Can Russia not lose a war with the United States without the use of nuclear weapons?

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Can Russia not lose a war with the United States without the use of nuclear weapons?

After the end of World War II, two opposing forces emerged in the world - the United States of America (USA) and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). After the collapse of the USSR and the temporary end of the Cold War, for some time the United States was in search of opponents, which included various countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan, but these countries clearly did not claim to be a global adversary, and the fight against “world terrorism” looked somehow A bit small for a superpower like the United States.

Even North Korea with its nuclear weapons could not be considered by the United States as “enemy No. l.” Of course, already at the beginning of the new millennium, the American political establishment always had China somewhere “in its mind” as a future global rival, however, it seems that then this threat seemed distant to them. Then the world began to change quickly, and far from the direction the United States wanted.



First of all, it turned out that China's economic and military power is growing much faster than expected, and along with it, China's political ambitions. China is actively strengthening its fleet, building ships, including aircraft carriers, which indicates its readiness to expand far beyond its “home” region - this is confirmed by the economic penetration of the PRC into many countries of the world, including the countries of Africa and Latin America.

However, China behaves extremely carefully, does not get into trouble and steadfastly endures the rather harsh sanctions pressure and the shameless attitude of the United States. Meanwhile, although the United States is imposing fairly harsh sanctions against China, the interpenetration of the economies of the United States and China is so great that a sudden break is still unacceptable for either country.


The power of the PRC armed forces is growing rapidly

Well, then the Munich speech of Russian President Vladimir Putin took place, after which the specter of the Cold War once again rose in full force between Russia and Western countries. Then came the war of 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, the “orange” coup d’etat in Ukraine, the return of Crimea to Russia, shelling of the Lugansk and Donbass people’s republics by Ukrainian nationalist formations, Russia’s participation in the armed conflict in Syria, and finally, the beginning of the Russian Special Military Operation ( SVO) in Ukraine.

At the moment, Russia is actually in an indirect state of war with the NATO bloc and other sympathetic Western countries led by the United States. Yes, there is no direct clash yet, but in many ways our enemy is fighting with American and European weapons, with full information support from NATO countries, under the leadership of American and British private instructors and military personnel.

Russia’s rather mild reaction to the aggressive provocative actions of Western countries, for example, such as supplies of portable weapons, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), cannon and rocket artillery, supplies of armored vehicles и long-range precision weapons (WTO), undermining the Nord Stream, as well as organizing strikes against ships of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy and the Crimean Bridge, leads to new, more and more aggressive provocations against our country.

At a certain point, Western countries may cross the line after which the situation will get out of control, which will lead to a direct military clash, primarily between the United States and Russia.

A widespread misconception is the idea that any clash between the United States and Russia is guaranteed to lead to an exchange of nuclear strikes and the destruction of humanity. In this case, both the first and second assumptions are erroneous. At the moment, the defense doctrine of the Russian Federation clearly states that the use of nuclear weapons by our country is possible only in response to the use of such weapons by the enemy, when the enemy strikes critical infrastructure facilities and in the event of an existential threat to the very existence of Russia.

In connection with the above, the question arises: is our country capable of not to lose US conventional war and what is needed for this. Note that you cannot win, since the Soviet Union could not defeat the United States in a non-nuclear conflict, but not to lose, that is, not allowing the United States to achieve its goals and force them to stop aggression.

The point here is not the power of the US armed forces, but the geographic remoteness of our enemy, despite the fact that he has a foothold and allies on our continent, while we have neither a foothold nor allies on the American continent.

Let's start with the obvious.

Fleet


No chance of any successful opposition to the American the fleet we do not have.

The difference in the number and quality of surface ships, sea aviation, submarines and other weapons is so monstrous that no “Zircons” or “Daggers” will help here.

In March 2022, the author published an article Goals and objectives of the Russian Navy: destroy half of the enemy fleet – we were talking about the destruction of ships of the American Navy (Navy) located at naval bases (NAB). The strikes inflicted by the Ukrainian Armed Forces (AFU) on the ships of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy stationed at the bases fully confirmed the correctness of the proposed concept.


Currently, the US Navy has no equal rivals

Of course, this is a double-edged sword, since the US Navy can also attack Russian Navy ships and submarines located in the naval base. And given the fact that, based on open data, the operational stress coefficient (OSC) in the Russian Navy is significantly lower than in the US BMC (that is, there are more ships in the naval base), as well as a huge number of long-range military and technical equipment of the enemy, we can assume that during the first strike, over two-thirds of the surface ships and submarines of the Russian Navy would be destroyed.

The rest will be hunted, as a result of which only strategic missile submarines (SSBNs) will survive, since their destruction could lead to an exchange of nuclear strikes, as well as some of the multi-purpose nuclear submarines (SSBNs), which will be covered by these SSBNs (although it should be the other way around) .

Of course, if we were talking about delivering a sudden disarming blow, then everything would be exactly the opposite - the SSBNs would be the first to be destroyed, both those stationed in the naval base and those tracked by the US Navy on patrol routes, but we are talking about a scenario of a conventional conflict.

The Air Force (BBC) could improve the position of the Russian Navy, but they will have their own problems.

Aviation


It can be assumed that the possible confrontation between the United States and Russia in the air will be in many ways similar to the current confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, only we will now find ourselves in the role of Ukraine.

At the very beginning of the conflict, the Russian BBC will have approximately the same problems as the Russian Navy. Unlike ships and submarines, for which the KOH is quite achievable at the level of 0,5 or 50% (that is, only half of the ships and submarines will be in the naval base), most of the aircraft are still on the ground at airfields most of the time basing, at least at the very beginning of the conflict. In the future, the number of sorties will increase, but they will still be tied to home airfields.


The Russian Air Force can resist the US Air Force, but it will be very difficult

Potentially, there is the possibility of dispersing combat aircraft to other airfields, up to unpaved airfields; it is even possible to operate aircraft from suitable sections of roads, and with helicopters this issue is resolved even more easily. If dispersal measures are implemented before the US launches the first strike, the Russian Air Force will have a much greater chance of survival.

However, it is necessary to understand that the more complex a combat aircraft is, the more demanding it is to maintain, so it will be almost impossible to completely escape from airfields.

As space reconnaissance equipment improves and the number of high-tech aircraft with the ability to retarget in flight increases, the chances of survival on the ground for “classic” horizontal take-off and landing aircraft will rapidly decrease. In connection with which already now it is necessary to revive the theme of vertical take-off and landing aircraft (VTOL).

It is unlikely that the United States will be able to achieve strategic air supremacy over Russian territory; several factors will contribute to this.

Firstly, the Russian Armed Forces have long-range air-to-air (A-A) missiles in the Sy-35 and Su-57 fighters, as well as long-range anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAMs) as part of the S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems , will allow the Russian Armed Forces to ensure the destruction of long-range radar detection and control aircraft (AWACS), radar reconnaissance aircraft of the E-8 JSTARS type, as well as high-altitude reconnaissance UAVs of the Global Hawk type, as a result of which the United States will not be able to completely take control of low altitudes over the territory of the Russian Federation.

Secondly, the main burden of the fight against American combat aircraft and helicopters will most likely fall on Russian air defense systems, which will use ambush tactics. Considering the nomenclature and number of air defense systems available to the Russian Armed Forces, when operating from high altitudes, US Air Force aircraft will suffer significant losses, as a result of which they will have to return to low and ultra-low altitudes, where they will be vulnerable to fire from man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS), rapid-fire small-caliber automatic guns and even small arms.


Using ambush tactics, Russian air defense systems will not allow the United States to seize air supremacy over the entire territory of our country

The situation can change only after the appearance on combat aircraft and helicopters of the US Air Force laser airborne self-defense systems и V-V missile defensethat will allow increase the survivability of combat aircraft at high altitudes, but for now this is a matter of perspective.

Taking into account the above, the actions of the US Air Force over the territory of the Russian Federation will be limited in nature and will mainly be limited to delivering long-range strikes and hunting aircraft and helicopters of the Russian Armed Forces near the line of combat contact (LCC). When attempting to carry out deep raids deep into Russian territory, the US Air Force will inevitably suffer heavy losses.

As a result, the Russian Air Force, although it will suffer significant losses, especially at the very beginning of the war, will remain as a force that poses a significant threat to the US Armed Forces, including air support for ground forces in the event that the enemy breaks through the defensive positions of ground units on the LBS and advances deep into our territory.

ground forces


As for combat operations on land, US ground forces, even reinforced by the armed forces of NATO countries, are still inferior to the Ground Forces of the Russian Armed Forces. Nevertheless, the presence of high-quality reconnaissance, control and communications equipment, a large number of precision-guided ammunition, as well as air superiority in the LBS area, which allows the enemy to actively use combat helicopters, will collectively pose a significant threat to the Russian Army.

There is no doubt that the United States is guaranteed to be able to secure superiority in the air and in reconnaissance assets over the territory it controls, as a result of which any active offensive actions on our part will be practically impossible. It can be assumed that the main form of combat operations of the Russian Army will be the construction of a deep layered defense, significantly larger in scale than what we are now seeing in Ukraine.


It is unlikely that US and allied ground forces will be able to successfully conduct offensive operations without strategic air superiority

In essence, the task of the RF Armed Forces will be to contain the enemy in the format of positional combat operations, within which the disruption of the enemy’s offensive operations will be ensured operational laying of minefields, wide application Short-range kamikaze UAV, anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM), as well as cannon artillery and multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) with cluster warheads.

Conclusions


In the event of an attack by the United States and NATO countries on our country, the war will most likely take on a positional character. The reality is that The current level of military technology development is more conducive to defense than offense for adversaries with comparable combat power.

After the formation and stabilization of the LBS along the defensive positions of the weakest enemy, the war will enter a protracted stage, and competition between the economies and military-industrial complexes (MIC) of the warring parties will begin.

Achieving final victory by one of the opponents will largely be determined by its ability to cause damage to the enemy’s economy and the enemy’s military-industrial complex, as well as to prevent, or at least reduce the effectiveness of, similar actions on the enemy’s part.
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  1. -26
    30 November 2023 04: 41
    The author wrote a lot of outright nonsense about American air supremacy and the like. And in the first days of the war, the Americans will lose more ships than us.
    1. +23
      30 November 2023 05: 14
      Quote: zontov79
      And in the first days of the war, the Americans will lose more ships than us.

      Logical! But not least because we have many fewer ships...
      1. +21
        30 November 2023 05: 19
        Mitrofanov, at least reread the military doctrine of the Russian Federation or something...
        1. +2
          30 November 2023 07: 57
          Aha laughing NATO will first begin hostilities, and then go to Istanbul to negotiate.
        2. -1
          30 November 2023 12: 03
          I would re-read the military doctrine of the Russian Federation

          Is this the one in which “reserves the right”?
          Where you left it, that’s where it will lie. In almost ten years this could have been understood.
        3. +14
          30 November 2023 12: 51
          Quote: Aerodrome
          Mitrofanov, at least reread the military doctrine of the Russian Federation or something...

          Yeah, I painted a picture... of a conventional fool war between Russia and the entire NATO bloc. And even on its own territory. And of course, in his opinion, Russia will endure, “repent” and lazily fight back/dismiss. fool
          The military doctrine spells out in black and white the PREVENTIVE use of all types of nuclear weapons in the event of a threat to the very existence of Russia and its statehood. Or, in HIS opinion, is a war with the entire NATO bloc not such a thing?
          Or maybe preparations for such an attack... preparations of SUCH a scale will be able to elude intelligence and the Russian leadership in general?
          Therefore, AS soon as such preparations are recorded, all measures will be taken for a PREVENTIVE, disarming and ALL-DESTRUCTIVE strike by the appropriate strategic nuclear forces on enemy territories, deploying groups, naval, air bases, arsenals, ship and aircraft carrier strike groups in places of deployment, and also along the coastal part of their coasts to a depth of 500 km.
          What kind of “conventional” conflict with the USA and NATO is the author fantasizing about?? Who needs this? To whose mill is this nonsense poured?
          Fight with a fleet that we don't have? ...Conventionally?
          Fight with aviation against all US and NATO aircraft without launching nuclear strikes on their airfields? Command centers? VMB? Should we also feed their transgender blacks at this time?
          The author listed the types of troops in which the United States and NATO have an advantage, and proposed to fight “fairly” with this. This is when a gang of dugs of 25 meets you alone in a gateway and says that they will beat you “fairly” - only with clubs and brass knuckles. Yes So, author?
          And then you calmly remove the machine gun from your shoulder, and first throw a couple of RGD-5s at this army.
          You should never be ashamed of your complexes. Especially if they are capable of sinking archipelagos and washing continents for 500 km. deeper and more. And you should never enter into a discussion with such a gang - YOU NEED TO BE THE FIRST.
          And don’t leave any survivors.

          And the streets will immediately become calm.
          1. -2
            3 December 2023 21: 20
            Go to.... Or to... For the second year we are already “destroying everything.” Go to the military registration and enlistment office and to the front, then share your impressions.
            1. +5
              3 December 2023 21: 41
              I have been in Donetsk since 2014, but my age and health no longer allow it. And if you are so militant, why are you on the couch?
              Quote: Dmitry S._2
              then share your impressions.

              Should I share my impressions with you?
              How do you fly around Donetsk almost every day? How can you hear from the city center what is happening in Avdeevka and Marinka? How did a Grad fly into the roof of my house last winter? How did the entire yard and surrounding area become covered with “Petals”? How to bury comrades? And understand that this infection (fascism) must be destroyed completely, completely, without even leaving “seeds”. Otherwise there will never be peace.
              Quote: Dmitry S._2
              Fuck you

              Go ahead, boy, on your own. Then you can share your impressions.
    2. -12
      30 November 2023 14: 57
      The author is clearly mistaken about the fleet. If you simply put lists of ships side by side, then yes, there is no chance, but the fact of the matter is that war at sea is asymmetrical. When approaching our shores, even at distant borders, the striped fleet falls into the range of our missiles, coastal, Bal, Bastion, etc., air-based, Tu-22M3, Mig-31K, Su-24M/30/34/35/ 57. MAPL and surface ships will complete the picture. There will be hundreds of missiles of different types in the salvo, even if 10% break through to the targets, and more break through, the striped fleet will move from attack to the fight for survivability. The main thing is to prevent them from delivering a disarming first blow. To do this, they need to disperse and prevent their fleet from reaching the critical launch distances of cruise missiles. And then a lot of striped meat will go to the bottom. It’s just hard to believe that they will stop there. Looking at what stubborn die-hards are in power there, a nuclear war following the first clashes is inevitable...
      1. +14
        30 November 2023 15: 25
        Quote: Glagol1
        Ball, Bastion, etc., airborne, Tu-22M3, Mig-31K, Su-24M/30/34/35/57.

        In reality, the Russian Federation does not have naval aviation. But the US Navy has aviation, and it is the second most powerful in the world after the American Air Force.

        So I would temper my optimism a little.
        1. -3
          30 November 2023 22: 10
          The author resembles a supporter of traditional sex who studiously ignores the Kama Sutra! If the war goes according to his scenario, then nothing good will happen to Russia. This means we need to act outside of the mold! The Americans are unable to intercept the Kinzhal and Zircon missiles. The St. Andreas Fault in the United States is struck with a megaton-class warhead. This triggers a process of underground earthquakes, as a result of which HALF of the USA SLIDES INTO THE OCEAN! The other half is filled with lava from the Yellowstone volcano, to trigger the eruption of which a tactical warhead of 5 kT is enough. And good bye America, you don’t have to waste any more missiles! These are not my fantasies, but the old plan for the destruction of the United States, created back in the USSR. Military expert K. Sivkov spoke about him. It is also where KGB General Oleg Kalugin, who fled to the United States, makes his salary and scares tourists with it during excursions. And in my opinion it’s a good plan - fast, cheap and cheerful!
          1. -1
            30 November 2023 23: 13
            A good and very rational plan. I know that the dust was shaken off from it at the turn of 2014 - 2015.
          2. +6
            1 December 2023 08: 15
            Quote: Vicontas
            The St. Andreas Fault in the United States is struck with a megaton-class warhead. This triggers a process of underground earthquakes, as a result of which HALF of the USA SLIDES INTO THE OCEAN!

            This is so necessary to reconsider science fiction :)))))
            1. +2
              3 December 2023 00: 07
              I don’t recommend everyone to watch REN-TV, otherwise you will also fantasize.
          3. +3
            1 December 2023 18: 34
            Military expert K. Sivkov spoke about him.

            And there was also this “expert” Yablokov, who carried atomic bombs to the United States in a string bag.
            You shouldn't have pictures, boss, you should write books
          4. 0
            7 December 2023 21: 49
            And after this comes a landing of Martians and lunatics led by Darth Vader
      2. +10
        30 November 2023 16: 15
        Quote: Glagol1
        When approaching our shores, even at distant borders, the striped fleet falls into the range of our missiles, coastal, Bal, Bastion, etc., air-based, Tu-22M3, Mig-31K, Su-24M/30/34/35/ 57.

        Namesake, you are very mistaken. in the same North, their aviation will operate outside the boundaries of the BRAV, and their nuclear submarines somehow don’t care about our BRAV.
        Quote: Glagol1
        Tu-22M3

        One regiment for all of Russia. And - as part of the Aerospace Forces, naval tasks were abandoned long ago. Yes, sometimes they fly and depict something, but nothing like the USSR, when the MRA really could, when an air division could be put on alert, sent to another fleet (!) and there it would, in the shortest possible time, strike at an air force identified by reconnaissance... So in those years, we had an air division in each fleet, and not a regiment for the whole country.
        Quote: Glagol1
        Mig-31K

        The dagger is not an anti-ship missile
        Quote: Glagol1
        Sioux 24M

        Old junk, living its last days... if they still exist
        Quote: Glagol1
        30/34/35/57

        We only have Su-30 and MiG-29, an incomplete regiment per fleet... One US Air Force - two reinforced air regiments
        Quote: Glagol1
        MAPL and surface ships will complete the picture.

        In the same North, diesel-electric submarines to Norway are a one-way journey, without a chance. And one and a half Ash trees won’t make a difference there. The surface forces won’t go anywhere at all; it’s a good thing for them to ensure the deployment of submarine forces.
        Quote: Glagol1
        The salvo will contain hundreds of missiles of different types

        Will not be. There is nowhere to shoot, the fleet has no reconnaissance.
        Quote: Glagol1
        And then a lot of striped meat will go to the bottom

        The Russian Navy can still do something. Let’s say, the same Yasen with Zircons, if he manages to be brought to the Norwegian, if he himself, with his GAK, finds the enemy’s AUG, if he is not covered by basic patrol aircraft and nuclear submarines and US surface ships, if... many more if so, then with a strike from hypersonic anti-ship missiles he can really do some serious things. Until the death of AB with one or two escort ships. And this is a serious danger for the United States, from which they will defend themselves in every possible way. But they have many more opportunities to prevent Yasen from reaching their AUG than our sailors have to reach her.
        1. +2
          1 December 2023 14: 01
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Old junk, living its last days... if they still exist

          Su-24M began using aerial bombs with UMPC FAB-500M62.
          1. +2
            1 December 2023 15: 43
            Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
            Su-24M began using aerial bombs with UMPC FAB-500M62.

            I was not sure that they remained part of the Black Sea and Baltic regiments. But it seems there is
      3. -1
        4 December 2023 19: 46
        The Amers fire 1000 axes in one gulp, and no matter how much our air defense has any analogues it will shoot down - 10. Jews shoot down cruise missiles, they shot down at least one.
    3. -4
      30 November 2023 15: 39
      Maybe if he destroys the “fifth column”.
    4. -3
      1 December 2023 13: 56
      Quote: zontov79
      The author wrote a lot of outright nonsense

      Agree ! What does it mean to not lose? Russia will win ! The US has long been a Hollywood superpower. The huge national debt, the decline of the army, the lack of hypersonic missiles, the inability to gain air superiority (Russian air defense and electronic warfare are the strongest in the world) all this, and much more, suggests that it is time to draw a plucked chicken as a symbol of the United States. With "Bush legs". Mr. Mitrofanov apparently does not know that in a fight, it is not the one who is stronger who wins, but the one who has the stronger Faberge. hi
      1. +1
        3 December 2023 15: 06
        There is some asymmetry. For the United States, failure to win will mean loss. It will turn out like Napoleon...
    5. -2
      1 December 2023 18: 03
      Defeatist strategists have significantly downvoted you.
  2. -23
    30 November 2023 04: 41
    The author wrote a lot of outright nonsense about American air supremacy and the like. And in the first days of the war, the Americans will lose more ships than us.
  3. -30
    30 November 2023 04: 44
    The author forgot to mention one very important and effective argument of Rossi. This is the fighting and moral spirit of the Russian war, the one about which the Wehrmacht and many who before them broke their iron fangs. This is the first. And the second point is that we will fight on our land and for our Motherland, and they will be 10 thousand km from home and will fight for their tycoons and politicians. So, regarding the victory of the USA and NATO, the grandmother said something in two.
    1. +10
      30 November 2023 07: 29
      I have no doubt at all about the spirit of our warrior. Only this spirit must be supported technically. Mitrofanov at the end of the article noted about the competition of economies. So our economy - military-industrial complex enterprises will be destroyed first of all. There are not so many of them, these critically important factories for us .
      1. +23
        30 November 2023 08: 36
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        I have no doubt at all about the spirit of our warrior. Only this spirit must be supported technically. Mitrofanov at the end of the article noted about the competition of economies. So our economy - military-industrial complex enterprises will be destroyed first of all. There are not so many of them, these critically important factories for us .

        The Japanese also hoped to defeat the United States due to their military spirit. They pumped up the spirit of this in simply insane quantities, the massive and large-scale use of kamikaze tactics in the air, sea and on land. An extremely fierce struggle for each island and banzai attacks were completely powerless against the iron wall created by the United States. The economy won over morale.
        1. -5
          1 December 2023 14: 01
          Quote: BlackMokona
          The economy won over morale.

          The Germans thought the same thing before the Second World War: industrial Germany would defeat bast Russia. And that's how it happened. And the Russian economy is not in decline, it is the Americans who cannot live without Chinese goods, and the Russian economy is self-sufficient. hi
          1. +2
            1 December 2023 16: 09
            Self-sufficient... less look at the box. And at least take an interest in what “parallel import” is and what its scale is.

            Also, Google the GDP of the Axis and Allies. And how many tanks, planes, etc. released the first and second ones. In a total war, what both world wars were, it is the economy that decides. The morale of the Germans and Japanese was more than fine.
            1. +1
              3 December 2023 20: 13
              Self-sufficient... less look at the box. And at least take an interest in what “parallel import” is and what its scale is.
              And what is wrong ? Food + military-industrial complex we are moving away from imports, not 100% yet, but a shift has begun. The growth of GDP and gold reserves is small but +. There is nothing that cannot be done in the Russian Federation if desired. It means self-sufficient. hi
    2. +2
      30 November 2023 07: 43
      the moral spirit of the Russian warrior, about whom the Wehrmacht broke his iron teeth... you deliberately misspoke or made a mistake, the moral spirit of the Soviet warrior...
      1. +18
        30 November 2023 08: 07
        What does the Wehrmacht have to do with it? The times are different now... And the enemy is different. And our country, alas, is not the Soviet Union. And it is not led by Stalin..
        1. -1
          30 November 2023 13: 00
          look up in the comments to whom I replied
    3. +11
      30 November 2023 11: 41
      And did fighting spirit help a lot in the Crimean, Russian-Japanese, WWII, for example?
      1. -3
        30 November 2023 17: 29
        In all the wars you listed, the then highest
        military-political leadership made serious
        misses. But the military leaders were unable to compensate for them.
        Fighting spirit always helps. It's strange to doubt this.
        1. +2
          30 November 2023 21: 49
          but when (if) the convection war of the united West against the united Russia does happen (for our allies in the CSTO (well, maybe if the father sits still, then “maybe” Belarus will help) will hand us over cheaply) our Gazprom will still supply gas to Europe (liquefied or pipeline_if there are pipes left) and diesel and in ..mercanism titanium..after all, war is war and business should not suffer..what is your positive decision..
        2. 0
          1 December 2023 00: 53
          Oh yes, stupidity and treason at the highest level. If it weren’t for the stab in the back, our most powerful army in the world would have defeated everyone. This has already been said somewhere...
        3. +4
          1 December 2023 13: 02
          Morale helps. But it is not decisive. In all modern wars, economic, technological, industrial superiority is extremely important. We do not have this before our enemies
      2. +1
        1 December 2023 14: 03
        Quote: Kmon
        And did fighting spirit help a lot in the Crimean, Russian-Japanese, WWII, for example?

        Did the American economy help a lot in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan......? hi
        1. +3
          1 December 2023 16: 10
          Korea is a draw, Vietnam and Afghanistan, unlike the above, are not traditional wars but counter-guerrilla wars. It is unrealistic to win these without the complete extermination of the local population (or bribery, but that’s not the case).
          1. -2
            1 December 2023 17: 26
            Quote: Kmon
            Korea is a draw, Vietnam and Afghanistan, unlike the above, are not traditional wars but counter-guerrilla wars.

            Do you think that in the event of a conflict between NATO and the Russian Federation (CSTO), there will be a traditional war? Where will KIM and SI go? The hegemon has offended many countries! And here is a chance to get even. hi
            1. +1
              1 December 2023 20: 16
              Yes. Well, or nuclear. Hardly anyone will partisan for the oligarchs... this is not 1941. And the Germans were not defeated thanks to the partisans, although they certainly helped.

              They won’t go anywhere, because the armies and navies of the Asian anti-Chinese bloc, as well as the army of South Korea, will not disappear anywhere.
    4. +1
      3 December 2023 15: 09
      You got downvoted, but that's how it is. The author generally remained silent about the theater of operations and the nature of the hostilities, about the goals of both countries, about the allies. What kind of conflict analysis is this...
    5. 0
      4 December 2023 19: 48
      Well, with our fighting spirit, we will swim across the ocean and destroy America.
  4. +9
    30 November 2023 04: 48
    Note, not to win, since the Soviet Union would not have been able to defeat the United States in a non-nuclear conflict, and not to lose

    That the USA could defeat the USSR is also somehow very doubtful, to put it mildly.
    1. 0
      30 November 2023 12: 43
      At sea yes, on land no. But there, in any case, the matter came down to a draw due to the huge reserves of nuclear weapons on both sides.
    2. 0
      30 November 2023 13: 13
      Quote: Tagan
      That the USA could defeat the USSR is also somehow very doubtful, to put it mildly.

      Since the author here hints at a medal for the city of Washington, there is no doubt that this was always impossible.
  5. +12
    30 November 2023 04: 52
    In Soviet times, it was considered obvious that during a military conflict, as soon as one side gained an advantage, the other would be forced to use nuclear weapons.

    True, Yeltsin showed in his time that the idiocy of the “elite” is almost boundless, but one would like to hope that those times are in the past.

    Although... Who knows... Back in the Time of Troubles, the Romanovs sat in the Kremlin along with the Poles while Prince Pozharsky took Kitay-Gorod and the Kremlin.
    1. +3
      30 November 2023 06: 31
      Quote: ivan2022
      True, Yeltsin showed in his time that the idiocy of the “elite” is almost boundless, but one would like to hope that those times are in the past.

      He showed a lot of things, but only his successor is fenced off from this by the EBN Center:
      1. +6
        30 November 2023 07: 32

        I don’t want to say anything, but in my opinion there is something in common in the facial expressions.
        1. +10
          30 November 2023 09: 30
          Quote: Alexey 1970
          I don’t want to say anything, but in my opinion there is something in common in the facial expressions.

          Expression of the UO of a person or person with dementia.
          * * *
          How we mocked (without malice or hatred) the aging Leonid Ilyich. So, compared to these, he is a prodigy.
          And he was a man of the kindest soul... But he loved to kiss everyone with or without reason... Maybe he knew a secret?
          1. +6
            30 November 2023 15: 32
            Brezhnev was a normal person, he fought and led the country. And when his health ended, he was not allowed to take a well-deserved rest and... Politburo, one word.
        2. 0
          30 November 2023 15: 29
          Dementia? Or what else? Like 2 acrobat brothers.
    2. +4
      30 November 2023 12: 06
      I would like to hope that those times are in the past.

      I want to, but I can’t.
      The course is the same, the people are the same - why should the times change?
    3. 0
      4 December 2023 19: 50
      And that in Russia the idiocy of the elite has sunk into history
  6. +18
    30 November 2023 04: 58
    During WWII, the population of the USSR largely lived in rural areas, that is, they were autonomous, without centralized heating, sewerage, or electricity. This is a positive factor during war. In cities there was still the possibility of stove heating. Now in Russia the situation has changed dramatically; one cannot count on the enemy’s nobility towards the civilian population in a conventional war. It is necessary to abandon the mass residential development of large cities, and, on the contrary, to increase the autonomy of the population’s life support.
    1. AUL
      +4
      30 November 2023 10: 41
      Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com
      It is necessary to abandon the mass residential development of large cities, and, on the contrary, to increase the autonomy of the population’s life support.

      It is, of course, so... How would you propose to implement this idea?
      1. +6
        30 November 2023 17: 35
        Civil defense is not only and not so much bomb shelters, but also public baths, stationary public toilets, public sources of drinking water, hostels for evacuees and those who lost their homes, public catering facilities, individual heating points for each residential building. In nearby gardens, it is necessary to connect to main gas pipelines and be ready to receive evacuees.
    2. +9
      30 November 2023 12: 07
      Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com
      It is necessary to abandon the mass residential development of large cities, and, on the contrary, to increase the autonomy of the population’s life support.

      But everything happens exactly the opposite. After the power goes out for a long period, after the payment banking systems stop working, quite logical chaos will begin... Meanwhile, the percentage of the urban population is increasing, and the rural population is drying out year after year...
  7. +16
    30 November 2023 05: 09
    In the event of an attack by the United States and NATO countries on our country, the war will most likely take on a positional character.


    A full-scale war with NATO would have little in common with the current Ukrainian conflict. The range, quantity and freedom of use of long-range high-tech weapons among the Armed Forces of Ukraine and NATO forces are incomparable. If a dozen Su-24s modernized for the use of Scalps cause such problems, imagine what two orders of magnitude more power will do.
    1. +10
      30 November 2023 05: 27
      Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
      In the event of an attack by the United States and NATO countries on our country, the war will most likely take on a positional character.


      A full-scale war with NATO would have little in common with the current Ukrainian conflict. The range, quantity and freedom of use of long-range high-tech weapons among the Armed Forces of Ukraine and NATO forces are incomparable. If a dozen Su-24s modernized for the use of Scalps cause such problems, imagine what two orders of magnitude more power will do.

      there will be no full-scale war with NATO and the USA, the Russian Federation simply “cannot take it out”, so the “land” project will be closed by a hellish nuclear strike, most likely mutual. Everyone understands this except Mitrofanov.
      1. +1
        30 November 2023 12: 08
        project "earth" will be closed by a hellish nuclear strike

        With the current “leadership” this is absolutely impossible; this requires individuals of a completely different caliber.
  8. +38
    30 November 2023 05: 28
    Well, when you are at war with a country with practically no aviation and no fleet, you cannot fly further than the LBS, and your fleet, suffering losses, fights off the enemy in its bases, when you have been storming villages near Donetsk for almost two years, and the territory of your country is being shot at like in a shooting gallery, it's time to dream about war with all of NATO. And declare that the Russian ground army is stronger than the US army with all its allies.
    But in general, this is a typical phenomenon for the countries of the third capital world; the worse things are in a country, the weaker it is and the worse the life of its people, the more fantasies for fooled citizens about its unreal greatness and significance in world affairs.
    1. +10
      30 November 2023 07: 04
      The problem here is not whether the Russian Army is stronger or not. And in eccentrics, the letter "M". When asked why the bridges across the Dnieper are not destroyed, the answer is “we are not like that” and “we will have to rebuild these bridges later.” At first glance, this eccentric is an idiot. But in fact, this eccentric is far from an idiot, he just has a house, money, children, mistresses in the west.
      1. AUL
        +6
        30 November 2023 10: 45
        It’s surprising that with such zeal, the author does not consider the option of maintaining a database on enemy territory!
        1. 0
          30 November 2023 12: 11
          I didn’t even know that the Bering Strait Tunnel was already ready!
          There is no other way to transport troops across the puddle.
          1. 0
            3 December 2023 15: 28
            Is the Bering Strait ice-free?
            1. 0
              5 December 2023 09: 21
              I would be freezing, how many would run there
      2. 0
        30 November 2023 12: 59
        Quote: Vladimir M
        The problem here is not whether the Russian Army is stronger or not. And in eccentrics, the letter "M". To the question - why are the bridges across the Dnieper not destroyed?

        the answer is banal and simple - the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are simply not able to do this...
        ps
        If you think you can, please tell me how?
  9. +17
    30 November 2023 06: 06
    The article gives the impression that the author is playing toy soldiers. Another Manilovism. Build a bridge across the pond and set up benches on that bridge.
    1. -3
      30 November 2023 12: 55
      Quote: parusnik
      The article gives the impression that the author is playing toy soldiers. Another Manilovism.

      Actually, what do you disagree with?
      1. +2
        3 December 2023 15: 30
        The author does not reject the possibility of a successful defense of Russia. Such a thought itself is unbearable for admirers of the great USA wink
  10. +1
    30 November 2023 06: 26
    The United States itself is unlikely to participate in the event of a clash with NATO. They will use any European country, as Ukraine is now using. Another thing is that now there are no rules for the arms race, rules for the use of weapons. There is a struggle without rules. And who will set the rules if all diplomats rush to the military field? They turned into political scientists. With such a plot, everything is possible.
  11. +7
    30 November 2023 06: 26
    Can Russia not lose a war with the United States without the use of nuclear weapons?

    Why ask stupid questions?
    The nuclear shield (triad) was created in order to cool the ardor of lovers of world domination.
    Why on earth should we watch how this kagal is going to destroy our country?
    Moreover, the doctrine must directly spell out Russia’s actions in the event of a threat of its destruction.
    And countries that supplied weapons to the Nazi regime should be warned (even with conventional weapons) that such actions are fraught with health risks.
    But there is no need to pretend to be a “strongly powerful” hero, given a semi-developed economy, the dominance of private property, the extinction of the nation and ongoing financial and speculative processes.
    Tea is not bluffing in poker. We open our eyes and look at what is happening at arm's length.
    1. +2
      30 November 2023 12: 14
      The doctrine needs to directly spell out Russia’s actions in the event of a threat of its destruction.

      Everything is well written there: “reserves the right.”
      We have all seen how a copyright holder acts with reserved rights.
  12. +11
    30 November 2023 06: 39
    In the event of an attack by the United States and NATO countries on our country, the war will most likely take on a positional nature
    In this case, the war will not take on a positional character, but will quickly develop into a nuclear one. And there are big doubts that the United States at the head of NATO will attack Russia without a preliminary nuclear strike.
  13. +10
    30 November 2023 07: 36
    Without starting a war, we are already winning.

    I don’t think that, God forbid, a war will start.

    If it starts, then most likely it will be nuclear - as soon as one of the sides feels a greater likelihood of defeat, or even from the first strike.

    If we imagine the picture of “Russia’s war with NATO,” then, I think, NATO will not conduct offensive ground operations and will try not to get involved in battles at close range, since their advantage is in the guns adapted for this.

    NATO can incite our neighbors against Russia from almost all sides, including non-NATO members - when they see that the United States is fighting in earnest, they will very likely want to take part in baiting the bear in its den. You'll have to fight them briefly.

    In such a war, victory will differ little from defeat; it is better not to start.
    1. +8
      30 November 2023 12: 53
      Quote: S.Z.
      In such a war, victory will differ little from defeat; it is better not to start.

      in other words, you think that we have no chance of winning!!!
      ps
      I think so too.
      2 years of SVO is a clear example of our capabilities.
    2. +1
      1 December 2023 17: 44
      Quote: S.Z.


      In such a war, victory will differ little from defeat; it is better not to start.

      It is useless to scare people living in Russia. Russia did not start the war! She finished them. And many people formed their opinion about NATO not by their words, but by their deeds. NATO soldiers are already fighting in Ukraine, can someone tell us about their exploits? Poles, Germans, British, Americans.... and although the Armed Forces of Ukraine resist, I am glad that they are forced to fight using NATO tactics. hi
  14. +16
    30 November 2023 07: 48
    I would like to sort out Ukraine, then draw the rest of the prospects
  15. +4
    30 November 2023 08: 15
    Without the use of nuclear weapons, no, it cannot. Because mattress covers will DEFINITELY use it. That's the way they are, that's the kind of country they have. And we will also have to hit back. All these exercises make no sense at all.
    1. +8
      30 November 2023 08: 39
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Without the use of nuclear weapons, no, it cannot. Because mattress covers will DEFINITELY use it. That's the way they are, that's the kind of country they have. And we will also have to hit back. All these exercises make no sense at all.

      They were not used against Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan.
      1. +1
        3 December 2023 15: 32
        Moreover, they will not use it against Russia!
    2. +9
      30 November 2023 11: 39
      It is precisely to their advantage NOT to use nuclear weapons in a conflict with Russia. Because a non-nuclear conflict is a guaranteed victory.
      1. +2
        1 December 2023 17: 51
        Quote: Kmon
        Because a non-nuclear conflict is a guaranteed victory.

        Let them listen to what Putin says. If Russia loses, it will be the first to use nuclear weapons. Why do we need this world if there is no Russia in it? The Supreme Commander-in-Chief said it! And the words of the song come to mind: There is no need to frighten us, there is no need to boast arrogantly. There is no need to threaten us and play with fire again! And if the enemy dares to test our strength, we will FOREVER wean him from testing. hi
        1. Alf
          +2
          1 December 2023 18: 57
          Quote: fif21
          And the words of the song come to mind: There is no need to frighten us, there is no need to boast arrogantly. There is no need to threaten us and play with fire again! And if the enemy dares to test our strength, we will FOREVER wean him from testing

          This is a song from another era, another country, another people, another leader and another ideology.
        2. 0
          3 December 2023 15: 33
          You confused the use of tactical nuclear weapons and strategic nuclear weapons.
  16. +7
    30 November 2023 08: 31
    From the first lines of the article (not reading, but skimming to the end), I already assumed who the author of this “literary opus” was. Never made a mistake. You can feel the "author's style". Everything is logical
    We need different people
    Different people are important.
    Kids and Uncle Styopa,
    And poets are klutzes.
  17. -3
    30 November 2023 08: 46
    if in the first minutes of the conflict you sweep everything out of space orbits, then Russia will be able to resist the West
  18. +18
    30 November 2023 09: 26
    "Mitrofanishchina", please excuse me. If at the beginning one can agree with the Author about the fleet, then later it becomes a level of fantasy and not scientific at that. If 3 missiles that arrived at the Black Sea Fleet headquarters “overloaded the air defense,” as many wrote here in the comments, then what will happen when at least 100 missiles that the SGA has or more fly. And yet we now have secret military airfields that the Americans don’t know about? And then, as practice has shown, to strike at an airfield, strategists are even in a state of depression with their “low” morale, etc. And in the land component, the Author believes that the SGA will fight with us just like we and the Khkhlovs, here you can shoot/bomb, but not here? And yet, they will still have more drones and other high-mars, which still hit further than ours.
    1. +15
      30 November 2023 09: 59
      that the SGA will fight with us
      Oh, and they won’t waste gunpowder on this matter, especially nuclear ones. Russia is a weak link in the capitalist chain. It’s enough to blow it up from the inside, after the laws that the Duma passed. Our government is digging a hole for itself. If only because he considers some to be traitors, others he doesn’t consider, he arrived, the traitor threw himself at his feet, like Usmanov, they forgave him. Why write fairy tales? On the topic: “If tomorrow there is a war, if the enemy attacks, if dark forces come..”
  19. +3
    30 November 2023 10: 03
    Eh, I went to the hardware store to buy myself a shovel and reserve a place in the graveyard, where the land is softer.
    1. +10
      30 November 2023 10: 47
      went to the hardware store to buy myself a shovel
      Chinese, probably... smile
      1. +5
        30 November 2023 10: 55
        Chinese, probably.. smile

        I had one, it was so beautiful, shiny, I dug it once and got the letter G.
        1. +6
          30 November 2023 12: 20
          so beautiful, so shiny
          Not everything is a shovel, what is beautiful and glitters laughing It turned out that it was not a shovel, but the letter g. smile
  20. +2
    30 November 2023 10: 26
    A strange statement about the distance of the United States from us. The minimum distance between the USA and Russia is the Bering Strait. Its width is about 90 km and its length is about 83 km. Thus, there are only 88 kilometers between Russia and the United States, that is, the distance between the Ratmanov and Kruzenshtern islands, the most famous of all international borders.
    1. +1
      3 December 2023 15: 36
      These islands are in the middle of the strait. And the distance between them is only 4 km. The USA and Russia are neighbors.
  21. +7
    30 November 2023 11: 37
    No, he can not. There is no point in comparing here. They will kill you from the air; they have long worked out the tactics of suppressing air defense.
  22. +11
    30 November 2023 12: 10
    We will most likely lose a war without the use of nuclear weapons and with huge casualties. And this will become possible if our sluggish leadership does not have the will to fully respond with nuclear weapons. And the 2008 war has already shown that the leadership has little willpower. Let's remember - LADIES, and behind him the GDP, stopped the offensive, did not take Tbilisi, did not catch and try Saakashvili and his accomplices, did not establish a military administration in Georgia, forgave the murders of peacekeepers and residents of South Ossetia... Then they abstained from voting in the Security Council UN on Libya - there is LADIES again (and who is behind him!). Then for 8 years they endured the killings of Donetsk residents and the mockery of Russian-speaking people in dill - the current guarantor explained that he was “deceived”! For 8 years it was not clear to him what was going on there, and before that neither the ambassadors (those Zurabovs, Chernomyrdins...) nor the intelligence service saw anything, they pleased dill with discounts on gas, and not only that, for more than 200 billion dollars (it seems that's what the current guarantor said). The SVO began and immediately, after the first stupid defeats, and still, there are hopes for an agreement... So, the question is very unpleasant - is there a will at the top? There is still an outflow of funds overseas. Finally, one of EBN’s accomplices, the privatizer Chubais, faded away, despite holding the most important positions for so many years. How many of them are there in power? Haven't escaped yet. EBN memory centers are also puzzling - well, they cannot be built and function without the permission of the guarantor! It seems that the desires of our elite are only about agreements... And I doubt that the guarantor will have enough will to press the button. The author of the article mentioned vertical take-off aircraft - yes, this is important! But it is even more important to revive the entire line of medium-range missiles - up to 6000-7000-8000 km. So that not only the whole of Europe would be at gunpoint, but also the territory of the United States would be covered by missiles from complexes located in the east of the country - Sakhalin, Kamchatka, Khabarovsk Territory... And this would be a good addition to the existing mine complexes...
  23. -17
    30 November 2023 12: 15
    The author of the article loves the USA very much. At the same time, without knowing anything about them.
    The United States is unable to wage any full-scale war due to the pathological cowardice of the Americans.
    The Americans are ready to stay at the base in Germany - it’s warm, light and the flies don’t bite. But there is no way they can fight against the Taliban in Afghanistan. Due to the loss in Afghanistan, the United States was forced to switch from high-quality Afghan heroin to synthetic American heroin. More than 100 thousand Americans die every year from an overdose of synthetics. There are more than 10 million drug addicts in the United States.
    In the United States there is a pathological shortage of personnel in all branches of the military.
    When an American destroyer came under electronic attack in the Black Sea, 38 crew members (out of just over 100 people) deserted at the nearest Romanian port.
    In any attack on Americans in which 5% of the personnel are killed, ALL American military personnel will desert together.
    1. -6
      30 November 2023 12: 32
      One thing can be said, gendarmes cannot wage a full-fledged war, but only perform police functions, which is what the United States does.
    2. +18
      30 November 2023 12: 40
      Yes Yes. The Japanese were also sure that the cowardly amers would immediately flee because they did not have the samurai spirit and could not stand losses. You just need to hit it well. They hit me. Oops... It turned out that the Americans are not going to give up, and that the samurai spirit does not work against developed industry.

      By the way, can you remind me in which battles the Afghans defeated the Americans? They didn’t sit out too long, but rather won.

      And in general, an adult, you believe in Donald Cook and other fairy tales.
    3. +13
      30 November 2023 13: 23
      Quote: Egor53
      The United States is unable to wage any full-scale war due to the pathological cowardice of the Americans.

      Discussions about the pathological cowardice of Americans have already been found among a variety of political thinkers. Mostly dead.
  24. +3
    30 November 2023 12: 47
    In other words, in the US war against the Russian Federation, the Northern Military District scenario will be repeated, only the Russian Federation will be instead of Ukraine...
  25. -1
    30 November 2023 12: 52
    Like this
    Can Russia not lose a war with the United States without the use of nuclear weapons?
    the question cannot arise at all. A war with the United States is already an existential threat, so immediately with the outbreak of the conflict, their bases in Europe, Asia and the Middle East will be destroyed by tactical nuclear weapons. Because we simply have no choice; doing all this with conventional weapons is too costly and time-consuming. By the way, they understand this and that is why they do not want to contact us directly, only through someone else’s hands.
  26. +4
    30 November 2023 13: 03
    Since the 1970s. The United States was seriously preparing for a non-nuclear war with the USSR. The emphasis was on strategic defense and a gradual strategic change through a more powerful industry, which would be transferred to a military footing.
    As of 1980, the population of NATO countries (without Turkey) was 1.5 times greater than the population of the Warsaw Wars countries.
    The percentage of military spending in GDP in the USA was 1.5 times less than in the USSR, which made it possible for their economy to develop faster.

    Khrushchev had a similar approach to the development of the country, who planned to reduce the army to the size of the American one (he was not allowed to carry out the reform completely) and direct the saved material and human resources to the national economy.
    It is customary for army men to criticize Khrushchev. But time showed that he was right - the war did not happen, and tens of millions of Soviet citizens moved from barracks and communal apartments to small apartments.
    The country needs an army, it guarantees security, but too large an army is almost as destructive for the economy as war.
  27. +17
    30 November 2023 13: 07
    What optimism. Compare the GDP of NATO countries and Russia and you will understand everything. And, of course, they won’t fight on land. If they are sure that the Kremlin elders will not dare to use nuclear weapons, they will smash all the ports into dust and launch massive air strikes - without particularly aiming, as they did against Dresden in World War II. If it were not for the nuclear weapons created by the slandered Stalin and Beria, Russia would have been attacked from all sides long ago.
    1. -7
      30 November 2023 13: 21
      Quote: vet
      If not for the nuclear weapons created by the slandered Stalin and Beria,

      You will be very surprised, but none of these people were physicists. One was a humanities scholar who wrote something about linguistics, the other was an Azerbaijani spy.
      1. +8
        30 November 2023 16: 43
        You will be very surprised, but none of these people were physicists. One was a humanities scholar who wrote something about linguistics, the other was an Azerbaijani spy.

        Yeah, but modern liberals and democrats look like complete imbeciles compared to them...
        Moreover, with progressive dysfunction, just like their support group
  28. BAI
    +7
    30 November 2023 13: 09
    At the moment, the defense doctrine of the Russian Federation clearly states that the use of nuclear weapons by our country is possible only in response to the use of such weapons by the enemy, when the enemy strikes critical infrastructure facilities

    I don't care about doctrine. According to it, we already had to respond with nuclear weapons 3 (THREE) times: 2 attacks on airfields of nuclear weapons carriers with damage to aircraft (+ 1 without damage) and an attack on the President’s residence = on the President. And what? Nothing!
    Now imagine what would happen if a UAV hit the White House.
    By the way, a nuclear response according to the doctrine does not require a nuclear strike on the specified targets. Here the author slightly misrepresented.
    The West is becoming more and more convinced that Russia WILL be AFRAID of using nuclear weapons. And this is equivalent to the fact that there are no nuclear weapons. With all the ensuing consequences. Liz Trust got a lot of flack about her stupidity, but no one doubted that she would press the nuclear button.
    With our comments: such a fool will press the button. But our smart guys won’t push.
    1. -1
      30 November 2023 20: 20
      Quote: BAI
      2 attacks on airfields of nuclear weapons carriers with damage to aircraft

      When the United States bombed Hanoi with nuclear weapons carriers (B-52s), they did not complain that the Vietnamese were “damaging the planes.” And when the Tu-95 launches missiles at Ukrainian transformer boxes, the carriers are of the “in the house” type.
  29. +2
    30 November 2023 13: 30
    We have little aviation and little air defense. Arestovich once said that NATO countries can send more than 2000 aircraft to Russia
    These are planes, not counting the long-range weapons; now is the time to build bomb shelters for military units
    America is essentially already the sponsor of this war, that is, the main customer
    For America, war is primarily business and money. They start wars so that their corporations make money. They will continue to look for victims, Armenia is next in line
    Russia’s path lies through its self-development, if our state wants to go a different way, it must pour a lot of money into the economy
    Medvedev now speaks most of all, but under him the reductions in the army began.
    If we compare the USSR during the war years, the country developed seriously there
    1. +1
      30 November 2023 13: 36
      We have the most air defense in the world, 70 divisions of S-400 alone. They are just about zero use.
      1. +1
        4 December 2023 09: 18
        ahem... do you think the S-400 should plow the land? or trade in Chinese textiles in transit and thereby bring big benefits to the economy? You have about a kilogram, but “the sense is about zero”
  30. +10
    30 November 2023 13: 32
    If NATO had closely followed the performances of D.A.M., they would have given up long ago. All. Straightaway.
  31. +13
    30 November 2023 13: 35
    We will not find ourselves in the place of Ukraine in the event of such a war. The US Air Force has the means and tactics to break through air defenses. This is not the Russian Federation where radio intelligence has only one Tu-214R. All these S-400s and others will be quickly destroyed, simply because these are super-powerful radars that will be quickly found. And then the US Air Force will take over the air and simply destroy all the rear and logistics.
  32. +2
    30 November 2023 13: 38
    All command-and-control weapons and war games held from the 80s of the last century to the present day show the use of tactical nuclear weapons first, and then strategic nuclear weapons.
  33. +1
    30 November 2023 13: 44
    Can Russia not lose a war with the United States without the use of nuclear weapons?

    Russia will have to fight not only with the United States but also with the entire NATO. They will be able to confront without nuclear weapons with more support and participation of their allies China, North Korea, and Iran.
    Without them, tactical nuclear weapons will have to be used first against US and NATO aircraft and navies.
  34. +14
    30 November 2023 13: 51
    The scope of the ruble - the blow was more modest. This is a case where it could have been expanded in more detail, because the issue related to the dominance of the US fleet in relation to amphibious operations in the Pacific theater of operations was not addressed, the topic of NATO was stupidly ignored, while NATO, of course, will support the United States in such a conflict. The author very briefly touched on the topic of the stability of our industrial base in a conventional conflict and the key issues in relation to this - namely, the achievability by American means (conv.) of hitting objects key to our stability in the war. As far as I understand, the author does not at all consider the issue of retaliatory “removal” of the enemy’s key infrastructure by our means - we can at least outline an approximate range of means beyond everyone’s favorite #NUCLEAR WEAPONS, with which we can even theoretically get at least the key on US territory as much as possible. something massively.
    As for combat operations on land, US ground forces, even reinforced by the armed forces of NATO countries, are still inferior to the Ground Forces of the Russian Armed Forces

    This thesis seemed stupid to me - firstly, because the US + NATO armed forces are huge, professional and trained. Secondly, because, unlike us (the defending side is forced to disperse its forces to a greater extent), the front that will need to be effectively “defended” by the US+NATO with ground forces is several times smaller, which automatically frees up a larger number of them for offensive operations. Since the logistics and mobility capabilities of the United States are high, the ability to create an overwhelming local superiority in manpower will always be on their side. This is what their complex was designed for. Finally, I will note that even in the current conflict we, in fact, have practically a “peacetime army”, if you do not take into account the 350k mobs - even now our armed forces in a conflict of low-medium intensity and insignificant (relative to how it could be ) enemy influences on our infrastructure - we have big problems equipping our forces with modern devices and means of protection. I do not remember that the US or NATO armies were actively supplied by volunteers in any conflicts in recent years. So here, too, a big dog may be buried - our armed forces will be nominally large, but the degree of their readiness for a large-scale conflict and the transition to a “wartime army” may turn out to be much lower than that of NATO + the USA.

    I note that for any serious comparison it is necessary to roughly compare economic and industrial capacities as well. Considering that the prom. The US base is much larger than ours and relies on a larger demographic (2.5 times, by the way), as well as the fact that we are in the ring of US bases and not vice versa - our impact on critical US infrastructure will inevitably be much weaker than theirs.
    In such conditions, while maintaining its industrial bases and the ability to trade relatively calmly across the Atlantic - their strategy can simply focus our strategic production and facilities with massive WTO influences. And it will be much easier for them than to protect it all for us.

    So, in view of this, I will finally challenge and
    A widespread misconception is the idea that any clash between the United States and Russia is guaranteed to lead to an exchange of nuclear strikes and the destruction of humanity. In this case, both the first and second assumptions are erroneous.

    Yes, of course, humanity will survive here in general I agree, but in the thesis that a major conflict between the United States and the Russian Federation can be nuclear-free, no, it cannot. Their set of means makes it possible to bomb us into the level of the 1940s quite calmly, first overloading our missile defense system and then successively knocking out the key objects for its supply. Then they will repeat this “until the result”, tying us up with positional battles on the LBS and conducting a chain of local landing operations to capture and destroy.
    What can we do against this without nuclear weapons? Their geography will allow them to trade and move much more calmly in war - and how much will ours allow? Well, let's say Iran, let's say China, well, Central Asia - that's all with whom we can trade by land and sea in the event of a conflict. If it dragged on for any length of time, it would turn our economy into dust, but for their economy this is true, it would be strained. No more.
    In general, I do not share any optimism in such designs.
    1. +10
      30 November 2023 14: 07
      When a comment is better than an article, I applaud and take my hat off. good hi
  35. +4
    30 November 2023 13: 56
    Quote: Lawrence_NaVasNo
    Quote: S.Z.
    In such a war, victory will differ little from defeat; it is better not to start.

    in other words, you think that we have no chance of winning!!!
    ps
    I think so too.
    2 years of SVO is a clear example of our capabilities.


    NATO will strike the infrastructure, which will be severely destroyed. Sooner or later some kind of agreement will be signed, but the infrastructure will already be destroyed.

    In addition, those hostile forces that will awaken during the conflict - evil neighbors, the “fifth column”, etc. - will continue to apply after the political agreement.

    Therefore, the civilian population will not make much difference from the text of the agreement itself - they will have other concerns.


  36. +6
    30 November 2023 14: 03
    We have everything in the open air, even airplanes are not protected. Enterprises may also be destroyed. We won't last long.
  37. +5
    30 November 2023 14: 16
    A somewhat reasonable article on this topic. Even surprising.

    Fleet - stories about bases mean nothing. They just forgot.
    Aviation - the author greatly underestimates its capabilities. No, the Russian Federation has never encountered aviation, which is many times larger in number than the Russian Aerospace Forces, which has been preparing to break through air defenses for decades. No, it’s unlikely to look like SVO.

    Ground forces - what kind of conflict scenario is being considered?

    Can the United States destroy in any isolated theater of war (Syria, Kaliningrad region, Kamchatka, Primorye, Kola Peninsula) any detachment of forces that the Russian Federation can form? Yes. Will they be able to win any border battle? Yes. Will they be able to control the entire territory of the Russian Federation? No, relatively small colonial forces are not intended for this. However, if the Americans feel the urge, it becomes easier every year to recruit those willing to join the Einsatzgruppen. And not necessarily from Americans.
  38. +4
    30 November 2023 14: 42
    Discussion of the properties of a spherical horse in a vacuum.
    So we can discuss that now we are going to hit such an EMP that the entire planet will lose electricity. And then half a billion Chinese karatekas and 50 million Russian men will clean the snouts of all these cutesy Gay Europeans and others.

    In a situation of an inevitable direct attack by NATO forces against the Russian Federation, there is no other option other than the immediate, or better yet, preventive use of all types of nuclear weapons against the enemy. And then we will go to heaven, and they will simply die. Russia, in principle, cannot resist NATO in a non-nuclear war. The USSR, taking into account the buffer territories in the form of ATS countries, certainly could. But it’s also unlikely that he would.
    1. +4
      30 November 2023 18: 00
      After releasing a “powerful” EMP onto the entire planet, it may turn out that half a billion Chinese karatekas will want to clean the faces not of Europeans, but of dear Russians, for destroying China’s prospects for world domination. Continue to dream dreams after power, throw EMPs, Poseidons and throw energetic loaves.
  39. +6
    30 November 2023 14: 54
    Quote: RondelR
    We will not find ourselves in the place of Ukraine in the event of such a war. The US Air Force has the means and tactics to break through air defenses. This is not the Russian Federation where radio intelligence has only one Tu-214R. All these S-400s and others will be quickly destroyed, simply because these are super-powerful radars that will be quickly found. And then the US Air Force will take over the air and simply destroy all the rear and logistics.


    It's right.
    The US has a huge advantage in aviation. In terms of combat aircraft, it is 3 times higher (3700 versus 1250), this does not seem to be critical (before the Northern Military District, Russia was 8 times superior to the Ukrainian Armed Forces in aviation), but in terms of the number of high-precision weapons, the gap is colossal.
    Now Russia has a stock of air-to-air missiles, everything else goes from factories directly to combat units.
    The USA for the 2000s. produced only bombs:
    -550 thousand adjustable JDAM bombs, production rate at present. 2020s: 39 thousand per year. In recent years, JDAMs have been massively equipped with wings, converting them into JDAM-ER.
    -24 thousand GBU-39 gliding bombs
    -12 thousand gliding bombs with guidance on a moving target GBU-53

    Russia began to mass-produce KABs based on the JDAM-ER model only from the beginning of the Northern Military District; there are no analogues of gliding bombs in service.
    Our brilliant generals purchased large quantities of aircraft: they were good for parades, but they forgot about their armament.
    And this happens not only with airplanes - according to open data, as of today. 2022, for 1 HIMARS/ M270, the USA had 10 sets of high-precision missiles, Russia for 1 Iskander: 3 sets.
  40. +2
    30 November 2023 16: 34
    This is no longer cheers for patriotism, this is already idiocy...
    I don’t understand, this is such a subtle hint that the Russian Federation should abandon nuclear weapons? Well, take a bite, author
  41. -2
    30 November 2023 17: 12
    It is unlikely that the scenario suggested by the author of the article will be realized. In principle, no other war, other than a nuclear one, will happen between Russia and NATO. Of course, the beginning may be with the use of conventional weapons, but almost immediately Russia will be forced to use tactical nuclear weapons, if only in order not to almost instantly lose the Kaliningrad fortified area or grouping in Belarus. Despite the overwhelming advantage of the same NATO Navy over the Russian fleet, it will not be possible to bring your entire fleet into a combat position, so to speak, to concentrate forces unnoticed, the armadas still need to get closer to the attack lines, and this period, the so-called threatened period, will certainly be used by the Russian Defense Ministry for commands and dispersal actions of both air and naval forces. Almost everyone who can will go on combat duty. NATO will feel a counter-threat, for example, in the Arctic, through the North Pole, boats with Poseidons will go on a campaign, one or two will be enough to inflict damage on the States that exceeds the entire superior potential of their fleet and aviation. Iskanders will be converted to missiles with special charges. Inspector satellites and lasers will aim to blind the NATO satellite constellation, the stock market will collapse, that is, at the time of the first salvo, a lot of things will happen on our side and in the world, which will most likely cancel the decision to engage Russia non-nuclearly.
  42. -5
    30 November 2023 19: 20
    The author doesn’t seem to care that the president says: “there won’t be any tank wedges.” The question is: will he have the courage to create the Mexico-Canada Strait? Would you have the courage to start an SVO? And he had enough. Do you remember how he asked the security forces in front of the camera if they agreed? And some of them had a trembling voice. This is a very difficult decision. But he made it clear to everyone that he was ready to accept it.
    1. +5
      30 November 2023 20: 41
      This is a very difficult decision. But he made it clear to everyone that he was ready to accept it.
      So, are you satisfied with this decision?!
    2. 0
      1 December 2023 09: 19
      Quote: Igor_Lvovich
      And he had enough. Do you remember how he asked the security forces in front of the camera if they agreed? And some of them had a trembling voice

      The allusion, apparently, is to Comrade Naryshkin, the head of the SVR.

      Well, he can also be understood. Imagine you are the director of a country's foreign intelligence service. And then suddenly you find out:
      1. The permanent commander-in-chief decided to stop maneuvering between big uncles (which has always been the only way to survive and even prosper for small countries), quarrel to death with two of the three uncles, and surrender to slavery to the communists. For those who have forgotten, let me remind you that communists are not even close to being kind grandfathers.
      2. With the same dashing geopolitical twist, create a situation where the arrival of American cruise missiles in Moscow within a year has moved from the “unthinkable” category to the “how long can we wait?” category. For young people, this is Grandpa Joe, a comedic character, an American late Yeltsin. Older people remember what kind of guy he was (as, by the way, does Yeltsin). This is a bloody monster. Unlike the good-natured Trump, Joe is a deceitful, cruel, absolutely unprincipled person, so to speak, the gold standard of American politics.

      Patriots say all sorts of things about Gorbachev and Yeltsin, but officially the era of spies from all the world's intelligence services in the country's leadership ended with L.P. Beria. And here it is.
  43. -3
    30 November 2023 19: 53
    I don’t understand why the author concluded that even the Soviet Union could not win against the United States?
    In fact, the Soviet army and the Warsaw Pact bloc were created precisely to defeat the United States together with NATO countries.
    1. +2
      1 December 2023 00: 55
      No, they were created for protection and as a buffer from NATO, respectively. No one was eager to go to the English Channel under nuclear strikes; everyone understood that there would be no winners.
  44. +5
    30 November 2023 19: 54
    Author: “As for combat operations on land, US ground forces, even reinforced by the armed forces of NATO countries, are still inferior to the Ground Forces of the Russian Armed Forces.”
    Strange passage! It is enough to compare the population of the USA, Canada, Europe - 340, 40, 835 million, and Russia and Belarus - 145 and 10. That is, 1 billion 215 million versus 155 million. Our chances are illusory and can only be equalized by nuclear weapons. and, it would be nice not to wait for someone to hit you - and if there is an obvious threat, you just need to hit first!
  45. +4
    30 November 2023 20: 23
    The article contains separate reasonable reasoning, but a significant part of it and its conclusions do not stand up to criticism. The war will not take on a positional character and there will be no competition between economies...
  46. +7
    30 November 2023 20: 33
    There are a lot of letters, we now see the attitude of the authorities towards the Northern Military District, a third of the country is at war, giving the last to the front, and for the remaining part, and not the poorest, there is no war, serve them all sorts of goodies on holidays. The authorities only show their support for the SVO on camera and on paper. Conclusion. if a war starts with NATO, the part for which it is not a war now, they will betray our country and start licking NATO’s ass, which means we will lose. You can minus it.
  47. -3
    30 November 2023 20: 58
    To be drawn into a military confrontation with NATO in the format as described by the author, i.e. classical war is pointless and unproductive, because The military potentials of our opponents are incomparable and not in our favor. A threat to the existence of the country may arise relatively quickly, therefore, in the event of the outbreak of full-scale military action, our use of nuclear weapons must be immediate, which is in accordance with the doctrine.
    The second point is what to call victory.. In a certain situation, the only and unique criterion for victory is the death of the enemy, without taking into account any other circumstances. And the more the enemy views his victory as the obligatory preservation of his own life, the more urgent is the complete destruction of the enemy. Only the side that is ready to give their lives will be able to win, and only in this case will there be at least a small chance of staying alive and saving the country.
    It is absolutely right that we do not need a WORLD without Russia.
    1. +6
      30 November 2023 21: 07
      In the event of the outbreak of full-scale hostilities, our use of nuclear weapons must be immediate, which is in accordance with the doctrine.
      I doubt that our leadership has the courage to do this.
  48. -5
    30 November 2023 22: 13
    It seems that after the loss of the first ten thousand killed, the aggression of the US Armed Forces will stop. Do they need it? They have enough problems on the continent, and it will get even worse. And the conflict’s escalation into a nuclear one is almost inevitable. They won't do this
  49. +2
    1 December 2023 07: 24
    Quote from Drug67
    a third of the country is at war, sending the last to the front,


    Much, much less than a third fight, and as for the latter being sent to the front, even less than fight.
  50. AB
    -1
    1 December 2023 09: 44
    The use of AO is already a defeat, in fact.
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  52. 0
    1 December 2023 13: 22
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    What can we do against this without nuclear weapons? Their geography will allow them to trade and move much more calmly in war - and how much will ours allow? Well, let's say Iran, let's say China, well, Central Asia - that's all with whom we can trade by land and sea in the event of a conflict. If it dragged on for any length of time, it would turn our economy into dust, but for their economy this is true, it would be strained. No more.

    This is too pessimistic an assessment.
    1. “Their geography” is no better. Europe, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, the Persian Gulf and so on are excellent targets for cheap, small-radius strikers. Their economy can be turned to dust and then with whom will they (the USA) trade? From Canada, Australia and Latin America?
    Apart from China and Iran, Russia has no plans to participate in the war against Russia, including India, Pakistan, Iraq, and very likely Turkey.
    2. If Russia has allies in Latin America (which is very likely), they will be able to turn the US industry itself into dust with a cheap WTO. Moreover, the vulnerability (concentration) of the American economy and its protection (air defense and missile defense) are worse than those of Russia, China and the DPRK.
    3. The remoteness of the United States, many thousands of kilometers from theaters of combat, also makes it very difficult for them to participate in battles without any impact on sea communications and ports, and even more so if there is such an impact.
    Nuclear weapons will only be needed if Russia is on its own, without allies, against the US-NATO coalition.
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  54. 0
    1 December 2023 18: 27
    The author wrote a lot of all kinds of “Mitrofanism”. He did not write only one thing: what goals this war will pursue. Or as Porthos said:
  55. +1
    1 December 2023 18: 34
    with existential a threat to yourself existence Russia.

    - tautology))
  56. -2
    1 December 2023 20: 13
    The conclusions in the article are certainly correct, but such a situation will never arise. There will never be a conventional (without nuclear weapons) war between Russia and NATO. Otherwise it would have happened a long time ago.
  57. 0
    1 December 2023 23: 03
    If out of 50 "Petrels" 20 reach their targets, their power supply will be over. Moreover, they themselves modeled such a situation. And here no one will understand whether it is a nuclear power plant or a thermal power plant. Their energy consumption is the highest in the world.
  58. -1
    2 December 2023 19: 26
    The author just woke up, the war is already underway! And the kind of war that the author writes about will not happen at all, simply because NATO is not ready to suffer losses like Ukraine, the fact that Ukraine operates according to NATO standards and these standards have been a complete fiasco is no secret to anyone. It’s not like chasing the Taliban through the mountains, although that somehow didn’t work out.
  59. +1
    3 December 2023 00: 03
    This was written by a child of 14 years old or 12 and no more, some kind of hypothetical horse in a vacuum.
  60. 0
    3 December 2023 13: 31
    the plan to attack Saint Andreas was ready in 1973)
  61. -3
    3 December 2023 16: 52
    I think that the West will be defeated in a non-nuclear war with Russia, which is obvious. The author of the article writes that in such a war the Russian fleet will be quickly destroyed and refers to the era of the USSR, but now is a different time. “Daggers” give Russia an undeniable advantage over the US surface fleet. Everything that is within the reach of our “daggers” will be drowned and nothing will save the Americans, because there is no antidote to the “daggers” and there won’t be for a long time. The only way out: to hide somewhere in a crevice away from the bearers of our “daggers”. As for the submarine fleet, here our forces are in no way inferior to the American ones: on both sides there are a little over 50 submarines with cruise missiles. But. We have diesel submarines that are almost impossible to detect by anti-aircraft defense, but the West does not have them, which gives us a significant advantage.
    As for aviation, our air defense systems will provide us with air supremacy over our territory (the author is right here), but also over a significant part of the territory of Europe (with the ranges of the S-400 and S-500, this is quite realistic). - Not a single Western aircraft will enter the skies over Poland, the Baltic states, Finland, eastern Germany, the Czech Republic, without our permission, so our aviation will bludgeon NATO ground forces with almost impunity (as in Ukraine), especially since the West has seriously weakened its and already frail air defense, supplies of air defense systems to Ukraine ("Iris", NASAM, "Patriot", "Gepard", etc.).
    Our ground troops are much stronger, here I agree with the author, especially since they will be in obviously favorable conditions.
    And we will win the economic confrontation with the West outright. The West has nothing to oppose to our Daggers and Iskanders: we will destroy warehouses, control centers, power plants (including nuclear ones), military factories, regasification terminals, ports, and block the supply of fuel and raw materials, food, and fertilizers. We will drive Europeans into the Stone Age, Europe will plunge not only into cold (as during the great glaciation), but also into hunger, and in a significant part of Europe it will simply be impossible to live... The problems of the USA will be more or less similar. .
    Of course, the Americans will be able to interfere with the supply of our energy resources by sea: we will supply them by land (to China, for example). So everything is OK with us.
  62. +2
    4 December 2023 15: 08
    Author, why fight with the USA without using nuclear weapons????
    In the event of a conflict, the question should not be about causing Damage to the USA, but about DESTROYING the USA as a state. About the DESTRUCTION of the Anglo-Saxons as a species of Humanity.
    And then all your speculations and reasoning are leveled out.
    One word - DESTRUCTION.
    And the Enemy must always remember this.
    And that is precisely what nuclear weapons are for!!!!!
  63. 0
    5 December 2023 01: 56
    The military situation can be improved
    Development of a million cements: partly reusable, partly disposable.
    Part with anti-aircraft, ship and ground missiles.
    Also the development of armored vehicles
    which are not large with anti-aircraft missiles, armored vehicles, ships, etc., many small tactical vehicles with anti-tank weapons that will hunt down enemy armored vehicles.
    Lots of small ships with anti-ship missiles that will deliver a strong fire strike.
    Lots of stray air missiles to look for.
    The target is in the air of the aircraft and will be attacked.
    Lots of missiles of all types and the more the better.
    Development of ultra-long-range guns. Development of long-range bombs carried on a glider.
    You shot down all the military planes.
    Windshield of all existing cars
    in warehouses or out of service.
    Adding missile batteries to each ship
    against ships, planes or land.
    Equipping artillery batteries against ships that find themselves off the coast.
    Modern protection for all fabrics.
    Lots of self-driving SUVs.
    Development of air missiles over vast distances.
    Increase the army to two million.
    Repair of all battleships and submarines.