Destruction of the myth. Why Israel's defense system didn't work

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Destruction of the myth. Why Israel's defense system didn't work

For several days now, there has been a discussion on various platforms about what happened in Israel? Today only the lazy do not talk about the failure of the defense system of the Jewish state. As well as the destruction of many myths about this country. Myths so widespread that even many of our fellow citizens believed in them, and some continue to believe.

I even think that no matter what happens next, such as the severe destruction of Palestinian cities in the Gaza Strip and the complete destruction or displacement of Palestinians from the region, the Arab victory has already occurred. The myth about the inaccessibility of borders, the strength of the army and the belligerence of the Israelis has been destroyed.



Now even those who simply did not believe in the possibility of defeating Israel and creating a Palestinian state by military means will go over to the radical camp. Not all, but many. Soon enough we will see the emergence of new alliances and associations in the Arab world. We are witnessing a real change in the balance of political and military forces in the region.

This war will shed much more blood than all previous ones. And not only the blood of Arabs and Israelis, but also of representatives of other states. This is already clear if you carefully read the statements of American and Western leaders. Many people have probably noticed a change in the rhetoric of such statements. If you compare it with what they said about the SVO, it’s the complete opposite.

I can’t help but notice the huge spit in our direction that the Israelis made involuntarily. The spitting is quite offensive for us. Israel called up 300 reservists in two (!) days. But most importantly, they all received new military equipment, modern weapon and heavy weapons. I can’t help but remember our partial mobilization...

Failure of Israeli intelligence services


Let's try to figure out what really happened and why MOSSAD and Shin Bet (Shin Bet) did not fulfill the tasks assigned to them?

Why are intelligence and counterintelligence in a puddle? I would say that most of the deaths of Israelis in the first couple of days of the war were on the conscience of the leaders of these very organizations.

I'll start with the missile attack, which practically demoralized the country. The 50 years that have passed since the start of the Yom Kippur War have accustomed us to the idea that the Israeli aviation, and sometimes special forces, periodically carry out operations to destroy the production and storage sites of rockets belonging to Hamas. The world has long come to terms with the fact that Israelis can do things that others cannot. I mean that the strikes were carried out on the territory of other states.

Naturally, the Israelis closely monitored not only the sites of missile production and storage, but also controlled any supplies of raw materials. Missile materials have also been targeted by Israeli Air Force fighters.

The question arises: where did the several thousand missiles that were launched by the Arabs come from? Not tens, not hundreds, but thousands of missiles!

No less interesting are other facts that are already known.

For example, operators drones. And the drones themselves. After all, it was the drones that practically destroyed the guard towers of the oporniks and thereby destroyed the automatic machine guns located there. One grenade and the firing point is disabled. We saw what happened next in numerous videos. The soldiers were simply slaughtered like sheep...

What, Israeli specialists didn’t study the war in Ukraine? Didn’t know that such weapons are quite effective? If you didn’t know, then you need to drive away such specialists with a filthy broom. And if they knew and did not attach any importance to this, did not track the operator training centers and drone delivery routes, then according to the laws of war...

There are quite a lot of such jambs. The same paragliders, for example. Back in the now distant 70s of the last century, this method of landing was considered quite seriously. But for some reasons, which will be discussed later, this method of delivering troops behind enemy lines was used only by a fairly small circle of specialists.

It is quite simple to prepare a skydiver with some jumping experience to work with a paraglider. And it won't take much time. A couple of weeks of intensive training. And if the task at hand requires mass participation, then even less. True, the injury rate will increase sharply. Well?..

Again, video... Soldiers beautifully flying from the sky, pouring fire from small arms on the ground... Show me that civilian, and military man too, who will adequately react to such a spectacle. And even in urban areas. Could the Israeli police, and it was the police there, effectively resist such a landing? No!

But the army units, upon receiving the relevant information from intelligence, would have cut this landing force into carcasses while still in the air... But, judging by the development of events, the special services did not provide such information. They didn't know or didn't care...

I repeat, there are many such jambs. A lot for such rich and high-tech intelligence services.

It is clear that we will soon hear versions of why Israel was not ready for the attack. Including versions from employees of MOSSAD and Shin Bet. I won’t comment on what I haven’t heard yet. I'll just ask a few questions that will be interesting to get answers to.

So, why did the intelligence network of both intelligence services not notice the preparation of the attack?

Even a schoolchild understands that the larger the operation, the more people are involved in its preparation. Hence, the probability of information leakage increases exponentially. There will definitely be a “long tongue” that somewhere, in front of someone, will blurt out some information...

Further. What did other specialists do? For example, radio intelligence?

During the preparation of the operation, it is still possible to somehow ensure radio silence. But after it started, the broadcast should have simply burst with the number of messages.

What about cell phones? Didn't the concentration of telephones in one place alarm employees? Didn't the appearance of new code words on air alert you?

Well, for a snack.

Is there no electronic warfare in Israel? How were the attackers' actions coordinated? Flags or whistles? Or did they still have means of communication that could be suppressed?

No offense to the Israelis, we know very well that Israeli intelligence works very closely with American and European intelligence. There is a good exchange of information there. So, we can say with confidence that Israeli intelligence officers and counterintelligence officers are sitting in the shit together with the Americans, British, Germans, French and others... They are sitting with their ears and eyes covered with the appropriate substance...

The army overslept many of its soldiers


In addition to specialists, there are also questions for the Israeli army.

It is known that in the border areas, where clashes occurred quite regularly, trained professionals served. Conscripts serve in the interior of the country. And the Arabs passed through these elite fighters like a hot knife through butter. I’m wondering, if this is the elite, then who serves there, in these deepest regions?

Any serviceman understands perfectly well that regulations are written in blood. But what did we see in reality? We saw the practical implementation of a saying that Soviet boys knew from childhood. There is no trick against scrap! The border was simply destroyed with tractors and other improvised means. No electronics can resist scrap.

Army reaction? Zero!

Next is the first line of defense.

There was nothing new here either, except for the aforementioned paragliders. “Shaitan arba”, a modern cart, a jeep with a machine gun... After breaking the border, the road is clear. There are simply no soldiers there! Up to ten kilometers of free space. Do what you want. Israeli soldiers sit at posts and military bases.

Everyone knows where they are located. And about the fact that they are practically not guarded, that is, there is no guard there, either. The warriors are actually on the LBS without any external security! The Israelis are saved by automation. I wrote above what happens to it after regular grenades are dropped. Just like what happened to the soldiers...

The “carts” are moving on... There are large military bases there! For example, Kerem Shalom. The situation is almost the same as at the posts. There is no security. Complete pioneer camp. They threw grenades at the outer guards and... The soldiers were destroyed in the same way as at the posts. Plus trophies. Tanks, armored personnel carriers...

So how should we treat the Israeli generals after this? Knowing that Israel will flood the land with the blood of civilians?

Butchers...

Very briefly about the future


I'll start with one question that was asked to me right while writing this material.

The question sounded like this. Ukrainian intelligence, through the mouth of its leader, put forward the version that Ukrainian weapons, previously supplied to Kiev by the West, ended up in the hands of the Arabs after they were captured by the Russian Army as trophies, is this possible?

The answer is no.

This could not happen in principle due to completely objective reasons. This has nothing to do with our desires and our wants. I’ll answer briefly why. For those interested, checking the information is quite simple.

Since 2016, Turkey has been carrying out convoys to the Gaza Strip in agreement with the Israeli government! Erdogan was very proud that all the conditions that Ankara put forward were met. Everything that was supplied to Gaza went only through Turkey!

The question arises about Qatar. So there is only money and nothing more.

Thus, the ruling party of Turkey and Hamas, members of the Muslim Brotherhood group, interacted. Knowing the “wisdom” of Erdogan and his close contacts with Kiev, we can guess where the arms supplies for Hamas came from.

The Turkish president does not have such relations with Russia. Whether it's good or bad doesn't matter at all.

Now about the future.

Above all, this will be the bloodiest war this region has experienced. Israel now needs to prove its power. It is necessary to intimidate the neighbors...

It is likely that the war will soon turn into a regional one. The West really needs Iran to disarm a little. There is no other state in the region that can challenge Iran.

I will say more: what is happening there now is much more serious than what is happening in Ukraine. Ukraine ceases to be the center of confrontation between East and West...
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  1. +16
    11 October 2023 04: 03
    because that was the plan. so that Hamas inflicts serious one-time damage, which will untie Israel's hands. The United States took into account the experience of Iraq and now does not invent evidence, but in various ways forces its opponents to attack. it was enough for Hamas to give a little more money so that they would buy weapons and think that this would help them
    1. +2
      11 October 2023 04: 54
      Well...It's one thing to arm Hamas, but the lack of combat readiness of the Israelis is another thing! Here they found themselves in a big mess... Now they concentrated and will show Kuzka’s mother to the whole world.
      1. +10
        11 October 2023 11: 39
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Well...It's one thing to arm Hamas, but the lack of combat readiness of the Israelis is another thing! Here they found themselves in a big mess... Now they concentrated and will show Kuzka’s mother to the whole world.

        The Arabs know that on Friday evening, with the onset of Shabbat, military bases are empty, all the male soldiers in lowered pants with their butts sticking out and with huge backpacks are going home with joyful screams. The female ones with huge nails that clearly interfere with pressing the trigger and with dragging dusty asphalt with an M-4 and M16 barrel, you can also see the fashion for loosening the weapon belt, and everyone is decreasing in the same way. Apparently there are only hijackers left there and no one has anywhere to go. Aaron won't let you lie.
        1. +2
          11 October 2023 15: 14
          Quote: Grigory Remarque
          Aaron won't let you lie.

          Which "Aaron" is this?
          From Kibbutz Maale Aaron?
      2. man
        +6
        11 October 2023 12: 34
        Well...It's one thing to arm Hamas, but the lack of combat readiness of the Israelis is another thing! Here they ended up in a big mess....
        They were simply sacrificed. "The end justifies the means."
      3. TIR
        +1
        11 October 2023 15: 02
        It's good when the enemy believed your myths. Woe to those who believe their myths
      4. +1
        11 October 2023 21: 08
        Well, it’s just inspired by Pearl Harbor 1941..and everything repeats itself..sudden attack_fleet (army) caught with their pants down..day of SHAME..and the response of Hiroshima & Nagasaki..am I the only one who has a feeling of De_ja_vu isn’t it???
      5. -1
        12 October 2023 08: 50
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        and another thing is the lack of combat readiness of the Israelis

        In order for the picture to be convincing, it must be properly watered with blood. Sparing no one.
    2. +10
      11 October 2023 05: 21
      How do you imagine the implementation of this “cunning plan”? :))))
      It should include hundreds of people: the US Presidential Administration, the US Department of Defense, the CIA, the NSA, the same from Israel: Netanyahu and his assistants, the Israeli Defense Ministry, its intelligence services, intelligence services, etc.

      And all these people should be absolutely in unison, not give any leaks, not perform their functions to prevent Hamas from preparing for the operation and do nothing for the first couple of days?

      You understand that this is completely unrealistic. As do 99% of other conspiracy theories, by the way.

      Everything is much simpler: Israel and the United States stupidly “slept through” the preparation and attack.
      The IDF imagines itself above the “rabble in slippers.” Meanwhile, this “rabble” carefully studied videos from Ukraine and actively stocked up on Averika guns and Chinese drones.
      1. +3
        11 October 2023 08: 15
        -Everything is much simpler.
        No. The security system was completely turned off... And only those “who were sitting next to the Israeli intelligence services” could do this.
        And now (my opinion) the most interesting thing. The Yankees have elections soon. The Democrats have scanty chances.
        Covid 19 "demolished" Trump and Co. Ukraine did not live up to the hopes of Biden and Co. We need to do something urgently.
        And the gaze of the “Democratic bankers” fell on the PERMANENT allies of the Republicans, led by Trump’s friend...
      2. +5
        11 October 2023 11: 07
        Quote: Denis812
        How do you imagine the implementation of this “cunning plan”?

        I don’t claim to be the truth, but this thought crept in. One of the Israelis said (or let it slip) that this event is tantamount to the September 11 event in the states. This is how the event of September 11 is interpreted by conspiracy theorists in terms of a provocation for further expansion by America of other regions without explaining their actions, and in their own country they adopted laws against this background not to protect the population, but to strengthen control and restrictions. So, anything in this world can happen, especially for those who live under the United States.
        PS: This is not even a personal opinion, but a suspicion that this is also possible with the goal of squeezing out the neighbors’ territory and annexing it to one’s own.
        1. man
          +4
          11 October 2023 12: 09
          Quote: NIKNN
          Quote: Denis812
          How do you imagine the implementation of this “cunning plan”?

          I don’t claim to be the truth, but this thought crept in. One of the Israelis said (or let it slip) that this event is tantamount to the September 11 event in the states. This is how the event of September 11 is interpreted by conspiracy theorists in terms of a provocation for further expansion by America of other regions without explaining their actions, and in their own country they adopted laws against this background not to protect the population, but to strengthen control and restrictions. So, anything in this world can happen, especially for those who live under the United States.
          PS: This is not even a personal opinion, but a suspicion that this is also possible with the goal of squeezing out the neighbors’ territory and annexing it to one’s own.

          Finally! And I don’t have a suspicion, but a firm belief that what happened September 11th in Hebrew! By the way, why didn’t the story develop about how Egyptian (!!!) intelligence warned Israel that Hamas was up to something in the near future? Didn't believe it or didn't want to hear it?
          1. +1
            11 October 2023 16: 49
            Quote: mann
            By the way, why didn’t the story develop about how Egyptian (!!!) intelligence warned Israel that Hamas was up to something in the near future? Didn't believe it or didn't want to hear it?

            Yesterday I read that Israel asked the United States about the Egyptian warning, they, based on data from their intelligence services, responded that nothing was happening, just fuss, nothing unusual, everything was as always, in short, they reassured us. I find this strange too.
        2. +4
          11 October 2023 16: 04
          The events of last Saturday in Israel, as well as September 11, as well as Budenovsk, as well as the Terrorist Attack on Dubrovka in Moscow and like thousands of other tragic events, are stupidly continued by the special services.
          You can, of course, shout that Netanyahu personally cut off all the surveillance cameras in Gaza, and meanwhile Biden slipped sleeping pills into the coffee of Israeli soldiers.
          We can say that Yeltsin brought explosives to Guryanov Street in Moscow, and Sergeev detonated them.

          You can come up with a lot of things if you are bored and have nothing to do.

          But the reality is much simpler - the soldier fell asleep at his post, the local police officer did not go around the basements, the analyst did not recognize the terrorists in the faces in the photographs, the President thought, “Perhaps he will screw it up.”
          Stupid laxity, carelessness, unprofessionalism on one side. And the will + skill + LUCK of the other side.

          That's all.
          1. man
            0
            11 October 2023 16: 38
            You can, of course, shout that Netanyahu personally cut off all the surveillance cameras in Gaza, and meanwhile Biden slipped sleeping pills into the coffee of Israeli soldiers.
            Let's respect each other and not lead to absurdity! Although as a method it works on unassuming people
            1. 0
              12 October 2023 06: 19
              Let's respect each other and not lead to absurdity!

              That's what I'm talking about too. :) Let's be realistic and not believe in flat earths and conspiracy theories.
              And, by the way, reduction to the point of absurdity is a completely normal technique. Because at a low level a person may not understand what nonsense he is saying, but increase the “degree” of his statement and you will help him see the inconsistency of his logic.
          2. man
            0
            11 October 2023 16: 41
            But the reality is much simpler - the soldier fell asleep at his post, the local police officer did not go around the basements, the analyst did not recognize the terrorists in the faces in the photographs, the President thought, “Perhaps he will screw it up.”
            Stupid laxity, carelessness, unprofessionalism on one side.

            Simultaneously??? Then it's an epidemic
            1. 0
              12 October 2023 06: 25
              Exactly. Did you think the epidemic was only about medicine? Nothing like this. There are a lot of examples in sociology when the entire society suddenly began to follow rules that were previously unacceptable. For example, in the Russian Federation in the 90s, everything descended into crime, scams.
              Or Ukraine, after the collapse of the Union, fostered corruption in society as part of public morality.
              Exactly here too.
              The leadership and fighters of Israel believed in the Dome, Merkava and other things. And they relaxed.
              And “gentlemen in slippers with Kalash rifles” prepared and followed trends, such as the use of UAVs.
      3. man
        0
        11 October 2023 12: 38
        How do you imagine the implementation of this “cunning plan”? :))))
        It should include hundreds of people: the US Presidential Administration, the US Department of Defense, the CIA, the NSA, the same from Israel: Netanyahu and his assistants, the Israeli Defense Ministry, its intelligence services, intelligence services, etc.

        What surprises you? Not so many people, considering that it is not necessary to devote all employees from the companies you listed
        1. +1
          11 October 2023 16: 06
          Well, yes, hundreds, if not thousands of people, whose duties are security, and everyone unanimously agreed to give up on everything.
          It is only in movies like “2012” that the world behind the scenes hides information about the impending catastrophe for a long time. But it's the same movie. And we live in reality.
          1. man
            0
            11 October 2023 16: 28
            Well, yes, hundreds, if not thousands of people, whose duties are security, and everyone unanimously agreed to give up on everything.
            No, these are thousands of servicemen, including those bound by an oath, without agreement,simultaneously decided to forget about their duty to the Motherland and relax
    3. +1
      11 October 2023 05: 56
      Quote from Constantin N.
      because that was the plan. so that Hamas inflicts serious one-time damage, which will give Israel a free hand

      Such a plan is too ruinous for Israel; we could have come up with something more ingenious...
      1. man
        +3
        11 October 2023 12: 17
        Quote: Luminman
        Quote from Constantin N.
        because that was the plan. so that Hamas inflicts serious one-time damage, which will give Israel a free hand

        Such a plan is too ruinous for Israel; we could have come up with something more ingenious...

        Nothing, the states will compensate. But how tempting it is to finally and finally solve the unsolvable problem of the Gaza Strip at the cost of generally relatively small losses
      2. TIR
        0
        11 October 2023 15: 05
        Israel was lucky that Hamas did not have the strength to build on its success. If they had as many fighters as the IDF, then it would be the end of Israel. I don’t understand why Hamas, having broken through all of Israel’s defenses and entered the operational space, did not build on its success
    4. +1
      11 October 2023 12: 26
      Constantin N, oh, I’m belittling and what are you thinking? Many people have had this question. Bucks, bucks and more bucks. The Americans have a problem in the economy, and they will solve it with another war, but now not with Russia, it is too warlike. And to pit the two peoples against Israel, which began to behave impudently, and the Palestinians.
      1. man
        0
        11 October 2023 16: 51
        Constantin N, oh, I’m belittling and what are you thinking? Many people have had this question. Bucks, bucks and more bucks. The Americans have a problem in the economy, and they will solve it with another war
        What about the printing press? Is it broken?
        1. 0
          11 October 2023 17: 44
          Quote: mann
          What about the printing press? Is it broken?

          The raw material for the printing press was oil from the Middle East (that is, the material backing of the dollar) and at a price dictated by the United States, with the beginning of the Northeast Military District and, accordingly, with a flurry of ill-considered sanctions and Russia's retaliatory measures, this linkage - Middle Eastern oil - dollar collapsed.
          1. man
            0
            11 October 2023 19: 14
            Quote: Jura
            Quote: mann
            What about the printing press? Is it broken?

            The raw material for the printing press was oil from the Middle East (that is, the material backing of the dollar) and at a price dictated by the United States, with the beginning of the Northeast Military District and, accordingly, with a flurry of ill-considered sanctions and Russia's retaliatory measures, this linkage - Middle Eastern oil - dollar collapsed.

            I believe that the main fuel for the dollar is wars.
            The more serious the mess, the greater the investment in the currency of the militarily strongest country.
    5. +1
      11 October 2023 13: 36
      So, Israel's hands were tied? And how long?
  2. -1
    11 October 2023 04: 41
    Because the IDF was in fact no better than Hamas, even worse. The Zionist army turned out to be simply incapable of combat, that's all. The myth is destroyed. It was really a myth
    1. +2
      11 October 2023 06: 49
      Quote: zontov79
      Because the IDF was in fact no better than Hamas, even worse. The Zionist army turned out to be simply incapable of combat, that's all. The myth is destroyed. It was really a myth

      Just relaxed. The human factor will never go away. Take 22.06.41/XNUMX/XNUMX. Despite the fact that there were divisions of a possible enemy on the border, on the night from Saturday to Sunday, thousands of junior and not so junior commanders spent the night at home and in rented huts with a woman in their arms. And they have already shown their combat effectiveness by mobilizing in a couple of days. Here Staver is right, no matter how you look at it.
      1. +9
        11 October 2023 09: 59
        And they have already shown their combat effectiveness by mobilizing in a couple of days. Here Staver is right, no matter how you look at it.

        One should not confuse the soft with the green, no matter how you pull the owl onto the globe, but they just couldn’t show their “combat readiness”, because mobilization after the strike - this is already called - incapacity for combat and unpreparedness for war, And where did the author find the spit? It’s completely stupid to compare different countries, diametrically different in size, in completely different political realities and situations.
      2. 0
        11 October 2023 11: 32
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Take 22.06.41/XNUMX/XNUMX. Given that there were divisions of a possible enemy on the border, on the night from Saturday to Sunday, thousands of junior and not so commanders spent the night at home

        I agree. You show your peacefulness, and the enemy takes advantage of it.
      3. +3
        11 October 2023 13: 37
        Combat capability has little to do with mobilization. Let these mobilized ones show themselves first.
    2. +7
      11 October 2023 09: 54
      Where have all these Alephs, Professors, etc. from the Promised Land gone, who previously responded so quickly and professionally on this site to any statement about Israel? Where are they? Are they alive? Or captured by Hamas?
      Who will now tell us how bad everything is with us and how good it is with them?
      1. +5
        11 October 2023 11: 47
        Quote: Silhouette
        Who will now tell us how bad everything is with us and how good it is with them?

        What needs to be compared? I am a retired officer of the Russian Federation, I lived for some time in Israel, I know the Russian army from the inside, the Israeli army only from the outside, and I have never been in admiration for it. Just the soldiers' dropped trousers and unshaven faces irritated me. But I was confident in her combat readiness. I thought, okay, we can’t walk beautifully in parades, but they are always ready for combat. Apparently I was wrong here too.
        1. +1
          11 October 2023 12: 21
          Quote: Grigory Remarque
          I know the Russian army from the inside, the Israeli army only from the outside, and I have never been in admiration for it. Just the soldiers' dropped trousers and unshaven faces irritated me. But I was confident in her combat readiness. I thought, okay, we can’t walk beautifully in parades, but they are always ready for combat. Apparently I was wrong here too.

          But I can’t understand why the Israelis haven’t mined the border perimeter for so many years? This measure would be a good, and even more effective barrier in addition to automatic machine guns.
          1. -1
            11 October 2023 16: 35
            By the way, in relation to the border with Jordan, they did this at one time. There are still minefields 3 kilometers deep into Israeli territory.

            Photographed in January 2018
  3. +3
    11 October 2023 05: 10
    Israel called up 300 reservists in two (!) days. But most importantly, they all received new military equipment, modern weapons and heavy weapons. I can’t help but remember our partial mobilization...
    Of course, it went so-so for us, but where does such faith in CALLED reservists come from? Sending out SMS messages is far from being called upon, if you count it like that, then in about 5 days our agendas were stolen...
    But in general, I am convinced once again that the fact that we were the first to start extinguishing Ukraine is a huge plus for Russia. (Of course, I remember about the Ukrainian dirty tricks on Crimea and their terror in the LDPR until 22).
    1. +20
      11 October 2023 06: 02
      One must think that Israel has always prepared for something like this, at the very least, and training camps are held there regularly, and the whole system should be more or less streamlined.

      There is no need to confuse our mobilization of everyone who could be reached by the military registration and enlistment offices (who have never done anything like this and never dreamed that they would have to) and the Israeli collection of reservists.
      1. +3
        11 October 2023 06: 31
        Quote: VicktorVR
        There is no need to confuse our mobilization of everyone who could be reached by the military registration and enlistment offices (who have never done anything like this and never dreamed that they would have to) and the Israeli collection of reservists.

        Ah, this is different, of course. I wrote that it didn’t go well for us. However, 300 thousand in two days is also from the series of the infallible IDF, purely a matter of faith.
        1. +6
          11 October 2023 07: 06
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Quote: VicktorVR
          There is no need to confuse our mobilization of everyone who could be reached by the military registration and enlistment offices (who have never done anything like this and never dreamed that they would have to) and the Israeli collection of reservists.

          Ah, this is different, of course. I wrote that it didn’t go well for us. However, 300 thousand in two days is also from the series of the infallible IDF, purely a matter of faith.

          Everything seems to be very simple there. They announce mobilization and people, without waiting for summonses, go to collection points themselves, where equipment is already waiting in warehouses. I do not rule out that the equipment may be waiting at home, in the closet
          1. +2
            11 October 2023 13: 00

            Everyone there knows where to go, they go straight to their unit to which they are assigned. But there everything is already waiting for you, tailored to size, because, if I’m not mistaken, every 2 years everyone undergoes military training and everything is ready in case of war.
      2. +4
        11 October 2023 16: 40
        For some reason, they still don’t take into account the fact that Israel’s area is approximately the same as the Ivanovo region. With well-developed infrastructure. Mobilization activities will a priori take place faster there.
        But for Staver this is difficult.
        R.S. Plus, the residents of Israel don’t really have any illusions that the war is “somewhere far away.”
    2. +1
      11 October 2023 06: 51
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      But in general, I am convinced once again that the fact that we were the first to start extinguishing Ukraine is a huge plus for Russia.

      The idea is good, but the execution is poor.
    3. +11
      11 October 2023 09: 59
      What's 300k in two days? The author of the article seemed to read between the lines and immediately drew some conclusions, and even started writing articles right away.
      The gathering was announced for 360k reservists, the number was clarified for several days. Secondly, the collection process is still ongoing, it is not instantaneous, and they themselves declare this, explaining this, suddenly, by the complexity due to the large number of those called up. Plus, all of them need supplies and organization.
      Further. As has already been noted here, Israel lives in a permanent military conflict, when they can attack even yesterday. That’s why their army is always supplied; reservists are always reminded of what they should do if something happens. Those who have completed their service can keep rifles at home, and some are recommended to do so. They train and mobilize women, which greatly increases the ranks of possible reservists. Plus, need I say that after such a terrorist attack in their country, the number of motivated people rushing into the army has only increased?
      In general, as far as mobilization is concerned and how it takes place, it is impossible to compare at all, because the conditions are completely different. At the same time, I’m not saying that our mobilization was good, no. It was bad, and it needs to be debugged so that such a slippage does not happen again.

      The author of the article about mobilization is simply being stupid. I almost didn’t read the rest of the article, but if he’s talking about obvious things, then I’m afraid to think what’s next in the text.
  4. +3
    11 October 2023 05: 10
    The Jews hoped for modern tracking systems, but they were disabled by hackers, the results are full in the video.
    1. +3
      11 October 2023 06: 51
      Okay, the hackers turned off the tracking systems, but the operators should have raised the alarm. Plus there must be some kind of sentries, and they keep weapons with the soldier, no need to run to the weapons room...
    2. +1
      11 October 2023 10: 34
      Quote: Pessimist22
      The Jews hoped for modern tracking systems, but they were disabled by hackers, the results are full in the video.
      how did the drones fly up to the automatic towers? There the electronic warfare system was supposed to jam everything.
  5. +23
    11 October 2023 05: 15
    Now about the future.

    Alexander Staver raised some very dark questions for me.
    We should learn from what happened in Israel.
    I'll give you this version...
    What prevents the British (our eternal enemies) represented by MI6 or the Turkish intelligence services or Budanov (with the support of the CIA) from organizing something similar in Russia... using migrant workers, valuable foreign specialists... using terrorist specialists and color revolutions.
    After all, this layer of alien guests creates enclaves and communities on our territory where the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs cannot penetrate... and only God knows what is really happening there.
    The world does not stand still... our enemy is also learning, drawing conclusions and I think he is already preparing to strike us from the inside... we cannot be complacent thinking that such events will not affect us... they will reach us... and then it will begin more massacres than in Israel.
    1. +15
      11 October 2023 06: 41
      For some reason, I am also inclined to think that such a scenario is being prepared for Russia, plus our local radicals, and the rest will simply support them.
      1. +9
        11 October 2023 06: 56
        I also think so about this scenario. For now, we are happy that Shoigu did a great job - he did not allow Crimea to be captured, he defended Moscow conditionally.... In fact, no one in their right mind set such tasks for Ukraine. But the processes that are taking place in our country may become completely irreversible. Lately, reality has become more and more reminiscent of the times of Nicholas II
        1. +6
          11 October 2023 07: 32
          Quote: Vladimir M
          Lately, reality has become more and more reminiscent of the times of Nicholas II

          This is already a marker Yes laughing
    2. +7
      11 October 2023 12: 35
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I'll give you this version...

      This version has been thrown around in all resources by all and sundry for the past ten, if not more, years. But our rulers, as if on purpose, are further aggravating this problem by liberalizing migration legislation and, even worse, by distributing passports to almost everyone. The inadequacy of such a policy is especially clearly visible in Putin’s speech, when he outlined the West’s problems with the influx of migrants, but at the same time emphasized that with us “this is different”: “our former Soviets” are coming to us, and therefore good, non-dangerous and wonderful people . Over the many years of living and working “in the bunker,” this figure has become completely disconnected from the realities of life in the country and people.
      1. -2
        11 October 2023 14: 26
        Quote: Askold65
        “our former Soviets” are coming to us, and therefore good, harmless and wonderful people. Over the many years of living and working “in the bunker,” this figure has become completely disconnected from the realities of life in the country and people.

        Yeah, Soviet, 25-30 years old. One such Uzbek asked me if there was ice cream in the USSR.
    3. 0
      11 October 2023 13: 55
      What kind of enclaves are these like Gaza? Are you sometimes writing from an alternate universe?
    4. man
      0
      11 October 2023 17: 03
      What prevents the British (our eternal enemies) represented by MI6 or the Turkish intelligence services or Budanov (with the support of the CIA) from organizing something similar in Russia... using migrant workers, valuable foreign specialists... using terrorist specialists and color revolutions.
      Nothing will work out for them, the FSB will figure them out imported gaskets
  6. +4
    11 October 2023 05: 26
    In fact, Israel was created with the help and money of the West, and there they know how to promote, promote and show off. Here is a real example, everything was intercepted too much for the enemies to be afraid. Only the enemies are no longer afraid!
    1. +1
      11 October 2023 07: 06
      Quote: Vadim S
      In fact, Israel was created with the help and money of the West, and there they know how to promote, promote and show off.

      Yes Yes. Do you know that after Israel declared independence in 1948, the United States imposed an embargo on arms supplies to the Israelis, and military assistance, with the consent of the USSR, was provided by socialist countries? Right down to airplanes.
      Golda Meir:
      Who knows if we would have survived if not for the weapons and ammunition that we were able to purchase from Czechoslovakia and transport through Yugoslavia and other Balkan countries in those dark days at the outbreak of the war, until the situation changed in June 1948? In the first six weeks of the war, we relied heavily on the shells, machine guns and bullets that the Haganah was able to purchase from Eastern Europe, while even America declared an arms embargo on the Middle East, although, of course, we relied on more than that. The past cannot be erased because the present is not like it, and the fact remains that despite the fact that the Soviet Union subsequently turned so violently against us, the Soviet recognition of Israel on May 18 was of great importance to us.
      1. -1
        11 October 2023 08: 50
        I will add that after the declaration of independence on May 14, 1948, as many as 7 Arab states attacked Israel.
        As the first Secretary of Defense, James Forrestal, told President Truman: “You simply don’t realize that there are 40 million Arabs and 400 thousand Jews. Millions of Arabs will prevail over thousands of Jews. Oil is the side we should be on.”

        The US recognized Israel on January 30, 1949. USSR - May 18, 1948.
        1. +2
          11 October 2023 09: 31
          Why did the Jews annoy the corn farmer so much that he overturned the policy of the USSR? Did he shit on Stalin, who had already passed away, or did he really suffer from Judeophobia?
          1. +6
            11 October 2023 09: 47
            Quote: Essex62
            or did x ohel really suffer from Judeophobia?

            Nikita Sergeevich, the Jews consider Nikita Sergeevich to be a very evil anti-Semite, in some ways he may have been right, Khrushchev, to put it mildly, did not sympathize with the Jews, at best he, Nikita Sergeevich, suggested that they go to Birobidzhan, as he claimed...... There is a large area there, there is enough room for everyone.
          2. 0
            11 October 2023 09: 56
            Quote: Essex62
            Why did the Jews annoy the corn farmer so much that he overturned the policy of the USSR? Did he shit on Stalin, who had already passed away, or did he really suffer from Judeophobia?

            It’s just that during the Cold War, Israel defected to the United States, which changed its policy.
          3. +2
            11 October 2023 20: 44
            Relations deteriorated at the end of Stalin's life.
            1. 0
              12 October 2023 13: 44
              Yes, but not to the point of complete rejection. And at the level of power, Judeophobia was not cultivated in society. Nikita brought the situation, precisely within the USSR, to the point of absurdity. Jews, at his instigation, were openly spread rot. Even the heroes of the war, the GSS, people who proved their devotion to the Union with their blood, “arrived”.
        2. +1
          11 October 2023 09: 58
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          I will add that after the declaration of independence on May 14, 1948, as many as 7 Arab states attacked Israel.
          As the first Secretary of Defense, James Forrestal, told President Truman: “You simply don’t realize that there are 40 million Arabs and 400 thousand Jews. Millions of Arabs will prevail over thousands of Jews. Oil is the side we should be on.”

          The US recognized Israel on January 30, 1949. USSR - May 18, 1948.

          Well, if you compare the size of the armies, you will see that far from 40 million Arabs fought. 2000 from here, 3000 from there...
          1. -4
            11 October 2023 11: 06
            Quote from Kartograph
            Well, if you compare the size of the armies, you will see that far from 40 million Arabs fought. 2000 from here, 3000 from there...

            This means they tried poorly to destroy Israel. They increased the number of troops to 60 thousand people, and Israel to almost 120 thousand.
    2. +1
      11 October 2023 10: 38
      The creation of Israel is the greatest mistake of Stalin, misled by the Jewish lobby of the USSR.
      1. -5
        11 October 2023 11: 08
        Quote: Silhouette
        The creation of Israel is the greatest mistake of Stalin, misled by the Jewish lobby of the USSR.

        There is a version that the USSR simply repaid loans issued by foreign Jews before the war.
        1. +4
          11 October 2023 12: 45
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          There is a version that the USSR simply repaid loans issued by foreign Jews before the war.

          And there is a version that foreign Jews - Zionists - worked closely with the German Nazis to push Jews out of Europe to Palestine.
          1. -2
            11 October 2023 14: 29
            Quote: Askold65
            And there is a version that foreign Jews - Zionists - worked closely with the German Nazis to push Jews out of Europe to Palestine.

            And there is also a version that Israel should have become in Crimea, and not in some Palestinians.
            1. +4
              11 October 2023 15: 15
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              And there is also a version that Israel should have become in Crimea, and not in some Palestinians.

              There was another option in Uruguay. But the Zionists insisted that only in the “Promised Land”. For: "Zionism is a political movement whose goal is the unification and revival of the Jewish people in their historical homeland - Israel."
        2. man
          0
          11 October 2023 17: 10
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: Silhouette
          The creation of Israel is the greatest mistake of Stalin, misled by the Jewish lobby of the USSR.

          There is a version that the USSR simply repaid loans issued by foreign Jews before the war.

          Actually, Stalin believed that the USSR had already paid with the blood of the Soviet people and did not return the loans
          1. -7
            11 October 2023 18: 16
            Quote: mann
            Actually, Stalin believed that the USSR had already paid with the blood of the Soviet people and did not return the loans

            According to that version, the loan was issued in the 20s, under the land of Crimea. But Stalin did not want to part with Crimea, and Khrushchev transferred it to the Ukrainian SSR precisely for this reason, since the loan was issued to the RSFSR.
            1. man
              +1
              12 October 2023 02: 43
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: mann
              Actually, Stalin believed that the USSR had already paid with the blood of the Soviet people and did not return the loans

              According to that version, the loan was issued in the 20s, under the land of Crimea. But Stalin did not want to part with Crimea, and Khrushchev transferred it to the Ukrainian SSR precisely for this reason, since the loan was issued to the RSFSR.

              I know this version, but I don’t believe in it. Khrushchev was infinitely fierce in Ukraine at one time, and decided to make amends in this way
              1. 0
                12 October 2023 13: 52
                The Ukrainian SSR was part of the USSR. What do you mean given to Ukraine? Khrushchev changed the administrative boundaries within a single state, at that time it was considered legitimate.
        3. +1
          12 October 2023 08: 01
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          There is a version that the USSR simply worked off loans issued by foreign Jews

          Comrade Stalin was not one of those who repay loans.

          The situation there is somewhat different. The politically active Jews of Palestine were bearded far-left terrorists, so Israel was seen as something like Cuba. Who knew that the Jews would have a normal state?
      2. +1
        11 October 2023 12: 21
        Quote: Silhouette
        The creation of Israel is the greatest mistake of Stalin, misled by the Jewish lobby of the USSR.

        What bad did Israel personally do to the USSR? Well, it just seriously spoiled karma
  7. +1
    11 October 2023 05: 39
    It is likely that the war will soon turn into a regional one. The West really needs Iran to disarm a little.
    A war will break out in this region and oil prices will fall, so what? The West wanted to buy oil from the main exporters at a higher price? They buy gas at a high price, and then they decided to also buy oil at a high price.
  8. +13
    11 October 2023 05: 56
    Author, I want to object to the “spit on us.” Read the translation of the Israeli press. And there, the same call from the wives of the reservists for help. There are no panties, no hygiene products, etc., etc. Volunteers are collecting help for the reservists.
    1. +2
      11 October 2023 09: 04
      Quote: Mikhail Maslov
      There are no panties, no hygiene products, etc., etc. Volunteers are collecting help for the reservists.

      Well, you bent it... I don’t know about you, but when I was mobilized, I would take enough underpants and hygiene products so as not to think about it in the next couple of months, do you really think that those mobilized in Ihrail didn’t take underpants and toothbrushes with them? and now they need to be collected? isn't it funny yourself?
      1. +4
        11 October 2023 09: 46
        Having your own is good, but getting it for free is better!
        1. +3
          11 October 2023 13: 21
          Quote: Silhouette
          Having your own is good, but getting it for free is better!

          Do you suppose they just said that they didn’t take it in order to get more? laughing
  9. +1
    11 October 2023 05: 57
    because that's how it was intended
  10. +8
    11 October 2023 06: 12
    It would seem that human sensuality should grow along with progress. And here there is medieval cruelty on both sides and the latest technologies. But the worst thing is that political forces have no desire to extinguish this hotbed of war. Each side is looking for a reason to benefit from what is happening. Why Israel was not prepared for war? Yes, for the same reason that happens to other countries. Attacks of grandeur prevent a serious consideration of the situation. The main thing is to convince society of your power and do nothing. The situation is very serious. It is serious because previously such matters were decided by two forces. And now there are many of them.
    1. +3
      11 October 2023 06: 43
      They knew everything, but for them (I.) these are acceptable losses, but there is an opportunity to deal with the Palestinians and forget about them for many years, and you can earn political points from this...
  11. +8
    11 October 2023 06: 21
    As the experience of difficult mistakes shows, the special services do not always fail in such cases. Take Andropov's KGB of the USSR. After all, it is more than obvious that the movement up the career ladder of the Gorbachevs, Yakovlevs and other Shevardnadzes and Kravchuks and Yeltsins with the ultimate goal of destroying the USSR is not the result of the blockages and failures of Andropov’s KGB, but this is the purposeful work of this special service so that the final result with the USSR became just like that. So in this situation, you shouldn’t talk about Israel’s special services, they say, how neglected everything is, how neglected everything is. The temptation is that having finally resolved the issue of Gaza, Palestine and Iran, spec. services, such “merit” will write off all victims during such a special. operations carried out by them. After all, it is quite possible to assume that all this could have been planned by these special specialists. Israeli service and even together with the CIA. Here you have the final solution to the Gaza issue, here you have the resuscitation of the dying hegemon, who drove aircraft carriers there so that he could then boast to everyone that it was America that saved Israel. Yes, the Jews are also itching for the final solution to the Iranian issue in one indiscreet place no less than the final solution to the Gaza issue. Well, the Arabs fell for it, because the Israeli special services knew what kind of bait and to whom it should be offered...
  12. +2
    11 October 2023 06: 38
    Quote: Mikhail Maslov
    Author, I want to object to the “spit on us.” Read the translation of the Israeli press. And there, the same call from the wives of the reservists for help. There are no panties, no hygiene products, etc., etc. Volunteers are collecting help for the reservists.

    Well, to be honest, the reservists will be patient for a couple of weeks, the main thing is that they had armor and helmets... For those who understand what I mean...
    1. +3
      11 October 2023 07: 10
      Quote: Vladimir80
      Quote: Mikhail Maslov
      Author, I want to object to the “spit on us.” Read the translation of the Israeli press. And there, the same call from the wives of the reservists for help. There are no panties, no hygiene products, etc., etc. Volunteers are collecting help for the reservists.

      Well, to be honest, the reservists will be patient for a couple of weeks, the main thing is that they had armor and helmets... For those who understand what I mean...

      Reservists will not be allowed in the first wave; there are personnel units there. But you can patrol cities without panties
      1. 0
        11 October 2023 13: 08
        Quote from Kartograph
        Reservists will not be allowed in the first wave; there are personnel units there

        It is precisely the reservists who are the most experienced, having served in the military, having combat experience and undergoing training every 2 years. And these are the personnel conscripts. Serves 2 years and 7 months.
        1. 0
          11 October 2023 15: 31
          Quote: Grigory Remarque
          It is precisely the reservists who are the most experienced, having served in the military, having combat experience and undergoing training every 2 years. And these are the personnel conscripts. Serves 2 years and 7 months.

          Where then do conscripts gain combat experience? As one of our Israeli friends said, they are put through training for a year in a way that the Airborne Forces have never even dreamed of
  13. -3
    11 October 2023 06: 41
    Knowing the “wisdom” of Erdogan and his close contacts with Kiev, we can guess where the arms supplies for Hamas came from.

    Why does Kyiv need this? After all, even the horse understands that in this case the Ukrainians run a very high risk of receiving much less financial assistance and weapons.
    1. +4
      11 October 2023 06: 54
      Do you think that the Ukrainian government was aware? Some people may be interested, but they have a share.
      1. 0
        11 October 2023 07: 24
        Quote: Mixweb
        Do you think that the Ukrainian government was aware?

        It's not me, it's Staver who thinks so.
  14. 0
    11 October 2023 07: 11
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    But in general, I am convinced once again that the fact that we were the first to start extinguishing Ukraine is a huge plus for Russia.

    The idea is good, but the execution is poor.

    Now imagine that 404 was the first to start. It would be even worse.
    1. +3
      11 October 2023 07: 37
      Quote: shark507
      Now imagine that 404 was the first to start. It would be even worse.

      I wonder what's worse? In this case, Ukraine would become an aggressor and would receive horseradish and carrots from the West and not tanks with guns.
      1. -2
        11 October 2023 08: 18
        In this case, Ukraine would become an aggressor and would receive horseradish and carrots from the West

        Ukrainians would have received weapons in any case, but we did not look like “aggressors” in the eyes of the whole world. That's why the amers implemented the attack scenario...
        1. +1
          11 October 2023 08: 30
          Quote: Vladimir80
          Ukrainians would have received weapons in any case

          And this is what grandma said in two. Moreover, according to the old man, Ukraine and Belarus were going to attack, and ours were literally a couple of days ahead of them. So now we would have a coalition with the Belarusians, and the Ukrainians would fight on two fronts. And from Belarus to Kyiv it’s only 150 km. Banderaism would have been unleashed long ago. But, it seems to me that daddy just put a straw under his ass with his statement. So that it doesn't hurt to fall.
          1. +3
            11 October 2023 13: 05
            Why did we attack Ukraine first, taking on the difficult (I emphasize this!) mission of looking like aggressors in the eyes of the whole world? But because everything was heading towards a military conflict between us and Ukraine - is this still not clear to anyone?

            Now imagine that Ukraine attacked first. On us. Heavy fighting on the border, our villages and cities are no longer isolated buildings, but completely on fire, completely in ruins. The merciless, sadistic reprisal of the “Azovites”, maddened by blood, against our civilian population and captured soldiers instantly and deliberately through someone else’s efforts becomes the property of the Internet and demoralizes many. And, again, the reaction of residents of the capitals - Moscow and St. Petersburg - immediately follows. Their heads unanimously and sharply turn towards the political power that is within walking distance, their faces are distorted with anger and in anger their distorted mouths shout uncomfortable questions. Where were our border troops, why did they oversleep? Do we even have border troops? Why is there no worthy response to the aggressor? Why did they retreat so far inland? The speech of the President follows, causing a patriotic upsurge in some, indignation and sarcasm in others.... The speech of Shoigu and others - “We will give a worthy rebuff!”, The reaction of the population is similar. Hatred for the enemy overwhelms everyone, but now martial law has been declared (what our government is so afraid of, even though we are not fighting on our own territory - the citizens do not agree!). And then a general mobilization follows. Fear is spreading throughout Russia. Separatists in the autonomies and republics raise their heads and begin to scream about independence (“This is not our war!”) and, taking advantage of the current situation and the fact that the Russian Guard is not enough for all “freedom-loving” people to pacify separatism, they take some kind of political action, appealing to the world community. Crime from local and criminal migrant elements that have finally escaped control is contributing to the situation. What follows is a mass flight abroad, no longer of a million native citizens, but of many millions filled with fear, horror and despair due to moral unpreparedness for the situation of invasion. The flight of millions of migrants to their ethnic homelands creates uncontrollable chaos on all sections of the Russian border, and thousands of groups of radicals of all stripes are penetrating into the country. Chaos collides with patriotic upsurge, one extinguishes the other, but if the offensive of the Ukrainians somehow continues (and the United States would do everything for this, instantly providing Ukraine with the necessary weapons and world public opinion - do you doubt it? In vain!), then a nationwide loud voice rises a cry about the need to overthrow the government in order to replace it with another. The state body of Russia is becoming loose. The world community supports the separatists who want to get out of the situation
            "colonies" (as many of them imagine themselves) are free to float - perhaps the richer metropolis will catch them in its net. Well, and so on.
            Don't like it - like this?
            Of course, I'm exaggerating. And I do this on purpose. So that everyone understands what threats our government would have to face if we had delayed. And I haven’t said anything yet about the possibility of using nuclear weapons.
            Transferring the inevitable conflict to enemy territory turned out to be good for us.
            1. -1
              11 October 2023 14: 34
              Quote: depressant
              Transferring the inevitable conflict to enemy territory turned out to be good for us.

              I completely and completely disagree.
            2. +1
              11 October 2023 15: 19
              Quote: depressant
              Now imagine that Ukraine attacked first. ...

              Everything you describe next is more like the attack of the Martians from “Warriors of the Worlds”. This has nothing to do with the real situation hi
              1. +1
                11 October 2023 19: 20
                I went through this situation during the 1992 war in Abkhazia. The scale is incomparable, the suffering of Russian refugees is incredible. There were many deaths already on Russian territory. Some have still not been able to obtain citizenship. I went through the hell of lack of funds and indifference of officials.
                Yes, the situation here is different. Hundreds of thousands of Russian people would become refugees. In your home country! If there is at least some official attention to Ukrainian refugees, because the West is closely watching, then in relation to our own - attention would hardly be sufficient, worthy...
                Dear colleagues, I think first of all about ordinary people, my fellow citizens. I feel incredibly sorry for everyone.
            3. 0
              12 October 2023 16: 15
              Now imagine that Ukraine attacked first. On us.


              Brad.
              Ukraine would attack the DPR and LPR.
              Bringing back the republics was their first and main task.
              They didn’t even intend to go to Crimea. At least definitely not in 2022.
              By February 24, 2022 they have throughout the army there were 261 thousand people.
              Half of them stood on the demarcation line with the DPR/LPR.
              And by this time we have only a group on the border with Ukraine was more than 200 thousand.

              One can just as easily predict an attack on Russia by the Balts or Georgians.
        2. +1
          12 October 2023 00: 24
          Ukrainians would have received weapons in any case


          Well, the Georgians attacked first and received nothing, no support from either the EU or the USA.
          Moreover, the European Commission (Talvini report) recognized them as aggressors.
  15. KCA
    +6
    11 October 2023 07: 13
    Was the author one of the 300 mobilized in Israel? Personally, I received brand new uniforms and weapons, brand new? Or was he partially mobilized into the RF Armed Forces and received a WWII-era HB and a shabby PPSh? Or just read someone's wet or tearful dreams on the Internet?
  16. NSV
    0
    11 October 2023 07: 24
    Did the author accidentally mean only Israel??? But it’s not like that with us...?!
  17. +9
    11 October 2023 07: 37
    And again to the same rake? Every fifth IDF soldier is a girl. And what kind of reservists are there? Somehow I somewhat doubt their value for the army. They need to be brought to their senses for at least three months after a well-fed peaceful life, and the accumulated fat needs to be shed. Or will they be sent straight to Gaza? If the regular units have shown their, to put it mildly, incompetence, then what can we say about the hastily called up reservists. Have you ever seen our partisans at training camps? Just don’t tell tales that Russian reservists are total drunks and losers. And the Israelis are entirely Guardsmen. ))))
    1. +2
      11 October 2023 07: 51
      One of the reasons (and confirmed by the Americans) for the failure of the Israeli intelligence services is the overestimation of the role of technical means of tracking, the use of hacking gadgets, etc. In particular, it is a confirmed fact that Hamas uses Huawei smartphones that do not have Google Services, and the Chinese have cut out security gaps left for Western intelligence services from Android.

      Naturally, in the process of “creative” redesign of Android, “holes” were inserted for the Chinese intelligence services. But Hamas doesn't care))))
      1. +1
        11 October 2023 08: 08
        Quote from: ave0123
        In particular, the confirmed fact that Hamas uses Huawei smartphones,

        Naturally, in the process of “creative” redesign of Android, “holes” were inserted for the Chinese intelligence services. But Hamas doesn't care))))

        I’ve also had my Huawei for four years now, and it doesn’t want to break, by the way. So I am also a Chinese spy.)))
  18. +4
    11 October 2023 07: 40
    So, why did the intelligence network of both intelligence services not notice the preparation of the attack?
    It was necessary not to notice, but they didn’t notice, but now Israel has suffered and has the moral right to revenge, and on the sly, a lot can still be done and made money from it. The advantage will be the one who started this mess and it is clearly not Hamas who are just using them.
    1. +4
      11 October 2023 07: 44
      Quote: Alex66
      So, why did the intelligence network of both intelligence services not notice the preparation of the attack?
      It was necessary not to notice, but they didn’t notice, but now Israel has suffered and has the moral right to revenge, and on the sly, a lot can still be done and made money from it. The advantage will be the one who started this mess and it is clearly not Hamas who are just using them.

      I beg to differ with you, after the demonstrative attacks on mosques, I don’t know what it is, the Arab world, and not only it, will become angry. Even the main ally of the striped ones in the person of the Sultan is asking them some questions. Will they bomb an ally if the Turks provide assistance? And Hamas and Erdogan are birds of a feather.
  19. +8
    11 October 2023 07: 48
    The author of the article apparently does not know that in Israel evasion of military service is a criminal offense and is punishable by up to two years in prison.
    A deserter is considered to be a conscript who does not appear at the recruiting station within 21 days from the date of receipt of the summons.
    Feel the difference with our Russian reality - from the life of our notorious reloctants, how they are babysat.
    It should be taken into account that in Israel there are two cults - religion and the army. Hence such a high level of mobilization.
    1. +1
      12 October 2023 00: 32
      Feel the difference with our Russian reality


      Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 328. Evasion from military and alternative civil service
      ...imprisonment for up to two years.

      Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 339. Evasion of military service duties by feigning illness or other means
      ...committed during the period of mobilization or martial law...up to ten years.
  20. +2
    11 October 2023 07: 59
    The Israeli sentries slept through the crossing of the "barmaleys" at the "river", reconnaissance did not report accurately, but the "barmaleys" will fly to the ground under the pressure of steel and fire.
    1. +2
      11 October 2023 08: 03
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      Israeli sentries overslept

      They haven’t fought for more than half a century + arrogance, swagger, blind faith in their power and, as a result, absolute inability to fight, even against barefoot fighters.
      1. +2
        11 October 2023 10: 29
        Haven't fought in over half a century
        Actually, the last military operation in Gaza took place in 2008, and not a quarter of a century has passed.
  21. +4
    11 October 2023 08: 27
    The questions are posed correctly, of course we will find out the answers, but not soon...
    One massive installation on the slopes of the MLRS hills should have been discovered by technical reconnaissance, but it didn’t grow together, maybe all the funds were thrown to the border of Ukraine? So get it...
  22. +1
    11 October 2023 09: 10
    I do not argue. The article describes everything correctly and correctly highlights the problems of the Israelis. But where was the author during the disastrous start of the SVO? Where was the same analysis of miscalculations and failures at the initial stage of the operation in Ukraine? It is clear that criticizing others is safer and calmer than dealing with your own problems. It is possible, God forbid, to offend someone in your own Ministry of Defense, intelligence services, or even up to the top management. And this is another calico. Troubles and problems are possible. And then feel free to tell the truth and nothing will happen to you.
    1. +5
      11 October 2023 12: 53
      Quote: oleg Pesotsky
      But where was the author during the disastrous start of the SVO? Where was the same analysis of miscalculations and failures at the initial stage of the operation in Ukraine? It is clear that criticizing others is safer and calmer than dealing with your own problems. It is possible, God forbid, to offend someone in your own Ministry of Defense, intelligence services, or even up to the top management. And this is another calico. Troubles and problems are possible. And then feel free to tell the truth and nothing will happen to you.

      Here on the site this topic has been covered up and down. And more than once. Where have you been?
  23. 0
    11 October 2023 09: 16
    Thus, the ruling party of Turkey and Hamas, members of the Muslim Brotherhood group, interacted. Knowing the “wisdom” of Erdogan and his close contacts with Kiev, we can guess where the arms supplies for Hamas came from.
    Then the question arises: Did Erdogan start his own game or only serve as a mediator?
  24. -2
    11 October 2023 09: 17
    One can criticize their defense system.
    In the Russian Federation we also have many shortcomings in our defense system. Although we are the second army in the world.
  25. +2
    11 October 2023 09: 25
    It's simple. The self-confidence that Israel has the best tanks, the best air defense, automatic systems and other aspects of propaganda lulls attention. Plus holidays and weekends. All this turned into what we saw.
    Plus a new generation, a generation of tiktokers and bloggers who are simply rich. The latter have always been there, but in our century they have simply increased sharply. Not only in the Russian Federation there is propaganda of the “there are no analogues” type. In the USA, EUROPE and Israel, the masses are also being pumped up. All this dulls attention. The Mossad is no longer what it was before, a generation has changed. That's all.
  26. +1
    11 October 2023 10: 01
    Myths so widespread that even many of our fellow citizens believed in them, and some continue to believe.
    What's there? Some moderators at VO believed and continue to believe. And if the facts contradict the beliefs, so much the worse for the facts.
    What, Israeli specialists didn’t study the war in Ukraine? Didn’t know that such weapons are quite effective?
    Yes. This is obvious to me. According to numerous shots from both the south and the north.
    There are quite a lot of such jambs. The same paragliders, for example.
    The Jews knew about this. They didn’t take it seriously; they thought it was ineffective.
    So, why did the intelligence network of both intelligence services not notice the preparation of the attack?
    They noticed, but did not consider it a serious threat. The black hole there is not in the collection of information, but in the adequacy of the threat assessment.
    What about cell phones? Didn't the concentration of telephones in one place alarm employees? Didn't the appearance of new code words on air alert you?
    It was Yom Kippur. We simply overslept.
    No offense to the Israelis, we know very well that Israeli intelligence works very closely with American and European intelligence.
    These are entirely occupied with Ukraine and Taiwan.
    I’m wondering, if this is the elite, then who serves there, in these deepest regions?
    Well, who do you think? TikTokers.
    So how should we treat the Israeli generals after this?
    Yes, there is a black hole in everything. The artillery on the Lebanese border is clustered in groups of a couple of dozen units. The bookmakers are brought up and laid out in a line among the fields. We haven't heard of camouflage. Waiting for arrival. The infantry goes on the attack with the entire platoon, and when they see a drone, they raise their heads up. One grenade is 10x, the rest are 200. In general, a nightmare was happening in the barracks, the soldiers in shorts did not even think about dispersing and offering resistance. The mincemeat has begun. I’m silent about CQB, the Israelis don’t have it. Did not hear. How did they get ready to fight in Gaza without CQB training? With God's help. Tanks are not ready for drone war, there are no barbecues, KAZ “Trophy” is a myth. And at the same time, these people gave their reserves of 300 caliber to Ukraine. How to fight here?
    Above all, this will be the bloodiest war this region has experienced. Israel now needs to prove its power. It is necessary to intimidate the neighbors...
    Everyone understood everything. Just to avoid shitting myself even more.
    It is likely that the war will soon turn into a regional one. The West really needs Iran to disarm a little. There is no other state in the region that can challenge Iran
    Yes, they pulled up two AUGs, the Americans will wipe up after Israel has crap. That's all. Two AUGs will iron Gaza.
  27. -3
    11 October 2023 10: 03
    In fact, everyone is sometimes caught off guard. And us, and the Amers, and the Arabs, and the Jews... IMHO.
    Which is exactly what happened. Planning - and Hamaz has been fighting for decades, they have experience - has been compounded by bungling and unpreparedness for new types of threats.
    But having learned a lesson, the Jews react harshly, as we see.

    And it is also interesting for us to compare the actions of these “real terrorists” with the flow of PR from Ukraine. And in order to prevent similar excesses, and to at least slow down the further zombification of the population by low-quality PR from Ukraine (such as promises about a “tribunal” or accusations about a “dirty bomb”)
    1. +4
      11 October 2023 10: 33
      [B]
      In fact, everyone is sometimes taken by surprise[
      /b] And I get the impression that the “taken by surprise” was planned.
      1. +1
        11 October 2023 14: 49
        As was written in the article, some remain captive to myths.
  28. -1
    11 October 2023 10: 35
    Today only the lazy do not talk about the failure of the defense system of the Jewish state. As well as the destruction of many myths about this country. Myths so widespread that even many of our fellow citizens believed in them, and some continue to believe.


    This means that Israel is no longer what it used to be! High technology is also outdated and does not meet the requirements of today! I’m almost sure that this retaliation operation on the part of Israel will also end like all the previous ones, that is, essentially nothing! Today's Israel has no guts to completely clear the Gaza Strip and avenge those killed!
  29. 0
    11 October 2023 10: 43
    The United States is pulling a large group of ships into the Mediterranean Sea, consisting of two attack nuclear aircraft carriers Gerald Ford and Dwight Eisenhower!
  30. +2
    11 October 2023 10: 46
    It is not that simple. Some experts believe that these events are analogous to the September 11 attacks. In other words, this is a “giveaway” on the part of Israel to resolve the Palestinian issue by force. And at the same time deal with Iran. The Palestinians had everything there. They built houses and lived quietly on handouts from rich Arab countries and the United States. And there are mosques there every three kilometers. Why do they need this war? Only for fanatics? There was no state - and who needed it? Can you imagine how to separate them? And now the reason for this has been created.
    1. +1
      11 October 2023 11: 18
      Quote: Alexander Odintsov
      It is not that simple. Some experts believe that these events are analogous to the September 11 attacks. In other words, this is a “giveaway” on the part of Israel to resolve the Palestinian issue by force. And at the same time deal with Iran. The Palestinians had everything there. They built houses and lived quietly on handouts from rich Arab countries and the United States. And there are mosques there every three kilometers. Why do they need this war? Only for fanatics? There was no state - and who needed it? Can you imagine how to separate them? And now the reason for this has been created.

      You just don't understand or don't know what's there. The newspaper is an enclave surrounded on all sides, no prospects for people there other than going to work in Israel. Actually, for Jewish capitalism, this thing was very profitable because there was a huge amount of cheap labor nearby.
  31. +6
    11 October 2023 10: 57
    There is a complete destruction of the myth there. For 70 years now, the myth about the state of Israel itself and the need for its creation has been crumbling. The Jews themselves no longer believe in the myth about their people.
    If we delve deeper into the root of the conflict, then it all started with the creation of the state of Israel in Arab territories, which the Arabs, who lived on these lands for thousands of years, were, of course, not happy about. And who would be happy in their place?......Next, Israel, by cunning, deception and force, seized more and more territories for itself. But the question arises: how legitimate was it to found a foreign national state here? After all, the State of Israel was artificially created only in 1948

    100 years ago it was the territory of the Ottoman Empire
    500 years ago the Egyptian Mamluks ruled here
    700 years ago there was a Crusader state here
    Damascus ruled here 800 years ago
    1000 years ago the Phytimid Caliphate ruled here
    1100 years ago the Abbasid Caliphate ruled here
    1400 years ago Byzantium was here
    1700 years ago this is the territory of Rome
    2100 years ago this territory of the Selykids
    2200 years ago this was the territory of Egypt
    2300 years ago, the Diadochi of Alexander the Great ruled here
    2400 years ago this territory of Persia
    2600 years ago Egypt
    2700 years ago Assyria
    And only in the interval from 3000 years ago to 2700 was the state of Israel here.
    More than 3000 years ago, the Felistines lived here, and before that, Egyptian territories again.
    As you can see, Israel's rights to this land are quite controversial and ambiguous. For centuries and millennia, Arabs lived here and this territory was under the control of Muslim countries. This was clearly visible when Israel was founded in 1948, Arabs lived here and Jews had to be imported, because there were not enough locals to create a state. The result is today's golem.
    1. +3
      11 October 2023 23: 38
      After all, the State of Israel was artificially created only in 1948


      Do you even know how many states were artificially created in the 20th century?
      About a hundred!

      For example, such a state as “Syria” never existed before the 20th century.
      Syria is just a piece of the Ottoman Empire, from which, after WW1, they carved out a kingdom for the Hashemite dynasty. There, all the borders were drawn by Europeans on the map using a ruler.
  32. +4
    11 October 2023 11: 16
    Regarding mobilization, the author compares incomparable things. The territory of Israel is 20000 square kilometers, if it were necessary to call up 300000 in some Leningrad region, no problems would arise in Russia either
    1. +6
      11 October 2023 11: 31
      Quote: certero
      Israel's territory is 20000 square kilometers

      The territory of the Kaluga region is 29777 sq. km, I took the region just offhand.
      That is, the vaunted Israeli anti-missile dome could not protect even an area smaller than Kaluga from homemade Palestinian missiles.
      The same applies to mobilization, but the author of the article thinks it’s spitting.
      1. +2
        11 October 2023 15: 18
        The first time I heard about the blessed "IRON CUP", when the details of how it worked came out, I don't know if I commented on the YT video I was watching or thought about it...

        If they have 1000 missiles (I think there weren't many) that they can shoot down... if I send them 2000 missiles... 1000 missiles will fly by, right?

        Let's say, if each rocket costs 100 rubles, and each rocket costs 20 rubles, as if the blessed dome is not only useless, but also dangerously expensive.

        Dangerous because it makes me believe in something I can't accomplish, and it's also expensive compared to the weapons my enemy can produce.

        What happened? The Palestinians filled the BOWL and it fell.

        This myth if it fell!


        In Spanish :

        "La primera vez que oí hablar de la dichosa "CUPULA DE HIERRO", cuando saltaron los detalles de como funcionaba, no sé si comenté en el video de YT que vi o lo pensé...

        Si tienen 1.000 misiles (creo que andaba por ahí el número) para derribar... Si les mando 2.000 cohetes... 1.000 cohetes pasarán, no?

        Digamos que si cada cohete sale 100 rublos y cada misil sale 20.000 rublos, como que la dichosa cúpula no solo no sirve, sino que es peligrosamente costosa.

        Peligrosa porque me hace creer una cosa que no va a poder cumplir y encima cuesta mucho en relación con las armas que mi enemigo puede producir.

        Y que paso? Los Palestinos saturaron la cupula y esta se cayó.

        Este Mito si se cayo!"
      2. +1
        12 October 2023 07: 40
        Quote: bober1982
        That is, the vaunted Israeli anti-missile dome could not protect even an area smaller than Kaluga from homemade Palestinian missiles.

        Yes, that is right.

        Defense does not (usually) win wars.
    2. 0
      12 October 2023 07: 45
      Quote: certero
      if it were necessary to call up 300000 in some Leningrad region, no problems would arise in Russia either

      They would have taken Winter there for the second time. By the way, how are Aurora’s guns doing? Are they still functioning or have the Bolsheviks emasculated just in case?
  33. +4
    11 October 2023 11: 53
    "The spitting is quite offensive for us." The author is the one who spat at himself: you don’t see the difference between a mobilized person and a reservist.
    1. +4
      11 October 2023 13: 33
      The author is the one who spat at himself: you don’t see the difference between a mobilized person and a reservist.

      The difference is obvious to everyone. I think for Alexander too.
      These are simply incomparable things.
      So for those who don’t know, the reservist has his things at HOME.
      It would really be surprising if he were left without them.
      But knowledgeable people said that many Jews, in their haste, managed to forget them in such a situation.
      So this is a normal attack on the fan.
      No, of course, our rear officials messed up beyond measure and I really want to tell them.
      But if you write an article, you need to do it correctly.

      In general, of course, I somehow can’t wrap my head around what happened.
      Five K missiles, albeit makeshift missiles.
      How can they be carried out unnoticed and, most importantly, deployed in positions.
      Roughly speaking, this is 350 hurricanes (THREE HUNDRED FIFTY!!!) This is if you line them up 5 km. Can't see a 5 km target from the same distance?
  34. +3
    11 October 2023 12: 04
    I’ll try to oppose Mr. Staver regarding his “vision” of the situation between Israel and Hamas... I have “vague doubts and premonitions” that Israel “slept through” the situation with Hamas and ended up where it ended up, having the most advanced, equipped, unprincipled and successful intelligence services in the world... All this rather looks like a well-thought-out special. the operation of MI6 and the CIA to eliminate Hamas, which was too “played with revolutionism” in the Middle East, became poorly “managed” from London and Washington.. A small “excursion” into the history of the creation of Hamas: the Hamas movement was created on December 14 1987 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, as the Muslim Brotherhood organization, in opposition to Ya. Arafat's movement - the PLO, with money from MI6 and the US intelligence services. If the PLO has recently begun to turn into a completely “civilized” and negotiable structure that wants the peaceful coexistence of Palestine and Israel, then “Hamas” has turned into an outright “bully” of the Middle East, having frankly forgotten “from whose palm it is pecking”... Therefore, the Anglo-Saxons decided to “nullify” Hamas (as they once “nullified” their “pupil” - Bin Laden and his movement for the same “forgetfulness” about the “palms that feed him” and for his independence in decision-making). Nowadays, “Hamas” has become an uncontrollable force because of the “hillock”, too radical and very close to Iran, Syria and, further down the list.... The “nullification” of “Hamas” was supposed to be the “hands” of the Israeli Armed Forces.... Scenario, like any scenario, it has its drawbacks and surprises, which was confirmed as a result of Hamas strikes and opposition from the Israeli Armed Forces... A large number of casualties on both sides, mutual cruelty - all this was probably provided for by the plans of London and Washington , which once again confirms the idea that the peoples of Europe, Asia, Africa, Latin America, Israel are expendable material, “cannon fodder” in Anglo-Saxon geopolitical plans... Ukraine is a clear example that should serve as a good example for both Israel and the Middle East, in in general... Something like this...
    1. +3
      11 October 2023 15: 21
      I agree with you.

      It's nice to have a little historical context to know how the shots come about!

      In Spanish :

      I agree with you.

      Es bueno tener un poco de contexto histórico para saber como vienen los tiros!
  35. +3
    11 October 2023 12: 21
    Israel prepared for past wars, and now it got hit in the teeth! Hamas militants used drones to carry out precise reconnaissance of Israeli positions, and also used FPV drones to blow up Israeli armored vehicles and checkpoints! The slippers even managed to drop a cumulative bomb on Merkava4!
  36. -1
    11 October 2023 12: 23
    I hate it when the Russian Army is called second in the world.
    We are not second. We are the first Army in the world.
    In the USA, gays and weaklings, there are no bonds there, decay of morals is everywhere.
    And our bonds are strong.
    1. +1
      11 October 2023 14: 39
      Quote from Omega option
      In the USA, gays and weaklings, there are no bonds there, decay of morals is everywhere.
      And our bonds are strong.

      Why did you write your name in English, our strong one?
  37. +2
    11 October 2023 12: 28
    The slippers even managed to accurately drop a cumulative bomb on Merkava4! Israel stupidly prepared for past wars and did not notice how its high technologies were outdated!
    1. +1
      11 October 2023 14: 51
      Israel simply thought that it would bomb everyone with drones. But it turned out that they could apply the same
  38. +2
    11 October 2023 12: 28
    Why jump from a paraglider, you can sit on it and you don’t need to prepare a paratrooper and don’t need to buy equipment for him; again, you need height to jump.
  39. +1
    11 October 2023 12: 47
    What, Israeli..... (Russian) the specialists didn’t study the war in Ukraine? Didn’t know that such weapons are quite effective? If you didn’t know, then you need to drive away such specialists with a filthy broom. And if they knew and did not attach any importance to this, did not track the operator training centers and drone delivery routes, then according to the laws of war...

    You can probably write the same about SVO with parentheses.
  40. +1
    11 October 2023 15: 07
    Forgive me if I'm a fan of the Secret Files...

    I think there are two related situations.

    On the one hand, there is a relaxation of security measures and a number of issues that obviously were not taken into account.

    On the other hand, I am filled with disbelief that Israeli intelligence was unable to detect such an operation.

    If many weapons came through Turkey, as mentioned in another article on this site, it is surprising that Israel did not know about it.

    Does it smell rotten? Yes.

    Poor training of the army on the borders, belief in their racial superiority (Yes, because in Israel they believe that they are superior to the Arabs) combined with the fact that in certain authorities it was decided to abandon the Hamas initiative, in order to then achieve justification, supported by propaganda use the vast media (which we already know they control well) and end some or all of the conflict.

    Israel's policies of apartheid and extermination are not alien to this historical circumstance.

    Let us remember, as mentioned here, that during the events of 11/XNUMX not a single US Air Force plane took off, NOT one, even though I already knew they were under attack.

    In less than a few hours, air traffic controllers shot down thousands of planes flying over the area, and yet not a single fighter took off.

    The strong characterization of victimization given by the Western media is, as one Mexican journalist put it, "selective outrage" at the brutality and violence of Hamas attacks, ignoring the 70 years of apartheid of the Palestinian people, which are not fields of roses...

    Excuse me, but everything that comes from the West seems to me, at least, garbage.

    The massacre they are carrying out in Gaza is a clear demonstration of who benefits from all this... and it makes me think of Oliver Stone's movie "JFK" when the Special Forces Colonel tells the Prosecutor exactly this.

    Finally.


    In Spanish :

    "Disculpenme si soy fanatico de los Expedientes Secretos...

    Creo que hay dos situaciones que se hermanan.

    Por un lado, el ablandamiento de las medidas de seguridad y varias cuestiones que obviamente no se han tenido en cuenta.

    Y por otro lado, la incredulidad que me asalta a que la inteligencia Israelí no haya sido capaz de detectar semejante operación.

    Si muchas armas entraron a traves de Turquía, como menciona otro articulo de este sitio, es increíble que Israel no haya estado al tanto.

    Huele a podrido? Si.

    La mala preparación del Ejército en las fronteras, la creencia en su superioridad racial (Si, porque en Israel se creen superiores a los árabes), sumado a que dentro de ciertos órganos de poder se haya tomado la decisión de dejar pasar la iniciativa de Hamas para luego lograr la justificación, apoyada con la propaganda masiva de medios (que ya sabemos controlan bien) y terminar con parte del conflicto o con todo.

    La política de apartheid y exterminio implementada por Israel, no es ajena a esta circunstancia histórica.

    Recordemos, como ya se ha mencionado acá, que cuando los sucesos del 11 de septiembre, ningún avión de la Fuerza Aérea yanqui despegó, NINGUNO, a pesar que ya sabía que estaban bajo ataque.

    En menos de unas horas, los controladores aéreos "bajaron" miles de aviones que estaban volando por el territorio, y sin embargo ningún avión de caza despegó.

    La fuerte caracterización de la victimización, dada por los medios occidentales, como dijo un periodista mexicano, "la indignación selectiva" por la crudeza y violencia de los ataques de Hamas, obviando los 70 años de apartheid del pueblo Palestino que no son campos de rosas ...

    Disculpenme, pero todo lo que venga de Occidente me resulta a basura, como minimo.

    La masacre que están haciendo en Gaza, es una clara demostración de a quien beneficia todo esto... Y me hace acordar a la película de Oliver Stone "JFK", cuando el Coronel de las fuerzas especiales le dice al Fiscal justamente eso.. .

    En fin...."
  41. +2
    11 October 2023 21: 10
    Not one air defense system will be able to repel so many even “homemade missiles” launched simultaneously, we know that! Hamas prepared carefully and the results are clear! Yes
  42. 0
    11 October 2023 23: 23
    This war will shed much more blood than all previous ones.


    Somehow doubtful.
    The Yom Kippur War (1973) gave Israel losses of 3 thousand people, 120 aircraft and more than 500 tanks.
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  44. 0
    12 October 2023 12: 23
    Why is it so difficult? What did the army do, what did radio intelligence do, etc.
    But what did those who simply had to look at surveillance devices at the border, conducting round-the-clock monitoring, do? What was the situation with the video cameras at the border and those who were making these images? Judging by the publications, all this was in sufficient quantity; birds were seen flying up to the fence. And what did the banal sentries at the military base and other places of military concentration do? As far as we know, no one raised the alarm, and nothing was done anywhere to meet their enemy. Answering these questions, in my opinion, is easier than analyzing why radio intelligence did not find out anything...
  45. 0
    13 October 2023 19: 09
    Everything is going according to plan, the Gaza sector, to the joy of the Jews, will be destroyed, crowds of Palestinians will flee to the south and will quietly die there from cold, hunger and disease. All progressive humanity will shut their tongues, you know where, and will silently look at this whole nightmare. And that’s all .Well, all over the world there will be screams, screams, attempts on Jews all over the world and nothing more. The right of the mighty. The sponsors of this event again miscalculated, no one will harness the power of the poor Palestinians. Well, the terrorists are again on horseback, they cheered up the Jews, they killed the Jews Palestinians, Palestinians killed Jews, the genie of hatred is out of the bottle. True, the Jews must somehow remember that one corporal 80 years ago also spoke about the responsibility of an entire people, I wonder which one. And the Jews also probably forgot the ghettos of Minsk, Kaunskoe, Warsaw . They correctly say that Zionism is akin to fascism. Well, in this situation, we need to act while there is such a niggle in the world and everyone needs Ukraine.