Forgotten victory: about the raid of Soviet bombers on Taiwan. Surprise for the samurai

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Forgotten victory: about the raid of Soviet bombers on Taiwan. Surprise for the samurai
Far right is F. P. Polynin, next to him is P. V. Rychagov. Heroes of China with such different fates


The USSR comes to the rescue


In this material we complete what we started in articles Samurai go on the warpath и Chinese knot conversation.



In the fall of 1937, the USSR began supplying weapons to China, designed, as the orientalist historian R. A. Mirovitskaya writes, to meet the needs of 20 divisions. Together with weapons 5000 military specialists, instructors and volunteer pilots arrived in the Middle Kingdom.

Of course, the success of operations is determined not only by the number of divisions, the quantity and quality of weapons, and the ability to use them, but also by competent planning, which will be demonstrated shortly after the events discussed here by the Polish and French campaigns of the Wehrmacht, the Great Patriotic War, and decades later by the Arab-Israeli wars.

Accordingly, the future famous commanders V.I. Chuikov and P.S. Rybalko went to China as military advisers.

In general, our military advisers have been there since the 1920s. In particular, V.K. Blucher. True, it is not very clear what Chiang Kai-shek, a professional military man who knew the theater of combat operations well, could have advised; a future marshal who did not have a major education, with a muddy biography, and whose incompetence manifested itself in 1938 on Hassan?

Regarding arms supplies, we are interested in aircraft. Among them were the newest SB bombers. Our specialists also serviced them, since the Celestial Empire had not previously imported aircraft from the USSR, and the Chinese had problems operating unfamiliar machines.

Historian S. A. Averchenko quotes lines from a report to the Intelligence Directorate of the Red Army of the military attache at the Plenipotentiary Representative Office of the USSR in China, Corps Commander E. D. Lepin:

“Due to poor maintenance of equipment, the percentage of aircraft failures for various reasons is significant... Regarding the technical staff, it must be noted that they are careless in their work, there is no clarity, no attention to detail, as a result of which there are repeated cases of premature wear and damage to equipment … There are no highly qualified technical personnel, the training of mechanics and other specialists is insufficient, and the care of the machines is careless. No stock in the country aviation specialists."

And this is in the face of superior enemy forces: in total, as Chinese Air Force historian A. Demin writes, in Manchuria and Korea there were only up to 420 combat aircraft in service (excluding the 3rd and 9th air regiments) and up to 100 aircraft in reserve

The advantage of the Japanese was expressed not only in numbers, but also in skill, largely due to the strict and effective training of the pilots, as evidenced by the memoirs of the best of them, Saburo Sakai.

At the beginning of hostilities, the Kuomintang had 296 aircraft and only 230 mechanics for them.

The result of the very first air battles turned out to be predictable: by November 1937, the number of Chinese Air Forces was reduced to 30 aircraft.

Our specialists did everything possible to prepare their Chinese colleagues in a short time, paying special attention to those who had to work with the latest high-speed - up to 420 km/h - SB.

The mentioned speed - by the way, higher than that of the American Martin B-10s available to Chiang Kai-shek - allowed our pilots to evade pursuit by enemy fighters.


In general, Soviet supplies allowed the Chinese to make up for losses:

“In total, during the national liberation war of the Chinese people against the Japanese invaders,” writes A. S. Averchenko, “during 1937-1940. The Soviet Union supplied China with 1250 aircraft of its own production: heavy bombers TB 3 and DB 3, high-speed bombers SB, fighters I 15 (with modification I 15bis) and I 16.”

If we consider the given data from the financial side, then, according to A. Demin, by 1940

“the total cost of weapons, military equipment and military equipment supplied by the Soviet Union to China reached 122.527.749 US dollars, which in Soviet money was 649.397.063,7 rubles.”

The Chinese, despite the shortcomings noted by Corps Commander E.D. Lepin, on the whole turned out to be diligent students, but without our help, the Kuomintang Air Force faced a new defeat. It will overtake them after the Soviet specialists return home, which is discussed below.

The defeat of the Air Force made the success of ground operations impossible. For already in the second half of the 1930s, the correctness of the Italian Major General Giulio Douhet became obvious: victory on land is preceded by air supremacy.

The Japanese were fully aware of this:

“The first years,” write historians I.V. Volkov and I.V. Ivanov, “of Japanese aggression in China were characterized by massive air strikes by the interventionists against strategic enemy targets. Moreover, the scale of operations of this nature exceeded similar operations of the Italian Air Force during the period of aggression in Abyssinia, as well as air confrontation in Spain... Troop concentrations, transport communications, railway junctions, headquarters, and communication points were subjected to air strikes. However, the bombing of China's densely populated centers posed a particular danger. They led to large-scale destruction and numerous casualties.”

Advisors, pilots, planes - a test of strength


What was needed was a success that could boost the morale of the Kuomintang Air Force. Chinese intelligence managed to find out that there was an airfield in Taiwan where unmasked, disassembled planes were located in open areas.

The Japanese knew about the presence of Soviet pilots in China and therefore refused to unload containers with dismantled vehicles in Shanghai - it was too dangerous. But Taiwan, as it seemed to them, was just right.

In this situation, a military adviser and one of the most controversial figures of the Red Army elite, P.V. Rychagov - in Spain he shot down over 20 aircraft, but there is no documented information about his direct combat activities in China - with a group of colleagues, including future Air Chief Marshal P.F. Zhigarev, developed an operation with the goal of inflicting maximum damage on the enemy air group in Taiwan.

The SB under the command of “General Fyn Po” - Captain Fyodor Petrovich Polynin - were intended for the strike.

But before I talk about the raid itself, I will mention one of the heroes of the Spanish battles - the legendary Grigory Illarionovich Thor. Back in Irkutsk, at the factory airfield, where the security forces were being assembled to be sent to China, he intensively prepared pilots for operations in any weather conditions and practiced navigation skills with them on various terrain.

According to A. Demin, G. I. Thor arrived in China in the fall of 1937 and wanted to take part in the hostilities, but the command requested that he, a valuable specialist, return back. I had to transfer the group to F.P. Polynin. The following year, G.I. Thor returned to the Celestial Empire as the chief military adviser.

An interesting detail in the context of today: special missions of groups of pilots to China took place under the letters X and the now so familiar Z.

Now about the raid. The task facing F. P. Polynin’s group was not an easy one: to rise from the Nanchang airfield, fly for about 8 hours at an altitude of approximately 4-5 thousand meters, and without oxygen masks.

Fyodor Petrovich left memories of that operation:

“At the signal from the rocket, 28 heavily loaded bombers took off one after another. We gain altitude 5500 meters. The heart beats faster, the head feels dizzy, and one feels sleepy - these are the first signs of oxygen starvation. And in the fight against him one could only count on one’s own physical endurance. In order to mislead the Japanese, we decided to first pass north of the island, then turn sharply to the right, descend with muffled engines to 4 thousand meters and strike on the move... As planned in advance, we passed north of the island, and then sharply turned towards the target and began their descent... There were no enemy fighters in the air yet. Ahead, along the course, a city opened up, and next to it - an airfield. The planes lined up in two rows, gray containers that had not yet been unpacked, and white tanks next to the hangars were clearly visible... The enemy did not observe any camouflage...”

A little aside: twenty-nine years later, the Israeli Air Force acted according to a similar scheme during Operation Moked, when, unexpectedly for the Egyptians, their airfields were attacked from the Mediterranean Sea, achieving air superiority within a matter of hours, which not least became the key to the IDF’s victory. in the Six Day War.

The Japanese paid dearly for their carelessness:

“We dropped 280 bombs on Formosa,” recalled F. P. Polynin, “and most of them hit the target exactly. Our strike was so sudden that not a single fighter had time to take off... With three successive strikes, we inflicted significant damage on the Japanese. According to intelligence reports, they lost 40 aircraft, not counting those in containers; hangars and a three-year supply of fuel burned down... The destruction of the air base on Formosa caused a shock among the Japanese. Their planes did not take off from there for a month.”

The group returned without losses, and the commandant of the Japanese base in Taiwan, as befits a samurai, in order to avoid shame, committed seppuku. Chiang Kai-shek's wife, Soong Meiling, who had significant political weight in the Kuomintang, personally came to congratulate the Soviet pilots.

The Mikado's Failed Gift


Of course, the Japanese sought to avenge the Taiwan disaster, and at the same time present a gift to the Mikado on his birthday - to bomb Wuhan, where, after the fall of Nanjing a year earlier, the Chinese government had moved.

On April 29, 1938, the Japanese launched a raid with 45 aircraft, which were in for an unpleasant surprise - 65 fighters flown by Soviet and Chinese pilots. Result: in 30 minutes the samurai lost 11 fighters and 10 bombers. Our losses are 12 aircraft.

However, the Mikado was given a gift seven years later by Army General Douglas MacArthur, who freed him from the dock and, instead of the scaffold or the gloomy but well-deserved walls of a prison cell, allowed him to spend the rest of his years studying marine biology.

The operations briefly described with the participation of Soviet volunteers were not the only ones in the skies of China, and all of them made a significant contribution to the victory over the Empire of the Rising Sun, an extremely dangerous enemy.

It was said above about the high class of Japanese pilots. The quality of their vehicles also turned out to be at the same level, especially in 1938, when the Imperial Air Force received the Ki-27 fighter, which reached speeds of up to 450 km/h. In this situation, our SB pilots had to fly at an altitude of 7500-8500 m, with far from imperfect oxygen equipment. But we managed.

Raid on Taiwan: geopolitical consequences


Did the raid on Taiwan and the success over Wuhan have geopolitical significance? I think so, because it was one of the reasons that forced the Japanese to conclude a neutrality agreement with the USSR on April 13, 1941, which was so valuable to us in the first two years of the Great Patriotic War.

However, even if indirect, its downside was the reduction of Soviet military assistance to the Kuomintang, and by May 1940, our last volunteer returned home. Only the instructors remained.

Without us

“until 1942,” writes A. Demin, “Japanese planes almost every year smashed the Kuomintang aviation to smithereens, but the Chinese each time, with foreign help (not only Soviet - I.Kh.) restored the combat effectiveness of their Air Force.”

The reason for our departure from China is obvious: the USSR was preparing for a confrontation with the Wehrmacht, and the pilots were needed at home.

From the point of view of diplomacy, after the victory at Khalkhin Gol and the conclusion of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, we did not seek to aggravate relations with Japan, which had a similar desire.

Thus, in September 1939, Prince F. Konoe, in a conversation with the German Ambassador O. Ott, admitted that the empire would need 2 years to achieve the level of armament and mechanization that the Red Army showed in the battles at Khalkhin Gol.

And already on September 9, 1939, the Ambassador in Moscow S. Togo suggested that we conclude a truce and sign a trade agreement.

After this, albeit with twists and turns, the dialogue between Moscow and Tokyo began to improve, culminating in the aforementioned non-aggression pact.

Of course, under these conditions, Moscow did not see it as advisable for our advisers and pilots to be in China.

But in the Celestial Empire, the memory of military cooperation with us is alive, as is gratitude for help in the most difficult period stories.


Monument to Soviet volunteer pilots in Wuhan

Thus, A. Demin quotes the words of the defense attache at the Chinese Embassy in Russia, Major General Kui Yanwei, who, speaking at a military-historical conference in Moscow in 2020, said:

“The Soviet Union provided enormous support and assistance to China during the war against Japan... More than 2000 Soviet Air Force volunteers and more than 1000 aircraft arrived in China, shooting down more than 1000 Japanese aircraft, dealing a heavy blow to the Japanese invaders.”

Same sky, different destinies


P.V. Rychagov at the age of 29 became the head of the Main Directorate of the Red Army Air Force, but was later removed from his post, arrested on June 24, 1941, and executed in the fall. There is still a lot of uncertainty about the circumstances of his case. Take what was allegedly thrown at J.V. Stalin: “You make us fly on coffins" The only source of the quote is the memoirs of Admiral I. S. Isakov.

Pavel should systematize the experience gained in Spain and China, study, and not lead management. Main. After his removal, he was sent to study at the Military Academy of the General Staff, but then he was arrested and died.

F. P. Polynin, returning to his homeland, received the rank of colonel and the honored star of Hero of the Soviet Union.

Fyodor Petrovich passed the Finnish. On June 22, 1941, he met as the commander of the 13th Bomber Division stationed in Bobruisk - one of the few on the Western Front, which already on the first day of the war inflicted significant losses on the Germans: defeated tank column in the Bialy Podlaski area.

F.P. Polynin ended the war in Poland as commander of the Air Force of that country. He rose to the rank of Colonel General.

Grigory Illarionovich Thor - in the summer of 1941, major general of the Air Force and deputy commander of the 62nd heavy air division of the Southwestern Front - was wounded in the Kiev cauldron, but did not break in the Nazi dungeons, put together an anti-fascist group and was shot by the Nazis in 1943 .

Such dissimilar destinies united by the sky of China... Eternal memory.

Использованная литература:
Volkov I.V., Ivanov I.V. Experience of using Soviet bomber aircraft in China for the USSR Air Force (1937 - 1939)
Demin A.A. Aviation of the Great Neighbor. Book 1. At the origins of Chinese aviation. -M., Aviation Promotion Foundation “Russian Knights”, 2008.
Ermachenko A.S., Minakov S.S., Strukov A.V., Lupaerva N.N. Relations between the USSR and Japan on the eve of the Great Patriotic War
Mirovitskaya R.A. Relations between the USSR and China during the crisis of the Versailles-Washington system of international relations (1931 – 1937)
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  1. +2
    April 1 2024 05: 50
    I think so, because it was one of the reasons that forced the Japanese to conclude a neutrality agreement with the USSR on April 13, 1941, which was so valuable to us in the first two years of the Great Patriotic War.
    In comparison with the events at Khalkin Gol, this blow is “a grain of sand in the Ocean”
    1. +6
      April 1 2024 09: 13
      Of course, it is impossible to fully compare. But the Japanese understood the role of aviation very well and were convinced of the capabilities of the Soviet security forces in Taiwan. Moreover, if at Khalkhin Gol the potential and shortcomings of front-line aviation were demonstrated, then in Taiwan our aircraft largely fulfilled a strategic task, for the Security Council - at least as the Second World War showed - unusual. .
      1. +5
        April 1 2024 11: 20
        Quote: Igor Khodakov
        But the Japanese understood the role of aviation very well and were convinced of the capabilities of the Soviet security forces in Taiwan.

        Even without the Security Council, the Japanese had enough worries about the aviation of their northern neighbor. Somewhere I had a photo of a Japanese poster from the late 30s, on which three circles were drawn - the conditional radii of reach of a potential enemy's aircraft. The northern one, from the Vladivostok region, covered most of the Empire. In fact, the Metropolis was kept from the big war in the Far East by the heavy bomber regiments of the Red Army Air Force.
        A demonstration of the capabilities of the TBAP was carried out during the Khasan conflict - a group of 41 TB-ZRNs demonstratively worked on Japanese positions on the Zaozernaya hill, including dropping 6 FAB-1000s.
        Taking into account the complete mutual transparency of the adjacent territories in the Far East (the intelligence of both sides did not eat their bread and rice in vain), the Japanese should have known about the number of heavy and long-range vehicles, and about their combat load. Just like the fact that picking at a heavy corrugated monster with a pair of rifle-caliber machine guns can take a long time.
    2. +2
      April 1 2024 14: 17
      Quote: svp67
      In comparison with the events at Khalkin Gol, this blow is “a grain of sand in the Ocean”

      Loss of a 3-year supply of avibenzin-a grain of sand? The Japanese believe that their refusal to carry out the third raid on Pearl Harbor, during which they would have attacked fuel storage facilities for the US Pacific Fleet, determined their defeat in the war. Soviet assistance to China allowed it to survive the war during the most critical months of the outbreak of the war. It was then that the Japanese army squandered its reserves and became bogged down in bloody battles with the Chinese on land. The resilience of the Chinese front forced Japan to decide on a suicidal and obviously losing decision to start a war on a second front against a new enemy.
      1. +1
        April 1 2024 15: 05
        Quote: gsev
        Loss of a 3-year supply of avibenzin-a grain of sand?

        Excuse me, but “three-year supply of aviation gasoline” WHAT? The entire Japanese Empire??? ))) Or one or two Hiko rentai, daitai or even chutai? And how much has Japanese aviation activity decreased? Judging by the history of air battles in 1938 and 1939, it was so insignificant... So YES - A GRAIN OF SAND
      2. +1
        April 1 2024 16: 37
        Quote: gsev
        The Japanese believe that their refusal to carry out the third raid on Pearl Harbor, during which they would have attacked fuel storage facilities for the US Pacific Fleet, determined their defeat in the war.

        The Japanese are simply looking for ways to win an initially lost war. Ah, if only Nagumo had given the order... smile
        The third strike, if it had taken place, would have put an end to half of the Japanese carrier-based aircraft. In the first two waves, the IJN lost 55 crew members and 55 vehicles. And this is under ideal conditions of a sudden attack on an almost sleeping base. Not only will the third wave approach a fully deployed air defense system (army and navy), but it will also have to return at dusk turning into night.
        And the Americans will look at the burning tanks and drive a dozen old tankers to P-X. And the world’s largest oil producer will have something to fill them with.
        1. +1
          April 2 2024 12: 32
          Quote: Alexey RA
          The third strike, if it had taken place, would have put an end to half of the Japanese carrier-based aircraft.

          When planning the operation, the Japanese estimated future losses at half of their 400 aircraft. Japanese losses, according to Wikipedia, were 29 aircraft and 69 people, some of which were submariners. What is more plausible: the bomber has a crew of 2 people. In the first wave, 140 bombers and 40 Japanese fighters went on the attack. The second wave includes 132 bombers and 35 fighters. It was after the planned 2 attacks that Futida proposed changing the plan and launching another attack on Hawaii. The loss of fuel would greatly complicate the US Navy's efforts to contain the Japanese advance. If the Japanese had also destroyed the shipyards during air strikes, the Americans would have been unlikely to have been able to restore the damaged aircraft carrier by the Battle of Midway. And with 2 aircraft carriers against 4, their chances of victory would be slim. All the same, the Japanese sank 1 aircraft carrier at Midway. With 4 against 2, they were able to sink 2, leaving the US fleet without attack aircraft carriers for six months
          Quote: Alexey RA
          And the Americans will look at the burning tanks and drive a dozen old tankers to P-X.

          If a tanker can travel thousands of miles across a stormy ocean, it is a valuable resource and using it as a canister is the height of madness or a solution to complete despair.
          1. 0
            April 2 2024 16: 27
            Quote: gsev
            Japanese losses, according to Wikipedia, were 29 vehicles and 69 people, some of which were submariners.

            Statistics grimaces. ©
            The replicated data on Japanese losses included only vehicles lost directly over Oahu.
            Therefore, you should not look at Vika, but at least at the Orders of Battle section on Navweaps:
            Kido Butai lost 29 planes to all causes over Pearl Harbor. A total of 55 aviators were lost, including those in aircraft that returned to the carriers. An additional 111 planes were damaged of which twenty-six were later written off.

            That is, 29 vehicles are combat losses over Oahu. Another 26 cars were written off after landing.
            Quote: gsev
            The loss of fuel would greatly complicate the US Navy's efforts to contain the Japanese advance.

            What is the fuel loss? Less than three days' worth of US production was stored in P-X.
            Quote: gsev
            If the Japanese had also destroyed the shipyards during air strikes, the Americans would have been unlikely to have been able to restore the damaged aircraft carrier by the Battle of Midway.

            Mwa-ha-ha... the Americans had a fourth aircraft carrier at the Pacific Fleet. It’s just that Nimitz, busy pushing three aircraft out of the P-X, weakened control over the West Coast - as a result of which “Lady Sarah” was first slowly repaired, and then slowly received the air group for several days, ultimately being late for the batch. If the Yorktown had to be dragged to the Metropolis, then labor records would have been set on the Sarah - and she would have gone to sea ten days before Midway.
            Quote: gsev
            If a tanker can travel thousands of miles across a stormy ocean, it is a valuable resource and using it as a canister is the height of madness or a solution to complete despair.

            This was a standard solution during WWII. Old tankers that did not satisfy the fleet in terms of speed were anchored at forward bases until ground storage facilities were installed there. Even the Japanese, with their eternal shortage of tanker fleet, practiced this.
    3. +2
      April 1 2024 16: 02
      Quote: svp67
      that blow "a grain of sand in the ocean"

      But technical assistance to China in the fight against Japan had strategic consequences - the Japanese army was bogged down in battles! And the victories of the pilots not only raised the spirit of the Chinese, but also showed the capabilities of the Red Army Air Force for the Japanese. so a wall was built from grains of sand that sent the Japanese fleet to Hawaii... hi
  2. +5
    April 1 2024 06: 19
    In general, our military advisers have been there since the 1920s. In particular, V.K. Blucher. True, it is not very clear what Chiang Kai-shek, a professional military man who knew the theater of combat operations well, could have advised; a future marshal who did not have a major education, with a muddy biography, and whose incompetence manifested itself in 1938 on Hassan?
    Blucher was in China from 1924 to 1927. It was he who developed and led the Northern Expedition; it was on Blucher’s initiative that the Military Council was created under the Central Executive Committee of the Kuomintang, consisting of: Liao Zhongkai, Hu Hanmin, generals Xu Chongzhi, Chiang Kai-shek, Yang Simin, and for what? So that those listed do not pull the blanket on themselves. And if Blucher, in the author’s opinion, is such a mediocrity, why wasn’t he defeated back in 1918 by the Siberian Army and the White Czechs? However, this “mediocre” received the Order of the Red Banner for No. 1, back then in 1918.
    1. +1
      April 1 2024 11: 28
      Quote: parusnik
      And if Blucher, in the author’s opinion, is such a mediocrity, why wasn’t he defeated back in 1918 by the Siberian Army and the White Czechs?

      Because on the other side there were the same unique people. One gets the full impression that the beginning of the Civil War formatted the brains of most of the officers of the Empire, completely removing the knowledge gained in schools, service experience and combat experience of the First World War.
      IMHO, most of all the civil war resembled a war not even of the XNUMXth, but of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries - large and small gangs (sic) of unknown orientation and unknown numbers roam the ruined country in an unknown direction. With their heads at the peaks and hatred of all living things.
      Instead of assault teams - walking in the attack with thick chains without a shot, without bending down and not lying down, and the officers are proud of it. My God, many years before this, the last blacks in Africa knew what a machine gun, shrapnel and magazine rifles were. On the WWII fronts, even half a head could not be raised, or looked out into a loophole.
      Since August 14th, when the hands lying under shrapnel were digging shelters, fortification and tactics have developed incredibly. And then "the simplest tactical truths were perceived as a revelation." In the 18th, “trenches and fortifications were not built. The largest that was dug by a hole to protect the shoulders and head, for the most part lay open ”, in the 19th“ our trenches were built extremely remotely ”and in the 20th already on Perekop it was the same. Artillery pulls up and openly shoots at close range, forgetting just everything. Intelligence is such that even in the 18th, the Reds attack suddenly, despite the fact that their plans and radio were read freely. And a constant refrain: “But if the hand of the red machine gunner / gunner didn’t flinch, we would all remain there.”
      In the memoirs and works there is a continuous groan about the personnel destroyed in WWII, and rightly so. But the whites create officer regiments and St. George battalions, not caring at all about training recruits. They were driven to slaughter, although they often had both the time and the means.

      December 1918: “The fresh 47th regiment of the 12th division and the brigade of the 6th Ural division suffered heavy losses from frostbite, because, participating in the battle for the first time, they lay for a long time under fire in the snow. Kappel was later accused of misusing them. Rather, the complete unpreparedness of the command staff for fighting in the winter was to blame. ”
      © ecoross1
      And the White Czechs generally fought insofar as they were solving their own problems of returning to their homeland. And they didn’t care about these natives.
      1. +1
        April 1 2024 11: 55
        “Because on the other side there were the same unique people.” Yes, Budberg lamented this. Well, who is Kolchak’s General Lebedev - if I’m not mistaken, a staff captain of the tsarist army. By the way, Denikin was luckier with personnel. Although in the South they still had characters. Take the conflicts of Denikin and Drozdovsky and Wrangel
        1. +1
          April 1 2024 12: 00
          Quote: Igor Khodakov
          Although in the South they still had characters. Take the conflicts of Denikin and Drozdovsky and Wrangel

          Yeah... plus also the Cossacks with their hutskrainism.
          1. +1
            April 1 2024 12: 26
            Yes. Because of this, the front in November 1919 looked like a horseshoe. Sidorin ignored the orders of the commander-in-chief. If the Don people had acted more quickly, the Whites could have reached Moscow.
            1. +1
              April 1 2024 16: 39
              Quote: Igor Khodakov
              If the Don people had acted more quickly, the Whites could have reached Moscow.

              On the other hand, if the Don people had acted more quickly, Denikin would not have had Drozdovsky, whom Krasnov still failed to grab in the Republic of Ingushetia. Or maybe the Whites would have to spit on everything and go to recapture Tsaritsyn for the Don Army. smile
      2. +2
        April 1 2024 14: 41
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Because on the other side there were the same unique people.

        Blucher was also opposed by the Japanese in the Far East. Before the eyes of Chiang Kai Shek there was a clear understanding that the Russian Bolsheviks, in incomparably worse conditions than the Chinese in 1937, were able to maintain, in principle, the integrity of their country in the confrontation with the Japanese. Tsarist General Kuropatkin ended the war when the Japanese defeated his troops and sank the imperial fleet with minimal losses, occupied Sakhalin and Kamchatka, captured Russia's main naval base in the Far East: Port Arthur and Dalniy. Blucher, during the confrontation with the Japanese, had the March uprising in Korea in 1919, was able to famously destroy Japan’s attempt to create a pro-Japanese proxy state in Mongolia under the leadership of Ungern, and defeat Pepelyaev’s Japanese landing with the goal of seizing Yakutia. Yes, the pro-Japanese proxy Semenov was completely beaten, unlike Wang Jing Wei. The most interesting thing is that Dr. Song developed his “3 principles” for reviving China and turning it into a world power under the impression of the brilliant victories of the Bolsheviks over foreign invaders. These “3 principles” are the basis of the ideology of the Kuomintang party, but the Chinese communists value the precepts of Dr. Song no less than the ideas of Chairman Mao.
        1. 0
          April 3 2024 08: 42
          You got excited about Kamchatka, and the Yaps didn’t conquer all of Sakhalin.
          1. 0
            April 4 2024 02: 20
            Quote: Buhach
            You got excited about Kamchatka, and the Yaps didn’t conquer all of Sakhalin.

            By the time peace negotiations began in San Francisco, the Japanese had occupied all important points in Kamchatka and had completely destroyed all Russian armed forces on Sakhalin. In a long war, Japan's chances of victory could have fallen, so at peace negotiations it agreed to withdraw from Northern Sakhalin and Kamchatka. Similarly, German troops surrounded Paris in 1870, but during peace negotiations Germany agreed to annex only Lorraine and Alsace from France.
            1. 0
              April 4 2024 05: 40
              I myself live in Kamchatka and before you say something like this, you should first familiarize yourself with the history of the battles of 04-05 in our region, there was no occupation, don’t make things up, the maximum of their efforts was the shelling of Petropavlovsk and landing on the shore, and they landed twice with a little a break, in other clashes the Japanese suffered mostly failures.
              1. 0
                April 5 2024 12: 59
                Quote: Buhach
                I myself live in Kamchatka and before making such a statement, you should first familiarize yourself with the history of the battles of 04-05

                Actually, you are right. But it should be taken into account that Russia was not able to defend Kamchatka for a long time in 1905. Having landed troops of not 100 but 20 people, the Japanese could have simply taken control or burned all Russian settlements, after which the militia would have simply frozen or died of hunger in the winter.
                1. 0
                  April 5 2024 19: 14
                  You can’t argue with you here, because of military weakness, Russia lost Alaska and Kamchatka had prospects of repeating its fate, in fact, even those forces would have been enough for the Yaps if not our people, you know, didn’t want to drink “Asahi” and “Saporo”.
      3. 0
        April 4 2024 11: 31
        Because on the other side there were the same unique people. One gets the full impression that the beginning of the Civil War formatted the brains of most of the officers of the Empire, completely removing the knowledge gained in schools, service experience and combat experience of the First World War.

        The power of Soviet propaganda. Until now, some people think that the half-educated student of the Polytechnic Frunze, together with sergeant major Chapaev, defeated RIA Lieutenant General Wrangel and Colonel Sladkov.

        In fact, the command of both the Reds and the Whites consisted of former RIA officers, and the soldiers were, of course, peasants in both places. So strength and brains were approximately equal. Yes
        1. 0
          April 4 2024 12: 30
          Quote: Arzt
          In fact, the command of both the Reds and the Whites consisted of former RIA officers, and the soldiers were, of course, peasants in both places. So strength and brains were approximately equal.

          Well, with the Reds, everything is clear - there, any plans of military experts could go to waste due to lack of training (and enormous difficulties with training) of the personnel, weak discipline and subordination.
          But what is the whites' problem? Where did they get all this from?
          Since August 14th, when the hands lying under shrapnel were digging shelters, fortification and tactics have developed incredibly. And then "the simplest tactical truths were perceived as a revelation." In the 18th, “trenches and fortifications were not built. The largest that was dug by a hole to protect the shoulders and head, for the most part lay open ”, in the 19th“ our trenches were built extremely remotely ”and in the 20th already on Perekop it was the same. Artillery pulls up and openly shoots at close range, forgetting just everything. Intelligence is such that even in the 18th, the Reds attack suddenly, despite the fact that their plans and radio were read freely. And a constant refrain: “But if the hand of the red machine gunner / gunner didn’t flinch, we would all remain there.”
          © ecoross1
          But our military thought in the Crimea continued to work sluggishly, and more often did not work at all, and we bought our initial victories not with skill, but at the cost of officer lives, which we had nothing to replace..
          © Lieutenant General Dostovalov
          There are no commissars crawling into any crevice. Maintaining discipline is no problem. Training personnel using the Ipatiev method is also no problem. Why then were the whites not different from the reds in terms of training?
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            April 4 2024 12: 49
            There are no commissars crawling into any crevice. Maintaining discipline is no problem. Training personnel using the Ipatiev method is also no problem. Why then were the whites not different from the reds in terms of training?

            As I say, militarily it is one and the same army, divided along ideological lines.
            But the Reds had a crucial difference.

            RVSR.
            Revolutionary Military Council of the Republic.

            “Overseers” from revolutionary parties (not always Bolsheviks, by the way), sitting at headquarters, up to and including the division (and sometimes below) and monitoring all the activities of the command and strictly directing the work.
            The entire Civil Chairman of the RVSR is Leva Trotsky, Deputy - Efraim Sklyansky.

            They later grew into commissars, who turned into political officers, degenerating into deputies for educational work. laughing

            The second supervision system is the Military Control Branch of the Operations Department of the General Staff, under the leadership of the Estonian Trakman, which later merged with the Cheka and turned into a Special Department. We still know them by the name of the special officers. wink
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              April 4 2024 16: 57
              Quote: Arzt
              As I say, militarily it is one and the same army, divided along ideological lines.

              Then another question arises - how do all these bread did the personnel survive the First World War? Because the lack of reconnaissance, the absence of trenches, attacks in dense chains and shooting from open OPs are things incompatible with life in the Great War.
              Or, where did all the combat experience go from the minds of gentlemen officers and fellow commanders with the beginning of the Civil War?
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                April 4 2024 22: 52
                Then another question arises - how did all these bread-and-butter personnel survive during the First World War? Because the lack of reconnaissance, the absence of trenches, attacks in dense chains and shooting from open OPs are things incompatible with life in the Great War.
                Or, where did all the combat experience go from the minds of gentlemen officers and fellow commanders with the beginning of the Civil War?

                Fundamentally different wars.
                The white movement began as centers of resistance in different parts of the country. There was no unified control, no continuous front line, no rear, as such, no supplies, and much more. All this was layered with unclear goals of the war on both sides, vast territories and a reluctance to fight against their brothers.

                As a result, the Civil War consisted of clashes between maneuver groups in areas of large cities, roads and strategic objects.

                The General Staff Academy did not prepare for such a war, so they fought as best they could.
                The experience of classical war was not applicable here, just like the experience of the Civil War in wars of states.
                Already in the Polish campaign, then in the Finnish campaign, and partially in the Second World War.
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                  April 5 2024 11: 22
                  Quote: Arzt
                  As a result, the Civil War consisted of clashes between maneuver groups in areas of large cities, roads and strategic objects.

                  Yeah... and as soon as one of the sides remembered the tactics, and the enemy continued to act as usual, he immediately washed himself with blood. Both in Kakhovka and Perekop.
                  Quote: Arzt
                  The General Staff Academy did not prepare for such a war, so they fought as best they could.
                  The experience of classical war was not applicable here, just like the experience of the Civil War in wars of states.

                  The latter is true, the IVS spoke about this at the ever-memorable Meeting on the results of the SFV.
                  But the inapplicability of the experience of classical war in the Civil War? belay
                  Kornilov. Headquarters in an open field. The Reds targeted the headquarters for several days. On the last day it was clear that they would soon move to defeat. What prevented Kornilov from remembering the lessons of WWII and simply changing the location of his headquarters - since the enemy had discovered his location?
                  You know - the headquarters was in a hut in an open field. They had been shooting for several days, and quite successfully... We told the general. He didn’t pay any attention... “Okay, later.” The last day they dug everything around with shells... they realized that this was the headquarters, after all, horsemen were approaching with reports, people were crowding. Well, one of these shells hit right into the hut, into the room where the general was.
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                    April 5 2024 11: 50
                    Kornilov. Headquarters in an open field. The Reds targeted the headquarters for several days. On the last day it was clear that they would soon move to defeat. What prevented Kornilov from remembering the lessons of WWII and simply changing the location of his headquarters - since the enemy had discovered his location?
                    You know - the headquarters was in a hut in an open field. They had been shooting for several days, and quite successfully... We told the general. He didn’t pay any attention... “Okay, later.” The last day they dug everything around with shells... they realized that this was the headquarters, after all, horsemen were approaching with reports, people were crowding. Well, one of these shells hit right into the hut, into the room where the general was.

                    I think morale. War fatigue, uncertainty, apathy, fatalism.
                    Hence this walking in deployed formation with machine guns.
  3. +1
    April 1 2024 06: 23
    The future famous commanders V.I. Chuikov and P.S. Rybalko went to China as military advisers.
    Google what name Rybalko was known in China.lol
  4. +1
    April 1 2024 08: 39
    They wrote to me in the comments about “Blücher developed...”, with a mention of the order number one he received. Blucher's biography is interesting in itself - as a personality type generated by the revolution. I hope someday the life story of this man, and not its surrogate generated by the Khrushchev Thaw, will be written, and with the involvement of the widest possible range of sources, including those that have not yet been introduced into scientific circulation. I believe this will help destroy many myths associated with Blucher. And it is at least strange to sincerely believe in the ability of a person without military education to develop serious operations in an unfamiliar theater of action. It was not the 19th century, but the 20th century. Simply talent for a military career was no longer enough. A little aside: I remember back in Soviet school I was interested in the answer to the question: who planned military operations in the civilian “nugget” of Frunze, who allegedly beat military professionals - white generals. I was not surprised when I found out: military expert General Novitsky. The same story with Yakir, Uborevich, etc. I think the same story with Blucher. I repeat - his biography awaits the researcher.
    1. +3
      April 1 2024 10: 39
      Igor Khodakov(Igor)
      There is no need to get excited, revolutions gave birth and promoted new commanders, as an example of Mikhail Vasilyevich Frunze. hi
      1. +1
        April 1 2024 10: 50
        I will add to my message above, following your logic that everything was decided for the commanders by their chiefs of staff, then it is also necessary to reconsider the victories of the WWII commanders, because Since 1942, A.V. Vasilevsky became the chief of the general staff of the Red Army.
        Aleksandr Mikhailovich Vasilevsky (Russian: Alexandr Mikhailovich Vasilevskiy) (September 30, 1895 – December 5, 1977) was a Soviet career Red Army officer who received the rank of Marshal of the Soviet Union in 1943. He served as Chief of the General Staff of the Soviet Armed Forces (1942-1945) and Deputy Minister of Defense during World War II, as well as Minister of Defense from 1949 to 1953.
        hi
        1. +2
          April 1 2024 11: 50
          “Everything was decided for the commanders by their chiefs of staff.” No, they decided for untrained commanders, but with the right origin. It was impossible to stick out the “Golden Chasers”. Although Burtsev seems to have understood everything correctly when he wrote. who are they, whites,. hanged. after returning to Russia. Military experts are in the forefront there. By the way, his classmate Sytin fought against Denikin. And then Selivachev - both career military men. Just like Egoriev. All of them at different times were opponents of the AFSR.
      2. +2
        April 1 2024 11: 45
        Frunze was promoted not so much by the revolution as by the military talent of his chief of staff, General Novitsky, who remained in the shadows. And not only him. The same Yakir owes his military glory to Admiral Alexander Nemitz, Uborevich - to General Vladimir Buimistrov. I am not saying that Frunze was a mediocrity like Commissar Yakir, but still, the lack of training did not give him the opportunity to plan and carry out operations. this required military education.
    2. +2
      April 1 2024 18: 11
      They wrote to me in the comments about “Blücher developed...”
      I have written, all that remains is to clarify who exactly “forged” Blucher’s victory in the civil war. In China, of course, the “great and terrible” Chiang Kai Shek, but you didn’t clarify for yourself why Blucher created the Military Council from the indicated Chinese military leaders? And “patamushtaa”, each of them individually was not a bad military leader, but each imagined himself to be the only one. If Blucher had not united them, the Northern Expedition might not have taken place, and the NRA would have been destroyed. It’s somehow strange for you, a simple man cannot be a military genius, this is given only by your “white” bones. What disrespect for your own people you are demonstrating. hi
    3. 0
      April 4 2024 11: 40
      They wrote to me in the comments about “Blücher developed...”, with a mention of the order number one he received. Blucher's biography is interesting in itself - as a personality type generated by the revolution. I hope someday the life story of this man, and not its surrogate generated by the Khrushchev Thaw, will be written, and with the involvement of the widest possible range of sources, including those that have not yet been introduced into scientific circulation. I believe this will help destroy many myths associated with Blucher. And it is at least strange to sincerely believe in the ability of a person without military education to develop serious operations in an unfamiliar theater of action. It was not the 19th century, but the 20th century. Simply talent for a military career was no longer enough. A little aside: I remember back in Soviet school I was interested in the answer to the question: who planned military operations in the civilian “nugget” of Frunze, who allegedly beat military professionals - white generals. I was not surprised when I found out: military expert General Novitsky. The same story with Yakir, Uborevich, etc. I think the same story with Blucher. I repeat - his biography awaits the researcher.

      All civilians are like this. Blucher started her as a commissar in the detachment of Vladimir Konstantinovich Sadlutsky. Does anyone remember this Civil War hero now? wink
  5. +4
    April 1 2024 10: 58
    V.K. Blucher......whose incompetence manifested itself in 1938 on Khasan?
    Marshal Blucher was a man who, in terms of his knowledge and ideas, was not far removed from the times of the Civil War. Marshal Kulik was of the same type. But Apanasenko, who commanded a division in the Cavalry and who later took command of the Far Eastern Fleet, was a completely different type.
    1. +5
      April 1 2024 11: 39
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      Marshal Blucher was a man who, in terms of his knowledge and ideas, was not far removed from the times of the Civil War.

      Marshal Blucher became too relaxed away from the Center. And for some reason he imagined himself not only as a governor-general, but as something like the Viceroy of H.I.H. on the Far East. His one decision on general mobilization during the Khasan events almost transferred the situation from a limited border conflict with the Kwantung military-industrial group to the plane of war with the entire Japanese Empire.
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      Marshal Kulik was of the same type.

      Marshal Kulik was simply misused during the war. His place is in the State Agrarian University (like Pavlova in the GABTU). This is where his stubbornness and strict adherence to instructions were appropriate and to the benefit of the matter - especially after the design freedom of the 30s, when design bureaus could push a non-combat-ready product into service, and then refine them for years (often to no avail).
      1. +1
        April 1 2024 12: 20
        Marshal Blucher became too relaxed away from the Center.
        His past achievements during the civil war turned his head in China. After all, he participated in the defeat of Wrangel, the Minister of War of the Far Eastern Republic. Here Lyushkov, a defector, also spoiled him, informed the Japanese that he was a separatist, dreams of recreating the Far Eastern Republic, and much more, in the end Blucher became a Japanese spy.
        1. +1
          April 1 2024 12: 33
          Yes, I think even without Lyushkov everything would have been sad for Blucher. Remember the fate of another marshal - Egorov. by the way. much closer. rather than Blucher, to Stalin. And by the way, a military professional, although he didn’t grab the stars from the sky.
          1. +1
            April 1 2024 12: 41
            Remember the fate of another marshal - Egorov
            You look at all this in a simplified way, bloody Stalin, who was also impeccable and also personally shot everyone with a machine gun on Red Square.
            1. +1
              April 1 2024 14: 01
              Not simplistic. If only because I cannot - and hardly anyone can - answer the question about the scale of Stalin’s power in the pre-war period and about the processes, or rather the driving mechanisms, that took place within the power structures.
              1. +2
                April 1 2024 15: 43
                driving the mechanism that occurred within power structures.
                People's Commissar Yezhov was in charge, he was, for example, the secretary of the Central Committee.. Yagoda, only a member of the Central Committee.. And not for long, so he kept hanging around among the candidates
      2. +1
        April 1 2024 12: 30
        "Marshal Kulik was simply misused during the war." Yes, why he was given command of the armies, and then either demoted or promoted in rank, is not very clear. In general, as a human being, I feel sorry for Kulik.
    2. +1
      April 1 2024 11: 51
      Yes, I wrote about Apanasenko. A worthy military leader.
    3. -1
      April 4 2024 12: 25
      Marshal Blucher was a man who, in terms of his knowledge and ideas, was not far removed from the times of the Civil War. Marshal Kulik was of the same type. But Apanasenko, who commanded a division in the Cavalry and who later took command of the Far Eastern Fleet, was a completely different type.

      This idea was launched by Suvorov-Rezun in 1999 in the book “Purification”. Suvorov generally respected Stalin, and Stalin respected Apanasenko because he was in the First Cavalry. That’s why Apanasenko was shown to be smart, like he understood that it was necessary to build a reserve road, but Blucher didn’t understand. laughing

      But the facts do not confirm this.

      Apanasenko’s subordinate troops were constantly in chaos, Budyonny removed him from command twice, during the Polish campaign the soldiers of the 6th Cavalry Division killed their own commissar and their own Cossack, Shepelev, during the Jewish pogrom, by the way, for trying to stop the chaos.
      Almost more than 150 pogromists had to be shot, and Apanasenko himself was removed again.

      Apanasenko did not show up in any way during World War II, perhaps he simply did not have time. wink
  6. Msi
    +3
    April 1 2024 23: 08
    Thanks author. I love themes about World War II. Events in the Far East, before the start of World War II, are a “dark forest” for me. I read two articles with interest.
    1. +3
      April 2 2024 16: 42
      Thank you for your kind words.
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    April 4 2024 21: 12
    The raid on Formosa on February 23, 1938 took place in difficult conditions, which is why 28 (out of 40) bombers took off on a combat course. Due to navigation errors, 12 aircraft were forced to land at alternate airfields, which they later remembered reluctantly. There is no doubt that in the event of an attack by a full group, the damage and losses of the Japanese would have been much more significant. But the funniest thing was that (two days after the event) the Chinese press loudly attributed the success of the defeat of the Taiwanese air base to... the commander of the 14th volunteer squadron of the Chinese Air Force, Vincent Schmidt. Obviously, counting on the traditional hushing up of the participation of the Soviet military on the side of the Kuomintang troops (who were entirely listed under pseudonyms, often Chinese), he did not deny this and even tried to give interviews. When the truth came out, he surrendered command of the squadron and retreated to Hong Kong away from shame.
    The laurels of the Polynino raid on Taiwan prompted the Chinese to organize their bombing strike, no more, no less, on Japanese territory! On May 20 of the same year, a pair of Martin 139WC bombers, controlled by the Chinese, bombed five cities on the island of Kyushu for an hour and a quarter and returned safely to the airfield in Nanchang. True, they bombed Japan not with land mines and lighters, but dropped 200 thousand propaganda leaflets. But that, as they say, is another story.