Landing nonsense or Crimea as a key to Russia

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Landing nonsense or Crimea as a key to Russia

Although today all attention is paid to Gaza, where you yourself know what is happening, we will nevertheless talk about things closer to home than the next stage of the Jewish-Arab showdown. Of course, hardcore fans have something to see there, there is no dispute here, both sides tried to provide everyone with hot content, but there are things that are closer and more important to us.

In general, of course, I was terribly surprised to see how Israeli soldiers of both sexes and civilians were being dragged into captivity, and they did not let go of their phones and were filming.



But our topic is not so widely covered, and therefore causes a very ambiguous reaction among normal people, from simple surprise to quoting Lavrov about these...

Are we all really supposed to believe that Ukrainian special forces specialists with good ranks tried to land in Crimea to stage a PR campaign?

You know, it’s somewhat reminiscent of the parable about the drunken bell ringer who fell from the bell tower and remained alive. Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, three times is a pattern. And today we can clearly trace three attempts at photo sessions with flags in Crimea. Moreover, from time to time they became not only more sophisticated, no. Rather, more thoughtful.

It's the fourth of October. More precisely, the night of this date. An RQ-4B “Global Hawk” appears in the sky above Romanian territorial waters, quickly spotted by our electronic intelligence. “Global Hawk” today is like the FW-189 “Rama” during the Great Patriotic War, that is, it is absolutely not good. So everyone understood that some kind of nasty thing was being prepared, and judging by the results, measures of a certain nature were taken.

Further. Then two Neptunes flew towards Sevastopol. It is clear that the Ukrainians did not intend to anti-ship anyone there; it was clearly a diversionary maneuver. Like an artillery barrage of a dozen shells during reconnaissance in force. The Neptunes were shot down, but the confidence that it was not just like that remained.

Then a speedboat and three jet skis. The set, let's say, is ambiguous. It seems that the group went to the same point where they tried to land on September 23, which once again suggests that the point is not simple, there is probably something (or someone) there in terms of support.


As a result, the Su-30 aviation The Black Sea Fleet sank a boat, something strange happened with the jet skis, both in terms of quantity (the numbers vary from 3 to 5), and in terms of who they were and where. But one saboteur was caught.

I believe unconditionally that this is from the Ukrainian side. Because it’s impossible to stage such a game in a blue eye, or we were present at the birth of a new cinema star. Of course, many decided that this was a production, but there is a nuance.

All the military in the world, to put it mildly, exaggerate their merits. Well, just to get an order instead of a medal, and an Order instead of an order. If there had been a statement from our DIMC, then the task would have been stated to be at least the destruction of Aksenov by a painful death or the blowing up of something from the Black Sea fleet, fortunately, there are more than enough goals there. Well, you understand, the supergroup was on a super mission, and our guys neutralized them all.

Well, it’s clear that there are reasons to write awards lists.

And here on all the television screens of the country the body is broadcasting that he was going to take a selfie with the flag. That is, in our country the role of everyone involved in the counteraction was permanently reduced to catching inadequate people. And we didn’t cope with this role so well, because we only caught one.

In general, exposing the enemy as a herd of clinical idiots is dangerous. You don’t have to look far for examples; after the First Karabakh War, the Armenians, to put it mildly, stopped considering the Azerbaijanis as rivals, we and Ukraine were very mistaken (although most of it does not lie with the Ukrainians), Israel somehow miscalculated with Hamas...

So you can criticize, you can even laugh if there is a reason, but often such an attitude, with a chuckle and disdain, turns out to be simply an inflated opinion and self-deception. And you also know how it ends: “regroupings” or outright retreats. And as a result, the opinion about the army, Russian, Israeli, American, has fallen below the plinth - this is no longer so important.

Well, the Ukrainian special forces’ raid on Crimea looks absolutely crazy. Simply because special operations are never carried out for the sake of PR. It is nonsense. And carrying out such an operation in an area of ​​increased attention and a certain readiness to counteract is not even stupidity, but a betrayal of personnel.


So it’s clear that the Ukrainian military man fired the first thing that came to mind. That’s not what they were going for at all, and thank God, the majority of people in Russia understand this. Send two dozen (okay, almost two) trained by the British (and it was the SAS who trained these tough guys) in order to stick the flag in and take a photo with it... Well, there’s only one question then: who to stick it in and where. Everything else is more or less clear.

Why SAS? Well, firstly, information about the training of the Ukrainian military within the walls of such a respected institution as the UK Special Operations Directorate was leaked, and secondly, during the reforms of the SO Directorate, the selection process for the SAS and SBS (Special Boat Service, the naval analogue of the SAS) was merged into a single program.


An indirect confirmation can be the fact that the main structure of the SBS is a “squad”, which consists of four “patrols” of four people. That is, a “squad” is 16 fighters. How many went to Crimea? These are such interesting coincidences.

And send such a detachment, and even one that has undergone VERY expensive training, where for one fighter there are 2-3 instructors and a dozen and a half people from the technical service?

You know, the satirist Zadornov once famously turned with the phrase “Well, stupid!”, but in our case we shouldn’t get carried away. SBS taking Ukrainian naval special forces under its wing is serious. British saboteurs are truly some of the best in the world and they have a tail of well-executed operations trailing behind them, like a rat.

After landing, a “squad” of 16 people can be divided into 4 “patrols”, and each of these groups can very quickly travel 30-50 kilometers from the landing site, and not just like that, but with a full combat load. And if there are also assistants at the landing point who will provide transport, then the groups can go very far.


For what? Well, this is very well written in stories.

For example, Operation Granby. This is already far back in 1991, when the Coalition was hammering the Iraqi troops that occupied Kuwait. The operation is not easy, and it is impossible to say that everything was unambiguous. But the principle of “how to make candy out of shit” was fully implemented by British commandos.

In general, the task was to destroy Iraqi installations with Scud missiles, things that were very unpleasant for any landing force. The task was entrusted to the American Delta Force, but they whined and asked for help from the British, citing the fact that the British had been familiar with the deserts of Kuwait for a long time. It's like the deserts are different.

Since the Iraqis smartly camouflaged their Scuds and only flew them at night, they could not be detected from the air. Therefore, it was decided to search with the help of mobile groups that were dropped in by helicopters, or the specialists themselves penetrated on pickup trucks and motorcycles.

In general, everything turned out to be useless, since the Iraqis simply got wind of the operation and the Scuds were simply sent back as soon as they realized that they could easily lose them. Both American and British specialists cut across the desert, came across Iraqi patrols, who quite logically began to catch them, entered into battles, and even several groups were defeated.

But it is impossible to say that everything was useless. Finding themselves in a classic situation for SAS fighters, the British began to do what they did in World War II in Africa - searching for airfields and directing nix there. And they did it “excellently”; at the airfields in the rear (that’s what the Iraqis thought), the commandos burned more planes and helicopters than the entire Coalition aviation. Well, really, why not carry the explosives back on yourself?

And one of the groups, taking advantage of the help of the local population, entered Iraqi territory and destroyed the Scud control center there. We worked on the assignment a little.


One can recall the work of the SAS against al-Qaeda in Afghanistan in 2001, when the largest operation since the Second World War was carried out. The target was an opium processing plant and a nearby factory for the production of equipment for suicide bombers, on the territory of which a logistics center was also located weapons center. Everything was underground, in caves and, of course, simply perfectly guarded.

They worked almost blindly, the area was quite deserted, and Al-Qaeda responded to the appearance of aircraft and UAVs by curtailing its production and quickly evacuating. The only thing we could count on was the help of the locals.

And under such conditions, Operation Trent was carried out. Eight special forces troops were dropped from a great height from the belly of the Hercules and prepared the runway for transport aircraft. 12 C-130s from the same Bagram airbase landed in the desert and dropped off an SAS company in jeeps, motorcycles and buggies.

The special forces traveled a 200-kilometer route, waited for American pilots to strike the area, and then began clearing the area. As a result, the objects were destroyed and the caves were cleared. True, the leaders of this place were able to leave it.

In general, during their “work” in Afghanistan, SAS special forces, together with their colleagues from American special forces, completed more than three dozen missions of various types.

"Row" (2003), when the paratroopers actually opened the way for troops to Basra, and then captured the road crossings across the border. "Moshtarak" (2010), when the Coalition tried to behead the Taliban. I tried - because it didn’t work out very well. “Toral” (2015), there, however, all the burden fell on the Afghans, but they were commanded by the British and Americans.

But it would be especially worth paying attention to the “work” of the union of the groups “Black” and “Delta Force” in Iraq during 2004 – 2008. The plan was good - to destroy the al-Qaeda leadership. Lime to the roots, so to speak. And almost two hundred covert specialists killed more than four thousand Iraqis in five years. Naturally, based on “intelligence”, absolutely without trial or investigation.

There were many scandals, everything was there: hostage taking, ransom demands, elimination of political and financial competitors. Well, specialists behaved in much the same way in other places: in addition to Iraq and Afghanistan, SAS were noted in Djibouti, Sierra Leone, Yemen, and Libya. And it is the SAS specialists who are credited with capturing Colonel Gaddafi.


To be fair, it is worth mentioning failures.

There was such an operation, “Gideon”. This is the year 2020, when certain forces decided to give a kick to President Maduro, who went a little (in the opinion of that side) in the wrong direction. But alas, the opposition, which insisted that all they had to do was start, and the whole country would throw Maduro into the dustbin of history, trivially deceived (it’s familiar, right?) the overthrowers.

In short: the “liberators” on high-speed boats were met on the shore by pickup trucks with heavy machine guns from the Venezuelan National Guard, and the “SEALs” were intercepted by Coast Guard ships.

In short, everyone gave up.

Such a long digression from the topic serves one purpose: to give a portrait of those who trained the Ukrainian special forces who stubbornly made their way to Crimea. Yes, when the situation is hopeless, the SAS and SВS specialists can raise their paws and start talking about abstract topics.

By the way, the training course includes countering technical interrogations. Perhaps there is a clause like “Show everyone that you are mentally disabled.”

But in essence, over 80 years, SAS and others like them have only shown that they are a very serious and absolutely ruthless enemy. And as we know, the apple doesn’t fall very far from the tree.

Understanding how both SAS and SВS work, we can draw one conclusion: they don’t just barge into that particular area. Apparently, “friends of friends” are waiting for them there, with transport, and perhaps even as guides. And these people are clearly from the current population of Crimea, with Russian passports and a seemingly impeccable past.

And to find such “sleepers” who are ready to help a sabotage group for a decent reward or (as an option) for a comfortable life in Europe... Sorry, in the current realities it is not only easy - it can be done effortlessly.

And it’s not that I want to indiscriminately accuse the entire population of Crimea. Of course not. There were those who did not want to change their ensign to the tricolor, and who left. And there were and are those who have nowhere to leave and don’t want to. Because everything acquired is here in Crimea. And there were more than enough such people at anti-Russian rallies in that memorable 2014, wasn’t there?

So, according to the style of work of SВS, the goal was not a photo shoot, but, most likely, coastal batteries of the Bastions or radar. Air defense facilities, whatever you want. What could the “patrol” reach with the help of the local population, who knows every path.

This is exactly how the SAS operated in Iraq and Libya. Exactly. And I don’t understand why their students should act differently.
But just like that, for the sake of a photo or two, even with an ensign on the “occupied” land of Crimea, to ruin a dozen and a half trained professionals - oh no, I don’t believe that. Yes, you can plan an operation poorly, as happened in Venezuela, everyone makes mistakes, but the experience of the British commandos - forgive me. It's even difficult to drink it.

The stars aligned in such a way that the Ukrainian students of the British commandos were unable to complete the task assigned to them. But it is already clear that they will continue to try to fulfill it. So, there is confidence in that. This means they are expected there, and they are expected for a reason.

And that’s why the Ukrainian military man is talking nonsense about a photo shoot. And it will continue to bring joy to many. Well, of course, they are so stupid... And the fact that this stupidity is the result of special training - who cares?

Something else is interesting (to smart people): what is the goal of the naval special forces in Crimea? And how long will the resources of the 73rd Naval Special Operations Center be? These are two very difficult questions, since any maritime specialist is the fruit of a long time of preparation. Very few countries can afford to train a naval special forces soldier in order to lose him in an ill-conceived operation.


And such units are not staffed with mobilized people recruited from the streets. Means? This means there is more than enough work for counterintelligence.

Let's think about this for a second: how many people must be involved in order for the “squad” to reach point X? I don’t know “seals” or “seals”, alas. There is a sniper. An ordinary sniper from the Airborne Forces. I asked him, by analogy, how many people should ensure that the sniper pair reaches the position? He replied that depending on the enemy, his literacy and training - from squad to platoon.

And how many people should work on the topic of landing a DRG by sea behind enemy lines?

Indeed, in addition to the usual technical specialists who are responsible for the delivery vehicles (boats, jet skis, etc.), the gunsmiths who take care of the weapons will also be not quite ordinary. That is, radio intelligence, satellite surveillance specialists, operators drones, signalmen. And – those who are responsible for working with agents. That is, by those very recruited assistants.

And here's one more thing. Moment of verification. These gentlemen from the same Fort Liberty (until 2023 we knew and respected it under the name Fort Bragg) or Hamworthy Barracks (this is SBS), more than intelligent masters of their sabotage business, they really do not like to lose their dear specialists in all plans . Therefore, they also do not really trust those recruited on the enemy side. There may (quite logically) be people from counterintelligence (which is what happened in Venezuela), or they may have been converted, and in general counterintelligence could have worked “excellently.”

To do this, reconnaissance is sent ahead of the landing group. Moreover, this is done as secretly as possible, that is, scuba divers on underwater delivery vehicles. And so they check the area for anything unnecessary, and then join the main group. In Venezuela, all this somehow did not work, but the point is that there is a protocol for action.


Two things can be taken away from this.

First: Crimea has been and will be a place of increased attention. As Putin’s personal project, as the main positive thing he accomplished during his long reign. And that’s why they won’t leave Crimea alone. The attacks will continue, and here it’s not even a question of what troops are stationed there and how many Black Sea Fleet ships are based, the question is also a political one.

Second: to regard the enemy as a herd of clinical idiots is sabotage. Yes, there are more than enough “gifted” people on the other side, but not all Ukrainian military personnel, and especially special forces, are such. And they have very good teachers who will do everything to ensure that their students do not disgrace their teachers.

If the enemy sends such large groups of trained specialists to Crimea, this is not being done for the sake of photo sessions, this is being done within the framework of certain plans. And DRGs are definitely accompanied by all possible technical means of support.

Crimea will continue to require increased attention, and our counter-operations specialists will have a lot of work to do here. Against a very prepared and trained opponent. We can only believe that our specialists are no worse, and even better than foreign ones.
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  1. +26
    16 October 2023 05: 08
    In general, exposing the enemy as a herd of clinical idiots is dangerous.

    A certain group of the population has such a sin; life teaches them nothing, since they themselves have the characteristics indicated in the quote. I personally have pointed out many times that the enemy, any enemy, including the Ukrainian troops, must be taken very seriously.
    1. old
      +6
      16 October 2023 06: 39
      I personally have pointed out many times that the enemy, any enemy, including the Ukrainian troops, must be taken very seriously.

      One saboteur was taken alive and even almost healthy. He said he was a simple soldier, but was quickly identified as a special operations officer. There is no doubt that he was handed over to the caring hands of our specialists in working with people like him and is already collaborating with the party that accepted him in a way that he had never collaborated with anyone before in his entire life..
      1. -10
        16 October 2023 07: 36
        But I think it’s time to introduce censorship on discussions of military operations.

        Dear Roman! Or maybe...maybe this was a planned operation by our military, connected with disinformation of the enemy?

        And here we are discussing the details...
        1. AAK
          +8
          16 October 2023 12: 06
          It is quite possible that the FSB or military counterintelligence actually carried out something like Operation Trojan Donkey before this raid by the DRG to Tarkhankut (this takes into account the Crimean specifics...:))), but there are some inconsistencies: the first - how- As a rule, the goal of such a reconnaissance game is the “quiet” capture of the DRG and subsequent combinations, however, taking into account the fact that the border guards were shooting back, and then the DRG was finished off by aviation - it was not a game, serious specialists on our side did not participate, and the wounded were taken prisoner. secondly, while ours cannot stop the activities of the operational bases of the power steering, which are located at the abandoned offshore facilities of Chernomorneftegaz, and there remained (if we count for all facilities) tens, if not hundreds of tons of diesel fuel, also tens of tons of fresh water, and a lot of different things , because The evacuation of people after two rocket attacks was carried out in a hurry, and material supplies were not removed. Also, these objects have quite comfortable living conditions, it is possible to hide your watercraft under the platforms, they will not be visible from the air... Well, the author’s references to the presence and use of local accomplices are quite justified: in the Black Sea region, on whose territory there were all landing attempts, as well as in the adjacent Saki and Razdolnensky districts, many Crimean Tatars live (and not all supporters of the former leadership of the Mejlis left Crimea, mainly radicals from the local Hizb-ut-Tahrir with their families and activists of the Mejlis), also, a significant number of “refugees” from “new entities” settled in Crimea, plus a very significant layer of “Chernomorneftegaz” ITR-sheep studied at the Ivano-Frankivsk Institute of Oil and Gas, with some of them the SBU and nationalists could easily work in those days structures, and in these areas there are a large number of small recreation centers and boarding houses where it is possible to temporarily accommodate “tourists” ...
    2. +12
      16 October 2023 09: 00
      Quote: Dimy4
      I personally have pointed out many times that the enemy, any enemy, including the Ukrainian troops, must be taken very seriously.

      I can’t even describe how much negativity this has raked out. Moreover, he explained with facts that our enemy is far from being successful, nothing helps. This is some kind of protective reflex, not to notice your mistakes.
      1. +6
        16 October 2023 10: 00
        I can’t even tell you how much negativity there is for this.

        The same garbage, they wrote that the villain was almost an agent of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
        1. +5
          16 October 2023 12: 05
          Quote: Dimy4
          The same garbage, they wrote that the villain was almost an agent of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

          And they called me TsIPSOta laughing
      2. +1
        17 October 2023 16: 19
        Quote: qqqq

        I can’t even describe how much negativity this has raked out. Moreover, he explained with facts that our enemy is far from being successful, nothing helps. This is some kind of protective reflex, not to notice your mistakes.

        Yeah... and this belittling of the enemy also affects the future. When will the next generation, which will know about the last war only from such propaganda, sincerely not understand - what was so difficult about defeating idiots?
        And after all, they have already stepped on this rake once with the textbook image of the enemy in the form of “drunken German machine gunners walking at full speed.”
        They forgot Simonov, they forgot...
        When would the monument be told to me
        To raise to all those who perished here in the desert
        I'd be on a granite hewn wall
        Put the tank with the sockets empty;

        I would dig it as it is,
        In holes, in torn iron sheets, -
        Nevayuschaya military honor
        There are in these scars, in charred wounds.

        Climbing high onto a pedestal
        Let, as a witness, confirm by right:
        Yes, victory was not easy for us.
        Yes, the enemy was brave.
        The more our glory
        .
      3. -1
        17 October 2023 18: 09
        I can’t even describe how much negativity this has raked out.

        The only thing worse than underestimating the enemy is overestimating him. This is not a joke, remember what any military propaganda broadcast (even the Wehrmacht, even the Red Army, even the Ukrainian Armed Forces): resistance is useless, give up. Convincing that you are great, so that the enemy gets scared, becomes despondent, or, best of all, runs away - this is the main goal of the information war. And I read a lot of this here at VO, not in the sense that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are cool, in the sense that the RA is no good, the General Staff is mediocrity, everything was stolen, polymers were about.. or. Maybe you were downvoted for this?
        Conclusion the enemy's assessment must be ADEQUATE.

        Regarding the article, everything looks logical.
        Yes, specialists are not idiots to waste themselves on such purposes.
        However, look at the meat storms, there shouldn’t be idiots there either.
        And the very idea of ​​seizing, if not Crimea, then Marik with such forces, is also idiotic.
        It's just more complicated. This war is being waged very much in the information field, and the flag of Ukraine against the backdrop of Sevastopol and something burning in the background may very well be more important than the destroyed “bastion”.
    3. +5
      16 October 2023 09: 44
      -You can only believe that our specialists are no worse, and even better than foreign ones.
      In Soviet times, Vympel had no equal (criminally disbanded by Yeltsin).
      I think that Ukraine also got a lot of instructors. That is, continuity (which is very important) remains.
      And then Western specialists got involved.
      The author is UNDOUBTEDLY right—his ears must be on top of his head.
      PS After the collapse of the USSR, many residents of Western Ukraine moved to Crimea. And the flow of vacationers (even after the Maidan) to Crimea from there did not dry up.
    4. +8
      16 October 2023 11: 19
      Quote: Dimy4
      In general, exposing the enemy as a herd of clinical idiots is dangerous.

      This problem did not appear yesterday.
      The enemy image paradox is a problem that any propaganda faces when trying to create a convincing enemy image.

      This paradox consists of the following. The enemy must be dangerous, treacherous and powerful enough to necessary there was a fight. But at the same time safe, stupid and weak enough to be against him can there was a fight.

      If you go too far in glorifying the enemy, the fight will seem hopeless. If you go too far with his humiliation, it will seem unnecessary.

      Therefore, the result is a strange creature - at the same time majestic and insignificant, terrible and pitiful, cunning and childishly naive. It is about to fall apart - but it is about to capture us. He is a stupid nonentity - but he is an insidious schemer. His subjects groan under his tyranny - but at the same time they are stupid, bloodthirsty non-humans. An inept or novice propagandist simply lumps all the cliches of the image of the enemy into one pile, thereby collecting a bunch of mutually exclusive paragraphs, and becomes a deserved target for ridicule - both in the propaganda of the opposite side and from neutral observers.
    5. +1
      16 October 2023 21: 20
      But if the enemies are so smart, then why did they first launch a clearly visible drone, and then two missiles? They also took off on jet skis! After all, it was possible to sail quietly in scuba gear like Papanov. Or take the Kyiv-Donetsk bus.
  2. +1
    16 October 2023 05: 14
    We can only believe that our specialists are no worse, and even better than foreign ones.
    And apparently, it is so!
  3. +15
    16 October 2023 05: 28
    Second: to regard the enemy as a herd of clinical idiots is sabotage.

    Greater sabotage is to threaten an armed enemy with your finger, limiting yourself in the forces and means of confrontation. It’s also stupid to entertain yourself with the illusion that everything will resolve on its own or to pin hopes on the fact that the enemy’s forces should dry up.
    There is experience in waging a previous war against a similar enemy. There are proven repressive and punitive measures against the opposing side. But what’s more important for us is:
    “We won’t do this, because we are not like that...”
    Who do you want to scare with a stream of words and puffed out cheeks? Or is there some special hope placed on the UN Security Council? The same one who ignored the contents of Powell's test tube...
    * * *
    The most difficult and bitter feeling of awareness of hopelessness comes during an endless process that has no “light at the end of the tunnel.”
  4. +4
    16 October 2023 05: 51
    But one saboteur was caught.

    Yes, they already caught the second one, though in the style of “Daddy, daddy, our nets brought in a dead man...”
    1. 0
      16 October 2023 18: 20
      Yes, we didn’t catch enough. Where are the others? Is it possible that some of them dived with diving equipment and other devices and secretly surfaced on the shores of Crimea? It could very well be. It’s too somehow wrong and not just like that.
      1. +2
        16 October 2023 21: 27
        Is it possible that some of them dived with diving equipment and other devices and secretly surfaced on the shores of Crimea?

        Technically, scuba diving to the Crimean coast at a distance of more than 4 kilometers from the west is excluded.
        I explain.
        There is a powerful countercurrent that will take you to the underworld. To put it simply, a mini-Gulf Stream that will throw you to the coast of Bulgaria (if you have enough breathing tubes/cylinders).
        I don't think I've discovered the secret. Anyone who has dived near Tarkhankut knows this joke.

        PS Due to the difference in water density, you will be pulled even deeper. Hm. If I know this, then professionals - even more so smile
        1. 0
          17 October 2023 16: 34
          I don’t know, I didn’t swim in those places. However, there are also underwater tugs that can easily overcome the current.
    2. 0
      16 October 2023 21: 15
      Yes, it seems like they caught two, one at once, and the second one swam for a week
  5. +4
    16 October 2023 06: 30
    I think that we can assume: 1) our counterintelligence has competencies that allow it to calculate options no worse than you; 2) the interrogation scene was staged by SBS, which didn’t believe a word of it; 3) a saboteur who is captured is offered an alternative: simply captivity or 20 years on charges of terrorism; 4) it was also explained to him, and he himself knows it, that if it is confirmed that he is an officer of an elite unit, then they will not get rid of him and will receive information one way or another. That's all for now.
    1. +5
      16 October 2023 07: 58
      No one will stand on ceremony with the captive Ukrainian, they will make a blizzard about selfies, they will stuff them with chemicals, I think that it will not come to “wood carving”.
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  7. +8
    16 October 2023 07: 14
    Thank you, Roman, for your analysis of SAS actions in preparation for invasion operations.
    Let’s try to analyze with a cool head, why the Armed Forces of Ukraine and their curators need this.
    1) PR - action.
    The prospects here are not rich. Let’s say the “ensign bearers” landed, they were greeted with towels by local khans, a liberation holiday... and!?
    - Russian orcs arrived and shot everyone (Bucha-2), but this requires appropriate media support from “independent media” - unrealistic;
    - the waiters rose up all over Crimea (which requires the creation of mass caches and the deployment of coordinators) and went to take Sevastopol. It will end with the defeat of the underground and a mass purge of Ukrainian sympathizers.
    So the PR campaign is futile.
    2) Preparation of a massive invasion from the Black Sea coast of Ukraine.
    The question is both with the availability of these forces and with the means of delivery, support and supply of the landing force. Nothing but the destruction of the landing group, the sinking of reinforcements during the transfer and the remote defeat of the main forces in the concentration areas will be achieved.
    3) The deployment of sabotage groups to disrupt the air defense of the peninsula under the cover of demonstration landings.
    Perhaps, but sending high-level specialists for deliberate slaughter is a dubious idea. Unless the end justifies any means. Serious goals include reservoirs, the Tavricheskaya and Balaklava thermal power plants, the Crimean Bridge and the energy transition. But all this can only work in combination with almost synchronous destruction/incapacity.
    So here too, the task is clearly beyond our strength.
    There is only one thing left - an attempt to throw dust in the eyes of sponsors to maintain funding. Also of little use. Fools mostly appear on their television screens, and decisions are made by completely different people.
    In any case, the training base for naval saboteurs of the Ukrainian Armed Forces must be liquidated along with its personnel, including instructors. Eliminated by ANY means without warning in the form of rainbow lines.
    1. -1
      16 October 2023 13: 17
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      Fools mostly appear on their television screens, and decisions are made by completely different people.

      So they made these decisions - to land and demonstrate the “successes of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the counter-offensive.” So that the sponsors don't drop out.
      And the fools - let's go do it and flash it on the screens... and on Russian ones. Because they are fools.
  8. +9
    16 October 2023 07: 36
    There is such a cape in Crimea - Tarkhankut (the bearers of the yellow-blakit ensign were “inflamed with love” for it). This is the westernmost point of the peninsula. A very important point for control of the western hemisphere, and in Soviet times this was well understood. They understood so well that many tens of kilometers of the coastal strip were a forbidden zone for many decades (and also for kilometers inland). Air defense systems and observation posts were located there.

    Now the situation is reversed. Shalman-Malman, holiday homes large and small, diving clubs, beaches and other benefits of tourist infrastructure with excellent access by car. All of the above are “eyes” and “ears”. Lots and lots of eyes and ears. Logically, at least for the duration of the SVO, suspend all this activity. No, there is no need to demolish anything. Seal and allow owners to check the safety of property in person, using a pre-ordered pass. Here's what to do to get started. And it would also be nice to place a couple of security companies from Buryatia in the barracks. And the men will visit the sea and won’t have to worry about the land part of the coast.

    PS Very good article and written with an understanding of the issue.
    1. +5
      16 October 2023 10: 29
      benefits of tourist infrastructure with excellent access by car. All of the above are “eyes” and “ears”. Lots and lots of eyes and ears. Logically, at least for the duration of the SVO, suspend all this activity.

      M.b. they will do so, but for now this coast is like Velcro for flies. They catch people using it - not only the “aliens”, but also those who meet them.
  9. +4
    16 October 2023 07: 55
    Why such difficulties? You can easily enter Crimea under the guise of a tourist. And the weapon can probably be sent at least via dem.
    1. +3
      16 October 2023 08: 06
      And the weapon can probably be sent at least via Dek

      It is unlikely smile
  10. Des
    +3
    16 October 2023 07: 55
    Nice to read. A model for many authors on VO.
  11. +4
    16 October 2023 08: 15
    Maybe a small quibble. In half of the photos there are Australians, although this may not matter at all..
  12. 0
    16 October 2023 08: 16
    the enemy sends such large groups of trained specialists to Crimea - this is not done for the sake of photo sessions, this is done within the framework of certain plans. And DRGs are definitely accompanied by all possible technical means of support

    +100! And how many such groups were sent and not noticed (not necessarily by sea), and how many more will be unknown...
  13. Eug
    +1
    16 October 2023 08: 37
    A very interesting experience in planning complex linked operations (even if some were unsuccessful). For some reason I am sure that this landing also had several of them, the most “harmless” of them was announced.
  14. +1
    16 October 2023 09: 09
    That's right. Crimea is a key point. The Russian-Turkish wars, the Crimean War are not just like that. All our enemies have always had an interest there.
  15. -2
    16 October 2023 09: 24
    So many big words, dammit. But all the author needs to do is go to Crimea in general and Tarkhankut in particular to understand two simple things:
    - the entire coast of Crimea is covered with defense lines except Tarkhankut;
    - Tarkhankut is reefs; in order to go into the sea to take a dip, you have to weave about 150 meters between the reefs in slippers. You can disembark there only from a jet ski or from a light inflatable boat, and then only very carefully. No large landing craft will get through there. Then there is the steppe, fields and to the nearest village - 15 kilometers on foot through the bare steppe without armored vehicles. And there is nothing else there except the lighthouse, which is well guarded. So the landing force has nothing to do there except take a photo at the “cup of love.” And yet, yes, the saboteurs sailed there precisely for this.
    1. +10
      16 October 2023 09: 34
      Tarkhankut is reefs; to go into the sea to take a dip, you have to weave about 150 meters between the reefs in slippers.

      Have you confused Tarkhankut with Egypt? If not, it means that you don’t know Tarkhankut well smile

      PS I say this with reason because... I’ve been diving there for over four decades now.
      PSS With the steppe, your understanding is also “so-so”. There are a lot of different beams there for every taste and size.
      1. -1
        16 October 2023 15: 58
        No worries, I was there this summer. Show me a photo?)))
        1. 0
          16 October 2023 16: 44
          No worries, I was there this summer. Show me a photo?)))

          Yes, I believe you, no photos needed. It's great that you had good impressions.
          1. +1
            16 October 2023 17: 43
            Crimea is amazing. And for me personally, the question of whose he is is finally closed. I think that every Russian should go there and communicate with Crimean residents. And in Novorossiya, drive through Mariupol. A lot of questions will be answered.
            1. 0
              16 October 2023 23: 24
              And for me personally, the question of whose he is is finally closed.

              Happy for you.
              You know, I'm interested in coins. I'm particularly interested in the 1687 "coinage".
              At this time, the Black Sea was being dug
  16. 0
    16 October 2023 10: 01
    Those. Our counterintelligence officers are idiots. What if they pretend to believe this nonsense? Remember Operation Trust?
  17. +1
    16 October 2023 10: 39
    “All the military in the world, to put it mildly, overestimate their merits. Well, just to get an order instead of a medal, and instead of an order - an Order,” as many journalists overestimate their competence, well, just to get more dough. Payment is line-by-line. Why not pee for money? The paper will endure anything, even if he is a complete idiot in the subject.
  18. 0
    16 October 2023 10: 42
    They worked almost blindly, the area was quite deserted, and Al-Qaeda responded to the appearance of aircraft and UAVs by curtailing its production and quickly evacuating. The only thing we could count on was the help of the locals.

    Yeah, blindly... The entire Tora Bora was planted on lighthouses by French legionnaires. But Bin Laden escaped the day before...
  19. +2
    16 October 2023 11: 56
    4th, 5th, 6th, 8th pictures - Australians! There is not a word about them in the article... smile
    1. 0
      16 October 2023 13: 01

      4th, 5th, 6th, 8th pictures - Australians! There’s not a word about them in the article... what’s the point?

      Illustrations to the point. He doesn’t write about our naval special forces, but about foreign ones.
      Based on his examples and logic, he lays it out.

      PS It would probably be the height of cretinism to publish photographs of our combat swimmers wearing harnesses with technical equipment.
      1. 0
        17 October 2023 18: 16
        SAS units, besides Britain, are present in the Armed Forces of Australia and New Zealand... And, due to local specifics, their tasks and training differ. Since the site has a military orientation, “type” and “kakbe” are hardly acceptable...
        - What row are our swimmers here?
  20. +1
    16 October 2023 12: 08
    My respect to Roman hi Good thoughts. I hope that they are also present in the minds of those who work on this topic. Yes, I'm almost sure of that.
  21. +4
    16 October 2023 12: 11
    And it’s not that I want to indiscriminately accuse the entire population of Crimea. Of course not. There were those who did not want to change their ensign to the tricolor, and who left. And there were and are those who have nowhere to leave and don’t want to. Because everything acquired is here in Crimea. And there were more than enough such people at anti-Russian rallies in that memorable 2014, wasn’t there?

    Who are they, the Crimean "waiters"?
    From what was leaked to the press - a small business that we have been growing for 30 years with varying success.
    Until 2014 - pay “whoever needs it” and do what you want within the framework defined by “concepts”.
    After 2014, when we arrived, there were all sorts of registrations, taxes, demolition of unauthorized buildings, and so on. Well, who will like it?
  22. 0
    16 October 2023 12: 50
    There is no doubt that the frogmen went out to kill, not to mark the golf course with flags followed by selfies and barbecues.
  23. +1
    16 October 2023 13: 01
    The key difference is not indicated - Western operations always imply a return evacuation, it is immediately obvious that if it was not possible to get out immediately, then there will be no return evacuation. So yes, this is exactly it - “a herd of clinical idiots”, those who won’t immediately raise their paws, that’s for sure. But clinical idiots also need to be taken seriously - in fact, no one would laugh at a psycho waving a hammer on the street, saying “oh, how funny, look, he’s coming towards me,” but these idiots have more dangerous weapons.
    1. 0
      16 October 2023 13: 31
      Western operations always involve reverse evacuation

      I saw it in feature films. In the documentary, only those unfortunates who clung to the chassis of the Galaxy transport on its way to the train from Afghanistan.
  24. +2
    16 October 2023 14: 55
    If there is a prisoner, then with some desire and skill he will tell everything, even the number of cockroaches in the English toilet in which they were trained.
    Everything else is artistic creation.
  25. -2
    16 October 2023 17: 50
    Quote: qqqq
    that

    Quote: qqqq
    Quote: Dimy4
    I personally have pointed out many times that the enemy, any enemy, including the Ukrainian troops, must be taken very seriously.

    I can’t even describe how much negativity this has raked out. Moreover, he explained with facts that our enemy is far from being successful, nothing helps. This is some kind of protective reflex, not to notice your mistakes.

    Yes, I’m also tired of writing happy posts. There are so many sayings about don’t tell the gop until he has jumped over, sharing the skin of an unkilled bear, etc. , but the people remained as stupid as they were. “yes, we are right now with one left”, “everyone is afraid!”, “into the radioactive sand of everyone!”
    There are still little people in power who fuel these sentiments. They put people to sleep. To think less. More beer for everyone and not enough football. And then wow! A shell famine here, a regrouping there, an agreement for a snack!
  26. 0
    16 October 2023 18: 01
    And we didn’t cope with this role so well, because we only caught one.
    Actually, later they demonstrated two floating corpses in hydrikas.
  27. 0
    16 October 2023 19: 34
    Ukrainian students of British commandos

    they are expected there, and they are expected for a reason.

    These are the waiters in Yalta

    They say one was fined 40 rubles.
    1. 0
      16 October 2023 21: 49
      At the Sevastopol “Outpost” (sevastopol.su), don’t be lazy to leave a link to this photo. The defendants will get the worst of it. I promise.

      PS Moderators. I know, I know about the links. This is the essence of the issue. Thank you.
  28. 0
    16 October 2023 20: 21
    “Are we all really supposed to believe that Ukrainian special forces specialists with good ranks tried to land in Crimea to stage a PR stunt?”
    What is there to believe/not to believe... Today our people have been in the Black Sea area more than once.
    I also say to the welder, did you hear “shuddered”? Have you heard? Oh, then escho.
    Oh, this... figure plugged his ears and we’re playing music. Yes?!. Speaks.
    Well, apparently there are exercises going on... love
    1. 0
      16 October 2023 23: 31
      Today our fans were in the Black Sea area

      Here you are "rushing". Just to speak out. What a shame. Crimean, damn it.
  29. 0
    16 October 2023 21: 00
    Already wrote. Do Britons have an increased interest in Crimea, the Crimean Bridge? This means that Russia needs to have an increased interest in the British Isles themselves and their underwater Eurotunnel. And also to the Falkland Islands. Not directly, of course, using all sorts of proxies, but the Britons should be extremely clear that this is not a one-sided game. But given the love for London of quite a few “patriots” of Russia, their families, children, real estate in Britain, and at the same time their capabilities and influence, then we have what we have.
  30. 0
    16 October 2023 21: 34
    In general, exposing the enemy as a herd of clinical idiots is dangerous.
    But it is in great demand by official and “gray” agitprop, as well as by people who are not used to thinking for themselves...
  31. -1
    16 October 2023 23: 27
    Crimea... . As Putin's personal project...

    And I thought that the “Russian Spring” was raised by local pro-Russian citizens “from below”. But it turned out that Putin came up with everything.
    1. 0
      17 October 2023 03: 22
      But it turned out that Putin came up with everything


      Volframych told VVP that “the issue with Crimea must be resolved.”
  32. 0
    17 October 2023 17: 38
    I give the article a standing ovation! good and I take my hat off hi
    That's right! All! There are a lot of dissatisfied people in Crimea... Just remember the Tatar nationalists... The center of the peninsula, sorry, but behind them... And it seems to me that this is not the first group of saboteurs there... Just one got caught... That's all... By the way, the likelihood of a mass landing should not be rejected either.. The fleet left Sevastopol... The fact that our drying gun fired at the boat does not mean at all that it sank it.... And if there are more than one or even a dozen boats... And, for example, a couple of thousand? Do you think they won’t collect as much from the marinas in Odessa and Nikolaev? They collect... Yes, on every tenth MANPADS... Or ATGM... Yes, even the same Brimstone... Yes, with the local nationalist uprising.... I'm afraid that Kadyrov's men will not help here...
  33. -2
    17 October 2023 21: 07
    A huge amount of infuriating chatter that the author has collected from publicly known resources. He has mastered the operation of copying texts, congratulations. What is your idea in the article? No. Absolutely not. Complete zero. A call to military specialists not to be stupid? If they are stupid, we are screwed, and the situation cannot be corrected with an article. A call to the average person not to be average, but suddenly, after reading this fateful article, suddenly start thinking? But the author’s navel won’t untie itself, should I set such tasks for myself?
    But this, of course, is not an attempt to make money on anything, without working, but simply by running control C control B for about twenty minutes with a hangover? Surely not?