About the possibility of China’s naval blockade

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The Journal of Strategic Studies in February published an article by the American researcher Shon Mirski (Sean Mirski) about the US capabilities to implement China’s naval blockade in the event of war. Mirski considers the blockade as the best, under certain scenarios of military conflict, a variant of hostilities against the PRC, which allows the Chinese economic potential to be destroyed and the Chinese to admit defeat.

Mirski considers that the blockade scenario is feasible in case of “large-scale” hostilities between the United States and China, which occupy an intermediate position between a local conflict and an unlimited war. It is assumed that in such a large-scale conflict we will not talk about the use of nuclear weapons, but at the same time, the United States will fight for its vital interests in the region.

Mirski notes the high dependence of the PRC economy on foreign trade, on the 90% carried out by sea, the need for the country to import about 60% of oil consumed, as well as the concentration of more than 80% of Chinese container traffic in the country's largest ports 10. Due to these factors, a long-lasting, even if not 100%, effective blockade can have disastrous consequences for the Chinese economy.

A key political factor on which the success of the blockade depends, Mirsky considers the ability of the United States to secure the participation of China’s neighbors and, above all, Russia.

China invests heavily in alternative transport corridors to the Indian Ocean bypassing the straits, but for countries such as Pakistan, Afghanistan or Myanmar, the United States can effectively apply political pressure or inflict military strikes on transport infrastructure facilities (for example, Chinese oil pipelines in Myanmar).

As for Russia, in its relation the use of military force is impossible because of its own military potential. At the same time, the Russian Federation itself is not only an important supplier of oil to the PRC (if necessary, Mirsky notes, the limited capabilities of the ESPO pipeline can be supplemented by the use of rail and road transport), but also has significant political influence on the countries of Central Asia that also supply resources to the PRC. (among them Mirsky distinguishes Kazakhstan).

Mirsky admits that at present Russia's participation in the blockade of China looks fantastic, but expresses hope for further rapprochement between the United States and the Russian Federation on an anti-Chinese basis, which should occur due to Russian fears of China. In general, without the participation of Russia, the blockade project of the PRC will remain impracticable, Mirsky admits.

Technically, Mirsky proposes to carry out a blockade using two rings: an outer ring, a long-distance blockade ring, responsible for identification and non-lethal interception, and an inner ring, responsible for non-discriminatory defeat of all targets entering the restricted area. The boundary between the outer and inner rings of the blockade will be the border of the seas adjacent to the People’s Republic of China (that is, the first chain of islands around China - the Japanese Islands, Ryukyu Islands, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Borneo).

The structure of the blockade forces is dictated by the sharp increase in Chinese forces in recent years of isolation of the war zone, which made the use of surface forces in the seas adjacent to China extremely risky. Therefore, the outer ring of the blockade, consisting of surface ships, will operate outside the Chinese range aviation and coastal missiles, mainly in the area of ​​key straits, identifying and inspecting ships, stopping ships heading to China or having Chinese registration.

The internal, lethal ring of the blockade, operating in the area adjacent to the Chinese coast and declared a restricted area, will have American and Japanese submarines as a key component (only two fleet have 71 submarines, Mirsky notes). The second component of the inner ring will be aviation operating from bases located outside the zone of operation of the Chinese forces of the blockade of theater of operations. Submarines and aircraft will attack ships, receiving target designation from a higher command. The third component of the forces of the near blockade may be mine operations.

At the same time, Mirsky notes the actual “atrophy” of the capabilities of the US Navy to carry out offensive mine-firing, and, in particular, the absence of sea mines suitable for use by submarines as of the beginning of the 2013 fiscal year.

Mirski draws on the extremely modest assessment of the anti-submarine capabilities of the Chinese fleet prevailing in the United States, which, combined with the hydrography of the seas adjacent to the People’s Republic of China, which makes it difficult to detect submarine targets, will allow the US and Japanese submarines to "operate freely in the coastal waters of China."

China’s ability to counter such a US strategy is modest. China does not have the forces to break the American blockade away from its shores.

Mirsky's work is important because it allows us to better understand Russia's colossal significance for the unfolding US-China confrontation. The transition of Russia to the camp of the allies of the United States will essentially mean that this confrontation will end in the defeat of China, and before it begins.

At the same time, the firm support of China by Russia leads to a sharp narrowing of the US military and economic leverage over pressure on China. Accordingly, Russian-Chinese transport and energy projects should also be considered from the point of view of their strategic importance for the two countries, and not from narrow economic positions.

The study of the use of nuclear submarines to damage the Chinese economy is also of great importance for Russia from the point of view of ensuring its security in the Far East. Not having, in principle, an opportunity to achieve parity with China in the field of land and ground forces in the Far East, Russia retains a powerful nuclear submarine fleet. Given the dependence of the PRC on maritime trade and the difficulties in providing reliable PLO in the seas adjacent to China, this fleet remains the only effective non-nuclear instrument of military deterrence of China available to Russia. In light of this, the decisions of the Russian leadership on the preservation and development of a nuclear submarine base in Kamchatka, significant investments in the nuclear submarine fleet and plans to deploy new types of submarines in the Far East should be considered absolutely correct and extremely important.
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  1. +27
    16 March 2013 07: 40
    It’s old as a world, typical for centuries of arrogant-Saxon divorce, which is a pitting of the most dangerous competitors, drawing in their war and actually removing the cream from the mutual destruction of the demographic and economic potentials of opponents.
    Voila, as they say, for those who are hesitant to watch the causes, effects and consequences of the 1st and 2nd world wars.
    The way out of this is as simple as the world .... to destroy the impudent Saxons at the root and rid the world of the parasite civilization.
    1. Nevsky
      +5
      16 March 2013 10: 05
      This strange prophecy:

      When Russia makes friends with America, the Americans will quarrel with the Chinese, and when the Chinese get angry and will be on the brink of war with the Americans, but they will get scared and set us on Russia. Before this, the army in Russia will fall apart, and the Chinese will have no problems coping with it .....

      http://www.newsps.ru/neoby-chny-e-yavleniya/prorochestva/prorochestva-otroka-vya

      cheslava-chast-1.html

      P.S. The moral is that, even sectarians know that the Anglo-Saxons can not be trusted! hi
    2. +12
      16 March 2013 10: 53
      You can’t make a deal with the USA and block China from the sea, otherwise it will trample overland and trample not in densely populated Asia and India, but in Russia. Therefore, on the contrary, it is necessary to support China to enter the Pacific Ocean, away from the Russian borders ...
      1. +5
        17 March 2013 06: 14
        Yes, no one is going to, in my opinion, block China)))) This is as always the States wishful thinking))) We are being tested so to speak HERE for lice. Better a bad world with a neighbor than a good war. Who are the states to us? So parasites on our body. Pay attention to the fact that in all wars in the last century, only the USA earned a loud coin, so to whom the stepmother’s war, and for the USA it’s a mother, dear, solid profit.
        1. Beck
          -2
          17 March 2013 08: 47
          Quote: Sirocco
          Pay attention to the fact that in all wars in the last century, only the USA earned a loud coin, so to whom the stepmother’s war, and for the USA it’s a mother, dear, solid profit.


          It seems to me that in the popular opinion that the United States earned a lot of money by 2 MV, there is a misconception about the development of the wartime economy.

          It is not regrettable, but any war, for the victorious countries, develops new technologies to create military equipment, which is then used for peaceful production. The war stimulates the creation of new industries themselves - factories, factories. And in the USSR it was. Only in contrast to the United States and the West on the basis of a command and administrative system. In the West based on the market.

          This is how the USA got rich due to 2MB? What, someone paid them money, during the war, for military equipment, food, material and technical supplies and raw materials supplied through Lend-Lease. No one paid. Because Lend-Lease did not provide for this. Lend-dis gratuitous deliveries totaled $ 610 billion in 2008 prices.

          The war helped the United States develop its economy. This is undeniable. But how? Purely market. The government decided to supply tanks or jeeps, or canned milk powder to the warring allies of Europe, but production volumes were small. The US government gave soft loans for the construction of new factories to its businessmen. Those in a short time created factories and produced products. And the government bought under the Lend-Lease program, these products were delivered free of charge to allies around the world. For such international supplies, the money did not go to the US treasury.

          The benefit turned out to be that factories built during the war (with the money of the US government) made up a large share of production capacities. And these capacities, after the war, switched to the production of peaceful products. And these capacities have given a postwar breakthrough in the US economy.
          1. +3
            17 March 2013 12: 36
            You correctly noted that DURING THE WAR, no one paid for the Lend-Lease. But they "modestly kept silent" that after the war everyone was billed !!!!! Britain paid off in 2006! The USSR refused to pay at all. But Russia agreed. Imagine that we still have a debt under this item of $ 100 million.
            You either write everything or not at all.
            1. Beck
              0
              17 March 2013 19: 51
              Quote: Olegovi4
              But they "modestly kept silent" that after the war everyone was billed !!!!!


              I did not mention it in more detail, but you, if you knew it, were silent.

              Three main provisions of Lend-Lease.

              "1. Delivered materials (cars, various military equipment, weapons, raw materials, other items), destroyed, lost and used during the war, not payable (Article 5)
              2. Property transferred under Lend-Lease, remaining after the end of the war and suitable for civilian purposes, will be paid in full or in part on the basis of those provided by the United States long-term loans (mainly interest-free loans);
              3. In the case of the interest of the American side, undamaged and non-lost technology and equipment must be returned after the war in the United States. "

              The last paragraph looked like this, according to eyewitnesses. Soviet studebakers, jeeps, and other equipment were driven into the press, turned into a cake and, in the form of scrap metal, were sent to the USA, to metallurgical plants.

              Lend-lease in the USSR was supplied on the basis of 5 protocols. And the USSR only paid for the first protocol with gold.

              "" Pre-lend-lease "- from June 22, 1941 to September 30, 1941 (paid in gold)"

              The remaining four protocols were not paid.

              "the first protocol - from October 1, 1941 to June 30, 1942 (signed October 1, 1941)
              the second protocol - from July 1, 1942 to June 30, 1943 (signed on October 6, 1942)
              the third protocol - from July 1, 1943 to June 30, 1944 (signed on October 19, 1943)
              the fourth protocol - from July 1, 1944, (signed on April 17, 1944), formally ended on May 12, 1945, but deliveries were extended until the end of the war with Japan. "

              "It should be noted that the sending of American and British military equipment to the USSR led to the need to supply it with hundreds of thousands of tons of aviation fuel, millions of shells for guns and tens of millions of cartridges for submachine guns and machine guns (different from the weapon calibers used in the USSR), spare tracks for tanks, spare car tires, spare parts for tanks, airplanes and cars.Already in 1943, when the leadership of the allies ceased to doubt the USSR's ability to a long-term war, the USSR began to import mainly strategic materials (aluminum, etc.) and machine tools for the Soviet industry. "

              Something like that. And what after 66 years of the help so necessary for our country at that time to produce ridiculous manipulations. It was - it was. And there’s nothing for today's geostrategic situation to overlay for those years of joint struggle with the most terrible enemy of mankind of all time - Hitler’s FASCISM.
              1. DeerIvanovich
                0
                18 March 2013 10: 19
                free cheese only in a mousetrap, I write you in trolls, you sin on historical subjects. This is not the first time that you have noticed, far from the Truth, an interpretation of the facts concerning Russian history.
                1. Beck
                  0
                  18 March 2013 11: 39
                  Quote: DeerIvanovich
                  you sin on historical subjects. This is not the first time that you have noticed, far from the Truth, an interpretation of the facts concerning Russian history


                  Indicate where I cited data that did not correspond to historical subjects? If only they do not correspond to the jingoistic patriotism, then yes. Indicate and refute.

                  For example, what did I write about Lend-Lease wrong? I have given data and numbers. You are only unfounded reproaches.
                  1. DeerIvanovich
                    0
                    19 March 2013 11: 56
                    olegovi4 already answered you.
          2. +2
            17 March 2013 14: 57
            Of course they didn’t pay money, they paid in gold . How many ships with gold did the Germans flood? And how many after the war were found and raised?
        2. sasha127
          0
          17 March 2013 13: 13
          That's right. And now they are sitting there outside the window and thinking that they would be kavo with someone to play off something to earn more on this.
      2. +1
        17 March 2013 19: 21
        respected ShturmKGB the problem is that a conflict with China cannot be avoided is a fact. a question of time and allies that we will either have or not and China will trample as you say with tracks
    3. +7
      16 March 2013 12: 18
      This tactic not only does not sparkle with the mind, but everything is insolence. We must go against, albeit not an ally, but a neutral opponent, in which case the whole ground attack will fall on us. But the United States wants to fight at sea and that's it.
      Well, if they offer us leasing, Jewish logic, I hope Medvedev will not be on duty, otherwise he passed Libya without thinking.
    4. +4
      16 March 2013 13: 07
      And what almost always happened: a quarrel between the winners (for example: Churchill’s speech in Fulton, the creation of NATO in 1949, which led to the Cold War, and the end of the former friendship of the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition). Russia's participation in the siege of China, yes this is something of a fantasy, but the fact that China may in the future be an adversary of Russia is a true truth. This is indicated by many factors. The main military units of the Chinese army are concentrated on the border with Russia, books with maps are openly sold in stores in China, on which the borders of China go almost across the Urals (including Kazakhstan), and the books call for the restoration of historical reality, that is, the restoration of Chinese empires within the borders of ancient China (supposedly they passed there). I personally watched these books while on a business trip in China from the factory.
      1. +3
        16 March 2013 14: 10
        Quote: starshina78
        I personally watched these books while on a business trip in China from the factory.


        That is why and many more why, only its ARMY AND Navy can be allies of Russia.
        1. Mikola
          0
          17 March 2013 00: 24
          This article suggests that Russia will be able to withstand SAMA in case of conflict, without losing territories. By the way, also a good topic for the article. Maybe the author is not so far away that he writes Russia to the US allies ...
          1. Gluxar_
            +1
            17 March 2013 02: 30
            Quote: Mikola
            This article suggests that Russia will be able to withstand SAMA in case of conflict, without losing territories. By the way, also a good topic for the article. Maybe the author is not so far away that he writes Russia to the US allies ...

            Of course this issue can be closed for a long time. China must be used for its own purposes for the development of the Far East, which today is finally beginning to be realized. The construction of the ESPO and LNG terminals gives Russia excellent opportunities for its own development, regardless of the opinion of the West. Russia is acquiring the key position of the "Middle Civilization" between the West and the East.
            As for the Chinese themselves, they are very nice to Russia and Russian people. He himself spoke with students from China, there is no aggression towards Russia. The fact that Western propaganda wants to pit Russia and China should not surprise anyone, this is the basis for the well-being of the West. To quarrel opponents, pit them and finish off the remaining ones, and then steal and steal.
            However, the attempts of such liars to no avail and the attitude of the Chinese towards the Russians, and the Russians who themselves had the opportunity to communicate with guests from China were always good. And in the context of increasing international instability, communications will only intensify.

            However, you can’t be altruists, the latest changes in relations between China and the United States give Russia excellent chances to receive preferences from both sides. For Russia is self-sufficient, and both Chinese and Anglo-Saxons are interested in us. You need to conduct a competent policy and cut coupons.
            1. Mikola
              +1
              18 March 2013 13: 47
              While retiring, PRC Premier Wen Jiabao threw out a cryptic phrase: "The army's ability to follow its historical mission has increased."
              What kind of mission China has in mind is not completely clear, but it is known: in 2013 its military expenditures will amount to 115,6 billion dollars. Only the United States spends more on defense (633 billion dollars), Russia has already ceded to the Celestial Empire (70 billion ) What is the huge Chinese military budget going to?

              According to Vladimir Yevseyev, director of the Center for Social and Political Research, the number of the Chinese army is 2,25 million people. In service are more than 2 thousand combat aircraft, 4,5 thousand armored vehicles, as well as 8580 tanks. More than 2 of them are the latest Type 99 vehicles, the chassis of which is suspiciously similar to the Russian T-90, and the turret to the American Abrams. So far, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are ahead of the Chinese in all respects, except for the number of personnel.

              “However, Russia is rapidly losing these advantages in terms of both the quantity of equipment and its modernity,” the expert says. “If the rearmament program for our army continues to stagnate, by 2015-2020 China will surpass us in terms of technical equipment.

              But perhaps we shouldn't be afraid of China's military might? What if the "historical mission" meant something else - say, the annexation of Taiwan? Maybe, but some "coincidences" are very alarming. According to Alexander Khramchikhin, deputy director of the Institute of Political and Military Analysis, “the frontal armor of the new Chinese infantry fighting vehicle is clearly designed to withstand the impact of a 30mm projectile, and the side armor - a 14,5mm bullet. By coincidence, the first number is the caliber of the Russian cannon. BMP-2, and the second - the machine gun of the Russian armored personnel carrier. Other countries, including the United States and Taiwan, have their own standards. " It turns out that the Chinese comrades are not going to fight with them, but with us? The whole question is when ...

              There was a similar case of obtaining preferences from the USSR - the Ribentrop-Molotov Pact ....
    5. Mikola
      +1
      16 March 2013 23: 18
      And I would not be so categorical. In China, OFFICIALLY in history textbooks in Russian schools before OMSKA they are indicated as occupied. And even now, in the Far East, Chinese-type private (and in real life state-owned) firms are actually seizing the resources of your country. Is it surprising that they don’t see this on Sakhalin ?! The world has changed and not NATO (which is constantly reducing the number of its armies) threatens Russia and China. You may have a lack of information in your country, but in Ukraine there are many sources and various. Think (s) before it's too late.
    6. Mikola
      0
      16 March 2013 23: 25
      And also (as far as I remember) the thickness of the frontal armor of an armored personnel carrier is exactly thicker than the Russian ones and surprisingly thinner than the NATO ones (and in particular the USA). Conclusions on whom the defense industry of China is aimed at telling? smile
    7. Mikola
      0
      16 March 2013 23: 38
      I also remembered. China’s military doctrine provides for the loss of 30% of army personnel in the event of the use of nuclear weapons. What do you think - where the Chinese army can lose 30% of the composition at sea or on land ?! am Which country China has a common border with ... By the way, it’s not bad to have an analytical article comparing the armaments and quantities of Russia, China, India, the USA, and Japan. But first of all, China and Russia. I think the facts of comparison would have produced the effect of an exploding bomb !!!
      1. Gluxar_
        +1
        17 March 2013 02: 42
        Quote: Mikola
        I also remembered. China’s military doctrine provides for the loss of 30% of army personnel in the event of the use of nuclear weapons. What do you think - where the Chinese army can lose 30% of the composition at sea or on land ?! What country does China have a common border with? By the way, it’s not bad to have an analytical article comparing the weapons and quantities of Russia, China, India, the USA, and Japan. But first of all, China and Russia. I think the facts of comparison would have produced the effect of an exploding bomb !!!

        There are such comparisons and they are in the public domain. The equipment of the Russian army is much higher than that of China, the border is not so long and the terrain there is hard to reach. Nuclear forces surpass China's forces hundreds of times, both in class and in quantity. The possibilities of China in the strategic plan are extremely limited, since it is simply impossible to capture forests and tundra, and to defeat Russia, it is necessary to capture large cities and industries, 98% of which are concentrated in the European part and in the Urals, but the Chinese army can go there thousands of kilometers. To transfer a multi-million army, you need a powerful transport flock, but unfortunately the ships do not go on the ground. For China, it’s much easier to logistically capture the western coast of the United States and transfer the 3 millionth army there than to transfer half a million of its soldiers to the Urals.
        There is an even more significant factor in assessing this situation, it is a gene. The Chinese cannot live and breed in the northern climate. If you look at the demographic map of China, then 90% of its population is concentrated near the southern seas, where there is a huge overpopulation. But even their own territory in the north is uninhabited, even despite the efforts of the central authorities to resettle and develop this region. Well, the Chinese can not live there, it is not comfortable for them.
    8. vitya29111973
      0
      17 March 2013 01: 17
      learn the story, the First World War began after the announcement of Russia's mobilization. And which one !!! blockade, everything is much simpler and without casualties. Close access to Chinese goods in America and the Katayan economic miracle will end on the second day !!!
      1. Gluxar_
        -1
        17 March 2013 02: 45
        Quote: vitya29111973
        learn the story, the First World War began after the announcement of Russia's mobilization. And which one !!! blockade, everything is much simpler and without casualties. Close access to Chinese goods in America and the Katayan economic miracle will end on the second day !!!

        So it is, but only in the USA nothing is being produced. And if Chinese goods are denied access to the United States and Europe, then the local population will quickly be left without all the benefits of civilization, even without cowards. But China can sell its goods to Africa and South America, getting the resources and energy it needs so much. What actually is he already doing.
        Although the fact that China is very dependent on exports is true. Like Germany and Japan. It is not clear who will suffer more as a result of trade wars, but the US globalization project within the WTO will completely fail, this is a fact.
    9. Gluxar_
      -1
      17 March 2013 02: 19
      Quote: Sakhalininets
      It’s old as a world, typical for centuries of arrogant-Saxon divorce, which consists in pitting the most dangerous competitors, drawing in their war and actually removing the cream from the mutual destruction of the demographic and economic potentials of opponents. Voila, as they say for those who are summoning to watch the causes, effects and consequences 1 and 2 world wars. The way out of this is as simple as peace .... destroy the brazen Saxons at the root and rid the world of parasite civilization.

      This is understandable to everyone, but do not forget the results of World War 2, for us they are not as tragic as many draw today. Russia has practically restored what it lost in the 17th year. The entire Warsaw Pact and the creation of the superpower of the USSR is one of the outcomes of that war.
      The article is propaganda, but you need to look wider than it is written. The fact that making friends with the Angosaxians is a way to failure, everyone understands, however, they have the key in their hands to solve the most important geopolitical confrontation ... That's a lot, it's important to use it correctly.
      Seper's tactics are simple, we need to intensify cooperation with China in every possible way, at least declare. And just wait for what the "competitors" will offer. And choose what is good for us.
      The confrontation between the USA and China is inevitable, and its goal is not power over the world. Today there is not a single country capable of this, in the early 90s the United States was, but today they are already too weak. The main bet in this war is Australia. The 21st century will be the era of the Asia-Pacific region and the battle for the resources of this almost untouched continent.
    10. +1
      17 March 2013 14: 41
      The Saxon policy is not new, but given the Asian mentality, there are no friends .... you can’t underestimate the sober notes in the article, after all, China is the most likely opponent in the war of the future.
  2. Goga
    +14
    16 March 2013 07: 42
    Now, if my grandmother had a member, then .... What is the article about? What is the blockade? Everything is said in one phrase - a quote - "In general, without the participation of Russia, the project of blockade of the PRC will remain impracticable, Mirsky admits." - that's all the attempts ... bully
    1. Gemar
      +4
      16 March 2013 11: 59
      Quote: Gogh
      Everything is said in one phrase

      Mr. Mirsky is cunning ... The article should have been called:
      further rapprochement between the USA and the Russian Federation on an anti-Chinese basis, which should happen due to Russian fears of China.

      The Americans do not want to fight, everyone is trying to rake the heat with their own hands.
      1. +2
        16 March 2013 16: 13
        Quote: Gamar
        further rapprochement between the USA and the Russian Federation on an anti-Chinese basis, which should happen due to Russian fears of China.

        The Americans do not want to fight, everyone is trying to rake the heat with their own hands.

        This is impossible primarily because fear and hostility towards the States is greater than towards China. Something I did not hear, that China bombed Canada, imposing Taoism on it.
    2. Gluxar_
      +1
      17 March 2013 02: 49
      Quote: Gogh
      Now, if my grandmother had a member, then .... What is the article about? What is the blockade? Everything is said in one phrase - a quote - "In general, without the participation of Russia, the project of blockade of the PRC will remain impracticable, Mirsky admits." - that's all the attempts ...

      Another thing is important. Both China and the United States need Russia. And if so, then you can bargain a lot. From the West you can bargain for not interfering in the construction of the Eurasian Union, the return of Ukraine and the countries of eastern Europe, from China to ask not to go into Central Asia and help in the Far East.
      And on such a swing you can swing for a long time, it is important that the PRC develop its fleet even more actively.
  3. +4
    16 March 2013 07: 51
    Yes, do not pay attention, the next 3d fantasy of the Anglo-Saxons.
  4. predator.3
    +1
    16 March 2013 07: 52
    China’s ability to counter such a US strategy is modest. China does not have the forces to break the American blockade away from its shores.


    article from the series: "if only; perhaps; maybe", that's really really, if grandmother ... laughing
  5. +8
    16 March 2013 07: 56
    here's the pin-do-sy. "They married me without me." dreamers fueva
  6. +1
    16 March 2013 07: 56
    And they themselves from this blockade (alleged) kirdyk not come? Am I not in military terms, but economic?
    1. Gluxar_
      -1
      17 March 2013 02: 50
      Quote: marsel1524
      And they themselves from this blockade (alleged) kirdyk not come? Am I not in military terms, but economic?

      You know that in the West highly specialized education is too narrow ...
  7. vladsolo56
    +6
    16 March 2013 08: 12
    That anti-Chinese propaganda has intensified on Russian resources, you constantly come across propaganda of threats from China, it is clear to anyone who cannot sleep and really want to quarrel Russia with China. Only one thing is unclear why the Americans decided that they are the smartest? judging by what they do in the world, only complete degenerate can think so.
  8. OlegYugan
    +3
    16 March 2013 08: 23
    Well, and who said that China wants to attack Russia because of territorial claims.
    Mirsky admits that at present, Russia's participation in the blockade of the PRC looks fantastic.
    And the wind blows gentlemen;
    Quote article; China’s strong support for Russia leads to a sharp narrowing of US military and economic leverage over China
    1. Beck
      -1
      16 March 2013 19: 57
      In the near future, for the EurAsEC, the main opponent will not be the United States, but China. As a strong neighbor, whose interests will be distributed primarily to neighboring countries. As an economic competitor both in attracting investments and in sales markets. And mentally, with the assumption of the ancient postulates that everything is subject to Bogdykhan.

      In my opinion. China needs to oppose close cooperation, in all areas, the Eurasian Economic Community and India. Let China look back both north and west about you. There will be less trepidation.

      And India must be armed, not China. The West has long banned the sale of modern weapons to China. And Russia, in pursuit of short-term profits, sold both combat aircraft, tanks, and aircraft carriers to China (it could have opposed the sale of an aircraft carrier by Ukraine). This created modern combat aircraft manufacturing, tank building, and military shipbuilding in China. Who needs this? Neither the West needs this, nor even the Eurasian Economic Community.
      1. Gluxar_
        +2
        17 March 2013 02: 57
        Quote: Beck
        And India must be armed, not China. The West has long banned the sale of modern weapons to China. And Russia, in pursuit of short-term profits, sold both combat aircraft, tanks, and aircraft carriers to China (it could have opposed the sale of an aircraft carrier by Ukraine). This created modern combat aircraft manufacturing, tank building, and military shipbuilding in China. Who needs this? Neither the West needs this, nor even the Eurasian Economic Community.

        It's not about the immediate benefits. Selling old technologies to China, we not only saved our defense industry, but also reoriented the attention of the US-NATO from us to the Chinese. From the fact that the PRC produces carrier-based fighter jets based on our dryers, Washington sleeps the most. And we have time to prepare. China got an opportunity for sovereignty, while it will again be ruled by Russia has time to prepare better. From the increasing role of China in the world, we have benefited far more than anyone on the planet. Now, NATO has a new enemy and they transfer 60% of the resources to the Asia-Pacific region. By the way from our borders.
        1. Beck
          +3
          17 March 2013 08: 03
          Quote: Gluxar_
          From the increasing role of China in the world, we have benefited far more than anyone on the planet


          If in the near future China will occupy the position of the United States as a leading power, then China will not communicate with the world in a Western way, with the prerogative of negotiations. And he will communicate ultimatum and demanding.
  9. -2
    16 March 2013 08: 38
    The USA is our enemy.
    But China is choking on our Siberia with saliva. China is an overpopulated country, with a multimillion-dollar army unemployed, with an even more terrible stratification of society than in Russia.

    China is waiting for us to weaken in order to strike at us, the United States is doing everything possible to weaken us politically and economically from the inside.
    Is the focus clear?

    And what does the sea blockade have to do with it? What nonsense.
    1. +4
      16 March 2013 09: 15
      Quote: Sergg
      China drooling while staring at our Siberia.
      China is waiting for us to weaken in order to strike at us, the United States is doing everything possible to weaken us politically and economically from the inside.
      Is the focus clear?

      What source told you about "drooling"?
      The strategic goal of Chinese foreign policy for 30-50 years is defined - the construction of "Greater China", which includes Hong Kong, Taiwan and Southeast Asia.
      The expansion in this region, the beginning of the implementation of this plan, is already visible to the naked eye. And that is why, in this region, the United States draws together 60 percent of its mobile military force and makes every effort to put together a coalition against China.
      In the same region, by the way, there are significant offshore oil reserves, which are much closer to the industrial regions of China than "chocolate" Siberia.
      1. Kaa
        +2
        16 March 2013 12: 54
        Quote: BigRiver
        in this region, the United States draws together 60 percent of its mobile military force and makes every effort to put together a coalition against China
        "Manufacturers of high-tech products around the world began to feel a shortage of rare earth metals mined in China. About 97% of the world's rare earth metals production is concentrated in China, which makes it an absolute monopoly.Rare earth metals are critically needed for the production of high-tech products, including weapons, electronic equipment, wind turbines, as well as lasers and mobile phones. Without them, it is impossible to create products such as iPad, Blackberry, water filters, lasers and hybrid cars. Using rare earth metals, a significant part of the most complex military equipment is also produced. In particular, the American tank Abrams and the Aegis Spy radar cannot be produced without Chinese samarium. To produce flat-screen TVs and mobile phones, antimonite, cobalt, lithium and tantalum are needed. The automobile industry needs platinum, and indium and gallium are used in the production of solar panels. Rare-earth metal consumers in the US and the EU offer to deal with China with the help of the international community by connecting the G-XNUMX. Representatives of German business demand next year to bring the issue of a stable supply of the world economy with natural resources on the agenda of the GXNUMX Summit. The US Board of Trade believes that freezing the supply of rare metals by China is such an important issue for global industry that it needs to be discussed at the November G-XNUMX summit in Seoul. http://world.eizvestia.com/full/kitaj-beret-za-gorlo-mirovoj-haj-tek
        So China has a simple non-military response to a possible blockade ...
    2. vladsolo56
      +3
      16 March 2013 09: 37
      Here is a clear example of the fact that propaganda is already inside, how is China an enemy to us and nothing else
      1. +2
        16 March 2013 12: 14
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Here is a clear example of the fact that propaganda is already inside, how is China an enemy to us and nothing else

        Is it really a matter of propaganda! The huge land border with China plus the sparsely populated east of Russia! At the moment, China is not the enemy, but in the future it is not known how events will develop! If you want peace, get ready for war! hi
        1. vladsolo56
          +4
          16 March 2013 13: 56
          Defense should certainly be strengthened, only without hysteria, and then if China and America collide, after such a collision, China will no longer need Siberia or the Far East. And if China and America do not collide, then all the more there is no benefit to breaking into Russia, analytically you need to think at least a little
        2. Gluxar_
          -1
          17 March 2013 03: 06
          Quote: ultra
          Is it really a matter of propaganda! The huge land border with China plus the sparsely populated east of Russia! At the moment, China is not the enemy, but in the future it is not known how events will develop! If you want peace, get ready for war!

          It is always necessary to prepare, but the situation has been repeatedly considered by the senior management. Hence the last military doctrine, it is impossible to prepare immediately for everything and the enemies must be determined in advance. For the next century, this is definitely not China.
      2. Gluxar_
        -1
        17 March 2013 03: 05
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Here is a clear example of the fact that propaganda is already inside, how is China an enemy to us and nothing else

        It has always been so. However, today the Russian peasant is much more focused and focused. chtoby be conducted on Western propaganda. Coca-cola and chewing gum are no longer in trend.
    3. +1
      16 March 2013 12: 08
      Quote: Sergg
      But China is choking on our Siberia with saliva. China is an overpopulated country, with a multimillion-dollar army unemployed, with an even more terrible stratification of society than in Russia.

      I absolutely agree with you!
    4. +1
      16 March 2013 14: 14
      Quote: Sergg
      But China is choking on our Siberia with saliva.


      Looking at Siberia, everyone is choking with saliva, but as long as we have a weighty sedative in the nuclear triad, drooling will remain so.
      1. 0
        16 March 2013 23: 07
        Seriously, this Siberia and nafik were not given to anyone by the United States, and even more so by China. A lifeless desert unadapted even for simple survival - this is Siberia. China has FULLY ORDER of more favorable territories to which it claims, and Siberia is a figment of the SICK imagination of Russians. And the United States is using this to exaggerate the alleged desire of China or someone else to seize the "wealth of Siberia", which in reality simply does not exist, especially when it comes to its eastern part, where China allegedly claims. Judging by the reports of MANY here on the forum, the United States will probably succeed in playing off the Russians and the Chinese. But then ANY army of Russia will not help, and simply because AFTER the war with China, the United States will come and without a single shot will take away EVERYTHING they want on BOTH the territory of both Russia and China ... Fight fools fight, as it was already TWO times in Europe ...
    5. Gluxar_
      0
      17 March 2013 03: 02
      Quote: Sergg
      The USA is our enemy. But China is choking on our Siberia with saliva. China is an overpopulated country, with a multimillion-dollar army unemployed, with an even more terrible stratification of society than in Russia. China is waiting for us to weaken, to strike at us, the United States is doing everything possible to weaken us politically and economically from the inside. Is the focus clear? And what does the sea blockade have to do with it? What nonsense.

      A very funny proposal construction, that is, do you think Russia has been weakening for the last 10 years? And by 2020 will become so weak that China will capture it? If it was necessary to push on the Russian Federation, then the year is 96-97.

      About China. Overpopulation there is not due to the geographical size of the country, but because the Chinese, by their genetics, live well and do not get sick only in territories near the warm southern seas. 60% of the territory of China is deserted, although living conditions there are much milder than ours in Siberia. In China there is no army of the unemployed, there is and an army of pensioners is growing there, which in the next 20 years will become 60% of the population.

      And the sea blockade is because all of China is concentrated along a narrow coastal strip, both human and productive resources. A strike from the sea is extremely dangerous for China. And the United States simply does not have other opportunities.
  10. 0
    16 March 2013 08: 41
    Oh and visionaries these Americans are funny to read laughing but it is necessary (read in the sense) smile
  11. +5
    16 March 2013 09: 01
    A very good note showing the logic, the main essence of American policy towards Russia. Saying: gentlemen of politics, do what you want, but without dragging Russia to our camp, a kirdyk will come to us.
    Only...
    The transition of Russia to the camp of the US allies will essentially mean that this confrontation will end in the defeat of China, before it even begins.

    And then Russia itself will become an insignificant subject.
    1. vladsolo56
      +2
      16 March 2013 09: 38
      That is true, but in Russia there are a lot of fools who believe everything they weave in the states.
      1. -2
        16 March 2013 12: 47
        In my opinion, the blockade of China itself, even without Russia’s participation in it, can lead to a conflict between the two countries, because with a lack of resources, China will either have to reconcile (in my opinion this is not possible) or take it by force - and this is closest take in Asia and Siberia - they will go into the bank
        1. vladsolo56
          0
          16 March 2013 13: 58
          Nonsense, you have to be crazy to lose your only strong ally. Why did you decide that the leadership of China is fools, judge by their successes so people there are much smarter than ours.
          1. 0
            16 March 2013 14: 03
            Do the Chinese know that they are our allies? It should be warned.
            1. 0
              17 March 2013 12: 55
              Let's just say that the Chinese are more aware that we are more likely to start a war with the United States and not with them.
          2. 0
            16 March 2013 14: 31
            if they acquire resources and technologies, they don't care about allies! when it touches the question of the survival of their country, they are unlikely to argue) + they perfectly understand that for Russia it would be better if China was a "younger" brother as it once was, and did not dare to contradict and threaten ... ...
        2. Gluxar_
          0
          17 March 2013 03: 11
          Quote: Dart Weyder
          In my opinion, the blockade of China itself, even without Russia’s participation in it, can lead to a conflict between the two countries, because with a lack of resources, China will either have to reconcile (in my opinion this is not possible) or take it by force - and this is closest take in Asia and Siberia - they will go into the bank

          Already the second character here writes with avatars from Star Wars, it’s probably they have such an identification signal this week.
          In the event of a blockade, China will go all in and capture Anglo-Saxon Australia, as well as destroy US bases in the region and calmly buy resources in Iran and Africa.
          In the event of a confrontation with the strongest military state in the world, the best tactic would be to declare war on the second most powerful state on the planet?
          How are you only recruited? Although the rudiments of logic and strategic thinking are probably not required ...
  12. 0
    16 March 2013 09: 47
    They built an economic monster with their own hands, and now they are trying to construct horror stories!
    If you just hypothetically block production in China, the economic crisis will blow all US exchanges in one day !!
    China only buys garbage in the United States - $ 1 billion, and how much the United States buys in China ???
  13. WS
    -2
    16 March 2013 10: 09
    No matter how biased I am, the main vector of the state and personal policies of the Chinese is aimed at expansion around the world, and for more than 100 years, they simply have nowhere to go, there is no other way (for the Chinese).
    1. +1
      16 March 2013 10: 27
      Quote: WS
      No matter how biased I am, main vector Chinese public and private policy aims to expansion around the world, and for more than 100 years ....

      Wow :))
      That is, immediately after the "Boxing Uprising" ..., during the revolution ..., ten-year civil war ..., then - the occupation of Manchuria by Japan, the war with Japan, etc. - all this time there was Chinese expansion somewhere there?
      laughing
      Well, why did they fight there over 100 years and where did they expand?
      1. -1
        16 March 2013 23: 15
        Dear BigRiver Yes, do not pay attention to the comments of fools or employees of non-governmental organizations. No arguments affect such ones - they, like the capercaillie, flow and flow. They have such a task ...
      2. Gluxar_
        +1
        17 March 2013 03: 13
        Quote: BigRiver
        Wow :)) That is, immediately after the "Boxing Uprising" ..., during the revolution .., ten-year civil war .., then - the occupation of Manchuria by Japan, the war with Japan, etc., all this time was the Chinese expansion out there somewhere? Well, why did they fight there for 100 years and where did they expand?

        I don’t even bother commenting on such opuses. The guys are completely messing up something, but given the State Department’s failures, the personnel policy failure is also evident in the Russian direction.
  14. djon3volta
    0
    16 March 2013 10: 14
    the trick is that the amers in the past didn’t take into account that Russia would grow near by first world economy! how would amers behave if Canada or Mexico grew to the level of China? the Yankees are trying to set Russia against China, they say let's be friends against China .. but we need it, we ask ourselves?
    China is not a threat to us, neither political nor military, although we border, but the United States is both a military and political threat to both China and Russia, and we all understand that.
    1. +1
      16 March 2013 23: 25
      I want to add that really the amers (Jews) have missed here and are trying to at least fix the mistake. The mistake is that CREATING the mighty economy of China and DESTROYING the mighty economy of Russia, they DOOMED both of these countries to the UNION. Russia - raw materials, China - products. And this is understood both in Russia and in China. And because of this, neither there nor there ANYONE will come up with the idea to WAR with each other. And we see desperate attempts to quarrel, or even just to sow the seeds of mistrust between Russia and China. But even SIMPLE people in Russia SEE it.
      1. djon3volta
        0
        17 March 2013 08: 36
        here I am about it. The Americans did not foresee that China would become like that, and that’s good. For trade with China, Russia does not need sea and air transportation over long distances (this is a saving), all the goods go by trans-rail!
        In general, the Africans were swaying))) by the way, in Alaska they are increasing their missile defense not against the DPRK but against China, the DPRK is an excuse.
  15. +2
    16 March 2013 10: 21
    desires and plans of the so-called "strategists" - from the realm of fantasy ...

    Under certain conditions, Russia is clearly becoming the strategic rear of China with all the consequences ...
  16. stranik72
    +1
    16 March 2013 10: 22
    The United States used China against the USSR in the DRA, let it now turn out to be with China, as with Bin Laden, I do not mind, about our participation, we stand aside and observe the USA in the last 50 years, so much damage has been done to us that it is not it is forgotten, and the revolutions of 1905 of 1917 and the intervention in the Far East, too, didn’t happen without them, so we have an unpaid bill for them. Waiting, sir. About China, there is one policy, the principle of peaceful coexistence with the strengthening of our borders and nuclear deterrence forces, plus mutually beneficial trade.
    1. 0
      16 March 2013 14: 29
      good strategy :)
  17. 0
    16 March 2013 10: 22
    Something they suddenly realized. China's fleet is growing both quantitatively and qualitatively. Moreover, the shipbuilding capacities of China are also growing beyond their years, so there can be no talk of any sea blockade.
    1. 0
      16 March 2013 11: 48
      Quote: Nayhas
      ... China's fleet is growing both quantitatively and qualitatively. Moreover, China's shipbuilding capacity is also growing beyond its years ...

      All the visual power of the Air Force, Navy and Land of China is a big XZ.
      Modern practice then the database, starting from planning and further on the list - ZERO.
      Last year, in the summer, our naval officers were trained in joint exercises.
      The language of instruction was Russian :)
      1. Gluxar_
        -1
        17 March 2013 03: 17
        Quote: BigRiver
        All the visual power of the Air Force, Navy and land of China is a big "HZ". The modern practice of the DB, starting from planning and further down the list, is ZERO. Last year, in the summer, our naval forces trained them on joint exercises. The language of teaching was Russian :)

        Of course, this is partly true. Any Chinese threat, both military and economic, always increases significantly in relation to the real one. Not today, not in the next 20 years, China will be unable to confront the United States in a full-blown war. However, in a local conflict and in resolving its territorial issues, China is still superior to all its neighbors in the Asia-Pacific region.
      2. 0
        17 March 2013 09: 56
        If so, then the Russian fleet also has no DB practice, only theory. How do you know what is being done in the Chinese headquarters, what training programs they have, etc.? And the fact that the Russian language was used in the naval exercises last year is because our officers do not know Chinese, while the Chinese officers "for some reason" learn Russian and it was easier for them to communicate with Russians in Russian.
  18. Ruslan_F38
    +1
    16 March 2013 11: 40
    Anglo-Saxons in their repertoire, we’ll bleed everyone, and then add the rest. You need to understand that these people have no moral foundation, in other words, everything human is alien to them.
  19. amp
    amp
    0
    16 March 2013 11: 45
    If this happens, then Russia will make good money on oil.
    And China will not trample on Russia anywhere.
    The most stupid thing during the war with the United States is to attack Russia again.
  20. 0
    16 March 2013 11: 51
    And where did such a thought come from that China wants to attack us? After all, if you think logically, then it is more profitable for China to be friends with us as we are with them, and this is recognized both by us and by them, because creating an alliance, and even coupled with India, is easier for America wakes up to block not the floor of the globe, but its north American continent. And on the subject of a larger army ... since the big ship is told more sailing, just like Russia, too, a strong army and navy will not interfere, so if we say Estonians want to drum a couple of aircraft carriers, this wakes up strange and dumb.
  21. gladiatorakz
    -1
    16 March 2013 11: 51
    The sea blockade is indeed the weakness of China. I read several forecasts of the Russia-China collision. In 2, Russia can win thanks to the naval blockade. So all these issues have long and tightly been considered by Russian military strategists. The Chinese also understand this - they are dumping mountains of money in the development of the fleet. It is important for Russia to prevent China-NATO treaties. Because these two forces can divide the world without demand. There are many comments here that China does not need our Far East and Siberia AT ALL !! ?? what I think that if China continues its line of development (and it will), then Siberia and the Far East are simply necessary for them. Oil, gas, timber, water, rivers, rare earth metals, etc. China is ready for big losses, they don't care. 20-50 million. Will Russia be able to resist him? Great question. Besides China, one should remember about Japan. Powerful fleet, territorial claims. Why am I all this? While the US distracts China, we need to strengthen ourselves. And do not harbor any illusions about "friendly" China. Only he will develop so much that he will consider himself safe from the USA, Japan, Vietnam - he will immediately attack.
    1. amp
      amp
      +2
      16 March 2013 12: 00
      This is not a question - of course it can. A couple of nuclear strikes will greatly die Chinese fervor.
      1. gladiatorakz
        0
        16 March 2013 12: 23
        Quote: amp
        This is not a question - of course it can. A couple of nuclear strikes will greatly die Chinese fervor.

        Maybe. Or maybe not. We have no medium-range missiles. Destroyed along with the United States. And China does. In addition, if an army of 2-5 million forces Cupid, then what to hit on its territory? Or consider her not your own? Together with the few Slavs remaining there. In addition, who will give the order for a nuclear strike? For some time, negotiations will continue with the EU and the USA on the possibility of using nuclear weapons. In the event of an ultimatum from NATO, it hardly makes any sense to recall nuclear weapons.
        In addition, China is actively preparing for nuclear war. Manufactures are distributed throughout the country. (Unlike Russia, where there are industrial centers) Underground shelters are being built. Both for people and for technology. Aviation
        Even if there is a blow to China and he quietly sits on the ass. How to use water from all northern rivers? Who will stay there? Work? Probably some Chinese?
        1. amp
          amp
          +2
          16 March 2013 12: 34
          Damn what nonsense you are writing now! )))
          What the hell is NATO ultimatum? Why should we negotiate with them about the use of nuclear weapons?

          As for China, everything is simple: as soon as China begins to concentrate troops on our border (the very millions that you write about), Russia destroys them directly on Chinese territory, without waiting for them to occupy ours?

          Nuclear shelters? And what, will they save these very industrial centers from destruction and radioactive contamination?
          In general, your post is continuous laughter.
          1. gladiatorakz
            -1
            16 March 2013 12: 47
            Quote: amp
            In general, your post is continuous laughter.

            I'm glad that someone cheered up. Everything has its time. Once upon a time I was the same carefree, non-senseless. Listen to less TV, understand more yourself.
            1. amp
              amp
              0
              16 March 2013 12: 51
              No, I’m not against Russia being able to do without nuclear weapons. Just a massive invasion of the Chinese army is now unlikely.
              Of course you need to rivet the submarine.
              1. gladiatorakz
                -1
                16 March 2013 13: 05
                Quote: amp
                Just a massive invasion of the Chinese army is now unlikely.

                But I’m not speaking for now. It is necessary to look at 5-15 years near-term perspective, 40-60 medium, 50-150 distant. Indeed, in fact, the war is already going on. How many thousands are resettled annually? Only one figure is known. TO FIG! What will this lead in 10-20 years? And after 50? Despite the fact that they give birth to children, start a business, get into the management of the regions (while the regions). That is, their number and influence is growing every year. What is happening with the Russians? 1. Give birth little. 2. They leave for the center of the country. 3. Alcohol 4. Drug. 5. Parenting? Where is it? 6. The media. Without even digging deeper, it can be seen that the number and influence of Russians is falling every year.
                Maybe China will not have to fight?
                1. Gluxar_
                  0
                  17 March 2013 03: 28
                  Quote: gladiatorakz
                  But I’m not speaking for now. It is necessary to look at 5-15 years near-term perspective, 40-60 medium, 50-150 distant. Indeed, in fact, the war is already going on. How many thousands are resettled annually? Only one figure is known. TO FIG! What will this lead in 10-20 years? And after 50? Despite the fact that they give birth to children, start a business, get into the management of the regions (while the regions). That is, their number and influence is growing every year. What is happening with the Russians? 1. Give birth little. 2. They leave for the center of the country. 3. Alcohol 4. Drug. 5. Parenting? Where is it? 6. The media. Without even digging deeper, it is clear that the number and influence of the Russians is falling every year. Maybe China will not have to fight?

                  And how many thousands are moving? There are 60 times less Chinese in Russia than Tajiks. This is all the myth of mass settlement. There are businessmen who work and make money. But these people will quickly turn to stone. Or do you think that all immigrants, at the first order of the old leaders, will revolt and become saboteurs? What nonsense are you writing. In this case, America is already over. There are 90% immigrants. There are tens of times more Chinese in the USA and Japan than in Russia. We do not really live with them, the climate is not the same, the mentality of the earth. And do not forget that not all the non-settlement of China are Chinese, there are also many nationalities there, not all heat-loving Han Chinese. Some lived more niggly than the rest and have a mediocre relationship to China.
                  1. gladiatorakz
                    -1
                    17 March 2013 13: 23
                    Quote: Gluxar_
                    What nonsense are you writing. In this case, America is already over. There are 90% immigrants.

                    I will tell you a secret: the USA is about to end. Convincing you and proving something to you is not my task. Something to understand you will not allow your level of development. Or underdevelopment. Which side to look at.
                    1. +1
                      17 March 2013 13: 31
                      Quote: gladiatorakz
                      I will tell you a secret: the USA is about to end. Convincing you and proving something to you is not my task

                      Well, so you have revealed the secret, but how to prove it in the bushes

                      Quote: gladiatorakz
                      Something to understand you will not allow your level of development. Or underdevelopment

                      author burns
                      fool
                      1. gladiatorakz
                        0
                        17 March 2013 14: 38
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, so you have revealed the secret, but how to prove it in the bushes

                        Quote: gladiatorakz
                        Convincing you and proving something to you is not my task

                        Quote: atalef
                        author burns

                        Quote: gladiatorakz
                        Something to understand you will not allow your level of development. Or underdevelopment.
          2. gladiatorakz
            -2
            16 March 2013 13: 08
            Quote: amp
            What the hell is NATO ultimatum?

            The one that was during the war with Georgia. Why did the airborne forces stop? After all, Tbilisi could already be picked up and hanged immediately.
            1. amp
              amp
              0
              16 March 2013 13: 22
              No one set a goal to capture the teddy bear


              The airborne forces stopped because the airborne forces lost contact and flooded Tbilisi, where no one planned to direct him.
            2. Gluxar_
              +3
              17 March 2013 03: 32
              Quote: gladiatorakz
              The one that was during the war with Georgia. Why did the airborne forces stop? After all, Tbilisi could already be picked up and hanged immediately.

              The comrade must have just come off the moon or from the TV. So for reference, Georgians, as it were, are not our enemies, also Orthodox and generally friendly enough. The fact that in the era of the collapse of the USSR and gaining sovereignty, traitors and criminals came to power there does not make the whole nation our enemies. They grinded those mercenaries who were hiding in killing civilians, the military equipment and technologies of NATO were requisitioned in the required number, the bases on American money built were destroyed. Why spend money on the killing of an innocent kindred nation? And then also restore at your own expense? DO NOT watch FOX News and do not listen to Ukrainian Natsik shortcomings, they will not teach good.
              1. gladiatorakz
                -1
                17 March 2013 13: 31
                Quote: Gluxar_
                The comrade must have just come off the moon or from the TV.

                The fact that you are trying to offend or offend me somehow shows that you are poorly educated. I express my point of view, and you turn to the individual. Stupid.
                Quote: Gluxar_
                So for reference, Georgians, as it were, are not our enemies, also Orthodox and generally friendly enough.

                And where in my comment I said that Georgians are enemies? Write yourself a certificate of vision. And for the head of something.
                Quote: Gluxar_
                DO NOT watch FOX News and do not listen to Ukrainian Natsik shortcomings,

                Do not indicate what to do and you will not be sent on a sexual journey. Why are you dragging Ukrainian nationalists? Maybe one more reference about the people of Ukraine? It's boring and unproductive to talk with a pompous fool.
        2. Gluxar_
          +4
          17 March 2013 03: 22
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          Maybe. Or maybe not. We do not have medium-range missiles. Destroyed along with the United States. And China does. In addition, if an army of 2-5 million forces Cupid, then what to hit on its territory? Or consider it not your own? Together with the few Slavs remaining there. In addition, who will give the order for a nuclear strike? For some time, negotiations will continue with the EU and the USA on the possibility of using nuclear weapons. In the event of an ultimatum from NATO, it hardly makes any sense to recall nuclear weapons. In addition, China is actively preparing for nuclear war. Manufactures are distributed throughout the country. (Unlike Russia, where there are industrial centers) Underground shelters are being built. Both for people and for technology. Aviation Even if there is a blow to China and he quietly sits on the ass. How to use water from all northern rivers? Who will stay there? Work? Probably some Chinese?

          And in order not to get into such questions, read the military doctrine of Russia. This is not just a piece of paper, it is a law. The soldier will not even think whether he will press the button or not, he will do it without hesitation in case of conflict. Russia has the largest stockpiles of tactical nuclear weapons in the world. We do not need medium-range missiles, we can get by with bombs.
          Infection from the use of nuclear weapons is severely costly, nuclear weapons are not old nuclear reactors, the main energy is released simultaneously. China has no technology for transferring such an army to the undeveloped infrastructure of that region, such armies can only be quickly transferred by the fleet. But it is on the coast of Australia or Japan.
          1. gladiatorakz
            -2
            17 March 2013 13: 40
            Quote: Gluxar_
            Infection from the use of nuclear weapons is very expensive

            May be. And as a result of this nakashmarivaniya people will begin to intensively leave the areas adjacent to the possible zones of infection.


            Quote: Gluxar_
            China has no technology for transferring such an army to the undeveloped infrastructure of that region, such armies can only be quickly transferred by the fleet.

            1. Countries are capitalized. 2. You also would have something to drink for attention.
            Quote: gladiatorakz
            But I’m not speaking for now. It is necessary to look at 5-15 years near-term perspective, 40-60 medium, 50-150 distant.

            Demagogy does not even allow you to read what you are trying to dispute. But you do not lose hope. Read three times - this should help a bit.
          2. rereture
            0
            17 March 2013 16: 32
            Quote: Gluxar_
            Infection from the use of nuclear weapons is very expensive


            I agree that nuclear weapons are now being made on such transuranic elements during the decay of which rapidly living isotopes are formed.
            Due to this, economic activity can be carried out 7-20 years after its application.
  22. +1
    16 March 2013 12: 06
    Oddly enough, but China, having a large land territory, in its state structure is not a continental power, but a sea power. Correctly, the article noted that the entire economy is tied to the sea trade, especially the supply of hydrocarbons and the export of all the cheap stuff that the Chinese slap. The main weakness of the Chinese, in addition to the huge number of eaters, is lack of self-sufficiency, such as Russia, which, quite recently, they wanted to deprive of this. Those. to pump hydrocarbons from Russia, etc., but deprive Russia of the opportunity to produce meat, grain and manufactured goods (such European integration to milk Russia and sell everything to it). Why do NATO people like Arab sheikhs, they sell oil to NATO, and with the proceeds from NATO they buy everything, including golden toilet bowls for the sheikhs. Unfortunately for the "puppeteers" in Russia, now (glory to Onishchenko) agricultural development is underway, and high-tech has been restored due to the Soviet potential and the intellectual and technical level of Russians. Well, the blockade and hunger for the Chinese.
  23. 0
    16 March 2013 12: 18
    The US fleet has been shrinking over the past 15 years. And the process is not slowing down. Of the 680 ships in 1990, 320 remained. In the near future they will lose all the cruisers of Ticonderoga.
    1. amp
      amp
      +1
      16 March 2013 12: 37
      As I understand it, they do not saw them for scrap, but put them on conservation.
      They even have battleships of the 2nd world preserved until now.
  24. +2
    16 March 2013 12: 43
    As for Russia, the use of military force in its relation is impossible due to its own military potential. - caresses the ear, damn nice sounds laughing Actually the rhetoric itself is killing! Open all! And if China is a little ahead of it - two weeks will not put the West Nothing! ???? they will leave in a stone age !!!! almost everything, and everywhere made in China !!!!! Interesting - someone, someday, will teach the politeness of these presumptuous morons! ????
    1. amp
      amp
      0
      16 March 2013 12: 55
      In China, 95% of rare earth metals are mined, without which no Iphone is possible.
      1. +2
        16 March 2013 14: 35
        well - you won’t be fed up with rare-earth metals) + they will impose a blockade ... and Iphone is of dubious value, only in the former USSR they buy phones - which are a couple of times more than a month's salary, there is no money for a minibus at the end of the month - but with an iPhone!
        1. amp
          amp
          0
          16 March 2013 21: 56
          Well here is not only an iPhone, but the whole modern electronics.
    2. 0
      17 March 2013 13: 03
      Quote: Dart Weyder
      teach the courtesy of these presumptuous morons

      Yes, as I look, they do a good job themselves, and we help the Chinese a bit laughing
  25. +4
    16 March 2013 13: 02
    And there is nothing to add, forum users guess who wedges
  26. 0
    16 March 2013 13: 19
    Quote: amp
    As I understand it, they do not saw them for scrap, but put them on conservation.
    They even have battleships of the 2nd world preserved until now.

    You are mistaken the battleships on conservation are gone. As for Ticonderoge, they will not be preserved. They are written off due to an unsuccessful design; all add-ons crack in them (structural miscalculation)
  27. AlexMH
    0
    16 March 2013 13: 26
    From a purely military point of view, against China with its rather powerful coastal defense forces (thousands of medium-range missiles and cruise missiles were made there), only a distant blockade is possible. On the other hand, such a blockade will not prevent China from finally occupying Taiwan, which the United States is supposedly committed to defending. But most importantly, the hypothetical situation described in the article does not make sense - the economies of China and the USA are so tied to each other that with the same success, Americans could block their own ports. And China would continue to trade with Europe through Russia :)
  28. +1
    16 March 2013 14: 11
    And if the US declares a blockade, how long will it last?
  29. +2
    16 March 2013 15: 05
    What kind of blockade? They give us Korea, Vietnam, India, Iran, Iraq. The rest is theirs. America, I think, is also worth dividing.
    1. Gluxar_
      0
      17 March 2013 03: 36
      Quote: Vasya
      What kind of blockade? They give us Korea, Vietnam, India, Iran, Iraq. The rest is theirs. America, I think, is also worth dividing.

      It’s ridiculous. Are we in our pocket or in butovo put?
  30. +2
    16 March 2013 17: 05
    It is easier to block the United States, Britain, Japan, etc. by the list. ... there will be less stink on Earth
  31. 0
    17 March 2013 01: 43
    Oh ... they started their blockade as soon as possible, and yet "YES" our 100 pounds will support the vile idea of ​​the blockade ...
  32. fenix57
    +1
    17 March 2013 04: 10
    ShturmKGB
    You can’t make a deal with the USA and block China from the sea, otherwise it will trample on land and trample not in densely populated Asia

    Sorry, I repeat, China while our strategic partner. But it is not in vain that our leadership "is drawing closer to India and Vietnam. To gain a foothold there, in my opinion, is a (distant) strategy.
    1.Do not allow amers to go to this area.
    2. If necessary, influence China ourselves. hi
  33. +1
    17 March 2013 15: 20
    The next article will be titled "On the Possibility of Deploying Chinese Missiles in Cuba."
    Florida property prices will collapse.
  34. -1
    19 March 2013 07: 38
    expresses hope for a further rapprochement between the US and Russia on an anti-Chinese basis, which should happen due to Russian fears of China.

    Lord have mercy, what are the fears of China? Recently arrived from China, and such a friendly attitude towards the Russians did not occur in any country.
    And the myth of fear of China is developing liberoids at the direction of the Phasington Regional Committee.