Submarines of the Black Sea Fleet could bury the grain deal forever

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Submarines of the Black Sea Fleet could bury the grain deal forever
Project 636 diesel-electric submarine. Image aoosk.ru


“Ukraine has agreed with its partners to receive warships to ensure the safety of ships in the grain corridor in the Black Sea. According to President Zelensky, obtaining ships for convoying merchant ships is a matter of the near future.”
"Ukrainian Truth".



Grain in exchange for weapons


The grain deal between Russia and Ukraine, concluded with the participation of Turkey and the UN, has become one of the most controversial decisions taken by the leadership of our country.

You can talk as long as you like about the hungry countries of Africa (which still won’t receive this grain), but this will not change the essence: in fact, Russia allowed Ukraine to sell grain and pay for the supply of weapons with the money received for it, which are then used to kill our fellow citizens, and These weapons were most likely delivered by the same ships that later exported new shipments of grain.

After the Ukrainian attack on the Crimean Bridge, Russia withdrew from the grain deal and even took a number of measures to suppress the circulation of grain from the ports of Ukraine, however, at the moment, grain supplies continue, albeit in smaller volumes, as well as supplies weapons. Apparently, the attacks carried out by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (RF Armed Forces) on Ukrainian ports do not bring the desired result, that is, they cannot stop the work of the port infrastructure. It can be assumed that the actions of the RF Armed Forces as a whole and the Black Sea fleet (Black Sea Fleet) of the Russian Navy in particular are complicated by a number of factors.

Firstly, the air defense systems available to the Ukrainian Armed Forces (AFU) do not allow the Russian aviation approach a distance allowing it to be used against port facilities in Odessa and on the Danube powerful high-explosive bombs FAB-500 and FAB-1500 with unified planning and correction modules (UMPC). At the same time, the RF Armed Forces have a limited number of cruise missiles (CR) and operational-tactical missiles (OTR) that can be spent on these purposes, and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) - kamikazes of the "Geran-2" type do not cause serious damage to the enemy from -for a relatively small warhead (according to open data, about 50 kilograms),


The attacks on Ukrainian port facilities in Odessa and the Dnieper have not yet led to a complete stop in the transportation of grain and weapons

Secondly, the presence of anti-ship missiles (ASM) and unmanned boats (BEC) - kamikazes in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, apparently forces the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy to keep surface ships away from the coastline of Ukraine, in turn, transport ships follow as close as possible to the coast of Ukraine and NATO countries (Romania).

In addition, it can be assumed that the actions of the RF Armed Forces in relation to ships transporting grain, as well as, presumably, weapons for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, are limited for political reasons.

Judging by the latest information from open sources, President of Ukraine Zelensky expects to receive from Western countries some warships to escort transport ships with grain and weapons, which could further complicate the life of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy, of course, if these revelations are not a consequence of the abuse of prohibited substances.

There are two ways to completely close a grain deal.

The first is to destroy the entire port infrastructure of Ukraine to such an extent that it will be impossible to use it for many years to come - there are ways to do this, however, so far they have not been used by the RF Armed Forces.

The second is to create such a serious threat to transport ships transporting Ukrainian grain that the issue of transportation by sea will be completely closed. Potentially, to solve this problem, the submarine forces of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy, that is, diesel-electric submarines (diesel-electric submarines) of Project 636.3, could be involved.

We will talk about the second method in more detail.

Benefits of Stealth


Based on open data, the underwater component of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy participates in the SVO to a minimal extent - in fact, only in a few launches of the Kalibr-PL complex. This is largely due to the fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not have surface ships and submarines that would go out to the open sea so that they could be sunk by anti-ship missiles or torpedoes.

The breakdown of the grain deal allows us to consider the possibility of using Project 636.3 diesel-electric submarines from the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy to destroy transport ships heading to Ukrainian ports.

Currently, diesel-electric submarines of Project 636.3 are the most modern submarines in service with the Black Sea Fleet, although the only diesel-electric submarine "Alrosa" of Project 877B "Halibut" in service could potentially join them. Project 636.3 and 877V Halibut diesel-electric submarines can sink enemy transports in three ways: by anti-ship missiles from the Kalibr-PL complex, by 533 mm torpedoes, and also by laying minefields.

The use of anti-ship missiles from diesel-electric submarines does not make any sense - it is easier to do this from surface ships or from aircraft.

The issue with torpedoes is more complicated.

On the one hand, it would be nice for the Russian Navy to train submarine crews and test torpedo weapons on real targets.

On the other hand, if we are talking about the fact that the destruction of transport ships providing the delivery of grain and weapons is hampered by political factors, then the presence of Russian submarines at the time of their explosion may be undesirable.

Based on the above, it would be advisable to use torpedo weapons only if Western countries actually transfer any warships to Ukraine.

Thus, the only way to destroy transport ships is to lay minefields by submarines. Since the beginning of the NWO, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have placed a significant number of sea mines in the Black Sea, many of which have left their homes and set off on a journey, until they were discovered off the Turkish coast.

Potentially, diesel-electric submarines of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy can ensure the installation of mines as close as possible to the coastline in the territorial waters of Ukraine. If the depth allows large-capacity cargo ships to pass through, then diesel-electric submarines will most likely be able to operate there, especially since, unlike nuclear submarines, they are more suitable for operating in shallow waters.


The Turkish Ministry of Defense discovered a Ukrainian naval mine near Bulgaria

However, despite the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ lack of anti-submarine weapons, there are still certain risks of using diesel-electric submarines in Ukrainian territorial waters.

Threats and Risks


Firstly, the threat to our diesel-electric submarines is posed by sea mines, which the enemy has generously planted in the Black Sea. Most likely, most of them are primitive contact mines, however, where they are installed and at what depths is unknown.

In addition, it cannot be ruled out that, as part of military-technical assistance, Western countries supplied the Armed Forces of Ukraine with modern smart mines, which pose a significant threat to our submarines.

The ability to counter the mine threat largely depends on the characteristics of the diesel-electric submarine's hydroacoustic station (GAS), in particular the MG-519 "Arfa" mine-detecting sonar. In addition, a counterargument regarding the mine threat from the enemy is the passage of large transport ships into Ukrainian ports, which could collect mines for us, and then the problem of the grain deal would be resolved by itself.

Secondly, NATO countries could potentially organize tracking of Russian submarines near the coast of Ukraine. In particular, P-8 Poseidon anti-submarine aircraft periodically appear over the Black Sea, which can potentially deploy sonar buoys. It is also possible that Turkish diesel-electric submarines are located somewhere in the area where grain transport vehicles pass - they themselves are unlikely to attack surface ships and submarines of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy, but they may well transmit information to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, although, remembering the Russian front-line bomber shot down in Syria The Su-24M, and the fact that Turkey actually got away with it, nothing can be ruled out.

In turn, the Ukrainian Armed Forces, despite the lack of submarines, anti-submarine ships, airplanes and helicopters, have means that could potentially be used to destroy Russian diesel-electric submarines. We are talking about autonomous uninhabited underwater vehicles (AUVs) supplied to Ukraine by the UK, the USA and other Western countries. Despite the fact that the indicated AUVs are not initially intended for hunting submarines, they can be used both for laying sea mines and for directly attacking diesel-electric submarines using small-sized warheads installed on them.


British AUV REMUS 600

In general, the risks for Russian diesel-electric submarines arising from the deployment of sea mines intended to destroy transport heading to Ukrainian ports are most likely small.

The operating time of sonobuoys is limited; P-8 Poseidon aircraft that collect information from them can drive away aircraft of the Russian Air Force. Without a comprehensive deployment of anti-submarine forces, including surface ships, anti-submarine aircraft and helicopters, even taking into account the possible appearance of Turkish submarines, it is unlikely that it will be possible to ensure a sufficiently high probability of detecting diesel-electric submarines of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. And without this information, Ukrainian submarines drones will be useless.

As for the threat of sea mines for Russian submarines, in the area of ​​passage of transport ships heading to enemy ports, this threat is minimal.

Conclusions


The underwater component of the Russian Navy currently plays a minimal role in conducting military operations in Ukraine.

The use of diesel-electric submarines of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy for secretly laying minefields will make it possible to close the grain deal forever, eliminating the transportation of grain from Ukraine and weapons to Ukraine, at least by sea.

Depending on the political situation, Russia may admit its participation in the “active” closure of the grain deal, use the “Glomar answer” - “we can neither confirm nor deny...” or evade responsibility with a wording like “we warned that the region dangerous for shipping."

Of course, as part of a covert operation using diesel-electric submarines to finally close a grain deal, all possible risks must be taken into account and measures taken to neutralize them.
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  1. Des
    +11
    5 December 2023 06: 22
    From the article: “The submarines of the Black Sea Fleet may bury the grain deal forever,” but they may not forever, and they may not bury it. They can do anything).
    If desired, NATO can quite easily deploy an effective detection system for our 7 submarines in neutral waters and in the air. And it will help Ukrainians in further actions. They have everything for this.
    After all, they successfully implemented control over the flights of our aircraft over the territory of Ukraine. We don't fly there.
    The article concludes: “In general, the risks for Russian diesel-electric submarines arising from the deployment of sea mines intended to destroy transport heading to the ports of Ukraine are most likely small.”
    Did the sunken ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet also think that “In general, the risks... are most likely small”?
    And the method itself - laying mines in international waters - is dangerous not because of its selectivity.
    1. +9
      5 December 2023 06: 50
      Well, it is very doubtful that Russia will go so far as to sink ships with its submarines that are carrying weapons in one direction and grain in another. From the article - “the destruction of transport ships that ensure the delivery of grain and weapons is hampered by political factors...” - but it’s hard to disagree with this. Oh, these "political factors"....
    2. +2
      6 December 2023 10: 06
      not seven submarines, but four.....
    3. +4
      6 December 2023 12: 15
      Quote: Des
      From the article: “The submarines of the Black Sea Fleet may bury the grain deal forever,” but they may not forever, and they may not bury it. They can do anything).
      If desired, NATO can quite easily deploy an effective detection system for our 7 submarines in neutral waters and in the air. And it will help Ukrainians in further actions. They have everything for this.
      After all, they successfully implemented control over the flights of our aircraft over the territory of Ukraine. We don't fly there.
      The article concludes: “In general, the risks for Russian diesel-electric submarines arising from the deployment of sea mines intended to destroy transport heading to the ports of Ukraine are most likely small.”
      Did the sunken ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet also think that “In general, the risks... are most likely small”?
      And the method itself - laying mines in international waters - is dangerous not because of its selectivity.

      What did you expect from the urya article? The author first invents the problem himself, and then offers you a solution...
      Let's start from the beginning - the world grain market and its buyers do not care about the source of grain by and large... if there is a surplus of grain, the price goes down, if there is a shortage, the price goes up. Therefore, for needy African countries, it doesn’t matter whether grain from Ukraine or someone else gets to them, the main thing is that it is on the market, then the price of any grain for them will be lower, which means the “grain deal” is more than interesting to them... further regarding the delivery of weapons by ship - transportation of weapons and equipment in grain dry cargo ships tends to 0... even if you manage to persuade the owner of the ship to transport the equipment in the hold, you will then need to persuade the recipient of the grain to accept the grain with contaminants, it’s too lazy to describe again, whoever wants to will find out the difficulties and stupidity of such an idea... further - ships transporting grain do not belong to Ukraine, which means this is the involvement of a third party in the conflict (even if you ignore the fact that legally there is no conflict between Ukraine and Russia), especially in neutral waters or, God forbid, in the territory at all. In the waters of a NATO country...
      Now let's get to the execution itself - the NATO satellite constellation is more than enough to track the moment the boat goes out to sea, then the number of NATO ships, planes and drones is enough to detect and escort the boat from neutral waters, the Ukrainians will only have to strike... with the confrontation at sea in general a nightmare situation, a country that actually does not have a fleet was able to inflict more than noticeable damage on us (lost - the cruiser Moscow, a submarine, several large landing craft and God knows what else), actually driving the remnants of the fleet to the most remote ports... sometimes one gets the impression that if not for the position Turkey through the straits of the Black Sea Fleet could generally go to “guard the corn” in Syria or somewhere else out of harm’s way...
    4. -1
      6 December 2023 14: 16
      Control of the CFC comes through “partnerships” between banks and our TNCs.
      There will be no victory for the army on the outskirts. Just "bargained"
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  2. +2
    5 December 2023 06: 41
    Why won’t they run out of grain? Are they giving birth to him?
    1. +4
      5 December 2023 07: 00
      They sow and harvest. And what did you think, since they are fighting, then agriculture has disappeared? But in fact, the article... Let there not be this underwater war. Politics has already been said above. And the ships sail in the thermal waters of Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey And yes, did we really promise to sink civilian ships?
      1. +5
        5 December 2023 08: 48
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        And the ships sail in the thermal waters of Romania, Bulgaria, and Turkey. And yes, did we really promise to sink civilian ships?

        It is necessary to drown in the ports of Ukraine. During unloading.
        1. RMT
          +2
          6 December 2023 16: 04
          Sink merchant ships of third countries? Seriously?
          1. 0
            7 December 2023 06: 32
            Quote: RMT
            Sink merchant ships of third countries? Seriously?

            Do you think that in war they play with spillikins?
          2. +1
            7 December 2023 12: 50
            Following the example of how they closed the sky and closed navigation in Ukrainian territorial waters, the NWO is going on and we are not responsible for their safety. The West provides Ukraine with air defense systems, which means Ukraine is responsible for these ships in its waters and ports.
      2. +1
        6 December 2023 10: 02
        They don’t sow anything, they only sow corpses... over time, only zilch will be left from the grain deal.... there will be nothing to export, Ukraine as a state is going down
        How much grain did Ukraine harvest in 2023? volumes are decreasing
        1. -1
          6 December 2023 20: 16
          Quote: EvilCommunist
          They don’t sow anything, they only sow corpses... over time, only zilch will be left from the grain deal.... there will be nothing to export, Ukraine as a state is going down
          How much grain did Ukraine harvest in 2023? volumes are decreasing

          In 2023, Ukraine collected much more than its own population needed. So they sell the excess (a lot of excess).
  3. +7
    5 December 2023 08: 02
    Perfectly.

    Unlimited submarine warfare, what could go wrong? It worked perfectly the last two times.

    Otherwise, the SVO has become boring. It needs to be escalated.
    1. +2
      5 December 2023 11: 31
      "On the one hand, it is impossible not to recognize, on the other hand, it is impossible not to note!" (with)

      It should be noted that the author is quite rightly worried about the reaction of our friend Erdogan - he has a habit of killing first, then expressing regrets and receiving loans.
      ...it is possible that Turkish diesel-electric submarines are located somewhere in the area where transports for transporting grain pass - they themselves are unlikely to attack surface ships and submarines of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy, but they may well transmit information to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, although, remembering the Russian one shot down in Syria the Su-24M front-line bomber, as well as the fact that Turkey actually got away with it, nothing can be ruled out.


      On the other hand, one cannot help but admit that, unlike Erdogan, the hegemon himself (in the person of Biden) today is not the same as before: he tolerates everything calmly when “proxy” bases are attacked with missiles, or when a drone is shot down and doused with jet fuel. expressing "deep concern".
      It is also impossible not to admit that there is a big grievance - we withdrew from the grain deal, but the deal (or what should we call this state of movement of ships that are no longer grain grain???) is working....

      In general, the author's idea
      train submarine crews and test torpedo weapons on real targets
      There is no need to dismiss it right away; it is quite possible that they will try it too. Well actually, "what could go wrong?" (With)
      1. -1
        6 December 2023 20: 22
        "What could go wrong." The depths of the Western part of the Black Sea do not allow modern submarines to operate there. During the Second World War, “Malyutki” and “Pike” fought there (6-10 times less than “Varshavyanka”), and even then with heavy losses.
  4. +3
    5 December 2023 08: 02
    Dreams, but closer ones, at least not a description of the war with NATO. smile
  5. +1
    5 December 2023 08: 22
    Nothing will be given to Kyiv (much and systematically) until a new business plan is agreed upon. The previous “$100 billion in exchange for the 1991 borders” had no result. I don’t see any reason for the United States to issue as many more without re-approval by analogy. But it won’t happen, because there are no prerequisites in the field, no personalities, no consensus in the United States.
    The United States has essentially received the maximum - the “eastern rampart” runs in the north through the Kharkov, Chernigov and Sumy regions, Sweden and Finland have changed their status, the Polish and Baltic borders are closed (not even politically). Why should they spend more money? Last year the logic was 100 billion. get excess profit. And now they just need to fix it. They are commercial and their logic is commercial.
    They need to get their industry up to speed, sign an interim paper with us, and raise money with the EU to finance Kyiv’s budget. It's not that difficult - 50 billion for 27 countries. In fact, the EU does not see any point in providing for weapons in this situation.
  6. +3
    5 December 2023 08: 34
    Submarines could bury the grain deal forever

    They can, but there has not been and will not be an order. All according to plan. Where was this plan written, think for yourself....
    1. -1
      7 December 2023 14: 23
      Quote: Vladimir80
      Where was this plan written, think for yourself...

      Ay-yay-yay, Vova, ay-yay-yay request laughing
  7. +8
    5 December 2023 08: 45
    But nothing will happen. The same way they carried grain, they will carry it.
  8. BAI
    +5
    5 December 2023 08: 56
    Ukraine has agreed with partners to receive warships to ensure the safety of ships in the grain corridor in the Black Sea. According to President Zelensky, obtaining ships for convoying merchant ships is a matter of the near future.”

    And the first 3 patrol boats from France are already in the port of Romania. Soon the submarines of the Black Sea Fleet will not be able to go to sea, let alone dictate any conditions to shipping.
  9. +6
    5 December 2023 09: 39
    The Ukrainian Armed Forces have anti-submarine helicopters donated by the UK, this, coupled with reconnaissance from NATO, will make the submarine’s trip towards Odessa a one-way trip.
  10. +7
    5 December 2023 11: 36
    I believe that at the moment the minimal obstacle to the export of grain on our part does not come from our inability to prevent it - this is most likely a political decision.
    Since the beginning of the SVO, there have already been precedents for the significant influence of economic factors on the choice of certain goals, or rather on their NOT choice. I admit that such moments are still alive today, perhaps there are some shadow agreements not to stuff the civilian or transport fleet - if such agreements exist, then these are tripartite agreements.
    It is also worth taking into account the factor of our (apparently) desire to contribute as much as possible to mitigate the foreign policy costs of the Northern Military District and sharply limit its geography.

    We have the ability to stop this - large grain carriers are not ducks in a shooting gallery, by destroying a couple we would solve the problem until the end of the Northern War. However, the political and economic costs of such actions and their legal consequences are a complex issue. NWO is not a war from a legislative point of view; without the status of war, the destruction of transport of third countries on the territory of another country can be interpreted by international law not in our favor.
    And if this is so, this will be another trump card in the hands of those who want to take away our confiscated money and transfer it to Ukraine (or appropriate it).
    So the stakes in this game may be higher than it seems.
    1. +8
      5 December 2023 18: 11
      Sinking civilian ships in foreign territorial and international waters is a very bad idea. NATO has much more opportunities to sink our civilian ships. Now, apparently, the aspirations of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in this direction are not at all welcomed. But if we start, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will have the means and opportunities to respond. And the Black Sea may become completely closed to navigation. It is unlikely that Russia will benefit from this.
      Who knows, maybe serious problems will arise in the Baltic Sea then.
  11. +7
    5 December 2023 16: 41
    The author got too excited, daydreaming and confused. Isn’t it clear that only an enemy ship can be torpedoed? And this is only in conditions of actually declared war. Otherwise it is a war crime and piracy. And why chase after ships? Destroy the ports and there will be nowhere to sail.
    1. 0
      6 December 2023 00: 26
      Quote: Yuras_Belarus
      Destroy the ports and there will be nowhere to sail.

      What's the point? If we seriously consider them as our future territories. Look at the photo: the portal cranes are untouched! But these are the main elements of the infrastructure of any port... And even Geranium could cope with them.
      1. +1
        6 December 2023 00: 40
        This is the port of Berdyansk. The BDK is on fire.
  12. -2
    5 December 2023 22: 54
    Submarines of the Black Sea Fleet could bury the grain deal forever

    In the meantime,
    At the moment, grain supplies continue, albeit in smaller volumes, as do weapons deliveries. Apparently, the strikes carried out by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (RF Armed Forces) on Ukrainian ports do not bring the desired result,
    and the Bandera bastard sitting in Kyiv continues and continues to receive what allows her not only to snap back, but also to conduct “counter-attacks” for several months! When, finally, when describing what is happening in the Northern Military District, verbs will begin to be used in the present, or better yet, in the past tense, for example, the RF Armed Forces buried the grain deal, destroyed, defeated, etc.
  13. +5
    5 December 2023 23: 06
    Vessels, Ukrovian or non-Ukrovian, must be destroyed in ports during loading and unloading. And there is no need to drive submarines there; missiles are quite capable of turning the loading and unloading procedure into a very gambling one. Does the port belong to a party to the conflict? So it's a legitimate goal. The ships located there too. And there is no need to shaggy grandma, GIVE IT TO THEM, STRATEGISTS.
  14. +4
    5 December 2023 23: 30
    The photo looks very much like an attack by Tochka U missiles during the unloading of our large landing ship Saratov in Berdyansk.
    1. +3
      5 December 2023 23: 55
      :) in the top photo you can clearly see the open doors of the landing gate of the BDK.
      1. +1
        6 December 2023 00: 39
        Quote: sergey_342
        :) in the top photo you can clearly see the open doors of the landing gate of the BDK.

        But you are absolutely right! And this is the BDK pr. 1171, but there are no such things in the Ukrainian Navy. This is our landing ship... This is the “kaku” that Mr. Mitrofanov gave us. It’s good if it’s due to ignorance and stupidity. And if not??? negative
  15. +2
    6 December 2023 00: 46
    The author proposes to commit, in fact, not even a war crime, but simply an attack on a third country. Russia has not declared war on Ukraine; accordingly, there are no legal grounds for a blockade or obstruction of civilian shipping. By sinking a ship from a third country, we will simply put ourselves in the position of pirates.
  16. -1
    6 December 2023 01: 01
    In order to block the Black Sea coast of Ukraine, political will and a well-prepared interspecies operation are needed. And whether submarines, aviation, marines or another type of troops will be used there, this is generally the tenth thing... It all starts with a goal and the will to achieve it. And the funds will be found. Although…
  17. -1
    6 December 2023 04: 14
    Namely, “political will”, but there is none!!! It is enough just to announce the introduction of the rule of unlimited submarine warfare.
  18. +4
    6 December 2023 05: 04
    I work at the port from time to time. Not in a technical position - I just accept loads. And based on the experience gained in the process, I sincerely don’t understand what kind of ports these are, that people are scurrying around on them, but the equipment still worked and still works.
    Even if one geranium flies in once a day and destroys some distribution cabinet or loader, you can forget about the normal process of loading and unloading operations.
    It’s not just an arrival, but the threat of an arrival will make everything very complicated.
    And we are talking about thousands of tons.
    Not to mention the fact that a ship standing at the pier is a very vulnerable target, and the legal consequences from its defeat are much less than from its defeat at sea.
    I think we have very little idea of ​​what's really going on.
  19. +1
    6 December 2023 07: 48
    SVO is not a war of survival, but a military-political action that has political goals and is carried out by both military and political methods, that is, through agreements. There are certain limits within which force can be used, these limits are unknown to the general public.

    The grain deal continues without Russia; it is still possible to disrupt grain deliveries by sea by purely military means (it’s easy to hit a target the size of a seaport), but, IMHO, this cannot be done for political reasons.

    Military measures for political purposes are not the other way around.
  20. 0
    6 December 2023 10: 12
    photo for article:
    BDK "Saratov" in the port of Berdyansk after shelling by Ukrainian troops using a Tochka-U missile.

    here is another photo after “The attacks on Ukrainian port facilities in Odessa and the Dnieper have not yet led to a complete stop in the transportation of grain and weapons”
  21. -1
    6 December 2023 20: 46
    Dear Andrey Mitrofanov! When preparing an article (note), carefully prepare the “photo setting” for it... The photo captures the moment of the strike on the Russian large landing ship "SARATOV" in the port of Berdyansk.... Do not mislead the reading public VO... Regarding the use of diesel engines Submarine against the “grain deal”: first we need political will and overcoming the feeling of “healthy restlessness” of those who plan and offer “options” to the Supreme... All Romanian and Bulgarian ports have long been legitimate targets for striking them by our Armed Forces... And Odessa, Nikolaev, it seems, are not yet on the lists of “elimination from the game” or, already, promised to someone.... Mining of the areas of the proposed routes for the movement of NATO-AFU support vessels is quite real and feasible work for submarines of the Red Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation, without any special legal problems and consequences in the event of the explosion of ships with weapons or grain. There is a war going on.... And the means of air and space surveillance of the Black Sea are problems that can also be solved. There would be a desire to solve these problems... But the third world war WILL NOT START if, suddenly, various unmanned reconnaissance aircraft and aircraft begin to “fall” from the sky - NATO target designation over the neutral waters of the Black Sea... One explosion of a transport on a mine will be enough and “the whole movie” about the “grain deal” will stop... I think that insurance companies will “charge up” the payment of insurance for a “trip” to Romania or to Ukroreich so much that there will hardly be anyone willing to risk money and business like that in the coming years...
  22. 0
    6 December 2023 21: 59
    Konashenka needs to be told that crossing the Red Lines is unacceptable.
  23. +2
    7 December 2023 07: 10
    To stop Ukrainian shipping it is necessary to deprive it of access to the sea, then the capture of Odessa will solve this problem once and for all
  24. 0
    7 December 2023 14: 49
    Directly attacking merchant ships will not work at all. This is an international crime. It is also forbidden to mine neutral waters. All that remains is the mining of Ukrainian terrorist waters. This is a risky undertaking. Firstly, ukrosils have means of mine clearance. Well, secondly, if the boat is discovered, they will not stand on ceremony with it - they will immediately throw everything they have at it.
    1. -1
      7 December 2023 20: 31
      Dear Glagol1! What will they (Ukroreich) “throw” against the DPL? Plastic boats? A patrol boat with a 30mm cannon? Any military action involves risks, and sabotage work is a double risk.... Fighting with a “white glove” is quite difficult and unproductive. The West does not understand such “intelligence”, with the addition of the word “actually”, taking all these intellectual “antics”, in the spirit of Leopold the cat, from the famous “cartoon”, for banal weakness and military-political inconsistency... It’s time to start to fight, in fact, using all the experience of wars both at sea and in its depths, and in the skies and in space... The period of exhortation from the West + the USA, domestic “co-operation” in the international arenas seems to have passed... It’s time to start showing the outside world WHO is laying claim to one of the Centers of Power in the supposed multipolar world... True, this will be a rather complex “event”, while remaining “one of” the “friendly family” of capitalist states... Russia is trying to break this “aspect” by “modernizing” the current social - political formation (clan-oligarchic capitalism with elements of state capitalism) giving it (capitalism) a Gagarin smile... Something like this...
  25. -1
    7 December 2023 17: 12
    I read the article:
    - And I want to take injections and my mother doesn’t tell me....
    We can do everything, we have everything...... But in fact, it’s a shabby “banana” province.
    What can we say about land routes for arms supplies... We cannot close the hole from the open sea. And how Shoigu tore the vest on his chest.....
    Our troops have been sitting in the trenches for almost a year now. They are not allowed to come out.
    The ingenious headquarters still hopes that the Americans will run out of weapons. We can’t cut off supplies, the pants are short.
    Here's the situation:
    the Banderlogs have nothing to attack with (they are delivering them, but not enough), and ours will continue to sit in the trenches (there is nothing to attack with). Here Shoigu scared the Papuans with “cluster” super-duper ammunition. So what? Farted twice. So that is all!!!!
    And “Poseidons”, “Petrels”, “Sarmatians”...... Almaty, etc. So these are exhibits for parades...
  26. 0
    8 December 2023 12: 59
    Already a year and a half has passed since the Black Sea Fleet's submarines were supposed to completely render all Ukrainian ports and the remaining bases of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Navy unusable by torpedo attacks....
  27. -1
    9 December 2023 11: 20
    A couple of good blows to the energy infrastructure and the issue is resolved. Ports cannot operate without electricity
  28. 0
    18 December 2023 00: 13
    There is no political solution, maybe “Erdogan’s balls” will help the bosses realize that they are lions