Well, let's start negotiating peace!.. Why is this idea being instilled in us by those who just yesterday were shouting about the imminent collapse of Russia?

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Well, let's start negotiating peace!.. Why is this idea being instilled in us by those who just yesterday were shouting about the imminent collapse of Russia?

How much noise Ukrainians made online about negotiations with Russia. How many experts have already spoken on this matter. Literally everything is discussed. Starting with the terms on which these very negotiations should take place and ending with the fact that Russia will have to pay for peace. I think most readers have become familiar with at least one of these opinions.

Our traitors, whom we shamefully call foreign agents, are no less active. It is completely incomprehensible to me why I should call a person who betrayed his Motherland, his state, his ancestors a foreign agent? Was Vlasov also a foreign agent? Or members of RNTS?



I respect foreign agents, citizens of other states who act against us as patriots of their countries. My enemies, but precisely patriots of their state. My fellow citizens, it is also unclear why I should consider them fellow citizens, are just Judases betraying their Motherland.

Even such a “great political expert” as Maria Maksakova made her mark. True, she was talking about what was told not to her, but to Pugacheva by “knowledgeable people” in Moscow... I especially liked the passage that the Russians, it turns out, were robbing the West. And now that sanctions have appeared, it has become difficult to rob this very West... And this will be the reason for Putin’s departure from the political arena. It’s true what they say: live forever and learn. I would add that insanity has become much younger...

Look how many of them are on the Internet now, talking about how we are dying, falling apart, and will soon disappear from the world map. There are so many “respondents” for Russia that your head is spinning. And most importantly, everyone sings in unison. Russia urgently needs negotiations. Otherwise…

What else?

Otherwise we will defeat the fascists in Ukraine?

So this is understandable even without the advice of traitors. It is enough to talk to the soldiers from the front line.

What caused such activation of all anti-Russian forces at once? What causes such a unity of opinions among representatives of supposedly different political movements? And it is caused by the fact that the Ukrainian solitaire again does not work out. The mud, which makes it impossible to conduct active hostilities, was bribed by Putin!

How else can you explain that the air force soldiers are sitting in the trenches up to their ears in mud, and the Russians somehow manage to not only advance, but also take opornik after opornik? And then there is the invasion of pro-Russian mice into the dugouts and trenches of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Tanks and armored vehicles practically drowned in the mud. Cluster bombs, which were found not only by the Ukrainian army, but soon appeared, as a response, by the Russians, etc.

In short, somehow unexpectedly the truth began to penetrate into the information space of the West and Ukraine. But for whom is it unexpected? Did anyone doubt that during the US election campaign a lot of feces related to Ukraine would surface? Or is it that European “free” journalists will pick up American messages and spread them throughout Europe?

Problems at the LBS, often lack of ammunition, Nazi detachments behind positions, corruption, when soldiers literally buy themselves not only vacations or awards, but also magazines for machine guns, as one of the serviceman’s wives wrote about this, drug addiction, drunkenness.

All this somehow does not really motivate Ukrainian soldiers. But the most important thing is the lack of perspective. Even disabled people of the 1st and 2nd groups are not discharged from the army. A soldier has only one perspective. At best, severe injuries and long treatment. Or a grave, if you're lucky.

Let’s add to this an inadequate president who lives, as it were, in another world, “fights and defeats” the Russians, will soon be in Crimea and Donbass, and he has long captured Zaporozhye and the Kherson region. “The whole world is helping Ukraine.” Western weapon the best in the world. Now American planes have become the “Ukrainian god that will destroy Russia.” Just like that, right away...

Everyone in the West understands this. In the West they suddenly remembered their money transferred to Kyiv. Suddenly they saw what realistic politicians, including them, have been talking about for a long time. It is impossible to defeat Russia militarily. The same, by the way, as the USA, China, India and several other countries. You can win a battle, but not a war. And it is not possible to destroy Russia. They are trying to kill us with the icy shower of sanctions, but we, to the surprise of the West, are simply hardening ourselves...

Understanding the impossibility of victory in Ukraine, problems with Israel, internal political squabbles and declining living standards, the possibility of losing presidential power or its lobby in parliament - all this forces the West to come up with and offer us more and more new “ways to stop the conflict.” By throwing these topics into the media, Western politicians study public opinion in Russia and Ukraine...

What cannot be taken away from the United States is pragmatism. They perfectly know how to manage the entire pack, without losing sight of anyone. “World Barking” creates the illusion of world opinion, the illusion that some people actually have thoughts about whether we are right. The Americans know how to create a situation in which, no matter what happens, they are guaranteed to receive their share of the spoils.

There is only one place where an opinion is formed and voiced, which forces all these experts, politicians, analysts to write the last sentence at the end of their articles: “True, it is unknown whether Moscow will negotiate!” Again, who knows? For us or for them? We have known everything for a long time.

According to our Constitution, the territories of the Lugansk and Donetsk republics, the Republic of Crimea, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions are the territory of Russia! This means that all these territories must be liberated! Then we can talk. This is what our politicians and the president repeat when answering questions about the negotiations. But the other side immediately “turns on the fool.” “My don’t understand!”

Why does the military solution lead to the collapse of Ukraine?


Zelensky continues to talk at all the sites where he manages to break through about the victories of the Ukrainian army, about some new plans for the defeat of the Russian army, about the liberation of the former territories of Ukraine and access to the 1991 borders and immediately demands money, weapons, assistance for: “ survive the winter...

And what is the reality?

I have written several times that the modern tactics of operations by Russian troops are that today they do not take enemy positions “at any cost.” The price, that is, the life of a fighter, has increased greatly today. Yes, there are situations when soldiers die. This cannot be avoided in war. But, before launching the infantry to storm any stronghold or forest belt, these objects are massively processed by artillery and aviation.

I propose to try to understand how Russian troops work on the LBS. I will immediately apologize for the fact that by the time this material is published, something may have already changed in some direction. It is clear that the media is not some Internet channel where the message is published immediately. Here the process is a little different. This is a longer process.

I’ll probably start with the most pressing topic today, Avdeevka. Moreover, there are now too many of those who have “already won.” This is as harmful as the existence of those who have “already been defeated.” The operation is underway. It's going hard. The Ukrainian Armed Forces have created a fairly serious defense system there, based on underground structures, underground passages, and so on.

Today we control more than 60–70% of the Avdeevka industrial sector there. We control approximately the same amount in the private sector, east of the Avdiivka industrial zone. If we remember how these “unexpected assaults” of the Russians took place, it will become clear that the troops worked with almost complete information about the enemy. The reconnaissance worked great. Which only confirms what I wrote above.

And counterintelligence too. I looked quite carefully on the Internet, and this is where most information leaks come from, and I did not find a single (!) message that talked about the plans of our units. I just want to shout after the cartoon cat Matroskin: “Hurray, it’s working!”

So my subsequent discussions are an analysis based on open sources. No one shared “exclusive information from an unnamed source” with me.

Those who are closely watching what is happening now in Avdeevka have probably noticed the active use of FABs at Koksokhim. Why did it happen? Remember Mariupol and the defense system there. Defense with the creation of a system of underground passages. Then there was the development of this idea in Marinka. Do you remember the stories of the operation participants about how, after the Russians had occupied the opornik, IED fighters suddenly appeared in the rear of the unit?

In Avdeevka, Ukrainian engineering thought went further. Already before medieval engineers. Finally, the creators of fortresses realized that for maximum efficiency it was necessary to create, in addition to the main fortress, also remote fortified supports (forts). Let me remind you how many problems the Red Army had to solve during the assault on Koenigsberg and its forts. There are these forts in the Avdeevsky fortified area. There is also a Soviet air defense base, a recreation center “Tsarskaya Okhota” and several others.

The task of these forts is not only to “grind” the enemy’s manpower and equipment, but also, after the forts are captured, to ensure the work of scouts and saboteurs. In order for this to work, it is necessary to establish communication with the main fortress. The best solution in this case is a system of underground passages. This is what was done in Avdeevka.

What can we do?

In principle, there are several ways to solve these problems.

The first, simple, but not guaranteeing a 100% result, is simply to raze the forts to the ground. But the experience of the same Marinka shows the ineffectiveness of such work.

Another way is to storm, no matter what. Take it and then try to figure out the underground passages. We have abandoned such tactics.

Well, the third way. Attack the fortress itself and capture, leaving and blocking the forts in the rear. But this is only possible when we completely eliminate the supply routes for the fortress. Which, in principle, has already happened. There is no talk of a complete blockade yet, but supplies have been reduced. We are close to Koksokhim, but not yet in it.

Today we can say that the garrison is “eating” the reserve that was made for this case. Strikes by FABs are an attempt by our Aerospace Forces to destroy the entrances to those same underground passages. That is, we hit not the “hands”, but the “head”. We are trying to destroy underground warehouses and locations of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. How effective this is, I don’t know yet.

Thus, we can conclude that for now we cannot talk about the operational environment of Avdiivka. But it is a matter of time before this encirclement occurs. The “pincers,” if you look at the overall picture of the operation, are already visible. And the Ukrainian Armed Forces cannot do anything. Hence the transfer of reinforcements from other defense sectors. Hence the completely wild decisions on counterattacks. This is where the topic of negotiations comes up.

In Kyiv they understand perfectly well that after Avdeevka there will be nothing to grab onto. Several hundred kilometers of flat field without any serious fortifications. Although there is information that attempts to build new Avdeevkas are already underway. It’s just quite difficult to have time to create something more or less serious. In general, I do not yet see, despite numerous videos with Ukrainian prisoners, the readiness of the Avdiivka garrison to stop hostilities.

Well, very briefly about other directions.

What is happening in the Maryinsky direction? Everything here is extremely tragic for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The fact is that it was from here that the most trained and motivated units for the defense of the Avdeevka direction were withdrawn. They were replaced by units and formations that were created from new mobilized ones. And these are completely different units and units.

Moreover, according to the plans of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for the spring-summer of 2023, the Ukrainian Armed Forces here were supposed to carry out a “radical change” in the war, defeat Russian units and reach the borders of Crimea, etc. Therefore, everything was aimed at accomplishing this particular task. There was no talk of defense. So, when roads replace dirt, you can expect anything here. In the meantime, we are seeing local battles to capture the heights. Russia is really improving its position.

Well, the Kupyansk direction. Everything the “northerners” should do when winter comes. A bit of hunting (artillery duels). A bit of VKS work. Work on equipping dugouts and other routine work of soldiers at the front. Our people are not particularly eager to liberate Kupyansk. I really liked the documents from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, where the situation is interpreted as tense. They require reinforcement, supplies of PTS and air defense and other things...

I will not dissuade the enemy. The Russian army actually carried out a rotation and introduced a fresh army into the LBS. Which, I agree with the Ukrainian staff officers, can naturally be interpreted as preparation for a new assault on Kupyansk. The fact that everything is possible there is also confirmed by the fact that, unlike other areas, there is no information about our divisions in the media and Internet channels. That is, we have finally introduced a regime of secrecy at the front. Just know what we want to show you... That's why I refer to Ukrainian reports.

Let's briefly summarize the analysis


I don't want to repeat myself. What's the end result?

But in the end, we see what we should have seen after the arsenals and safe deposit boxes of the NATO countries lost a lot of weight. A country completely dependent on the West begins to crumble after Western aid is cut.

Even what until recently seemed unshakable, for example, the belief in a quick victory and the collapse of Russia due to Western sanctions, is now being questioned not only by thinking Ukrainians, but also by representatives of the political elite. There is a painful process of regaining memory. The alternate reality changes to just reality.

It's impossible to win. We need to somehow force Russia to negotiate on Western terms. Not Zelensky, with his delusional ideas of “reaching the 1991 borders,” but those that were voiced, among other things, by the Chinese leader, in the form of a peace plan for Ukraine. Create another Korea. Only we can look news. A ceasefire is just a ceasefire. War can break out at any moment.

Do we need it?

First, let's finish what we started, then we'll talk. Very similar to what the West supports regarding Israel's actions. But “this is different”, this does not apply to Russia, from the point of view of the West and especially Washington. Oh, these double, triple, quadruple and beyond - standards.
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  1. +28
    28 November 2023 04: 57
    What a lecture! I just remembered political training. Wow, I perked up this morning.
    1. +10
      28 November 2023 07: 53
      I just remembered political training.
      Today there are two lecturers with almost the same topic. Staver on this, Fedorov on the next branch.
      1. +6
        28 November 2023 09: 48
        Whatever the management decides, so it will be. They forgot to ask us.
        1. +1
          2 December 2023 13: 06
          No, no truce until the assigned tasks are resolved. Otherwise they will dig in, regroup, accumulate ammunition, why is this necessary? It is necessary to suppress Ukronazism while it is choking.
      2. +7
        28 November 2023 13: 22
        And who is talking about negotiations? With the enemy. Yes, that’s what they’re saying in the Kremlin. True, with a streamlined formulation - readiness for negotiations. So gbe the enemy, huh? Staaer, where is the enemy? You’re sniffing crap here
        1. +7
          28 November 2023 20: 37
          And who is talking about negotiations? With the enemy. Yes, that’s what they’re saying in the Kremlin. True, with a streamlined formulation - readiness for negotiations. So gbe the enemy, huh? Staaer, where is the enemy? You’re sniffing crap here

          Yeah. Wishful thinking. About negotiations only with us.
          No one speaks in Ukraine. It's about war to the bitter end.

          There is chatter in the discussions of commentators on third-rate Western channels. Private opinion of individuals as a possible long-term perspective.

          Type of this:

          “We knew we would end up in this situation,” the presenter said. “A situation in which Russia and Ukraine need to negotiate and [in which] both sides will have to make concessions. Ukraine may have to make a territorial concession.”
          The Hill TV Robbie Soave.

          There will be no agreement, no matter how much some of us want it. The West doesn’t need it, that’s not why they set this trap. stop
      3. AAK
        +3
        29 November 2023 18: 38
        It’s somehow pathetic, only the two mentioned crazy women are all those “who yesterday spoke about the imminent collapse of Russia”, a bit too small and stupid...
    2. +1
      30 November 2023 10: 25
      What a lecture! I just remembered political training.
      The most brutal nonsense)
  2. +6
    28 November 2023 05: 12
    We need to somehow force Russia to negotiate on Western terms
    Again about negotiations....They don’t negotiate with cheaters.
    1. +2
      28 November 2023 07: 22
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      We need to somehow force Russia to negotiate on Western terms
      Again about negotiations....They don’t negotiate with cheaters.

      Yes, what kind of cheaters they are, the cheaters are the West, and the Ukrainians are terrorists, everyone knows this and they themselves boast about it, so what kind of negotiations can sane people conduct with terrorists, especially since the ball is in our court.
    2. +7
      28 November 2023 13: 24
      belay That's right, they don't sit at the same table. And what happened last year in Istanbul?
      1. +3
        29 November 2023 15: 15
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        What happened last year in Istanbul?

        With the failure of the blitzkrieg to capture Kyiv and install a puppet on the throne, negotiations in Istanbul were an attempt to avoid a major protracted war. But Ze and Co. rolled out obviously impossible conditions, such as the borders of 91 and other nonsense.
  3. +1
    28 November 2023 05: 45
    Ukrov's solitaire doesn't work out again
    If only they had. Solitaire did not work out for the “friends of Ukraine” - the Anglo-Saxons and Europeans, which is why there was talk of some kind of negotiations with the subsequent freezing of the conflict. Who should we negotiate with and do we need them today? The other day, one, probably the most “patriotic” Deputy Minister of Justice of Ukraine, Mudra, said that first Russia is obliged to pay reparations to Ukraine, and after that something can be signed. Ku-ku..., in what reality do you exist?
    1. +5
      28 November 2023 13: 28
      We don’t need it, of course. But there are clearly people at the top for whom this is vitally necessary.
  4. +9
    28 November 2023 05: 48
    It is completely incomprehensible to me why I should call a person who betrayed his Motherland, his state, his ancestors a foreign agent?

    It’s also incomprehensible to me, when all kinds of filthy scum, like former Prime Minister Kasyanov, crow about the occupation of Crimea. It's a shame we didn't get to it in time.
    1. +20
      28 November 2023 05: 56
      It's a shame we didn't get to it in time.
      He is “one of our own”, but “their own”, “their own”, at least do not touch them. For example, the same Chubais, the president is still at a loss, why did he leave? They weren't going to touch him.
  5. +24
    28 November 2023 05: 55
    First, let's finish what we started, then we'll talk.


    By what criteria will “finish what we started” be assessed if the goals were vague?

    The authorities can always pass off the stopping of the air defense system by Russia at any moment at this stage of hostilities as achieved results.
    It all comes down to expediency for the current Government. If it is profitable, then it is acceptable.

    Increasing the retirement age, changing the Russian Constitution, and periodic actions to weaken the ruble give reason to think so.
    1. +11
      28 November 2023 08: 38
      after the “elections without choice” show, you can expect anything from the Kremlin... from mobilization to an agreement...
      and then your phrase “if it’s profitable, then it’s acceptable” will be very relevant...
      1. +5
        28 November 2023 12: 30
        the goals were blurry

        Blurred is an understatement.
        They are generally under the strictest classification, so you can always say - this was our goal.
  6. +2
    28 November 2023 05: 55
    It is surprising to me how the author tries to avoid the issue of the destruction of Ukrainian statehood and does not offer anything to resolve this issue.
    Firstly, the Zelensky regime should not feel free throughout Ukraine. Russia has high-precision weapons. Why is this scoundrel threatening from known places? Why do administrative bodies function? It is unlikely that the work of the Ukrainian government will be possible without administrative buildings. So isn't it time to drive this Nazi regime underground, into bunkers?
    Secondly, trying to preserve the structure of the Coke Plant, we can only reject known methods and methods of assault. It is possible to starve out entrenched Nazis by guaranteeing them that preserving their lives (capture and detention until a court decision) is possible only until a certain period, after which no one will take prisoners.
    Thirdly, underground shelters are very easily filled with flammable gas or composition. used in thermobaric munitions, after which they explode. There is also methane, which contributes to the desire to take a breath of fresh air.
    * * *
    Most importantly, we should not show nobility to Nazi dogs. There is no progress on the part of the Russian authorities towards lifting the moratorium on the death penalty against war criminals.
    1. +13
      28 November 2023 06: 38
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Why is this scoundrel threatening from known places? Why do administrative bodies function?

      Because we we recognize the Zelensky government. We negotiated with him and are talking about negotiations now. Given this political opening, the liquidation of Zelensky is indeed wrong.
      Another thing is that this political introduction itself, in my opinion, is a major mistake.
      In addition, we conduct “SVO” so enchantingly that as it was carried out, another reason appeared - fear. If we begin to eliminate their politicians, they will begin to eliminate ours. And if we take into account that the real enemies and saboteurs of the Russian Federation are a passageway, the fears of our “elites” are not at all in vain.
    2. +16
      28 November 2023 09: 02
      Most importantly, we should not show nobility to Nazi dogs.
      Nazi dogs, for some reason they became from the beginning of the North Military District and the Nazi regime at the same time. Why didn’t anyone call them that before? We also maintain diplomatic relations with Nazi dogs and send gas through them, and they charge for transit, dogs laughing
      1. 0
        7 December 2023 19: 10
        Short memory. They openly became Nazis in 2014, and not with the beginning of the Northern Military District. Diplomatic relations were severed in February 2022. Have you, my friend, or whoever you are, just arrived from Through the Looking Glass?
    3. +18
      28 November 2023 09: 20
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Why is this scoundrel threatening from known places?

      Moreover, as soon as he arrives at the LBS, we immediately stop shelling these places. Bakhmut, Kherson, Avdeevka, etc. Because if you start to wet their political elite, this will give them a free hand. Do we need it? It’s one thing at the LBS when slaves from both sides beat each other, but it’s a completely different thing when their sacred carcasses are in danger.
      Quote: ROSS 42
      this Nazi regime underground

      This Nazi regime is only like this on TV. But in fact, real boys are engaged in trading and our gas is transited through them in record volumes to the “damned geyropa”, etc.
      there is no progress towards lifting the moratorium on the death penalty for war criminals
      We are humane. We send them to sunny resorts in Turkey for treatment.
      1. +4
        28 November 2023 15: 22
        Quote: Mishka78
        their sacred carcasses are in danger.

        Rather, they are afraid for the carcasses of their children living abroad.
        1. +1
          28 November 2023 20: 30
          If they were afraid for them, they would return them to Russia. No, they are rather afraid for themselves, considering how open the yard is for saboteurs. And the amers can throw long-range missiles.
  7. +6
    28 November 2023 06: 02
    Kutuzov’s words come to mind: “Everyone demands victories. The meaning of these victories is important to me.” The operation against Nazi Ukraine does not consist only of military operations. The success of the operation will in many ways give us the opportunity to escape from the tenacious clutches of the West. It has been trying to create a monopoly on literally everything for more than thirty years. If you list everything, there won’t be enough fingers on your hand. The Great People's Council is currently underway in Moscow. Where the main theme is a return to traditional values. I would like this topic to be explored in more detail. We have a long history. We also had different traditions. State, family, cultural. This must be considered together.
    1. +5
      28 November 2023 08: 06
      The success of the operation will in many ways give us the opportunity to escape from the tenacious clutches of the West.
      How did we end up there? In the clutches? We are links in one chain, the capitalist one, and we are tied to them. We cannot be freed, we will die in freedom. Or we will fall into someone’s tenacious clutches again. laughing We threw off the shackles of communism-totalitarianism in the 90s? smile Break free? smile
  8. +8
    28 November 2023 06: 04
    Well, let's start negotiating peace!.. Why is this idea being instilled in us by those who just yesterday were shouting about the imminent collapse of Russia?
    Yes, but the Russian leadership has repeatedly stated its readiness for negotiations, while pointing out that that side is not negotiable.
  9. +24
    28 November 2023 06: 15
    Unlike the article about the heroes who took the Avdeevsk industrial plant, this article is unsuccessful. Both in structure and meaning.
    1) According to negotiations. The endless and already boring discussion of these negotiations is characteristic of our information space. And the author of this article himself makes his contribution to this. The enemy perceives this very discussion as “zrada.” Further, the author writes that these same negotiations are supposedly being offered to us. Where ? When ? The enemy invites us to start negotiations by going to the 1991 border and paying reparations. And they refuse to negotiate with Putin at all. The official position of the West is similar (except for the point about Putin). Just the other day, Scholz voiced it for the 100 thousandth time. Only our authorities constantly talk about negotiations “without preconditions”.
    So the author simply feeds our citizens with completely false hopes and illusions. Russia really doesn't need negotiations. So we just need to stop dreaming about them, discussing them and saying that we have no preconditions.
    2) Further, from the heights of strategy and big politics, the author abruptly moves on to positional battles of tactical significance.
    In Avdeevka, the ring operation is just going hard, the industrial area was taken by storm head-on. Our people are fighting heroically and this damn Avdeevka will definitely be taken. But it is completely wrong to say that after Avdiivka there is an open field. After Avdeevka it will be exactly the same as after Artyomovsk (where we spent six months serving out enemy attacks near the city). New line of defense.
    The author should not have remembered about Marinka and Kupyansk at all. We have been storming the town of Marinka since the beginning of the Northern Military District, everyone who has a memory not like that of a gupia fish remembers promises to take it by last New Year, summer promises, etc.
    Near Kupyansk we have been storming Sinkovka for almost a year now (we took it 5 times on the Internet), now we are standing near the village.
    Again, there is no need to become like the Ukrainians with their “health victories” and the wheel of genocide. Let's not say "go ahead" ahead of time.
    1. +9
      28 November 2023 06: 36
      But it is completely wrong to say that after Avdiivka there is an open field.
      It’s as if Slavyansk and Kramatorsk no longer exist.
      1. +8
        28 November 2023 06: 53
        Quote: parusnik
        It’s as if Slavyansk and Kramatorsk no longer exist.

        Slavyansk and Kramatorsk are still like stars. This is the North Donetsk direction. The current tasks there are to repel enemy attacks, then force the Severodonetsk Canal, and cut off the Seversky ledge.
        In the central direction, the enemy after Avdeevka will try to hold the Orlovka-Berdich line. But there, after the liberation of Avdeevka and the remnants of Maryinka, the time will finally come for Krasnohorivka. Without it, the shelling of Donetsk cannot be stopped.
  10. +5
    28 November 2023 06: 49
    When the author writes to us here that...foreign agents, citizens of other states who act against us, I respect as patriots of their countries...so a scene immediately appears where our “patriot” with the hope that he will be accepted into the international community of patriots , ready to bow even to the devil. .. And just as the citizens of the German state were patriots of their country, they crawled from this patriotism all the way to Stalingrad in Russia...
    It’s amazing Russian intelligence, good manners and tact, when instead of getting punched in the face by being an enemy who doesn’t recognize that you are among their patriots, a “Russian patriot” from such horror is ready to please their patriot so much, well, as if it were a joint drinking session with the obligatory ritual “I respect you” "...
    By the way, if not these citizens of other states who are acting against us, then our agents-traitors would be nothing and there would be no way to call them. But since citizens of other states who are patriots of their countries were looking for Judas among the citizens of Russia so that they would betray Russia, they found this Maksakova and Pugacheva and Makarevich and Galkin...
    1. -3
      28 November 2023 12: 38
      but life is not recognized as an enemy, that you are among their patriots, a “Russian patriot” from such horror is ready to please their patriot so much

      What language was this in? It's hard to get through such a strange text.
      It might be better to involve Google/Yandex/Chatgpt.
  11. +10
    28 November 2023 07: 39
    There is another important factor: betrayal. Some people insist from the very beginning that we are ready for negotiations, we are ready, and they sent a real professional Medinsky to them. A person shows the result only by his appearance, and the result was, in the form of various gestures, and the withdrawal of troops from near Kyiv; why they made a landing in Gostomel became unclear. Let's go further, after the capture of Mariupol there were more negotiations, with happy Azov residents, iPhones, and tiramisu. I am silent about various Western negotiations, which were usually accompanied by regroupings of our troops, or various performances such as red lines. And the loophole with not voicing the goals of the SVO is generally just a song, that is, you can collapse everything at any time, like saving the game and exiting. And therefore, I still don’t see anything good from future negotiations; if the diplomats are zero, then let the guns talk better....
    1. +10
      28 November 2023 10: 28
      In fairness, it should be noted that Medinsky was sent because the Ukrainian delegation was officially represented by who knows who. Arestovich hung out there, and Arakhamia, who is officially the general head of the faction in the Rada, led them. But it should also be noted that unofficially, alas, the main negotiator behind the scenes from us was Abramovich, which has caused and continues to cause nothing but confusion among the people. However, the tax-paying population in general is not a subject for today’s elitists, but rather a list of property.
      1. +3
        29 November 2023 15: 32
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        However, the tax-paying population in general is not a subject for today’s elitists, but rather a list of property.

        It is precisely this that explains everything that is happening in Ukraine, and not only. The Russian Federation has no national interests. There are only clan-corporate ones.
    2. +3
      28 November 2023 12: 42
      There is another important factor: betrayal.

      Here we are stepping on the slippery ice of indicating specific personalities, and this is punishable in our country.
  12. +6
    28 November 2023 08: 00
    Well, let's start negotiating peace!..
    Calm down. Proposals for negotiations are just a screen for freezing the conflict. The freeze is beneficial to the West for the following reasons. 1. The main goal has been achieved. Ukraine will not move closer to Russia for the next 30 years. 2. Ukraine will not be accepted into the EU, it is too expensive, and there is nothing left to take from it. 3. Continuation of the sanctions policy towards Russia. The only negative is that they will not be accepted into NATO, but this is compensated by point one. And then there is a fallback option. Belarus. The Old Man is not eternal. What will happen after he leaves is unknown. And there the West can warm its hands.
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  14. +2
    28 November 2023 09: 16
    "Why does the military solution lead to the collapse of Ukraine?"
    Not to the collapse of Ukraine, but to the security of Russia! Or are you proposing to create a Ukraine named after Putin?
  15. +3
    28 November 2023 09: 21
    It is completely incomprehensible to me why I should call a person who betrayed his Motherland, his state, his ancestors a foreign agent?

    because the meaning of this word is “a trusted person who carries out instructions.” Mercenary. Not the enemy, but precisely his agent, in relation to intelligence - secret, but in politics overt, if he is an agent of influence. Although agents of influence can also be secret if the fact of hiring is not advertised. Yes, essentially a traitor, but these are just definitions in different classification systems -
    legal and moral.
  16. +3
    28 November 2023 09: 24
    How much noise did Ukrainians make online about negotiations with Russia?

    Don't read Ukrainian media. Here our media broadcast from every source about “Western fatigue”, “counter-offensive failures”, “permanent mobilization”... and other mantras dubious in their honesty.
    1. -11
      28 November 2023 11: 32
      Quote: Vladimir80
      ... our media broadcast... mantras dubious in their honesty

      There is no Stalin for you. Do you want an acorn? Delicious wink laughing
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  18. +2
    28 November 2023 10: 22
    What's the point of dwelling on this topic? Whatever Abramovich decides, so it will be.
    1. +3
      28 November 2023 10: 39
      Whatever Abramovich decides, so it will be.
      Reasonable, especially since he has assets there in Ukraine, Zaporozhye, Kharkov. And for some reason Zaporozhye is not being demilitarized, I mean factories.
  19. BAI
    +4
    28 November 2023 10: 36
    We need to somehow force Russia to negotiate on Western terms.

    We can only hope that our Government understands that the West (not Ukraine, it is nobody) will negotiate, only to then disrupt everything.
  20. +6
    28 November 2023 10: 41
    Everything is bad for Ukraine - the summer offensive did not bring results, despite loud cries of “victory”; allies are cutting back on aid to Zelensky, apparently wanting to bring him back to reality, but what do we have?

    The last significant victory of our troops was the capture of Severodonetsk and Lisichansk on June 25, 2022 - more than 17 months ago.
    And that’s all... The significance of Artemovsk is much less and it was taken mainly by the forces of “Wagner”, which no longer exists. Advancement on the semi-encircled Avdeevsky salient with an area of ​​150 square kilometers - a victory? If Avdeevka is taken by the New Year, it will be a tactical success
    Since the beginning of the Northern Military District, the RF Armed Forces have taken about 63 thousand square meters. kilometers of territory, of which 62 thousand square meters. km. last year, 1 thousand sq. km. in that. 500 thousand square meters remain under the control of Bankova. km. territories. At this rate, the complete victory that experts here dream of will be achieved in 5 centuries.

    Ukraine is suffering heavy losses, is the population dying out? - Undoubtedly.
    What's going on here? - Under the supervision of the Wise Leader, the national Demography program is being implemented. Russians and other indigenous peoples of Russia are invited to go into the trenches, and in their place they are brought in migrants dear to the heart of the National Leader, who are offered to live off child benefits for the low-income, without working (those who work become Putin’s “middle class and lose the right to payments”). Such an outstanding migration policy, which is being pursued in Russia, has probably never been seen in any other country in the world.
    In the first half of 2023, out of 205 thousand who received citizenship, 87 thousand were natives of Tajikistan, after which they stopped publishing data. This is unnecessary, there is no need to stir up the electorate.
    Insiders from the field report that in some villages in the Moscow region, half of the newborns are children of migrants. By the time our neighbors defeat the regime, a similar “Russian world” will exist throughout Russia.
  21. +7
    28 November 2023 10: 42
    Well, let's start negotiating peace!.. Why is this idea being instilled in us by those who just yesterday were shouting about the imminent collapse of Russia?
    Well, because we ourselves give our opponents a reason for such thoughts. Just last week, the guarantor once again said that he was ready for negotiations, so why should the author blame his opponents? sad
    1. +6
      28 November 2023 11: 08
      Just last week, the guarantor once again said that he was ready for negotiations
      This is different.. Is the President not a foreign agent? And these are foreign agents calling. Feel the difference. smile
  22. 0
    28 November 2023 11: 24
    Proven tactics. The West wants to convince us that we urgently need peace negotiations, and here it is the West, presenting negotiations on a silver platter. Now it’s up to the Russians, the debt must be paid.
    But in fact, it is the West that needs concessions, otherwise the Armed Forces of Ukraine may not be able to stand it
    1. 0
      29 November 2023 11: 38
      The West wants to convince us

      Is this like Lavrov and Medvedev?
  23. +14
    28 November 2023 11: 43
    I somehow remembered an article by the same author a little over a year ago. About Kherson. How scary it became! belay
  24. +5
    28 November 2023 12: 15
    We have known everything for a long time.

    This is until the next accountant arrived.
    Our “leadership” does not say anything firmly, it only reserves the right.
    And our opinion doesn’t matter at all.
  25. +5
    28 November 2023 14: 25
    Most of our “experts” would like to ask two questions: The first is your education, practical experience in the industry being studied. Second - Are you ready to take responsibility for your words?
  26. +7
    28 November 2023 15: 43
    Author, but Adolf Hitler was also a patriot of his country, like all fascists, so you respect them too, right? And Bandera too, right?
    1. +1
      29 November 2023 11: 37
      Author, and here

      You do not understand, this is different! feel
  27. +2
    28 November 2023 16: 54
    Maybe everything is simpler - they live in their own fictional reality?
  28. 0
    28 November 2023 18: 22
    Without any abstruse frills and embellishments: as long as Zelensky’s fascist-terrorist regime exists and as long as there is a combat-ready army of Ukrainian-fascists, Russia will be forced to continue the Northeast Military District.
    Only the complete destruction of the Ukrainian army, the overthrow of the fascist regime in Ukraine, and the establishment of control over security and order in the liberated territories of the former Ukraine will allow Russia to find the peace that it had before the separation of Ukraine.
    Therefore, no "peace" negotiations. Only acceptance of surrender from Ukraine.
  29. +1
    28 November 2023 19: 16
    Today we can say that the garrison is “eating” the reserve that was made for this case. Strikes by FABs are an attempt by our Aerospace Forces to destroy the entrances to those same underground passages. That is, we hit not the “hands”, but the “head”. We are trying to destroy underground warehouses and locations of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. How effective this is, I don’t know yet.
    I have a hard time believing in the built fortifications of Avdeevka, in the fortifications, in the underground passages. If they release me, I would like it to be shown whether it is there or not. Well, Bakhmut was released. Nothing special. The Armed Forces of Ukraine were fortified mainly in houses and basements. Most likely it’s the same in Avdeevka. There is no point in storming cities head-on. They must be surrounded and starved to death.
  30. +4
    28 November 2023 20: 51
    Understanding the impossibility of victory in Ukraine, problems with Israel, internal political squabbles and declining living standards, the possibility of losing presidential power or its lobby in parliament - all this forces the West to come up with and offer us more and more new “ways to stop the conflict.”
    Yes, it seems like no one really offers us anything like that! There are two news items here today:
    Stoltenberg noted that recently there has been an increase in the number of drone and missile attacks on Ukrainian territory. At the same time, he emphasized that the alliance must be prepared for further escalation and increased support for Kyiv.

    The United States does not pursue a policy of pushing Ukraine into negotiations with Russia, believing that starting a dialogue if Russia has no desire to communicate is “pointless.” According to O'Brien, Washington sees no signs that Russia is ready to sit down at the negotiating table and begin to substantively and realistically discuss future prospects. According to the Americans, now Moscow is ready to talk only about the surrender of Kyiv, and this does not suit the West.
    And indeed, on our part we declared a (real) readiness for negotiations in fact on the current positions! Therefore, another attempt by the author-political worker to pass off wishful thinking was easily predictable and recognizable even before the end of reading this “analytical” text... winked
  31. +4
    28 November 2023 21: 49
    The author presented somewhat controversial theses. Why did he decide that if we take Avdeevka, there will be hundreds of kilometers of territory unprepared for defense? Let's look at the example of Kupyansk. For several months he was part of Russia, Ukraine returned. Since February of this year, here on the website, the imminent liberation of Kupyansk has been announced many times - “Bandera’s men are already taking out the archives” (although what kind of archives could there be valuable for us, if the Russian Army lived there for six months? Didn’t the scribblers really think about this?) What? , is there a fortified area in Kupyansk? underground passages?
  32. +1
    28 November 2023 22: 41
    This is only talked about in such media. And the notes about the “collapse of Russia” were there too.
    So everything is correct. The media is hyping the topic, all the time blaming it on some anonymous (almost) foreign agents...
  33. -1
    28 November 2023 22: 58
    What has become “new subjects” is ours! And then we look at the tasks of the Northern Military District: demilitarization, denazification, neutral status... All variants of agreements that do NOT resolve these issues should not be considered! And there must also be claims against the West, because of whose actions the war lasted longer, which entailed unnecessary casualties, destruction, losses, etc. And “trades” can only be for something beyond this.
  34. +6
    29 November 2023 09: 53
    It is not that simple. The Ukrainians have not yet run out of passion, despite the fact that our propaganda predicts the complete end for them: there are no soldiers, no equipment, huge losses. There is an advantage, but the war continues and there is no turning point yet. Our factory of illusions for the elections must show our complete victory - for this Avdiivka will finally be taken. But who wants peace? Our "peace party" in the Kremlin? Yes, they do, and this has long been clear. Oligarchs dream of the arrival of Trump and the lifting of sanctions. Perhaps the West is also thinking about pacifying us so that we don’t snatch a couple more pieces from Ukraine. All this is informational stuffing. We are being prepared for negotiations. The question is what the conditions will be.
  35. +2
    29 November 2023 10: 13
    For me, Russia is more demanding a truce, hinting through the media, the Foreign Ministry and top officials, but Ukraine and the West are not doing it. But I consider the article to be ordinary propaganda.
  36. +2
    29 November 2023 11: 35
    To be honest, I only hear about negotiations and agreements from those in the Russian Federation. Moreover, they always come in the form that they are ready to accept the Ukrainian surrender, which makes it completely obvious that they are looking for an agreement not in Kyiv, but in a completely different place.
    1. +1
      29 November 2023 20: 40
      I see more about these negotiations quoting Western media and experts, but the paradox is that you can take their other media and there will be completely opposite opinions.
  37. +2
    29 November 2023 15: 16
    And explain to the ignorant, please... When there is some kind of well-fortified support that is difficult to take, which is not so easy to pick out even with artillery, etc. - why not just hit it with a volume-detonating ammunition? It seems that after him there is nothing alive left, in any bunker (unless it is sealed)... or do our Banderaites feel sorry for it?
  38. +3
    30 November 2023 00: 23
    All these pseudo-negotiation nonsense can be stopped at once.....it is only necessary for the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of Russia to show willpower and instead of the bashful babble of two unpronounceable words “de...” give a decisive order “until complete victory!”
  39. +1
    30 November 2023 03: 31
    The third paragraph of the article would be taken as the basis for internal social policy in the country.
  40. -2
    30 November 2023 21: 08
    Well, let's start negotiating peace!.. Why is this idea being instilled in us by those who just yesterday were shouting about the imminent collapse of Russia?

    For some reason this idea does not leave the pages of VO, but in all Western or Ukrainian media it is almost unnoticed, flashing only occasionally...
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