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Special Forces GRU - Army Elite

Special Forces GRU - Army Elite

With the end of World War II, there were virtually no sabotage reconnaissance units left in the armies; some of them were disbanded, the second part was reduced. However, it soon became apparent that the special forces were the most effective way to fight against the increasingly real nuclear threat from NATO. After a detailed analysis and study of the experience gained during the war years, in 1950, the USSR government decided to establish the first special forces units. All of them were under the direct control of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Army.

At the same time, it should be noted that everyone who believes that история Russian special forces began a little more than half a century ago, they are mistaken. Similar divisions have existed for many centuries past. So, in particular, in the XVIII century, some Russian military leaders (P. Panin, A. Suvorov, M. Kutuzov) raised the question of the need to create special military units. The first such compounds appeared in 1764 year, and they were called Jaeger. At the end of the same century, Catherine II initiated the rotation of the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, first on the Bug, and then on the Kuban. In these areas, the Eger tactic was very useful - conducting combat operations in mountainous areas, conducting reconnaissance, raids, and organizing ambushes. The training of these units was very similar to modern - the conduct of hostilities was combined with power and undercover intelligence. In 1811, the Separate Corps of the internal guard was established, whose duties included guarding and restoring order directly in the state itself. The 1812 war of the year allowed the Russian troops to gain immense experience, which was successfully used in the future. In the 1817 year, on the initiative of Alexander I, mobile horse gendarme rapid reaction forces were created. A little later, in the 1842 year, on the basis of the Cossack battalions, the Plastun battalions were created, on the combat activities of which more than one generation of future special forces were trained. Then, in the 1903 year, the Exploration Division was created under the General Staff, and one year later, similar divisions appeared in all military districts. A year later, in 1905, police units appeared that were engaged in carrying out tasks similar to those of modern riot police. In 1917, the General Directorate of the General Staff appeared, and in 1918, military intelligence, as well as special-purpose units, which were entrusted with the tasks of fighting Asian Basmachi and various kinds of rebels. In the 30 of the last century, the Red Army was replenished with airborne assault forces and sabotage groups.

As for the newly created division, very serious tasks were set before it: to organize and conduct reconnaissance, destroy all possible means of nuclear attack, identify enemy military formations and conduct special operations in the enemy’s rear, organize and conduct sabotage actions, create guerrilla groups in the rear of the enemy, to fight terrorism, to search and neutralize saboteurs. In addition, the special forces were also supposed to perform the tasks of jamming, blocking communications, disrupting power supply, eliminating transportation hubs, and provoking unrest and chaos in the state and military leadership of certain countries. At first glance, it may seem that the lion’s share of these tasks is impossible, fantastic, but the army special forces successfully coped with them, because the unit had all the necessary technical equipment and the appropriate weapons, including nuclear portable mines.

The special forces training was very intense. As a rule, it used individual programs. Each group consisted of 3-4 fighters and an 1 officer who exercised constant control over their pupils. If we talk about the training of the officers themselves, then their program was so intense that after several years of training, each officer could actually actually replace the whole army unit. It is quite obvious that these special-purpose units were classified even more than the presence of nuclear developments in the Soviet Union. This is evidenced by at least the fact that practically all knew about the existence of nuclear warhead bombers, nuclear missiles and nuclear submarines, and not even every general or marshal knew about the existence of the GRU special forces.

The first textbook for the special forces was the "Instructions for the combat use of subunits and units of special purpose," written by the former chief of intelligence of the guerrilla group Chekist from Belarus Pavel Golitsyn.

It would seem that everything was going well, but soon the difficulties began. The army began to reduce. More than three dozen special forces were abolished. As a result, there are only 1 special company of special purpose. Over the next four years, the army special forces "built up their muscles" after such a serious blow, and only in 1957, five separate special purpose battalions were formed. Several years later, in 1962, special purpose brigades were attached to 10. All of them were calculated on peacetime and wartime. The peacetime staff included no more than two or three hundred fighters in each brigade. In wartime, at least 1700 fighters (officers and soldiers) were in the state. Thus, at the beginning of 1963, the Soviet special forces consisted of ten cropped brigades, twelve separate companies, five separate battalions that were deployed in the Baltic, Leningrad, Belorussian, Kiev, Prikarpathian, Odessa, Moscow, Transcaucasian, Far Eastern and Turkestan military districts.

For the same year, the first large-scale exercises were held. However, even though their results were very successful, in the year 1964 a new reorganization took place, as a result of which the number of special forces decreased by three battalions and six companies. Thus, the army special forces consisted of six companies, 10 brigades and 2 battalions.

However, it should be noted that there were units that, in addition to the standard training programs for special forces, were trained and under the implementation of special tasks. In particular, the special forces of the 99 company, which was stationed in the Arkhangelsk military district, were trained to perform tasks in the Arctic, and the soldiers of the 227 company, located in the North Caucasus district, were trained in operations in the highlands. The creation of special-purpose strike groups intensified only at the end of the 1960-s.

On the basis of the airborne school located in Ryazan, in 1968, the preparation of special-purpose professional intelligence began. The formation of the famous 9 Company took place at that time, the last issue of which was held in 1981, after which the company was disbanded. In addition, the special forces officers were trained at the Frunze Military Academy and in the Kiev VOK (intelligence faculty), but their specialization was closer to military intelligence officers. In 1970, a training company was formed, after a while - a battalion, and then a regiment, which was stationed in the Pskov Region.

Special forces units conducted operations abroad. The first such large-scale foreign special operation was an operation in Czechoslovakia in 1968. Warsaw Pact countries began to introduce their troops into the territory of this state. The plane, which transported the special forces, requested an emergency landing in the capital due to allegedly faulty engines. Within a few minutes, the special forces seized the airport, after which the airborne division was redeployed there. At about the same time, the groups of fighters who had arrived in Prague earlier, captured the most significant positions - the railway stations, the telegraph. When the government building was taken under control, the country's leadership was taken to Moscow.

If we talk about all foreign operations, then a total of army special forces conducted their operations in about twenty countries in Latin America, Asia and Africa. Sometimes we had to deal with famous American commandos. And only many years later, the Americans managed to find out that it was the Soviet special forces who defeated their elite units in Vietnam in 1970, and also in Angola in 1978. Very often it even happened that the American special services did not know that the Soviet special forces were conducting some kind of special operations. A vivid example of this is one case. It happened in 1968 in Cambodia. Nine special forces fighters raided the secret helicopter camp, which was located near the Vietnamese border. From this camp, the Americans threw their saboteurs into the territory of Vietnam. The camp was guarded by an 2 light helicopter, some heavy transport 10 and a Super Cobra 4 helicopter. It was the latter that were the target of the Soviet special forces. It took the fighters less than half an hour to hijack one helicopter, and destroy the other three, even though they had to operate almost under the nose of the American special forces.

However, a large amount of information about the special operations carried out by army special forces in the territory of Mozambique, Angola, Ethiopia, Cuba, Nicaragua and Vietnam, to date, no. But enough data on the operations that were carried out over ten years of the Afghan conflict. The beginning of the conflict was laid by conducting a special operation to destroy the ruler Amin. Most historians believe that the operation was pure adventure. However, she succeeded. In addition to the special forces units that already existed at the time - “Thunder”, “Zenith”, “Vympel” and “Alpha” - the army special forces took part in the operation. Approximately six months before the capture, a Muslim battalion was formed, which was also known as the 154 th separate special-purpose squad, which included members of the GRU special forces (Soviet Muslims). Most of the fighters of the detachment were Tajiks, Uzbeks and Turkmen, almost all of them owned Farsi. Shortly before the storming of the palace, they were introduced into the palace guards. The assault was carried out in less than an hour.

After a short respite after the operation, the same battalion, up to 1984, conducted military operations in spetsnaz tactics, arranged ambushes and raids, and was engaged in reconnaissance. In addition, at the end of 1983, the fighters of the unit proceeded to the creation of the “Veil” border zone, with the help of which it was planned to close about two hundred routes by which the rebels received weapon and ammunition from Pakistan. But since such a grandiose plan required a large number of special forces, in 1984, the 177 and 154 special forces were transferred there. The total number of GRU special forces in Afghanistan was about 1400 fighters. However, this number did not seem to be enough, so the formation of additional special forces units began in the Soviet Union.

Talk about the operations that were carried out by the army special forces in Afghanistan, it is possible for a very long time. Among them were those that were especially remembered. So, in particular, at the beginning of 1984, the 177th special company, reinforced by several combined arms companies and tank platoon, was to find and capture a caravan with weapons and ammunition near the village of Vakh. But this was not possible, and the special forces were surrounded. Only after a difficult battle, with the support of artillery and aviation, the squad managed to leave the danger zone.

Some time later, in 1989, the structure of the 22 and 15 units of the special forces brigade was radically changed. All armored vehicles, grenade launchers, and communications equipment were seized. It was motivated by the incompatibility of this weapon with the tasks of the special forces, that is, the conduct of military intelligence and anti-sabotage combat. And the use of this weapon by special forces for a whole decade was recognized as an “atypical case of use” ... However, when the 15 Special Brigade arrived in Baku a year later to fight local gangs, the equipment was returned to it. Then it was completely around X-NUMX flights IL-40 and delivered from Tashkent communications, cars, as well as about two dozen armored vehicles. The brigade successfully completed all the tasks assigned to it, but when it returned home, all the combat equipment and communications were again withdrawn, despite numerous requests from the command.

The activities of the army special forces were no less intense during the years of the Chechen conflicts. Russian special forces were present in the country since the beginning of the introduction of troops. At first, the special forces were used only for reconnaissance. In addition, due to the weak training of ground units, special forces took part in assault groups, in particular, in Grozny. By the way, 1995 year was the most tragic, because it was then when the special forces suffered heavy losses.

However, this did not break the morale of the fighters, and they continued to act in their traditional manner. When the Khasavyurt peace agreement was signed, it was obvious to all that this world was very shaky. Therefore, when the fighting began in Dagestan, in confronting the formations of international and Chechen terrorists and militants, one of the tasks of the special forces was to provide reconnaissance information about the positions and fortifications of the Wahhabis. Army special forces showed themselves only from the best side, being the best in combat training and performing tasks, and acting many times more effectively than the rest.

In the spring of 1995, there was not a single special squad left in Chechnya. The last of these, assigned to the North Caucasus region, returned home in the second half of 1996.

It should be noted that the most difficult period of time, not only for army special forces, but also for the armed forces in general, were the years after the collapse of the Soviet Union. With the beginning of the reform of the army, the special forces were able to inflict so much damage that was not even in the years of the Afghan and Chechen wars. At the end of the war in Afghanistan, part of the units returned to duty stations, and some were disbanded. From time to time, some special units were sent to fight against bandit groups in Ossetia, Baku, Nagorno-Karabakh, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan. Some special forces brigades were in the armed forces of Ukraine, Belarus and Uzbekistan.

Thus, there is no clear answer to the question of how many special forces units are currently in Russia. Partly due to the fact that the information is secret, partly due to the constant reform of the army. And even despite the decision to transfer army special forces to the structure of the ground forces and to establish the command of special operations forces, no final decision has yet been made, because army special forces are not only subdivisions, but also research institutes and other organizations (to put it simply , that should be hidden from prying eyes, but at the same time, plays an important role in the work of special forces).

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  1. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 29 March 2013 11: 46
    The correct article, about the right people, but still somehow superficial, I would like to have a deeper discussion of the topic, but there are a lot of things to be said about these people!
    1. avt
      avt 29 March 2013 12: 45
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      I would like to have a deeper discussion of the topic, but there is a lot to say about these people!

      That's just because of the specifics of the service, it’s impossible to say a lot, and if it’s possible, it’s not now, but when the bar is removed, if it is removed. Let's hope that the creation of a new structure for special operations will improve their service.
      1. nnz226
        nnz226 29 March 2013 14: 25
        Yes, the neck will be removed years through 100 !!! And then not with all operations, about some, no one will ever know!
        1. Bosk
          Bosk April 1 2013 14: 25
          Well, about the removal of the neck, secretly after 100 years ... I doubt it, because even now, historians do not always have access to archives dating back to the Petrine and earlier times.
    2. vezunchik
      vezunchik 29 March 2013 14: 35
      and the movie is good. It gives the answer - who benefits from destroying the GRU special forces, and why the colonels were imprisoned, and the traitor is free. in the same USA if the Minister of Defense had done such things, would have sat in an electric chair ....
  2. Mother russia
    Mother russia 29 March 2013 11: 47
    Not just the army elite - the pride of our entire army!

    In the photo - a fighter of the 45th separate guard order of Kutuzov of the Order of Alexander Nevsky battalion of the Special Staff of the GRU.
    Thank you for your work, brothers!
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 29 March 2013 13: 57
      That's about whom to write books and make good films. And then Rambo, Rambo ... They piled ours with Rambo like this, they hijacked a helicopter to find out .... And then Hollywood took everything off exactly the opposite.
      1. imrek_ua
        imrek_ua 30 March 2013 06: 08
        But do not shoot anything. And do not write. Intelligence is a quiet matter. And let the enemies amuse themselves with their Rambo. And they don’t need to know what someone is holding their throats, they just haven’t squeezed their fingers :)
    2. Nekit54
      Nekit54 1 July 2013 22: 06
      Not SPN GRU, but airborne
  3. Soldier
    Soldier 29 March 2013 11: 48
    Thus, there is no clear answer to the question of how many special forces units are currently in Russia. See an ancient article. State secret information is not. Until 2009 there were 7 brigades of Special Forces. Then, at the direction of the well-known scum-taburetkin. With the tacit consent of the president and the prime minister, the 3rd, 12th and 67th (native) brigades were disbanded. Here and the whole number.
    1. Soldier
      Soldier 29 March 2013 12: 06
      Motivation? ,, Upstairs, ”they decided that in the modern war the Motherland would be needed ,, Mistral,“ and saboteurs were not needed.
  4. zao74
    zao74 29 March 2013 11: 52
    "It should be noted that the most difficult period of time, not only for the army special forces, but also for the armed forces in general, was the years after the collapse of the Soviet Union."
    And here the shadow of marked Judas appeared.
    1. DDR
      DDR 29 March 2013 18: 03
      Quote: zao74
      years after the collapse of the Soviet Union. "And here the shadow of the marked Judas

      Taburetkin also had a hand in reducing special forces. It, along with the labeled one, must be reckoned among the enemies of the people am
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 29 March 2013 19: 47
        A friend of the people, Kvavchkov, is shaking the deadline. As they say: niht schissen! And a grenade in your pocket is better than F than R. More enemies will be covered, glory to the GRU.
  5. Fish
    Fish 29 March 2013 11: 56
    Glorious past! I hope no less glorious future! good
  6. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 29 March 2013 12: 26
    When the army was reduced, the internal troops increased, so that if anything, the army did not go for the people, and it would be possible to crush the people with the intruders.
  7. erased
    erased 29 March 2013 12: 35
    In 1979, in Operation Storm-333, Group A of the 7th KGB Directorate was represented by the Grom detachment under the command of Major Mikhail Romanov.
    Detachment "Zenith" 1 of the main department of the KGB was headed by Yakov Semyonov. The Vympel group was created in 1981.
    The rest is true. Special forces have always been the best in peacetime, in Afghanistan.
  8. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 29 March 2013 12: 55
    In the book by Eduard Belyaev, "The Muslim Battalion" describes :-) Operation "Storm 333" and it turns out that the KGB was there at least, and they were sent there at the need of politicians, and the entire main seizure was carried out by the Musbat and the operation was led by Colonel of the GRU special forces Kolesnikov, and always the KGB took it, like they were the most important there.
    1. erased
      erased 29 March 2013 12: 59
      I recommend the books of S. Kozlov, everything is well described there. And the book of M. Boltunov gives a general idea of ​​the storming of Amin’s palace.
      And who fought more who less - can not be judged.
  9. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 29 March 2013 13: 06
    Quote: erased
    I recommend the books of S. Kozlov, everything is well described there. And the book of M. Boltunov gives a general idea of ​​the storming of Amin’s palace.
    And who fought more who less - can not be judged.

    And who was originally going to carry out what task, is it possible?
  10. 120352
    120352 29 March 2013 13: 35
    Judging by what Serdyukov did, he was clearly "preparing Russia for war," as was done on the eve of World War II. The most prominent commanders and the most effective military units were destroyed. Luckily, this is over. One thing is not clear, why this traitor and thief was not only not shot, but not even imprisoned? Dura Vasilyeva was his subordinate and cannot be held responsible for the activities of her "master". Indeed, without his signature in the Ministry of Defense (more precisely, the Ministry of Disarmament and Theft) nothing could happen! Vasilieva is an accomplice. Organizer - Serdyukov! SHOOT!!!
    1. ABV
      ABV 29 March 2013 19: 39
      Quote: 120352
      Destroyed the most prominent military leaders, the most effective military units

      This is you about the alcoholic Blucher, the sadist Yakir (a division of Chinese mercenaries), Velikogrand Tukhachevsky - the first military leader in the world to use a chemical. weapons against the citizens of their own country, successfully suppressing peasant uprisings (by the method of hostages and chemical gases), but for some reason, which had the only real combat action (such as a campaign against Poland), a complete defeat .... and the civil war is civil is ... against your own people, not strategic thought is needed, but cruelty ...
  11. vezunchik
    vezunchik 29 March 2013 13: 44
    Who owes our country the appearance of the GRU? Stalin! It was Stalin who was the chief of staff in October 17, it was he who Ilyich sent later to the most tense areas of the civilian won. Tsaritsyn, razbelbelogradeytsev near St. Petersburg, the defeat of the volunteer army, the liberation of Ukraine from bandits, Poles and German troops in 1920.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 29 March 2013 20: 43
      True, we will remember 1950, when, at the insistence of Marshal Zhukov, the GRU special forces were created. And personal --- last summer I traveled with a woman to Moscow, tourism ... Near the monument to G.K. there are rows of souvenir sellers, there I my wife "hung out" choosing which is better: a garrison cap, which I already have, but a new or soldier's buckle with a two-headed eagle, which I will not have (if not a war), BUT beautiful and proud ... and here my tourist gaze was attracted by a flock of Chinese ... They stuck around the foot of the post of our great marshal and were about to capture such beauty, when I suddenly appeared ... 2 seconds of confusion, and then I'm in the center of the photo, Chinese shouts of Hurray, and a photo: Big Ivan, his LORD and we all drew and it turned out fellow And then the Chinese photographer wrote off my coordinates and oh ..., after 2 days they gave me the photo on the hotel’s shift.
  12. krokodil25
    krokodil25 29 March 2013 13: 57
    Special forces pennant looks no less frightening:

    Operation in Beirut
    September 30, 1985 in Beirut there was an armed seizure of employees of the Soviet embassy, ​​moving in two cars. In one, there were consular officer Arkady Katkov and embassy doctor Nikolai Svirsky, in the other, KGB residency officers Oleg Spirin and Valery Myrikov.
    The militants clipped ambassadorial cars, fired several automatic bursts, and laid people at the bottom of their cars. At the same time, Arkady Katkov was injured in the leg. The abductors were representatives of the Palestinian organization Khaled Ben Al-Walid Forces. The operation was planned and directed by the former personal guard of Yasser Arafat, Imad Mugniya, nicknamed Hyena. Another Arafat guard, Hajj, also participated in the capture. Negotiations with terrorists yielded no results. A few days later, the wounded Arkady Katkov was shot, riddled with machine gun bursts.
    To take part in the operation to free the hostages, an operational-combat group of the Vympel unit flew to Beirut. Soon after her arrival, the bandit leaders began to die under unclear circumstances. Despite the fact that they knew how to hide, nothing saved them in Beirut. The hyena receives a written ultimatum that if he does not free the hostages, he can choose the next victim himself. A note demanding the release of the hostages was handed over by a man near the Beirut market personally into the hands of Imad. This was proof that his opponent knew everything about his whereabouts and how to get to him. It became clear to Hyena that the next victim of the "accident" would most likely be himself.
    The next day, three Soviet citizens were released
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 29 March 2013 14: 22
      Such a case was, the general picture is correct, but the details ..........
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 29 March 2013 20: 47
        What details?
        1. Vovka levka
          Vovka levka 29 March 2013 22: 05
          There is a result, but details, and what details ...
  13. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 29 March 2013 14: 08
    An article about everything at once and specifically about nothing. Here and GRU special forces and, suddenly, riot police of 1905, and a reference to Thunder, Alpha and VIMPEL ... It is necessary to edit and structure ... Amerovskaya helicopters guarding the camp were especially pleased ... That’s how the Yusovites annealed! ..
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 29 March 2013 20: 47
      Quote: Scary ensign
      , Riot police of 1905,
      +++++++++++++++++++ You are Pushkin
  14. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 29 March 2013 14: 12
    Yes, still, Mother Russia, the 45th is still a separate regiment, not a battalion ...
  15. WWW.budanov
    WWW.budanov 29 March 2013 14: 43
    From the article: "There is no information on how many special forces units are currently in Russia. Partly because the information is secret, partly because of the constant reform of the army." - you can add, it was only recently that "stooltkin" was removed, and the restoration of the collapsed ministry in a "week" cannot be carried out. As for the video clip - Thank you, everything is clear and without unnecessary "applause", THANKS. Recently (in April 2012), one of the last veterans of the Great Patriotic War passed away, was at the front as a DIVERSANT (!).
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 29 March 2013 20: 53
      Quote: WWW.budanov
      secret information
      drinks top secret
  16. savoj
    savoj 29 March 2013 14: 57
    Beautiful photos and nice stories. Only here they killed a whole company of paratroopers in Chechnya ..... they didn’t get any help because of bad weather and there were no guilty parties. This is the truth of life. They sent them to slaughter on purpose, they knew what they were doing. And now they don’t mention it ..... Maxim died - well .... with him. They will show something on TV how Ksyusha got married, for example, and it’s a few hours on each channel ..... but at least five minutes about everyone who sacredly executed the order, it’s not in format.
  17. tuts
    tuts 29 March 2013 15: 48
    there is not a word about Pavel Anatolyevich Sudoplatov
    neither about Starinov Ilya Grigorievich
    1. rubber_duck
      rubber_duck 29 March 2013 16: 41
      And what relation do these people have in every respect worthy to army special forces?
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 March 2013 16: 14
    Special forces will exist and will be in demand only in a strong country. Because a special operation abroad is always a challenge to other countries. In fact, everyone knows that this and that is the work of the special forces of such a country. But if the country is strong, they will wipe themselves out and remain silent. And if it’s weak, they can run over.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 29 March 2013 21: 00
      IMHO, GRU special forces --- A SOLDIER, and the Cold War VETERAN .... how many did, how many taught, how many ill-advised troubles were prevented.
  19. George
    George 29 March 2013 17: 27
    Hello all.
    Such masters of their craft, loyal to their country and people still to look for, inadvertently struck at these frames. Kvachkov recall the same.
    1. DDR
      DDR 29 March 2013 18: 14
      I propose to swap them
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 29 March 2013 21: 05
        EXACTLY .................................
  20. bazilio
    bazilio 29 March 2013 17: 50
    I'm afraid to be mistaken, I hope they will correct me - there was such a school KUOS - advanced training courses for officers. I don’t remember whose school it was GRushnaya or KGB. I remember that the KUOS cadets were trained, among other things, based on the documentary "Combat training of the US special commando units." Allegedly, someone from the Soviet conspiratorial special forces was trained under this commando program as an ordinary cadet from the US Armed Forces))))
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 29 March 2013 21: 14
      The method of preparing "green berets" was in demand in the USSR Armed Forces. And, of course, this is not a great military secret, since there are open sources of information, the logic of allogy and, finally, prisoners of war.
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 30 March 2013 15: 00
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        of course this is not a great military secret

        As far as I remember, this business was in 60 years and just the same was a military secret. There were probably no open sources in those days on this subject, and prisoners of war too
  21. Kortik
    Kortik 29 March 2013 17: 52
    Such a question, at first glance, may be silly, but nonetheless. And why not prepare all the ground units according to the special forces program, or according to the Airborne Forces program, without certain nuances such as parachute training, and everything else: hand-to-hand combat, fire and so on according to the Airborne Forces? After all, then there would not be a huge gap in preparation between the motorized rifle and the paratrooper. At the same time, the landing would not have lifted its nose in front of the mabuts, since they would have known that infantry could give good n .... s and are in no way inferior to winged infantry. Well, what benefit would it bring in terms of combat readiness - obviously. Thanks in advance for your reply.
    1. ABV
      ABV 29 March 2013 19: 46
      Combined arms tactics are very different from the methods of conducting specials. operations., their goals and objectives. And if it came to melee ... then it’s generally bad ... not buzzing!
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 29 March 2013 21: 29
        Dirk, you are a huge + for optimism and faith in Russia, not well, really !!! But, BUT, BUT --- to learn, as you say, you need (for starters, modestly so ....) a reserve of ready-made, and The main thing is for powerful boys, who will be able to be ready for these drinks. This is, gipipotanicheski, to the question of the masses and not about anything else
    2. Kortik
      Kortik 29 March 2013 20: 32
      Thanks for the answer, but I myself understand that. The speech is in the almost complete absence of training and the inferiority of motorized rifle units (with rare exceptions) compared to the same airborne forces, explosives and airplanes. What they paid attention to both during the hostilities in Afghanistan and the Chechen companies. A sergeant gunner is a rare exception. And minus I probably put those two squad guardsman paratrooper))): winked
    3. official
      official 30 March 2013 01: 41
      Because the most important thing that distinguishes most scouts and paratroopers from other fighters is psychology, spirit, call it what you want. If you are driven from the first day of service, that for you the battle is surrounded, the enormous numerical superiority of the enemy and the inability to reach your own is the norm, this really changes the worldview. And even if there are enough instructor officers who teach such things. And who in the infantry, tank units or artillery will teach this, and is it necessary? Caesar - caesarean, etc.
      1. Bosk
        Bosk April 1 2013 16: 42
        The main difference between the Spetsov and other strike assault units ... is a hidden approach, completing a task and quick exit, an open battle (if it is not in the task) is considered for any losing situation, specialists are a hidden unit with their hidden tasks, but quite often we confuse them with assault squads .... unfortunately.
  22. krokodil25
    krokodil25 29 March 2013 18: 46
    Quote: bazilio
    I'm afraid to be mistaken, I hope they will correct me - there was such a school KUOS - advanced training courses for officers. I don’t remember whose school it was GRushnaya or KGB. I remember that the KUOS cadets were trained, among other things, based on the documentary "Combat training of the US special commando units." Allegedly, someone from the Soviet conspiratorial special forces was trained under this commando program as an ordinary cadet from the US Armed Forces))))

    it was pennants, look in the search engines there in detail about this.
  23. George
    George 29 March 2013 19: 05
    I read about an incident told by an artillery officer. It was the second Chechen war. This officer and the sergeant accompanying him arrived at the location of some unit. The officer went about his business, leaving the sergeant alone, but soon there was a noise and abuse. He ran out with other officers (the well-known Em Yuri Pavlovich - the commander of the 247th Airborne Assault Regiment of the 7th Guards Airborne Division was among them) from the headquarters tent. Two gallant guards decided to "build up" a seasoned sergeant, who, without long trials, gave them a mouthful. I do not remember the details, I remember clearly that Em offered this sergeant to transfer to him, but the sergeant refused. Here's a story.
    That’s what I’m all about. You have to be a professional in your field, in your army profession, but don’t forget about the specialization of the armed forces, as well as the cost of training, etc.
    In general, everyone let him serve his service, but he serves impeccably.
    And the landing is not all cocky and nosadiralovskaya (after meeting with that sergeant at least a couple more of these balanced ones were added). Sincerely.
    1. Kortik
      Kortik 29 March 2013 20: 34
      Thanks for the answer, but I myself understand that. The speech is in the almost complete absence of training and the inferiority of motorized rifle units (with rare exceptions) compared to the same airborne forces, explosives and airplanes. What they paid attention to both during the hostilities in Afghanistan and the Chechen companies. A sergeant gunner is a rare exception. And minus I probably put those two squad guardsman paratrooper))): winked
      1. George
        George 29 March 2013 20: 56
        Plus from me.
        In this case, questions to the commanders (about training).
    2. official
      official 30 March 2013 01: 36
      Hmm, and I read about it in the fiction "Translator" by Alexei Sukonkin. Look at the Art of Vare, an interesting thing
      1. George
        George 30 March 2013 17: 35
        Is it about the liquidation of Abu Movsaev, the head of the Chechen counterintelligence?
        You were mistaken, there is a similar episode, only in the main roles there is an GRU special forces officer, and the six drunken, fucked-up, riot policemen opposing him.
        The episode that I quoted is from another book, and it was an officer - artilleryman.
        It's even called "Bread with Gunpowder", although I could be wrong.
  24. Lrentz
    Lrentz 29 March 2013 19: 24

    onno-s-pomoshhyu-samodelnogo-pulta /

    do we already have similar systems? if not, why?
  25. ilyich
    ilyich 29 March 2013 20: 05
    I ask the distinguished author to correct this part of the text (the word "countries") to the word "republics"
    No less intense was the activity of army special forces during the years of Chechen conflicts. Russian commandos were present on the territory country from the beginning of the introduction of troops.

    for otherwise a somewhat false impression is created about the independence of state formation, and not about armed rebellion.
    Thank you.
  26. воронов
    воронов 30 March 2013 00: 40
    One thing is clear Russia can not do without special forces
  27. Stalinets
    Stalinets 31 March 2013 00: 46
    What kind of nuclear-powered ships, airplanes, etc. can we talk about if military intelligence is destroyed! Russia, and no one in general, can never do without intelligence. There is no special forces of the GRU, the existence of Russia as an INDEPENDENT state is in great doubt ... Too many special forces of all kinds have been divorced. But if military intelligence does not have its own, fuck others are needed ... And initially, the definition of "special forces" came from the intelligence of the GRU ...
  28. igor_ua
    igor_ua 31 March 2013 02: 17
    Comrades, please give me references where you can read about how our special forces hijacked a helicopter from the Yankees.