Iran and Israel: one step away from mutual destruction

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Iran and Israel: one step away from mutual destruction

The invasion of Hamas fighters into Israeli territory may become one of the critical starting points for a new stage of human stories. It would seem like an ordinary organization, which some call freedom fighters, and others, as usual, terrorists. However, in reality, everything is much more complicated - the Israeli-Palestinian incident could potentially develop into something more than just a local conflict or genocide of civilians on both sides.

First, let's try to understand who is right and who is to blame in the situation that has arisen?



Right and wrong


And it is extremely difficult to find “right and wrong” here. Yes, Israel is a civilized country that, through the labor of its citizens, turned abandoned lands poorly suited for agriculture into a blooming garden, while in the Arab countries surrounding Israel all this time they were basically just shifting from one dictatorship to another. In addition, the same Iran, as well as many other political and religious leaders in the region, openly declare that their goal is the complete destruction of Israel as a state.

But Israel’s face is in the dust - absolute disregard for the interests of the opposite side, merciless bombing, destruction of politicians, military and scientists - MOSAD and the IDF do not disdain any methods. There is a slow but continuous expansion of Israel's borders, as the Arab population is forced out and expelled. Everything is complicated by religious themes, since holy objects are located in the same places for both Arabs and Jews. One cannot help but remember that the Hamas movement, which dealt a merciless blow to Israel, was created... by Israel itself.


Hamas supporters

Doubts that Israel has nuclear weapons weapon, practically no one has, but as far as Iran’s nuclear developments are concerned, Israel is taking ruthless measures to prevent its creation. The question is, is it too late? After all, an atomic bomb is a flexible concept, it can be “dirty”, and Iran already has all the components to create it, and Israel is a very small country.

Separately, it must be said that the two-faced Russian relocants who condemn our special operation in Ukraine, but applaud the IDF carpet bombings, are especially disgusted; perhaps, deprivation of citizenship is the minimum of what needs to be done in relation to them, and ideally, five years of prison harshness for them obviously it won’t hurt, like all those who speak out in their support - the shoots of betrayal must be nipped in the bud.

On the way to the apocalypse


At the moment, the Israeli Air Force is theoretically destroying Hamas forces with continuous bombing, and in practice is systematically exterminating the civilian population of the Gaza Strip. In turn, the Arab militants, having shot, robbed and raped the civilian population of the border regions of Israel to their heart's content, took hostages and retreated to their underground catacombs - judging by the behavior of both sides, nothing good awaits the hostages.

In turn, the society and leadership of Israel generate megatons of hatred, dehumanizing the population of Palestine and the Gaza Strip, comparing them to “human animals” - in the same way, Western countries are trying to dehumanize the Russians, and the IDF is preparing for the ground phase of Operation Iron Swords, the result of which so far no one can predict, due to the frankly unprofessional actions of the Israeli army at the beginning of the conflict. It is worth mentioning that Israel is technically at war.


Israeli Tanks "Merkava" burns on the battlefield no worse than "Leopards" and "Challengers" in Ukraine

Observing what was happening, other Islamic groups, for example, the Hezbollah movement, became more active. For now, their actions are more of a wait-and-see nature, but everything may change after the start of Operation Iron Swords.

Iran added fuel to the fire by declaring its intervention in the conflict in the event of an Israeli ground operation, and other Arab countries announced their readiness to strike American military bases if the United States sided with Israel. In other words, the situation is becoming more and more tense.

Of course, there is a possibility that the IDF will quickly and effectively clear the Gaza Strip and create a new buffer zone between Israel and the Arab world, that the hostages will be “written off”, and the situation will stabilize until the next “escalation”, but everything could be different.

For example, the Israeli armed forces are extremely dependent on the actions of aviation. In this case, aircraft at airfields can be destroyed with the help of sabotage and reconnaissance groups and UAVs, which could have a very negative impact on Israel’s ability to wage war.

Could it be that, using modern combat tactics, UAVs, modern communications and other achievements of modern military science, the Arabs will be able to defeat Israel and there will be a risk that the Jews will be “thrown into the sea”?


Israel has a compact territory, relatively few airfields and combat aircraft - how many of them will survive a massive attack by kamikaze UAVs, cruise and ballistic missiles?

In the event that the conflict begins to drag on, if rivers of blood flow for a long time, mainly from civilians of Arab origin, if the IDF’s ability to conduct combat operations is called into question, and in order to hide this, the Israeli Armed Forces will resort to more and more violent attacks attacks on civilians in the region and neighboring countries, the situation may well get out of control, and Israel’s neighbors will actively intervene in the conflict.

Will Israel be on the verge of a catastrophe that will threaten the very existence of this country?

In the event of direct intervention in the course of the war by Arab countries, the conflict could escalate into a global confrontation with the participation of the United States.

In a situation where the very existence of the state is in question, will Israel use nuclear weapons that it does not have?

Point of non-return


“We do not have nuclear weapons, but if necessary, we will use them...”
Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir.

Officially, Israel does not have nuclear weapons, but few doubt that this is not the case. According to various sources, Israel may have from 60 to 200 nuclear warheads, which can be used using Jericho-class medium-range ballistic missiles, Gabriel-3 cruise missiles launched from Dolphin-class submarines and F-fighters. 15E Strike Eagle. That is, it is assumed that Israel has a full-fledged nuclear triad.


Potential Israeli nuclear weapons carriers

As for Iran, the only potential contender for nuclear weapons among the Arab states, it appears that it does not have ready-made nuclear warheads yet, although the relevant industry and developments are available - this may be quite sufficient.

According to some experts, the armies of Arab countries, even together, are unable to break the IDF, especially if the United States intervenes in the conflict. Based on this, what kind of threat to the destruction of Israel can we talk about? And this means that the use of nuclear weapons by Israel is not expected, right?

In fact, everything is much more complicated, even the limited successes that have been achieved by the Hamas movement indicate that Israel is vulnerable, so it is extremely difficult to predict how the situation will develop, what tactical and strategic moves will be taken by Arab countries. At the same time, the merciless brutality with which Israel is destroying the Gaza Strip can both instill fear and lead to the most unexpected alliances. It only now seems that an alliance between Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Iran against Israel is practically unrealistic, but what will happen if the “democratically elected” Sultan of Turkey begins to sway due to internal unrest? Or will unrest begin in Saudi Arabia?

There is a simpler option for starting a nuclear war.

For example, the same Hamas will obtain a certain amount of radioactive substances - most people do not even imagine how much radioactive materials are available in the world and are available to motivated people. Having equipped several hundred to thousand Qassam rockets with the resulting radioactive materials, Hamas will strike Israel with them - the Iron Dome will not help in this case, since by shooting down the Qassams, it will only contribute to the dispersion of radioactive substances.

Israel will immediately blame Iran for the attack, since it has a nuclear industry and clearly stated goals regarding Israel, and then...

Conclusions


“Let’s say that Iran and Israel reached the “hot” phase of the conflict, and Israel launched a nuclear strike on Iran. Lacking its own nuclear weapons, Iran uses all its Shahed 136 UAVs, and half of them will carry spent nuclear fuel, representing a so-called “dirty bomb.” In addition to them, there will be ballistic missiles of various types, how many of them does Iran have - several thousand?

Who will suffer more damage as a result of such an exchange of blows? Iran will have a hard time, even if Israel has only two hundred nuclear warheads. But everything will be bad for Israel too - the territory is small, the accommodation is compact, for years, or even decades, until the area is decontaminated by the efforts of the “world community”, it may become uninhabitable...”


This scenario was published in the article UAV storm rises earlier this year. It seems that now it is closer than ever to fulfillment.


Iran is potentially capable of delivering hundreds of tons of highly active radioactive materials to Israeli territory - the Iron Dome will not help, since it will only contribute to the dispersion of the contents of “dirty” nuclear charges over Israeli territory

An exchange of nuclear strikes, even if one of the participants can only use “dirty” nuclear weapons, is monstrous, nevertheless, it is a possible reality of our time. When the first nuclear strike is launched, the world will change irreversibly, and then this door will no longer be closed.

At the same time, a “window of opportunity” will be opened, which we simply must take advantage of, because ultimately, the conflict in Ukraine is of priority importance for us, and the war between Israel and Palestine should interest us only in this context.

Whether we will do this or not, in what format, is an open question, to which we will definitely return, one thing is for sure - having a dosimeter and a respirator in our time will not harm anyone.
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  1. +23
    21 October 2023 04: 36
    I would like to note to the Author that Iran is not an Arab state, as stated in the article. Pakistan has the Islamic Bomb, and these are not Arabs either. Brotherly Semitic peoples are divided along religious lines, and this cannot be cured. Just like the mutual anathema of Catholicism and Orthodoxy!
    1. +5
      21 October 2023 06: 58
      The article is quite detailed, but I would like to add that Pakistan is on the side of Palestine, and it just has nuclear weapons, and if something happens, they may well stand up for their coreligionists. Personally, I believe that Israel has no options for military victory, whether with the use of nuclear weapons or conventional ones. The Arab world has become famous, and now the Jews will not get by with six days, and a protracted conflict is a lose-lose for Israel in all respects.
      1. +15
        21 October 2023 07: 20
        I think that the funeral of Israel as a state is clearly premature...
        Unlike Muslims and Christians, Jews are united like no other nation...
        I very much doubt that the world’s most powerful Jewish lobby will allow this tragedy to happen...
        They haven’t let go of Russia from their embrace for more than 100 years... then why talk about the promised land...
      2. 0
        21 October 2023 08: 38
        The fact is that the use of nuclear weapons by Israel will lead to a nuclear arms race around the world. This will have the most dire consequences, including for Israel.
        1. 0
          23 October 2023 06: 29
          Quote: Arzoo
          The fact is that the use of nuclear weapons by Israel will lead to a nuclear arms race around the world. This will have the most dire consequences, including for Israel.

          The fact is that in the United States there is now a conversation in all seriousness in the highest circles of the establishment about the transfer of nuclear weapons technology... to Saudi Arabia. And this will bring her to her side against Iran. The Republican presidential candidate spoke about such intentions in Tucker Carlson's program. Looks like they've all gone crazy there.
      3. +4
        21 October 2023 09: 34
        Quote from Silver99
        Pakistan is on the Palestinian side

        Tell us more about Indonesia.

        The Packs don't care about the Palestinian conflict. I will say more, no one needs the Palestinians alive at all: the example of Lebanon has shown everything to everyone.
        Quote from Silver99
        The Arab world was named

        Since the Six Day War? Of course it has changed. Israel has no enemies left among its neighbors. The three imaginary states, the Palestinian Authority, Syria and Lebanon, are a police problem, not a military one.
      4. +3
        22 October 2023 18: 09
        [quote=Silver99] Pakistan is on the side of Palestine, and it just has nuclear weapons, and if something happens, they may well stand up for their coreligionists.[/quote In the parliament of Pakistan, a woman deputy demanded a thermonuclear strike on Israel. The question is: simply preventive or escalating the conflict. Saudi Arabia can simply finance the development of Pakistan's nuclear program to a level superior to Israel's. Given parity in nuclear weapons, a Pakistani-Israeli war would bring Israel to the brink of disaster. 4 million population, small area, radioactive contamination and gang-guerrilla warfare on the part of the Palestinians make Israel's existence after a nuclear war problematic. Israel must find a way to prevent Iran, Yemen and Pakistan from interfering in the conflict and minimize Hezbollah's involvement. Although, on the other hand, he needs to defeat the military-political structures of Hamas for the survival of Jews in Israel.
        1. 0
          23 October 2023 06: 47
          Quote: gsev
          . Saudi Arabia can simply finance the development of Pakistan's nuclear program to a level superior to Israel's.

          This will be very difficult to do in an acceptable time frame, because the actual number of nuclear warheads in Israel is estimated not at 60-200 units, but from 200 to 500 nuclear warheads. And this is already more than England, France, Pakistan and India. The number of nuclear warheads in China is difficult to determine, but 5 years ago they were estimated at 200 nuclear warheads.
          So the problem must be assessed in real, not imaginary, terms. Israel is capable of incinerating not only the capitals, but also all major cities and the most important military and infrastructure facilities of its opponents.
          And this is already a sufficient reason for a nuclear arms race throughout the world.
          By the way, the number of serviceable and ready-to-use nuclear weapons in the United States today is estimated at “about 500 pieces.” , the rest lost their combat effectiveness due to exceeding the maximum permissible storage period.
      5. -1
        24 October 2023 13: 27
        Quote from Silver99
        The article is quite detailed

        Another nonsense! am If one state uses nuclear weapons against another, other countries possessing nuclear weapons can launch a nuclear strike against the aggressor. Russia needs to declare this and cool down the ardor of suicide bombers waving a nuclear club! Whoever uses it first will be guaranteed to be destroyed. hi
    2. +1
      21 October 2023 10: 15
      Quote: andrewkor
      Pakistan has the Islamic Bomb, and these are not Arabs either. Brotherly Semitic peoples are divided along religious lines, and this cannot be cured. Just like the mutual anathema of Catholicism and Orthodoxy!


      It is not easy to classify the population of Pakistan as a Semitic people. For some reason, there are negligible numbers of potential Semites there, unlike Iran.

      Scientific Reports volume 12, Article number: 1027 (2022)

      Contrasting maternal and paternal genetic histories among five ethnic groups from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan

      Y-Chromosome diversity
      Genetic lineages
      The analysis of NRY variation in 678 male individuals from the same ethnic groups yielded 11 distinct haplogroups defined by 54 SNP and 19 Y-STR markers (Tables S5 and S6). The majority of their Y-chromosomes fell into one of four haplogroups, namely, R1a1a-M17 (50%), R1b1a-M297 (17.4%), O3-M122 (13.9%) and L-M20 (7.1%) with another seven haplogroups comprising the remaining 11.6%. The haplogroup profiles of the five ethnic groups suggested that the genetic diversity in these groups was structured along ethnic boundaries.
    3. 0
      23 October 2023 00: 07
      Mutual anathemas by Catholics and Orthodox Christians were lifted in 1965
      https://apologet.spb.ru/en/%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5-%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F/8-%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D0%B8-%D1%8D%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BC/457-snyatie-anafem-1054g
  2. +5
    21 October 2023 04: 56
    It is unlikely that it will come to a nuclear conflict. In any case, Iran and other allies of Palestine do not need to push it. A protracted, low-intensity conflict will decide Israel's fate even without nuclear weapons. Not because Jews are afraid of anything, but simply because as soon as Israel opens its borders for the free travel of its citizens, they will begin to leave where it is safe. They will support Israel's actions from the US or Europe. A new outcome will begin - such is human nature. The Arab countries probably understand this and if they don’t hurry, Israel will disappear by itself.
    1. +10
      21 October 2023 06: 48
      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
      A protracted, low-intensity conflict will decide Israel's fate even without nuclear weapons. Not because Jews are afraid of anything, but simply because as soon as Israel opens its borders for the free travel of its citizens, they will begin to leave where it is safe. They will support Israel's actions from the US or Europe. A new outcome will begin - such is human nature.

      The probability that Israel will leave on its own is certainly not zero, but it needs to be looked at under a magnifying glass to be noticed. But the probability that, in the event of leaving, Israel will loudly slam the door when leaving is close to 100%.
      But on the local radio I heard that some guys with dual citizenship had a row at JFK airport, because they are reservists and they belong in their units, and the flights were cancelled.
    2. +7
      21 October 2023 07: 07
      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
      As soon as Israel opens its borders for the free travel of its citizens, they will begin to leave where it is safe.

      Israel's borders are open
      1. 0
        21 October 2023 07: 32
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Israel's borders are open

        For all? This is not an objection. Just a question. hi
        1. +4
          21 October 2023 07: 50
          Quote: Stas157
          For all

          Absolutely
          A friend took his family out, men of military age travel freely on business
      2. +2
        21 October 2023 09: 29
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Israel's borders are open


        You understand what the problem is. Today, Israelis are confident that it will be as always. Seven days, conditionally of course, war, quick victory and development of new territories, with US money. What will happen if it is different? Bloody war, tens of thousands of dead, everything is real. Are the Israeli population ready for this? I'm talking about this scenario that hasn't happened yet. If Israel goes through such a war and does not disappear, then relations with its neighbors will change. God forbid, of course, that anyone should experience this.
        1. +2
          21 October 2023 09: 39
          Quote from Eugene Zaboy
          development of new territories

          These are old territories. The IDF left Gaza in the mid-90s, after yet another “peace agreement” with terrorists.
          Quote from Eugene Zaboy
          Bloody War

          With whom?
          Quote from Eugene Zaboy
          Are the Israeli population ready for this?

          Yes. But fortunately, even the current Israeli leadership is not so incompetent as to achieve such a result.
          1. +1
            22 October 2023 02: 54
            Quote: Negro
            These are old territories. The IDF left Gaza in the mid-90s, after yet another “peace agreement” with terrorists.


            It is strange to hear the words “old territories” used in the context of a state that began to be created about 100 years ago and which has existed for about 70 years. Largely thanks to the decisive voice of Stalin. For some reason, Great Britain was not very keen to vote for the creation of Israel. Moreover, there are many similarities with the emergence of Ukraine, almost in parallel. One thing is unclear. Despite the fact that Russia actually created both of these states, both of them can hardly be called friendly towards Russia. Both, for some reason, strive to put a spoke in their wheels, literally, at every step. They probably think they are smarter than their parents.
            1. -2
              22 October 2023 06: 40
              Quote from Eugene Zaboy
              It’s strange to hear the words “old territories” used in the context of the state

              Gaza was under Israeli military control for 30 years, until the mid-90s. Before that - under Egyptian. The IDF left there as a result of the Oslo agreements. Obviously, this idea had its downsides.
              Quote from Eugene Zaboy
              Largely thanks to the decisive voice of Stalin.

              )))
              Yes, it was funny with Stalin. Few people succeeded in challenging the Soviet regime.
              Quote from Eugene Zaboy
              For some reason, Great Britain was not very keen to vote for the creation of Israel.

              Yes. The British were the main enemies of the Jewish people until the early 40s, even under Hitler. The Fuhrer managed to get ahead only in 42.
              Quote from Eugene Zaboy
              Moreover, there are many similarities with the emergence of Ukraine, almost in parallel

              Ukraine was created by the Austrian/German General Staff thirty years earlier, you are confusing something. However, like the USSR as a whole. In general, from the mid-XNUMXth century to the beginning of the XNUMXth century, it was mainly the Germans who controlled the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia. Then - Jews, Ukrainians, one Georgian showed up.
              Quote from Eugene Zaboy
              It’s difficult to call it friendly towards Russia.

              By itself. Even Lukashenko is friends with Russia only for money. And not without reason.
              Quote from Eugene Zaboy
              Both, for some reason, tend to put a spoke in their wheels, literally, at every step.

              To be honest, all countries in the world have plenty to do without Russia. Until the Russian world arrived with tanks.
              Quote from Eugene Zaboy
              They probably think they are smarter than their parents.

              Really, it’s not a big achievement.
              1. -5
                22 October 2023 18: 15
                Quote: Negro
                Few people succeeded in challenging the Soviet regime.

                Is it? Stalin and the leadership of the MGB actually served as agents of influence for the CIA and Allen Dulles personally. All repressions carried out by the MGB after 1945 (well, maybe massively since 1947) were actually carried out on the basis of the plans of Allen Dulles. Only Khrushchev stopped the close cooperation between the CIA and the MGB to destroy the patriotic intelligentsia in the USSR and Eastern Europe.
                1. -1
                  22 October 2023 22: 32
                  Standing ovation laughing How, however, the patriotic intelligentsia “sausages”, even 30 years later, after...
        2. +2
          21 October 2023 10: 03
          Israel's last operation in Gaza was Cast Lead in 2008. This is how a participant remembers it:
          Under cover of darkness we moved towards Gaza. Despite the hot climate, the nights were quite cold. Especially December.

          Thermal underwear saved the day. I highly recommend this.

          Exactly made in Israel. I still wear it every winter.

          Whether it’s 0 degrees or -20, it feels equally comfortable.



          We moved very slowly and I went to bed. I was awakened by the voice of one of the reservists who was sitting on an armored car.



          "Come up. Look how beautiful it is!" he said.



          I will never forget this picture.



          In the pitch darkness the whole city was burning with the brightest flame.

          The horizon was as bright as day.

          I've never seen anything like it. Imagine looking at Las Vegas from the outside. On its bright lights of signs and spotlights. Only instead of a pleasant neon light, there is a huge conflagration of several hectares. I didn’t understand how anything alive could remain there after something like that.



          What this one saw as beautiful in this, I don’t understand.

          A fascinating sight? Without a doubt. Extraordinary? Certainly. But it's not pretty. You can’t say, looking at a burning house with people, -

          “What a beauty! I could admire it every damn day!” Idiot.
        3. 0
          21 October 2023 17: 43
          Eugene Zaboy (Eugene Zaboy). Today, 09:29. NEW. yours - "...You understand what the problem is. Today, Israelis are confident that it will be as always. Seven days, conditionally of course, war, quick victory and development of new territories, with US money. What will happen if it is different? Bloody war, tens of thousands of dead, everything is real. Are the Israeli population ready for this? I'm talking about this scenario that hasn't happened yet. If Israel goes through such a war and does not disappear, then relations with its neighbors will change..." what

          Maybe. you still need to continue THIS THOUGHT of yours! It's not just relationships that will change. but with a high probability also NEIGHBORS... bully
          Here, in the vastness of VO, information slipped through (partially voiced by the wise “peacemaker” Kisenger) belay пabout questions of a similar problem and the preparation of the “New Khazaria” project and WHERE!? bully Good luck in clarifying and “sincere joy” for the Israelis.
          R.S. I will not believe. that the developers of the “LOAN INTEREST” strategy tilted the whole WORLD. there is no plan B and no alternate airfield. Of course not for everyone. As in the joke - “The late bird has just woken up, but the early bird has ALREADY had his beak cleaned... hi "
        4. -1
          21 October 2023 20: 56
          Quote from Eugene Zaboy
          Bloody war, tens of thousands of dead, everything is real.

          Hard to say
          This has not happened before
    3. +4
      21 October 2023 09: 29
      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
      simply because as soon as Israel opens its borders for the free travel of its citizens, they will begin to leave where it is safe.

      I will greatly surprise you, but Jews are now urgently returning to Israel. I will say more, under our grandfathers, Israel was generally restless (and much poorer), but Jews still went there.

      You don't understand the power of the nation state concept.
    4. +2
      21 October 2023 09: 39
      Since Israel's latest operation in the Gaza Strip, "Cast Lead", more than 150 thousand Palestinians have died, including about 30 thousand children. I don’t have statistics about the wounded, but I think there will be another 200 thousand. And all of them are, if not in a concentration camp called Gaza, then in a forced ghetto. Therefore, only those who have forgotten about the inadequate “Cast Lead of 2008” can be surprised by the ripened grapes of anger. Those who support Israel’s inadequate actions after the last Hamas attack do not want to think about what they will lead to in 10-15 years. Everyone understands perfectly well that Israel is destroying not Hamas, but the Palestinian people, seeking to break through excessive cruelty their will to live in their native land.
      For some reason, everyone settled on the use of nuclear weapons as the “last resort” in the conflict. And they rub and rub it until it’s worn out. As if there are no other equally effective ways to clear this small territory of the population living there. The Japanese live in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the people of Kiev have not gone away after Chernobyl. Therefore, the devil is not as terrible as he is painted for people driven to despair. I mean the Arabs. And the Palestinians, under the threat of genocide, will find ways to do this. After all, if Israel achieves its goal of clearing Palestine of Palestinians, they will clear Israel of Jews. I don't mean their murder and genocide. no, they will create such conditions for Israel that the Jews themselves will leave the Promised Land. And with the help of chemistry, bacteria or viruses or something else tricky - it’s too early to talk about it. Science moves forward and not all of its achievements are known to the general public. According to the principle “We will not live, but we will not give it to you either.”
      1. +2
        21 October 2023 21: 04
        Quote: Silhouette
        Since Israel's latest operation in the Gaza Strip, "Cast Lead", more than 150 thousand Palestinians have died, including about 30 thousand children.

        About 1400
        In total, in the Arab-Jewish conflict, since 1920, up to 140 thousand Arabs have died, according to various estimates.
        Quote: Silhouette
        all of them are, if not in a concentration camp called Gaza, then in a forced ghetto.

        Gaza shares a border with the Arab state of Egypt
    5. 0
      23 October 2023 17: 47
      Jews are different in Israel, they will not leave en masse
  3. +2
    21 October 2023 05: 05
    What must be destroyed will be destroyed and wiped off the face of the earth, and that's Biblical!
  4. +1
    21 October 2023 05: 16
    I'm more for Hamas. Israel “proved” itself by organizing Ukrainian events with the Americans.
  5. +2
    21 October 2023 05: 21
    And Crocodile Gena listens and eats.
    Then it turns out that the shelf off the northern gas sector needs to be taken into the right hands. Continue elephant, etc.
    The big players decided to milk the EU by supplying energy resources. Without good Russia. And it is not the Russian Federation that opposes gas and oil pipelines from Nigeria through the Sahara.. We also benefit from their absence, but we are not the main ones...
    Who?
    Money does not smell
  6. -8
    21 October 2023 05: 26
    Quote from Eugene Zaboy
    A new outcome will begin

    Apparently it has already started. RenTV showed that “God’s chosen ones” have ALREADY begun to run......to the horse races!!!
  7. -7
    21 October 2023 06: 22
    Officially, Israel does not have nuclear weapons, but few doubt that this is not the case. According to various sources, Israel may have from 60 to 200 nuclear warheads,
    According to what data? All talk about the presence of nuclear weapons in Israel is at the level of rumors, such as Golda Meir’s statements “Firstly, we do not have nuclear weapons, and secondly, if necessary, we will use them.” There is also a nuclear research center in Dimona, which is not is under the control of the IAEA, and is doing something there, again according to Mordechai Vanunu, producing weapons-grade plutonium. Well, a Jew can lie like two fingers about.... there is no particular faith. It's not enough to assemble a bomb. In order to verify its operability not by calculations and based on tests of individual systems, but in practice, it needs to be blown up. And explosions no. Yes and where Will Israel blow up? Iran has similar problems, except for the place for testing, the size of the state, where you can always find a place for an explosion. Israel can only the USA provide nuclear weapons and apparently there are some agreements. Even if someone uses nuclear weapons, then for Israel with a territory of 20 km² this is will be fatal .
    1. +5
      21 October 2023 06: 44
      In South Africa, Jews tested their charges
      1. 0
        21 October 2023 07: 03
        Quote from voffka
        In South Africa, Jews tested their charges

        There is no need for rumors and speculation. Nothing is known for certain about Israel’s testing of nuclear weapons. Where do such inventions come from? On September 22, 1979, in the South Atlantic, near the Prince Edward Islands, over the desert ocean, the American satellite Vela 6911 recorded a series of light bursts characteristic of a nuclear explosion of a charge with a power of 2-3 kilotons. It is widely believed that this was an Israeli nuclear test (possibly carried out jointly with South Africa). This is where rumors grow from. The Americans themselves have repeatedly changed their minds in one direction or another. The USSR did not confirm this information, and even in those days, no match for the present, there were enough satellites in orbit, and various vessels of the “Akademik Sergei Korolev” type, the main purpose of such a vessel: to provide operational control of spacecraft, the flare would have been noticed, and the area They would sniff it, up and down.
        1. +3
          21 October 2023 07: 54
          Israeli nuclear weapons and French - one project
          The French carried out tests and repeatedly
          1. -1
            21 October 2023 09: 03
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Israeli nuclear weapons and French - one project

            The fact that the French did nuclear weapons to the Jews does not mean that they did nuclear weapons. The USSR also supplied nuclear weapons to someone, so what? Nobody says China's nuclear weapons are Soviet developments. If they want to believe in something, they should not dissuade it. This is not the first time for Jews to bluff. And why invent it when the USA will provide it in any quantity, and for every taste, and even tested and verified many times.
            1. +2
              21 October 2023 17: 31
              Quote: Unknown
              The fact that the French did nuclear weapons to the Jews does not mean that they did nuclear weapons.

              Israel has no nuclear weapons
              There is no Israel either
              Don't trust anyone
              The Jews are deceiving you as always
              Hehe cunning
        2. -4
          21 October 2023 09: 24
          Quote: Unknown
          The USSR did not confirm this information, and in those days, no match for the present, there were enough satellites in orbit, and various ships of the “Akademik Sergei Korolev” type.

          The USSR was not interested in what was happening in the Southern Hemisphere.
          1. -2
            21 October 2023 09: 39
            Quote: Negro
            The USSR was not interested in what was happening in the Southern Hemisphere

            Your processor has overheated.
    2. +7
      21 October 2023 06: 55
      Quote: Unknown
      In order to verify its operability not by calculations and based on testing of individual systems, but in practice, it needs to be blown up. But there are no explosions. And where will Israel blow up?
      It was blown up near South Africa back in the days when South Africa was led by white people and South Africa was friends with Israel so much that it had a common nuclear project. Raw materials and money of South Africa, brains and reactor of Jews. We got the information from the explosion that nuclear countries never share with anyone. Computer modeling has come a long way since then.
      1. -4
        21 October 2023 08: 12
        Quote: Nagan
        We got the information from the explosion that nuclear countries never share with anyone. Computer modeling has come a long way since then.

        Yes, no matter how you model it, practical tests are the main thing. More than 2000 tests have been carried out around the world. USA, USSR, France England, China, the latter India Pakistan, Israel are not on this list. All nuclear weapons will be provided to them by the United States; their ties with the Jews are much closer than many people think. In any case, a nuclear strike, whether from Iran or Pakistan, against Jews in such a densely populated place as Israel would be the end of their state.
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      2. +2
        21 October 2023 13: 15
        Quote: Nagan
        South Africa was friends with Israel so much that it had a common nuclear project.
        This is unlikely: South Africa’s atomic bomb was uranium, this was the only option for them under the sanctions: they have plenty of their own uranium, but there is nowhere to get plutonium and a reactor for it. All the rest have plutonium charges, since it can be made from uranium 238, which is abundant and has a critical mass that is several times smaller.
    3. +1
      22 October 2023 14: 53
      Quote: Unknown
      All talk about the presence of nuclear weapons in Israel is at the level of rumors

      Israeli nuclear physicist Mordechai Vanunu was jailed after he leaked information to the British press about nuclear weapons allegedly being produced at an Israeli nuclear center near the town of Dimona in the 80s. According to his information, Israel had nuclear warheads in the amount of 100 to 200 units,
      He was convicted not of slander about Israel's nuclear bomb, but of espionage.
      Those. Israel's possession of nuclear weapons has been recognized in an Israeli court.
      1. -3
        22 October 2023 14: 58
        Quote: Captain Pushkin
        He was convicted not of slander about Israel's nuclear bomb, but of espionage

        Soooo ...

        Quote: Captain Pushkin
        Those. Israel's possession of nuclear weapons was recognized in an Israeli court

        belay how? what
  8. +3
    21 October 2023 06: 36
    History shows a picture of powerful countries making sacrifices in order to start a war. Our century has grown cynicism and hypocrisy to enormous proportions. Any picture can be shown, as long as it is believed. Powerful political forces are involved in this. The one goal is to have an unclear picture in the conflict zone. The second goal is to create a split in those countries that are not yet involved to this conflict. Krylov's fable "The Wolf and the Lamb".
  9. 0
    21 October 2023 06: 40
    If the Arabs break into Israeli territory in a crowd and organize a war there, then where will the Jews detonate a nuclear bomb?
    1. +2
      21 October 2023 09: 21
      Quote: Shkilet
      If the Arabs break into Israeli territory in a crowd and organize a war there

      The problem of countering such tactics was solved approximately 150 years ago with the advent of machine guns.
      1. 0
        21 October 2023 13: 24
        Quote: Negro
        The problem of countering such tactics was solved approximately 150 years ago with the advent of machine guns.
        Yes? And have machine guns helped the Jews a lot recently? Now imagine that the Arabs, having broken through the defenses, did not rush back, but began to develop the breakthrough, smashing the rear and starting urban battles. A thousand dead would seem like a small thing. Well, yes, in a day the IDF would have entered these cities, but a lot of people there have already been killed, and houses and businesses have been burned. But there are no longer any attackers there - they are destroying the area battalion-by-battalion and moving on. By the way, Jerusalem is not far there; we quickly took a bus from there to the temple of the birth of Jesus in Palestinian territory. And you can fight there for a long time in the narrow streets of the old city.
  10. +1
    21 October 2023 06: 44
    . Could it be that, using modern combat tactics, UAVs, modern communications and other achievements of modern military science, the Arabs will be able to defeat Israel and there will be a risk that the Jews will be “thrown into the sea”?

    Very good question. I think it can if we deprive Israel of air supremacy. Without this there is no. Jews fly and bomb wherever they want and whatever they want. Even despite the layered air defense of Russia and Syria.
    1. 0
      22 October 2023 15: 02
      Quote: Stas157
      Jews fly and bomb wherever they want and whatever they want. Even despite the layered air defense of Russia and Syria.

      In the civil war in Syria, air defenses were destroyed first. It is known from whose tip. The current air defense of Syria is a pale shadow of what was destroyed.
  11. 0
    21 October 2023 06: 50
    As they say, you can’t escape fate. And when the fate of the country is in aggressive hands, and even those who consider themselves “chosen”, one cannot expect good things. As well as from the other side who wants to destroy the first.
  12. +14
    21 October 2023 06: 55
    And which Arab countries will unite? The Saudis, Jordan, are completely dependent on the supply of American weapons. In Iraq, American troops and they are much closer to the Iranian border than the borders of Iran are to the borders of Israel. We look further at the map, the transfer of Turkish and Iranian troops to the Israeli borders , is possible only through Syria. And in Syria the problem is, in Idlib there are Turks, in the sands of Barmalei, in Syrian Kurdistan, the Americans. And regarding the Kurds, as soon as Turkey makes a move towards Israel, there is a high probability that the United States will say "fas" Turkish Kurds and Turks will have no time for Israel, and then any hesitation towards Israel, on the part of Turkey, is fraught for it, Turkey is a member of NATO and strives to join the EU, it will only be crushed by economic sanctions. Who else is there? Lebanon? They’ll just bomb it, like we’re working to destroy Hezbollah bases. Egypt remains, they have a problem with Palestinian refugees. Don’t dream about uniting Islamic countries against Israel, or about nuclear strikes. They haven’t gone crazy yet in Iran and Israel A small nuclear war in this region threatens, first of all, a decrease in oil production and an increase in oil prices, which are already slowly growing.
    1. -2
      21 October 2023 09: 17
      Quote: parusnik
      And regarding the Kurds, as soon as Turkey makes a move towards Israel, there is a high probability that the United States will say “fas” to the Turkish Kurds

      This is not about the Kurds. The mustachioed devil sat down once after a military mutiny, but if he tries to kill his army against the IDF with the Americans, he is unlikely to live to see the evening. Türkiye is not Russia; there are different traditions of military participation in political life.
      Quote: parusnik
      Egypt remains, they have a problem with Palestinian refugees.

      What is the problem? Shooting Palestinian refugees is much easier than fighting the IDF; these “refugees” are much worse armed.
  13. -4
    21 October 2023 08: 52
    According to some experts, the armies of Arab countries, even together, are unable to break the IDF, especially if the United States intervenes in the conflict. Based on this, what kind of threat to the destruction of Israel can we talk about?
    Israel and the United States will be forced into a war of attrition. That's what they'll do. Within several years, drones and missiles from Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, and Iraq will fly towards Israel and the Americans. There will be sorties and DRGs will work.

    Of course, we do not seek to supply weapons to groups, although the United States has never disdained this. But. Because we and China and the whole world, except for a handful of marginalized people, recognize the Assad government. There are no guarantees that we or China will not begin supplying air defense systems to Syria.
    1. -4
      21 October 2023 09: 09
      Quote: Arzoo
      fly drones and missiles from Lebanon, Yemen, Syria, Iraq.

      Four beggar dumps are listed. Since larger rockets will be flying back, the disposable ones who want to launch something somewhere will run out pretty quickly.
      Quote: Arzoo
      There are no guarantees that we or China will not begin supplying air defense systems to Syria.

      )))
      Russia is now in exactly the position to supply air defense systems to Syria - also, by the way, disposable. Great idea, I support it.
      If you can expect anything from the leadership of the Russian Federation, then the leadership of the PRC is usually more adequate.
      Quote: Arzoo
      The fact is that the use of nuclear weapons by Israel will lead to a nuclear arms race around the world

      It will not work if the target is Iran specifically. Everyone has been prepared for this scenario for a long time; it has already been “played out.”
      1. -3
        21 October 2023 13: 27
        Quote: Negro
        It will not work if the target is Iran specifically. Everyone has been prepared for this scenario for a long time; it has already been “played out.”
        Definitely will. Nuclear weapons will return to the battlefield and transform from an expensive bogeyman into a weapon of victory.
  14. 0
    21 October 2023 10: 01
    Why use "dirty weapons"? With the same “Shaheds” we take out the life support systems of large cities, and the cities turn into stone jungles, in which we can survive only with those resources that we either loot or drag on ourselves and in cars.
  15. -1
    21 October 2023 10: 32
    It seems that after 2 weeks the author still hasn’t decided what he wants to say.
    may become one of the critical starting points of a new stage in human history.

    An ordinary terrorist attack. Large, one and a half thousand victims for Israel's 8 million people is 20-25 thousand for Russia: an entire regional center was cut out. Sad, but nothing particularly interesting. Questions only to the Israeli KGB and the politicians who grew such a vegetable garden behind the fence.
    But Israel, too, is in the dust - an absolute disregard for the interests of the opposite side

    The stigma is really in the dust - all these years when Hamas seized power in Gaza, Israel did not lift a finger to correct it. Even worse, about a third of Hamas's funding came from the Israeli government (the other third came from the US and EU, the rest from Arabs, mostly Qataris).
    Particularly disgusting are the two-faced Russian relocants who condemn our special operation in Ukraine, but applaud the IDF carpet bombings

    Different things can be said about relocants, but here they are consistent. Israel is the country that Ukrainians dream of creating.
    practically - systematically exterminating the civilian population of the Gaza Strip

    I’ve already heard this somewhere, how the army somehow manages to destroy exclusively the “civilian population.” However, using the army in police operations is always a bad idea.
    Nothing good awaits the hostages.

    Yes. Previously, Israel was rarely ready to deliberately write off hostages as expenses, but now this is exactly the case.
    for example, the Hezbollah movement. For now, their actions are more of a wait-and-see nature.

    )))
    It is clear that Israel is angry. It's better to sit quietly now.
    Iran added fuel to the fire by declaring intervention in the conflict in the event of an Israeli ground operation.

    Iran says this every week. From Iran to Israel the distance is roughly the same as from Germany to Russia - that’s why they are so brave.
    other Arab countries have announced their readiness to strike American military bases if the United States sides with Israel.

    What do you mean Yemen? Or tik tok warriors?
    At the same time, aircraft at airfields can be destroyed with the help of sabotage and reconnaissance groups and UAVs, which can have a very negative impact on Israel’s ability to wage war.

    Gazmanov's concert in Tel Aviv today at 7 pm.
    which will jeopardize the very existence of this country?

    I didn't catch the transition to this thought.
    could develop into a global confrontation with the participation of the United States.

    Who with whom? Who was going to confront the United States there, Lebanon or Syria?
    There is a simpler option for starting a nuclear war.

    Again I didn’t catch the transition to this thought. How can radioactive waste cause the Israeli leadership to completely leak? Radiation doesn't seem to work that way.

    In general, it is necessary to suck out the third world war, but it is not clear how to do this.
    1. +1
      21 October 2023 13: 30
      Quote: Negro
      The stigma is really in the dust - all these years when Hamas seized power in Gaza, Israel did not lift a finger to correct it.
      This is why Israel created Hamas. To spoil Arafat.
      Quote: Negro

      Gazmanov's concert in Tel Aviv today at 7 pm.
      And what? Elderberry in the garden.
      1. 0
        21 October 2023 14: 00
        Quote: bk0010
        This is why Hamas was created. To spoil Arafat.

        Yes, but Hamas reached the end of its usefulness quite a long time ago. We just saw what this led to.
        Definitely will. Nuclear weapons will return to the battlefield and transform from an expensive bogeyman into a weapon of victory.

        Israel cannot use nuclear weapons on the battlefield - they and Iran do not have a battlefield. And the use of nuclear weapons against “decision-making centers” will illustrate, first of all, the strategic vulnerability of dictatorships compared to republics: the city will like this least of all. Xi, Putin and Erdogan.

        So no, no one is interested in such a development of events.
        Quote: bk0010
        Yes? And have machine guns helped the Jews a lot recently?

        For machine guns to help, they must be on hand. This is just one of the questions for Bibi.
        They began to develop a breakthrough, smashing the rear and starting urban battles. A thousand dead would seem like a small thing. Well, yes, in a day the IDF would have entered these cities, but a lot of people there have already been killed, and houses and businesses have been burned.

        That's exactly what they did. They swaggered until organized resistance appeared. Somewhere half a day, somewhere a day.

        There could be no “battalion-by-battalion” there, because... with such a development of events, the chances of surprise would be zero. Moreover, I’m almost convinced that Hamas didn’t want anything so large-scale: they just planned to make some noise, dispose of excess young animals and feed material to their PR people, and not at all put the skins of all the best people in Gaza on the line. Who knew that the Jewish security system would collapse to such an extent: both sides fell victim to the high reputation of Massad and the IDF.
        1. 0
          21 October 2023 21: 37
          Quote: Negro
          And the use of nuclear weapons against “decision-making centers” will illustrate, first of all, the strategic vulnerability of dictatorships compared to republics: the city will like this least of all. Xi, Putin and Erdogan.
          Well, of course, but the self-propelled grandfather gets a kick out of it: he’s an experienced kamikaze, right?
          Quote: Negro
          So no, no one is interested in such a development of events.
          You contradict yourself: above you wrote that if you are obsessed with Iran, then no one will care. Or under the words
          Everyone has been prepared for this scenario for a long time; it has already been “played out.”
          did you mean something else?
          Quote: Negro
          For machine guns to help, they must be on hand. This is just one of the questions for Bibi.
          If they had been in their hands, they would have ended up with Hamas. Lack of security - that's how it is.
          Quote: Negro
          That's exactly what they did. They swaggered until organized resistance appeared.
          And I’m not talking about courage, but about the pogrom of the rear, which they did not even begin to engage in. They captured armored vehicles and tanks. Where the warehouses, barracks and airfields are located has long been known, I think. They would rush there, dropping DRGs in the cities to disperse the forces aimed at stopping their breakthrough, and the reservists would have nothing to arm themselves with - their weapons would burn out, and new planes would have to be transported from the states.
          Quote: Negro
          I'm almost convinced that Hamas didn't want anything that big
          It seems that he could not: they, apparently, do not yet have military personnel. Purely raiding tactics, without plans for developing success.
          1. -1
            22 October 2023 01: 27
            Quote: bk0010
            Well, of course, but the self-propelled grandfather gets a kick out of it: he’s an experienced kamikaze, right?

            Leaders of democratic countries are immortal (with all the reservations of current democracy). In the place of Zelinsky, Bibi, Biden, any politician will do approximately the same thing - see the actions of three British prime ministers. While the death of Putin or Xi will lead to a radical change in the political course, and the death of Erdogan or two or three Iranian bearded men will most likely lead to a change in the entire political system.
            Quote: bk0010
            You contradict yourself: above you wrote that if you crave Iran, then no one will care

            Iran has been asking for a long time and diligently, so that a strike on it is inevitable and is taken into account as a fait accompli by all calculations. Another thing is that the use of nuclear weapons is unlikely, there is no need for this.
            Quote: bk0010
            If they had been in their hands, they would have ended up with Hamas. Lack of security - that's what it is

            On October 7 we saw a lot of funny things. In particular:
            1. Directly at the beginning of October, the IDF command withdrew its forces from Gaza, giving Hamas the green light. Having received a message about the start of the attack on the night of October 7, the command forbade the few units remaining in place to “succumb to provocations.” We were able to repeat it, cough-cough.
            2. For the last 30 years, Israeli governments, both left and right, have been pursuing demilitarization (and denazification, cough-cough). As a result, the territorial defense system was completely absent. Of all the settlements on the Gaza border, only 1 (one) kibbutz was ready (thanks to one local activist): weapons in hand, firing points and sectors of fire were thought out in advance, people were on the ground, communications were on, etc. In all other settlements, the slippers did not receive any resistance. They went from house to house and shot people like sheep. Purely California or Great Britain.
            Quote: bk0010
            And I’m not talking about courage, but about the pogrom of the rear, which they didn’t even begin to engage in

            The pogrom has not grown.
            Quote: bk0010
            They captured armored vehicles and tanks.

            They captured armored vehicles and tanks, because when the rocket and mortar attack began, the personnel were ordered to leave their combat posts and go to a bomb shelter. Ordered by whom is a very interesting question. As a result, light infantry on foot and in light vehicles captured the tank battalion.
            Quote: bk0010
            It seems that he could not: they, apparently, do not yet have military personnel. Purely raiding tactics, without plans for developing success

            I think I made it clear. I am sure that lovers of the death of a shahid and 72 virgins (or as many as there are supposed to be) get what they want at a young age. Older billionaires are not suicidal by definition. Therefore, Hamas was unlikely to be planning the largest terrorist attack in Israeli history. Moreover, he did not plan a war - he simply had nothing to fight with. But it turned out how it turned out.
            1. +1
              22 October 2023 03: 59
              There is so much pathos, but you yourself cannot take a step without the USA. And don't take another step. They talk about “Democracy”, parliamentarism, turnover and continuity of politics when leaders change.
              In this regard, Iran will give you 200 points ahead both in turnover and continuity and in parliamentary representation.
              Israel is not to blame for anything, but everyone around is to blame - Iran, China, Russia, the left in Europe, the right in Europe, the Papuans and Pygmies, the Egyptians and Algerians.
              I’ll say it not very politically correct, but if you find yourself in Antarctica, then in ten years the penguins there will be to blame for the fact that it’s cold all around and they will have their own Gaza Strip and what the hell is not joking their penguin analogue Hamas. Would you like quotes from members of the Israeli government over the past six months? And after that, still with such pathos, broadcast something about “democracy”...
              1. 0
                22 October 2023 05: 56
                Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                There is so much pathos, but you yourself cannot take a step without the USA

                )))
                Israel is quite good at this. Therefore, 2 weeks have already passed and nothing has been heard about the “red lines”.
                Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                In this regard, Iran will give you 200 points ahead both in turnover and continuity and in parliamentary representation.

                )))
                No, he won't.
                Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                Israel is not to blame for anything, but everyone around is to blame

                No, my position is the opposite. The Jews have a government, even a democratically elected one - all questions go to it.
                Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                Would you like quotes from members of the Israeli government over the past six months?

                Unfortunately, in democratic governments there are usually more Dmitrievmedvedevs, not fewer. Any social system has its shortcomings.
            2. 0
              22 October 2023 11: 28
              Quote: Negro
              In the place of Zelinsky, Bibi, Biden, any politician will do approximately the same thing - see the actions of three British prime ministers.
              Tell this to the Americans, otherwise some people are so fired up by the prospect of Trump as president that they have introduced censorship and are imprisoned for attempting to meet voters with congressmen.
              Quote: Negro
              Iran has been asking for a long time and diligently, so that a strike on it is inevitable and is taken into account as a fait accompli by all calculations.
              Only and personally by you.
              Quote: Negro
              Another thing is that the use of nuclear weapons is unlikely, there is no need for this.
              It was specifically about nuclear weapons.
              Quote: Negro
              The pogrom has not grown.
              So, and I about the same.
              Quote: Negro
              They captured armored vehicles, tanks, because
              The reasons are not important, what is important is that they were captured but not used.
              Quote: Negro
              Moreover, he did not plan a war
              And I should have. Well, just based on “what if it works?” As a result, it worked. And what? Zilch.
              1. -2
                22 October 2023 14: 08
                Quote: bk0010
                Tell this to the Americans, otherwise some people are so excited about the prospect of Trump as president,

                Naturally it burns. Over all these years, people there have become so excited that the question of who will imprison whom is being seriously discussed. However, no matter who remains free, the country's course will not change much. Biden can fight red-haired Hitler as much as he wants, but most of Trump’s initiatives have been continued, just as Trump, in turn, continued many things that Obama started. Both bad and good.
                Quote: bk0010
                It was specifically about nuclear weapons.

                The main problem with the use of nuclear weapons is that it would mean that the leadership of a large country has gone crazy.
                Quote: bk0010
                what is important is that they were captured but not used.

                They didn’t capture us, but took pictures against the background.
                Quote: bk0010
                And I should have. Well, just based on “what if it works?”

                It turned out to be a strong substitute.
          2. 0
            22 October 2023 18: 31
            Quote: bk0010
            And I’m not talking about courage, but about the pogrom of the rear, which they did not even begin to engage in. They captured armored vehicles and tanks.

            It is quite possible that the goal of the Hamas leadership was to dispose of the grown-up, ambitious youngsters and prolong the aging leadership’s stay in power. But the ascetic life in Gaza hardened the Palestinians so much that in one day they were able to kill half of the number of Jews who died in the 6-day war against the entire Arab coalition.
  16. +1
    21 October 2023 11: 31
    Yes, indeed, the author and the authors in the media are making a fuss of the 3rd World War.
    Meanwhile, everything is bad for the Arabs.
    1) Hamas had temporary success due to surprise
    2) because of him, civilians, both Jews and Palestinians, have suffered and will continue to suffer. even Russians.
    3) Israel will seize more territories. There is a reason. And so he waited several times.
    4) His “mini-SVO” will be more legitimate in the eyes of people.
    5) Comparison of his “SVO” and our SVO, I’m afraid, will be in his favor. Fast, powerful, successful, against the entire “collective Arab world”
    6) We can only expect a new rise in prices, and that some “successful managers” will return to Russia and continue pumping out more juice (Friedman, Chubais and others)
    1. 0
      21 October 2023 18: 21
      As for your sixth point, it’s unlikely, everything is like in that children’s saying: the chicken gets up, the place is gone.
    2. -1
      21 October 2023 18: 23
      Because of him, civilians, both Jews and Palestinians, have suffered and will continue to suffer. even Russians.
      Where did you find Russians there? Those who served in the Israeli security forces? So they chose their own fate. I’m not even talking about those who strayed from the North Military District; they also have no place in Russia.
      1. 0
        21 October 2023 22: 18
        Official messages. That there were Russians there. In Gaza. and nearby... some kind of Russian house, company. (well, Muslims, for sure) I don’t remember the numbers.
        They wrote about those who changed their citizenship. With or without double, they did not specify.
  17. 0
    21 October 2023 11: 54
    Regarding hard work and civilization, we must not forget about the injection of funding: instead of comparing with poor tribes, why not compare, say, with the UAE.
    Appointing extreme people based on the events of recent weeks for a long-term conflict is also incorrect.
    As for radioactive forecasts: being driven into a corner and the habit of impunity will decide a lot. In the end, it is not the performers on the ground who pull the strings, but those making the profits. But Israel, with Western support, has enough strength to cope with the encirclement with conventional weapons, and nuclear weapons can only be used to reduce its own infrastructural losses in the event of a global anti-Zionist unification (there will be a choice between preserving its own at reputational risks and world reactions).
    (By the way, this is another modern technology for substituting concepts: calling anti-Zionism anti-Semitism, as well as classifying external sabotage and internal domestic hooliganism as terrorism)
  18. +1
    21 October 2023 13: 07
    Yes, Israel is a civilized country
    Actually, there are laws there that a civilized country cannot have. But for nationalistically minded religious fundamentalists - quite so.
    which, through the labor of its citizens, turned abandoned lands poorly suitable for agriculture into a blooming garden
    And how did the Palestinians manage there for centuries? By the way, almost everyone who is now sitting in the Gaza Strip are former peasants driven by force from their land.
  19. +2
    21 October 2023 17: 07
    It seemed like there was a doctrine, Samson's Option. If something happens, he will fly not only to the Arabs, but also to European capitals, so that they don’t think he’ll sit out and weaken support
  20. +1
    21 October 2023 18: 19
    Do you think we will have to die too?
    In this case, due to close shaving, we will blame everything on the Jews, and say that they missed the mark.
  21. 0
    21 October 2023 18: 40
    What does Iran have to do with it anyway? Why are they talking about it?
    1. -2
      22 October 2023 05: 50
      Propaganda stamp. If you have had a devil with horns for decades, and suddenly some dirty trick happened that he had nothing to do with, then it is still easier for you to blame the old enemy, rather than explain where the new one came from.
  22. +1
    21 October 2023 20: 38
    The title of the article is somewhat pretentious. No matter how much the Jews puff themselves up, they cannot destroy Iran. Too large territories, population, industrial capabilities. Yes, they will be able to inflict very heavy damage, but this is where the history of the State of Israel will end.
  23. 0
    21 October 2023 21: 46
    Iran and Israel: one step away from mutual destruction

    In Yemen there were about a million volunteers, in Iran - about three. Will the Jews cope? And if they decide to go mushroom hunting, then Pakistan is very close, they will send a dozen good, strong saffron milk caps...
  24. 0
    22 October 2023 00: 51
    Separately, it must be said that the two-faced Russian relocants who condemn our special operation in Ukraine, but applaud the IDF carpet bombings, are especially disgusted; perhaps, deprivation of citizenship is the minimum of what needs to be done in relation to them, and ideally, five years of prison harshness for them obviously it won’t hurt, like all those who speak out in their support - the shoots of betrayal must be nipped in the bud.


    Authors who call for searching for enemies and weeding out the “sprouts of betrayal” are especially disgusted.
    What makes the comparison “five years of a prison tough” and deprivation of Russian citizenship especially piquant is the author apparently believes that one replaces the other - well, it’s like Mizulina, who turned to the Ministry of Defense with a request to send some blogger to the Russian army as, attention, punishment (!) - we will teach you, the infection, how to love your Motherland - five years as a planner will be normal, but maybe ten at once will be better? No right of correspondence.

    Inciting suspicion, smoothly flowing into hatred of any dissent, searching for “sympathizers of traitors” and recommendations for sending them for correction to places not so remote is nothing more than an attempt to promote an old record, to which “the absolute watchman rules the roost all night.”

    But there is one “but” that the author and similar cliquey provocateurs did not take into account.
    At the top of the pyramid, “to this day,” sits a person who understands that the demon, whose coming is so longed for by swearing idiots, when released into the wild, will simply put an end to the history of our state, because in the absence of a sane, more or less adequate and an ideology supported by at least 80% of society, such “approaches” lead to a war of all against all with a known result.
    And the ruling elite cannot get enough of this development of events.
    I think so.
  25. 0
    22 October 2023 10: 21
    By their vile terrorist activities against their neighbors, the Jews have long proven that there is every reason to destroy this Judeo-fascist state, and if the Jews use nuclear weapons, this will be the beginning of the destruction of Jews throughout the world.
  26. 0
    22 October 2023 22: 42
    Judging by the comments, many can’t wait to look at the mushrooms.
    Apparently, they will be interrogated in the end...
  27. 0
    23 October 2023 19: 50
    I wonder how Israel's nuclear weapons were calculated? There has never been a single IAEA inspection at the reactor in DIMON, no one knows who is doing what there, but the ammunition has been counted. wink .