To try to catch up with China, India will invest $3 billion in its space program

New Delhi intends to actively enter into space-related contracts over the next few years. To try to catch up with China, which has made significant progress in this area, India will invest three billion dollars in its space program.

The country's Defense Minister, General Anil Chauhan, spoke about this at the DEFSAT conference in the Indian capital.

He said India intends to reduce its dependence on foreign satellites and strengthen its defense capabilities in space. The head of the defense department called for increased investment in the Indian military space sector. He noted that the Ministry of Defense has already signed five contracts with private companies operating in this industry, and four more are in the preparation stage.

Now the government has come up with a new space policy that opens up the space segment to the private sector. India is now on track to meet both its civilian and military needs, but the pace will not match China's

- the former marshal told reporters of the American publication Defense News aviation Retired Indian Air Force M. Matheswaran, who now heads the think tank Peninsula Foundation.

In 2019, Indian specialists tested an anti-satellite weapons, which destroyed a satellite in low Earth orbit. According to Matheswaran, in this way New Delhi sent a signal to the whole world, especially China, which conducted similar exercises in 2007.

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[pawn]

To catch up with China, India must first improve the lives of the outcasts and untouchables - the Dalits.

[Lev_Russia]

India will invest three billion dollars in its space program.

He will invest it, but in order to catch up with China, it’s unlikely...

[Gomunkul]

He will invest it, but in order to catch up with China, it’s unlikely...

At least these people don’t complain about the lack of money.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Lev_Russia

India will invest three billion dollars in its space program.

He will invest it, but in order to catch up with China, it’s unlikely...

Is three lard dollars for the space program a lot or not a lot?

In Soviet times, I heard from people directly involved in space that a rocket made of gold would cost less than the one on the launch pad.
Because of the peculiar manner of joking among these people, so passionate about their work, I, a “stranger” to them, did not understand whether they were serious or joking.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Is three lard dollars for the space program a lot or not a lot?

NASA's budget in 2023 was $25.5 Billion.
This is just NASA, without military programs, commerce and other things. Purely scientific space and related topics.
Therefore, three billion is a fart in a puddle for space.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: BlackMokona

Therefore, three billion is a fart in a puddle for space.

That's pretty much what I thought. Because this is not the case here when you can make something out of shit and sticks that is worth a thousand rubles to your neighbor.

As usual (see India's arms purchases) - they will collect a little from everyone "to shake, but not to mix", a hodgepodge. And they will send it on our rocket. On their own, like their vaunted tank, they will be “designing” it for about 50 years. There is no base - you can’t blind it for three lard.

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Quote: Zoldat_A

Is three lard dollars for the space program a lot or not a lot?

In Soviet times, I heard from people directly involved in space that a rocket made of gold would cost less than the one on the launch pad.
Because of the peculiar manner of joking among these people, so passionate about their work, I, a “stranger” to them, did not understand whether they were serious or joking.

The Soyuz-2 launch vehicle costs 22,2 million in dollars But this is a rocket of our production. Indian ones are much more expensive.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: slipped

The Soyuz-2 launch vehicle costs 22,2 million in dollars

The conversation I mentioned above took place in the late 80s, when Soyuz-2 did not exist, and the price of rockets was not calculated in dollars, and the rubles were different. Everything was different, and therefore the price of today's Soyuz-2 is not an indicator.
Perhaps they were just making jokes.

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Quote: Zoldat_A

The conversation I mentioned above took place in the late 80s, when Soyuz-2 did not exist, and the price of rockets was not calculated in dollars, and the rubles were different.

No one is stopping you from multiplying by 90 and getting the price in rubles

Quote: Zoldat_A

Everything was different, and therefore the price of today's Soyuz-2 is not an indicator. Perhaps they were just making jokes.

If a box of matches then cost 1 kopeck, and today it costs 10 rubles, this does not mean that matches have ceased to be matches.

[Chief Officer Lom]

Quote: slipped

The Soyuz-2 launch vehicle costs 22,2 million in dollars

This is because our price traditionally does not include the cost of development (for public money). How much money had to be spent to carry out all the research, carry out experimental work, and also design and build everything necessary for production? I am sure that in our country the total costs of everything have never even been calculated in total; they have only been roughly estimated, “by eye.”

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Quote: Chief Officer Lom

This is because our price traditionally does not include the cost of development (for public money). .

Nope. This is the cost of a rocket in series today. The cost of development was recouped even in the first missiles of the series.

[Chief Officer Lom]

I strongly doubt (that anyone considered whether they were repulsed or not). As far as I know, the cost of development at the expense of the state is traditionally not included in the cost of products. Only production cost.

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Quote: Chief Officer Lom

I strongly doubt (that anyone considered whether they were repulsed or not). As far as I know, the cost of development at the expense of the state is traditionally not included in the cost of products. Only production cost.

They recaptured, it has long been bringing profit from launch to launch.

[Chief Officer Lom]

In any case, you don’t think that it’s enough for Indians to invest 22 million, or 222 million, to create their own SOYUZ-2?))

However, those who disdain the amount of 3 billion in the space program should know that India is not investing it out of nowhere, and their recent successful lunar mission against the backdrop of our unsuccessful one is evidence of this. This is not 3 billion, this is an ADDITIONAL 3 billion. They will not catch up with China, but they will overtake us and take actual 3rd place, where we are now, resting on the laurels of the USSR’s merits.

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Quote: Chief Officer Lom

In any case, you don’t think that it’s enough for Indians to invest 22 million, or 222 million, to create their own SOYUZ-2?))

Today's Indian missiles are a hodgepodge of Russian-Soviet and French technologies. They are by definition expensive. For example, the GSLV Mk2 launch vehicle has 3 types of fuel on board: solid (1st), heptyl (2st) and hydrogen (3st).

Quote: Chief Officer Lom

However, those who disdain the amount of 3 billion in the space program should know that India is not investing it out of nowhere, and their recent successful lunar mission against the backdrop of our unsuccessful one is evidence of this.

Witness of what? The fiasco with the first Vikram and the second who died on a moonlit night?

As for our Luna-25, it was an experimental station whose task was to test the landing according to the old, previously tried many times, scheme, and if successful, to work on the Moon for a year. The device, which had not previously worked in space, failed. Hence the conclusion - you should test your new devices more thoroughly, including in outer space.

Quote: Chief Officer Lom

This is not 3 billion, this is an ADDITIONAL 3 billion. They will not catch up with China, but they will overtake us and take actual 3rd place, where we are now, resting on the laurels of the USSR’s merits.

First, they cannot overtake Russia for one simple reason - we are not competing with anyone, but are carrying out our purely applied space programs. Second, our scientific programs on spacecraft and the orbital station are much more extensive and interesting than those of India or China. The latter are forced to simply repeat what has already been done, while making weak attempts to come up with at least something new. You just need to study the hardware according to the subject.

[Chief Officer Lom]

Continue to console yourself about the tasks. The Chinese, of course, told you about their research in space. And all we have left is laboratory work on the ISS. Large projects, although they were announced a long time ago, the only one successfully implemented to the end was the construction of a cosmodrome. But the Chinese already have their own orbital station, not a communal apartment, and a reusable unmanned spacecraft a la the American X-37B, and they have more satellites (and don’t talk about quality - I’m afraid the contents of our satellites are much more modest), and most importantly - Both they and the Hindus show progressive, confident development. What new things have we done in space? We are still trying to restore what the USSR once could 30 years ago, replacing Soviet electronics with Chinese ones. And the fact that we are not competing with anyone is little consolation, seeing how others confidently overtake us, because we are standing on the sidelines.

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Quote: Chief Officer Lom

Continue to console yourself about the tasks.

Unclear. There are really a lot of tasks.

Quote: Chief Officer Lom

The Chinese, of course, told you about their research in space.

In terms of our cooperation with them? Yes, sure. We work closely with them.

Quote: Chief Officer Lom

And all we have left is laboratory work on the ISS.

Are you talking about pilot industrial production of crystals? About tissue bioprinting?

Quote: Chief Officer Lom

Major projects, although they were announced a long time ago, the only one that was successfully implemented to the end was the construction of a cosmodrome.

It's not clear at all. Apparently you are behind our lives. Here we have a powerful astrophysical laboratory at the Lagrange point L2 for the fifth year already, which has the best angular resolution in the X-ray range, makes world-class discoveries on a weekly basis, and is also engaged, among other things, in monitoring space weather in the Earth-Moon system.

Quote: Chief Officer Lom

And the Chinese already have their own orbital station, not a communal apartment,

Communal apartment? The ISS RS has been operating for 25 years now, and you haven’t even noticed.

Quote: Chief Officer Lom

and a reusable unmanned spacecraft a la the American X-37B,

We use disposable ones - it turns out cheaper.

Quote: Chief Officer Lom

and they have more satellites (and there is no need to talk about quality - I’m afraid the contents of our satellites are much more modest), and most importantly, both they and the Indians are seeing progressive, confident development.

Be afraid. If you look only at foreign ones, you won’t see ours.

Quote: Chief Officer Lom

What new things have we done in space? We are still trying to restore what the USSR once could 30 years ago, replacing Soviet electronics with Chinese ones. And the fact that we are not competing with anyone is little consolation, seeing how others confidently overtake us, because we are standing on the sidelines.

Don't ask stupid questions like an elementary school student. Everything is on the pipe. Both A and B. Look, study the topic. Your messages have no relation to reality. None.

[Chief Officer Lom]

Everything is clear with you. Especially about the RS ISS and about it it turns out cheaper. Continue watching videos about the fast flight of the Eagle/Federation and nuclear tugs.

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Quote: Chief Officer Lom

Everything is clear with you. Especially about the RS ISS and about it it turns out cheaper. Continue watching videos about the fast flight of the Eagle/Federation and nuclear tugs.

What do you understand with me? Unlike you, I'm just in the know.

[shikin]

How to say. India's economy has recently been growing faster than China's. In addition, it is largely focused on the domestic market (far from saturation), which reduces the impact of downturns in the global economy.
I would not be surprised if India's economy becomes the second largest in the world in the next decade.

[credo]

To catch up with China, India must first improve the lives of the outcasts and untouchables - the Dalits.

One has nothing to do with the other. This can be done in parallel.
For example, the USSR, 12 years after the end of the bloody and devastating Great Patriotic War, launched an artificial Earth satellite, and 16 years later - the world's first cosmonaut.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: peshik

To catch up with China, India must first improve the lives of the outcasts and untouchables - the Dalits.

Apparently, there is no question of this. Caste division --- these improvements do not imply

[rocket757]

To try to catch up with China, India will invest $3 billion in its space program

. One thing about whom we can confidently say “a country of contrasts” is India...
And so, investments in the space program are investments in the future! This is on top of everything else, everything else.

[Reptiloid]

catch up and overtake!

Countries with the largest populations are trying. They invest not only in space, but in other types as well. Growing.

[rocket757]

They have their own affairs, we have ours... to some extent we are on the same path, but it’s all very unique, and therefore annoying. However, this is possible.

[APASUS]

Quote: rocket757

. One thing about whom we can confidently say “a country of contrasts” is India...

In Pakistan, all cars are equipped with a satellite alarm system. Moreover, all equipment is locally produced. This is where the contrast

[rocket757]

That’s how we are equipped, it’s just that not everyone is ready to use even what they have, as they can/should...

[Reptiloid]

What’s enviable, Victor, is that these processes are now proceeding at an accelerated pace. Just some kind of competition

[rocket757]

So what? Specifically the GLONAS module, GPC, these are pennies...
Based on the fact that there are a lot of sanctions and restrictions falling on us, it’s not necessary to be bullied... we’ll do our part and install it everywhere and where necessary.

[APASUS]

Quote: rocket757

This is how we are equipped,

This is where you should pay attention

Quote: APASUS

In Pakistan, all cars

ALL cars

[rocket757]

I wasn’t interested in everyone at once, but I was convinced that the new cars are equipped with GLONAS modules.

[APASUS]

If Indians weren’t such misers, we could have helped. And we could have earned money ourselves, but I don’t see the point. Usually after such contracts there is scandal after scandal

[NICK111]

They will catch up. Yes. Meanwhile, China will simply mark time and watch how they catch up with it.
Oh, how contagious these slogans are: “Let’s catch up and overtake...”.

[Yuri L]

India has a powerful incentive to catch up with China in case Tibet gives it up. And she is striving with all her might Forward, for now following China. But Russia in terms of the number of space launches will soon overtake... Ukraine. This is what a life-giving incentive does

[Mouse]

Catch up and overtake... it was already somewhere...

[Andobor]

India, with the same population, is 5 times poorer than China; they cannot catch up with China.

[TermNachTer]

Do the Indians know how much China is throwing into its space program?))) I think it’s even more, 10 times 3 lard each)))

[Blackmokona]

Quote: TermNachTER

Do the Indians know how much China is throwing into its space program?))) I think it’s even more, 10 times 3 lard each)))

According to experts, the overall US budget for space activities is about $61,9 billion, China’s is $11,94 billion, the combined budget of the European Union is about $10 billion, and Russia’s total government spending on space is $3,5 billion.
https://tass.ru/opinions/16786711

[TermNachTer]

Does China advertise all its expenses, especially in such a sensitive industry as space? I'm more than sure that 11 and a half lard $ was taken from the ceiling.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: TermNachTER

Does China advertise all its expenses, especially in such a sensitive industry as space? I'm more than sure that 11 and a half lard $ was taken from the ceiling.

These are estimates of Western experts; China itself says only 2 billion.

[TermNachTer]

For me personally, the assessments of Western experts are approximately the same as the statements of British scientists))) especially when we are talking about such a closed country as China.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: TermNachTER

For me personally, the assessments of Western experts are approximately the same as the statements of British scientists))) especially when we are talking about such a closed country as China.

There are no better estimates, you yourself understand that Chinese official statements and reality are in different universes

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Fire illustration. Gaganyan looks at micro-under-Skylab in the ass.

[Fangaro]

New Delhi intends to actively enter into space-related contracts over the next few years. To try to catch up with China, which has made significant progress in this area, India will invest three billion dollars in its space program.

Amateur opinion...
If $3 billion is invested over the next 2-3 months and continues this way for several years, then it is not impossible. And in 3 years... 1 billion each...