have a nuclear club, or a Kalash + motivation? You can also mention the Vietnamese, with their holes in the ground.
    Conclusion: amers do not poke their head in the DPRK, being in their right mind and bright memory. And then there is the likelihood of a nuclear club looming.
    1. +4
      April 13 2013 20: 33
      But questions arise!
      If the DPRK is so "successful" in economic self-isolation, why are relations with an ideologically close China or a friendly Russian Federation so insufficiently built? I am already silent about the Union State a'la Russia-Belarus (the CES is simply fantastic). But the DPRK, at a certain point, had the beginnings of economic relations with the South, in the field of mechanical engineering. Now it seems suspended. As they say, their ideology would be Songun, but for the good of workers and peasants ... With their efficiency, Nokia and Samsung would have more competitors!
      Medicine, you say there is? ... oGa. They produce defibrillators and such sophisticated equipment themselves ... just like machines. I'm not talking about MRI technology (magnetic resonance imaging). And of course there are no problems with cancer patients, tuberculosis after the famine in the 90s. This is the DPRK! They all have cimus! And it cannot be otherwise. I will keep silent about the black market of medicines, which still need to be managed to "get" ...
      Education there? No question, honorable! Well, they have 60s technology, even in rocketry? China, so for a minute, Russia is on the heels, although it cannot repeat the engines for its Su columns, and the DPRK saves the resource of aircraft built in the 50s. So much for "education". Studying the "short course on the history of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks in Korean" is one thing, but when new types of equipment come into service, it is quite another. Why, if we have education, do we not equate with China? Do they have other laws of physics Kim hung up?
      They flew into space. Okay. However, if China "did not like MozH" and developed with the PRC, then in addition to the ISS, something comparable would be dangling in orbit. But that's not science fiction. Especially when for the sake of “such space” the whole country is sitting without light.
      What prevents Finland from being in the Cold War era or Belarus today (under the patronage of the PRC)? Or does someone think that someone will dare to offend our Old Man while there is a Union? However, Belarus has never been North Korea.
      What is the reason? Economic isolation? Juche Ideas? Or is it Songun politics?
      From an idealistic point of view, everything is emasculated there, as in other religions. But in fact?
      The guests on this site are still arguing about the advisability of a motley fleet "according to Gorshkov", or about the meaning of having 3 MBTs in service, because this undermines the country's economy. Omeriga's military budget is argued as an example of extravagance. They argue about Libya with Syria and mention Yugoslavia. They even argue about the inadmissibility of the legalization of CCW among ordinary mortals, because they are not fig (we are all heavy minds, we shoot ourselves). And at the same time they admire the political system that stopped in the Middle Ages!
      Is it just evil Omerige? Live there yourself? Not? I cannot understand your logic. You can't stand pedophiles in Holland, fascists in Latvia and morons in Georgia, and there are also "Ideological Patriots" there. And the DPRK, with their national flavor, is good and truly true! Where is the honesty? Or have we become like the Omerigans in everything and Eun became "our son of a bitch"? Just to harm everyone?
      Threat. Wits say women of the Reich, from Hitler's speeches - they experienced an orgasm. And you will not object, the patriot’s sparking, mLя.
      1. sibircat
        0
        April 13 2013 21: 20
        Stamps are bad, but it is necessary / possible to idealize .... Leonid Grigoryevich in his repertoire.

        I do not agree with all your arguments.
        However, plus! Since not many here, how do you substantively defend your point of view.
        1. 0
          April 13 2013 23: 10
          Thanks for your kind words. hi
  43. Ilyukha
    +7
    April 13 2013 20: 41
    Quote: v53993
    In the DPRK, the people are simple but proud. And their leader expresses the will of the people. Therefore, they are not victorious, as are Venezuela and Belarus.

    Well done, compared) Belarus and Venezuela are completely open countries, you can come and go freely.
    The DPRK is a prison in which for 60 years the doors have been locked, and the keys are in the Kim dynasty.
    A friend of mine, working at an aircraft engine repair plant, was on a business trip there, repairing TVZ-117 engines for Mi-8.
    They lived in a forest, in a dormitory. They drove to the airfield in a bus. There were no contacts with the local population at all, it was forbidden, he didn’t see them. He was there, but did not know anything about the country. In general, two months behind the fence and under guard . What else is not clear?
    1. 0
      April 13 2013 21: 49
      It means that he showed little interest! It was necessary at night to quietly stamp the keys to the barracks, where they lived, and watch the night life of the DPRK forward. This, by the way, is not banter, there is one journalist, he did so (in nete you can find his photo report with comments)
      1. Ilyukha
        0
        April 13 2013 22: 08
        He’s already a middle-aged man, he’s not interested in adventure. Besides, local people will see the European, they will surrender for sure.
        He repaired engines from Mi-8 for years in Africa, South America, India, he knows all countries.
        But he knows nothing about the DPRK, although he was. There he saw:
        1.Fence
        2. Convoy (introduced themselves as guides)
        3. The workshop at the airport
        4. A community in the forest.
        All
        1. +1
          April 13 2013 22: 31
          They didn’t even take them on excursions? Hard to believe (no offense). They, by the way, are very hospitable people, especially for those who help them
    2. +1
      April 15 2013 00: 25
      Quote: Ilyukha
      The DPRK is a prison in which for 60 years the doors have been locked, and the keys are in the Kim dynasty.
      - I’m not going in, so what does it matter to you that the DPRK is a prison? Although the very concept of "DPRK-prison" is in doubt. Here are links, read: http: //warfiles.ru/show-22727-grozit-li-golod-kndr.html
      and here: http://www.vz.ru/economy/2005/10/31/11353.html
      Well, do not get into the DPRK. As they mature before the reforms, they are being reformed. Whether they will follow the Chinese path of reform, whether Vietnamese or Singaporean, is a small matter for us. If they don’t go for reforms, it means they’re so good. Then we care less about them, let them be happy! What are you climbing if the North Korean people themselves are not asking for this? At least one athlete at the Olympics (meanwhile, the sport is very well set up, which already indicates that the sport industry itself is at the level and medicine - because without sports medicine there are no top sports achievements, so Dmitrich, you're wrong at all!) political asylum? No? What's the question? So, their LIFESTYLE IS COMPLETELY FACING! Then why the hell are you, Ilyukha, trying to justify US interference in the affairs of the DPRK? Provocative exercises in South Korea with the development of a preemptive strike, Libya, Yugoslavia, etc. quite rightly make the North Korean authorities nervous! And once again I ask - leave the DPRK alone - let it live as it wants, wants to live in a big prison - let it live like that!
      Surprisingly, I, not at all a Democrat by conviction, is much more democratic and more loyal to dissent and a different way of life than those who proudly call themselves "democrat" and "liberal" laughing Everything mixed up in the Oblonsky house!
  44. 0
    April 13 2013 20: 57
    By the way, men, there is one good site (or rather a blog) about the DPRK-go, read. Pretty entertaining reading, I tell you. Don’t count on objectivity, but people from their KGB are trying to show how they all fuck ... then. Read also comments after each article of our ghouls (and not only) - enjoy ------- www.juche-songun.livejournal.com
  45. Ilyukha
    +2
    April 13 2013 20: 58
    Quote: Krasnoyarets
    North Koreans lackeys of China, South Korea overtakes the North in all respects by 40 years. Russia does not owe anything to the Koreans. In case of problems, the UK has food for several years to come, so they can organize almost everything at home without problems. In the event of an embargo, the states will begin to develop oil in Alaska, their nuclear energy is several times greater than the Russian one. De jure, both Korean governments are legal

    You are right in everything except one thing. The North Koreans are not lackeys of China, but prisoners of a madhouse named after the Kim family.
  46. 0
    April 13 2013 21: 50
    North Korea has proven itself firmly on its feet, a fact confirmed by decades of both hot and cold wars. I believe that even if you die, then dying while standing is a great thing!
  47. Ilyukha
    +1
    April 13 2013 21: 53
    Quote: Krasnoyarets
    Ivashev is more like an alcoholic with a squint. And the DPRK population is just biorobots with brainwashed, without will, and so on. Normal people would have long overthrown the Kimovs, for their regime is inhuman.

    They do not know who such normal people are, they have never seen them. The country is 60 years old closed from the world. It’s like in a sect, around the devil, you have to save yourself, and Kim the Third is a living god.
    The poor people don’t know anything about the world. It’s not the child’s fault that his mother gave birth to him in prison ..
    1. Anti
      0
      April 13 2013 22: 07
      Quote: Ilyukha
      They don’t know who normal people are, they have never seen them.
    2. Anti
      0
      April 13 2013 22: 10
      Quote: Ilyukha
      They don’t know who normal people are, they have never seen them.


      Well, if it’s normal, then yes, it’s good that they have not seen, they will be cleaner.

      Loveland in jeju island korea

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EY7VP2rqNY&feature=player_embedded
      1. Thoroughbred
        -3
        April 13 2013 22: 13
        Ututyu is so bad, under Sralin this was not: D

        Phallic symbols are present in the hood. culture for millennia.
        1. Anti
          0
          April 13 2013 22: 22
          where does the symbol? shame in a word, Leberal recreation park, penetration of west to east wassat

          Everything is normal in the DPRK !!!!!!
          1. Thoroughbred
            -2
            April 13 2013 22: 30
            So, forum fighter, why are you using western goods? Go to the monastery, don’t look at porn, don’t use a mobile phone, sell your Ford Focus. Well, or go to the DPRK or Iran - there is totalitarianism.
            1. Anti
              0
              April 13 2013 22: 37
              That I am not a fighter, so the visitor is simple. And they’re Western, because they are all under us, and then we lost our positions, but soon everything will change, and if I look at the guy, it’s not in the recreation park winked
            2. Ilyukha
              0
              April 13 2013 22: 38
              Well, about Iran, I would not get excited)) Entry-exit by visa, but free, the economy is in order, Ahmadinejad is noisy at times, but does not want war. Inside the country, stability and a normal standard of living. American jeans are ideally wrong pants, but everyone wears them, including supposedly clogged women. No need to compare.
        2. Ilyukha
          +1
          April 13 2013 22: 23
          They think that there is justice from tyrants.
          Rabbits also think that they are cared for, fed there, amno cleaned. They simply do not know what they are bred to eat)))
          1. Anti
            +1
            April 13 2013 22: 28
            Quote: Ilyukha
            They think that there is justice from tyrants.


            This is a statist !!! And we were rabbits in the 90s.
            1. Thoroughbred
              -2
              April 13 2013 22: 33
              But you just crow on the forum, I give you a tooth, I don’t even have a portrait of Sralin at home.
              1. Anti
                +2
                April 13 2013 22: 40
                Yes, it’s you and comrade who crow. Stalin’s portrait, how could it be without it, so you’ll have to give a tooth wink
                1. Thoroughbred
                  -3
                  April 13 2013 22: 42
                  Yes, you went! Why do you need a Sralin portrait? Are you skipping a story?
                  1. Anti
                    0
                    April 13 2013 22: 44
                    How about a tooth ??? Himself or help needed?
                    1. Thoroughbred
                      0
                      April 13 2013 22: 46
                      I do not believe you. How about a portrait photo? I really don’t believe it.
                      1. Anti
                        0
                        April 13 2013 22: 54
                        Quote: Purebred
                        I do not believe you. How about a portrait photo? I really don’t believe it.


                        does not work request
                      2. Thoroughbred
                        0
                        April 13 2013 22: 56
                        Is it because the camera fails?
                      3. Anti
                        0
                        April 13 2013 22: 56
                        the second time I try, but not a fotik, the site doesn’t miss, and why the hell should I lie? sad
                      4. Thoroughbred
                        0
                        April 13 2013 22: 57
                        You can throw in a personal
                      5. Thoroughbred
                        -1
                        April 13 2013 23: 17
                        What is expected, you do not give a photo. So you are a forum unfounded cucaretic.
                      6. Anti
                        +1
                        April 13 2013 23: 21
                        A GYZLO? CHECK MAIL. GOT THE PHOTO?
                      7. Thoroughbred
                        +5
                        April 13 2013 23: 28
                        Yes. I admit it. Bazaar zero - wait a tooth in the mail. Already went for the hammer.
                      8. 0
                        April 14 2013 01: 15
                        Quote: Purebred
                        Yes. I admit it. Bazaar zero - wait a tooth in the mail. Already went for the hammer.

                        Well in! The kid said, the kid did! Respect and respect! good
    3. crest 57
      +1
      April 13 2013 23: 44
      In general, where are the normal people now? In Europe, America? What criteria determines normality?
      1. Anti
        0
        April 13 2013 23: 50
        Quote: crest 57
        In general, where are the normal people now?


        Yes, even if you are completely normal and resourceful smile

        sorry picture did not pass requestsite slows down or what?
  48. Ilyukha
    +4
    April 13 2013 21: 57
    Quote: Yrsh.2008
    North Korea has proven itself firmly on its feet, a fact confirmed by decades of both hot and cold wars. I believe that even if you die, then dying while standing is a great thing!

    So he himself is dying and standing. People are born to live.
    1. 0
      April 13 2013 22: 20
      Perhaps, in your opinion, it’s better to admit defeat and bend under the amers? And then on the list all the GOODS of democracy. And I don’t need about their hunger, they have been providing themselves for a bunch of years, if it weren’t for sanctions, believe me, half the world would now eating ecologically clean food from the DPRK. Believe me, I know what I'm saying
      1. Thoroughbred
        0
        April 13 2013 22: 22
        ate organic food from the DPRK

        For example, grass and bark. By the way, go to the monastery, huh?
        1. -1
          April 13 2013 22: 41
          I didn’t eat at Brudershaft. Observe subordination. Is there anything to be said on the subject? Or, just to fart?
          1. Thoroughbred
            0
            April 13 2013 22: 49
            Who the hell are you? What did you want to talk about?
            1. 0
              April 13 2013 22: 55
              You’re kind of muddy --- it’s not interesting to enter into disputes with you
              1. Thoroughbred
                0
                April 13 2013 22: 55
                So what did you want to grind about?
      2. Ilyukha
        +2
        April 13 2013 22: 48
        Why are they amers, what is there, is there oil?
        Relatives from the south want to live and work in one country.
        Rulers need borders to hold their power; people do not need them.
  49. +4
    April 13 2013 22: 23
    Quote: omsbon
    It seems to me that the truth, as always in the middle!

    And in this middle, as always, climbed "stars and stripes"
    1. Ilyukha
      +1
      April 13 2013 22: 31
      And they just didn’t fit in. Only here it happened that neither in a fairy tale to say, nor a pen to describe.
      South Korea lives in the middle of the 21st century, and North-wow ...
      Maybe it's not in America?
    2. Thoroughbred
      -3
      April 13 2013 22: 31
      Scoops, by the way, also supplied weapons to the aggressors from the DPRK.
  50. 0
    April 13 2013 22: 39
    I didn’t eat at Brudershaft. Observe subordination. Is there anything to be said on the subject? Or, just to fart?
    1. Thoroughbred
      -1
      April 13 2013 22: 43
      Are you writing this to me?
  51. polygraph
    +3
    April 13 2013 22: 56
    Quote: dmitreach
    Carl Gustav Emil Mannerheim - Lieutenant General of the Russian Imperial Army.

    Many army leaders from different countries had the school of the Tsarist Russian Army.
    Wladislav Anders - leader of the Polish troops in Africa and Italy - captain of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia.

    Voitsekhovsky, Sergei Nikolaevich general of the Russian army and the army of the Czechoslovak Republic.

    Zhukov, Rokosovsky, Malinovsky and many had a school for the army of the Russian Empire.
    1. Ilyukha
      0
      April 13 2013 23: 02
      And what does Ivashov have to do with his diatribe about the DPRK?
      Dont clear
      1. 0
        April 13 2013 23: 18
        Ilyukha, despite the fact that this is a response to my post above.
        polygraph, I cited them as an example, as military leaders with motivated subordinates, without nuclear weapons.
    2. +3
      April 14 2013 22: 44
      Quote: poligraf
      Wladislav Anders - leader of the Polish troops in Africa and Italy - captain of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia.

      He's a goat and a Polish pederast...
  52. fenix57
    +2
    April 13 2013 23: 11
    Quote: Vadivak
    I captured the seventies from the negative, I can remember the widespread petty theft and mass fights with foreign areas, the most common was Article 206 - hooliganism

    Golden times!.. crying
  53. Warchief
    -2
    April 13 2013 23: 20
    The article is complete nonsense, and the DPRK is a remnant of the Cold War. I can’t wait for the international coalition together with Russia to defeat these North Korean monkeys.
    1. Thoroughbred
      -1
      April 13 2013 23: 44
      I agree with you. The best option is for the Russian army to conduct a ground operation, and the Americans will carry out preliminary processing from the air. It all starts with a raid by B-2 Spirit bombers, inconspicuous for North Korean air defense.
      1. 0
        April 13 2013 23: 54
        What, are you ready to be the first to lead the attack? Or are you a forum fighter? You can answer in a private message - there’s no point in messing up here
        1. Thoroughbred
          -1
          April 13 2013 23: 59
          Yes, I'm ready. But I am not a professional contractor, because the main part of the operation to liberate North Korea from oppression will fall on their shoulders. A couple of US aircraft carrier groups and a dozen of our brigades will destroy the North Korean regiments in a short time.
          1. +1
            April 14 2013 00: 10
            Yes, you and your friends (from NATO) will simply be torn apart in a GROUND operation. Trust me, just as a human being. I’m not just saying that
            1. Thoroughbred
              0
              April 14 2013 00: 16
              Do you think that the NATO+Russia coalition will not tear up the DPRK tins from the 70s? They have 3.5 Il-28s on the wing, and a couple of worn-out Mig-29s.
          2. +1
            April 14 2013 00: 20
            I’ll give you a ruble for a hundred, your friends will have the guts to honestly meet them one on one, because they will throw South Korean meat into the furnace of war, and try to bomb them themselves - it’s impertinent on their part!
            1. Thoroughbred
              0
              April 14 2013 00: 25
              What if you iron them with JDAMs and FABs, then shoot the most violent ones with Apaches and Mi-28s, and then comb through the forests with special forces?
              1. 0
                April 14 2013 00: 33
                Try it - trying is not torture. But you still have to go down to the ground - Welcome!!!
                1. Thoroughbred
                  -1
                  April 14 2013 00: 35
                  So how will they fight us? Sapper blades?
                  1. +1
                    April 14 2013 00: 36
                    Check it out - you'll learn a lot
      2. +2
        April 14 2013 01: 23
        Quote: Purebred
        The best option is for the Russian army to carry out a ground operation, and the Americans will carry out preliminary processing from the air.

        Guys, are you completely lost!!!! What were you smoking???? Why... will the Russian army enter Korea, and even with mattress pads???
        What country do you live in? Where is your homeland? America or what??? negative
        1. Thoroughbred
          0
          April 14 2013 01: 29
          We actually wanted to send an airborne division to Desert Storm, but Yazov said, “Nigatovs.” What is the problem? Are you still going to fight with Nata? About the DPRK, these are just my wishes.
    2. Misantrop
      +1
      April 14 2013 00: 28
      Quote: Warchief
      North Korea is a remnant of the Cold War.
      Washington is exactly the same survivor of the same war, only more aggressive and dangerous. Maybe for the good of the planet, grind it with the same composition? The DPRK will be happy to join there too... lol
      1. Thoroughbred
        0
        April 14 2013 00: 32
        The point is that people don’t starve in the USA, or do you not feel sorry for the grass eaters? A military operation is needed.
        1. Anti
          0
          April 14 2013 01: 31
          Quote: Purebred
          A military operation is needed.


          Be careful or else...... laughing
  54. -1
    April 13 2013 23: 50
    You can get to know North Korea by partially plunging into the USSR.
  55. crest 57
    +1
    April 13 2013 23: 53
    Exactly! And so it will be with everyone who dares to have their own point of view on life and will resist the victorious steps of “democracy”. “Banzai” - or what should you shout in such cases?
    1. Thoroughbred
      -1
      April 14 2013 00: 02
      It is necessary to liberate the Koreans, and not allow them to starve under the yoke of a dictatorship.
      1. +2
        April 14 2013 00: 25
        Quote: Purebred
        It is necessary to liberate the Koreans, and not allow them to starve under the yoke of a dictatorship.

        Have Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya already been “liberated”? Well, well... K O Z L Y!!!
        1. Thoroughbred
          -1
          April 14 2013 00: 27
          Well, we have a different case. RUSSIAN soldiers will be greeted as liberators.
        2. Warchief
          -2
          April 14 2013 00: 28
          Iraq was liberated. Everything is fine in Iraq, except for the Sunni areas - such is the nature of the Sunni monkeys, they can’t help but bang. Iraqi Kurdistan is de facto independent.
          1. +2
            April 14 2013 01: 28
            Quote: Warchief
            Everything is fine in Iraq, except for the Sunni areas - such is the nature of Sunni monkeys, they can’t help but bang.

            Be careful with your expressions! (filter the market)! All Muslims in Russia are Sunnis! Aren't you afraid to answer for the monkeys?
  56. Warchief
    -2
    April 14 2013 00: 01
    Quote: Purebred
    in a short time the North Korean regiments will be destroyed

    To be more precise - in two hours. And not a dozen brigades, but one regiment.
    1. crest 57
      +2
      April 14 2013 00: 16
      Yes, in the recent past, someone Grozny also wanted to take it quickly. And because of such m...ringing, the boys paid for the integrity of Russia with blood.
      1. Thoroughbred
        0
        April 14 2013 00: 18
        You don’t take into account that everything will be planned here + a massive raid by our NATO coalition allies.
        1. +2
          April 14 2013 01: 33
          Quote: Purebred
          You don’t take into account that everything will be planned here + a massive raid by our NATO coalition allies

          We have no NATO allies! And a coalition with pendos is impossible in principle! Remove the Novodvorskaya icon from the wall! And stop eating mushrooms!
          1. Thoroughbred
            0
            April 14 2013 01: 35
            Why is a coalition impossible? Who told you?
  57. +2
    April 14 2013 00: 27
    Why do you think that Russia will fight with the Amers together?
    1. Thoroughbred
      0
      April 14 2013 00: 30
      Because it is more effective and will allow the DPRK to be liberated faster. Yes, and we would successfully work together with our Western partners. Remember, during Desert Storm they wanted to send an airborne division to help the coalition.
      1. +1
        April 14 2013 07: 06
        Quote: Purebred
        Because it is more effective and will allow the DPRK to be liberated faster. Yes, and we would successfully work together with our Western partners. Remember, during Desert Storm they wanted to send an airborne division to help the coalition.


        I think that our current leadership is MUCH wiser in this matter and will not “get dirty” in this way. We are not a “banana republic” to send our soldiers to the next American adventure.
        Moreover, the results of such an adventure are very vague...
  58. +1
    April 14 2013 00: 28
    Quote: Purebred
    What, excuse me, will they tear it apart? Ten killed T-62, or IL-28?

    In skillful hands you can tear something even worse!!
    1. Warchief
      -1
      April 14 2013 00: 30
      Where will the unteachable, narrow-eyed Untermenschs come from with skillful hands?
    2. Thoroughbred
      0
      April 14 2013 00: 33
      How do you think the MiG-29 will fight off the Su-35 or F-15S?
  59. +3
    April 14 2013 00: 33
    Quote: Warchief
    Where will the unteachable, narrow-eyed Untermenschs come from with skillful hands?

    From childhood they are encouraged to fight and survive, their minds are not poisoned by Western civilization, and they will fight not for citizenship and money, but for their own homeland!!
    1. Thoroughbred
      -1
      April 14 2013 00: 35
      But WHAT!? Bare hands?
    2. Warchief
      -1
      April 14 2013 00: 38
      Quote: Svatdevostator
      but for your own no matter what homeland!!

      Until the first hamburger. There will be transitions of entire units to the side of BLUEFOR with the purpose of simply devouring.
      1. Waterfall
        -1
        April 14 2013 00: 39
        A B-52 filled with fast food will be better than any JDAM and SDB.
      2. 0
        April 14 2013 01: 05
        Believe me, old man (sorry for being too familiar), they will fight. There’s a completely different mentality here
        1. Thoroughbred
          -1
          April 14 2013 01: 07
          Bite? Fight? Hardly.
      3. +1
        April 14 2013 01: 09
        Believe me, old man (sorry for being too familiar), they will fight. There’s a completely different mentality here
  60. +2
    April 14 2013 00: 40
    [quote=Pedigreed]But WHAT!? With bare hands?[/qu
    Well, at least they are not waiting for them there with spears laughing In Yugoslavia, a super Amerian stealth gun was destroyed by a missile from the 50s, thanks to the skillful actions of the commander!
    1. Thoroughbred
      0
      April 14 2013 01: 11
      Thanks to chance. Stealth never ceases to be stealth. In Iraq, the B-2s worked great.
      1. 0
        April 14 2013 01: 16
        Where are you broadcasting from? Are you a patriot of your homeland (which one)?
        1. Thoroughbred
          -3
          April 14 2013 01: 21
          I am omnipresent. I am a patriot of common sense. I am sure that Russia should join NATO and switch to imported weapons. This is obvious to any adequate person.
          1. +2
            April 14 2013 01: 39
            , I can’t even find the words! We will NEVER be friends with them - this is geopolitics, dude - you can’t argue against this! We are opponents for many centuries - remember this. They want to tear us apart - we resist. Learn history - read books (without insults). Don't write nonsense here
            1. Thoroughbred
              -3
              April 14 2013 01: 41
              No. Get this commie soviet garbage out of your head.
              1. 0
                April 14 2013 01: 53
                What I told you is a FACT! Ask any American: Who is your enemy, everything will become clear to you (believe me, it will not be Al-Qaeda or even Iran and North Korea)
          2. +4
            April 14 2013 01: 44
            Quote: Purebred
            I am omnipresent. I am a patriot of common sense. I am sure that Russia should join NATO and switch to imported weapons. This is obvious to any adequate person.

            Cosmopolitanism is not welcome! Comrade Stalin also fought against them! There is no common sense in your words! Serdyukov tried to switch to imports... Nonsense! In order to switch to imports, it must become better than domestic ones. They have some things better! But the main thing does not reach ours!
            As for the adequacy, I really doubt it! I advise you to see a narcologist or a psychiatrist!
            1. Thoroughbred
              -2
              April 14 2013 01: 48
              Almost all their equipment is better and more modern. For example, aviation - no comment needed, the lag is 20+ years, the same for armored vehicles - we still have Soviet coffins and aluminum cars, they have Leclercs and Patrias. The Russians have no clue - the US already has the entire contingent in Iraq driving MRAPs.
              1. Misantrop
                +2
                April 14 2013 02: 00
                Quote: Purebred
                Russians have no shit
                And there is no Coca-Cola and homosexuals in the army. How many decades of lag will this amount to according to the Democrats’ estimates? laughing
  61. +4
    April 14 2013 01: 17
    In the 80s, I studied at NIIGAiK in an international group. There were Cubans, Mongols, Germans, Hungarians, Ethiopians, Koreans, and of course, almost all representatives of the peoples of the USSR. About the Koreans I can say the following: it is difficult to imagine a more hardworking, smart and enterprising people .I have always admired their innate wisdom and insane courage (an interesting contradiction). The USSR has long sunk into oblivion, but such a small country as the DPRK lives and develops, which is worthy of respect. I can imagine the power of a united Korean state (this is about “monkeys”). That’s what and the point is that they will not be allowed to do this. Again, about the monkeys. The USA is a real banana country, only it tears bananas on foreign territories. Everyone has already fought, but the US has not. A real evil empire. It seems to me that if the wars end - The United States will die like a louse deprived of food. By the way, we lived very friendly despite the color of our skin and the size of our eyes. But that’s another topic.
    1. Thoroughbred
      -4
      April 14 2013 01: 22
      The DPRK does not live and does not develop. We and the US must work together to free her.
      1. Misantrop
        +2
        April 14 2013 02: 02
        Quote: Purebred
        We and the US must work together to free her.

        Well, pack your suitcase, why are you stuck on the forum? They've already been waiting for you there, that's why they don't start wassat
      2. UFO
        +2
        April 14 2013 03: 24
        [quote=Pedigreed]No. Throw this commie soviet garbage out of your head.[/quo Substitute your head.[quote=Pedigreed]I am omnipresent.[/quote]
        Have you been everywhere? Or only where they were sent? laughing [quote=Pedigreed] people don’t starve in the USA, or do you not feel sorry for the grass eaters?[/quote]
        There are more than 30 million people in the USA. live on food stamps. We feel sorry for the “weed eaters”, but we don’t feel sorry for the weed smokers. (Take note, it may come in handy. [quote=Misantrop]Well, pack your suitcase, why are you stuck on the forum? They’ve already been waiting for you there, [/quote]
        Good advice. I agree. good
    2. +3
      April 14 2013 01: 31
      By the way, I’m talking about the same thing. The first people who don’t want the unification of Korea are the Americans (by the way, the Chinese, most likely too). Because this will really become an Asian super-power over time. Nobody needs this, and Seoul is scared - how bloodthirsty North Koreans
      1. 0
        April 14 2013 07: 23
        I think that Japan is also not in last place on the list of “undesirables”...
  62. +2
    April 14 2013 01: 30
    I don’t think that all of us “sheep” talk about North Korea anyway! Only a stupid person can treat a country that makes its own missiles and is engaged in a nuclear program with irony. At one time, we (the USSR) went through all this, objectivity speaks only of one thing - making missiles and producing nuclear weapons does not yet mean a well-fed people and abundance! Let's hope that North Korea will survive.
  63. 0
    April 14 2013 06: 14
    I respect L. Ivashov for boldly criticizing the “bad things” in our Army and partly in the country, but his phrase from the article - “They live better than us in many ways.” surprised me!
    1. +1
      April 14 2013 07: 19
      And if the DPRK throws a couple of Iskander divisions, then South Korea and Japan will calm down and sit on their asses exactly. There will be peace and harmony.
    2. -1
      April 14 2013 07: 22
      Quote: taseka
      They live better than us in many ways. "I was surprised!


      It's just nostalgia for the USSR...and youth
      1. +4
        April 14 2013 22: 49
        Quote: svp67
        It's just nostalgia for the USSR...and youth

        Everyone has their own criteria, and sometimes very different ones...
        wassat
  64. -1
    April 14 2013 06: 58
    Quote: Purebred
    Almost all their equipment is better and more modern. For example, aviation - no comment needed, the lag is 20+ years, the same for armored vehicles - we still have Soviet coffins and aluminum cars, they have Leclercs and Patrias. The Russians have no clue - the US already has the entire contingent in Iraq driving MRAPs.

    You are very far from the army hi
    1. 0
      April 14 2013 07: 01
      The US already has its entire contingent in Iraq driving MRAPs.

      And how far did you go?
  65. +1
    April 14 2013 06: 58
    The DPRK is a sobering shower for the United States, which has gone too far in its impunity.
  66. 0
    April 14 2013 07: 01
    Quote: Purebred
    I am omnipresent. I am a patriot of common sense. I am sure that Russia should join NATO and switch to imported weapons. This is obvious to any adequate person.

    This is obvious only to an inadequate person hi
  67. 0
    April 14 2013 07: 33
    North Koreans (hereinafter referred to as S. Koreans) are truly a modestly living nation, without any visible claims to a better life, because... their whole life is their “great, wise, etc. leaders of the state, who are honored many times a day. Earlier, in 90, rural Koreans came to do agricultural work. They grew soybeans according to their own method (the harvest, by the way, was not important) and I separate the “tops” of salads, cucumbers, peppers, lobu, tomatoes. The latter is purely for everyday food. The food is more than modest: sprouted soybeans daily, greens. Green tea, but rarely, rice on weekends and on their national holidays such as birth of a leader, etc. They are dressed even more modestly. Almost everyone is the same in very cheap suits. They were issued in their homeland to show that they have everything. A badge with Comrade Kim Il Sung is MANDATORY. Without it they do not go to work or anywhere .MUST listen to the radio daily on the frequency of their home channel. MUST be filled with information where the political deputy explains to them the meaning of this or that news. You can write a lot. Apparently I’ll write a separate article about their life and existence. But the most important thing is that they don’t want to hear that they are “so modest.” No one whines or complains. Everything is fine, everything is fine thanks to their great leader.... And everything is back to normal. We are not far from them, so far there is silence, there is no war.
  68. +2
    April 14 2013 08: 06
    Here is the impression of a tourist from Russia about the DPRK.
    And the choice of goods in stores here is quite wide, and no one is swollen from hunger, as in “democratic” African countries (for example, 20 grams of rice are allocated for a person aged 700 every day!). We visited various parts of the country, including rural areas, in an area where, according to the Western press, there should have been famine, and we were able to see with our own eyes that these “horror” stories were of the same sort , as well as about “Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.”
    There are indeed a lot of military personnel on the streets of the DPRK, but you get used to their presence very quickly - this is an integral part of the reality of this small and proud country. They do not sell military uniforms or orders of their fathers and grandfathers here. Here, if something happens, it won’t be like in Yugoslavia, when the army emerged from NATO bombing intact, but Kosovo was surrendered to the enemy without any resistance....
    Everything was instantly recognizable - school and factory cultural trips to museums and circuses, cleanup days, honor boards... things that are difficult even to explain to a Westerner, but for us, who grew up in the USSR, are still as natural as air. We just forgot them a little, and after 2-3 days in Pyongyang the memories come flooding in with such pressure, such an avalanche that it seems that you can even smell the home of your childhood... Feelings also flow in - the same ones that have been in the “free” world for so long and they had to be diligently driven underground just to survive in it. For example, love for people. Or a desire to benefit society. And - faith in the good in people, which we have almost lost, having been constantly on the alert for more than 15 years in life, where man is truly a wolf to man, and any nasty thing can be expected from him.
    They have everything in life, don't worry. There are theaters, there are museums, there is a circus, gyms and swimming pools, there are cultural centers and recreation parks - and all this is available to everyone. And a girl in military uniform is reading a good book while walking along a rural path. And children play musical instruments, dance and laugh (while in the “civilized” city where I live, their peers die from drug overdoses, steal cars or set someone on fire). And young guys play shamkhat. And the old people who were not robbed by the monetary reform are resting with dignity on benches in the park. And lovers walk along the embankments, holding hands and looking tenderly at each other, instead of drinking beer from a can as they go, and then laying down somewhere in the bushes...
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      +1
      April 14 2013 09: 17
      Well, yes, it’s clear that the author was shown everything in the best possible way, but refugees from the DPRK talk about the opposite, about hunger, repression, etc. It’s as if the NATO invasion began precisely because of the Serbian military operation in Kosovo. Old people in the DPRK who were not robbed died of hunger in the 90s. In the Russian Federation there are swimming pools, libraries, and cultural centers, just get off your butt and take your child there. Children become trash if their parents are shit.
      1. +4
        April 14 2013 22: 52
        Quote: Krasnoyarets
        but refugees from the DPRK talk about the opposite, about hunger, repression, etc.

        Listen to our "swamp people", we have a DICTATORSHIP along with disloyalty to fagots.
        Where to go?
        hi
  69. +3
    April 14 2013 08: 22
    Quote: koni
    They do not sell military uniforms or orders of their fathers and grandfathers here. Here, if something happens, it won’t be like in Yugoslavia, when the army emerged from NATO bombing intact, but Kosovo was surrendered to the enemy without any resistance....
    Everything was instantly recognizable - school and factory cultural trips to museums and circuses, cleanup days, honor boards... things that are difficult even to explain to a Westerner, but for us, who grew up in the USSR, are still as natural as air. We just forgot them a little, and after 2-3 days in Pyongyang the memories come flooding in with such pressure, such an avalanche that it seems you can even smell the home of your childhood...

    If everything is so good, why doesn’t S. Korea simply allow its citizens to just go out and travel around the world? Give the opportunity to simply visit relatives freely in South Korea? laughing
    I have a feeling that everything will end like in the GDR (at the moment when the border with Germany was opened) and the people rushed west with such speed that the whole world is talking about socialism and the happy life of the GDR (and it really lived better than many SOC countries, CAMPS) has been dispelled as a myth.
    Give people freedom and then you will see for yourself where it is good and where it is bad.
  70. +2
    April 14 2013 08: 47
    Quote: atalef
    everything will end like in the GDR

    Many East Germans dream of returning behind the wall.
    Quote: atalef
    Give people freedom and then you will see for yourself where it is good,
    But now no one will let them leave the Western paradise.
    1. Warchief
      -7
      April 14 2013 09: 52
      Quote: Bort Radist
      Many East Germans dream of returning behind the wall

      The vast expanses of the post-USSR are also full of patients with a red rag in their heads. But now it’s the 21st century and the red infection has no place here. It’s time to understand and accept Western European values, over 20 years old.
      1. 0
        April 14 2013 10: 56
        Whose time is it? And what kind of “20 s....then” are we talking about?
        1. Warchief
          -3
          April 14 2013 11: 03
          Quote: aszzz888
          And what kind of “20 s....then” are we talking about?

          Remind me, when did the red sub-state collapse there?
      2. +1
        April 14 2013 12: 06
        Yeah, right now, let's straighten our ties, accept Western European values, take off our pants, widen up and march in orderly columns to the gay pride parade.
      3. Lukich
        0
        April 14 2013 13: 49
        Quote - It’s time to understand and accept Western European values, over 20 years old. (Warchief)
        What Western European values??? Permission for pedophilia, drug addiction, family destruction, juvenile justice. There is no place for the red infection - is there room for the Western European infection???
        (just don’t talk about Goethe and Voltaire, we also have our own boys!!!)
    2. 0
      April 14 2013 12: 18
      Nothing in life is repeated and nothing is given a second chance.
  71. +2
    April 14 2013 10: 50
    Let's try to imagine what would happen to Russia in just two weeks if they refused to buy oil and gas from us, and in addition introduced a food embargo

    I don’t know what would have happened to the “producers” of oil and gas, but the potatoes in my garden would have grown as before.
  72. +5
    April 14 2013 11: 50
    One of the greats remarked: “An idea taken to the point of absurdity becomes its opposite!”
    Ivashov points out a one-sided approach in assessing S. Korea. This deserves attention, but each of us has a stereotype of a North Korean, and it is difficult to abandon it; this requires very compelling arguments. And the media continues to plaster the stereotype. Intellectually, I understand and respect hardworking, disciplined, ideologically united people who keep pace with the UK. But in my soul I do not accept human robots, faceless, gray in uniform, enjoying life quietly, but hysterically, on display, loving their leaders. Yes, they are against our common enemy, for that I respect them!
    But I love CUBANS! Those who fought to the death in Angola against the South Africans and UNITAZ members. They knew how to fight, love and relax, remaining themselves, but they loved Fidel as they love their own father. Bright, strong people! I like these!
  73. cooper
    -2
    April 14 2013 14: 02
    I'm afraid that you don't need bombs to conquer North Korea. You need more rice and sausage. Then a happy society will open the gates of the "fortress" itself.
  74. +2
    April 14 2013 15: 04
    I really hope that the DPRK will withstand everything and begin to develop. To prove to the capitalists that they could not buy everyone with their green papers soldier
    1. +1
      April 14 2013 17: 16
      Quote: Speckled32
      I really hope that the DPRK will withstand everything and begin to develop. To prove to the capitalists that they could not buy everyone with their green papers soldier

      It is unlikely. develop under the Iron Curtain? Isolation is not the basis that provides the opportunity for development.
      1. 0
        April 14 2013 17: 53
        Quote: Chen
        . develop under the Iron Curtain?
        Well, it may (the curtain) be made of iron, but “with holes.” What I mean is that the PRC is actively investing in the 3 northern provinces of the DPRK (developing infrastructure, production), and China itself is an example of how not by changing ideologies, you can effectively change the very principle of economic management, modernize the economy and take a worthy place in the list of developed countries. Unfortunately, while the Chinese began to do all this, Gorbi came to power in our country, but now we are discussing not this, but the DPRK. My thought is that The DPRK is not a “besieged camp”, but a state pursuing an independent policy, but largely coordinated with China, and the aggravation of the Korean issue is not only a conflict between two powers, but primarily a struggle for leadership in the Asia-Pacific region. hi
  75. 0
    April 14 2013 19: 00
    Management North Korea is now in a very difficult - stalemate situation. They would be happy to carry out economic reforms, following the example of China or Vietnam. And for this, everything is generally available: cheap labor, sufficiently qualified, there is an industrial base, there is infrastructure. Of course, all this needs to be modernized; they have a backlog. And it would be possible to do this, but this requires financial investments and the assistance of foreign specialists in training. And this is where the problems begin. To modernize the country, greater contacts with the outside world are necessary. And of course, then the North Koreans will learn very interesting things, for example, that the standard of living of their neighbors - Russia, Japan, China, South Korea - is several times higher (and with some, tens of times) In itself, this would not be scary, well, they are lagging behind - sometimes they will catch up. But here’s how the leadership of the North. Korea will explain to its population that southerners live much better. All these decades it has been claiming the opposite, and people (I don’t think the North Koreans are an exception to this) really don’t like being lied to. God forbid if they start asking why we lived poorly and starved. There is a risk that the situation will begin to get out of control, and this is fraught not only with the loss of power, but also with the loss of life itself.
    Based on the above, I believe that the leadership of the North. Korea will not agree to reforms - it will be afraid. Now, if the international community offered the leadership of the North. Korea has some kind of economic plan (for example, like a marshal's plan), plus iron-clad guarantees of personal security - something could work out here. But who needs it?
    1. 0
      April 14 2013 19: 25
      in Tiananmen Square they also tried to declare their rights, but the state clearly stated: I am the State, we have the Communist Party and its leader and owner here is I! And there is still a large gap in welfare (both within China and in comparison with many developed countries), but this does not interfere with maintaining internal political stability. I think this option is also feasible in the DPRK and here I agree with you:
      Quote: Uzoliv
      But who needs it?
    2. +3
      April 14 2013 23: 01
      Quote: Uzoliv
      North Korea has some kind of economic plan (for example, like a marshal’s plan), plus iron-clad guarantees of personal security - something could work out here

      What for?
      The examples of China and Vietnam are nearby.
      When Deng Xiao Ping spoke about one state and two systems within his state, many people in the PRC initially had their brains “out of sync.”
      But the party put everything in its place.
      I think now Kim the grandson is waging a behind-the-scenes struggle with the elders from the generals in order to gain, if not support, then at least non-interference in the matter of reforming the JUCHE idea in a modern way - the guy has seen a lot, he probably has his own ambitions.
  76. 0
    April 14 2013 19: 37
    DPRK - well done! A truly freedom-loving and REALLY independent country. The local trolls who try to present this state as underdeveloped and starving look funny here. I would advise these trolls from Russia to inquire - what percentage of total food consumption does Russia buy abroad? The answer of the Russian Statistical Committee is up to 40%. Those. Russia is a “super duper” power and it WILL go hungry if sanctions similar to those applied to the DPRK are applied to it (and even with the help of Russia). These trolls would not be disgraced, but on the contrary, they would help their country at least feed ITSELF, as the DPRK did.
  77. 0
    April 14 2013 20: 32
    A friend of mine was in Pyongyang a couple of years ago at the funeral of Kim Jong Il. He did not see any horrors in the DPRK. True, he said that what he saw most of all reminded him of a normal, well-kept military town wassat
  78. Skavron
    -1
    April 14 2013 21: 38
    uh, have any of the commentators been to the DPRK?
    For those who haven’t been, I recommend searching LJ bloggers about traveling there...reading and looking at photos.
    SLUM
  79. +1
    April 14 2013 21: 58
    Firstly, North Korea has money - coal exports to China have increased by an order of magnitude;
    secondly, after the money appeared, they began an agricultural restoration program, which gave results:
    http://www.un.org/russian/news/story.asp?newsID=18576#.UWroJb3QQWk
    UN agencies report that staple food production in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) has increased for the second year in a row.