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Leonid Ivashov: Enough to broadcast stamps about North Korea

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Leonid Ivashov: Enough to broadcast stamps about North Korea



About North Korea, we have developed stable cliches, that this is almost a cave country, always starving, all polls lined up for a cup of rice. This is not true. Suffice it to recall that North Korea is a space power that launches satellites. This is a rocket power.
They were the ones who managed to create their medium-range missiles on a car chassis, which neither we nor the Americans could do. North Koreans created their tank, not much inferior to modern Russian tanks.

Another factor is the survival rate of this state. Recall that after the fall of the Soviet Union, Cuba and North Korea, which focused on economic cooperation with the USSR and the socialist bloc, remained in isolation. All the last 20 of years they are under embargo. Let us try to imagine what would happen to Russia in two weeks if we were refused to buy oil and gas, and in addition would impose an embargo on food. I don’t even want to talk about it.

Yes, the Koreans were starving. But today there is no starvation of hunger. But a number of problems they managed to avoid. It is here that thousands of drug addicts die out annually on 100 - in the DPRK, they simply do not exist. There are no homeless people, beggars and homeless children. The country is developing. Yes, there is a strict ideological policy and control - they are terribly afraid that liberal ideas can penetrate into Korea. But free medicine, free housing, free education and many other social benefits. All live, albeit modestly, but about the same level. This terrifying social gap, like in Russia or even in South Korea, is not even close. In addition, in North Korea, starting with Kim Jong-il, democratic reforms are being carried out, albeit very carefully. They are seriously studying the experience of Vietnam, where they managed to maintain a socialist ideology, a socialist economy, but at the same time show such growth rates.

So what happens there today? Firstly, it should be noted that young leaders have come to power in the region. Kim Jong Ying in North Korea, in South - Park Geun-hye, the first woman in this post. In China, the generation of leaders has also changed. Of course, they all have to prove themselves as real leaders. And if we talk about the countries of the Korean Peninsula, here the new leaders are heavily influenced by the military.

Security issues are really quite acute. But they do not want to seriously fight among themselves, simply calculating the consequences. After all, even a nuclear-free conflict will easily turn into a bloody meat grinder. On the one hand, a strong and numerous army of North Korea. They only have more people serving in the ground forces than we do in all the Armed Forces - 1 million 200 thousand people plus 4 million permanent reserves. And there are two sniper teams, artillery, naval forces, a very large aviation, even outdated aircraft, 3,5 tanks. There are 2,5 thousand tanks and 670 thousand personnel in the South Korean armed forces. But let’s not forget that South Korea is under an American nuclear-military umbrella. North Korea does not have such an umbrella. Today, it itself is rapidly developing its defense industry, including the nuclear component, to create a guarantee of its security.

Now there is an information war, which explains the statements from each side. Everyone wants to show how real the war is, how dangerous it is, and also to demonstrate its full readiness for it. I hope that the information-psychological war for asserting the leadership of the new leaders will end the whole matter. Because Seoul is located in 40 km from the 38 parallel, and very reachable for the strikes of North Korean aviation and tactical missiles.

As for the nuclear conflict, there are no interested parties. Even the United States canceled the tests, sending the head of the joint headquarters to Beijing for consultations. But a nuclear-free local conflict is beneficial to the Americans, the Japanese, and to some extent even the South Koreans. Look, there is no war yet, but they are already deploying anti-missile forces, increasing their presence in the region, including nuclear strategic bombers, aircraft carriers, and so on. They are creating missile defense against us and China, they say, see what threats, which means the Americans are right, promoting a global missile defense system. In Europe against Iran, in the Far East against Korea. All this is nonsense, but its role is played. Japan, thanks to North Korea, essentially went beyond its Constitution, written by General MacArthur. Today it is creating full-scale military forces, working on a nuclear program (at least before the Fukushima tragedy worked), creating its missile defense system, building up groups of conventional forces. All allegedly against the DPRK.

Nuclear threat from North Korea is excluded. Even according to American data, it today has only 8 nuclear devices, but not warheads. On March 12, the head of the US National Intelligence submitted a report to the Senate Commission, in which the threat of the use of nuclear weapons Korea and Iran took it as a secondary threat, somewhere in the 7-8 position. A more real danger in this report is called cyber threat. That is, the Americans do not consider nuclear strikes possible, but they can play on it. After all, look what policy the United States. Their principle is to force the Arabs to fight against the Arabs, the Muslims against the Muslims, it is desirable that the Russians fight each other, the Chinese, the neighbor with the neighbor, and the North Koreans fight the south. And then Americans are always in demand and can solve their global tasks.

But even if the usual nuclear-free military conflict occurs, we can get radioactive contamination. Because Americans are likely to cause an airstrike on nuclear reactors, and those on the peninsula more than 30. Then we get a new Fukushima at the very borders. Plus, if such a meat grinder starts, we will get up to a million North Korean refugees in the Far East. The chances of such a 50 scenario on 50, if only China and Russia do not intervene in the settlement issue in the most decisive way. Therefore, we need to consult with China day and night and put pressure on the United States, demanding a decrease in activity. After all, it was they who provoked the turn of the conflict when they conducted full-scale exercises with South Korean troops, simulating nuclear strikes and flying over nuclear strategic bombers of the airspace of the SC. They provoked the young leader to such actions. Now North Korea is trying to prevent an invasion. By the way, I fully agree with the head of US intelligence, who clearly said that the DPRK is necessary for weapons of mass destruction in order to ensure security, defense capability and raise its prestige in the modern world. Moreover, North Korea does not speak about preventive strikes, it only scares retaliatory strikes. At that time, under pressure from the Americans, the South Koreans adopted a program of precisely preemptive strike, and this is really dangerous. Tension is growing, and just one provocation is enough to start a real war.

By the way, in our newest stories there was already an episode when Russia played a positive role in resolving the Korean standoff. We have long been very friendly and have partnerships with South Korea, especially in the economy. We also supplied military equipment there. And we do not need this conflict. Putin’s visit to the 2000 year allowed both Koreans to sit at the negotiating table. Diplomats have worked before that. The process of convergence was launched, and the leaders of the Korean states sent each other greetings on birthdays or other dates. And then the Americans did not like it, they destroyed this process. But I believe that after all these tense days and weeks, Koreans, both northern and southern, will begin to bring their positions closer again. The main thing is to ensure mutual security. But we need to work actively, and not to broadcast the cliches that North Korea is mired in poverty. They live better in many ways than we do. More resilient, they have a future. They carry out reforms, slowly and carefully, and not in the way we did in 1991. It is necessary to promote their openness to the world and give some kind of security guarantee. Today, no one gives such guarantees to the DPRK.
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  1. opkozak
    opkozak April 13 2013 15: 46 New
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    He served with a Korean from Uzbekistan. A very hardworking people. He did not refuse any work, and was friendly. From home in parcels received a white bow. While the Uzbeks received packages with nuts, in which several pieces were with "plasticine."
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. April 13 2013 16: 04 New
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      Our company had a joint venture with South Korea in Busan. An employee fled from there with the words: "Now I understand that I am happy that I was not born in South Korea." North Korea, at least, is more honest.
      1. Vashestambid
        Vashestambid April 13 2013 16: 10 New
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        In North Korea, we have established stable cliches that this is almost a cave country


        Cave no, but beggar yes. The US and the EU send humanitarian aid to them every year, but they won’t even say thank you !!
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 April 13 2013 16: 48 New
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          Why they won’t say? —No war. That’s the answer. And, by the way, why do they take humanitarian aid-they also live under sanctions, what kind of trade is it?
        2. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt April 13 2013 16: 53 New
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          Quote: VashEstambid
          The United States and the EU annually send them humanitarian aid, but they won’t even say thank you!
          Yes, the North Koreans back in 1950-1953 said everything. What else do you need thanks?
        3. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 13 2013 18: 46 New
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          Quote: VashEstambid
          The ShA and the EU annually send them humanitarian aid, but they won’t even say thank you !!


          For napalm bombing? If it weren’t for the USSR and the atomic bombing would have been arranged by peacekeepers. Throughout the conflict, the US Army carried out massive carpet bombing, mainly incendiary bombs, throughout North Korea, including peaceful settlements. Despite the fact that the conflict did not last relatively long, significantly more napalm was dropped on the DPRK than, for example, on Vietnam during the Vietnam War. Tens of thousands of gallons of napalm were dumped every day on North Korean cities. During the retreat, US forces massacred prisoners who could not be evacuated. The most famous incident of this kind took place in Daejeon (the shooting was carried out by the South Korean police).

          Bacteriological weapons were used by the American forces: bombs filled with insects infected with plague and cholera were dropped at the positions of the North’s troops. On April 1, 1952, at a session of the Bureau of the World Peace Council, chaired by Frederic Joliot-Curie, an appeal was signed for the command of the southern coalition `` Against bacteriological war '

          Pablo Picasso's painting `` The Massacre in Korea '' (1951) reflects the atrocities of the American military against civilians that occurred during the Korean War. There is reason to believe that the motive for the painting was the war crimes of American soldiers in Sinchun, Hwanhedo Province. In South Korea, the picture was considered anti-American, which for a long time after the war was a taboo, and was banned from showing until 92 years old.
          1. huut
            huut April 13 2013 22: 25 New
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            In fact, the Korean War began North Korea, so the napalm bombing was not just. Too bravely showed the North against the South. Some kind of one-sided point of view - North Koreans are good, and Americans are bad. Everyone was covered up there. Moreover, extraneous giants entered the civil war, in fact.
            So do not forget about objectivity, otherwise cliches about "innocent" North Korea will be created.

            In many ways, they live better than us. Sustainable, they have a future.

            And this passage from the article was generally amazing. Severe self-isolation (or just isolation) of North Korea is the future, but does Russia mean there is no future?
            And about stability - if you squeeze the author in a fist, then he will stand, will breathe once and with a creak, but he will stand. And if you let him go, then he will be able to wander back and forth (as now), fall, get up, wander further. Did the “sustainable” version seem to be the best for the author?

            In general, some things in the article are worthy of attention, some are not, and therefore it is not worth taking it without looking - you should think about what you read without slogans.
          2. Darck
            Darck April 14 2013 03: 12 New
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            During the retreat, American troops carried out mass executions of prisoners who could not be evacuated. The most famous incident of this kind took place in Daejeon (the shooting was carried out by the South Korean police).
            Well, it’s necessary what kind of selective quote, and it became a shame to completely post it)
            During the retreat, both the northern and southern coalitions carried out mass executions of prisoners who could not be evacuated. The most famous incidents of this kind took place in Daejeon (the shooting was carried out by the South Korean police) and Pyongyang (the northerners shot).
            And where does the American troops and prisoners?)
            Numerous testimonies of witnesses confirm that both North Korean and South Korean troops often resorted to torture and executions of prisoners of war, killed wounded enemy soldiers. So, on August 17, 1950, North Korean soldiers shot 41 captured American troops from the 1st Cavalry Division. [37] In the fall of 1950, more than a hundred American prisoners of war were shot by North Korean troops in Sunchon.

            US troops were ordered to kill all people approaching their positions on the front line, even if they look like civilians. The reason was that the DPRK soldiers often disguised themselves as refugees and thus had the opportunity to deliver unexpected blows. However, in many cases, civilians died, sometimes the number of victims reached several hundred. The shooting of refugees in the village of Nogylli in 1950 gained particular fame.

            The troops of the North carried out mass executions of civilians in the captured settlements. According to South Korean researchers, only during the capture of Seoul in 1950, tens of thousands of people were killed in this way.
            It’s quite epic when they try to pass off the attacker as the angels who were bombarded about the Lord)
            If the USSR and the atomic bombing were arranged by peacekeepers
            Yes, and the strategist of you is not what) no one in his right mind would not bomb the island on which they themselves are) If it weren’t for the USSR, then this war might not have happened at all. Because the northerners just attacked, with silent the consent of the USSR and its help, very closely with China.
          3. Darck
            Darck April 14 2013 03: 13 New
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            About bacteriological weapons generally tin)
            It is often claimed that UN coalition forces used bacteriological weapons: bombs stuffed with insects infected with plague and cholera were allegedly dropped on the positions of the North’s troops. On April 1, 1952, at a session of the Bureau of the World Peace Council, chaired by Frederic Joliot-Curie, an appeal was signed for the command of the southern coalition "Against Bacteriological Warfare". However, from the very beginning, the American command strongly denied the use of bacteriological weapons. The Soviet documents that have become public in recent years allow, with an appropriate interpretation, to assume that these charges were completely or partially falsified, and the campaign to combat bacteriological weapons from the very beginning was provocative. Some historians suggest that the authors of the plan for this propaganda operation were North Korean intelligence agencies (perhaps on the "advice" of Mao Zedong). Vyacheslav Ustinov, assistant to the deputy minister of foreign affairs of the USSR, studied the materials a few years after the war and came to the conclusion that it was impossible to confirm the use of bacteriological weapons by the Americans
            The front line was constantly mixed up and the Americans were either moving deep into the north or retreating. Do you think it makes sense to drop bacteriological weapons and then carry them there yourself?
        4. aksakal
          aksakal April 13 2013 19: 35 New
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          Quote: VashEstambid
          Cave no, but beggar yes. The US and the EU send humanitarian aid to them every year, but they won’t even say thank you !!
          - Really, how else to convey to you? About a month ago, I clashed with a professor who posted here photos of Chinese hungry children of the Second World War and Japanese genocide and gave out these photos for today's North Korean children. He convicted him of a lie, now the professor is not visible to me as a professor (perhaps he has already noted himself again with his lying photo) and thank God. Reread the post - where is the poor power? And again, consider the reason - sanctions. Ivashov clearly indicated - apply such sanctions against Russia - I don’t even want to talk about the consequences. And the DPRK survives. Cancel the sanctions - and life will be no worse than South Korea.
          The states, before sending any kind of help, let the sanctions be lifted. The DPRK is doing the right thing — when you conduct exercises near your side to work out a nuclear strike, you have no choice but to react sharply. This is stupidity on the part of the Yukoreyts - I thought they were smarter, they have electronics and all that. And they are carried out on Amer incitement, conduct extremely provocative exercises and then run around the UN with eyes that are dull with fear, like, bandits deprive of sight. So behave smoothly, and no one will deprive you of sight. Once again I urge - leave her alone and lift your fucking sanctions! Who gave the right to impose sanctions only for non-compliance of the regime with "democratic" standards?
          The states there are helping the chickens to laugh - more PRA than help. It is fundamentally impossible to feed such a population with humanitarian aid, and a pair of cargo planes is nothing at all, but the United States blows the whole world for these planes that saved the DPRK from starvation. Listen, your estambid, you seriously think that morons are sitting on this resource and will believe your dog delirium
          Quote: VashEstambid
          US and EU send humanitarian aid every year
          ? Do you seriously consider us as such? Do you have to prove by numbers that a pair of planes is more useful for the image of the United States than physical assistance to the DPRK? If you don’t want people to talk to you in that tone, don’t post stupidity. Respect the members of the forum, they are not stupid people, and there will be respect for you.
          1. AlNikolaich
            AlNikolaich April 13 2013 23: 21 New
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            Quote: aksakal
            This is stupidity on the part of the Yukoreyts - I thought they were smarter, they have electronics and all that. And they are carried out on Amer incitement, conduct extremely provocative exercises and then run around the UN with eyes that are dull with fear, like, bandits deprive of sight.

            Let's not forget that South Korea, like South Vietnam, was created artificially, like puppet states, under the auspices of the USA!
            Quote: huut
            In fact, the Korean War began North Korea

            No one denies this! Just like the offensive of North Vietnam on Saigon! Only the Saigon regime did not last long ... And how would you react when some invaders seperate a fair chunk of people (your people) from your country, introduce their own laws there, and force them to quarrel with you? A normal state approach to this is to liberate part of the country and catch up on the invaders! And if in the Vietnam case it was possible (and no one remembers South Vietnam!), Then the Korean question was somewhat delayed! Amers clung to South Korea. They do not want to let go of the lever of influence in the Pacific region!
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 14 2013 00: 36 New
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              Quote: AlNikolaich
              Let's not forget that South Korea, like South Vietnam, was created artificially, like puppet states, under the auspices of the USA!

              Quote: AlNikolaich
              the question was somewhat delayed! Amers clung to South Korea. They do not want to let go of the lever of influence in the Pacific region!

              That is why the amers will never attack the sowing. Korea and this situation is beneficial to them !!
              If the Korean issue is resolved, the amers will have to get out of there !!
              1. Thoroughbred
                Thoroughbred April 14 2013 00: 39 New
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                Do not have to. I propose a coalition and together free the DPRK. Then we will leave our base there, and NATO our own.
                1. ultra
                  ultra April 14 2013 22: 05 New
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                  Quote: Purebred
                  Then leave our base there
                  And whose is yours? hi
            2. huut
              huut April 14 2013 01: 01 New
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              Quote: AlNikolaich
              And how would you feel when some invaders seperate from your country a hefty piece with the people (your people), introduce their laws there, and force them to quarrel with you?


              Yes, on one side there is nothing purely Korean. Communism was brought from the north, democracy from across the ocean, everything external. And if we talk about global meaning, then the confrontation of superpowers, and these powers themselves, for this conflict is to blame. With this approach (as you have indicated), both Koreas are “not guilty”.

              The confrontation of global ideologies ultimately gave rise to a civil war on this small piece of land (as previously known to all of us as the "large piece of land"), in which there are no right and guilty, or rather, everyone is to blame, because "brother to brother" is can never be right. And it was the "northerners" who particularly distinguished themselves in this.

              In fact, we pitted them with each other and now we are reaping the benefits in the form of a "hot spot". And to hang everything on the Americans, and even more so on the South Koreans (their fault is that the North began to cut them out and cut them as a result, do not interfere with outside forces?) It does not care about the facts.

              And if this happened, as you say, on my land, I would certainly sacrifice the facts for the sake of my homeland. But Korea is not my land, so I look objectively. But objectively there the whole tangle is to blame, but to a different extent. And North Korea is not so white.

              And how would you react when some invaders seperate from your country a hefty piece with your people

              They constantly want to isolate something from us, and I take this extremely negatively (decently if expressed). Only this is not at all what happened in the Korean War. It turned out exactly one country against another, and one people against another, although they are similar. Well, the "northerners" went to cut out "their" people in the south, according to your logic? And they are good in the end !?
              Honestly, I can hardly imagine what the South Koreans were guilty of in that conflict, even though I say that "everyone is to blame." In softness? The fact that they went into democracy? Was it worth it to kill them? Koreans themselves need to solve this moral, ethical and territorial problem. So I wonder if the Americans leave there, then they will solve it by the old method ...

              Do you seriously believe that if the South Koreans are left alone, they will joyfully go over to communism and go under the wing of the north? And will the North Koreans melt their entire huge army into yelling and work peacefully in the absence of an external threat? Yes, they will carry out the southerners in a week if the Americans roll away.

              From what angle do not look, well, there is no right here, so much has been tricked out. Well, except for the ideological angle - there are some right-wingers.

              And here, in an adjacent article, an employee of some institute speaks about the "peace-loving mentality" of Koreans! Maybe they meant external aspirations, they say they will never go to fight other countries. Yeah, but they will plow their own to the core of the earth.
              1. Basarev
                Basarev 5 May 2014 17: 12 New
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                And yet in the fight against the Americans and their henchmen there should not be prohibited methods and means. Personally, from my point of view, any aspirations and actions against Americans, NATO and pro-American evil spirits are absolutely ethically justified. The worse the Americans, the better for us. There shouldn't be any sentiment here. There is a national liberation war, and there should be no place for pity, fear or shame. Any methods and methods to the court, if they entail the maximum possible loss of the pro-Westerners and the Americans personally.
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak April 14 2013 19: 21 New
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            Quote: aksakal
            a month ago clashed with a professor

            Found someone to contact. Israeli Troll. A liar, a treacher. I saw through him yesterday in half a day. Remember, I'm new here! We should all conspire and not "feed" the troll. He will die. laughing
          3. Basarev
            Basarev 5 May 2014 17: 04 New
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            The main thing to remember: Russia will survive even with absolute sanctions and an absolute embargo. No one in history could ever impose their will on Russia, much less destroy it.
        5. yak69
          yak69 April 13 2013 20: 53 New
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          Quote: VashEstambid
          The US and the EU send humanitarian aid to them every year, but they won’t even say thank you !!

          The United States and the EU also sent humanitarian aid to us in the 90s. From their words, we, too, died of hunger here. We also need to say thank you to them ?! So what ?! Thank you for the collapse of the Union, for the provocations, for the grown-up liberal traitors who have pulled our country to this day! Why else would you advise all backward humanity to say thanks to the US and the EU ?! For world meat grinders? For a hungry hell in Africa? For the prospect of destroying 2/3 of the world's population (because, according to the Rockefellers and Rothschilds, there are already a lot of superfluous people on earth) ?!
          Here for you and for those who are like you, we definitely have to "thank" the USA and the EU!
          1. Warchief
            Warchief April 13 2013 23: 52 New
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            Quote: yak69
            We also need to say thank you to them ?!

            Yes.
            Quote: yak69
            Thank you for the collapse of the Union

            You are welcome. Just say thank you to the party nomenclature, which it was all profitable for a very simple reason - they stole theft, and use the stolen - nishmagli. The mess in the country was in their interest. But you can continue to think that the bear-tagged is to blame for everything, yes.
            Quote: yak69
            liberal traitors

            Please clarify the traitors. Who do you mean by them. Anyone who disagrees with your opinion?
            Quote: yak69
            For a hungry hell in Africa?

            Negro problems - people are not interested.
          2. Darck
            Darck April 14 2013 02: 48 New
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            The United States and the EU also sent humanitarian aid to us in the 90s. From their words, we, too, died of hunger here. We also need to say thank you to them ?!
            In 1920–23, during the famine in Soviet Russia, the United States sent humanitarian aid, the office was called ARA. They fed 10 million people and what they received. Two were imprisoned as spies, and the councils wrote in newspapers that the United States got rid of its products so that to prevent the collapse of prices for them. I think after this, no one else is waiting for gratitude).
            1. aksakal
              aksakal April 14 2013 13: 17 New
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              Quote: Darck
              In 1920–23, during the famine in Soviet Russia, the United States sent humanitarian aid, the office was called ARA. They fed 10 million people and what they received. Two were imprisoned as spies, and the councils wrote in newspapers that the United States got rid of its products so that to prevent the collapse of prices for them. I think after this, no one else is waiting for gratitude)
              - distort the story and then when you are poked into your own guano, you’re offended. The famine was provoked precisely by the politics of the West after the expulsion of Trotsky. The calculation was simple - provoke a hungry popular rebellion that would sweep away Stalin and create the conditions for the triumphant return of Trotsky.
              Dark, come to me. I will put you in my barn, with barred windows. These conditions in the barn will simulate the living conditions of the country under the conditions of sanctions, essentially under the conditions of the blockade. And I will feed you a cup of rice (I’ll even put a little meat there!), Serving food on a pole through the grate. In exchange for such feeding, you will owe me your life - I did save you from starvation, otherwise what about me? - and you will plow gratitude at me! I agree to such conditions? I’ll pay for the ticket ... If I don’t agree, justify why I don’t agree. Your justification may give you the hint yourself why neither the population of the USSR, nor the population of the DPRK have experienced, will not and will not feel a sense of gratitude to the amers for their "humanitarian" help.
              Simple and short: Instead of humanitarian aid, give free rein to economic action, and put your humanitarian aid in yourself where you, Dark, will stick rectal candles after a real and physical attempt to claim gratitude for your “humanitarian aid”. Is it so intelligible? Tell me how you understood? I can even more intelligibly.
              1. Darck
                Darck April 14 2013 18: 18 New
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                - distort the story and then when you are poked into your own guano, you’re offended
                Juggling the facts, all sorts of fermented patriots like to do it, on this site, there was an example above.
                The famine was provoked precisely by the politics of the West after the expulsion of Trotsky.
                For decency, you would study the history of your country. You can start from the eleventh century, you will see that hunger in Russia was a frequent occurrence. The famine of 20-23 years, was caused by a civil war, reigned in the territory controlled by Uncle Lenin. Which, moreover, destroyed trade by arranging a subsistence, took goods from people for the needs of the country, and people went hungry. It was a short course in the history of your country, and you will tell your tales about evil Americans to your friends in your barn)
                hunger riot that sweeps away Stalin
                If there was someone to merge, then this is Lenin, Stalin at that time, he did not lead the country)
                Dark, come to me.
                Is this a date?
                I will put you in my barn, with barred windows.
                Ahhh ... so you are also sado-mazo)
                essentially under blockade conditions.
                Was it Russia that was in the conditions of the blockade?) You rave again) They had hunger in the country, and they traded grain at all. When the dead Americans asked, what are you doing, you have hunger. They answered, we need to raise the army) So that go learn history) About the DPRK in general it is epic, almost the entire UN put forward sanctions against them. What did not stop the north from trading with China, Brazil, Dominican Republic, the Netherlands, Algeria, India, Egypt, Russia. They themselves can’t feed themselves, the areas suitable for agriculture are small. And they should say thank you that they are being helped, even South Korea sends food annually, I am silent about private firms. And you shouldn’t blame countries that don’t want to deal with them; You will. Sev Korea has already tried once.
                and put your humanitarian aid to yourself where you, Dark, will stick rectal suppositories after a real and physical attempt to claim gratitude for your "humanitarian aid".
                Well, don’t try so hard, so much emotion, about gratitude, I wrote above, but didn’t get to you again) Americans are already trained, Russian gratitude, from the time of the same famine, from the times of industrialization of Russia and the same Land Lisa, for which scoop squeezed the loot. And Russia still has not paid) So you have to continue to live in the barn tovarisch)
                1. Thunderbolt
                  Thunderbolt April 14 2013 18: 45 New
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                  Quote: Darck
                  the same Land Lisa, for which the scoop clamped the loot. And Russia still has not paid)
                  In general, it wasn’t necessary to pay, for what, to pay for a constant supply interruption? But seriously, it’s good that they didn’t pay, because this is a more political issue. How many countries were supplied with this Lend-Lease and forgiven everyone, but here, see what scrupulousness. In short, you are told: wait until 2030, so do it)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
                  )))))))))))))))))
                  1. Darck
                    Darck April 14 2013 19: 25 New
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                    pay for something
                    For what they delivered, not even for what they delivered, but for the fact that they survived. But the scoop clamped here too)
                    after all, this is a political issue.
                    Actually, it was a matter of life and death and help in the victory over fascism.
                    for the constant disruption of supplies?
                    Yes, you still say, you didn’t get anything and in general you would have won and naf all. Wider fingers, wider.
                    In how many countries was this Lend-Lease shipped and forgiven
                    It is the right of Americans personally, to whom they forgive and who do not. And the same Great Britain, being an ally of the United States, returned the debt)
                    In short, you have been told: wait until 2030
                    In general, it is said to give a postponement, since Russia was not a wealthy country then. At one time the USSR was given a postponement, until 2001, but it did not survive. A tendency?)
                    1. Thunderbolt
                      Thunderbolt April 14 2013 19: 54 New
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                      Quote: Darck
                      . But the scoop and clamped here)
                      Well done scoop good !
                      Quote: Darck
                      help in defeating fascism
                      So help or leasing?
                      Quote: Darck
                      Yes, you still say, did not receive anything, and in general you would have won
                      I will not say, because I have already clearly said, "... a constant disruption of supplies .."
                      Quote: Darck
                      It’s a personal right for Americans to whom they forgive and who do not.
                      Well, if you are reasoning in such logic, I will inform you that it is the right of the Russians when and how much to give. Do not like --- contact the collector wassat
                      Quote: Darck
                      Generally said to give a respite
                      here wait tongue
                    2. Contrpropaganda
                      Contrpropaganda April 17 2013 04: 06 New
                      0
                      Quote: Darck
                      Yes, you still say, you didn’t get anything and in general you would have won and naf all. Wider fingers, wider.


                      Well, my friend, tell me how many Arctic convoys came to Murmansk from July to November 1942, i.e. the most difficult period of the Battle of Stalingrad? How many and what cargoes came during the same period along the trans-Iranian and Pacific routes? And then squeals about the fact that without a lend-lease a scoop would be a khan is one thing, and knowing when exactly the Lend-Lease help became real and significant is another.
                2. aksakal
                  aksakal April 14 2013 21: 11 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Darck
                  The famine of 20-23 years, was caused by a civil war, reigned in the territory controlled by Uncle Lenin. Which, moreover, destroyed trade by arranging a subpayment, took goods from people for the needs of the country, and people went hungry. It was a short course in your history country,
                  - this is really such a short history course that, because of its brevity, it did not fit a single word of truth laughing This famine of the times of devastation was overcome through the introduction of the NEP, without any humanitarian aid from the United States, there is nothing to thank them for, and therefore let them go with outstretched hands for gratitude to someone else, perhaps, and Christ will give them laughing
                  Quote: Darck
                  and they traded grain in all
                  - and this is another story when the country overcame the devastation with the help of the NEP, but headed for the modernization of the country, the very modernization, thanks to which the USSR had a decent weapon, which allowed it to defend its homeland a little later, thanks to which the USSR was the first to go into space and so on. .d. For modernization, we needed machines, technologies, models of equipment and more. Only the West could provide them. But by that time Trotsky had been caught up from the country, and the West INTENTIONALLY introduced only grain as payment for deliveries of equipment necessary for modernization! Neither gold, nor wood, nor furs, nor the gold dime introduced by Lenin - only grain that he himself was not particularly needed, for the West more than produced this grain himself! Why? The West knew very well that the export of such an amount of grain would provoke hunger and intentionally failed. And when famine raged in the USSR, in the Volga region and in Kazakhstan (Goloshchekin, damn it!), The prudish sent a couple of trains with bread as "help", and now Dark reproaches with this piece of bread laughing laughing Dark, don't run up. You have cereal in your head instead of knowing history, go and learn the materiel.
                  Quote: Darck
                  And they have to say thank you for helping them,
                  - I advise again - do not tell Koreans what to do, and they will not tell you where to go laughing And you have to go very, very far and in a not very pleasant place. I advise you to proceed there immediately!
                  1. Darck
                    Darck April 15 2013 01: 17 New
                    -2
                    it’s really such a short history course that, because of its brevity, it did not fit a single word of truth
                    I have already made a recommendation above, to study the history of my country, so as not to be dishonored)
                    This famine of the times of devastation was overcome by the introduction of the NEP, without any humanitarian assistance from the United States
                    Yeah, that's why the Russian leadership asked for humanitarian assistance) Indeed, without any) I will give a second tip, less bukh)
                    and this is another story when the country overcame the devastation with the help of the NEP
                    It was in the year 22) hunger lasted until 23 years)
                    and the West INTENTIONALLY introduced only grain as payment for deliveries of equipment necessary for modernization!
                    Tie it with drugs too), there was such a company, AMTORG, I advise you to study it carefully too, and yes, trade with the West, they started in the year 24) And I remind you of the famine before) They paid the United States with gold. I don’t like illiterate and problem people, so for now)
                3. ultra
                  ultra April 14 2013 22: 08 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Darck
                  Distorting facts, all sorts of fermented patriots like to do,
                  And also Russophobes and zombie inhabitants of the "swamp"! am
                  1. Darck
                    Darck April 15 2013 01: 30 New
                    -1
                    And also Russophobes and zombie inhabitants of the "swamp"!

                    And by the way, too)
                    So help or leasing?

                    And help and leasing)
                    I will not say, because I have already clearly said, "... a constant disruption of supplies .."

                    Fingers wider, wider)
                    Well, if you are reasoning in such logic, I will inform you that it is the right of the Russians when and how much to give. Do not like --- contact the collector

                    Good attempt to otmazatsya)
                    here wait

                    Have I already mentioned the trend? Oh yes ... wait)
        6. poligraf
          poligraf April 13 2013 21: 10 New
          +5
          You probably wanted to say a focused country.
        7. dark_65
          dark_65 April 14 2013 06: 24 New
          -5
          I rarely pour out emotions, but I can’t hold back here, you are stupid if you consciously write this.
      2. opkozak
        opkozak April 13 2013 23: 43 New
        +4
        Quote: Nikolay S.
        An employee fled from there with the words: "Now I understand that I am happy that I was not born in South Korea."

        Maybe the Koreans worked more than eight hours a day and forced him to?
    2. Deniska999
      Deniska999 April 13 2013 18: 28 New
      0
      And what about the famine of 1995-1999?
      1. Hudo
        Hudo April 13 2013 22: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: Deniska999
        And what about the famine of 1995-1999?



        For several years in a row - crop failure due to adverse weather conditions, and even in isolation.
        1. Thoroughbred
          Thoroughbred April 13 2013 22: 11 New
          0
          Amazing stories are simple.
        2. AlNikolaich
          AlNikolaich April 13 2013 23: 25 New
          +5
          Quote: Hudo
          For several years in a row - crop failure due to adverse weather conditions, and even in isolation.

          Apparently crop failure was not casual! Perhaps climatic weapons were used!
          Now there are enough ways, for example to cause a drought ...
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach April 13 2013 23: 32 New
            +6
            Do not wear a foil hat? And then the CIA is able to shine through the satellites of the brain! wink
            But not! a new century!
            Not from satellites, but using mobile phones!
            1. AlNikolaich
              AlNikolaich April 14 2013 00: 21 New
              0
              Quote: dmitreach
              Do not wear a foil hat?

              Are you wearing? And helps from brain clearance? wink
              Quote: dmitreach
              Not from satellites, but using mobile phones!

              To drown a mobile phone in a toilet! And do not go to the computer! Dangerously! laughing
              1. dmitreach
                dmitreach April 14 2013 01: 34 New
                0
                from brain clearance helps?

                Are you interested in equipment that helps with brain clearance? belay
                This is to Igor Prokopenko, he knows. Unfortunately, I do not watch his program, I can not help you with advice. And about the foil caps, the developer of the climate weapon tried to give lectures, but we instructed him with a premium portion of gelaperidol. request "The chief physician Morgulis" insisted after the "TV banned."
                To drown a mobile phone in a toilet! And do not go to the computer!

                Thank you for taking care of my health. Spring is difficult. Understand. Take care of your health. Eat fruit smile
                With respect and understanding, your nurse. Call 03.
    3. Nevsky
      Nevsky April 13 2013 20: 56 New
      11
      EVERYTHING MANDATORY RECOMMENDED FOR VIEWING! SPANISH AT DPRK SERVICE!!!

      1. crest 57
        crest 57 April 13 2013 23: 12 New
        +3
        There is nothing to add. Everything to the point. Well done!
      2. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich April 13 2013 23: 40 New
        +1
        Thanks for the video! Strongly reminiscent of our homeland!
    4. Zen
      Zen April 14 2013 13: 40 New
      +3
      I once drank vodka with a real North Korean.
      It turned out to be a very decent person, it was a pity that he spoke Russian poorly.
  2. krez-74
    krez-74 April 13 2013 15: 48 New
    +1
    For some reason, I’m sure that North Korea is acting in collusion with the United States. Another "threat to peace", and the United States will repeat, we are for peace! we warned you! ... And in the end, the United States will have another point where they will place another component of missile defense, right next to Russia, and right in the strategically important region! Another divorce of Russia and the world!
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 13 2013 15: 57 New
      11
      Quote: krez-74
      For some reason, I’m sure that North Korea is in collusion with the United States.



      Most likely, each side "pursues its own interests" ...
      1. krez-74
        krez-74 April 13 2013 16: 04 New
        +4
        It is clear that each side pursues its own interests, BUT too loud rhetoric is heard from Pyongyang, it is too belligerent, and the media is too busy with it ... This ZHZHZHZH, as they say, is not casual! The one who screams the most is usually not involved in a fight.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 13 2013 16: 39 New
          +7
          Quote: krez-74
          It is clear that each side pursues its own interests, BUT too loud rhetoric is heard from Pyongyang, it is too belligerent, and the media is too busy with it ... This ZHZHZHZH, as they say, is not casual! The one who screams the most is usually not involved in a fight


          In this regard, I support only the statement that the media is too busy with it. Alas, our country missed the “impunity” attack from the Republic of Kazakhstan, about the readiness to start a PREVENTIVE war against the DPRK, and then after the DPRK’s response to the readiness to meet the enemy with all types of weapons, including nuclear weapons, it “stood quietly” aside and as a result received deployment of missile defense elements on our eastern frontiers
    2. poligraf
      poligraf April 14 2013 00: 26 New
      +1
      I agree. If the stars are falling, then someone needs it.
  3. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr April 13 2013 15: 52 New
    +4
    Russian-North Korean relations
    From Wikipedia
    After the end of World War II and the expulsion of Japanese troops from Korea, the territory of the Korean Peninsula was divided along the 38th parallel. North of it were Soviet troops, south - American. In 1948, a pro-Soviet communist government was formed in the northern part of the peninsula, headed by Kim Il Sung, and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea was formed. On October 12 of the same year, the USSR became the first state to recognize the new government. During the war of 1950-1953, the Soviet Union together with China actively supported the DPRK. In 1961, a basic bilateral Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance was signed.
    After the collapse of the USSR, contacts with this isolated country greatly weakened. Only in 2000 did the first visit of the head of the Russian state to Pyongyang take place. Then, agreements were reached on intensifying political contacts and developing measures to restore economic cooperation. In recent years, intergovernmental agreements have been signed on air services, on cultural cooperation, on the promotion and mutual protection of investment, on avoidance of double taxation, on mutual trips of citizens, on economic and technical cooperation; on cooperation in the forestry sector, in customs affairs, in the fight against crime and law enforcement, in the use of satellite navigation systems.
    Russia periodically provides North Korea with humanitarian aid. On August 1, 2004, a food shipment (34,7 thousand tons of wheat worth $ 10 million) arrived in the DPRK through the United Nations World Food Program (WFP), delivered as part of the first Russian donor contribution to WFP. In 2009, an agreement was reached on the joint reconstruction of the Tumangan-Rajin railway. In the port of Rajin, the construction of a container terminal is planned.
    Cooperation in the nuclear field between the Soviet Union and the DPRK began in 1956. In 1965, the first Soviet light water reactor IRT-2000 with a capacity of 2 MW was launched in the country. In the 70s, active development of nuclear weapons began with the direct assistance of the USSR and the PRC.

    Since 2003, Russia has been participating in the six-party talks on the DPRK nuclear program.

    Official Moscow condemned the North Korean missile launch on December 12, 2012, but still opposes harsh actions against Pyongyang.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa April 13 2013 17: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: AleksUkr
      After the collapse of the USSR, contacts with this isolated country greatly weakened.
      But in vain. "It has already been suggested that the DPRK is a rather promising trading partner (G. Globa, North Korea as a promising trading partner // Unity, No. 1/147, 2013, P.24-30; Korea Business Consulting website "(KBC); Ilya Dashkovsky. Earn on communism // Business magazine RosBusinessConsulting, 10/2011). The main industries are engineering, electricity production, the chemical industry, mining (coal (64% of world reserves), iron ore, magnesites, graphites, copper, zinc, lead), metallurgy, textile industry, forestry, food industry. Oil refining industry (two factories), mechanical engineering, production of high-precision electronic devices. The whole range of products manufactured in the DPRK is exported. Trading partners of North Korea are such European countries as Germany, the Netherlands, Poland, Austria, which indicates high quality and competitiveness of goods sold. Among its partners are more than 120 countries in Asia, Eastern and Central Europe, Africa, Latin and South America. In foreign trade, the DPRK is severely limited by the sanctions imposed by the UN, USA, South Korea, and Japan. At the same time, the mining export segment began to develop, and the lion's share in it is occupied by trade in anthracite and rare earth metals. The products of the metallurgical industry are represented by a wide range of products from raw zinc (the mountains of the country are rich in metal reserves) to pipe rolling, metal products, iron, stainless steel, tool and surgical steel (the last two must have very high characteristics) In five years, you can trace how the country moves from the resource base of the Far East to a developed high-tech state. The mere fact that high-quality and competitive products are being exported, made not only from imported parts, but also through a full production cycle within the country, speaks of a very competent policy in the economic sphere.
  4. Genoezec
    Genoezec April 13 2013 15: 53 New
    +5
    Indeed, completely tired of these annoying cliches about the backwardness of Korea in all but military plans!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 13 2013 19: 43 New
      +5
      Quote: Genoezec
      Indeed, completely tired of these annoying cliches about the backwardness of Korea

      Right! It’s just that Korea dropped the Iron Curtain, as the USSR used to be. Well, they don’t have drug addiction, and other “crappy goodness”. Because the West and hysteria. Especially Japan. They are already shouting about the third missile launch and, accordingly, the threat of Japan.
  5. aviamed90
    aviamed90 April 13 2013 15: 55 New
    +4
    All this is so. Ready to agree with the author. The media really went too far with their "ratings." But the unhealthy love and enthusiasm of the North Koreans for their "leaders" is very alarming. Or is it mental or ostentatious. But from the outside it looks scary. And the article is a plus.
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist April 13 2013 17: 41 New
      +9
      Quote: aviamed90
      The unhealthy love and enthusiasm of the North Koreans for their "leaders" is alarming.

      About 50 years ago, we also loved the grandfather of Lenin and the Father of all nations. Now many want to return those times.
      1. VAF
        VAF April 13 2013 18: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: Bort Radist
        About 50 years ago, we also loved the grandfather of Lenin and the Father of all nations.


        And you might think that this is not so right now? belay Well .. who doesn’t “love” the Great and Almighty here? wassat +! wink
        1. Bort radist
          Bort radist April 13 2013 18: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: vaf
          And you might think that this is not so right now?

          Good evening, Sergey! I’m talking about demonstrations when in all cities, everything is complete, all streets are closed, with flags, banners, slogans, though with songs, harmonica, dances
          1. VAF
            VAF April 13 2013 18: 54 New
            +4
            Quote: Bort Radist
            I’m talking about demonstrations when in all cities, everything is complete, all streets are closed, with flags, banners, slogans, though with songs, harmonica, dances


            Hi Boris! Yes, this is understandable, I just answered more aviamed90but his post is "harsh", and you ... you can make a joke, but I can see for one minus that the joke failed, I'm getting old recourse

            Well, once again, for the GDP (the answer to your post), I don’t know, one by one or not (with flags, banners, slogans, with songs, etc.) but a lot .... it's me about the same .. . Demos + wink drinks

            1. Bort radist
              Bort radist April 13 2013 19: 29 New
              +6
              Quote: vaf
              it's me about the ... demos +

              Yes, this is in Moscow, our capital, and here in Siberia, people in their free time fishing, hunting with friends or so long forgotten in the European part - according to women fellow good drinks
              1. Nayhas
                Nayhas April 13 2013 20: 37 New
                0
                "or so long forgotten in the European part - according to the women" - Babblet everyone! fool
            2. aviamed90
              aviamed90 April 13 2013 21: 38 New
              0
              VAF

              Yes, no time to hang a decent avatar.
        2. Nick
          Nick April 13 2013 19: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: vaf
          And you might think that this is not so right now? Well .. who doesn’t “love” the Great and Almighty here?

          Judging by your mood, you, vaf ...
        3. Day 11
          Day 11 April 13 2013 21: 23 New
          0
          I respect you as a connoisseur of aviation, but nevertheless, the irony here is probably inappropriate
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak April 13 2013 18: 47 New
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        Quote: Bort Radist
        Now many want to return those times.

        Are we afraid of Stalin? Yes, yes, a thousand times yes!
        Indeed, under Stalin there was only TERROR and HORROR!
        Nothing but terror and horror.

        There were no explosions of houses and the subway.
        There were no killed schoolchildren on the lineup on September 1.
        There were no soldiers tortured to death in the barracks.
        And there were no commanders selling them outside the gates of a part for sexual services to wealthy clients.
        There was no theft by “subjects of federations”, regions, cities, factories, oil rigs, power plants and coal mines.
        There was no problem in recognizing their nationality, whatever it was.
        There were no soft sentences for rapists and murderers of children.
        There were no oversweet children with sexually transmitted diseases selling themselves at a station or in a doorway for a dose.
        There were no social networks with child pornography.
        There were no books in which schoolchildren eat their teacher's feces.
        There were no Chekhov? Three sisters? with oral sex on stage.
        There were no silicone breasts or genital piercings needed to take place as an individual.
        Rubber phalluses were not in use (except for those found during a search at Berry).
        There were no glass vials for conception of children only because men wanted to mate only with men, and women only with women.
        There were no lubricants, antidepressants, targeted grants; transition economies; flavor enhancers, sweeteners, thickeners, viewers; raiders and riders; dealers, killers and promoters; emulsifiers, tenants, schemers; trends, brands, exchanges, roofs, trash, caches; exclusivity, elitism, cult and sign, after parties, installations and biennials, pubic trimming, glamor and Wi-IP, aperitifs, digestifs and suggestions, advertising pads, tampons, yoghurts; brunches, lunches, hot dogs, big maki, club sandwiches, megamalls, baby dollars and pis-favors; touch screens, stabilization funds, offshores, summits and sodomites; kidnaping, clearing, consolidation, Internet banking, holding, shopping, push-ups, credit iPhones, electric waffle irons, sedans, estates and estates with serfs.
        In general, there were not all those wonderful, tolerant, and politically correct ones; basic and defining things that are so important to us, modern, harmonious, enlightened and self-respecting people.

        How can we want Stalin?
        1. Bort radist
          Bort radist April 13 2013 19: 17 New
          +3
          Yes, you are right, Vadim, a thousand times! But there was another, I captured those sixties. Were curled up, there was pornography. In Novocherkassk, workers were enraged with fat, and they were shot for it? and no one sniffed cocaine? Everything is complicated and sometimes I really want to return 37 years.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak April 13 2013 20: 35 New
            +6
            Quote: Bort Radist
            I captured those sixties. They were curled,


            Hi Boris, I captured the seventies from the negative. I can recall rampant petty theft and mass fights with other people's areas, the most common article was 206 - hooligan
            1. Bort radist
              Bort radist April 14 2013 06: 28 New
              +2
              Quote: Vadivak
              I can remember the general petty theft

              Maternity leave for women was 112 days, although mothers before the age of one year had time for feeding 30 minutes, after 3 hours of work. The most common breakfast was - sunflower oil on a saucer, salt and dunk brown bread. This in Siberia in Moscow is probably different. Seventies and the district to the district, God forbid, in a stranger and one flew, a trifle shake and snot, as they said then. The salt varnish was added, shaken, the alcohol was drained. Shoe cream was spread on bread, cut with a knife, and the soaked piece was eaten. I’m not talking about how bad it was, but about the fact that many talk only about the pros, and introduce the iron discipline howling.
        2. Nayhas
          Nayhas April 13 2013 21: 40 New
          -4
          Yes, everything was wonderful. There were no drugs, so the security officers indulged in the marathon, but the party members. There was no homosexuality, yes, there was pederasty, from which, for example, the People's Commissar Yezhov was quite officially treated, i.e. that was normal. There were no pedophiles, only the headman Kalinin raped young girls while he was capable of it, but Stalin turned a blind eye to it, which means it was necessary. And in general, Stalin never condemned sexual debauchery, as they say, he said, "Will we envy?" There were no iPhones and other rubbish, but there was a piece of matter to buy for happiness. There were no teenagers, what the hell are teenagers, from the age of 14 they have been forcibly forced to work in the educational institution for escape from which for 6 months. deprivation of liberty, and in FZU the norms are almost the same as in an adult, you will not be deprived of rations, and after FZU, distribution to the factory that is said to fail to appear entails criminal liability. To live in a hut, afraid to be late for work, because late for 20 minutes to 4 months. imprisonment. But the collective farm also has a happy childhood, work for workdays and the law of the three ears of wheat, there’s no way to leave, there’s no passport. Happy life ...
          1. Thoroughbred
            Thoroughbred April 13 2013 21: 42 New
            -9
            Scoop, dear.
          2. crest 57
            crest 57 April 13 2013 23: 22 New
            0
            All that you listed, when and from whom did you learn? Probably in the last twenty years from the "democratic" media?
      3. Nick
        Nick April 13 2013 19: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: Bort Radist
        About 50 years ago, we also loved the grandfather of Lenin and the Father of all nations. Now many want to return those times.

        Not certainly in that way. Much of the good that was in those days should have been returned, yes, but it will not work twice to enter the same river.
        1. Bort radist
          Bort radist April 13 2013 19: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Nick
          yes, but it’s impossible to enter the same river twice.

          Yes, at least from the same shore,
  6. erased
    erased April 13 2013 15: 58 New
    +3
    It's time to bring down the DPRK! It’s a joke, but there is some joke in it. But to prevent the Amers from playing a game in the Far East - that would be true. Wait and see ... Personally, I do not need a polluted atmosphere there. Although I live far away, but this is my country. I mean a big splinter of my country.
  7. fenix57
    fenix57 April 13 2013 15: 59 New
    +3
    , The first part of the article that the DPRK is a paradise in Southeast Asia.
    And personally, as a resident of Primorye, even nuclear infection, you know, worries me.
    The fact that amer mugs are horned is understandable, but the whole bodyless body started after February 12 (an underground nuclear explosion). And the question arises of why the DPRK made this explosion, knowing in advance the reaction of the UN Security Council. That is, they don’t give a damn about the UN (I don’t blame them for this) or “play along” Sshastam - analysts have such versions. Although in this situation, this is one and the same. hi
    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil April 13 2013 18: 21 New
      +4
      I am also bothered by this question, why make the whole world community angry with these explosions, there is a resolution not to blow up, do it without sinning, do not return the world to the era of nuclear threat. Plus, this is a terrible idolatry of a young and not very smart (judging by the actions) dictator, at the level of a banana republic. But I still respect the author, I understand his desire to contribute to the damping of the situation, aware of his past achievements, moreover, I would like to see him as the president of our country ... But as for the DPRK, I still have a dissenting opinion and it is not in her favor.
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil April 13 2013 18: 29 New
        +2
        By the way, dear interlocutors, maybe someone was there at the moment, can tell from the original source how so what. And then read and see a couple of gigs video -one, but to hear from a friend of mine, let him even on the site (there we figure out what to believe or how) -other. What do they eat, what are they sleeping on, what is their working day, on what kind of cars do they drive, and are there any at all? At what height do the legs lift in the parade laughing
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop April 13 2013 18: 57 New
          +2
          Quote: almost demob
          can tell from the source how so what.
          Once on the net I got interesting notes on North Korea. I read it with pleasure. http://yarportal.ru/topic29170.html
          1. almost demobil
            almost demobil April 14 2013 05: 41 New
            0
            Misantrop
            Thanks for the reference, read and strengthened my opinion. In fact, there are no cars, no mobile phones, girls with eggs, sad and hungry. And at the expense of repression, Beria nervously smokes on the sidelines.
  8. ochakow703
    ochakow703 April 13 2013 16: 07 New
    +4
    Madhouse complete! This region is important and interesting to Americans across the ocean, and we just threw a neighbor, obeying the sanctions that the amers put forward. Why are we selling all our friends !? Let not friendship to kisses in the gums, so let there be interest in each other. Probably it would be superfluous for us if the UK was on the side of Russia? And so everywhere ... Cuba, Libya, Vietnam, now Syria.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa April 13 2013 18: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: ochakow703
      Probably it would be superfluous for us if the UK was on the side of Russia?
      “With a population of 22,5 million people (2004 data), the country's army has 847 thousand people. There are about 4 million people in reserve. The armed forces have: 31 tactical missile launcher, 21 operational tactical missile launcher , 2770 medium tanks (T-54 / -55 / -62, Ture-59), about 730 T-34 tanks, 560 light tanks PT-76 and M-1985, 2440 armored combat vehicles, 12,7 thousand field guns artillery and mortars, almost 1,1 thousand multiple launch rocket systems, about 2 thousand launchers .. The Air Force fleet includes: total - 1158 aircraft, including 646 combat ones. It consists of 80 N-5 bombers (Il-28), 50 fighter-bombers Su-7, Su-25, 421 fighter J-5 (Mig-17), J-6 (Mig-21), etc. The Navy has missile ships (URO frigates), destroyers, small anti-submarines ships, diesel torpedo submarines, small and very small submarines, tank landing ships, missile and torpedo boats, others ships and ships. The Navy is armed with anti-ship missiles of the ship-to-ship class of the Styx type, coastal artillery guns of the caliber 122, 130, 152 mm. Estimated estimates by many experts indicate that the DPRK is armed with Luna tactical missiles with a range of 55 km and Luna-M with 70 km, as well as Skad-V / S tactical missiles with 300 km, “ Nodon-1 "- 550-600 km," Tephodon "- 1500 km and" Tephodon-2 "- up to 7000 km. DPRK presumably has 50-200 Nodon 1 missiles and 500-600 Scud 2 missiles. To date, after testing a nuclear warhead with a capacity of 5-10 kilotons, the country supposedly has 6 nuclear charges. Since the mid-90s, Pyongyang has almost completely satisfied the needs of its army in artillery and small arms armaments, as well as individual types of military equipment. Korean enterprises produce self-propelled artillery mounts of the type M-1975 / -1977 / -1978 / -1981 / -1985 / -1989 / -1991. Based on Soviet models, the production of the Chongmakho tank and the M-1973 armored personnel carrier were arranged. Mig-29 fighter jets, spare parts for Mig-21 / -23 / -29, Su-25 aircraft are manufactured under the Soviet license. According to expert data, during the year, rocket science enterprises can produce up to 100 Scud V / S missiles, which allows them to be exported to other countries. Most of the naval personnel were built at North Korean shipyards. The military-political analysis of the state of the military power of North Korea is significantly complicated by the fact that this country is one of the most closed in the world. Therefore, some of the data is expert in nature, but according to the available information, it can be confidently judged that a powerful army equipped with nuclear weapons has been created in a poor country, and no one can underestimate it. http://www.tsiganok.ru/publications/esmi/doc/494
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger April 13 2013 23: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: Kaa
        Therefore, some of the data is expert in nature, but according to the available information, it can be confidently judged that a powerful army equipped with nuclear weapons has been created in a poor country, and no one can underestimate it.

        I do not scoff at proud Koreans, but treat with understanding and respect.
        But in your list there is not enough of another very secret fleet unit. I myself am naval, but then I confess, I caught a wedge. . .
        Specialists, we start a warm-up in wit (not maliciously, please, but sparklingly).
        Pay attention to the latest harpoon weapons with nuclear filling. And a man with a square-shaped apparatus in between provides a force field for protection against missiles, as in the movie "sea battle" with vicious bad guys -
        Quote from the cartoon - "My wife, Japan - hello and goodbye!"
        / click to enlarge /
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 13 2013 18: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: ochakow703
      and we just threw a neighbor

      read the Far Eastern and Amur press more often. These regions of Russia help the North Koreans with a little food, delegations and officials travel to each other to exchange experiences in agriculture and mechanical engineering. It's just that this news is not so important, so they are not covered at the federal level.
      and we have a good thread with Cuba, Syria, Vietnam. Recently, the AN-140 Russian assembly was delivered to Cuba. Well, I agree with Libya ..
  9. krokodil25
    krokodil25 April 13 2013 16: 09 New
    +4
    Well, who said there that the DPRK is not capable of anything and that many will surrender if the amers enter there their ass will be torn apart and their teeth broken !!! am angry am
    1. Thoroughbred
      Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 38 New
      -5
      What, excuse me, will they tear it apart? Ten killed T-62, or IL-28?
      1. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich April 14 2013 00: 01 New
        +5
        Quote: Purebred
        What, excuse me, will they tear it apart? Ten killed T-62, or IL-28

        I do not agree! The main thing in technology is People! And if the motivation is serious (to survive, probably serious), people for their homeland and using outdated technology to smash the adversary will be a good deal! Behind the shoulders of North Korean soldiers is their homeland, relatives and friends! And what will the Amer fight? Like "Uraaa, for Obama, for a hundred dollars !!!" Seriously, p_endosam this war will come out in such a hemorrhage, the Vietnamese company is resting ...
        1. Thoroughbred
          Thoroughbred April 14 2013 00: 11 New
          -5
          I’ll look at these people when another Maverick flies into them or they will be caught in the Apache forest with a thermal imager.
          1. AlNikolaich
            AlNikolaich April 14 2013 00: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: Purebred
            Apache with a thermal imager.

            I would not envy Apache. The thermal imager will not help if at the same time two dozen DShKs are scattered across it! Simple and effective! Cheap and primitive! Well, this Apache will have time to hit two machine-gun points, but what will the rest do with it?
            And yet, North Korea has a huge number of multiple launch rocket systems. Different sizes and calibers. Plus barrel artillery. Amer may be hastened by such a sea of ​​fire, but the South Koreans, if they grab it to the fullest, both for themselves and for the overseas guy!
            1. Thoroughbred
              Thoroughbred April 14 2013 00: 40 New
              -2
              All major threats will be delivered ahead of time by the A-10S and Su-34, and only then helicopters will go. MLRS are also immediately calculated from the air, they are visible at a glance.
            2. Warchief
              Warchief April 14 2013 00: 40 New
              -1
              And where did you get the idea that Apache will generally enter the affected area? AGM-114 flew in from behind the woods from behind the mountains and roasted Korean meat arrived in the blood of the gut.
              1. Thoroughbred
                Thoroughbred April 14 2013 00: 51 New
                -3
                What is the "loin" you know? That's it!
  10. Rustiger
    Rustiger April 13 2013 16: 13 New
    +7
    The author of a huge RESPECT!
    And our media are indelible disgrace for covering the situation in the DPRK in such, to put it mildly, dishonest way. Well at least tyrnet enlightens. From which I recently learned that it turns out to be in North Korea in 2008, they put on the assembly line production TABLET COMPUTERS. OUR !!! FROM ITS (almost) DETAILS !!!
    Of course, the fact and prom. espionage, and "gratuitous" help from the southerners or anyone else, but the country, which has lived in isolation for 60 years, has essentially outstripped the development of many giants. Russia has so far mastered only assembly, all comp. imports a complete set, at best. But basically it collects in blocks.
    I know what I'm saying, often I have to hold components in my hands. They are Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, even new processors on the last 2011 sockets, manufactured by Costa Rica (now I myself work under such conditions).
    So do it. conclusions who develops and who draws resources. Well, how not to fuss like that. . .
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger April 13 2013 16: 22 New
      +3
      Who cares about the lively Russian syllable and inimitable images. Please, Alexandr Andreich, to the microphone -

      Hold on, comrade Kim Jong-un!

      Another point on the world map is white-hot, ready to become a drop of fiery plasma, splash in all directions, turn into a global nuclear explosion. The nuclear forces of America and China, the young nuclear missile force of North Korea, the military capabilities of South Korea and Japan are involved in this deadly whirl. And close, too close is Russia to this infernal whirlwind.
      The armies of the countries mentioned are on alert. Missiles are targeted, propagandists are calling for war. Political machines reared up and scraped each other with steel claws. Whether there will be a war or not, the president and general staff do not know this. Conflict neuralgia is almost uncontrollable. One more step, and the psychic energy of hatred will unite with the energy of nuclear charges, and will blaze throughout the earth.
      North Korea is a unique country: a warrior country, a Stoic country, an unshakable hero country, for which the highest values ​​are independence and freedom, the inviolability of the path that the people once chose. And under bombs, slander, amid fierce threats and merciless propaganda of enemies, he built his amazing civilization, his red world, his precious crystal, which shimmers with thousands of faces that have already faded and faded on other continents. North Korea stores the gene of the world process that broke out at the beginning of the twentieth century since the October Revolution in Russia. He hoisted the red banner over the Reichstag, flew into space, painted the scarlet color of the world map two-thirds.
      The undefiled gene of communism lives in North Korea. The mission of North Korea, delegated to it by the rest of humanity, is to not succumb to pressure, not to flatten, not to turn into Jewish plasticine, which is inept and will flow into the gigantic slimy puddle that America is turning other countries and continents into. North Korea is struggling with the entropy of the world, defeating the heat death of humanity. It creates a crossroads where humanity is given a different choice, a different unique path. This is precisely the reason for the conflict, and this is what prompts America and its satellites to launch missiles at North Korea, move aircraft carriers to its shores, and hang orbital groups over its territory.

      . . . . .
    2. Rustiger
      Rustiger April 13 2013 16: 24 New
      +4
      Continued -

      A single, organized people, the army - his beloved brainchild, a first-class military industry - the fruit of many years of work and a nuclear missile system - the great result of the vigorous work of North Korean scientists and engineers. They showed the corrupted world, mired in vices and consumption, what a small, brilliantly organized people capable of, having a party and leaders, believing in a radiant star of a victorious future, is capable of.
      Today, when propaganda bombs explode over North Korea, when foreign diplomatic missions leave the country, when America moved its monstrous force to the Korean Peninsula, a plenary meeting of the Central Committee of the Labor Party of Korea was held in Pyongyang. It adopted a new strategic course: to simultaneously develop economic and nuclear construction. Respect the unity of the people, party and army, swear allegiance to the young leader - Comrade Kim Jong-un.
      Russia hears the cannonade destroying Syrian cities, turning the Middle East into a source of global war. He hears the drone behind the stern of American aircraft carriers, turning the Far East into a place of nuclear war. Russian pacifists who rely on American money in countless non-profit organizations continue to argue that Russia has no enemies and is not in danger. That the country between the three oceans, surrounded by foreign armies, powerful civilizations, can sleep peacefully, suck beer, laugh at the Comedy Club jokes.
      Russians, be afraid to believe in this lie. Russians, be afraid to fall into this jaws. The jerk that overcomes the twenty-year lag in the arms sphere is still relevant for Russia. The idea of ​​a strong army, a single country, national defense and the Russian Victory is still relevant.
      Comrade soldiers and sailors, sergeants and officers, generals and admirals, Comrade Supreme Commander! Put your arsenals on alert. Check the engines of the tanks, satellites satellites of the orbital groups, the flight time of tactical and strategic missiles.
      Comrade Kim Jong-un, do you want to know what Russian statesmen think about the events on the Korean peninsula? Invite Izborsk Club to the 38th parallel. We will hold our meeting under the sights of South Korean snipers.


      / April 11, 2013 Alexander Prokhanov /
    3. Vodrak
      Vodrak April 13 2013 17: 54 New
      +1
      What do you want from our media?
      Do you often see news about Syria on TV?
    4. Anti
      Anti April 13 2013 18: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Rustiger
      They are Malaysia, Indonesia, Bangladesh, even new processors on the last 2011 sockets, manufactured by Costa Rica (now I myself work under such conditions).
      So do it. conclusions who develops and who draws resources. Well, how not to fuss like that. . .


      Do not confuse, the countries you have listed, just collect these components, since there is cheap labor. But have you heard about domestic processors? Such as Elbrus and Multiclet. Accustomed to everything, his own and his own to lower and praise someone else's.
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger April 14 2013 08: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Anti
        Anti

        About the "cheap slave. Power" - this is understandable. Is it expensive in Russia? More expensive than in Japan or Europe?
        The production of high-tech products such as proces is a complete cycle. In addition to the production of semiconductor crystals. They are produced by no more than a dozen firms on the planet. Two (?) In Russia, but who saw the microcircuit for a wide consumer, made with us. Everything is piecewise and very expensive, not every research institute can afford them.

        Quote: Anti
        Accustomed to everything, his own and his own to lower and praise someone else's.


        I began to “praise” “not someone else’s”, but Koreans, with their ideas of juche, relying on their own strengths and ability to survive in a hostile world. And let it be “hungry,” but it turns out. Here's who we should take an example from ours (folk laughing wealth). Well, they do not bend under the globalists. No way. Closed and ready to defend their values. Doesn't it resemble the USSR in the era of the Iron Curtain? We then bought on legs, and now we are draining resources for our own crab meat and Swiss bruliki. I should be proud of it. Everything else is in the article and above. . .

        I go to Honda Sirvik (for 1.3 rubles), but I try to maintain my father’s old UAZ in a combat-ready condition. Give me the opportunity to buy a car (for example, Tolyatinskoe) with similar characteristics, easily change seats. This also applies to household appliances, etc. . .
  11. Clueless
    Clueless April 13 2013 16: 18 New
    +4
    Quote: VashEstambid
    Cave no, but beggar yes. The US and the EU send humanitarian aid to them every year, but they won’t even say thank you !!


    in 90 they sent us humanitarian aid too ...
  12. APASUS
    APASUS April 13 2013 16: 26 New
    +4
    Actually this is from the same story that happened with Libya !!
    There was unemployment benefits more than many in the country do not get paid.
    Yes, they are very mistaken in ideological terms, but sometimes I myself am ready to be so mistaken ........ recalling our modern "free" medicine, "free" education, etc.
  13. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 April 13 2013 17: 01 New
    +3
    Quote: Bad
    in 90 they sent us humanitarian aid too ...

    A huge part, which was immediately stolen or went into various so-called "commercial structures" and sold through stalls. Business, his mother ...
  14. sibircat
    sibircat April 13 2013 17: 15 New
    +2
    At the Higher School of Education, which I studied, there was a group of students from North Korea. They all walked with Kim Il-sung badges on their chests, something similar to our October badges. We decided to pin up, and one of ours was sent with a question to them: "Mao Zedong," he asked, pointing his finger at the badge. They together shook their heads negatively, then realized that they were being played, and were very offended. We, of course, for this joke, poured on the most I do not want.
    But, in general, the guys were very decent, and studied better than many of ours!
  15. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK April 13 2013 17: 40 New
    +3
    I personally saw the North Korea’s Internet back in 1990. They’re not that cave-like. The truth is, if the general of the army went in crumpled shape, it was from a lack of irons and not from a caveman. Education and medicine are free, although the quality of the medicine is not very good the lack of modern medical devices, and in Russia now pensioners will envy. Ordinary pensioners. The author of their rights now (North Koreans) is used to annoy us. And promise Russia to cover them with your * umbrella * in the event of an unprovoked attack on them and the ears of the staff will immediately come out and you can’t hide these ears from the whole world.
  16. Homo
    Homo April 13 2013 17: 45 New
    0
    Of course, I would support the DPRK. And the people there are hardworking and do not bend before the amers. But you shouldn’t bend over - “They were the ones who managed to create their medium-range missiles on a car chassis, which neither we nor the Americans could do. The North Koreans created their own tank, not much inferior to modern Russian tanks.” Something I don’t remember our crawler missiles, and mine only strategic missiles. And from what resources and on the basis of what technologies did they have super-tanks?
  17. SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS April 13 2013 17: 52 New
    +5
    Hold on to the DPRK! I hope ours will change their minds and stop throwing friends to their fate ... They will give an order - we will move forward immediately!
  18. SIBIR38RUS
    SIBIR38RUS April 13 2013 17: 54 New
    +3
    I believe that it is necessary to support our small but devoted allies, and take it under wing, the United States is unlikely to turn up then, and South Korea will once again very well think whether it is worth scorching in the DPRK.
    1. Urkodav
      Urkodav April 13 2013 18: 20 New
      +2
      That's right, zema! wink
    2. Thoroughbred
      Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 11 New
      -9
      Who is our ally? DPRK? Are you kidding me? The same South Caucasus is armed with Russian weapons, for example. Who is better to support - them, or crazy dictators?
      1. ultra
        ultra April 14 2013 22: 13 New
        0
        Quote: Purebred
        Who is better to support - them, or crazy dictators?
        IMHO ANYONE !!!! hi
  19. omsbon
    omsbon April 13 2013 17: 56 New
    0
    It seems to me that the truth, as always in the middle!
  20. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov April 13 2013 18: 03 New
    +7
    Well done northerners ... !!! Sensible Russians are with you ... Hold on to the last, otherwise the Libyan scenario awaits you ... I completely agree with Ivashov ...
    1. воронов
      воронов April 13 2013 18: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: Gorchakov
      Well done northerners ... !!! Sensible Russians are with you ... Hold on to the last, otherwise the Libyan scenario awaits you ... I completely agree with Ivashov ...

      I subscribe to these words !!!
      1. Thoroughbred
        Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 28 New
        -4
        Libyan script.

        Oh, Koreans will probably be fed though, no?
  21. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK April 13 2013 18: 07 New
    +2
    I’ll supplement sibircat The badges of the North Koreans with the image of Kim Il Sung have (in any case had previously) 7 different designs According to the degree of advancement on the party ladder. Accordingly and according to the degree of trust of the party and the state to the person who has the right to wear one or another badge
  22. Urkodav
    Urkodav April 13 2013 18: 16 New
    +3
    At the moment, North Korea is a good neighbor, with an honest, hardworking people and one of the most powerful army on the planet. Everything else is pro-Western husk.
    Friendly neighbors should be appreciated! Russia has few.
  23. Fox
    Fox April 13 2013 18: 16 New
    +1
    The media, of course, gamo ... but you read some comments, you go crazy. As if the "commentators" themselves lived in the UK or on the map they know where to find it, they confidently talk about hunger, caves, stupidity .... and think with your head No way? I won’t blame the mirror if the mug is crooked.
  24. воронов
    воронов April 13 2013 18: 20 New
    0
    It's time for us to really support North Korea
  25. antidote
    antidote April 13 2013 18: 29 New
    +2
    Ivashev, as always, laid out everything on the shelves Well done. Excellent comment!
    1. Thoroughbred
      Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 02 New
      +3
      I completely agree. DPRK has reached impressive heights! In this photo you can clearly see what progress has been made in agriculture and the village. Abundance and prosperity! And the IL-28 is just with modernization!
    2. avt
      avt April 13 2013 20: 16 New
      +5
      Quote: antidot
      Ivashev, as always, laid out everything on the shelves Well done. Excellent comment!

      I share your delight laughing True, I could read only this one ------ ,, It was they who managed to create their medium-range missiles on a car chassis, which neither we nor the Americans could do. North Koreans created their own tank, not much inferior to modern Russian tanks. "----- good laughing laughingI could not continue, but I believe that it is cleverly written.
      1. Thoroughbred
        Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 19 New
        -3
        This, as it were, casts doubt on his "analyst" in general. Is not it so?
      2. albert
        albert April 13 2013 21: 41 New
        +4
        For some reason, Ivashov forgot about the medium-range Pioneer complex belay
  26. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk April 13 2013 18: 38 New
    -7
    Ivashev is more like an alcoholic with a squint. And the DPRK population is just biorobots with brainwashed, without will, and so on. Normal people would have long overthrown the Kimovs, for their regime is inhuman.
  27. Prinse
    Prinse April 13 2013 18: 44 New
    0
    Yes, we already got all the showdowns. Do not want to live peacefully kill each other and calm down
  28. deman73
    deman73 April 13 2013 19: 08 New
    +1
    The article is excellent, everything is clearly written and clear, and in all this confrontation there are amers who are playing their cards, while the Koreans that the South are northern and the bargaining chip is rotten in their affairs, the Amers do not like the growing influence of neither the Chinese nor ours, etc.
  29. Kolya
    Kolya April 13 2013 19: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: VashEstambid
    In North Korea, we have established stable cliches that this is almost a cave country


    Cave no, but beggar yes. The US and the EU send humanitarian aid to them every year, but they won’t even say thank you !!

    This West teaches the world that they are giving humanitarian aid, but in fact they are negotiating a slowdown in North Korea for certain industries. States for free can only bomb, although even then they say pay for democracy that they brought with their weapons. Where the States are, there is always and everywhere trouble for independent nations. "If you walk like a duck, quack like a duck, then there is a high probability that this is a duck."
  30. Vtel
    Vtel April 13 2013 19: 19 New
    +3
    They are terribly afraid that liberal ideas may enter Korea.

    And they’re doing it right. Liberals are a "plague" from which we still need to be treated and treated.
    1. Thoroughbred
      Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 02 New
      -2
      Yes! There is no Stalin on them! Repression is good!
  31. Belogor
    Belogor April 13 2013 19: 21 New
    +4
    Just the DPRK does not want the fate of Iraq and Libya, and here it demonstrates what it can stand up for. And in the role of the 1st defender, let China be better. Russia is not enough for all those offended, it would be time to take into account historical experience, there were half-world friends, and where are they now?
    1. Alex Nick
      Alex Nick April 13 2013 23: 48 New
      +2
      were friends half the world and where are they now? They found more generous
      1. I think so
        I think so April 14 2013 19: 52 New
        -1
        They found more SMART and ORDERED and JUST, who did not betray their allies, did not destroy their country for the sake of the overseas uncle, did not spread their own people with reforms, did not give their land to thieves ... so that before there were many friends not because of money , but because of TRUTH and JUSTICE. And today's Russia has lost these values ​​...
  32. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe April 13 2013 19: 52 New
    +2
    A few comments on the article:

    to remind you that North Korea is a space power that launches satellites

    At the beginning of the 21st century, the launch of a single satellite into low Earth orbit is no longer a sign of a highly developed industry. Launching the simplest satellite companion became easier than building a passenger jet

    Another factor is the survival of this state.

    The survival of the Kim Jong Yrov / Eun regime is due solely to help from China.
    Beijing’s bestial position has an obvious logical explanation: China does not need a united Korea as an extra competitor in the world market.

    Remember that after the fall of the Soviet Union, Cuba and North Korea, which focused on economic cooperation with the USSR and the social camp, remained in isolation.

    I didn’t stay. DPRK is supported by China.

    The article by Leonid Ivashov is designed for younger students, pure populism and nothing more. Not a drop of serious analytics and the reflection of real sitation on the Korean Peninsula.

    A small moment - after the Korean War, in the northern part of the peninsula, which became the territory of the DPRK, almost all hydroelectric power stations remained. Hydroelectric power stations have become a symbol and pride of North Korea, the image of the hydroelectric power station is present on the country's coat of arms. 60 years passed - power generation in the DPRK remained unchanged. Electricity generation in South Korea exceeds the DPRK level by 20 times!
    1. postman
      postman April 13 2013 20: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      Small moment

      For such seditious thoughts, TO THE WALL OF YOU. FOR SIGNIFICANTLY. yes
      =======================
      Not only China, but also the Russian Federation (more than $ 8 official debt only)
      24% of North Koreans employed in agriculture cannot feed 21 million inhabitants.
      7% of South Koreans employed in agricultural households feed 51 million of their own (+ up to 1,5 million foreigners who live there permanently) _ for export: fish, mushrooms, fruits, soybeans)
      In South Korea, one of the most developed shipbuilding industries in the world.
      ==========================
      This fat barchuk (S, Crown Emperor)
      EATING FOR ANOTHER'S ACCOUNT (480 000 tons of food) and scares the whole world .. Ya. Dubinka.
      Destroy - definitely
      (Threat I do not need a little stick)
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe April 13 2013 21: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Postman
        Destroy - definitely

        The Japanese spy, the Postman, is inciting the working people of the whole world to reprisal the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the only country steadfastly fighting against rotten American imperialism.

        Postman's provocative speeches about the amount of soy and mushrooms grown have nothing to do with reality. Pro-American propaganda is powerless in its lies - the main rebuttal of talk about hunger in the DPRK is well-fed muzzle (censored) physiognomy of a successful young North Korean leader!

        Hands off from the DPRK !!!
        Prick Comrade to the postman !!!
        Quote: Postman
        This fat velvet

        He is not fat. The legally elected leader of North Korea, chairman Kim Jong-un, has a metabolic disorder in the body.
        I dare to assure the public that this does not affect the brain activity of the young successful leader of North Korea. The guy has achieved everything himself and more than once promises to "burn the whole world in a nuclear flame"
        1. postman
          postman April 14 2013 00: 06 New
          0
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Japanese spy postman incites

          First: NOT JAPANESE
          Secondly: you can answer for defamation under the Criminal Code (ask Smirnov, he’s an expert), I’ll bring a note to the police department, then you will sing differently.
          Thirdly, try to give me a reasoned answer, WHY US (USSR, RF) have all “friends”, “partners”, which are kind of milder, with a sweetheart.
          Hitler (will begin now), Polpot (hammered 1 citizens with hoes), Nelson Mandeila (cannibal or his cannibal's wife). Arafat, who Yasser, TERORIST No. 500, was another in Africa (I don’t remember his name), loved the human fingers, Hussein, the one from Iran, Papa Assad (Christian schoolgirls were raped and their front teeth knocked out by him) .. . and so on and so forth (cited only the most odious.
          At a glance, the decent only one comes, Fidel, and yes, Louis Carvalan also, it seems)
          ??????????????????
          The argument that the United States has the same shit is not rolling. To me in the USA, by the drum.
          ?
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe April 14 2013 00: 41 New
            0
            Quote: Postman
            First: NOT JAPANESE

            Dual CIA agent and Mossad
            Quote: Postman
            I’ll bring a certificate to the police department, then you will sing differently

            I will bring another help

            Quote: Postman
            Thirdly, try to give me a reasoned answer, WHY US (USSR, RF) have all “friends”, “partners”, which are kind of milder, with a sweetheart.

            Because we are for world peace.
            Quote: Postman
            there was another one in Africa (I don’t remember the name) -love of the fried human fingers,

            Emperor Bokassa))

            Berserk Hugo, Great Helmsman Mao, and of course

            His Excellency Life-President, Field Marshal Al-Haji Doctor Go amine, Lord of all animals on earth and fish in the sea, Conqueror of the British Empire in Africa in general and in Uganda in particular, Knight of the Order of the “Victoria Cross”, “Military Cross” and the Order “For Military Merit” (for the mistake made when using the name Idi Amin tribesmen paid their lives)

            He considered Adolf Hitler his teacher and idol, and even intended to erect a monument to the Fuhrer, but was stopped by the Soviet Union, which, although supporting Amin, was still more likely to be shocked by him.

            He declared war on the United States in order to call himself the winner the next day.

            He was not opposed to bite a little man and treat her dear guests. He said that the human meat is very salty in taste.

            Quote: Postman
            The argument that the US has the same shit

            Freedom Angela Davis!
          2. AlNikolaich
            AlNikolaich April 14 2013 00: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: Postman

            First: NOT JAPANESE

            Yeah, that the Japanese do not agree, but for the spy does not mind! wink
            Rzhunemagu patstalom! Hitler and Polpot are friends of the USSR laughing You still forgot to add Franco here and Augusto Pinochet!
            1. postman
              postman April 14 2013 03: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: AlNikolaich
              but for the spy does not mind!

              Japanese all in 1935-1941, then they shot him ...

              A spy, he's a scout, but in fact:

              Loan. in the XVIII century. out of it. language in which Spion <ital. spione, old borrowing from germany. ide., the same root as German. spähen - "track down, peep."


              Quote: AlNikolaich
              Rzhunemagu patstalom!

              "pattzalom" more comfortable?
              Quote: AlNikolaich
              Franco forgot to add and Augusto Pinochet

              With Franco and with Pinochet, there were NO agreements on friendship, mutual assistance, as well as economic ones.
              And we weren’t friends and we didn’t hold parades together and we didn’t train military specialists, well, etc.
              "Sort" is still a bit, can oats be poured? repeat
              /this is a joke/
    2. dmitreach
      dmitreach April 13 2013 23: 39 New
      +1
      about the hydroelectric station is curious.
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe April 14 2013 01: 12 New
        +2
        Amazing A country with a power station on the emblem sits without light))
        1. avt
          avt April 14 2013 13: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Amazing A country with a power station on its emblem sits without light)

          fool This is a light disguise! laughing laughing There really is one spot - this is the light in the window of the leader, he does not sleep at night, he thinks about the people. Not that you are oohlers.
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe April 14 2013 16: 29 New
            +2
            Quote: avt
            This is a light disguise!

            stealth country
            Quote: avt
            There really is one spot - this is the light in the window of the leader

            By the way, the border is clearly visible along the 38-th parallel. Neither one nor the other are stingy on the spotlights.
    3. knn54
      knn54 April 14 2013 15: 10 New
      +1
      Oleg- China does not need a united Korea, as an extra competitor in the world market.
      A STRONG, UNITED KOREA with a powerful army, economy and science, with its own ideology, is not needed either by the Russian Federation, the United States or Japan ...
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe April 14 2013 16: 30 New
        0
        Quote: knn54
        A STRONG, UNITED KOREA with a powerful army, economy and science, with its own ideology, is not needed either by the Russian Federation, the United States or Japan ...

        On the one hand
        On the other hand, this is a good bandwagon in China.
  33. Ilyukha
    Ilyukha April 13 2013 19: 54 New
    +3
    And these dictators of Kim are talented. Zombie the whole nation so that the third generation reigns supreme in this fabulous kingdom of Juche's ideas.
    Stalin nervously smokes a pipe. The students greatly exceeded the teacher))
    1. itkul
      itkul April 13 2013 21: 43 New
      -3
      Quote: Ilyukha
      And these dictators of Kim are talented. Zombie the whole nation so that the third generation reigns supreme


      So dictators are all like that, and Lukashenko drags the boy everywhere along with him, prepares a shift
  34. Thoroughbred
    Thoroughbred April 13 2013 19: 55 New
    +3
    By the way, I’ll probably remind local schoolchildren what delicious and nutritious grass tastes:
    http://www.interfax.ru/world/txt.asp?id=258875

    http://bigpicture.ru/?p=213990

    You will certainly say that this is Photoshop and that you have chosen for filming the worst, and that under "communism" life is sweet.
    1. Ilyukha
      Ilyukha April 13 2013 20: 01 New
      +2
      That's right. It would be nice for these "romantics" to live on their own, as in North Korea. Mind, maybe, will increase.
      1. Thoroughbred
        Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 03 New
        0
        Wait, they want to live under Stalin. Then already in the DPRK.
  35. Thoroughbred
    Thoroughbred April 13 2013 19: 57 New
    +1
    This girl says to us: "Thank you Ivashov. A competent article, you are right! These are the machinations of the State Department and American stamps!"



    1. aksakal
      aksakal April 13 2013 21: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Purebred
      that girl says to us: "Thank you Ivashov. A competent article, you are right! These are the machinations of the State Department and American stamps!"
      - So what? Yesterday I returned from a business trip by train, at the train station in Almaty I saw exactly the same homeless girl, asked me not to throw out a bottle of beer and give it to her - what does that prove, a mongrel? Well, Kazakhstan’s mud fields, listen? You think Ivashov’s a senile, damn it, consider it, although my opinion is that you are as far from Ivashov as the moon, so read another expert - Poor North Korea wants only one thing: to be left alone. All its demarches are methods of reflexive control, opposition to the subjects of conflict. In addition, one cannot but take into account that for almost 70 years they have been living in virtually wartime conditions, an external blockade. Naturally, nerves can pass.

      Korea itself is not the first to go anywhere. This is a very peaceful country. In the Korean ethnic mentality, there are completely no dogmatic grounds for aggressive behavior. The leaders of Korea are not at all. The external aggressiveness of the state, as can be shown on the basis of Lefebvre's theory of reflexive control, is a rational behavioral strategy of the weak.
      - This is Kovalev on a neighboring branch. Do you consider yourself smarter than them? I hasten to disappoint - I read your posts - the impression - you are squalor, but imagining yourself advanced and smart. I didn’t subtract anything clever from you, but criticizing without any reason and facts is very much welcome. Believe me. Go and learn.
      And what is your post about? Does this girl need to invade the DPRK? Believe me, there are a lot of such girls in train stations in Russia, because Russia is a more worthy target for an attack. Call for an attack on Russia, as long as you cite such girls as an argument for an attack.
      Quote: Ilyukha
      Now you will be declared an American spy)
      - is it about you, or something, a mongrel? laughing laughing Sorry for America if she has such spies laughing
      1. Thoroughbred
        Thoroughbred April 13 2013 21: 11 New
        -2
        The horse understands that the DPRK is head over heels ... what can I talk about? Kazakhstan has nothing to do with it, just the DPRK itself is a homeless country.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal April 14 2013 17: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Purebred
          just the DPRK itself is a homeless country.

          let me disagree with your definition of the DPRK as a homeless country. Look at the photo in the subject - clean and comfortable, it’s not at all the picture that the liberally directed media draw for us.
          The DPRK, it is the DPRK with precisely such behavior that the States need. And then, under what pretext would Russia deploy ships with missile defense and Aegis next to Russia and China? The DPRK provides an excellent occasion and an excellent excuse, all you need to do is to catch the fear on Kim Jong-un with the help of provocative exercises. Need DPRK and China for its reasons. Conclusion - while beneficial to global players, the DPRK will exist. And even for some time it will exist when there is no power left that is interested in the existence of the DPRK, due to the instinct of self-preservation.
          If the United States would have been so sick for the "poor and oppressed North Korean" people, they would have long ago agreed with North Korean leaders to weaken the "put" regime. It is possible to weaken the bonds of the regime with the help of war. Just calculate the costs of amers in this case. Amer can defeat the DPRK only by the widespread use of precision weapons (WTO), at all levels. On the global - with the help of the Tomahawks, on the subglobal - with tactical missiles, on the local - with the use of Hellfire missiles. It is useless to fight the DPRK without the WTO; they themselves will teach anyone they want to use conventional weapons. As a result, a good dozen trillions into the pipe for the war with the DPRK. Yes, offer a trillion to Kim Jong-un together with the abolition of all sanctions - and he will hold fair elections (though he himself will win and will win a good ten years, because social inertia is a tangible amount, weighty alternative politicians will not appear in the DPRK in ten years!) , and even allow the population to some extent a private initiative, especially since China is also pushing on the DPRK. That is, liberating the "poor and oppressed" people of the DPRK will cost 10 times cheaper than declaring war! Conclusion - The United States does not need this, the “poor and oppressed” people of the DPRK The United States is "a light bulb", they have completely different goals, and they are absolutely inhumane!
      2. Ilyukha
        Ilyukha April 13 2013 21: 22 New
        -2
        Judging by your appeals to the participants, "mongrel" "squalor", etc. you are at the level of the station bum you mentioned. Go to your environment.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal April 14 2013 13: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Ilyukha
          Judging by your appeals to the participants, "mongrel" "squalor", etc. you are at the level of the station bum you mentioned. Go to your environment.
          - I have the right when they give me outright bullshit - there and Misanthrope famously lower (or higher?) noticed. There will be no other treatment, do not wait. Until you provide more informed conclusions that the Kim Jong-un regime needs to be denied the right to exist. Podstavki with girls do not channel. And the fact that there is an interview with the Spaniard, which clearly states that everything is not so bad in the DPRK, moreover, there is no terrible social scourge in the form of drugs, is already sowing doubts about your adequacy, dearly. And therefore, I do not intend to talk with you in a different tone, and I will not. You still do not deserve this tone, but already present something laughing
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop April 14 2013 00: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: Purebred
      This girl says to us: "Thank you Ivashov. A competent article, you are right! These are the machinations of the State Department and American stamps!"
      These are not cliches. This is a setup. It was especially touched as this tormented North Korean famously cuts into a tongue twister in English. Yes, and answers, without braking and without asking again. One question: "Which of the languages ​​is native to her?" English or Korean? winked Or are they all in a multi-year blockade, all polyglots?
  36. Thoroughbred
    Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 06 New
    +2
    By the way, about Ivash’s insanity about "It was they who managed to create their medium-range missiles on a car chassis, which neither we nor the Americans could do" is without comment. A poplar is a type of lower tech. level than current DPRK crafts?
    1. Ilyukha
      Ilyukha April 13 2013 20: 13 New
      -2
      Ivashov also believes in the presence of aliens and UFOs, read his snowstorm on this topic. Well, of course, the authorities are hiding it.
      The writing uncle is very (in the sense, he writes all the time), and, see, doctors are not allowed to see him.
      1. Thoroughbred
        Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 15 New
        0
        Have you read Maxim Kalashnikov?
        1. Ilyukha
          Ilyukha April 13 2013 20: 21 New
          0
          Started. And closed. I can’t, education does not allow)
          1. Thoroughbred
            Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 23 New
            0
            Sodomy is still that. But I read though. "Broken sword", sort of.
      2. almost demobil
        almost demobil April 14 2013 06: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Ilyukha
        Ivashov also believes in the presence of aliens and UFOs, read his snowstorm on this subject

        What do you have against UFOs? Since they themselves have not seen then they are not? Off-topic, but I personally saw 2 times — in Monino near Moscow, all students of the Air Force Academy were staring for half an hour on a dumbbell that suddenly disappeared, and in Omsk in 1994-1995 I watched about the whole city. My father, the MIG-25 pilot, was personally accompanied ball when accelerating to the stratosphere, then this crap overtook him and almost vertically went up. I didn’t report on the radio, and after landing I went and reported to the regiment, they are friends, I was advised not to sing among others, or else they’ll be suspended from flights, and besides Moreover, he said that his father was not the only one in the regiment, but did not say his last name as his father did not ask.
        And you’re making a fool of Ivashov, it’s not good.
        I remembered:
        - "See the gopher?"
        -"No"
        - "And I do not see, but he is!"
      3. Misantrop
        Misantrop April 14 2013 11: 11 New
        0
        Quote: Ilyukha
        Ivashov also believes in the presence of aliens and UFOs
        That's right, no need to believe. And special intelligence departments, annually fixing REAL cases of contact with incomprehensible equipment and phenomena, close the fuck, parasites. And stones cannot fall from the sky, right the French academy laughing
  37. Ilyukha
    Ilyukha April 13 2013 20: 07 New
    0
    Now you will be declared an American spy)
  38. Thoroughbred
    Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 13 New
    +3
    North Koreans created their own tank, not much inferior to modern Russian tanks.

    A complete paragraph is simple. Is it our T-62 hung with rubber-fabric panels that are flush with the T-90MS, or at least the ancient T-72B !?
    1. Ilyukha
      Ilyukha April 13 2013 20: 28 New
      +3
      Damn him, with this miracle tank. It’s dangerous when the atomic bomb is in the hands of a hereditary dictator.
      The whole world hopes that the crown red king is at least a little sane.
      1. Thoroughbred
        Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 30 New
        +1
        They have not yet mastered the compact warhead, so they will not abandon it. Anyway, this is provided that the crap underground in a couple of kilotons was in fact an atomic explosion. They are bluffing, obviously.
        1. v53993
          v53993 April 13 2013 20: 38 New
          0
          You are an optimist however. Today, even Honduras is able to throw a 500 kg warhead not only to its close neighbors, but also to those who are far away.
          Although your opinion is useful as a sedative for the United States, Japan and South. Korea
          1. Thoroughbred
            Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 40 New
            +1
            But they really have not yet mastered the compact warhead. “Honduras” is not capable of this.
  39. ksenofont7
    ksenofont7 April 13 2013 20: 14 New
    +1
    I liked the article.
    1. Thoroughbred
      Thoroughbred April 13 2013 21: 15 New
      -4
      But what? Did you like the insanity of a stubborn drug addict?
      1. Ilyukha
        Ilyukha April 13 2013 21: 30 New
        +1
        Let the man like the article. Maybe he is a doctor, and he diagnosed the author)))
  40. v53993
    v53993 April 13 2013 20: 22 New
    +1
    In the DPRK, the people are simple but proud. And their leader expresses the will of the people. Therefore, they are not victorious, as are Venezuela and Belarus.
    1. v53993
      v53993 April 13 2013 20: 28 New
      0
      What a bastard .. you minus quietly? Respond Judas.
      1. Thoroughbred
        Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 31 New
        +1
        I did not minus, but you are wrong.
        1. v53993
          v53993 April 13 2013 20: 44 New
          0
          I am right because I have two higher military education, including the Academy and 30 years of service in the linear (non-staff) units, of which 5 years as a unit commander.
          1. Thoroughbred
            Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 48 New
            +2
            No. You're not right.
          2. svp67
            svp67 April 13 2013 21: 02 New
            +4
            Alas, my experience says that this is not enough in order to pretend to the title, namely the "herald of the final truth."
            You are all the same in the discussion, and not the setting of tasks. Here everyone is equal ...
          3. almost demobil
            almost demobil April 14 2013 16: 25 New
            0
            v539A
            you do not explain what the "linear parts"? Is this a type of both a linear battleship and a linear part-battleship? I served not 30, but only 27,5 years, which is probably why I have not heard of such people.
            I will remember your phrase “I am right because I have 2 higher educations” and will pass it on to children as an example of an irresistible argument.
  41. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 April 13 2013 20: 32 New
    +6
    The author is absolutely right, the North Koreans, unlike the southern ones, did not become lackeys of foreign invaders and without any foreign investments furnished them on all counts.
    As for economic difficulties, this is not the fault of the DPRK leadership, it is the fault of the villains who betrayed the USSR and Russia, it is the fault of the spotted Judas Gorbi and the drunk Beni Reltsyn.
    Introduce an embargo on food imports to Small Britain and after 3-4 months there, half of the population will die of hunger. Introduce an embargo on the import of energy into the USA and in 2-3 months half of the states will be left without electricity.
    1. Thoroughbred
      Thoroughbred April 13 2013 20: 34 New
      +1
      Of course. With a bare backside, hungry, poor, they can’t establish electricity in 2013, but they did not become lackeys. Go to success, in short. The blank was launched into space.
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk April 13 2013 20: 48 New
      0
      North Koreans lackeys of China, South Korea overtakes the North in all respects by 40 years. Russia does not owe anything to the Koreans. In case of problems, the UK has food for several years to come, so they can organize almost everything at home without problems. In the event of an embargo, the states will begin to develop oil in Alaska, their nuclear energy is several times greater than the Russian one. De jure, both Korean governments are legal
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 April 14 2013 12: 44 New
        +1
        Nonsense of a complete idiot.
        South Korea is not a state, but a branch of the USA, has nothing of its own.
        There is no food in the United Kingdom for several years ahead, the Germans in the Great Patriotic War nearly arranged a complete blockade of the island, they immediately introduced a distribution card system.
        If in Alaska it was economically profitable to produce oil, the Yusovites would have pumped everything out there long ago. And there will not be enough gas for a long time there.
        http://www.np-sr.ru/norem/information/foreignelectricity/#8
        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%E4%E8%ED%E0%FF_%FD%ED%E5%F0%E3%E5%F2%E8%F7%E5%F
        1%EA%E0%FF_%F1%E8%F1%F2%E5%EC%E0_%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%E8
    3. Ilyukha
      Ilyukha April 13 2013 20: 50 New
      0
      Hitler already introduced the embargo on food imports to the UK in 1940. Submarines and aircraft. Even the lawns in Buckingham Palace were planted with potatoes. Nobody died out. And we were loaded with tanks and planes under Lend-Lease.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal April 15 2013 00: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Ilyukha
        Even the lawns in Buckingham Palace were planted with potatoes. Nobody died out. And we were loaded with tanks and planes under Lend-Lease.
        - Give the facts that in these conditions of the German blockade, the English population was rich and their standard of living increased. Can you prove this fact? I will change the tone in this case if you can prove that you can live happily in the conditions of the blockade. By the way, prove this fact to elderly Leningraders as well, you will like their answer. Then follow to where the respected Leningraders point you.
  42. dmitreach
    dmitreach April 13 2013 20: 32 New
    +4
    Stamps are bad, but it is necessary / possible to idealize .... Leonid Grigoryevich in his repertoire.
    I don’t know how in the role of the President of the Russian Federation, but in the role of the representative of the Russian Federation at the North Atlantic Treaty Organization - this is the place to be remembered.

    I know that they will blame me, but I will express myself.
    With 24 million inhabitants and a nuclear baton, what kind of army is needed?
    More than a million, with the presence of a mobility reserve of about 8 lyam people (?!) Plus the probability of a nuclear baton ... In the DPRK? In a closed country? With a difficult terrain? Oh oh I think the real numbers are much higher. It is easier to subtract social groups that are not subject to appeal. Probably disabled and retired, although not a fact. A teenager shooting at the back of an occupier is a historical fact, not a movie stick.
    However, with regard to geography multiplied by the army and navy, the DPRK is not Libya or Iraq (and not even Israel). DPRK - Headache for invaders and excellent terrain for defenders and partisans. Given that they also dug up in the mountains of tunnels ... This is the Country-Fortress. (With the exception of rice fields, although ... who knows?)
    The territory of the state is predominantly mountainous, rugged by many valleys and ravines. Coastal lowlands are relatively large only in the western part of the country. There are many reserves, national parks, mountains, forests, rivers, waterfalls in the country.

    AmeriGanssy doesn’t go there even if the DPRK army is ten times smaller, but with the same weapons, and most importantly, the same ideology!

    There are historical parallels. The Finns in 1939, militarily, the same were relatives of the USSR. Karl Gustav Emil Mannerheim - Lieutenant General of the Russian Imperial Army. In 1939 he gave a light! Dzhokhar Musaevich Dudaev - Major General of Aviation, the only Chechen general in the Soviet Army. What he piled up in Grozny! Do you think Americans would do better than the feds? No problem! Muhammad Farah Aidid is a Somali military and political figure, the self-proclaimed president of Somalia, and the legendary Battle in Mogadishu. Did any of the three mentioned have a nuclear baton, or Kalash + motivation? You can still mention the Vietnamese, with their holes in the ground.
    Conclusion: amers do not poke their head in the DPRK, being in their right mind and bright memory. And then there is the likelihood of a nuclear club looming.
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach April 13 2013 20: 33 New
      +4
      But questions arise!
      If the DPRK is so "successful" in economic self-isolation, then what is the relationship with ideologically close China or a friendly RF? I'm already silent about the Union State a'la Russia-Belarus (EEA - just fantastic). But North Korea, at a certain point, had the beginnings of economic relations with the South, in the field of engineering. Now it seems to be suspended. As they say, their ideology would be Songun, but for the benefit of workers and peasants ... With their performance, Nokia and Samsung would have more competitors!
      Medicine, do you say there? ... ohh. Of course, they also produce defibrillators and similar complicated equipment ... like machines. I'm not talking about MRI technology (Magnetic Resonance Imaging). But there are no problems with cancer patients, tuberculosis after the famine in the 90s, of course. This is the DPRK! They have all the cimus! And it cannot be otherwise. I’m keeping silent about the black market for medicines that still need to be managed to "get" ...
      Is education there? No question, honorable! Well they have technology of the 60s, even in rocket science? China, for a moment, is stepping on Russia’s heels, although it cannot repeat the engines for its Su columns, while the DPRK saves the resource of aircraft built in the 50s. So much for the "education". Studying "a short course in the history of the CPSU (b) in Korean" is one thing, but when new types of equipment come into service, it's completely different. Why, in the presence of education, do not we put an equal sign with China? Do they have other laws of physics that Kim ended up with?
      They flew into space. Good. However, if China were “not loved by the brain” and developed with the PRC, then besides the ISS in orbit, something else comparable would hang out. But this is not from science fiction. Especially when for the sake of “such a cosmos” the whole country sits without light.
      What prevents Finland from being in the Cold War era or Belarus today (under the patronage of the PRC)? Or does someone think that someone will dare to offend our Old Man while there is a Union? However, Belarus has never been North Korea.
      What is the reason? Economic isolation? Juche Ideas? Or is it Songun politics?
      From an idealistic point of view, everything is emasculated there, as in other religions. But in fact?
      The guests on this site are still arguing about the appropriateness of the motley fleet "according to Gorshkov", or about the meaning of having 3 MBT in service, because this undermines the country's economy. They argue about the Omerigi military budget as an example of wastefulness. They argue about Libya with Syria and mention Yugoslavia. They even argue about the prevention of legalization of CCW among ordinary mortals, because it’s nefig (we are all heavy minds, we shoot ourselves). And at the same time they admire the political system that stopped in the Middle Ages!
      Just evil Omeryg? To live there yourself? Not? I can not understand your logic. You cannot stand pedophiles in Holland, fascists in Latvia and morons in Georgia, and there are also Ideological Patriots there. And the DPRK, with their national flavor - is good and truly true! Where is the honesty? Or are we likened to the Omerigan SS in everything and Eun - became "our son of a bitch"? Just to evil everyone?
      Threat. Wits say women of the Reich, from Hitler's speeches - they experienced an orgasm. And you will not object, the patriot’s sparking, mLя.
      1. sibircat
        sibircat April 13 2013 21: 20 New
        0
        Stamps are bad, but it is necessary / possible to idealize .... Leonid Grigoryevich in his repertoire.

        I do not agree with all your arguments.
        However, plus! Since not many here, how do you substantively defend your point of view.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach April 13 2013 23: 10 New
          0
          Thanks for your kind words. hi
  43. Ilyukha
    Ilyukha April 13 2013 20: 41 New
    +7
    Quote: v53993
    In the DPRK, the people are simple but proud. And their leader expresses the will of the people. Therefore, they are not victorious, as are Venezuela and Belarus.

    Well done, compared) Belarus and Venezuela are completely open countries, you can come and go freely.
    The DPRK is a prison in which for 60 years the doors have been locked, and the keys are in the Kim dynasty.
    A friend of mine, working at an aircraft engine repair plant, was on a business trip there, repairing TVZ-117 engines for Mi-8.
    They lived in a forest, in a dormitory. They drove to the airfield in a bus. There were no contacts with the local population at all, it was forbidden, he didn’t see them. He was there, but did not know anything about the country. In general, two months behind the fence and under guard . What else is not clear?
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 13 2013 21: 49 New
      0
      It means that he showed little interest! It was necessary at night to quietly stamp the keys to the barracks, where they lived, and watch the night life of the DPRK forward. This, by the way, is not banter, there is one journalist, he did so (in nete you can find his photo report with comments)
      1. Ilyukha
        Ilyukha April 13 2013 22: 08 New
        0
        He’s already a middle-aged man, he’s not interested in adventure. Besides, local people will see the European, they will surrender for sure.
        He repaired engines from Mi-8 for years in Africa, South America, India, he knows all countries.
        But he knows nothing about the DPRK, although he was. There he saw:
        1.Fence
        2. Convoy (introduced themselves as guides)
        3. The workshop at the airport
        4. A community in the forest.
        All
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 April 13 2013 22: 31 New
          +1
          They didn’t even take them on excursions? Hard to believe (no offense). They, by the way, are very hospitable people, especially for those who help them
    2. aksakal
      aksakal April 15 2013 00: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Ilyukha
      The DPRK is a prison in which for 60 years the doors have been locked, and the keys are in the Kim dynasty.
      “I won’t enter it at all, what’s the matter to you that the DPRK is a prison?” Although the very concept of "DPRK prison" is in doubt. Here are the links, read: http: //warfiles.ru/show-22727-grozit-li-golod-kndr.html
      and here: http://www.vz.ru/economy/2005/10/31/11353.html
      Well, do not get into the DPRK. As they mature before the reforms, they are being reformed. Whether they will follow the Chinese path of reform, whether Vietnamese or Singaporean, is a small matter for us. If they don’t go for reforms, it means they’re so good. Then we care less about them, let them be happy! What are you climbing if the North Korean people themselves are not asking for this? At least one athlete at the Olympics (meanwhile, the sport is very well set up, which already indicates that the sport industry itself is at the level and medicine - because without sports medicine there are no top sports achievements, so Dmitrich, you're wrong at all!) political asylum? No? What's the question? So, their LIFESTYLE IS COMPLETELY FACING! Then why the hell are you, Ilyukha, trying to justify US interference in the affairs of the DPRK? Provocative exercises in South Korea with the development of a preemptive strike, Libya, Yugoslavia, etc. quite rightly make the North Korean authorities nervous! And once again I ask - leave the DPRK alone - let it live as it wants, wants to live in a big prison - let it live like that!
      Surprisingly, I, by no means a convinced democrat, am much more democratic and more loyal to dissent and a different way of life than those who proudly call themselves "democrat" and "liberal" laughing Everything mixed up in the Oblonsky house!
  44. Day 11
    Day 11 April 13 2013 20: 57 New
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    By the way, men, there is one good site (or rather a blog) about the DPRK-go, read. Pretty entertaining reading, I tell you. Don’t count on objectivity, but people from their KGB are trying to show how they all fuck ... then. Read also comments after each article of our ghouls (and not only) - enjoy ------- www.juche-songun.livejournal.com
  45. Ilyukha
    Ilyukha April 13 2013 20: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: Krasnoyarets
    North Koreans lackeys of China, South Korea overtakes the North in all respects by 40 years. Russia does not owe anything to the Koreans. In case of problems, the UK has food for several years to come, so they can organize almost everything at home without problems. In the event of an embargo, the states will begin to develop oil in Alaska, their nuclear energy is several times greater than the Russian one. De jure, both Korean governments are legal

    You are right in everything except one thing. The North Koreans are not lackeys of China, but prisoners of a madhouse named after the Kim family.
  46. Yrsh.2008
    Yrsh.2008 April 13 2013 21: 50 New
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    North Korea has proven to be firmly on its feet, this fact is confirmed by decades of both the "hot" and "cold" wars. I believe that even if dying, then dying standing up is a great thing!
  47. Ilyukha
    Ilyukha April 13 2013 21: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: Krasnoyarets
    Ivashev is more like an alcoholic with a squint. And the DPRK population is just biorobots with brainwashed, without will, and so on. Normal people would have long overthrown the Kimovs, for their regime is inhuman.

    They do not know who such normal people are, they have never seen them. The country is 60 years old closed from the world. It’s like in a sect, around the devil, you have to save yourself, and Kim the Third is a living god.
    The poor people don’t know anything about the world. It’s not the child’s fault that his mother gave birth to him in prison ..
    1. Anti
      Anti April 13 2013 22: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Ilyukha
      They don’t know who normal people are, they have never seen them.
    2. Anti
      Anti April 13 2013 22: 10 New
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      Quote: Ilyukha
      They don’t know who normal people are, they have never seen them.


      Well, if it’s normal, then yes, it’s good that they have not seen, they will be cleaner.

      Loveland in jeju island korea

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EY7VP2rqNY&feature=player_embedded
      1. Thoroughbred
        Thoroughbred April 13 2013 22: 13 New
        -3
        Ututyu is so bad, under Sralin this was not: D

        Phallic symbols are present in the hood. culture for millennia.
        1. Anti
          Anti April 13 2013 22: 22 New
          0
          where does the symbol? shame in a word, Leberal recreation park, penetration of west to east wassat

          Everything is normal in the DPRK !!!!!!
          1. Thoroughbred
            Thoroughbred April 13 2013 22: 30 New
            -2
            So, forum fighter, why are you using western goods? Go to the monastery, don’t look at porn, don’t use a mobile phone, sell your Ford Focus. Well, or go to the DPRK or Iran - there is totalitarianism.
            1. Anti
              Anti April 13 2013 22: 37 New
              0
              That I am not a fighter, so the visitor is simple. And they’re Western, because they are all under us, and then we lost our positions, but soon everything will change, and if I look at the guy, it’s not in the recreation park winked
            2. Ilyukha
              Ilyukha April 13 2013 22: 38 New
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              Well, about Iran, I would not get excited)) Entry-exit by visa, but free, the economy is in order, Ahmadinejad is noisy at times, but does not want war. Inside the country, stability and a normal standard of living. American jeans are ideally wrong pants, but everyone wears them, including supposedly clogged women. No need to compare.
        2. Ilyukha
          Ilyukha April 13 2013 22: 23 New
          +1
          They think that there is justice from tyrants.
          Rabbits also think that they are cared for, fed there, amno cleaned. They simply do not know what they are bred to eat)))
          1. Anti
            Anti April 13 2013 22: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: Ilyukha
            They think that there is justice from tyrants.


            This is a statist !!! And we were rabbits in the 90s.
            1. Thoroughbred
              Thoroughbred April 13 2013 22: 33 New
              -2
              But you just crow on the forum, I give you a tooth, I don’t even have a portrait of Sralin at home.
              1. Anti
                Anti April 13 2013 22: 40 New
                +2
                Yes, it’s you and comrade who crow. Stalin’s portrait, how could it be without it, so you’ll have to give a tooth wink
                1. Thoroughbred
                  Thoroughbred April 13 2013 22: 42 New
                  -3
                  Yes, you went! Why do you need a Sralin portrait? Are you skipping a story?
                  1. Anti
                    Anti April 13 2013 22: 44 New
                    0
                    How about a tooth ??? Himself or help needed?
                    1. Thoroughbred
                      Thoroughbred April 13 2013 22: 46 New
                      0
                      I do not believe you. How about a portrait photo? I really don’t believe it.
                      1. Anti
                        Anti April 13 2013 22: 54 New
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                        Quote: Purebred
                        I do not believe you. How about a portrait photo? I really don’t believe it.


                        does not work request
                      2. Thoroughbred
                        Thoroughbred April 13 2013 22: 56 New
                        0
                        Is it because the camera fails?
                      3. Anti
                        Anti April 13 2013 22: 56 New
                        0
                        the second time I try, but not a fotik, the site doesn’t miss, and why the hell should I lie? sad
                      4. Thoroughbred
                        Thoroughbred April 13 2013 22: 57 New
                        0
                        You can throw in a personal
                      5. Thoroughbred
                        Thoroughbred April 13 2013 23: 17 New
                        -1
                        What is expected, you do not give a photo. So you are a forum unfounded cucaretic.
                      6. Anti
                        Anti April 13 2013 23: 21 New
                        +1
                        A GYZLO? CHECK MAIL. GOT THE PHOTO?
                    2. Thoroughbred
                      Thoroughbred April 13 2013 23: 28 New
                      +5
                      Yes. I admit it. Bazaar zero - wait a tooth in the mail. Already went for the hammer.
                    3. AlNikolaich
                      AlNikolaich April 14 2013 01: 15 New
                      0
                      Quote: Purebred
                      Yes. I admit it. Bazaar zero - wait a tooth in the mail. Already went for the hammer.

                      Well in! The kid said, the kid did! Respect and respect! good
  • crest 57
    crest 57 April 13 2013 23: 44 New
    +1
    In general, where are the normal people now? In Europe, America? What criteria determines normality?
    1. Anti
      Anti April 13 2013 23: 50 New
      0
      Quote: crest 57
      In general, where are the normal people now?


      Yes, even if you are completely normal and resourceful smile

      sorry picture did not pass requestsite slows down or what?
  • Ilyukha
    Ilyukha April 13 2013 21: 57 New
    +4
    Quote: Yrsh.2008
    North Korea has proven to be firmly on its feet, this fact is confirmed by decades of both the "hot" and "cold" wars. I believe that even if dying, then dying standing up is a great thing!

    So he himself is dying and standing. People are born to live.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 April 13 2013 22: 20 New
      0
      Perhaps, in your opinion, it’s better to admit defeat and bend under the amers? And then on the list all the GOODS of democracy. And I don’t need about their hunger, they have been providing themselves for a bunch of years, if it weren’t for sanctions, believe me, half the world would now eating ecologically clean food from the DPRK. Believe me, I know what I'm saying
      1. Thoroughbred
        Thoroughbred April 13 2013 22: 22 New
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        ate organic food from the DPRK

        For example, grass and bark. By the way, go to the monastery, huh?
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 April 13 2013 22: 41 New
          -1
          I didn’t eat at Brudershaft. Observe subordination. Is there anything to be said on the subject? Or, just to fart?
          1. Thoroughbred
            Thoroughbred April 13 2013 22: 49 New
            0
            Who the hell are you? What did you want to talk about?
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 April 13 2013 22: 55 New
              0
              You’re kind of muddy --- it’s not interesting to enter into disputes with you
              1. Thoroughbred
                Thoroughbred April 13 2013 22: 55 New
                0
                So what did you want to grind about?
      2. Ilyukha
        Ilyukha April 13 2013 22: 48 New
        +2
        Why are they amers, what is there, is there oil?
        Relatives from the south want to live and work in one country.
        Rulers need borders to hold their power; people do not need them.
  • medwed1976
    medwed1976 April 13 2013 22: 23 New
    +4
    Quote: omsbon
    It seems to me that the truth, as always in the middle!

    And in this middle, as always, "star-striped"
    1. Ilyukha
      Ilyukha April 13 2013 22: 31 New
      +1
      And they just didn’t fit in. Only here it happened that neither in a fairy tale to say, nor a pen to describe.
      South Korea lives in the middle of the 21st century, and North-wow ...
      Maybe it's not in America?
    2. Thoroughbred
      Thoroughbred April 13 2013 22: 31 New
      -3
      Scoops, by the way, also supplied weapons to the aggressors from the DPRK.
  • Day 11
    Day 11 April 13 2013 22: 39 New
    0
    I didn’t eat at Brudershaft. Observe subordination. Is there anything to be said on the subject? Or, just to fart?
    1. Thoroughbred
      Thoroughbred April 13 2013 22: 43 New
      -1
      Are you writing this to me?