Israel is just the beginning

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Israel is just the beginning

Let's talk today about what is happening in Israel from a rather unique point of view.

Let's start with “who are the heroes?” Israel - how is it related to us? No way. It so happened that although there are many former compatriots there, the relations are below average. But: they didn’t sell or donate the “Iron Dome” to Ukraine – and that’s the point. Although the songs of the “ladies” in the IDF uniform about “Chervona Kalina” were strange. The anthem of the UPA, the executioners from which slaughtered Jews in Volyn in 1943, performed by seemingly Israeli women (albeit with Ukrainian roots) - well, this is a so-so show.



In general, I would like our readers from there, Voyaka, Aaron and others to live in accordance with the canons until they are 120 years old and die differently than some of their fellow citizens have recently. I really want that.

As for these “poor oppressed Palestinians”... I’ve listened to this eternal fairy tale since school, yes. You know, when I saw a video shot by one animal about how other animals kept their feet on Shani Luk, whom they had killed, and other animals spat on what used to be a girl, I somehow had no other thoughts. Animals.

The ugliest thing here is that 30-year-old German citizen Luk actively participated in the work of a Canadian organization that... was engaged in “the integration and adaptation of foreign specialists in Canada.” I don’t know how she managed it there, but the religious brothers of these specialists grabbed her in a music festival camp, broke her legs, killed her and then drove her around Gaza so that everyone (all on video) could spit on her corpse.

The “Roads of Death” that I saw in the footage from there immediately reminded me of that same “Road of Death” from Lugansk to Novosvetlovka towards Izvarino. Almost ten years have passed, but you know, human memory is a complicated thing.


In general, it depends on everyone, but personally, I’m definitely not on the same path with such “allies.” But the point here is not about parodies of people, it’s about the shepherds who tend this herd. It's not about those who shoot civilians and mock women. These parodies of people are only capable of demonstrating their “achievements” to the whole world on camera.

So, I can safely say that in this situation I am an almost impartial observer, drawing certain conclusions. And the fact that not everyone will like these conclusions is expectedly normal.

Today many are really surprised by what is happening in Israel. And they come to the conclusion that the IDF is not as good as they said, and MOSSAD has forgotten how to work as a special service, and the Merkava is generally a disappointment of the year.

I would take the liberty of pointing out the fact that everything is being done on the basis of a rather incomplete picture coming from there. Much of what is hidden behind the scenes is inaccessible and does not allow us to draw full conclusions about what is happening.

What I would like to voice first of all is that the real units of the Palestinian army are not the organisms that run around with AKs and flip-flops on their bare feet in the video frames. Let's not repeat fairy tales that bandits can defeat a regular army. Are these in sweatpants and flip-flops, in colored T-shirts in the video the ones who killed the Israeli soldiers before this? Don't tell me, that's not the case. The Israeli soldiers were not killed by those who then mocked the corpses on camera.


Behind the real fighters of the Palestinian army is a whole array of well-trained specialists from Iran who work on the Palestinian fighters, preparing them for somewhat greater achievements than shooting with a machine gun and RPG.

And in general, Iran is behind the Palestinians. And this is a force that cannot be ignored. I am sure that Iranian specialists spent more than one month working on all the aspects of this operation. The way it went in the initial phase shows that a lot of work was done in terms of collecting and analyzing intelligence information, preparing and implementing plans, and much more, as a result of which the plans became a reality.

And you and I see only that part of the picture that we are allowed to see.

By the way, as proof: not a single video frame of the capture of Israeli General Aloni, who was taken in bed.


Only photos, beautifully edited and with not only faces painted over, but also weapons. Which, by the way, indirectly indicates that the general was not taken by these, with Chinese AKs and in sandals, but by quite a special force, the only question is where, the army or the IRGC.

These are all “Palestinian militias”, they are nothing more than lubricant for Israeli bayonets. Their value is low; all these organisms can do is kill unarmed populations and cause panic. But they can arrange this very effectively. And then they will simply die, abandoned as unnecessary.

But behind their backs, real fighters will take bases as if they were not guarded at all. Can you even imagine that the Israeli army on the border with Gaza suddenly went on a spree and abandoned duty? Sorry, I don't believe it. But the fact that the Israelis were outplayed by more prepared guys is easy.

We look at them as Israelis Tanks drones they are dropping grenades, but it would be worth looking at the very synchronized launch of hundreds of missiles, which really strained Israel’s air defense. And it would be worth thinking about the fact that Iranian electronic intelligence could very clearly monitor the missiles and drones, ensuring proper target designation.

I apologize, but I am not delighted with the Palestinian side; they have never been able to show anything sensible except guerrilla warfare and terror. Here the game is at a very high level, perhaps even higher than that of the Israeli side.

The raid that the Palestinians staged across Israeli territory, with the seizure of military bases and cities, the panic that inevitably arose as a result of this, and the competently carried out information pressure - this is worthy of respect.

The only mistake is the mass execution of civilians. But here, alas, there were no other performers, and the Iranians, known for their “love” for Israel, were unlikely to behave differently.

When you understand why all this was planned, and understanding does not come immediately, then you begin to understand why everything turns out this way.

After all, the point, you see, is not about terror, it’s just that the performers cannot offer anything else. Well, yes, several years of throwing explosives into residential areas of Israel using various carriers is a so-so achievement. And here the opportunity presented itself - to shoot at Jews with almost impunity...

That's what the organisms from the PLO did. But serious people took up completely different matters.

What does this attack mean for Iran?


This is receiving a huge amount of information about Israel's capabilities. Command response speed, situation response protocols, mobilization speed, army readiness, intelligence capabilities.

Possession of this information could cost several hundred Palestinians; the game is clearly worth the candle.

And yes: do not be mistaken in thinking that Hamas has a real chance of success. However, events have shown that even if Hamas is provided with proper leadership and information support, the militants can become a very serious weapon. However, this is the case in the world stories has already happened more than once.

And more than once in world history, what Netanyahu promised terrorists has happened, namely hell on earth. And Israel's promises to turn Gaza into one big pile of rubble should be taken more than seriously. But Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on Earth and any missile strike will reap a very bloody harvest, which is expected to be followed by a completely logical jihad. In general, you understand what I mean.

Today, many quote the late Zhirinovsky, who once spoke very beautifully about how that region could go up in flames. From the heart and half the planet.

Let's look at Israel's power bloc?


Indeed, the fact that intelligence, which is considered one of the best in the world, screwed up, to put it mildly, is more than strange. Why did MOSSAD miss the preparation of such a strike, and who is to blame is a logical question.

MOSSAD no matter how guilty, it looks strange, but it’s true. Many today are bending this institution in every way, reproaching many unpleasant things. But MOSSAD is a state intelligence service of a military-political nature, and Gaza is under the jurisdiction of military intelligence and counterintelligence of the operational departments of the headquarters of those formations stationed along the border. They must bear responsibility for the fact that Hamas passed through Israeli cordons like a knife through butter.

But in general, MOSSAD should have been aware of what was being planned against the country. Otherwise, what kind of special service is this? Having its own agents everywhere? Perhaps MOSSAD was simply confused by good disinformation with the help of agents in other countries. For example, by arranging a bombardment of information similar to the truth or half-truth, without giving the opportunity to understand it. Which, in fact, indicates that at least specialists of no lower level worked against MOSSAD specialists.

IDF. The Israeli army surprised everyone, and I'm afraid it surprised itself. To lose twice as many soldiers in one day than during the last war with Lebanon, to lose several settlements, military bases and facilities... Some 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX by the Israeli military, many of whom were clearly taken by surprise. It’s surprising, of course, but if the aforementioned Iranian special forces acted, the questions really go away. It is not as difficult for specialists to remove guards in peacetime, even in a tense sector, as for ordinary military personnel, to oppose them with something.

Why is there such confidence in the work of special forces? Judge for yourself: the media are talking (and the IDF even confirms) about the death of two generals and the capture of four. In addition, five colonels and one lieutenant colonel of the Israeli army were killed. Moreover, most of them died together with their families at home.

What does this mean? The fact that on the other side everything was worked out to the smallest detail and, perhaps, teams of liquidators were transferred and introduced in advance. And these teams worked on their targets and their families early in the morning of October 7 and thereby paralyzed the army command in the south of the country. Perhaps these liquidations can explain the disorganization of the IDF and the police.

It is well known and proven through historical examples that an army can do very little without proper command.

On the other hand, the capture of the headquarters of the Gaza division and the center of the Navy and subsequent retention - well, it’s hard to believe that this was done by irregular formations that were somehow armed.

Since Israel has officially declared the start of hostilities with all that it entails, we must understand that the war is not a special operation, the IDF will act harshly. And the number of hostages that Hamas militants took, even taking into account the fact that there are many tourists from Western countries, will not play a role. Apparently, the calculation was precisely that a large number of hostages in Gaza would in a certain way hinder the actions of the Israeli army.

But nevertheless, Hamas forces numbering up to three infantry battalions were able to give a hefty slap to the IDF, but a won battle is not a won war, is it?

Use of Hamas in huge numbers drones (I wonder whose production) with well-established tactics of target designation and destruction of armored targets in the style of the Ukrainian Armed Forces - it was a frankly unpleasant surprise for the Israelis. Of course, it’s unpleasant when a Merkava tank, which is considered one of the best in the world, equipped with a KAZ, is suddenly destroyed by dropping a cumulative warhead from an RPG-7 on it from a civilian quadcopter. And the second tank is destroyed by a shot from the same RPG-7.

What about KAZ “Trophy”? It looks kind of humiliating, to be honest. Somewhere there is either not enough work, or too much advertising.

It is clear that Israel will now announce (most likely has already announced) mobilization, bring up artillery and armored vehicles, and raise the air force. And here is the Israeli Air Force - this is not leveled out by quadcopters. And no matter how good the Igla MANPADS are, which Hamas seems to have already used on Israeli planes, the Israeli aviation - this is a trump card that is fought with great difficulty, if beaten at all.

What the Palestinians staged was a brutal, bloody show. There will be no strategic success, naturally, everything captured by the Israelis will be taken back, there is no doubt about that. Yes, the Palestinians will take reputational and informational bonuses, but what good will they do... Like hoisting the Ukrainian flag in Crimea. Or visits of terror groups from the State Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine to Russian territory. By the way, it seems that only Hamas is doing bloodier things.

Palestinian troops will not be able to withstand combat with the Israeli army. This is a fact, but we will make a reservation: in the event that no one else supports them. But geopolitically, consideration of the conflict will take up such a volume that a separate article will simply be required. Naturally, such an analysis will be very useful.

But, judging by the statements, Israel plans to respond as harshly as possible and without “red lines” or demonstrations of readiness to negotiate. As usual, however. So those living in Gaza will most likely have to come to terms with the fact that the Strip will be wiped off the face of the earth.

And this is a completely possible option.

But this is really just the beginning. In order to properly assess what is happening, we will have to give a complete picture of who is involved in this conflict and who is pursuing what goals. We understand perfectly well that, naturally, this is not about Hamas and Israel, as such. The game includes many more unexpected participants, especially since we, that is, Russia, are among the beneficiaries.

So to be continued.
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  1. +14
    10 October 2023 04: 58
    Cruelty towards civilians will alienate many who once sympathized with Palestine. If you haven't already pushed me away
    1. +13
      10 October 2023 05: 20
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Cruelty towards civilians will alienate many who once sympathized with Israel. If you haven't already pushed me away

      This is a double-edged sword.
      And the footage of the executions of Israeli soldiers painfully reminds me of the footage of the executions of Iraqi and Syrian soldiers by ISIS at their bases... almost one to one.
      It seems to me that the conductor of all this is the same.
      1. +19
        10 October 2023 08: 39
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        And the footage of the executions of Israeli soldiers painfully reminds me of the footage of the executions of Iraqi and Syrian soldiers by ISIS at their bases... almost one to one.

        Is it irony or something else, but the leaders of the ISIS were evacuated from Syria to Israel, and until recently, the ISIS in Syria was supervised by Israel.
        But: they didn’t sell or donate the “Iron Dome” to Ukraine – and that’s the point.
        It is clear that delivering anti-drone systems and 300 thousand 155 mm shells to a country without Nazism, because the president there is a Jew, is nonsense.
      2. +1
        10 October 2023 08: 56
        Footage of executions of civilians and so on, it’s just terrible. Israel is now in a state of shepherd they are driving them into the ground into hell. Having created a real fiery hell on earth. What Palestine was counting on was open support from Iran and Lebanon. But these are very thin threads that can all lead to other conflicts breaking out and leading to TMB.
      3. +14
        10 October 2023 19: 08
        You are absolutely right about the executions, but I would like to add the early bombing of the Gaza Strip. After today's carpet bombing, why did the author remain silent? When high-rise buildings fold up. As for Iran, this is a rotten option. And KARMA, it turned out, arrived in time. For shells, for mercenaries, for hospitals for wounded Nazis, for a song, for two Israeli women. In life, you have to pay for everything.
      4. +2
        11 October 2023 09: 33
        And the footage of the executions of Israeli soldiers painfully reminds me of the footage of the executions of Iraqi and Syrian soldiers by ISIS at their bases... almost one to one.
        It seems to me that the conductor of all this is the same.

        Or maybe this is just an attempt to solve the Palestine issue in one fell swoop under the World “approval”?
        And should we look for conductors in Israel? What about the victims? So war and terrorists!
        There is no Palestine, new lands of Israel, and the enemies around to maintain tension will not end for a long time...
    2. +41
      10 October 2023 07: 00
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Cruelty towards civilians will alienate many who once sympathized with Palestine. If you haven't already pushed me away

      Are many people put off by the cruelty towards civilians in Donbass? The Avenue of Angels blocked the path of many? Did this sober up many people and make them think?
      1. +1
        11 October 2023 09: 48
        Quote: BecmepH
        Are many people put off by the cruelty towards civilians in Donbass? The Avenue of Angels blocked the path of many? Did this sober up many people and make them think?

        You don't understand, this is DIFFERENT...
    3. +9
      10 October 2023 07: 11
      Palestine is not just one Hamas, and Arab countries understand this. By the way, these Hamas supporters supported the overthrow of the legitimate government of Smriya. Why Iran needs this, in the sense of supporting Hamas, I don’t understand. For the sake of hurting Israel, perhaps
      1. +3
        10 October 2023 17: 13
        Because "Carthage must be destroyed!" © Marcus Porcius Cato the Elder
    4. +19
      10 October 2023 08: 13
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Cruelty towards civilians will alienate many who once sympathized with Palestine.


      What about harshness towards Gaza on the part of Israel? After all, if there is no pity/sympathy for the Hamas militants (they deserve revenge...liquidation), then there is a completely different attitude towards the civilian population of Palestine, and Israel is simply razing Gaza off the face of the earth, multi-storey buildings collapse like cardboard boxes from the impacts...victims there will be a lot. What did these people do to deserve this??? This is a real genocide, to which the West turns a blind eye because of the Israeli lobby in the world.

      And the Arabs see it all.... recently I went to one of the state. media sites (I don’t remember which country), so on the main page there is a girl of 9-10 years old with a photo in her hands, and in the photo her classmate who died after air strikes on Gaza, along with her brother and parents... and how many such families ? But how many people will lose loved ones after such carpet bombings, and we will take revenge over generations (which is what is happening now), the spiral of violence will only unwind....

      And the only option to stop the violence... is recognition of the Palestinian state, compromise and the existence of two peoples on one territory, there are no other acceptable options.
      1. -6
        10 October 2023 09: 53
        After all, if there is no pity/sympathy for the Hamas militants (they deserve revenge...liquidation), then there is a completely different attitude towards the civilian population of Palestine, and Israel is simply razing Gaza off the face of the earth, multi-storey buildings collapse like cardboard boxes from the impacts...victims there will be a lot. What did these people do to deserve this???

        Funny people. Who is interested in civilians and when? That’s how we ironed Grozny, too, without really looking around to see if there was a peaceful population there or not. What about Mariupol and Bakhmut? Did all the civilians manage to get out? And did you also have to fight the enemy there, regardless of whether the civilians managed to stay in the city or not? Remember, when it comes to your own life and the lives of the people entrusted to you, not a single commander will think about who is in the next room - a peaceful person or a fighter with a machine gun, he will simply force the soldiers to throw a grenade into the room and that’s it. There was an enemy - okay, there was a civilian - they are worried that they have not identified themselves and will move on.

        Israel experienced its Budenovsk three days ago. Let me remind you what conclusions we ourselves made after that tragedy - “no negotiations with terrorists,” which literally became the slogan of the current head of state throughout his entire reign.

        And the only option to stop the violence... is recognition of the Palestinian state, compromise and the existence of two peoples on one territory, there are no other acceptable options.

        Those. Did the Russian Federation also need to recognize Ichkeria and the Dudayev regime? However...
        1. +20
          10 October 2023 10: 14
          Quote: Dante
          Funny people. Who is interested in civilians and when? That’s how we ironed Grozny, too, without really looking around to see if there was a peaceful population there or not. What about Mariupol and Bakhmut?


          Quote: Dante
          Those. Did the Russian Federation also need to recognize Ichkeria and the Dudayev regime? However...


          The situations are definitely different, because... Russia carried out counter-terrorism operations in the Caucasus, and the goal was not the genocide of the Chechen people, to destroy the nation right at the root, but they flew at civilians during the combat mission, but no one specifically hit them....

          And Israel is carrying out precisely the genocide of Gaza, and is carrying out revenge.... because. The special services/army did not show their best side, many Jews died, and now they are equalizing everything indiscriminately. + the goal is the complete elimination of Palestine as such, and preferably together with the population. We never set the goal of eliminating the Chechen people and this is our difference..... and this is without taking into account many factors that exist in the confrontation between Israel and Palestine.

          Besides, where is the line between the destruction of terrorists and the genocide of a nation? This is a fine line... and Israel crosses it, and deliberately. And if you argue as you do in your comment, then anything can be justified, any genocide can be subsumed under the destruction of terrorists and the right of a nation to survive can be denied... so I repeat once again, the situations are different and each one needs to be solved differently, one by one there is no recipe.
          1. +6
            10 October 2023 11: 20
            This is a fine line... and Israel crosses it, and deliberately.
            So the Zionists are no less Nazis than in the West. They just didn't show it off. The “final solution to the Palestinian question” will still not happen yet, because it may come to Israel. Arabs inevitably unite so as not to become next. They will destroy Gaza with the tacit consent of “all progressive humanity” and I think they will stop there until the next round of escalation.
            1. +2
              10 October 2023 12: 13
              So the Zionists are no less Nazis than in the West.

              What do you want? Nations, just like the nationalism they generate, are purely a product of bourgeois society, the protracted terminal stage of which we are witnessing. And the further we go, the more such conflicts there will be. You don’t need to be Zhirinovsky here to predict further developments.
              1. +1
                10 October 2023 12: 35
                Nations, just like the nationalism they generate, are purely a product of bourgeois society, the protracted terminal stage of which we are witnessing.
                I strongly agree with you. And all this will end with another leap into the Stone Age, if, of course, enough people survive.
          2. +14
            10 October 2023 12: 00
            The situations are definitely different, because... Russia carried out CTO in the Caucasus, and the goal was not genocide of the Chechen people,

            Well, the CTO regime was introduced only during the second campaign, and not immediately. Before this, military actions were called “establishing constitutional order,” and this very establishment of order was not regulated by any legal document, not even by the very constitution in the name of which it was supposedly carried out, because Chechnya signed a federal treaty and de jure became part of the Russian Federation only in 1997 This time.

            Secondly, despite the emotional speeches of the Israeli military leadership, official channels claim that the Israeli army and air force strikes are predominantly carried out either on targets that are used for military purposes or on targets related to the activities of the Hamas party. We can certainly be skeptical about this, but we ourselves recently struck a hotel in Odessa that was being used to house Western instructors. Where is the guarantee that Hamas is not pursuing the same strategy: making maximum use of civilian infrastructure to make it difficult to identify targets and make it difficult to use weapons against them? Will there be mistakes and deaths of civilians in this case? Yes, of course, they will, but who is more to blame for this - those who hide behind civilians in order to avoid responsibility, or those who do not want to take revenge on the murderers of civilians themselves become such - this is already a question of morality. But to say that the Israelis have set as their goal the eradication of absolutely all Palestinians is, at the very least, a deliberate sin against the truth. I am sure that if tomorrow the Palestinians hand over the militants and leadership of Hamas and return the hostages from among those who can still be saved, the fighting will immediately stop, water will run through the pipes again, and electricity will flow through the wires.

            And if you argue as you do in your comment, then anything can be justified, any genocide can be subsumed under the extermination of terrorists and the nation’s right to survive can be denied....

            But you propose instead to justify the terrorist act and pretend that nothing happened, that there were no killed and torn to pieces at this unfortunate festival, that schools and hospitals were not captured, and that the civilian population that came to hand was not shot. What is your electoral position, don’t you think? Insisting on the right to life of some, why do you deny the right to life to others.
            1. +6
              10 October 2023 15: 25
              Quote: Dante
              I am sure that if tomorrow the Palestinians hand over the militants and leadership of Hamas and return the hostages from among those who can still be saved, the fighting will immediately stop, water will run through the pipes again, and electricity will flow through the wires.


              And what will change? Nothing. Terror is only a consequence....and the reason is in Israeli policy, there will be no Hamas - new organizations will appear, leaders will be killed/arrested - new ones will come and so on, the spiral of violence will continue.

              And the only peaceful path is recognition of the Palestinian state by Israel, and then through negotiations/dialogue this hostility can be reduced to nothing..... it will be difficult, generations will change until reconciliation is possible, but there is no other normal way.

              And I don’t argue that the Hamas terrorists deserve punishment - for killing people at the festival, for the horrors that the people who encountered them experienced, but it’s not worth equating some of the radicals with the entire Palestinian people. This is not a solution... and certainly not to carry out genocide of a nation. Jews/Palestinians all deserve the right to life, and to exist peacefully, like any other nation, there can be no exception.
              1. +9
                10 October 2023 20: 04
                And what will change? Nothing. Terror is only a consequence... and the reason is Israeli policy,

                The reason is not the policy of Israel, but the very existence of the Jewish state, the existence of which the Arabs will never accept. It is a fact.

                In general, as for cause-and-effect relationships, and the fact that a supposedly good (or even rationally justified) reason automatically removes any restrictions in the choice of methods to achieve it, then if you follow this path, you can come very far. So far away that the materials of the Nuremberg trials of 1945-1946 will seem like the work of unintelligent children. As an example, the recent statement by the worthy daughter of Armenia that it is necessary to detonate a thermonuclear charge over Siberia. But she, too, at first glance, was guided by a good goal - to save the peoples of the planet from information dependence. Only this person doesn’t give a damn about us, who live on the territory of this very Siberia, because there is no “life” at all beyond the Moscow Ring Road, and everyone who lives here, for her white mistress, is nothing more than a stupid herd and cattle, which she, an enlightened person, the bearer of strong truths, not a bit sorry.

                it will be difficult, generations will change until reconciliation is possible, but there is no other normal way.

                You know, a completely different story is indicative here. For some reason, the most reliable partners and allies are made from completely broken and conquered enemies. To confirm my words, it is enough to look at the relationship between Japan and the United States over the last hundred years or at the now disappeared GDR, which while the Warsaw Warsaw and CMEA existed was the strongest and most reliable ally of the USSR on the European continent. What was it... Many East Germans still have phantom pains about this period, but our ancestors walked across the lands of Germany with an iron roller and, in theory, the East Germans should have hated us fiercely, but this was not from the word "at all". Stockholm syndrome, you guess? It may well be, if, of course, this term is generally applicable to such large-scale social groups as entire ethnic groups. However, what is noteworthy is that in both cases the victors did not fall into a bloody frenzy and did not descend to mass extermination, they simply did not feel reverence for the civilian population and this turned out to be quite enough, because the human losses during the military clash were so great as a result , which, several generations in advance, sobered up everyone who could even entertain the thought of revenge. I think something similar awaits Palestine and its people.

                but it is not worth equating some of the radicals with the entire Palestinian people. This is not a solution...

                Of course, in any conflict there are two sides, which made it inevitable. Some are more right, some are less. But the one who first takes the path of violence is absolutely wrong. And we must admit that this time, the first to cross the line, revealing a bottomless abyss of pain and despair, was not Israel. Is it worth supporting the Jewish state on this basis? No, of course, under no circumstances, because they themselves created a situation where there were very few options left for a political settlement. However, we should not go to the other extreme and take the side of Palestine just because we have very difficult relations with Israel.

                Both are simply different sides of the same coin, the face value of which is the lives of ordinary people, with which politicians on both sides of the border are ready to pay for achieving their abstract goals. And there is absolutely nothing to choose here, because this is not even a choice between very bad and just bad, it is a choice between the devil and the devil. As practice shows, it is better to stay away from both.
                1. +4
                  10 October 2023 21: 17
                  The reason is not the policy of Israel, but the very existence of the Jewish state, the existence of which the Arabs will never accept. It is a fact.
                  Kirill, absolutely right! Your comments provide reasoned responses to the cynical and hypocritical reasoning of self-proclaimed defenders of Palestinian radicals who use methods of terror and are indifferent to their own fellow tribesmen:
                  RIA-Novosti, 07.06.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX: Hamas is an abbreviation of the full name of the organization ''Hara-kat al-Mukawama al-Islamiyya'' (''Islamic resistance movement'').
                  The movement was founded on December 14, 1987 in Gaza City by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, who proclaimed that “every Jew should be considered a military settler, and our duty is to kill him,” and “the liberation of all Palestine from the sea to the Jordan is our strategic goal, and there is no goal more sacred and important." As Sheikh Yassin stated, after liberation from Israeli domination, Palestine will become the center of the Arab and Muslim world. According to program documents, statements by leaders and the actual actions of the movement, Hamas does not recognize either a plan for a peaceful settlement of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict in particular, or Israel’s right to exist in general.
                  Arguments and facts, 15.12.2014/1994/XNUMX: In XNUMX, as a result of negotiations in Oslo, the Palestinian Authority was created in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. The Arab population of Israel considered the results of the meeting humiliating and reacted with a new protest. Hamas began open terror.
                2. +1
                  11 October 2023 11: 22
                  Bravo!!!. Personally, I, who live in Ashkelon, am ready to parse your posts into quotes.
                  As for me, this is one of the most objective opinions and assessments of reality.
                3. 0
                  12 October 2023 03: 27
                  ... "it is necessary to detonate a thermonuclear charge over Siberia" ...
                  Where is this from?
            2. 0
              16 October 2023 13: 02
              Russia has inflicted and is inflicting selective strikes on Ukrainian Armed Forces targets, while Israel resorts to carpet bombing - the difference is obvious. In Israel, at the highest level, they call the Palestinians “beasts” and insist on their liquidation, we have never had anything like that, and in Israel, in fact, they exterminated the Palestinians in reservations, in the Gaza Strip, in the West Bank. Jordan, we have never had anything like this, neither in Ukraine nor in Chechnya. As for Chechnya, it is thriving both economically and politically: it has its own government, the national culture is developing and being protected, the economy and social infrastructure are developing. - It’s not for nothing that Chechens are now fighting en masse in the Northern Military District on the side of Russia. .And Israel does not comply with the decisions of the UN General Assembly on the creation of a Palestinian state, this whole policy: “peace in exchange for territory” is frankly cynical in nature, because it does not provide for the creation of a Palestinian state at all (one returned sq. km is also territory from a formal point of view), Israel has been building and building settlements on Palestinian territory all this time, driving the Palestinians. in fact, on the reservation.....
          3. +3
            10 October 2023 14: 19
            Yeah! This is of course different!))
            Destruction of terrorists entrenched in urban areas, and always spitting on the fate of ordinary residents. Chechnya, Israel. But Israel is completely different!
            It turns out that this is not the destruction of militants, but revenge and genocide for failed reconnaissance!!!
            Another master of changing shoes is on the spot. The cup is waiting for you there in the ward, for the most original delirium
        2. +8
          10 October 2023 21: 23
          You won’t believe it, but in 1996, the Dudayev regime was recognized at the official level and Chechnya became almost “independent” for 3 years. However, this was not enough for the bearded sadists, professing the most peaceful religion, and they went on an attack on Dagestan. And then we know how it all ended. The creation of Palestine will certainly not stop terrorist attacks. You'll see.
        3. +1
          11 October 2023 09: 57
          Quote: Dante
          That’s how we ironed Grozny, too, without really looking around to see if there was a peaceful population there or not. What about Mariupol and Bakhmut? Did all the civilians manage to get out? And did you also have to fight the enemy there, regardless of whether the civilians managed to stay in the city or not?

          Have you been to Grozny or Mariupol, on the civilian or military side? You are talking outright nonsense about the actions of our armed forces in cities with civilian populations.
          My relatives spent 2 months in the plant’s shelter, and when they came out to the RF Armed Forces, the desperate commanders reproached them, why didn’t they come out for so long, which greatly interfered with their work in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. So, no need to throw it on the fan.
          The fact that the civilian population has never stopped the database is a well-known fact. But it imposes strong restrictions on tactics. Well, this is from the adequate ones. Hamas and the IDF are somewhat different.
          1. -1
            11 October 2023 21: 22
            You are talking outright nonsense about the actions of our armed forces in cities with civilian populations.

            Yes, what are you talking about? But the lieutenant colonel of the tank forces, who had to participate in the assault on urban settlements in both the first and second Chechnya, would not agree with you.
            https://topwar.ru/193275-ukraina-boi-v-gorodah.html
        4. -1
          11 October 2023 20: 01
          and that Ichkeria was recognized by a UN resolution? And Palestine should have been created TOGETHER WITH ISRAEL in 1948.
      2. +3
        10 October 2023 13: 42
        What did these people do to deserve this???
        These people deserve to vote for Hamas in elections. It is THESE people who choose terrorism, it is these people who can make you coffee, but God forbid you turn your back to them. It is these people who smile at you when communicating with you, but when they see a helicopter in the sky they shoot their finger at it. And it was THESE people who blew up buses with civilians on the streets of Tel Aviv and other Israeli cities. Hamas' policy does not imply the existence of the State of Israel at all. Over the 75 years of Israel, the Arabs were offered a lot: citizenship (many Arabs live and work well in Israel with an Israeli passport, there are even many Arab doctors), they offered their own state - Arafat refused. They offered to work, get treatment, study. No, they want all the lands. They deny the right to exist to an entire country that has proven that it will survive this war too. Israel has no Siberia, there is nowhere to retreat if Hezbollah comes from the north and bombards with missiles, well, well.” Israel does not have nuclear weapons, but if necessary, we will use it" - Golda Meir. Lebanon will cease to exist.
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          1. +11
            10 October 2023 16: 22
            Poor unfortunate Jews? Yes Yes. Personally, I have no anti-Semitism. Only the State of Israel reaps what they themselves have sown, including. Mirnyak, yes, it’s a pity. At both sides .
          2. +28
            10 October 2023 16: 27
            Can Israel condemn the blockade of Crimea, when people were sitting in hospitals without electricity, the water blockade, shelling of Donbass, executions of civilians in Kupyansk, those burned in Odessa, executions in Mariupol?
            It is on Israeli TV that they are now comparing everything that is happening... with Bucha. With Bucha, damn it. IDF reservists do not deny that they are going on safari to Ukraine.

            I absolutely don’t understand what attitude towards Israeli politics in general you expect from Russian society, excluding the various Galkins there...

            Here, no one has ever supported and does not support the methods that Hamas demonstrated, but no one in Israel even hinted that after defeating ISIS, Russia covered for you, and your government and the Mossad openly took these barmalei “for treatment,” without even hiding anything. It’s your “orthodoxies” who spit on crosses and Christian pilgrims on camera, and some give interviews that this is an “ancient custom.” We don’t understand your “ancient customs”.
            No one here is justifying Hamas, because Russia itself went through terror, but our society will not have a “pro-Israeli position” in general and in everything.
          3. +14
            10 October 2023 17: 49
            When Semites howl against each other, talking about anti-Semitism is a cave-like ignorance and lack of education. Dislike for Jews is Judeophobia. Dislike for Arabs is Arabophobia. Don't thank me.
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              1. +13
                10 October 2023 22: 31
                Quote: prorab_ak
                sandbox of stubborn steely anti-Semites

                You are the real stubborn radicals, you haven’t heard enough insults towards those who disagreed with you - Judeophobes, anti-Semites, Nazis. You don’t even admit that someone might have an opinion that doesn’t agree with you, and you don’t even allow a neutral opinion. To put it mildly, you don’t allow it; you do it all in a harsh manner and with insults. So how are you different from other fanatics who are ready to kill for Islam? You are ready to paint the entire site one color, simply because you were not supported, the majority generally remained neutral... Somehow I didn’t notice that among these “Stalinist anti-Semites” there is such hatred towards those who do not support the actions of the Russian government, they are not Russophobes they call it, but in order not to be an anti-Semite it is not enough to be neutral, you must love Jews. I am sure that the same attitude will be towards those countries that did not rush to defend Israel, including Russia. I used to laugh at the expression about Jewish Nazism, but now it’s somehow no longer funny. These are truly inadequate radicals. Keep up the good work, you will be loved even more for insults like this.
          4. +12
            10 October 2023 21: 27
            Your Semitic government supports Ukrainian Nazis and fascists who kill Russians. How do you think the Russians feel about you and your government? You will certainly not be the most loved and desired. And mind you, this is not because you are Jews, but because your government, for whom you vote, supports the murder of Russians in Ukraine.
            1. -2
              11 October 2023 11: 30
              And your “Russian” GOVERNMENT is genocideing its people for the sake of YOUR wallet??? Did you really vote for such a government???
              Draw your own conclusions.
              1. +2
                11 October 2023 14: 50
                We have an absolutely standard bourgeois-democratic government with all its pros and cons. And our government DOES NOT SUPPORT Nazis and fascists. So draw your conclusions. Sami.
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        2. +7
          11 October 2023 01: 30
          To be honest, I am absolutely neutral on Israel.
          For his dark deeds, such as training militants in Syria, provocation with Il 38, training Ukrainian militants, supplying aid to Ukraine, etc.
        3. 0
          16 October 2023 13: 11
          Israeli policy does not imply the existence of a state of Palestine at all. It was the Israelis who drove the Palestinians, in fact, into reservations, and not the other way around, namely, Israel occupied and is occupying Arab territories. As for nuclear weapons, after using them Israel will receive radioactive fallout and accompanying horrors....
      3. +2
        10 October 2023 17: 19
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        And the only option to stop the violence... is recognition of the Palestinian state, compromise and the existence of two peoples on one territory, there are no other acceptable options.

        This was not easy and hardly achievable before, but now, after everything that has already happened, it is impossible in principle.
        1. +1
          11 October 2023 09: 38
          Quote: Adrey
          after everything that has already happened
          This is just the beginning.
      4. 0
        11 October 2023 18: 46
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        there is a completely different attitude towards the civilian population of Palestine,

        Hamas announced that it has trained 40 or 60 thousand fighters, so taking into account the same number in Gaza’s military industry, only the elderly and children under 10 years old can definitely be considered peaceful in Gaza.
      5. +1
        12 October 2023 13: 35
        And the only option to stop the violence... is recognition of the Palestinian state, compromise and the existence of two peoples on one territory, there are no other acceptable options.

        Here I completely agree with you. But I was very bothered by the statement of Israeli high-ranking officials that the gas sector should be completely destroyed. And when V. Soloviev asked his friend Yakov Kedmi live on the air that the blockade was contrary to waging war. He answered LIVE. Well, if they don’t have water, let them drink urine.!!!
        Don’t you think that Israel’s methods are similar to those of Nazi Germany, and the slogans are painfully similar. Or is it something else?
    5. +6
      10 October 2023 12: 42
      It will not push you away. If the “civilian” population chooses, supports and runs to join the army of your enemy, then this is no longer the civilian population, but an enemy reserve that must be destroyed. How the Zionists killed the Arabs, their women and children, now they are getting an answer for their actions. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth and no left or right cheeks with pacifist clicks and whining. Remember Afghanistan, when during battles in villages 10-12 year olds and “children with RPGs hit our soldiers. And there is no need to pour crocodiles tears about a child's tear. It will definitely cost an underhand shot. And what about "humanitarian aid" to Ukraine from Israel? Also to be missed, like the murder of an ambassador, the downing of a plane, etc. And the agreement between the Israeli Zionists and our Zionists on not killing Zelinsky? And exporting fascists - Azovites to Turkey for "vacation"? We all remember this. There is no need to make toothless sheep out of us. J.V. Stalin was right when he began to persecute the Zionists, despite helping in the creation of Israel. Still, not a single bastard appreciated.
      1. +5
        10 October 2023 15: 46
        Quote: Taimen
        Also skip, like the assassination of an ambassador, the downing of a plane, etc.
        so the ambassador was killed and the plane was shot down by the Turks, and they hid the Azov people - what does Israel have to do with it?
        1. 0
          11 October 2023 00: 42
          The plane was shot down by the Syrians because the Jews used it as cover during the attack on Syria.
          1. +3
            11 October 2023 15: 17
            the very first plane - Peshkova, shot down a Turkish F-16
          2. -1
            11 October 2023 18: 50
            Quote: Dima68
            The plane was shot down by the Syrians because the Jews used it as cover during the attack on Syria.

            But the Syrians don’t care about vodka or a machine gun... wink
    6. -1
      10 October 2023 20: 07
      I will still understand the cruelty of armies and even carpet bombs...
      but cutting off the heads of forty small children is some kind of trash that doesn’t justify any goals of civilized people... Chikatilo will be jealous... what’s in their heads?
      1. -3
        10 October 2023 22: 33
        Quote from Sadam2
        I will still understand the cruelty of armies and even carpet bombs.

        Who would doubt it, you will understand genocide.
      2. -2
        11 October 2023 20: 11
        everything is the same as that of the Chechen militants in the late 90s. the same thing as the ho-h-lohs who shot through the knees of our captured soldiers. I think there will be footage of Jewish fighters cutting the throats of Hamas fighters from ear to ear. It is extremely difficult not to become brutal in war.
      3. +1
        12 October 2023 13: 37
        It was a fake started by a journalist
    7. +5
      10 October 2023 21: 30
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Cruelty towards civilians will alienate many who once sympathized with Palestine.

      But it didn’t push me away from Ukraine, although the Ukrainians had long surpassed their Nazi teachers in terms of cruelty.
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    9. 0
      11 October 2023 18: 06
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Cruelty towards civilians will alienate many who once sympathized with Palestine.

      But an equally brutal response from Israel could lead to the unification of Arab countries against one enemy. And this may be the goal of this Hamas raid (or rather, those who worked under Hamas and promptly stepped aside from the Jewish response) To defeat the regular army, supported by the power of the US air force and navy - I think this never occurred to the Palestinian militias . All this Hamas massacre with cutting off heads looks more like a provocation so that Israeli politicians, losing their heads with rage, begin to recklessly and bloodily destroy everything left and right. What is not a reason for the Arabs to gather together and not strangle this “stinking bug”? Let me note that the Arab League countries alone have a population of almost 400 million, as well as Iran and its sympathizers. And all this against 10 million Jews... The USA will certainly not give up its people.
      1. +1
        11 October 2023 19: 01
        Quote: Hagen
        What is not a reason for the Arabs to gather together and not strangle this “stinking bug”?

        Or maybe the Arabs are already tired of these eternal fighters who have been fed for 70 years? It’s not for nothing that all this happened on the eve of the signing of agreements between Israel and Saudi Arabia.
  2. +8
    10 October 2023 05: 16
    This will continue, two peoples have been living in mutual hatred for decades, and this hatred is maintained.
    1. +2
      10 October 2023 06: 11
      The Muslim brothers paid and are paying for this support, and a small fraction of what they paid for supporting terror would be enough to accommodate every single Palestinian in Arab countries (well, with the exception of the oil monarchies), so much so that the locals would be jealous.
  3. -9
    10 October 2023 06: 06
    As Golda Meir said long ago, “We don’t have a bomb, but if necessary we will use one.”
    Since then, what is not there has not become less. Roman, you still seemed to me like a smart person. Do you really believe that the state, which has something that officially does not exist, will calmly leave and turn off the lights behind itself?
    Means of delivery of what is not available are also available. A complete triad, and all its components have a radius of action sufficient to reach Iran, and the number of them is such that, of course, it is not enough to glaze the whole of Iran, but it is enough for the main cities with their holy mosques and the ayatollahs belonging to them. And it will be enough so that other Islamist states, when they see what has happened to Iran, do not rock the boat.
    But to genocide the Palestinians, yes. With their latest actions, they showed that they do not have the right to be called people, but non-humans can still be killed by any means until the desired result is achieved. Women and children? Gaza has a border with “brotherly” Arab Egypt, and if the “brothers” do not open it for women and children, this is anyone’s problem, but not Israel’s.
    Unfortunately, recent events have made genocide inevitable. But Israel still has a choice on which side of the genocide to be on. But they need to make this choice quickly, otherwise they will choose for them.
    1. +18
      10 October 2023 06: 20
      But to genocide the Palestinians, yes.
      Those. Every nation has the right to genocide another nation if it believes that that nation is not right? Please announce the entire list of peoples who, in your opinion, are subject to genocide? Who has the right to live and who does not? You naturally belong to the right American people. (It’s a pity that the flags were removed)
      1. -1
        10 October 2023 07: 15
        Quote: parusnik
        Please announce the entire list of peoples who, in your opinion, are subject to genocide? Who has the right to live and who does not?

        It was only when I came to America that I realized that I was a racist. I somehow didn’t understand it before, but instinctively my sympathies in all conflicts where conventionally white people conflicted with conventionally Papuans were on the side of the whites. They remained there.
        Arab-Israeli conflict, Anglo-Argentine, Soviet-Afghan, American-Iraqi (both 1990 and later), American-Afghan.
        Conflicts between police and BLM.
        Russian-Rogulsky, by the way, too. The Roguls, although they look white, are essentially not far removed from the Papuans, and the Russians, even if they look like perfect Buryats, are white for me in this conflict.
        Quote: parusnik
        You naturally belong to the right American people. (It’s a pity that the flags were removed)
        I also wish. And by the way, even though back then it was possible to cover myself with the Soviet flag, as someone born in the USSR, I only used it once a year, on May 9th. At least virtually, I hung out the Victory Banner. I would be glad if the flags were restored.
      2. +13
        10 October 2023 11: 45
        Quote: parusnik
        Those. Every nation has the right to genocide another nation if it believes that that nation is not right?

        The point is not who is “right” and who is “wrong”. Who is better and who is worse. The choice is either/or. People "A" hate people "B". And people “B”, accordingly, hate people “A”. And everyone has their own truth, their own historical justifications, their own justifications for actions.
        This is the situation that has developed in the Middle East. It’s like a Gordian knot, which sometimes they try to unravel, and sometimes they start cutting it with “iron swords.”
        As for sympathy towards the parties in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, I will cite a verse from the Koran, which I quite often see in Muslim publics:
        Al-Ma'ida (Meal), 51st ayah out of 120
        "O you who have believed! Do not take Jews and Christians (for yourselves) as supporters (and friends), (since) some of them are supporters (and friends) of others [Jews take Jews as supporters, and Christians take Christians as supporters, and they are together in his enmity against the believers] And if one of you (o believers) takes them as friends, he himself (will be considered) from among them. Verily, Allah does not guide (to goodness) those who do evil [those who take supporters of unbelievers]!"
        So, after these “friendly” instructions, how can one show sympathy for the Palestinians? Such attitudes are drilled into them from a young age. True, some participants in the rave party thought differently... And where are they now?
        However, the reaction to such messages does not automatically imply ardent love for the Jews.
    2. -5
      10 October 2023 07: 58
      But to genocide the Palestinians, yes.
      I have a counter-proposal for you: To genocide both of them, by the forces of the UN, so that there is no one else to genocide. And then to genocide those whose hands genocide the Palestinians and Israelis. Etc. laughing So that the fairest people remain. laughing
      1. +3
        11 October 2023 19: 09
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        So that the fairest people remain.

        Aloizych, is that you?!?! Long time no see!
    3. -4
      10 October 2023 09: 30
      Quote: Nagan
      As Golda Meir said long ago, “We don’t have a bomb, but if necessary we will use one.”
      Since then, what is not there has not become less. Roman, you still seemed to me like a smart person. Do you really believe that the state, which has something that officially does not exist, will calmly leave and turn off the lights behind itself?
      Means of delivery of what is not available are also available. A complete triad, and all its components have a radius of action sufficient to reach Iran, and the number of them is such that, of course, it is not enough to glaze the whole of Iran, but it is enough for the main cities with their holy mosques and the ayatollahs belonging to them. And it will be enough so that other Islamist states, when they see what has happened to Iran, do not rock the boat.
      But to genocide the Palestinians, yes. With their latest actions, they showed that they do not have the right to be called people, but non-humans can still be killed by any means until the desired result is achieved. Women and children? Gaza has a border with “brotherly” Arab Egypt, and if the “brothers” do not open it for women and children, this is anyone’s problem, but not Israel’s.
      Unfortunately, recent events have made genocide inevitable. But Israel still has a choice on which side of the genocide to be on. But they need to make this choice quickly, otherwise they will choose for them.

      Why are you talking about something that doesn’t exist? Suddenly it may turn out that Iran has it too. There is no talk at all about the fact that Israel will leave and turn off the lights, the United States is behind it and is quite capable of bending anyone by conventional means. What if then suddenly the wind blows towards Israel or Saudi Arabia?
    4. +9
      10 October 2023 13: 27
      But to genocide the Palestinians, yes. With their latest actions, they showed that they do not have the right to be called people, but non-humans can still be killed by any means until the desired result is achieved.
      I will give you a device for measuring skulls.......
      1. +3
        10 October 2023 17: 33
        It's called a "craniometer".
        And attach a volume of Gunther to it.
    5. 0
      11 October 2023 20: 16
      But there is 100% confidence that Iran will not use something that it officially does not have?
  4. +8
    10 October 2023 06: 15
    I think everything will end to everyone's satisfaction:
    1) The Tsakhal will break away completely, sweeping away all life in Gaza, and for one on the right bank of the Jordan, finally solving the problem of the territorial integrity of Israel.
    2) The martyrs will go to heaven in the arms of the Gurias, and the survivors will move to Europe, and maybe to Moscow, to teach the local majority tolerance.
    3) The opposition, upon completion of the operation to form a mono-ethnic state, Israel will remove the ruling kahal Netanyahu for failing to ensure the security of the state and its inhabitants, and maybe put on trial for the genocide of the Palestinian people (but this will be after the final solution to the problem of Palestine).
    4) The Americans will pose as peacekeepers, whose orders must be carried out by everyone unquestioningly, otherwise it will be like in Palestine.
    5) Our Government, through the mouth of the Foreign Ministry, will express concern and speed up the peace process in Ukraine.
    6) And Iran will pay for the banquet, which the USA and Israel will simply destroy by any means necessary, and no one will dare to interfere.
    1. -5
      10 October 2023 07: 02
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      I think everything will end to everyone's satisfaction:

      Amen.
    2. -5
      10 October 2023 07: 29
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      The IDF will break away completely, sweeping away all life in Gaza, and for one on the right bank of the Jordan, finally solving the problem of the territorial integrity of Israel.
      Amen.
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      survivors will move to Europe
      There, the places of refugees have already been occupied by who knows who. Refugee quotas are not rubber. So here the Arab brothers and other Muslims will most likely have to strain and make room, because this is their problem. For example, an option: the rich Arab oil monarchies pay for these refugees, who have not surrendered to anyone, to be housed in poor Arab countries. Particularly in Libya, Iraq, and Sudan, since the governments there are weak and have little control over the borders. In Syria and Lebanon, although they meet the above criteria, they will not be accommodated, because there is a border with Israel, and if refugees rush through it “home,” it will provoke a new armed conflict.
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      Our Government, through the mouth of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, will express concern and speed up the peace process in Ukraine.
      The only option for establishing peace is Russian tanks on the Polish border. If this is what you meant - Amen.
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      And Iran will pay for the banquet, which the USA and Israel will simply destroy by any means necessary
      Amen.
    3. 0
      10 October 2023 08: 26
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      I think everything will end to everyone's satisfaction:


      There is another option... in which, at the start of the IDF ground military operation in Gaza, third forces/countries will intervene, and a mess will begin. What will happen if the Arab states act as one front against the Palestinian genocide? Iran will begin military operations against Israel, the proxies will start a full-scale war and they will all receive support among the Muslim world...

      And then the question will arise about the existence of Israel as a whole, because... it can simply be erased from the map during the database (and no iron dome will help), then Israel will have to rely only on the United States that they will send troops and save Israel. (this option may also exist).

      Let's see the reaction of the Arab world after the start of the ground operation in Gaza. There it will already be clear how everything will end.
      1. -3
        10 October 2023 08: 31
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        Israel will have to rely only on the United States, that they will send troops and save Israel.
        The AUG led by USS Gerald Ford is already on its way.
        And then there are those bombs (and missiles) that Israel officially does not have.
        1. -2
          10 October 2023 17: 35
          "Foreign countries will help us!" ©
          Do you think they are not welcome there?
          We will see.
      2. +10
        10 October 2023 11: 04
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        What will happen if the Arab states act as one front against the Palestinian genocide?
        Which? Egypt and Jordan will definitely not perform, but who else? weakened Syria?
      3. -4
        11 October 2023 00: 09
        What will happen if the Arab states act as one front against the Palestinian genocide? Iran will begin military operations against Israel, the proxies will start a full-scale war and they will all receive support among the Muslim world...

        Even if someone intervenes and the conflict acquires wider proportions, Israel will remain and in the end (I don’t know when) will be the winner. I say this not because I love the Jews and believe in their victory, but because I am an Orthodox Christian and I believe what is written in the Gospel, in the Revelation of John the Theologian and the prophecies of Christian elders. And there it is written that the Jews will rebuild the temple of Solomon and the Antichrist will sit in it, i.e. Israel will exist until the end of the age. And about the timing it is written there: no one knows when this will be, not even Jesus Christ knows.
        1. +2
          11 October 2023 00: 48
          Jews and Israel are not the same thing. To restore the Temple, the existence of modern Israel is not necessary, literally at all.
          1. 0
            11 October 2023 11: 10
            Quote: Dima68
            Jews and Israel are not the same thing. To restore the Temple, the existence of modern Israel is not necessary, literally at all.

            Maybe. But then the winner in the Arab-Israeli confrontation will be someone else. Because the Arabs will never allow the restoration of the temple.
  5. -5
    10 October 2023 07: 54
    Israel is just the beginning
    The beginning, the end? More interesting are the problems on the ISS, the only place where there are no international conflicts, religious, social, or racial hostility.
    1. +2
      10 October 2023 08: 53
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      More interested in problems on the ISS, the only place where there are no international conflicts, religious, social, or racial hostility.

      Who drilled the hole? The incident was hushed up......
      1. 0
        10 October 2023 09: 05
        Who drilled the hole? The incident was hushed up......
        This is a matter of everyday life laughing And there, they cut each other, don’t allow them to pray, somehow infringe on rights? Unemployment? Military coups? Genocide? laughing
  6. +4
    10 October 2023 08: 04
    In fact, Hamas is a Sunni group that is in no way connected with Iran. He protects the Lebanese Hezbollah from the Shiites. Hamas is openly supported by Türkiye and the Gulf monarchies. In general, it would be worth looking for a British trace. We somehow traditionally gloss over this, but relations between Israel and Britain since 1948 have been, to put it mildly, hostile, and even openly hostile (in complete contrast to Israel’s relations with the United States). Let's start with the fact that the British categorically objected to the creation of Israel there - they themselves needed this key region to control the entire Middle East. They allocated land to the Jews in one of their African colonies; the response was the guerrilla actions of Jewish colonists against British troops in Palestine in the 1930s and 40s, with all the charms of what the Palestinians are now demonstrating against Israel itself.
    When, after WWII, the USA and the USSR pinned Britain to the wall in terms of creating Israel in Palestine, the Englishwoman did shit in her characteristic manner - by drawing extremely bizarre borders of the “Jewish” and “Arab” states, laying a mine for the subsequent conflict. As they did in India and Pakistan, Iraq and Kuwait.
    Israel did not remain at a loss, for example, during the Falklands War of 1982, Israel supplied Argentina with intelligence data that made it possible to sink quite a few ships of Her Majesty Lizaveta. After which some bad terrorists blew up the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires....
    1. +1
      10 October 2023 08: 18
      In general, it would be worth looking for a British trace.
      Moreover, the UK recognizes only the military wing of Hamas as terrorist. And not the organization itself, like most EU countries and the USA.
  7. +1
    10 October 2023 08: 26
    And in general, Iran is behind the Palestinians.
    Is this why the article was written? Is there any proof by the author?
    If you look closely at Hamas’s actions towards Israel, the emphasis on behavior strongly resembles the training of militants no longer by our Western partners.
    1. 0
      10 October 2023 09: 00
      This is true. The author claims something he cannot prove. Only based on Iran's motives.

      Or maybe the United States and other instigators of a new world war also have motives?
      I don’t really believe that the CIA didn’t know anything. And they slept through the preparation of a huge military operation. Moreover, they calmed the suspicions of Israeli intelligence.

      In Israel they really might not know.

      Because the attack on Israel is too much greater in scale than the “cause of war” that Israel supposedly needs to destroy Hamas
  8. +12
    10 October 2023 09: 14
    "poor oppressed Palestinians"

    You know, I treat both sides equally badly. But - I must note, the barmaley, of course, is still a beast, however - in those parts everyone is like that. But imagine the attitude of a person whose first childhood memory is an Israeli tank on his street near his house, and at this tank - he and the same boys throw stones. And the first thing you remember when you were a teenager was a neighboring house blown up by an Israeli bomb, where your classmate lived. And the first thing for adults is the understanding that you live in a ghetto, you are a second-class citizen, and your chances of changing this are scanty. Just because you are Arab...

    Israel made a fatal mistake 50 years ago. If he couldn’t or didn’t want to integrate the Palestinians into his society, then he had to completely evict them from his territory.. Yes, like the world community would have screamed, but then calmed down. And to maintain millions of people in the position of not quite human beings is outrageous stupidity. Because it’s clear that sooner or later they will want to get even... You will have no peace.
    1. +1
      10 October 2023 10: 09
      If he was unable or unwilling to integrate the Palestinians into his society
      Yes, there was no need to integrate. Gave the UN land for the Palestinians? Gave it. Well, let them create a state there, half of them would go to Israel, for a good life. In an instant, they would find Jewish roots in themselves. And this last one challenge? Jerusalem was declared the capital of Israel? And why.. If there had been no support from the United States, Israel, it would have been gone a long time ago. We would have been in the role of Palestinians.
      1. +4
        10 October 2023 10: 26
        Alas, the problem is that the Palestinians, in principle, do not recognize Israel... Considering its entire territory to be theirs. Although, this is not fair at all, in my opinion. Whatever one may say, this is the ancient land of the Jewish people, and it has no other land of its own. The Arabs have plenty of it.

        It’s the same with shrines - is it normal to build your own on top of someone else’s and then yell that we won’t give it up? The Temple Mount is the site of the first Jewish temple, the holiest for them. For Muslims, would they like it if, say, instead of the Kaaba mosque in Mecca, they built, for example, a Shiva temple? So the Jews don’t like a damn thing...

        So they won't agree. Never. Muslims do not want to give up a single shred of what they once grabbed from others. And the Jews will definitely not agree to leave their ancestral home to them.
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        2. +3
          10 October 2023 12: 04
          Alas, the problem is that the Palestinians, in principle, do not recognize Israel...
          So, de facto, the state of Palestine has not been created to this day and does not have real sovereignty. But in reality it is part of Israel, having scanty rights. Probably Palestine, I mean all of Palestine, including Israel, should be returned to Erdogan laughing , because during the period of the Ottoman Empire, when Palestine, along with Arabs and Jews, was part of it, there were no conflicts between them, moreover, in populated areas there was no division into regions, here the Arabs live, here the Jews, they lived mixed together, not particularly They were friends, but they didn’t kill each other. Moreover, together they hated the Turks, and then the British, when Palestine became a British mandate.
          1. Erdogan has enough Kurds. And no one needs the Palestinians. Except as cannon fodder against Israel. This is the only value of the PA and its people. If the Palestinians were normal and Egypt would have annexed them... the Palestinians almost destroyed Jordan, they were driven from there and from Egypt,
            And they destroyed Lebanon.
        3. +2
          10 October 2023 12: 12
          Muslims do not want to give up a single shred of what they once grabbed from others.
          The trouble here is... Actually, the Palestinians became hostages of the Arab League policy, which in 1947, supposedly for the good purposes of creating a Palestinian state, started a war against Israel. And as a result of this war, the Arab states divided the land of Palestine, and part went to Israel.
        4. +2
          11 October 2023 00: 25
          Whatever one may say, this is the ancient land of the Jewish people, and it has no other land of its own.

          Well, not exactly. The Jews also took over this land at one time, and by military means, from the local tribes, after Moses led them out of Egyptian captivity and led them through the desert for 40 years. Their homeland is a little different.
          1. +2
            11 October 2023 09: 26
            Well, if we go deep into history, it seems like we all have a homeland in Ethiopia...
        5. -1
          11 October 2023 11: 45
          This means “only one will remain,” and Israel did not start the conflict.
    2. Israel wanted to transfer Gaza to Egypt under the agreement during the transfer of Sinai: but Egypt did not need these Palestinians.
      Palestinians are actually hated in the Middle East.
    3. -2
      10 October 2023 14: 53
      Quote: paul3390
      And the first thing you remember when you were a teenager was a neighboring house blown up by an Israeli bomb, where your classmate lived.

      What if this memory is a torn bus near the Diamond Exchange in Ramat Gan, the bodies of those who a minute ago were people and pools of blood that were not washed off the asphalt for several weeks? Or is it something else? Maybe you don't feel sorry for the Jews?
      1. +10
        10 October 2023 18: 43
        Well, Israel didn’t feel sorry for the Russians who died in Donbass? Why should we then feel sorry for the Jews now?
      2. +4
        10 October 2023 23: 30
        Quote: Grigory Remarque
        Maybe you don't feel sorry for the Jews?

        Do they feel sorry for us? In Donetsk there are daily pools of blood from people killed by the Nazis, but Israel supplies these Nazis with weapons and also trains these Nazis.
      3. 0
        11 October 2023 10: 34
        Tell me, who loves you in this world, apart from your master?
  9. +7
    10 October 2023 09: 16
    The only mistake is the mass execution of civilians
    This is not a mistake, but a completely conscious act. Which - Israel was simply left with no choice but to start tearing Gaza to rubble. With all that follows from this...
  10. +2
    10 October 2023 11: 47
    IMHO, you can think about how you missed it for a long time.
    More specifically, how long will it take to deal with terrorists...
    Also about “Iran is standing behind you” - it’s far-fetched. Everyone is standing behind them. You can simply turn away when the Palestinians carry, for example, explosives across the border...
    If you have the desire, you can easily hire instructors and mercenaries from almost anywhere. And the confrontation has been there for a long time - the Arabs should already have a lot of experience in launching missiles and operating.
  11. Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    And the footage of the executions of Israeli soldiers painfully reminds me of the footage of the executions of Iraqi and Syrian soldiers by ISIS at their bases... almost one to one.

    Is it irony or something else, but the leaders of the ISIS were evacuated from Syria to Israel, and until recently, the ISIS in Syria was supervised by Israel.
    But: they didn’t sell or donate the “Iron Dome” to Ukraine – and that’s the point.
    It is clear that delivering anti-drone systems and 300 thousand 155 mm shells to a country without Nazism, because the president there is a Jew, is nonsense.

    You have problems with the truth: 300 thousand 155 mm shells did not belong to Israel, and you know this for sure.
    Apparently, you are not aware of the supply of weapons to Israel's enemies from Russia?
    Apparently, you are not aware of direct military assistance to Israel’s enemies from Russia....
    "Shut up, godfather: you, like me, are sinful,
    And you will break every word;
    In someone else's... you see a straw,
    And you don't see the logs in your home. "
    Alexander Pushkin. From the all-night vigil on my way home
    1. +2
      10 October 2023 13: 37
      Apparently, you are not aware of direct military assistance to Israel’s enemies from Russia....
      Announce the weight list please.....
  12. Quote: Aleksandr21
    Quote: Dutchman Michel
    Cruelty towards civilians will alienate many who once sympathized with Palestine.


    What about harshness towards Gaza on the part of Israel? After all, if there is no pity/sympathy for the Hamas militants (they deserve revenge...liquidation), then there is a completely different attitude towards the civilian population of Palestine, and Israel is simply razing Gaza off the face of the earth, multi-storey buildings collapse like cardboard boxes from the impacts...victims there will be a lot. What did these people do to deserve this??? This is a real genocide, to which the West turns a blind eye because of the Israeli lobby in the world.

    And the Arabs see it all.... recently I went to one of the state. media sites (I don’t remember which country), so on the main page there is a girl of 9-10 years old with a photo in her hands, and in the photo her classmate who died after air strikes on Gaza, along with her brother and parents... and how many such families ? But how many people will lose loved ones after such carpet bombings, and we will take revenge over generations (which is what is happening now), the spiral of violence will only unwind....

    And the only option to stop the violence... is recognition of the Palestinian state, compromise and the existence of two peoples on one territory, there are no other acceptable options.

    Yes Russia. in your opinion, she should have turned her cheeks when hit... she did repeatedly, and now tit for tat...
    Recognize the Palestinian state, which will declare war on you tomorrow? And what will this change? Hamas's only value is its confrontation with Israel. Hamas is hated by all Islamic countries.
    1. +1
      10 October 2023 13: 40
      Hamas is hated by all Islamic countries.
      I Van will name only a few countries whose intelligence services supervise the group—Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia,......Great Britain.
  13. Quote: Aleksandr21
    Quote: Dante
    Funny people. Who is interested in civilians and when? That’s how we ironed Grozny, too, without really looking around to see if there was a peaceful population there or not. What about Mariupol and Bakhmut?


    Quote: Dante
    Those. Did the Russian Federation also need to recognize Ichkeria and the Dudayev regime? However...


    The situations are definitely different, because... Russia carried out counter-terrorism operations in the Caucasus, and the goal was not the genocide of the Chechen people, to destroy the nation right at the root, but they flew at civilians during the combat mission, but no one specifically hit them....

    And Israel is carrying out precisely the genocide of Gaza, and is carrying out revenge.... because. The special services/army did not show their best side, many Jews died, and now they are equalizing everything indiscriminately. + the goal is the complete elimination of Palestine as such, and preferably together with the population. We never set the goal of eliminating the Chechen people and this is our difference..... and this is without taking into account many factors that exist in the confrontation between Israel and Palestine.
    Besides, where is the line between the destruction of terrorists and the genocide of a nation? This is a fine line... and Israel crosses it, and deliberately. And if you argue as you do in your comment, then anything can be justified, any genocide can be subsumed under the destruction of terrorists and the right of a nation to survive can be denied... so I repeat once again, the situations are different and each one needs to be solved differently, one by one there is no recipe.

    Your complete nonsense: humane and inhumane bombs, shells, missiles. drones. You have a completely double approach: at the level of WHO, SVO - this is not war! Well, yes from the Ukrainians. there was an ATO.... Various estimates, 30 thousand - 160 thousand died in Chechnya, and, under some sauce you invented, WHO. What's the difference in results? You have already come up with some edges in the war. Who will determine these boundaries: you personally, the ICC, the UN, the winners, the defeated, the indifferent. interested......
  14. Quote: parusnik
    This will continue, two peoples have been living in mutual hatred for decades, and this hatred is maintained.

    It looks like something. Right next door.
  15. Quote: kor1vet1974
    But to genocide the Palestinians, yes.
    I have a counter-proposal for you: To genocide both of them, by the forces of the UN, so that there is no one else to genocide. And then to genocide those whose hands genocide the Palestinians and Israelis. Etc. laughing So that the fairest people remain. laughing

    Does this also apply to SVO?
  16. +7
    10 October 2023 12: 58
    If Iran is behind this case, then the destruction of Gaza is in question. Because in the event that the huge losses of the Palestinians are not justified by anything, the Iranians will lose at least thousands of agents and specialists they trained. Who will be very happy to take revenge for the setup of those who used and abandoned them.
    That is, if we accept the hypothesis of Iranian intervention in this form, equally effective strikes against other targets should now follow. First of all - at Air Force bases and airfields. You don't need to be a genius to make such a decision. Moreover, analysts somehow miss the strangest thing about the attack on the Israeli border.
    The border is literally crammed with ultra-modern detection means. And these funds have become “blind”. That’s why the Israeli army was kept in warm beds. Of course, one can meaningfully state that “the problem was solved by Iranian specialists.” Except I'm also an expert. And about “solving the problem” using hardware and software... this is not a movie. To blind all systems (different years of release, poor integration, belonging to different departments) at the same time is a fairy tale. Unless... however, this is no longer for publication.
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  18. +2
    10 October 2023 16: 14
    If Iran is behind this case, then the destruction of Gaza is in question.

    I read somewhere that Hamas, like the Islamic State, was created by the United States and Israel to fight “communism” and specifically in Palestine against the OPP. Israel recently used it against Assad in Syria.
    1. 0
      11 October 2023 08: 45
      And what? What does this have to do with the “Iranian” hypothesis, which I tried to analyze. Do you have a different one? Well, describe her...
  19. +1
    10 October 2023 16: 17
    Quote: Dante
    What do you want?

    Only mononational, monolingual and monoreligious agglomerates of populations are ideally stable in their existence in the absence of external aggressive influences on the monopopulation, as well as the absence of aggressive encroachments beyond its boundaries. It is unlikely that anyone in our world will be able to shrink into a shell, even on a desert island. The country's rulers will have to somehow get along both with their neighbors and with the residents of their own country.
  20. +6
    10 October 2023 16: 17
    The message of this article is not very clear. In addition, the author contradicts himself in two adjacent sentences. Please:
    MOSSAD is not to blame

    Perhaps MOSSAD was simply confused by good disinformation

    If MOSSAD was confused, then it is his fault. This is precisely the organization that should not allow itself to be confused and provide management with information that has been double-checked a thousand times. If MOSSAD is “confused”, then it is called - FUCKED (with such a characteristic smell). And it doesn’t matter who pulled the strings from MOSSAD, amateurs or tough professionals. Was MOSAAD going to confront only amateurs?
    IDF... It’s surprising, of course, but if the aforementioned Iranian special forces acted, the questions really go away.
    Why on earth are “the questions removed”? They just appear, and very unpleasant ones at that. If the IDF was going to fight only with amateurs, then there is a very big question for its leadership. In competence. The fact is that they had no idea that there were special forces in the world. If they even guessed about this, then why did they, the country at war, just in case, have had this for many years now:
    ...peacetime guards.

    And this is also called FUCKED up, and nothing else. In the same chain there are questions about tanks, and about sending weapons to another warring country, etc.
    But something like this... happens to everyone. In the end, a sudden attack without a declaration of war... Well, we are aware of it.
    What's important here is what comes next. Let's accept the author's version:
    Israel plans to respond as harshly as possible and without “red lines” or demonstrations of readiness to negotiate. As usual, however. So those living in Gaza will most likely have to come to terms with the fact that the Strip will be wiped off the face of the earth.

    Those. to fight not the cause (as the author suggests: the Iranian special services and the militants trained by them), but simply the transformation of a huge number of civilians into a bloody mess. Which, of course, is not that completely out of business (it is clear that their husbands are slaughtering Jews on camera), but, nevertheless, the RPG itself does not hold in its hands and does not intend to. In this situation, I’m not sure of a positive result for Israel. Even if it calms down in the coming days. But I seriously doubt that everything will be forgotten and swept under the rug. The wrong people are Arabs, oh, the wrong ones.
    1. +1
      11 October 2023 08: 53
      Quote: Martyn
      If MOSSAD was confused, then it is his fault.

      You are absolutely right. Things get even more interesting here. Israel has more than one intelligence agency. This simply does not happen for a state that simply wants to survive. And it doesn’t happen a hundred times for a power that is constantly at war here and there. At the same time, competition is constantly maintained between the special services, and most of their tasks (certainly those related to the invasion of neighbors) are duplicated. Receiving information about something important from only one source is suicide.
      It wasn't just MOSSAD who screwed up. It turns out that absolutely everyone screwed up. Even if just one of the overt and covert intelligence agencies signals a possible invasion, troops on the border are put on high alert. And here there is blissful silence and serenity. For many decades, Israeli intelligence intercepted all significant events... and suddenly went rotten AT THE SAME TIME.
      This story smells like a crude setup.
      1. -1
        11 October 2023 14: 05
        Quote: Mikhail3
        This story smells like a crude setup a mile away.
        Like, the final solution to the Palestinian issue.
  21. Eug
    +3
    10 October 2023 16: 29
    As for me, “in the first line” behind the attack were people who were very familiar with the system of protecting Israeli territories proper (or rather, those that are considered such), specially infiltrated or betrayed - most likely both, but who is behind them is the question. And I would not focus on Iran, but would look more closely at those for whom the financial stream (river) will practically dry up in the event of a real reconciliation between the Arabs and Israel - there are many of them in the Promised Land... my opinion is a provocation, and by agreement some circles on both sides.
    1. 0
      11 October 2023 09: 47
      And the first candidate for the drying up of huge cash flows is Israel. And one more moment. Maybe the special services did their job. Like we have in 41. But the decision-making center did not want to react.
  22. -3
    10 October 2023 17: 12
    Oh, a lover of Jews, so good, I scribbled an article. And when houses are stacked with civilians, it seems normal. Let's talk about Iranian super specialists here. But no, these are just trained Palestinians! And it was zilch, and schmosad too. I can’t imagine what the Ukrainians would do with this army and schmosad. I think Israel would have fallen in a couple of hours.
  23. +5
    10 October 2023 17: 21
    Everything that is happening looks like an operation carefully designed by Israel. The seizure of military targets was carried out too easily. And the festival was organized in the right place at the right time. Israel needs a lot of the blood of its citizens to justify the liquidation of the Gaza Strip and the occupation of this territory, a huge number of victims. There are no other reasonable explanations for what is happening.
  24. 0
    10 October 2023 17: 52
    Przez wiele lat izraelscy żołnierze strzelali do palestyńczyków jak do kaczek przy aplauzie cywili. Nie można o tych faktach zapomnieć. Irańczycy pokazali, że mogą zmieść izrael z powierzchni Palestyny.
  25. 0
    10 October 2023 18: 22
    What I always don’t understand is why Iran should butt heads with Israel - both will lose. I liked the article itself, for the first time it was indicated that the Russian Federation could benefit and the emphasis was placed on the atrocities of Hamas (to my regret, in recent days many were pleased with the attack on Jews, no matter whether civilian or military)
  26. +2
    10 October 2023 20: 02
    And in general, Iran is behind the Palestinians
    Not behind everyone: Iran is behind Hezbollah, which is at odds with Hamas. The Iranians would not fit in with Hamas.
  27. +3
    10 October 2023 20: 12
    If for as many as 75 (!) years of Israel’s existence, the leadership and citizens of the national state, considered smart, wise and practical, have not been able to establish peace with their neighbors, then we must honestly say that we are probably unwise, unintelligent, impractical, and probably only cunning and greedy, therefore, good people, make peace between us and our neighbors, we will do everything as you say.
    And there is little demand from our neighbors, we (the State of Israel) considered and still consider them to be savages and do not regard them as people, so the responsibility for what is happening lies with us, civilized and smart, but we haven’t been able to do a damn thing for 75 years. This failure and fiasco.
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  29. 0
    10 October 2023 20: 33
    Finally, the arrogant Jews got hit in the teeth! Israel is not only a terrorist state, but also a Nazi one. The Jews have bombed everywhere - both Syria and Iraq... They also do dirty tricks on Iran, but they cannot cope with Iran. The outskirts also showed support. But the Arabs still cannot defeat the Jews - the Jews have nuclear weapons.
  30. 0
    10 October 2023 21: 05
    These are not the organisms that run barefoot with AKs and flip-flops in the video frames. Let's not repeat fairy tales that bandits can defeat a regular army. Are these in sweatpants and flip-flops, in colored T-shirts in the video the ones who killed the Israeli soldiers before this? Don't tell me, that's not the case. The Israeli soldiers were not killed by those who then mocked the corpses on camera.
    Yes, yes. Today in the media I noticed that the fighters are very well equipped.
    So that I live the way they are equipped, however. hi
  31. 0
    10 October 2023 21: 08
    The author does a great job of looking around.

    I'll post a version. What if the two seemingly warring sides are ONE(!) at the highest level? A Jesuit Satanist, he doesn’t care who he pretends to be, a convinced communist, an Orthodox Jew or a leader of Islamic jihad...

    And then it’s just technology, in the digital network world: the international of globalist villains also has a NETWORK character: "All residents of the "world village" for digital registration! Heil Zifir-Fuhrer! Mandatory vaccination with Dr. Mengele! Etc."

    Sorry, I drew it quite sadly. But there is a positive! Villains are NOT ABLE to come to an agreement with each other for a long time. Their “alchemical world treasure ideas” ALWAYS turn into “manure of history.”

    I don’t know how it will be in our time, but I believe it will be! Perhaps the year 2037 awaits them with a Strict but Fair world court and punishment...
  32. +3
    10 October 2023 21: 17
    So, I can safely say that in this situation I am an almost impartial observer, drawing certain conclusions. And the fact that not everyone will like these conclusions is expectedly normal.

    That's about the same as me...
    BUT a couple of clarifications.
    Hamas is the Muslim Sunni brothers, that is, Turkey and Qatar (money). At one time they fought against the Union in Afghanistan
    HEZBOLA - yes, Iran, co-religionists, Shiites
    Yes, Iran - like everyone who is against Israel - supports them, but, as is easy to understand, they have no love (religion, Turkey) ...
  33. -4
    10 October 2023 21: 31
    It is alleged that just a few years ago the combat core of Hamas brigades consisted of hundreds of fighters who had undergone military training in Iran and Syria.
  34. +1
    10 October 2023 23: 00
    For some reason I remembered Yugoslavia, how it all began there too, and how later it was ironed out by NATO bombers.
  35. +2
    10 October 2023 23: 13
    Can you even imagine that the Israeli army on the border with Gaza suddenly went on a spree and abandoned duty? Sorry, I don't believe it.
    Yes I can. Moreover, I saw this not only near Gaza, but also in the North. I saw how their artillery works, I saw the work of infantry groups, I also saw footage from the ill-fated unit, I saw their tanks, which are absolutely not ready for a new drone war. I have seen an army of a level worse than the Polish one. In comparison with the Armed Forces of Ukraine it is not even close.
  36. +4
    11 October 2023 01: 00
    And in general, Iran is behind the Palestinians.

    You can finish here and move on to read the telezhenka.
  37. +4
    11 October 2023 01: 01
    Quote from tsvetahaki
    So, I can safely say that in this situation I am an almost impartial observer, drawing certain conclusions. And the fact that not everyone will like these conclusions is expectedly normal.

    That's about the same as me...
    BUT a couple of clarifications.
    Hamas is the Muslim Sunni brothers, that is, Turkey and Qatar (money). At one time they fought against the Union in Afghanistan
    HEZBOLA - yes, Iran, co-religionists, Shiites
    Yes, Iran - like everyone who is against Israel - supports them, but, as is easy to understand, they have no love (religion, Turkey) ...

    The author told you “And in general, Iran is behind the Palestinians.” laughing The culprit has been assigned, don’t make a joke here, you understand...
  38. +4
    11 October 2023 01: 26
    In my opinion, the author is somewhat pulling Iran’s ears into this conflict: “Iranian special forces”, “Iranian planners”, etc. Of course, Iran’s participation cannot be completely ruled out, but there are at least a couple of points that are somehow not entirely convincing . Firstly, for some reason the author is sure that the Palestinians cannot possibly have trained fighters and units at the level of Iranian special forces. Quite a strange confidence. Secondly, in my not entirely professional opinion, for some reason Israeli aviation was not attacked, although it poses the main threat to the Palestinians. In any case, I have never seen any mention of attacks on airfields, and in my understanding this is not a sign of high professionalism. It is possible, of course, that the LCD reliably covered the airfields from missile attacks, but knowing that Israel has such air defense systems, I would personally try to organize something on the ground: for example, some ambushes with MANPADS to hit on takeoff. Otherwise, it’s too risky to start all this action without at least partially knocking out the enemy’s most dangerous weapon.
    In general, the author’s version does not seem very convincing to me.
    And one more thing: the author drew a diagram similar to the outskirts. Iran/USA is trying to achieve its goals with someone else's hands. Palestinians/dill are just meat with no chance of winning. Israel/Russia is defending itself, although by very different means and methods. It’s not entirely clear: is this a justification for Israel or a call for Russia to act in the same way? Personally, I don't like either one.
  39. 0
    11 October 2023 04: 46
    Now is the time for China to resolve its problems with Taiwan!
  40. +1
    11 October 2023 05: 03
    Now is a period as if time has compressed and events follow one after another. The system of checks and balances has stopped working. It seems that an avalanche has moved, into which the surrender of Nagorno-Karabakh was thrown as a stone. Whoever organized it also cherishes further plans. It looks like no one will be able to stock up on chips and sit in the cinema.
  41. +1
    11 October 2023 05: 25
    I didn’t even bother reading to the end! The enemies whine about the cruelty of the Palestinians, but to demolish entire blocks of civilian high-rise buildings, already 78 KILLED only children, and how many women, old people and non-militants? They cut off electricity, water, medicine, food, fuel and lubricants and everything a person needs from the enclave. where more than TWO million people live! This is an Israeli WAR CRIME! So shut your mouth about the suffering of the Israelis!
  42. 0
    11 October 2023 05: 30
    Take this analysis to the clinic for the hell of it. Full/incomplete picture, but one thing is clear: nothing is clear. How are you better than their prime minister - in your Nazi appeals you actually surpassed him and became equal to the schikl-gruber?! The picture is incomplete, the title of the article does not correspond to the content in any way. Unilateral disclosure of factual information and fabrication of unreliable information. Result: reflection of a crooked mirror.
  43. +1
    11 October 2023 07: 53
    I respect analysts.
    But the author forgets that Israeli intelligence is not only Mossad. This is also USW satellite reconnaissance data. But it seems to me that the UWSP specialists started all this to establish their military bases in the Mediterranean. Why does Iran need war? He recently left it. Nonsense, my opinion. War is necessary for those who have not gone through it. But Pearl Harbor is not considered a war.
    Let me remind you for whom peace in the Middle East is a bad dream - UWB, for whom oil tanks are emptying UWB, the gas route to Europe was planned through the Middle East, for whom it is unprofitable for UWB, whose army has been sitting idle - UWB, it is within the framework of the UWB policy that the globalist policy fits population reduction to the golden billion. People would understand this and not fill their heads with various ideas of the last century. We entered during a time of surrealism. All
  44. +1
    11 October 2023 08: 26
    We can simply say that terrorists attacked the Nazis. Both of them do not bother with killing civilians.
  45. 0
    11 October 2023 08: 43
    Again, again the omnipresent Roman. Now I look at the author first, then I start reading. Here I immediately spat.))) This man’s knowledge is simply amazing, so much knowledge and still not in the General Staff of the Russian Federation. Let's talk... You're just amazed. Knows everything. And it’s not even just in the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff of the Russian Federation, he has now reached Israel. And as always, I didn’t sleep all night, wondering what to tie to what. More to be continued. Another sleepless night. Now probably in Petagon. I hope the Front will at least not be Russian?))))
  46. 0
    11 October 2023 08: 56
    I don’t understand what this plaintive song is about, Palestine is the executioner and Israel is the angel? Or carpet bombing of Israel and thousands killed is the norm, or maybe Israel did something when they were killing civilians in the Donbass for eight years. The author decided to one-sidedly identify the culprit and cause a bitter tear, I don’t care what’s going on there... honestly
  47. -1
    11 October 2023 09: 01
    “And the number of hostages that Hamas militants took, even taking into account the fact that there are many tourists from Western countries, will not play a role. The calculation, apparently, was precisely that a large number of hostages in the territories of Gaza would in a certain way hinder the actions of the Israeli army "
    In Israel, it is legally established that even if there are hostages, negotiations cannot be conducted with terrorists and their accomplices, and all Arabs know this. This is to ensure that Israel's hands are always untied. Now total destruction will follow in relation to the attackers and I’m not sure that such a state will remain - Palestine, now the Palestinians are like acorns - they’ve peeled and hung...
    1. +1
      11 October 2023 09: 10
      Quote: restless
      “Now total destruction will follow in relation to the attackers and I’m not sure that such a state will remain - Palestine, now the Palestinians are like acorns - they’ve peeled and hung...

      The mentality there is a little different; dying in battle with the infidels is a blessing and a wonderful life in heaven. So take your time, it is still unknown who the acorn is there and who is hanging there.
      1. 0
        11 October 2023 12: 03
        Well, it means “Our job is to organize prompt shipment to them”
  48. 0
    11 October 2023 12: 01
    The article is just emotions, with a slant and based on pro-Western, or rather overseas, propaganda, which is a continuation and is aimed at the same goals, performs the same task as the famous “test tube with white powder”. The realities are somewhat different, and fundamentally so. Iran has a very mediocre attitude towards all this “mess”, and even now it least of all needs it, so it’s closer to virtual, because Hamas is Qatar, and, with the active participation of the EU, Iran is Hezbollah, the difference is fundamentally huge. And now the main “beneficiaries”, of course, this is my personal opinion, first of all, Israel’s main “allies” overseas, the instant appearance of 2 AUGs off the coast and the deployment of the 101st division in Jordan confirms that everything was agreed and prepared in advance. Israel itself, or rather, the ruling so-called elite, who could not suppress the protests and were in danger of losing power. He understands how, without them, the EU, a faithful serf, and for us, by and large, this indirectly lightens the “burden” of the SVO. In this situation, no one cares about people, no one shed tears when for 8 years the Slavs killed the Slavs, ironing cities and villages under the foundation, burning them and shooting their families. The world has become different, the “pictures and ovens” of Auschwitz are no longer terrifying, tbh. in our semi-feudal inherited class society, where the 1%, stupefied by free money, omnipotence and complete irresponsibility, “rules” and carouses like the last time, and the lower class is busy with survival and their work, to the best of their ability, saving the remnants of a once great power.
  49. -2
    11 October 2023 12: 39
    Well, firstly, Israel itself was heading towards what happened. It's been ten years already. He walked straight and did not even intend to turn from this path, either to the right or to the left. And what happened in the ending is nothing more than the path chosen by Israel itself.

    Secondly. The *Jewish question* comes up again. Again we hear that *poor* Jews are oppressed. The United States has already sent several aircraft with weapons to help Zhidostan. Footage of *bullying* of Israeli military personnel and civilians is being broadcast all over the world. And this, according to the West, is bad. According to the West and Europe, such atrocities are committed only by Muslim terrorists and radicals.

    Isn’t it true that in Ukraine the Ukronazis did and are still doing the same thing towards those who are not of their faith? Nazi faith! And the most disgusting thing here is that the same Israel has never condemned even the most brutal known crimes of the Ukronazis. Moreover, the Israeli Government was seriously considering the possibility of supplying weapons to Ukrainian monkeys. By the way, Israel still provided some kind of assistance to Ukraine.

    So today there is no need to mourn either Israel or the Israelis themselves. Moreover, in light of the fact that Zhidostan is not going to negotiate on the release of hostages captured by Hamas. And it’s not just Israeli citizens. So if Jews don’t care about the lives of citizens of other countries, then why should anyone feel sorry for the Jews themselves?!
  50. -1
    11 October 2023 12: 56
    The author, i.e. Mr. Sorokin...an almost impartial observer...in his words. However, this observer in his passage clearly and unequivocally took the side of Israel. He does not write about the "gentlemanly" conduct of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. About the video in which these “knights” urinate on the bodies of the people they killed. I have been to Haifa, Gaza, and Jerusalem, both in the late 80s and in the 2000s. I want to say only one thing: the wind that Israel sown then is now reaping a storm. The shelling of residential buildings with heavy weapons in which antifa supporters allegedly live, or the arrests and shootings of teenagers for throwing stones at soldiers, and airstrikes have fueled a wave of hatred against Jews. Sorokin calls these people animals!
    Probably an outside observer should not throw such words around! Only one conclusion can be drawn from this article - that the author is interested. Cookies for publication given out!
  51. +2
    11 October 2023 13: 19
    Let's stop evaluating everything from the standpoint of abstract justice and global values. These arguments are used only to scam suckers, which are all our presidents.
    Let's evaluate from the position: “How will this affect the Russians?” Evaluate the way Jews evaluate any events.
    And here the answer is simple: the longer the Jews are busy fighting with the Palestinians, the less they will help kill Russians in Ukraine.
    .
    All other words of the author make no sense. We are being killed with the help of the Israelis, only an idiot would stand up for Israel in this situation.
  52. 0
    11 October 2023 13: 54
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    It seems to me that the conductor of all this is the same.


    And the footage of the insane joy of the strap-on Clinton, when she is online, demonstrates the reprisal against M. Gaddafi?

    The author writes:
    “As for these “poor oppressed Palestinians”... I listened to this eternal fairy tale from school,...”,
    This would be true, and we could understand the author and his irony.
    But Israel, for decades, has been blocking the implementation of part of the UN declaration on the creation of two states on this land: Jewish (created) and Palestinian (not created).

    One can understand the author’s “righteous” anger.
    But now this is impossible, due to the lack of Israeli lamentation, when the losses of Jews and Palestinians (in early conflicts) were distributed differently.
    When for every IDF soldier there were 10-15 killed Palestinians (4-5 of whom were children), this suited the Israelis, and they, in righteous anger, rejoiced at this state of affairs.

    Now that the losses have become approximately 1:1, the time has come to cry about a “new Holocaust.”

    The Israelis are not ready for such a situation.
    But what can you do, they themselves have been pushing their country into the anteroom of Hell for decades.
    Say thank you to your greedy leaders who were only busy with their abomination.
    Bibon covered his wife, an alcoholic and a strapon, and covered his pederast son.

    The statistics of casualties among civilians, especially among children, is appalling.
    Previously, there was an opinion that Zionists specifically mow down Palestinian children so that they would not grow up to become fighters against Zionism.

    But everything is much more prosaic.
    It's about the basic principles of nature and man.

    When Israeli Zionism kills dozens of Palestinians for every IDF, they (Palestinians) have hundreds of children.
    Due to their limitations, the Zionists do not understand this, and continue to provoke birth rates among Palestinians, and then these children, having matured, join the ranks of Hamas and Hezbollah.

    The Zionists have only one way out - the biblical one, to destroy all Palestinians.
    The Palestinians have the same scenario.
    Fortunately, neither the first (they can use nuclear weapons but are afraid) nor the second will ever come to such a radical decision.

    It’s bad that Israel will continue to take revenge on the Palestinians in “righteous anger” for a long time, provoking an avalanche-like replenishment of the ranks of Hezbollah and Hamas.
  53. 0
    11 October 2023 23: 53
    Sorry, anti-terrorist defenders!
    For me personally, a pilot throwing a bomb at a high-rise building in a residential city is a worse terrorist than the one who shot a civilian at point-blank range. Because this is a hypocrite sitting in the cockpit of an airplane, out of reach of the enemy's weapons. He will kill more civilians with “clean hands”!
    You wrote a lot below about comparing Chechnya and Palestine. Yes, we fought in Chechnya! But... we didn't take revenge. We did not drive the Chechens out of their land in order to raze the mountains to the ground in order to occupy their lands. You, defenders of bombing peaceful cities, will never understand the difference. Time will judge us.
    God willing, the Israeli government will have enough strength to stop its military. But it is very unlikely: this is not an intelligence miscalculation, this is the final solution to the Gaza issue.
  54. +1
    12 October 2023 07: 27
    Quote: German
    You wrote a lot below about comparing Chechnya and Palestine. Yes, we fought in Chechnya! But... we didn't take revenge.

    The author deliberately confuses incomparable events into one heap.

    If there were Israelis in place of our troops in Chechnya, and they knew how many of their compatriots died during ethnic cleansing (nobody counted the dead Russians then), then they (the Israelis) would have committed such genocide on the Chechen people from which they would not have recovered many decades, and Grozny would have been turned into a scorched desert.
  55. +2
    12 October 2023 11: 39
    You know, when I saw a video shot by one animal about how other animals kept their feet on Shani Luk, whom they had killed, and other animals spat on what used to be a girl, I somehow had no other thoughts. Animals.

    What I read does not quite match your information. The young girl is alive and in a hospital in Gaza. Sienen also received information that the first hostages - a family with children - had been released from Gaza.
    It is very likely that Luk will also be released.
  56. +1
    12 October 2023 11: 58
    As an example, the recent statement by the worthy daughter of Armenia that it is necessary to detonate a thermonuclear charge over Siberia. But she, too, at first glance, was guided by a good goal - to save the peoples of the planet from information dependence.

    In Siberia, thermonuclear charges have already exploded many times, including the Tsar Bomba, and not very high in the atmosphere.
    And the daughter of Armenia spoke about flying very high in space from which there will be losses only in space reconnaissance, communication and navigation means.
  57. -2
    12 October 2023 22: 18
    Quote: Dutchman Michel
    Cruelty towards civilians will alienate many who once sympathized with Palestine. If you haven't already pushed me away

    The cruelty of the Polish soldiers that they demonstrated during the attack on the German Reich in 1939 alienated all progressive humanity from them...
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  59. 0
    15 October 2023 06: 10
    Why is what is happening in Gaza today bad for all of us? There, with the active support of Israel from the US and the EU, such a fire is fanning there that you can’t throw hats at it. They want to wipe the Palestinians off the face of the earth and thus solve the Palestinian issue. Like “there were no such people here.”. Hamas is just an excuse. But hardly anyone will allow them to do this. And it turns out that the scythe found a stone, but we can all perish. The war must be stopped. A large number of the planet's population may be involved in it. This is not a regional conflict, like in Ukraine. The formula “I came to your house, you must leave it” no longer works in the modern world. Why, I don’t understand.
  60. 0
    15 October 2023 09: 19
    The Russian people must not forget that the Israeli economy was built on “blood money” that various organized crime groups and corrupt officials transferred to Israel. How many scumbags who stole from the Russian people have Israel provided refuge from justice? It’s time to abolish all this dual citizenship, otherwise part of Russian society turns out to be painfully fat, no responsibilities, just rights, almost immediately to Israel, and here we are, die. Let's take the Ukrainian conflict, the best thing Israel could do in relation to Russia is simply not to interfere, but no, and here they screwed us up.
  61. 0
    15 October 2023 09: 27
    Quote: Olga Taschilina
    Why is what is happening in Gaza today bad for all of us? There, with the active support of Israel from the US and the EU, such a fire is fanning there that you can’t throw hats at it. They want to wipe the Palestinians off the face of the earth and thus solve the Palestinian issue. Like “there were no such people here.”. Hamas is just an excuse. But hardly anyone will allow them to do this. And it turns out that the scythe found a stone, but we can all perish. The war must be stopped. A large number of the planet's population may be involved in it. This is not a regional conflict, like in Ukraine. The formula “I came to your house, you must leave it” no longer works in the modern world. Why, I don’t understand.

    For Russia, I think this conflict is quite beneficial, the United States will have to spend resources on its satellites and stop inciting hatred towards Russians, maybe the war between the fraternal peoples of Ukraine and Russia will stop. Russia and Ukraine are already two countries with one of the highest rates of population extinction, it’s time to end this with everything, and the fact that Jews are fighting with Arabs is their problem. We're not here at all. Is it possible that they chose Israel to restrict the entry of former relocants, let them now “defend” the new fatherland, abandon the country in a difficult time for it... passing all the burdens on to a simple Russian peasant. Everything must be fair. In general, everything is obviously moving towards the fact that part of the territory of Ukraine will be cleared of the population and after the Hamas strike on Israel’s nuclear facilities and Israel’s retaliatory strike, these millions will have to be resettled somewhere, just to the depopulated Ukraine and they will be resettled.
  62. 0
    16 October 2023 01: 52
    Not Iran. The ultimate beneficiary is UK, Great Britain. With plans to revive his Empire.