About the date “June 22” in the history of international relations

В stories There are exact dates whose frequency of recurrence over a relatively short period of time makes one wonder. One of them was the date “June 22”.

22 June In 1812, Napoleon Bonaparte addressed his “grand army”, in which he accused Russia of violating the terms of the Tilsit Peace Treaty of 1807 and called the upcoming war with Russia, in contrast to the First Polish War - the War of the Bar Confederation (1768–1772), extending it until 1807 – the Second Polish War.

“Soldiers! The Second Polish War began. The first ended in Friedland and Tilsit. In Tilsit, Russia swore to be in an eternal alliance with France and in war with England; Now she is breaking her vows! She does not want to give any explanation for her strange actions until the French eagles retreat beyond the Rhine and thus abandon their allies to her mercy.

Russia is passionate about rock. Her destiny must be fulfilled. Does she think we've been reborn? Or are we no longer soldiers of Austerlitz? She decides us between dishonor and war. The choice cannot be doubtful. Let us go forward, let us cross the Neman, and bring the war within its borders.

The second Polish war will be for the French weapons as glorious as the first; but the peace that we will conclude will bring with it a guarantee for ourselves and will put an end to the disastrous influence of Russia, which for fifty years it has exerted on the affairs of Europe.

In our imperial apartment, in Vilkoviški, 22 June November 1812, XNUMX

Napoleon."

(Published under the title “Order of Napoleon when the army crossed the Neman” in the book: Patriotic War of 1812. Collection of documents and materials. Leningrad–M., 1941, p. 14. It is noteworthy that the book was signed for printing on July 15, 1941 ).

Two days later, the invasion of the “Great Army” into the Russian Empire began.

Painting by John Clarke “Crossing the French Army across the Niemen”

And in 22 June In 1815, that is, exactly three years after the aforementioned appeal, Napoleon Bonaparte signed his second and last abdication of power.

“Appeal to the French People” of June 22, 1815 - Napoleon’s second abdication

22 June In 1940, the French Third Republic capitulated to the Third Reich, concluding the Second Compiegne Truce.

Signing of the Second Compiegne Armistice by the head of the German High Command W. Keitel (left) and the representative of the French Armed Forces S. Huntziger (right)

Why not assume that the authors of Plan Barbarossa took these historical coincidences into account?

A. Hitler with the head of the High Command W. Keitel (right) and the commander of the military aviation G. Goering (left)

As you can see, the date “June 22” by 1941 was striking! It’s a pity that in J.V. Stalin’s circle there was no one who could draw historical analogies, the conclusions from which would suggest themselves...

PS

It is noteworthy that 22 June In 1921, the first radio broadcast network in our country began operating in Moscow.

Comments

[ivan2022]

Knowing the start date of the war will not help in any way if it is not known exactly where and by what forces the main blow will be delivered. If the latter is known, it is enough to announce the threatened period... And knowing the exact date is not necessary.

[Kote Pan Kokhanka]

The fascination with symbols and dates was fashionable in the mid-90s. For “mind games” and “development of erudition”, definitely yes, but the fall into mysticism makes me smile!
Today, tour guides use this technique. For example, on Ganina Yama (the burial place of the family of Nicholas II) they talk about the fatal figure -17 in the Romanov house. In Yasnaya Polyana, they are looking for symbolism in Tolstoy’s works (it turns out that the number of horses, coachmen and carriages was counted long ago and all researchers came up with different data). Lermontov did not escape this either (in the house museum in Taman they told me about the fatal 41 in the life of the writer).
I think that after scratching their heads, many of the forum members will be surprised to discover similar preferences, signs and beliefs. However, there is a reason to smile kindly.
Have a nice day everyone, success and prosperity!

[parusnik]

What a wonderful article. What a deep analysis. How subtly everything is noticed. How concise and at the same time capacious.. There are no limits to perfection. The author has outdone himself.

[Ilya-spb]

This is not an article, but something covered up with old newspapers. The smell of antiquities)))

[S.Z.]

It's all about the date! The calendar is a book that, with the necessary comments, can always suggest the right decision, you just need to be able to understand what is written there.

The calendar is the only source that accurately predicts the future - you can always tell what day of the week it will be if you know the date, and even the time of Sunrise and Moonrise! At the same time, he also accurately looks into the past.

“Everyone lies about calendars” - this, of course, is about something else.

[Yuras_Belarus]

Well, why is there fortune telling by dates and other numerology here? June 22 is the summer solstice, that is, the longest daylight hours of the year, which means it is very suitable for commanding troops when delivering the first massive strike against the enemy.

[bk0010]

As you can see, the date “June 22” by 1941 was striking! It’s a pity that in J.V. Stalin’s circle there was no one who could draw historical analogies, the conclusions from which would suggest themselves...

Hitler postponed the invasion date several times. This was due to more compelling reasons than the date of the second Compiegne truce. Intelligence constantly informed Stalin of new dates of the attack, so it was difficult to draw the right conclusions.

[S.Z.]

And so it was. Events in Yugoslavia and Greece intervened. Moreover, later some historians argued that June 22 was too late, since Moscow was not taken before the cold weather.

As far as I remember, the window of opportunity after the spring thaw was not very large.

By the way, on June 22, 1944, Operation Bagration began, almost a mirror image of Barbarossa. :)

[Msi]

By the way, on June 22, 1944, Operation Bagration began, almost a mirror image of Barbarossa. :)

By the way, on June 23, 1944, Operation Bagration began...

[Doctor]

Several coinciding reasons.
1. It's Sunday. Everyone is relaxed.
2. The shortest night of the year, early dawn, convenient for aviation. (Already written above).
3. Mittsommerfest (solstice). It was noted in Nazi Germany, including on 21.06.41/XNUMX/XNUMX. They believed that celebrating the summer solstice gave people a piece of the sun's energy. Bonfires, fire wheels, round dances, etc.
4. Anniversary of the surrender of France, which was signed in the Forest of Compiegne on June 22, 1940.
5. Day of all saints who have shone in the Russian land. Possible fifth column.

[dump22]

Why not assume that the authors of Plan Barbarossa took these historical coincidences into account?

Naked numerology and pulling an owl onto a globe.

Plan Barbarossa originally set the attack date as May 15, 1941.
And only on April 30, 1941, Hitler announced a new date for the start of the war, June 22.

[cpls22]

Why not assume that the authors of Plan Barbarossa took these historical coincidences into account?

In Germany at that time, the highest party circles were interested in astrology. There is still a “German” school of astrology called the Hamburg school. According to it, Hess’s “mysterious” flight to the British looks very interesting. His flight was verified by minutes of time and geographical coordinates. So a version of astrological calculation is more likely, rather than taking into account some coincidences. The latter is not in the spirit of German pedantry.

[cpls22]

As an anecdote)) The Germans were into astrology, but they downvoted me

[Dekabrist]

In Germany at that time, the highest party circles were interested in astrology. There is still a “German” school of astrology called the Hamburg school.

The Astrologenverein Hamburger Schule has nothing to do with the “German highest party circles”. Moreover, the founders of the school, Alfred Witte and Ludwig Rudolph, were declared enemies of Germany. Witte committed suicide to avoid being sent to a concentration camp, Rudolph was interned. All literature related to the Astrologenverein Hamburger Schule was destroyed as early as 1940.

[cpls22]

Quote: Dekabrist

The Astrologenverein Hamburger Schule has nothing to do with the “German highest party circles”. Moreover, the founders of the school, Alfred Witte and Ludwig Rudolph, were declared enemies of Germany. Witte committed suicide to avoid being sent to a concentration camp, Rudolph was interned. All literature related to the Astrologenverein Hamburger Schule was destroyed as early as 1940.

They were most likely declared enemies of Germany after the failure of Hess’s mission. Although now you can find texts about the advice of German astrologers regarding the date and place of the Allied landings. And this is much later than his flight. But it’s difficult to figure out now what actually took place.
It is unlikely that all literature was destroyed, taking into account German pedantry and thriftiness. They even managed to sell “degenerate art”. And here is something with tables and mathematical calculations, and with a love of mysticism... For the masses, of course, they destroyed it, that’s for sure.

[Dekabrist]

They were most likely declared enemies of Germany after the failure of Hess’s mission

Somehow your knowledge of history is not very good. They were declared enemies of Germany, as I wrote, back in 1940. And Hess flew to Britain a year later, in 1941. Therefore, when in June 1941, as a reaction to Hess’s flight, the fight against the occult (Sonderaktion Heß) began, the “Astrologenverein Hamburger Schule” no longer existed.

[cpls22]

You're probably right.
I don’t know about these specific astrologers.
My thought was that the choice of date could have been dictated by astrological considerations, in addition to the obvious reasons such as the timing of the necessary preparations and the longest daylight hours. The school in question could have been destroyed, but individual advisers could have been left behind.

[steelmaker]

“It’s a pity that there was no one in J.V. Stalin’s entourage who could draw historical analogies...”
So much has already been said and written about the Second World War. No, there are ignoramuses who just kick Stalin for fun. It has already been proven and documents have been shown that on June 18 Stalin gave the order to deploy troops into battle formations. Pavlov's betrayal and Zhukov's sloppiness as the head of the General Staff did not allow this order to be conveyed to the troops. And in general, Russia was lucky that the country was ruled by Stalin! Otherwise they would now be standing on the Volga and near Moscow, grinding, grinding, grinding.

[Doctor]

“It’s a pity that there was no one in J.V. Stalin’s entourage who could draw historical analogies...”
So much has already been said and written about the Second World War. No, there are ignoramuses who just kick Stalin for fun. It has already been proven and documents have been shown that on June 18 Stalin gave the order to deploy troops into battle formations. Pavlov's betrayal and Zhukov's sloppiness as the head of the General Staff did not allow this order to be conveyed to the troops. And in general, Russia was lucky that the country was ruled by Stalin! Otherwise they would now be standing on the Volga and near Moscow, grinding, grinding, grinding.

There was no such order. On the contrary, they were so intimidated that they were afraid to open fire. Proven by dozens of documents and memoirs.

Stalin's main problem is that he chose the wrong side. If he had concluded an agreement with the Anglo-French, there would have been no June 22.

[Sergei Fonov]

It is difficult, yes, it is difficult, IMPOSSIBLE, to conclude an agreement with someone who does not want it.

[Doctor]

It is difficult, yes, it is difficult, IMPOSSIBLE, to conclude an agreement with someone who does not want it.

The Anglo-Franks wanted it. They were the initiators. They flew to Moscow, not us to London. But Joseph Vissarionovich did not want to.

[Sergei Fonov]

Well, I don't know, I haven't studied alternative history.

[Doctor]

Well, I don't know, I haven't studied alternative history.

So do I. I prefer official documents.

https://dvp.sssr.su/XXII-1.pdf

[Sergei Fonov]

Can you tell me the document number? From No. 346 p. 416 to No. 506 p. 663, there is nothing similar to the fact that England and France intend to conclude an agreement. No. 353 Beck told Sharonov, “Poland will not interfere with the pact, but it does not want to be 4.” No. 359 May “The Balts do not want to be guaranteed.” No. 373 Molotov’s memo to the ambassadors of England and France: paragraph 2. “The USSR must provide immediate assistance to Poland, Romania ......., but England and France do not accept undertakes to provide assistance to the USSR if it is involved in the war." No. 506 Brief report on the work of the mission, a rather strange intention to conclude an equal treaty, where the ally is obliged to do everything. Did you really read all of this?

[Sergei Fonov]

Yes, also No. 452 Maisky’s Diary. Hitler was a supporter of the bloc with England "Mein Kampf".

[Doctor]

Yes, also No. 452 Maisky’s Diary. Hitler was a supporter of the bloc with England "Mein Kampf".

Certainly. Churchill did not fall for it, which is why he is considered the greatest politician in Great Britain.

[Sergei Fonov]

Churchill could not be fooled, Chamberlain was Prime Minister, it was election time and Churchill was not yet heading the government. This is what Churchill wrote in his diary about the negotiations: “Munich and many other things convinced the Soviet government that neither England nor France would fight unless they were attacked, and that even then they would be of little use. The brewing storm was about to begin.” erupt. Russia must take care of itself."

[Doctor]

Churchill could not be fooled, Chamberlain was Prime Minister, it was election time and Churchill was not yet heading the government. This is what Churchill wrote in his diary about the negotiations: “Munich and many other things convinced the Soviet government that neither England nor France would fight unless they were attacked, and that even then they would be of little use. The brewing storm was about to begin.” erupt. Russia must take care of itself."

I'm talking about Hess's mission.
I don’t believe in personal initiative, this is Hitler’s most devoted person, his personal secretary, who wrote Mein Kampf from dictation.
Only the two of them, Hess and Hitler, knew about the mission.

[Sergei Fonov]

So what are you talking about about the negotiations, or about Hess’s mission? By the way, this is the first time I’ve heard that Hitler was aware; no one has ever stated this so categorically before. You decide what to write about, otherwise it’s no longer interesting.

[Doctor]

So what are you talking about about the negotiations, or about Hess’s mission? By the way, this is the first time I’ve heard that Hitler was aware; no one has ever stated this so categorically before. You decide what to write about, otherwise it’s no longer interesting.

That Hitler wanted an alliance with the British, as you wrote. Of course I did, that’s common knowledge. I considered them racially close.
That's why Hess was sent. On a completely secret personal assignment. There is such a version and I agree with it.
Of course, she is not categorical, as in reality we will never know.

[Sergei Fonov]

So what are you talking about about the negotiations, or about Hess’s mission? By the way, this is the first time I’ve heard that Hitler was aware; no one has ever stated this so categorically before. You decide what to write about, otherwise it’s no longer interesting.

[Doctor]

Can you tell me the document number? From No. 346 p. 416 to No. 506 p. 663, there is nothing similar to the fact that England and France intend to conclude an agreement. No. 353 Beck told Sharonov, “Poland will not interfere with the pact, but it does not want to be 4.” No. 359 May “The Balts do not want to be guaranteed.” No. 373 Molotov’s memo to the ambassadors of England and France: paragraph 2. “The USSR must provide immediate assistance to Poland, Romania ......., but England and France do not accept undertakes to provide assistance to the USSR if it is involved in the war." No. 506 Brief report on the work of the mission, a rather strange intention to conclude an equal treaty, where the ally is obliged to do everything. Did you really read all of this?

Start with 126 their initiative. Further 157, Litvinov’s considerations to Stalin. 206-French. 224-Litvinov for the British. 229 - our offers.
After a showdown at a meeting on May 3, Stalin replaced Litvinov (who lived in England for 10 years) with Molotov, and on May 10 in England with Churchill.
The Germans are reviving - 282. A reversal of -326 begins.

Since the spring of 1939, Stalin PARALLELLY communicated with the Anglo-Franks and Germans, if you did not understand.
And in August I made a choice.

[Sergei Fonov]

I wrote it in detail once, but it disappeared. Churchill became prime minister in 1940, not in 1939, this explains everything, study history.

[Doctor]

I wrote it in detail once, but it disappeared. Churchill became prime minister in 1940, not in 1939, this explains everything, study history.

Yes, I'm confused, I agree. What does this explain?

[Sergei Fonov]

And this explains the fact that you do not know for what reasons the agreement could not be concluded, the positions of the parties, the political situation in Europe, I wrote to you above about Poland and its principled position, there were also the Baltic states, Estonia, for example, had to hold out for 3 hours against the spacecraft, before the Germans arrived. Litvinov was removed, but he was also present during the capture of the Rhineland, and Austria, and Czechoslovakia, but this did not save them, it is impossible to write knowing basic facts, you are writing nonsense, the West was ready for the Russians to die for him, and the bad Russians refuse to die for them. See No. 373. It is not enough to be able to read, you also need to understand what is written.

[Sergei Fonov]

And this explains the fact that you do not know for what reasons the agreement could not be concluded, the positions of the parties, the political situation in Europe, I wrote to you above about Poland and its principled position, there were also the Baltic states, Estonia, for example, had to hold out for 3 hours against the spacecraft, before the Germans arrived. Litvinov was removed, but he was also present during the capture of the Rhineland, and Austria, and Czechoslovakia, but this did not save them, it is impossible to write knowing basic facts, you are writing nonsense, the West was ready for the Russians to die for him, and the bad Russians refuse to die for them. See No. 373. It is not enough to be able to read, you also need to understand what is written.

[Doctor]

And this explains the fact that you do not know for what reasons the agreement could not be concluded, the positions of the parties, the political situation in Europe, I wrote to you above about Poland and its principled position, there were also the Baltic states, Estonia, for example, had to hold out for 3 hours against the spacecraft, before the Germans arrived. Litvinov was removed, but he was also present during the capture of the Rhineland, and Austria, and Czechoslovakia, but this did not save them, it is impossible to write knowing basic facts, you are writing nonsense, the West was ready for the Russians to die for him, and the bad Russians refuse to die for them. See No. 373. It is not enough to be able to read, you also need to understand what is written.

The Poles did not object to the treaty. See document 353.
It’s true with Estonians. 396. Their position is 394.
And what? The British do not decide for them, we are talking about our tripartite negotiations.

It was precisely because of this policy that Russians began to die en masse.

[Sergei Fonov]

Do you understand what you are writing? No. 353 Sharonov’s telegram to the NKID, Beck stated “Poland will not interfere with the pact, but does not want to be the fourth.” What is he talking about? The fact that Poland will not allow the spacecraft to pass through its territory. Letter from the German Ambassador to the German Foreign Ministry dated August 10, 1939 "..... the Polish Ambassador replied, Poland will under no circumstances tolerate Soviet troops entering its territory, or even passing through it; Poland will under no circumstances tolerate will provide airfields to Soviet aviation" Don’t write any more, read No. 361,373,506. Read Churchill, his assessment, if you don’t understand, contact someone who can explain. I'm not involved in education. Good luck.

[steelmaker]

"From No. 346 page 416, to No. 506 page 663, there is nothing similar.."
A plus for you, simply because you know what these documents are about.

[Sergei Fonov]

Steelworker! There is nothing like it! What is there nothing like? Write more specifically, and if you don’t know what to write, then don’t write. Thoughts in yourself are dangerous.

[bk0010]

Quote: Arzt

If he had concluded an agreement with the Anglo-French, there would have been no June 22. wink

1. They tried to conclude, but they refused. Moreover, if Hitler had not defeated France, England and France would have attacked the USSR, starting with the bombing of the Baku oil fields.
2. How would this have prevented the attack on the USSR (there would have been no June 22)?

[Doctor]

1. They tried to conclude, but they refused.

The transcripts of the negotiations have been declassified for a long time. And it has long been known who wanted it, who came to whom, and who refused.

Moreover, if Hitler had not defeated France, England and France would have attacked the USSR, starting with the bombing of the Baku oil fields.

For what? Are they bad?

2. How would this have prevented the attack on the USSR (there would have been no June 22)?

Hitler would not have dared to go against the alliance of England, France and the USSR. He remembered the lessons of the First World War.

[bk0010]

Quote: Arzt

The transcripts of the negotiations have been declassified for a long time. And it has long been known who wanted it, who came to whom, and who refused.

From Ogonyok, right? But the main thing is: the result is important. The USSR offered a defensive alliance, they refused. After this, a non-aggression pact was concluded with Germany and a wild howl arose - “How dare you, we have already decided everything differently!”

Quote: Arzt

For what? Are they bad? laughing

Of course, but one does not interfere with the other. Google "Operation Pike"

Quote: Arzt

Hitler would not have dared to go against the alliance of England, France and the USSR. He remembered the lessons of the First World War.

Well, of course, I didn’t dare. Did he tell you this himself? And he took into account the lessons of the First World War. Let me just remind you that in the First World War the Germans were not defeated on the battlefield; there were no enemy troops in Germany. Their economy collapsed. And having drawn conclusions, the Germans took out the troops of France and England in one blow (yes, England was also defeated on land, the soldiers were more or less taken out, but all the weapons remained on the shore, they prepared to repel the landing force with homemade spears and stakes).

[Doctor]

From Ogonyok, right? But the main thing is: the result is important. The USSR offered a defensive alliance, they refused. After this, a non-aggression pact was concluded with Germany and a wild howl arose - “How dare you, we have already decided everything differently!”

I don’t read the light. Official documents of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

https://dvp.sssr.su/XXII-1.pdf
https://dvp.sssr.su/XXII-2.pdf

The howling began on June 23. Yes, we wanted to, but you misunderstood....

[bk0010]

Quote: Arzt

The howling began on June 23. Yes we wanted, you misunderstood.... wink

Will there be links to the howl?

Quote: Arzt

They viewed us as an enemy.

Then what are you writing?

Quote: Arzt

(there would be no June 22)

?

Quote: Arzt

Official documents of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
https://dvp.sssr.su/XXII-1.pdf
https://dvp.sssr.su/XXII-2.pdf

And what's there? It would be nice to indicate the pages, otherwise going through two volumes of 700 pages would be too much.

[Doctor]

They viewed us as an enemy.
Then what are you writing?
Quote: Arzt
(there would be no June 22)

I am convinced that if we had concluded an agreement with the Anglo-Franks, Hitler would have been able to calm down. On our terms.

[Doctor]

And what's there? It would be nice to indicate the pages, otherwise going through two volumes of 700 pages would be too much.

I wrote above to my friend the document numbers. 506 - final.
By the way, it's worth digging. Including footnotes. Helps you understand how politics actually works.

[Doctor]

Of course, but one does not interfere with the other. Google "Operation Pike"

Naturally. This is AFTER the conclusion of the pact. In 1940, 657 thousand tons of oil went to Germany from here.
They viewed us as an enemy. But don’t forget, everyone had huge plans, there were no real bombings.

[Doctor]

Well, of course, I didn’t dare. Did he tell you this himself? And he took into account the lessons of the First World War. Let me just remind you that in the First World War the Germans were not defeated on the battlefield; there were no enemy troops in Germany. Their economy collapsed. And having drawn conclusions, the Germans took out the troops of France and England in one blow (yes, England was also defeated on land, the soldiers were more or less taken out, but all the weapons remained on the shore, they prepared to repel the landing force with homemade spears and stakes).

Just read Speer's Memoirs. Chapter 12 The beginning of the downward slide. There at the very beginning. Hitler's reaction to the conclusion of the pact.

[bk0010]

Quote: Arzt

The transcripts of the negotiations have been declassified for a long time. And it has long been known who wanted it, who came to whom, and who refused.

I have read your document. It clearly shows that the negotiations merged the delegations of England and France. I tried to post it here, but it didn't work.

[Pavel Gusterin]

Quote: S.Z.

On June 22, 1944, Operation Bagration began

Not June 22, but June 23.

[Fangaro]

Ага.
Excellent historical analysis of dates!
Declaration, recantation and start of broadcasting.
Well, exactly the same events on the same calendar day.