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American flag of victory

The role of symbols and myths in stories


Recently, in national history in general and in military history, in particular, it has become fashionable to dethrone the symbols and myths concerning both individuals and historical events. Especially goes to the Soviet period, which is considered possible to completely degenerate, starting with the sailor Zheleznyak and ending with the weld over who hoisted the Victory banner over the Reichstag.

In this regard, it would be worthwhile to learn from other peoples who treat their history with great respect. None of the British questioned the historical fact that in the battle of Hastings 14 in October 1066, the Norman knights led by William could win only after the end of the day the arrow fell into the eye of the Saxon King Harold, after which the Saxons faltered and were crushed. The Chinese with great respect and love treat their semi-mythical character Zhuge Liang, who went down in history as a skilled military leader and a cunning politician. It is generally admired (to say the least) the attitude of the French towards Napoleon, whose actions are evaluated very ambiguously. Americans cherish their relatively short history, carefully collecting and preserving the smallest historical facts. One of such half-myth facts relating to the storming of the island of Iwo Jima in February – March of the 1945 will be discussed.

Before World War II, Iwo Jima Island was a small Japanese island in the Pacific Ocean, having a little more than 6 km in length and about 3 km in width. There was no population on the island except for the Japanese military garrison. However, by the beginning of 1945, the Japanese had turned it into a fortress, which was defended by the garrison in 21 by thousands of soldiers, hiding in a wide network of underground tunnels. Three strategic airfields were built on the island.

The American command understood that the capture of Iwo Jima would be an important step to ensure victory over Japan. In addition, the capture of the island deprived the Japanese of an air base and provided more favorable conditions for the actions of the American aviation. American generals did not only know that Iwo Jima would have to pay a very high price.

The Japanese command adhered to a strategy of stubborn defense, according to which the soldiers had to fanatically fight to the end in order to give their lives so dearly that the Americans would request peace and abandon the idea of ​​landing in Japan. The commander of the Japanese garrison, General Tadamichi Kuribayashi, ordered not to open fire until the very last moment, so as not to reveal his firing points.

STORM IVOZYMY

Since 8 December 1944, Iwo Jima has been continuously bombarded and fired, including using the new weapons - napalm. On the morning of February 19, 1945, 450 ships of the American 5th fleet concentrated near the island, and the landing of the 30th landing began. The first to land were 8 thousand marines from the 4th and 5th divisions of the marine corps. Following them came landing barges with tanks, artillery and bulldozers. After lengthy bombing and shelling, everything was in smoke and clubs of volcanic ash. The Marines began to advance, but the Japanese defense was silent. And only when they reached the foot of Mount Suribachi, which dominated the island, the Japanese brought down all the power of their fire on them. The landing area on the shore instantly turned into hell. At the same time, tanks, cars and bulldozers buried in soft sand and could not move, representing excellent targets for the defenders. The surviving American soldiers tried to hide behind the wrecked and stuck in the sand equipment and the bodies of their dead comrades. The wounded tried to get out again to the water to see how two hospital ships exploded right before their eyes. Many did not wait for the evacuation and died under fire. In total, according to American data, about 2,4 thousand people who participated in the landing were killed that day.

Nevertheless, the marines heroically continued to move forward and entrenched on the lower slopes of Mount Suribachi. The American ships continued to land the landing forces, fighting off the continuous attacks of the Japanese kamikazes, who managed to sink the Bismarck Sea aircraft carrier escort and seriously damage the Saratoga aircraft carrier. By February 23 morning, the marines reached the summit of Suribachi, and in 10.20 the platoon commander, Lieutenant Harold Schreier, and several others from his platoon hoisted the American flag on top, using a piece of steel water pipe as a flagpole. This had a tremendous inspiring effect on American soldiers and sailors. Schreier and his platoon again went into battle.

Persistent and bloody fighting on the island continued until the end of March. At the same time, the Americans could not use heavy equipment and had to move forward, clearing their way with machine-gun fire, grenades and flamethrowers. We had to move blindly, constantly waiting for a hail of bullets and grenades from the Japanese, who were sheltering in crevices, caves and tunnels, invisible behind bushes and tall grass. The losses were huge. The names of those places where the most stubborn battles took place - the Bloody Gorge, the height of the Meat Grinder, speak for themselves. The last five times passed from hand to hand, before the Americans could gain a foothold on it.

The Japanese fought with the despair of the doomed. There is a case when 800 Japanese soldiers went into an almost suicidal attack on machine guns and one and all died. General Kuribayashi himself died on March 26 at the head of the same suicidal and hopeless attack of the remnants of his garrison. After that, the fighting on Iwo Jima almost ceased, but the centers of resistance remained, and only two months later the Americans managed to establish full control over the island.

According to the American data, in the battles for Iwo Jima, the Americans lost almost 7 thousand marines and about 900 sailors killed. Of the 21-thousandth of the Japanese garrison, only 1083 people survived and were captured.

WHAT AMERICANS ARE Proud Of

As for the American flag hoisted on the top of Mount Suribachi, the following story is connected with it. The hoisting of the flag itself could not be photographed, as platoon photographer Sergeant Louis Lowry broke his camera. After the mountain was cleared from the Japanese, the staff photographer of the Associated Press Agency, Joe Rosenthal, urgently arrived, bringing with him another flag - a larger one. He was well aware of the importance and the need for the feat of American soldiers to be captured on film, and persuaded the marines to "play" the flag hoisting scene anew. After several takes, the picture turned out and instantly became a classic. President Roosevelt ordered the six Marines who set the flag to be delivered to Washington, not knowing that three of them had already died in battle.

This photo, for which Joe Rosenthal, the son of immigrants from Russia, received the Pulitzer Prize, became an icon of American patriotism, it was printed on stamps, she painted pictures and sculpted monuments, the most famous of which is at the Arlington War Memorial Cemetery. And nobody cares that the photo is a kind of "remake" of the feat and that not the six soldiers who actually hoisted the flag, but four marines who agreed to pose for history are depicted on it. Because the main thing is not this, but that each people needs its own monuments, symbols and even myths so that it can respect its ancestors and be proud of its history.
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  1. Tartary
    Tartary 21 March 2013 08: 27 New
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    He put "+", but the question remained for the author: - But what, in the USSR / Russia there are few Victory symbols? What generation after generation in Russia lives without knowing about the Great feats of fathers and grandfathers?
    Why call an article?
    Probably to the current fathers and grandfathers, that they would not forget to teach their offspring on the examples of compatriot heroes, and not on the examples of the US paratroopers?
    While writing a post, I regretted putting "+" - an article with a beard ...
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 21 March 2013 08: 33 New
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      Quote: Tartary
      but the question remained for the author: - But what, in the USSR / Russia there are few symbols of Victory? What generation after generation in Russia lives without knowing about the Great feats of fathers and grandfathers?
      Why call an article?

      I think this is just an excursion into history and nothing more, do not panic.
      1. stas52
        stas52 21 March 2013 08: 49 New
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        An article about the need to honor your story, and not to refuse it, not to listen to any debunkers who have a distant relation to history, if any.
        1. Shkodnik65
          Shkodnik65 21 March 2013 09: 54 New
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          Quote: Tartary
          He put "+", but the question remained for the author: - But what, in the USSR / Russia there are few Victory symbols? What generation after generation in Russia lives without knowing about the Great feats of fathers and grandfathers?

          Yes, no, dear, of course you are right. In Russia (USSR) SEA of positive examples. But after all, what kind of parsley, Ivan the Terrible — is it a frenzied tyrant, or an outstanding commander who conquered Kazan, Astrakhan robbed Russia for hundreds of years and successfully fought with Livonia; Peter the Great, either a reformer who cut a window to Europe and smashed the most powerful army of that time - the Swedes, or something that made a psychopath crazy. Democracy, sir! Each draw ... cheat as he wants. And the author writes that there is no need to look for “dirty linen” and put it on display at the “Geyropa” and is proud of it, that’s what we are tolerant of. Firstly, they don’t understand, and secondly, they consider us anyway. "savages", "barbarians". And what did you not hear that today is the MOST !!!!!! the population of Europe and North America believes that the victory in World War II was won by amers with nugglo-Saxons and the biggest feat of those times - the salvation of Private Rain? But did the USSR participate in the war, or not? What a foreign land there! I once wrote in my post that the history teacher at the gymnasium where my son was studying categorically condemned the actions of the captain of the first rank Rudnev entered the battle with superior Japanese forces. This is supposedly ... inhumane and unreasonable. This HISTORY TEACHER puts in the heads of OUR children !!!
          Why am I doing this? Yes, so far, such as you, dear Tartary you will "rest on our laurels", remembering that, they say, "generation after generation in Russia lives and knows about the great feats of fathers and grandfathers" these generations have long been learning from the examples of Rambo, Rocky, Rain and other Van Damme. And about such heroes of our country as Peresvet, Minin, Pozharsky, the sailor Cat, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya and many many others they don’t even suspect!
          The author is a definite plus. I'm not going to minus you, I think that you still won’t understand. I have the honor! soldier
          1. Tartary
            Tartary 21 March 2013 10: 09 New
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            Quote: Shkodnik65
            Why am I doing this? And besides, while people like you, dear Tartary will “rest on our laurels” remembering that, they say, “generation after generation in Russia lives and knows about the great feats of fathers and grandfathers,” these generations have long been learning from the examples of Rambo , Rocky, Rain and other Van Damme. And about such heroes of our country as Peresvet, Minin, Pozharsky, the sailor Cat, Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya and many many others they don’t even suspect!
            The author is a definite plus. I'm not going to minus you, I think that you still won’t understand. I have the honor!

            That's it, what are you doing ?! If you know how to give honor, it means there is a head ... Your head, is obliged to its offspring to give the necessary knowledge about those heroes who are holy for you and our Motherland, and my head for yours ...
            And then teachers of secondary schools? After all, they also already managed to learn from textbooks on the Soros babos ... Do not you find?
            So, if your offspring do not know about the heroes listed by Wamit, then these are problems primarily of your head, because You give money to your children for going to the movies where Holywood steers ... So you have to grab hold of the pen and lead to the right movies, buy the right books and video discs ... Don't you think so?
            Then why discuss with you? You still don’t understand ... He has the honor - he smiled ... Your honor is through our children ...
            Above your head, officer (!), When you give honor ...
            1. Shkodnik65
              Shkodnik65 21 March 2013 11: 26 New
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              Quote Tartary
              Above your head, officer (!), When you give honor ..
              .

              Firstly: Since the time of Peter the Great, officers have a peculiar motto, if you want: "heart - to the lady, duty - to the Motherland, Honor - to ANYONE", therefore, dear Tartary, I DO NOT GIVE HONOR, DO NOT GIVE and DO NOT GIVE. And what you write about in a military environment is called a "military salutation." soldier
              Secondly. As you put it - about my "offspring". You, of course, that post about which I wrote did not read. But if you read it, you would also know that it was the CHILDREN, my son and his classmates, that put this lady in place, it was them who stood up for the heroes of the "Varyag". So with the brains of my "offspring" everything is fine. So for mine I’m not worried ... wink
              But what you wrote about, what you wanted to say - this is a mystery. Did you specifically want something, or did you just spray your saliva? A lot of words - and nothing. If there is something specific, I will be glad to talk, if not, free the reservoir, dear Tartary. hi
              1. Tartary
                Tartary 21 March 2013 12: 08 New
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                Quote: Shkodnik65
                If there is something specific, I will be glad to talk, if not, free the reservoir, dear Tartary.

                I told you everything specifically ... Where more specifically?
                Talking about the same thing, while arranging squabbles - is this not the lot of bullies?
                Quote: Shkodnik65
                Did you specifically want something, or did you just spray your saliva?

                Spit saliva, with honor, you became the first -
                Quote: Shkodnik65
                I'm not going to minus you, I think that you still won’t understand. I have the honor!

                What could I not understand in your post? I smile at your ability to find controversial moments from scratch ...

                But I think that you don’t understand what or look for a blab in your favor ... Wow, what ... Thoughtful.
                Quote: Shkodnik65
                empty the pond

                So I say good to croak on a dark night.

                And what do you want in continuing the dialogue? Come on, come on ...
                1. Shkodnik65
                  Shkodnik65 21 March 2013 13: 58 New
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                  Quote Tartary
                  So I say good to croak on a dark night.

                  Well, do not want to croak - your will! But you did well! See you laughing
                  1. Beck
                    Beck 21 March 2013 22: 14 New
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                    I’m talking about the “swars” noted in the article about the hoisting of the Victory Banner. Chronologically.

                    "During the fighting not definedwhich banner and over which building can be hoisted so that it becomes the Banner of Victory. "The Reichstag pointed out to the appeal of the command of the 1st Belorussian Front about the main facility in Berlin, on which the Victory Banner should be hoisted,"

                    "In April 1945, by order of the commander of the 3rd Shock Army, Colonel General V. Kuznetsov, 9 assault flags were made (by the number of divisions that were part of the army)"

                    "April 30, 1945 on all-Union radio, also broadcasting to foreign countries, a message passed, that at 14 hours 25 minutes Victory Banner hoisted over the Reichstag

                    "According to the magazine of operations of the 150th Infantry Division at 14 hours 25 minutes April 30, 1945 Lieutenant Rakhimzhan Koshkarbaev and Private Grigory Bulatov hoisted a banner in the central part of the Reichstag, on the facade "
                    During the second assault. Bulatov attached a banner standing on the shoulders of Koshkarbayev.

                    "The first groups of Soviet soldiers could break into the Reichstag only at ten in the evening 30 April. The first to attack the roof of the Reichstag building was an assault group under the command of Captain V.N. Makov - sergeant M.P. Minin and senior sergeants G.K. Zagitov, A.N. Lisimenko and A.P. Bobrov, where the fighters in 22 hours 30 minutes put up a red cloth on the pediment of the front door "

                    "After some time, the soldiers of the assault group of Major M. Cooper immediately strengthened their banner. At 22 hours 40 minutes on the western facade of the roof, scouts of the 674th regiment, led by Lieutenant S. Sorokin, set a third red flag. "

                    "The assault flag, which became the Banner of Victory, was installed on the roof of the Reichstag about three in the morning on May 1. He became fourth in a row the banner. He was hoisted by lieutenant Alexei Berest, sergeants Mikhail Egorov and Meliton Kantaria. "

                    The banner of victory recognized the fourth flag. Officially, the first three flags were destroyed by German long-range artillery fire. It is unclear where this long-range artillery stood in captured Berlin. And why shot at the surrounded, but not yet completely captured Reichstag. And as German artillery truckers aimed at the first flag on the facade of the building and at night two flags on the pediment of the Reichstag. Unofficially, the fourth flag set Georgian Meliton Kantaria together with Ukrainian Berest and Russian Egorov.

                    The rank of Heroes of the Soviet Union was represented by Lieutenant Koshkarbayev, Private Bulatov, ml. Lieutenant Berest, sergeants Kantaria and Egorov. High awards were awarded only to Cantaria and Egorov. The rest received the Order of the Red Banner.

                    By presidential decree of May 7, 1999, Koshkarbaev posthumously awarded the highest degree of distinction - the title of "Halyk Kaharmany" ("People's Hero").

                    On May 6, 2005, for the personal courage and heroism shown in the Berlin operation and the hoisting of the Victory Banner over the Reichstag, the decree of the President of Ukraine Alexey Berest was awarded the title Hero of Ukraine (posthumous).
                  2. Tartary
                    Tartary 22 March 2013 05: 22 New
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                    Quote: Shkodnik65
                    Well, do not want to croak - your will! But you did well! See you

                    Yes, and you fooled on gratitude from the right, at a meeting ... Although it turned out, to be honest, you feel bad ...
                    Probably because you pay a lot of attention to the brave young man -
                    Quote: Shkodnik65
                    Democracy, sir! Each draw ... cheat as he wants.
                    - Oh, and Shkodnik, you are ours ...
                    See you at the cottage ... negative
          2. ULxaw86
            ULxaw86 21 March 2013 10: 19 New
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            History teacher, say ...
            Textbooks for history are written by Americans! Multimedia shows American heroes! And modern teachers who grew up on these films ALREADY teach in schools a subject that they know nothing about!
            Our school teacher read everything from the book! He sits down with the textbook in his hands on the edge of the first desk and rushed ... From the back desks they asked "What color are the cowards!" The answer, as a rule, is: "White, with red peas!" laughing
            So it goes!
          3. vjhbc
            vjhbc 21 March 2013 21: 09 New
            +1
            I agree correctly
        2. dv-v
          dv-v 22 March 2013 06: 06 New
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          yeah, well, but what about the people who are in the know about the film * the flags of our fathers * directing a true Republican conservative eastwood, in which it is very honestly, convincingly and truthfully shown and told about those events?

          The film, by the way, was very impressive in 2006, to tears, moreover, it was spiritually elevating. let's see what Bondarchuk-ml with * Stalingrad * draws.
      2. vjhbc
        vjhbc 21 March 2013 21: 07 New
        +1
        the article is not about what happened in the USSR but about what is happening now
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 21 March 2013 09: 21 New
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      Quote: Tartary
      What generation after generation in Russia lives without knowing about the Great feats of fathers and grandfathers?

      Unfortunately, current generations really do not know their heroes. And this evidence of vandalism at the monuments of the Second World War. I was interested in something else - and who is depicted in the sculpture itself? In Kiev, a long alley leads to the Great Patriotic War Museum, where there are sculptures of partisans, underground workers, and SA soldiers. In particular, there is a sculpture where a group of soldiers (on the liberation of Kiev) moves to the other side of the Dnieper on a boat. There is a figure of a young signalman. This is Hero of the Soviet Union M. Pilipenko (hereinafter referred to as Major General). After he “reached his destination,” he adjusted the artillery fire and, in difficult times, caused the fire to come upon himself. He survived, and received a Hero. So here. This sculpture, like all other warriors, was sculpted directly from the survivors, or from photographs that have been preserved. Previously, the guide always talked about this. Now I do not know. Moreover, completely different “heroes” are forcibly imposed on young people. So this article is another reminder that you can not calm down!
      Indeed, in fact - how many heroes the United States had there, and they extol them to heaven! And we have? And comparing is ridiculous. However, we began to forget about it.
      1. Tartary
        Tartary 21 March 2013 10: 25 New
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        Quote: Egoza
        Moreover, completely different “heroes” are forcibly imposed on young people. So this article is another reminder that you can not calm down!

        Well, the author would have written right away ... What did he use as allegories to lead us like Susanin? We are not Poles for an hour ...
        I decided to put pressure on what? For cheap patriotism? To the envy of the worship of non-Gentiles, adversaries of their heroes?
        Personally, I do not feel such envy, because I’m trying to instill in my youth ... Or who considers family education from serious parents in this sense is extremely not enough - I agree ...
        Although he was especially interested in the school, where the youngest is in 3rd grade, how they are doing with patriotic education ...
        It turned out that such education is being actively conducted, but teachers would be very grateful if parents, at least some ...
        So when do they? That's what everyone thinks: - when do we ???????
        And hto the family will feed and slave Tugriks on trips on vacation in Bali ????
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 21 March 2013 12: 03 New
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          Guys! After all, we are talking about the same thing .... Why are you persuading each other? We, the Slavs, are ahead of the rest in this matter - Beat your own, maybe others will be afraid! But the trouble is - they are not afraid. Just laugh.
          And I just pounded you both - both are right.
    3. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 21 March 2013 12: 23 New
      +5
      and I am proud of Stalin, although there is such a movement to trash him, but I consider him the most effective and productive politician of the 20th century ... I am proud of my history, to take the same pre-Christian Russia, in Constantinople we were called "Land of Cities" ... it costs a lot, we just fell under the powerful western information blow, which still shakes us
    4. vjhbc
      vjhbc 21 March 2013 21: 06 New
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      no, the article is correct in the light of recent events with obscuring the eternal lights of frying people laying their feet on monuments on them
    5. Eugene
      Eugene 21 March 2013 21: 17 New
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      Actually, it’s about Iwo Jima. USSR in other articles. For the author plus. 450 ships against the island 6X3. Um ... In short, the Japs did not lose time.
  2. radio operator
    radio operator 21 March 2013 08: 27 New
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    Let the Yankees be proud of anything. Their right.
    The main thing for us is not to forget about our history, that our grandfathers and great-great-grandfathers can and should be proud of.
  3. Avenger711
    Avenger711 21 March 2013 08: 47 New
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    The fact that the photo is staged, as well as the photo of the installation of the Soviet flag over the Reichstag, is known to everyone who does not care. Only from this the story will not change and the heroism of the soldiers does not cancel.
  4. Explore
    Explore 21 March 2013 09: 31 New
    +5
    An article with a hint of those "creative" (although in my opinion more likely degenerative) sections of the population engaged in song-reading and rewriting our history.
    The most interesting thing is that Svanidze has indirect support from the authorities. And Medvedev’s pearls with peace for what Katyn are worth ...
    1. amp
      amp 21 March 2013 09: 56 New
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      Medvedev is generally an enemy of the people. It is not surprising that the shelf with the oil of Norway was given away. If normal power comes, this freak will be judged.
      1. Tartary
        Tartary 21 March 2013 10: 17 New
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        Quote: amp
        Medvedev is generally an enemy of the people. It is not surprising that the shelf with the oil of Norway was given away. If normal power comes, this freak will be judged.

        It's not about a bun or candy, which someone someone, usually for obvious reasons, gave?
        This is probably about state political and economic problems ...
        Yesterday there was an article about the Arctic ... So there Novegiya and Russia, as part of three more countries, categorically and unanimously object to the entry of other afflicted states into the Arctic Club ...
        Anything to think about? Why did Russia need games with Norway? Or with whom else?
        It is good to confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs, and sweetie with land!
        Think your head - I’ll buy a hat ... (s)
        1. Tartary
          Tartary 22 March 2013 15: 25 New
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          Quote: Tartary
          Think your head - I’ll buy a hat ... (s)

          Advice does not help ...
          Then, for those who love to redden the snow, the advice: - go to the border with China, into the water area near Norway and "Alga!" - Go ahead!

          Then it will become clear and understandable your zealous desire to return what was given not according to your desire, all that causes anger ...

          But "Alga!" nada straight to the Stanovoi Range in China and to the sandy coast of Norway ...
          Who is the first on the list of volunteers? I am writing down...
  5. Indigo
    Indigo 21 March 2013 10: 47 New
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    Gone are the old days
    But their glory has remained for centuries
    And what remains of us
    (add yourself - be honest)
    .....................
  6. zao74
    zao74 21 March 2013 10: 55 New
    +5
    And we allow non-humans to abuse our symbols ...
  7. TRAFFIC
    TRAFFIC 21 March 2013 11: 15 New
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    It was not possible to photograph the hoisting of the flag, as platoon photographer Sergeant Louis Lowry crashed his camera
    Where infa? Here are two photos of hoisting the flag
    After the mountain was cleared of the Japanese, the staffer of the Associated Press agency Joe Rosenthal arrived urgently, who brought with him another flag - a larger one. He was well aware of the importance and need for the feat of American soldiers to be captured on film, and persuaded the Marines to re-play the flag hoisting scene. After several takes, the picture turned out and instantly became a classic.
    where does this infa come from? Participants in the events describe everything in a completely different way. belay I don’t understand why to debunk someone’s myths to create new ones. am
    1. stas52
      stas52 21 March 2013 12: 33 New
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      Take a closer look at the photograph, doesn’t it bother you? The flag is hoisted under a hail of bullets, but this is not noticeable by the behavior of the hovers, it is painfully calm as if walking.
      1. TRAFFIC
        TRAFFIC 21 March 2013 14: 23 New
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        They didn’t hoist him under any hail of bullets, already after hoisting the first flag, after the cries of joy of the infantrymen on this occasion, the Japanese from the caves, who quickly calmed them down, shot at them a little.
  8. Alone
    Alone 21 March 2013 11: 32 New
    +5
    In fact, we need to take an example from Amers in this regard. They raise heroism to single and dubious cases, while in our country historians and politicians denigrate everything really outstanding.
  9. tut ya
    tut ya 21 March 2013 12: 17 New
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    I liked the film of K. Eastwood about this story, “Flags of Our Fathers,” much is shown there, and honesty and truthfulness and lies and dirty politics. This director also has a film, Letters from Iwo Jima, here is a film about the defense of the Japanese garrison
    1. opkozak
      opkozak 21 March 2013 17: 29 New
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      Watched Letters from Iwo Jima.
      After viewing, there was a feeling of deep illogicality. It is evident that the authors were attentive to the historical material, many things are described almost documented, albeit from an American point of view. . In general, the information about this battle is very strange. It is reliably known how many miles of underground passages and how many rooms (about 1500) Japanese cut down in the rocks. But nowhere is it described by what methods the Marine Corps smoked the enemy from the dungeons. Let me remind you that the Brest Fortress, with a garrison of only 3,5-4 thousand people and incomparably smaller scale fortifications, lasted about a month and it was possible to suppress resistance only by flooding the passages. The Americans managed in two weeks. By the way, the Germans also used flamethrowers - it did not help. Military science still does not know how to effectively solve the problem within the framework of the means permitted by the Geneva Convention.
      Well, the film had to be watched twice in order to understand exactly what Eastwood did not understand.
      Let's imagine a typical episode from a Soviet film about the war.
      Here are two soldiers, a young kid and an old communist digging a trench for his anti-tank guns, preparing for a German attack, which they can’t stop a priori. Old writes home a letter like “Dear Ekaterina Matveevna, things are going well with us. We’ll beat the German soon and return home. How is the garden there, will apples be born? ” Then there is a conversation like:
      - Well, Vaska, reluctance to die?
      “Reluctance, Comrade Sergeant.”
      - Do you have a girl?
      - Yes, I didn’t, it was somehow not before
      - This is a pity.
      - Yeah.
      - Do you have a mom?
      - Yes, in Ryazan.
      - Okay, let's put on the gun carriage, otherwise they will soon trample, and we still have no targets.
      For any Russian person, this conversation is transparent and there is no need to explain anything here. Japanese too. The American does not understand what this is about. He only understands that two people really do not want to die like that (as it seems to him) stupidly, so that another two or three tanks burn up before they reach Moscow.
      Clint Eastwood, like a real American, carefully and meticulously studied documents and evidence, and even hired Japanese consultants to explain to him. And they explained, but he still didn’t understand a damn thing.
      Therefore, the film turned out that the Japanese army did not run away with Ivo Jima just because it was an island and there was nowhere to run, the trenches were digging because the authorities ordered, and when it came to shooting everyone fell into pseudo-patriotic hysteria and randomly waved their hands and feet like that soldier who rushed at amers with a stick.
      In American culture, there is no concept that a person can consciously and calmly go to death, knowing that his death will not be decisive in the battle.
      The American hero must either survive and become a symbol of the nation (otherwise why was it a feat?), Or in extreme cases sacrifice himself and thereby finally and irrevocably decide the case in favor of the good guys. Then he is a hero. And the one who died in an unequal battle and did not change the course of history is not a hero, he is a loser, a loser. And he who knew in advance that he would die and not win, he generally There is no other interpretation within American culture. Surely, if the film described the actions of the American army, then it would be all right. But such a logic is not suitable for the story of the Japanese, for they were guided by completely different principles. And based on these incorrect premises, the whole logic of the narrative is built. A clear, reliable logic of facts, directed in a completely false direction.
      The result is a film about what Americans think about the Japanese, and not about what the Japanese think about themselves.
  10. SHOGUN
    SHOGUN 21 March 2013 13: 20 New
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    tut ya + to you. Eastwood has indeed shown how heroes are created in America.

    Alone Rather, the amers drew an example from the Union, which produced heroes not for their quantity. And for the sake of people to have an example, goal, desire.

    The fact that in modern Russia the heroism of dozens of people is called into question is nothing but a betrayal! None of the people who live today are already able to objectively evaluate the events of those years.
    I would really like to see these heroes left alone.
  11. vladimir VR
    vladimir VR 21 March 2013 13: 43 New
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    Purely informative article. In our history of such episodes - the sea, and they apparently have one.
    1. Delta
      Delta 21 March 2013 15: 26 New
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      ONE??? but have you ever heard of two “deltovites” Shugart and Gordon, who volunteered to cover for the wounded helicopter pilots shot down in Mogadishu? they defended the pilot from hundreds of militants and died. They knew what they were doing. And not for the sake of money, apparently. For which they received the posthumously highest military award of the USA - Medal of Honor. And the case of the downed O'Grady. 6 days I got out to my own, eating almost leaves. Are these not heroes?
      1. Atrix
        Atrix 21 March 2013 17: 21 New
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        Quote: Delta
        ONE??? but have you ever heard of two “deltovites” Shugart and Gordon, who volunteered to cover for the wounded helicopter pilots shot down in Mogadishu? they defended the pilot from hundreds of militants and died. They knew what they were doing. And not for the sake of money, apparently. For which they received the posthumously highest military award of the USA - Medal of Honor. And the case of the downed O'Grady. 6 days I got out to my own, eating almost leaves. Are these not heroes?

        Of course these are heroes. Heroes are in all countries. People wake up Russians are no better and no worse than other nations What do you think in America people live of a different sort who are not capable of feats? Or in Britain? I feel sorry for you if you think so sad
  12. Zic
    Zic 21 March 2013 14: 43 New
    +2
    They remember their story and we spit on it and the heroes!
  13. nnz226
    nnz226 21 March 2013 14: 44 New
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    What monument then should be put to the soldiers of the battalion Caesar Kunikov, who organized the Small Land (for the description of which the Secretary General Brezhnev already grabbed the Lenin Prize for Literature). Without artillery preparation and 450 ships, to land with an auxiliary landing in 256 people (yes there were such grabs in the landing, compared to which Remba is a boy from a manger, drooling). But these 256 people per night, COMING AGAINST THE GERMANS (warriors of the 1943 model abruptly more than the Japanese of the 1945 model) captured the bridgehead 5 km along the front and 2 km in depth !!! Arithmetic: even with the exception of losses, 50 people were advancing per kilometer of the front !!! so our marines, if they had such support as that of the Americans, this Iwo Jima would be gutted in a couple of days.
  14. Bosk
    Bosk 21 March 2013 15: 08 New
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    By the way ... somewhere the information slipped that our marine regiment fought from the Far East as part of the American troops in Europe, they also said that after the war, Stalin was a regiment so that they could go without eyes, floated to Siberia to guard the camps ... who knows?
  15. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 21 March 2013 15: 57 New
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    I saw Yegorov, the very one he came to share his memories with youth. But I myself was still so “youth” that I did not remember nifig. And somehow, already at a much more conscious age, I find a tape recording, which, it turns out, was done by my father! How cool it was ... Soviet official propaganda was no longer perceived at all, and Yegorov was not an invention, but a real hero. Strong, smart, calm ... I don’t remember how many times I listened to the recording ... (she disappeared later. I didn’t save. I am sorry now).
    When the battle was over, the victory was already, they with Kantaria and Berest (or Berest died? I don’t remember ... then it seemed as if a cutter had been cut out in my memory. But I don’t remember ...) they were near the Reichstag, where some of them stood. And then the newsreel arrived. They are summoned to the authorities, where the operator stands, prepares his car, and the regiment commander tells them - guys, you have to climb the dome again! We’ll shoot a chronicle about you heroes. Egorov said that a little, sorry, I did not carry obscenities. Glass is broken in the dome! But it was they who gave the metalwork the ultimate rigidity. So he tried from the great honor of that ... to kick out. The dome is shaking, scary! Not in battle ...
    But it all ended, you know, predictably. The commander said - Motherland will order so you climb into heaven! Then Yegorov, laughing, said that for newsreels they climbed the dome three more times. And the chronicle, it seems, really did not work out. What kind of people they were ...
  16. MAG
    MAG 21 March 2013 18: 28 New
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    I read about banzai attacks on Iwo Jima - this is when the cc was tied to a bamboo pole and if you are lucky to break through, chopping with a sword means to destroy more enemies
  17. Watchman
    Watchman 21 March 2013 20: 46 New
    +1
    It's a shame that this monument is known all over the world, and not everyone knows Mother Motherland on the Mamaev Kurgan in Stalingrad and Russia!
    1. Massik
      Massik 22 March 2013 07: 19 New
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      Mamaev Kurgan 23 times passed from hand to hand, and the soldier there still lies immeasurably ....
  18. nok01
    nok01 21 March 2013 22: 05 New
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    As for Iwo Jima, this is the only assault in which the Americans lost more soldiers than the Japanese! By the way, whoever didn’t watch, I recommend “Flags of Our Fathers” and “Letters from Iwo Jima” by Clint Eastwood.
  19. APASUS
    APASUS 21 March 2013 22: 59 New
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    All these soldiers were recorded as heroes, and even the last student knows that one of them was an Indian by blood!
    But what they don’t teach is that he died after the war in a nursing home. That's the kind of American truth she is !!!
  20. Larus
    Larus 22 March 2013 23: 05 New
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    just awesome fights, especially after the Americans raked around the island and only then went swimming, but it turned out that not all Japanese were killed. And it turns out that such “battles” are put on a par with the Battles for Stalingrad, Moscow, etc. d ..