Yom Kippur War. How the Arabs Almost Defeated Israel

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Yom Kippur War. How the Arabs Almost Defeated Israel


Doomsday War


In Israeli historiography it is called the Yom Kippur War, in Arabic it is called the October War. At 3:50 a.m. on October 6, 1973, on the day of the Yom Kippur fast (the holiest day of the year for Jews, when life in the country comes to a standstill), a telephone call woke up the head of the Israeli government, Golda Meir.



The call was from her military secretary, Israel Lior, who reported an urgent notification from the head of the Mossad foreign intelligence service, Zvi Zamir, who had traveled to London to meet with a high-ranking source. Later it became known that it was Ashraf Marwan, the son-in-law of the then deceased Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser.

Zvi Zamir reported that Egypt and Syria are planning to jointly attack Israel. Soon the Prime Minister received a full report from the head of the Mossad. It was reported that the enemy would strike in the early evening of October 6. The military plans of Syria and Egypt were described in some detail. The Israeli army begins mobilization. The enemy struck a little earlier - at 2 o'clock in the afternoon.

The war came as a surprise to the Jewish leadership. Israeli intelligence services knew about the redeployment of the Arab armed forces and more than once received warnings about a possible attack, but they were mistaken in their assessment of what was happening. On the one hand, this was caused by competition between the Mossad and military intelligence. On the other hand, with the position of the political leadership.

After the war, under public pressure, a commission was created to investigate the miscalculations of the leadership on the eve and at the beginning of the war. It was headed by former Chairman of the Supreme Court Shimon Agranat. The commission found the chief of the General Staff David Elazar, the head of military intelligence Eli Zeira and the commander of the southern military district Shmuel Gonen (his first name is Gorodish) to be the main culprits.

However, later, after studying memoirs, interviews and declassified documents, researchers came to the conclusion that Agranat’s commission judged the events biasedly. She saved the reputation of Prime Minister Golda Meir, Defense Minister Moshe Dayan and members of their cabinet, making professional military men scapegoats.

In particular, Golda Meir met with King Hussein of Jordan a week before the war, who warned her that Syrian troops were ready to attack. On October 3, the prime minister held a meeting with the Minister of Defense, high military command and Foreign Minister Yigal Alon. It was concluded that there was no immediate threat of war with the Arabs.

The fact is that at that moment the senior military-political leadership of Israel was convinced of the invincibility of the Israeli army. The Israeli military always beat the Arabs. After the Six Day (June) War of 1967, Israel was in euphoria. It was believed that the enemy was defeated for a long time. Then, as a result of a preventive strike, the Jews quadrupled the territory of their state. The West Bank was captured (historical Judea and Samaria), Gaza Strip, Sinai Peninsula and Golan Heights. The country was on a socio-economic boom.

The ruling Labor party was preparing for the elections, and its election slogans read:

“Peace has been established on the banks of the Suez Canal, in the Sinai Desert, in the Gaza Strip, in the West Bank, in Judea, Samaria and the Golan Heights. Borders are safe. The bridges are open. Jerusalem is united. New settlements are being built and our political situation is stable. All this is the result of a balanced, bold and far-sighted policy.”


Bet on revenge


Completely different moods reigned in Arab society. The crushing defeat in the Six-Day War caused a crisis in the idea of ​​Arab nationalism and Arab unity. The development of political Islam, including its radical movements, begins. The war brought disappointment and a feeling of disaster. This was especially noticeable in Egypt, which claimed to be the leader of the Arab world.

Anwar Sadat, who became President of Egypt in 1970, tried to revive Egypt's importance in the Arab world and, to do this, intended to take revenge for the humiliating defeat in the Six-Day War. Sadat refused military assistance to the USSR and began rapprochement with the United States. At the same time, Egypt retained the military potential created with the help of Moscow.

The Arabs had a serious military advantage. The total strength of the Egyptian and Syrian armed forces was approximately 750 thousand people. And with the participation of allied troops - over 1,1 million people. Israel deployed 375 thousand soldiers at the beginning of the campaign, and 415 thousand after general mobilization.

The Egyptian Air Force had 550 aircraft, the Syrians had 310, and the Israelis had 480. The Arabs also had tank superiority: 2 thousand new Soviet tanks from the Egyptians plus 1,2 thousand from the Syrians. The Israeli tank forces had 1,7 thousand vehicles, many of which were outdated models. The Arabs had more than double superiority in guns and mortars, and triple superiority at sea.


Egyptian troops crossing the Suez Canal

Arab blitzkrieg


The beginning of October 1973 became the most terrible days in the history of Israel. It seemed that the Jewish state was over. Cairo and Damascus prepared the operation well. Israel was beaten from two sides - on the Egyptian and Syrian fronts. Detachments of Iraqis, Jordanians, Libyans, Moroccans and Algerians also entered the war. Pilots from Pakistan fought against Israel.

The Arabs have well learned the lessons of 1967, the developments of Soviet advisers, and studied the experience of the enemy himself. They were perfectly armed with the best military equipment from the USSR in the world at that time. They were able to strike suddenly and seize the initiative.

The Egyptians struck through the Suez Canal, swept away the weak enemy defenses and broke into Sinai. It was a classic operation of the era of industrial states: massive artillery preparation, tank wedges from hundreds of tanks. Soviet Mi-8 helicopters land Egyptian troops behind enemy lines, demoralizing the Jews and disrupting communications. Israel is losing air supremacy: the enemy has powerful air defense. For the first time in battle, Soviet mobile air defense systems of the "Cube" type, anti-aircraft self-propelled guns "Shilka", man-portable missile systems "Strela-2".

The Jews did not have time to preemptively strike Egyptian airfields, and their air force was forced not to seize air supremacy, but to make sorties to save their ground forces, to strike enemy positions and columns. Here the Jewish Air Force ran into heavy fire from Arab air defenses and suffered heavy losses.

At the same time, Israel attacked Syrian troops in the Golan Heights. Heavy fighting began there, the Israelis were being pushed back. The Syrians were able to fire at Israeli territory. The situation was critical. On each front, the enemy had a noticeable advantage in forces and resources over the Jews. It seemed that Egyptian and Syrian troops would crush the Jewish state.

The Israelis are trying to launch a massive attack on Egyptian troops in the Nile Valley, having assembled a strike force of 70 Phantoms. As in 1967, planes enter from the Mediterranean Sea. But now they were faced with strong air defenses built under Russian leadership. Jewish planes intercept the MiG-21. The Israelis lose 18 vehicles, shooting down 4 enemy vehicles.

In attempts to suppress Syrian air defenses and bomb airfields, the Israeli Air Force also suffers heavy losses. Before the start of the war, Israel had 99 F-4s, and about 55 were lost. The United States, in order to make up for these losses, delivered 52 Phantoms to Israel in two batches at the end of October.


Egyptian soldiers after breaking through the Bar Leva line in the Suez Canal area in the first week of the war

USA saves Israel


Israel was able to attract the United States to its side. Americans are making emergency supplies weapons by air. A powerful Jewish American, US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, came out on Israel's side. He bluntly told Anwar Sadat: America will not tolerate the defeat of Israel. And if Cairo wants to receive American investment, then there is no need to do anything stupid.

As a result, the Egyptian troops, which had penetrated the Sinai Peninsula with the forces of the 2nd and 3rd armies at 15–20 km, stopped on October 9–13. The Arabs began to gain a foothold in the occupied territories, instead of developing an offensive, not allowing the enemy to come to his senses.

Therefore, the Jews were able to come to their senses, regroup their forces and launch a counteroffensive. The Israelis regained previously lost positions and then struck themselves.

Egypt is losing strategic initiative.


The wreckage of an Israeli Phantom shot down by the Syrians in 1973

Israeli blitzkrieg


On October 15, the Israeli army went on the offensive on the Sinai-Suez front. The main blow was delivered to the 2nd Egyptian Army, which held the left flank. The Israelis reached the Great Bitter Lake, which is located between the northern and southern parts of the Suez Canal. The solid front of the Egyptian troops was torn by this lake. This lake became the key to the victory of the Israeli troops.

On the evening of October 16, several amphibious tanks and amphibious armored personnel carriers crossed the lake and created a bridgehead behind enemy lines. For some reason, the Egyptians slept through the enemy landing. They thought it was impossible. According to them, the Jews had no means of transportation.

The next night, another 30 tanks were transported to the other side, and the bridgehead was expanded. The Israelis then transported another 60 tanks to the east bank. On the night of October 19, the Israelis built two floating bridges across the Great Bitter Lake and transferred new infantry and tanks.

He commanded the strike force (143rd Armored Division) - “Bulldozer”, the desperate brave man Ariel Sharon. He carried out the operation in the best traditions of the German Wehrmacht of 1939–1941. Many battle groups burst into the Egyptian rear, forcing a tank company, reinforced by mobile infantry on armored personnel carriers. Someone was specially dressed in Egyptian military uniform.

Sharon's mobile groups looked for weak points in the rear of the Egyptians, and from the rear they destroyed the positions of air defense systems, artillery, headquarters and rear bases. Panic began among the Arabs. Israeli aviation supported the strike force from the air, the Arab air defense was noticeably weakened by the actions of mobile groups.

The Israelis took a big risk. The crossings could be destroyed by Arab air forces and artillery. Sharon's troops would have been completely surrounded, deprived of the supply of fuel and ammunition. However, a miracle happened again. Egyptian President Sadat ordered a stop to the massive artillery shelling of the crossings that had begun, and the Egyptian special forces brigade aimed at destroying the pontoons received a strict ban from Cairo to carry out this operation.

As a result, the Israelis successfully defeated the enemy's rear and blocked the 3rd Egyptian Army. Soon, 300 Israeli tanks crossed the Suez and prepared to rush to Cairo.


Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan is a hero of the Six Day War and a controversial figure in the Yom Kippur War. In the photo he is at the site of the disengagement of Egyptian and Israeli forces in the Suez Canal area after the ceasefire

Cairo began to play giveaway


Egyptian President Sadat caved in under Kissinger's pressure and did not dare to win. He didn't have enough will to finish off his opponent. He wanted to receive American financial assistance of $2 billion annually to rebuild the country's economy. It is clear that this helped him and other Egyptian dignitaries get rich.

It is worth noting that Moscow, which at that time was intensively arming Egypt and Damascus (on October 9–22, an average of 30 planes with Soviet equipment arrived per day), also insisted on peace. The USSR did not want the defeat of Israel.

At the same time, Washington and Moscow were negotiating the possibility of a ceasefire. Kissinger flew to Moscow. Both sides urged Cairo to stop. At the same time, from the very beginning of hostilities, it was proposed that everyone remain in the territories occupied at the time of the conclusion of the ceasefire agreement. At first, this did not suit Israel at all.

Damascus took the toughest position. Therefore, according to some sources, the Syrians received a warning that if they crossed the Jordan, the Israeli army would launch a nuclear attack on Damascus.

As a result, Sadat caved in and asked for a truce.

On October 22, the UN Security Council adopted resolution No. 338 on a ceasefire and called for the implementation of the resolution of November 22, 1967. Israel continued fighting. Then Moscow exerted military-political pressure on the United States and Israel.

The USSR warned Israel “of the most severe consequences” if it continued aggressive actions against Egypt and Syria. At the same time, Brezhnev sent an urgent telegram to Nixon, in which he assured the American side that if it was passive in resolving the crisis, the USSR would be faced with the need to “urgently consider taking the necessary unilateral steps.”

Moscow is preparing airborne divisions for deployment to the conflict zone. Israeli troops stopped their offensive and the war ended on October 25.

On January 18, 1974, at the 101st kilometer of the Cairo-Suez highway, in the presence of the American delegation, Egyptian representatives signed an agreement with the Israelis on the disengagement of troops. Israel withdrew its troops 32 km from the Suez Canal. On May 31, a similar agreement, but with the mediation of the USSR and the USA, was signed by Israel and Syria. Part of the Golan Heights with Quneitra was returned to Syria on the terms of demilitarization and the deployment of UN troops here.


Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir admitted her responsibility for the fact that the country was not ready for war and resigned

Results


The fighting continued for almost three weeks. During this time, 2,5–3 thousand Israeli soldiers were killed, 7–9 thousand were wounded. Several hundred people were taken prisoner. Data on Arab losses vary greatly - from 8,5–9 to 18 thousand dead, from 19 to more than 50 thousand wounded, 8–9 thousand prisoners.

In September 1978, at the Camp David summit chaired by Jimmy Carter, Sadat and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin agreed on peace, mutual recognition and the return of the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt. The peace treaty was concluded on March 26, 1979.

Israel has pledged to withdraw troops and evacuate Jewish settlements from the Sinai Peninsula, which it occupied in 1967. In 1978, Anwar Sadat and Menachem Begin were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for signing the peace agreements. Israel's peace talks with Syria ended without results.

Egyptians celebrate October 6th as a day of great victory. Society was on the rise. Again, for a short time, the illusion of unity of the Arab and Islamic worlds arose. Arab countries, in solidarity with Damascus and Cairo, declared that they would not supply oil to the United States and other Western countries that supported Israel. As a result, world oil prices quadrupled. The oil crisis lasted until March 1974.

The illusion of Arab unity quickly collapsed; in 1977, Sadat was the first Arab leader to visit Israel, and two years later he signed a peace agreement with it. Egypt was expelled from the Arab League for ten years. On October 6, 1981, during a parade marking the anniversary of the war, Sadat was assassinated by Islamists.

Israeli society took this war hard. The Yom Kippur War showed that you can lose an entire country in an instant. The Jews were looking for mistakes, experiencing the failure of the military-political leadership. In 1974, amid a wave of protests unprecedented at that time, the government of Golda Meir resigned.


Camp David Agreement. Sadat (left) shakes Begin's hand in Carter's presence. 1978
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  1. +25
    5 October 2023 04: 50
    That's how one donkey, loaded with gold (American investment in Egypt), was able to turn the whole war around.
    1. +9
      5 October 2023 06: 37
      Quote: Proton
      That's how one donkey, loaded with gold (American investment in Egypt), was able to turn the whole war around.

      War is just a continuation of politics by other means. Saddath had a goal - to return Sinai, and he achieved this goal, and at the same time received investments from the United States - it seems like a trifle, but nice
      1. +2
        13 October 2023 20: 48
        How simple it is - he had a goal... He achieved his goal - he was killed at the parade.
    2. -4
      5 October 2023 17: 03
      Quote: Proton
      That's how one donkey, loaded with gold (American investment in Egypt), was able to turn the whole war around.

      Do you seriously think that Egypt would defeat Israel? One-on-one is possible. But against the USA there are no options
  2. +21
    5 October 2023 04: 56
    L. I. Brezhnev, after the defeat of the Arabs in this war, in a conversation with A. A. Gromyko, is credited with the words: fuck her! We gave them the best weapons, which were not available even in Vietnam, they had both numerical superiority and superiority in military equipment, but they abandoned this war.... There will be no landing of our troops there, I will not start a world war because of them...
    1. +9
      5 October 2023 06: 09
      Quote: Luminman
      and they asked for this war....ali.

      And they did not plan to win it, because they understood that by that time it was no longer possible to do this for many reasons. The Arabs’ task was precisely to force Israel to begin a dialogue about the return of Sinai and the Golan, to show that they had not resigned themselves.
      Analysis of that war with knowledge of all the details today puts everything in its place.
      The Arabs stopped not because they “didn’t want” to win, but because they could not continue:

      1. They reached the border of the air defense umbrella, and further advance required the redeployment of all stationary C-75s and C-125s. Since the Arab Air Force could not compete with the IDF Air Force, leaving the air defense umbrella would have led to catastrophic losses from air strikes.

      2. The Arabs themselves did not count on any success, so there were simply no plans to continue the war longer than the initial breakthrough. After all, their main task was simply not to let Israel rest on its laurels in ’67.

      3. The main factor that forced the USA and the USSR to twitch convulsively in search of a way to end this war, and the USA to begin supplying weapons (which they initially refused to do) is that after Carter’s initial passive reaction, Israel rolled out missiles with nuclear weapons to the launching positions so that American and Soviet satellites could see them.
      And the Arabs themselves understood perfectly well that in case of defeat, Israel would take them to the grave. After all, the channel through King Hussein worked in both directions, and this message was sent.

      So this article is based on a common cliché. The author simply does not know the nuances and has not studied this topic seriously.
      1. +6
        5 October 2023 10: 48
        How many nuclear warheads did they have then? The use of nuclear weapons is a guaranteed embargo on the supply of oil and petroleum products to Israel by the Arabs. How much would they pull?
        And the USSR and the USA would not just look at it like that. It is unlikely that the United States continued to unconditionally support Israel after the use of nuclear weapons against cities.
        I fully believe that the Arabs have shortcomings in planning, but why start a war if you don’t know what kind of peace you need after it?
        1. +4
          5 October 2023 12: 59
          Quote: Not the fighter
          How many nuclear warheads did they have then? The use of nuclear weapons is a guaranteed embargo on the supply of oil and petroleum products to Israel by the Arabs. How much would they pull?
          And the USSR and the USA would not just look at it like that. It is unlikely that the United States continued to unconditionally support Israel after the use of nuclear weapons against cities.
          I fully believe that the Arabs have shortcomings in planning, but why start a war if you don’t know what kind of peace you need after it?

          Israel officially does not have a single nuclear weapon, but it has promised to use it if there is a threat to the existence of the state. And with such a threat, the embargo of the oil powers or the wrath of the United States looks like the lesser of two evils. After all, the Israelis bombed a US signals intelligence vessel without blinking an eye during the Six Day War.
          And yet, the Egyptians (namely Anwar Saddath) knew very well what kind of peace they needed and it was this world that they achieved, plus or minus. Another thing is that the Syrians were counting on more, but Assad’s place was not destined to come true.
          1. -1
            5 October 2023 18: 20
            Quote from Escariot
            The Israelis bombed a US signals intelligence vessel without batting a brown eye during the Six Day War.

            For nefig. am
            These woodpeckers poorly encrypted their communication channels, and the intelligence information on Israel that they transmitted fell into the hands of the Soviet RTR troops, who in turn leaked it to the Arabs.
            Israel listened to Arab communication channels and found out. It was a matter of a couple of hours to figure out where it was leaking from. And since there was no time for politeness and diplomatic talk, there was no time. Then they whipped up a legend: “they allegedly confused it with an Egyptian corvette” and broke this tub.
            Moreover, they broke it in like a jewel, without drowning it, because the states certainly would not have let the death of one and a half hundred sailors go unnoticed.
            Alien RTR troops generally have no luck near Israel.
        2. -1
          5 October 2023 18: 10
          Quote: Not the fighter
          How many nuclear warheads did they have then?

          About 20 on first-generation Jericho missiles (in service since 1971), to Damascus with Cairo and a dozen other large cities, would have been enough for the eyes; there were no means of intercepting ballistic missiles then.

          Quote: Not the fighter
          The use of nuclear weapons is a guaranteed embargo on the supply of oil and petroleum products to Israel by the Arabs.

          Don't write nonsense. What the hell is the embargo on the dead?
          1. The leadership and population of Israel were convinced that the victory of the Arab coalition would be followed by total genocide of the Israelis. When it comes to physical survival, economic consequences are the least of the concerns.
          2. In addition, the Arabs already had a total embargo against Israel from the very beginning (since 1947), on everything in general, and not just on energy resources.

          Quote: Not the fighter
          It is unlikely that the United States continued to unconditionally support Israel after the use of nuclear weapons against cities.

          What letter is in the phrase "to kill" with both to the grave" you did not understand?

          Quote: Not the fighter
          but why start a war if you don’t know what kind of peace you need after it?

          After the war of '67, the plate turned over; if before it the Arabs did not want to talk to Israel about anything at all, then after it Israel took a stand. Like “if you want to speak only by force, then so be it,” and refused to communicate with Arabs in principle (except for King Hussein, who himself established an unofficial communication channel immediately after ’67).
          Suddath started this war already knowing what he wanted. His goal was to return weight to Egypt and force Israel to negotiate. Before the war, he was already ready to recognize Israel and make peace (which happened in ’79), but could not conclude it against the backdrop of the war of ’67, from the position of a weak, defeated and humiliated side. He needed to show strength so that Israel would perceive him as an equal.
      2. +2
        5 October 2023 11: 19
        “doesn’t know the nuances”, but the nuances are of great importance
        It seems to me that it would be interesting to compare: the Israeli vision of the situation and Samsonov’s conclusions.
        1. +1
          5 October 2023 14: 48
          It seems to me that it would be interesting to compare: the Israeli vision of the situation and Samsonov’s conclusions

          It's like comparing objet d'art to scrambled eggs.
      3. BAI
        +1
        5 October 2023 20: 15
        Nuclear weapons do not decide the outcome of a war. The armies suffer minimal losses. Main casualties - civilians
      4. +3
        6 October 2023 04: 00
        And Us Rat
        Crankcase

        Yes, you did a great job of studying and you are absolutely on top of the nuances!!! - Nixon was the President. This greatly undermines any trust in “missiles with nuclear weapons”... and other considerations. Your comments, including others about this war, are based on ignorance, guesswork, gossip, wishful thinking and propaganda. Fail.
    2. 0
      19 January 2024 20: 59
      This is probably attributed to the Zionists! The article clearly states that the alliance did not want Israel to be defeated. If it were not for the corrupt “animal” Sadat, the pressure of the USA, their military assistance, the pressure of the USSR, this cancerous tumor would not have existed.
  3. -3
    5 October 2023 05: 01
    It seemed that the Jewish state was over.
    That would be nice!
    1. +1
      5 October 2023 05: 08
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      That would be nice!

      In its current form, this is certainly true, but the Jews should certainly have their own state.
      1. +2
        5 October 2023 05: 14
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Jews should certainly have their own state

        Without a doubt! They just created it on lands that had already been occupied by others for 2000 years, hence the incessant conflicts. They were offered uninhabited lands where there would be no tension with the local population somewhere in South America and Africa, but they refused...
        1. +6
          5 October 2023 07: 08
          Quote: Luminman
          him on lands that have already been occupied by others for 2000 years,

          Where did the Jews live 2000 years ago? Or were they not in that region? What nationality were Christ and those who were with him and against him?
          1. +4
            5 October 2023 07: 10
            Quote: victor50
            Where did the Jews live 2000 years ago?

            When did the dispersion of the Jews begin?
            1. +5
              5 October 2023 08: 09
              Quote: Luminman
              Quote: victor50
              Where did the Jews live 2000 years ago?

              When did the dispersion of the Jews begin?

              Do you really think that before the British partitioned the territories of Palestine, there were no Jews there at that time?
            2. +1
              5 October 2023 08: 09
              Quote: Luminman
              Quote: victor50
              Where did the Jews live 2000 years ago?

              When did the dispersion of the Jews begin?

              Do you really think that before the British partitioned the territories of Palestine, there were no Jews there at that time?
              1. +6
                5 October 2023 08: 15
                Quote: SovAr238A
                Do you really think that before the British partitioned the territories of Palestine, there were no Jews there at that time?

                Of course there were, but there were as many of them there as there are now blacks in Magadan... wink
                1. 0
                  5 October 2023 17: 08
                  Quote: Luminman
                  Of course there were, but there were as many of them there as there are now blacks in Magadan...

                  And yet they wanted to return to the homeland of their ancestors. And everyone would have lived peacefully and happily if not for the Arabs’ fixed idea of ​​destroying the state of Israel
        2. +2
          5 October 2023 08: 19
          And that there was no Kingdom of Judah at all?
          1. +4
            5 October 2023 08: 24
            Quote: kor1vet1974
            And that there was no Kingdom of Judah at all?

            There was Assyria, there was Rome, Carthage. And if you dig even further, there was Sumer. Let's revive them too?
            1. +3
              5 October 2023 09: 00
              That is, the fault of the Jews is that as the Roman Empire conquered them, so things went, and when they were conquered, they were expelled, every single one of them, at once, as under the Persians, although they were later returned to these lands. And then they began to seep into Palestine, so the UN decided to create a state there, or rather two Israeli and Arab? smile
            2. -3
              6 October 2023 08: 15
              Quote: Luminman
              There was Assyria, there was Rome, Carthage. And if you dig even further, there was Sumer. Let's revive them too?

              Well, someone is trying to restore the USSR. The people were killed for the sake of such fun that it would completely block all the Israeli-Arab warriors.
            3. 0
              18 January 2024 20: 41
              Quote: Luminman
              Quote: kor1vet1974
              And that there was no Kingdom of Judah at all?

              There was Assyria, there was Rome, Carthage. And if you dig even further, there was Sumer. Let's revive them too?

              Come on! Assyrians, Romans, Carthaginians, Sumerians - for? How many of them have they submitted a request to the UN for revival?
            4. 0
              18 January 2024 20: 41
              Quote: Luminman
              Quote: kor1vet1974
              And that there was no Kingdom of Judah at all?

              There was Assyria, there was Rome, Carthage. And if you dig even further, there was Sumer. Let's revive them too?

              Come on! Assyrians, Romans, Carthaginians, Sumerians - for? How many of them have they submitted a request to the UN for revival?
      2. +11
        5 October 2023 05: 21
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        In its current form, this is certainly true, but the Jews should certainly have their own state.

        If only the gypsies could make a state, let them tell each other’s fortunes.
        1. -3
          5 October 2023 17: 10
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          If only the gypsies could make a state, let them tell each other’s fortunes.

          And allocate Moscow to them for these purposes
      3. 0
        5 October 2023 06: 04
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        In its current form this is certainly true, but the Jews should certainly have their own state

        That's how it is. They gave them the JAO. Jews pray for us
        must! The only Jewish administrative-territorial entity in the world, besides Israel, with official legal status.
        No one gave anything to the Jews except us. Neither Ukraine, nor Poland, nor Germany... Not grateful!
        1. -3
          5 October 2023 06: 26
          Quote: Stas157
          They gave them the JAO.

          Which is essentially a ghetto, in the most literal sense of the word, and even in climatic conditions in which mainly only prison camps were created.
          Not surprisingly, only forcibly resettled Jews lived there and fled at the first opportunity. The Jewish Autonomous Region today is a shameful monument to racial segregation.
          In addition, this ghetto was created only for Soviet Jews and at a time when Jewish settlers had already been building the infrastructure and institutions of the future country on the lands of Israel for 100 years.
          The process of creating a country does not happen in a year; it began in the middle of the 19th century, and by the 47th it was almost completed.
          1. +8
            5 October 2023 06: 41
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Which is essentially a ghetto, in the most literal sense of the word, and even in climatic conditions

            People actually live there. Russians. The conditions are the same as everywhere else in Russia. Do you need a special position? As for the climate, we have a northern country.
            1. +1
              5 October 2023 08: 10
              Quote: Stas157

              That's how it is. They gave them the JAO. Jews pray for us
              must!

              The Jewish Autonomous Region has one of the lowest percentages of Jews living from the regions of the Russian Federation, while... most of all in Moscow..
              1. 0
                5 October 2023 18: 57
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                The Jewish Autonomous Region has one of the lowest percentages of Jews living in Russian regions

                Because most Jews consider the very existence of such a reservation based on ethnicity to be offensive. negative
                Those who wanted to left for Israel a long time ago, and those who remained consider themselves primarily Russians, while 90% of those who remain do not attach any importance to their ethnic group, they are full-fledged bearers of Slavic culture, who know nothing about Jewish culture in general.

                Py.Sy. I’ll tell you something seditious: I, who grew up in Israel from an early age, also know almost nothing about Eastern European Jewish culture, since I grew up in Israeli culture, which is completely different, much like Chinese is from Uzbek.
                1. +1
                  5 October 2023 20: 36
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  I grew up in Israel from an early age

                  Where did you learn Russian interestingly? In the Mossad?
                  1. +4
                    5 October 2023 21: 24
                    Quote from Kartograph
                    Where did you learn Russian interestingly? In the Mossad?

                    I read books, but in general I studied in a Soviet school until the 4th grade, with straight A’s, including in Russian.

                    Quote from Kartograph
                    In the Mossad?

                    I taught there. bully
              2. +2
                18 January 2024 20: 48
                Quote: 2 level advisor
                Quote: Stas157

                That's how it is. They gave them the JAO. Jews pray for us
                must!

                The Jewish Autonomous Region has one of the lowest percentages of Jews living in Russian regions

                In the Warsaw Ghetto the percentage of Jews is now even lower.
            2. -2
              5 October 2023 18: 32
              Quote: Stas157
              People actually live there. Russians.

              They were not forced there as Jews.

              Quote: Stas157
              The conditions are the same as everywhere else in Russia.

              Tell this to the Jews who were resettled there from Odessa.

              Quote: Stas157
              Do you need a special position?

              Yes, it is necessary, in the form of a sovereign state on its own land, and not a ghetto on bird's rights in a foreign country.

              Quote: Stas157
              As for the climate, we have a northern country.

              Somehow I haven’t seen the tundra in Krasnodar.
          2. +3
            5 October 2023 11: 11
            Quote: And Us Rat
            The Jewish Autonomous Region today is a shameful monument to racial segregation.

            Yeah, here's a monument:

            such:

            and like this:

            What a terrible shame!
            1. -2
              5 October 2023 18: 43
              Quote: Dym71
              What a terrible shame!

              If the cake is made of feces, chocolate frosting won't fix it. The main goal of creating the JAO was to “liberate” the remaining regions of the USSR from the Jewish presence, forcibly evicting all Jews to one place and away from the center. The same "Pale of Settlement", only in the Soviet version. “Out of sight, out of mind,” if this is not a ghetto, then I am the Pope. No.
              The project, begun in 1934, was not completed only because the Germans, with their ghettos and concentration camps, denigrated the very idea of ​​such a solution.
              And Stalin did not want to evoke associations with the actions of the German Nazis, in the eyes of the world community.
          3. +1
            5 October 2023 17: 12
            Quote: And Us Rat
            and even in climatic conditions in which mainly only prison camps were created.

            They do not look at a given horse's teeth.
            Well, everyone wants to live by the sea...
            1. -3
              5 October 2023 18: 47
              Quote from Kartograph
              They do not look at a given horse's teeth.

              Calling a gift a place to which you are forcibly resettled, having been kicked out of your home... - well, that’s just it. fool
              1. 0
                5 October 2023 20: 59
                Quote: And Us Rat
                Quote from Kartograph
                They do not look at a given horse's teeth.

                Calling a gift a place to which you are forcibly resettled, having been kicked out of your home... - well, that’s just it. fool

                Tell this to the Palestinians:
                “Israel's transfer of its own population into occupied territory confirms its deliberate intention to colonize it. This practice is prohibited by international humanitarian law,” human rights activists said. They say this could amount to a war crime.

                An estimated 150 Palestinian families in areas adjacent to the Old City of Jerusalem, such as Silwan and Sheikh Jarrah, are at risk of forced eviction and displacement by Israeli authorities and Israeli settler organizations.

                In recent decades, hundreds of Palestinian homes in occupied East Jerusalem have been seized by settlers, including under a law that allows property that was in Israeli hands before 1948 to be transferred to the "original Jewish owners" or their "heirs." Manipulating the law helps settler organizations expropriate Palestinian property, experts say.

                “The law is discriminatory and self-serving, and no such right to restitution exists for the more than one million Palestinians and their descendants who were displaced from Jerusalem, Israel, and the rest of the West Bank and Gaza in 1947 and 1967. They are still waiting for justice,” the UN experts said.
                1. +2
                  5 October 2023 21: 29
                  Quote from Kartograph
                  In recent decades, hundreds of Palestinian homes...

                  You will be surprised, but a whole army of TsIPSO is working against Israel, financed by left-liberals from Europe, Iran and other riffraff, they love to pull such crap by the ears.
                  Israel would REALLY like to evict everyone, it would be like in Karabakh - 100.000 in a week, this is how I understand the scale. fellow
          4. -1
            6 November 2023 00: 00
            Or maybe they should have given Crimea to them, wow, asking if it would be fat
      4. +5
        5 October 2023 08: 10
        I personally have no enthusiasm for Jews as a people, I’m probably even an anti-Semite somewhere, but Israel is still their ancient homeland, and should belong to them. The Arabs have plenty of other territories, but the Jews have only this one. Do not have another one. And even more so - all the ancient shrines of the Jewish people are located on it. In general, I don’t really understand how they tolerate it when there is a mosque on the Temple Mount, the site of Solomon’s First Temple. In my opinion, this is blatantly unfair. Well, imagine - how would we react to a mosque on the site of, say, the Novgorod St. Sophia Cathedral?

        So - I would give ALL the territories of modern Israel to the Jews. By forcing them to pay VERY generous compensation to the evicted Arabs. Nothing, really, nothing, and the Jewish Diaspora certainly does not suffer from a lack of money. They will not become poor. And with that, let’s finish this mess.
        1. +2
          5 October 2023 08: 20
          Quote: paul3390
          Israel is their ancient homeland, and should belong to them

          If you follow your logic, then it is necessary to revive Assyria - they also have no land, and their ancient homeland is Mesopotamia. Only the Arabs will not agree with this. It just so happened historically that they lost their homeland long ago...

          P.S. You can still return the Britons from Breton back to England, but the British will not agree with this either. Drive all the Germans to Scandinavia, and the Slavs to the south of the Baltic. I can go on forever...
          1. +1
            5 October 2023 09: 34
            Good suggestions though! Most of them I personally approve and support.
            1. +2
              5 October 2023 11: 09
              Quote: paul3390
              Good suggestions though!

              If the offer is good for you - I don’t know where you live - then you, most likely, will have to change your place of residence to give it up to the autochthons, and pack your bags and go to the territory where your ancestors once lived. I'll definitely have to... wink
        2. +1
          5 October 2023 17: 15
          Quote: paul3390
          So - I would give ALL the territories of modern Israel to the Jews. By forcing them to pay VERY hefty compensation to the evicted Arabs

          As far as I know, the Arabs do not agree to this. This is not the USSR, which evicted people for free. And who will force them?
      5. 0
        19 January 2024 21: 04
        If only on Mars? Show your essence...
    2. +3
      5 October 2023 05: 21
      Well, tell me, how will Russia or the world benefit from the liquidation of the state of Israel?
      1. +6
        5 October 2023 06: 11
        Quote: Cartalon
        Well, tell me, how will Russia or the world benefit from the liquidation of the state of Israel?

        Anti-Semites will get animal pleasure.
        1. +3
          5 October 2023 08: 04
          Yes, in general, I myself am an anti-Semite, I don’t like the disproportionate presence of Jews in government and business, but what does Israel have to do with it?
          1. +1
            5 October 2023 19: 41
            Quote: Cartalon
            Yes, I’m basically an anti-Semite myself

            Apparently you do not fully understand the meaning of this term. laughing

            Quote: Cartalon
            disproportionate presence of Jews in government and business

            There’s just one nuance: they only have a couple of DNA strands from Jews. They were born and raised in Soviet/Russian culture, and are carriers of the Slavic mentality. They are one of you, flesh of flesh, blood of blood.

            Quote: Cartalon
            but what does Israel have to do with it?

            What does it have to do with it? belay Who conspired with the reptilians and drank all the water in the tap? belay Who sells matzah from the blood of babies to the faithful? wassat Who chipped MIKHAN in his sleep? This is a breeding ground for world Zionism and, in general, a source of universal evil! wassat
            Every real anti-Semite should know this! Yes
            1. -1
              5 October 2023 21: 14
              Quote: And Us Rat
              There’s just one nuance: they only have a couple of DNA strands from Jews. They were born and raised in Soviet/Russian culture, and are carriers of the Slavic mentality. They are one of you, flesh of flesh, blood of blood.

              An interesting estimate. But it concerns a quarter of the Israeli population who repatriated from the USSR. When Israel lacked a population, they modestly kept silent about this, but now apparently they have begun to count the number of chains?
              1. +2
                5 October 2023 21: 42
                Quote from Kartograph
                But it concerns a quarter of the Israeli population who repatriated from the USSR.

                Oh, this is a separate story, they had to get used to the new mentality for years, and some were not able to adapt at all (those who went for sausage) and dispersed to different Canadas and Germany. Good riddance to them.

                Quote from Kartograph
                When Israel lacked population, they somehow modestly kept silent about it

                No, it’s just that any descendant of Jews has the right to a chance of reintegration into a revived original Israeli culture. And the wheat from the chaff is sifted out on its own.

                Quote from Kartograph
                and now apparently they have started counting the number of chains?

                Now there are more and more calls to tighten the screws and tighten the screening; there has been too much garbage in the last 10 years.
                The impetus was an incident when a gang of young imbeciles, brought for a week by their sausage parents from the CIS countries, ran around the city and painted swastikas on the walls.
    3. -2
      5 October 2023 06: 10
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      It seemed that the Jewish state was over.
      That would be nice!

      Don't dig a hole for someone else. The USSR also wanted this, and where is it now?
  4. +1
    5 October 2023 05: 20
    Sadat was the first Arab leader to visit Israel, and two years later he signed a peace agreement with it.

    Sadat reminds me of Pashinyan in some way. Looks like he will also end up like Sadat
    1. +3
      5 October 2023 06: 12
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Sadat reminds me of Pashinyan in some way

      The author is simply replicating a cliché, everything was different there, as I described above.
  5. 0
    5 October 2023 05: 21
    As this reminds me of today, we reached Kyiv, almost captured the entire territory and suddenly retreated, caved in, were afraid of the guy from Washington
    1. +9
      5 October 2023 06: 14
      Quote: lthce
      As this reminds me of today, we reached Kyiv, almost captured the entire territory and suddenly retreated, caved in, were afraid of the guy from Washington

      It only seems so, in reality the situations are different.
      The Arabs initially had no expectation of victory, and the Northern Military District had a political miscalculation and underestimation of the required military efforts; the size of the group was simply not enough.
      1. +5
        5 October 2023 07: 36
        Quote: And Us Rat
        The Arabs initially had no expectation of victory

        Without hope of victory, no one starts a war
        1. +1
          5 October 2023 17: 19
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          Without hope of victory, no one starts a war

          There is the concept of Victory, and there is the concept of “set goals”
        2. +4
          5 October 2023 19: 20
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          Without hope of victory, no one starts a war

          Victory is different from victory. Egypt eventually got Sinai back, so you could say they won in the end. And Israel received recognition and peace from Egypt, and this is also a victory. In fact, only the Syrians lost in that war, and that was due to the shortsightedness of Assad the Elder. If he had been smarter and made peace with Egypt, there would have been no losers in that war.
      2. 0
        6 October 2023 00: 13
        It could not have been increased without the Ukrainian one also increasing, and everything would have returned to normal, as it is now.
      3. -2
        7 October 2023 20: 18
        And now you have a political miscalculation or are you just simply falling in love with everyone?
  6. -1
    5 October 2023 05: 42
    Thanks to the author!
    Interesting. A lot of things are new to me.

    The epithet is only for the title itself...
    How Napoleon almost conquered Russia.
    1. +4
      5 October 2023 06: 34
      Quote from Fangaro
      Thanks to the author!
      Interesting. A lot of things are new to me.

      The author missed a lot and distorted something. He does not master the topic at the proper level.
  7. +12
    5 October 2023 05: 43
    The fact is that Saddath did not initially plan to destroy Israel. The Egyptian headquarters had a plan for a limited battle under the cover of SAMs from the west bank of the canal and nothing more. And I really didn’t want to get out from under the cover of these air defense systems. And a forced march through the Sinai desert and mountain passes with the superiority of Israeli aviation is a sophisticated form of suicide. And the Egyptians were well aware of this. This time.
    2) Golden Mier, many people could say a lot of things, but the political leadership had a military intelligence report in their hands, which stated the impossibility of an offensive by the Arabs. So who should we believe: the tales of the King of Jordan or our own intelligence? And that time the Arabs (namely the Egyptians) really did a great job, deceiving Israeli intelligence. Yes, they even began demobilization immediately before the war, and the troops at the front line until the last thought that they were going to an exercise.
    Third, the Syrians and Egyptians fought two parallel wars with Israel, and accordingly their actions were not synchronized. Having achieved local success, the Egyptians stopped according to their own plan, but the Syrians continued to attack the Jewish fortifications with a drill. Israel had the opportunity to maneuver its reserves and they successively defeated first the Syrians and then the Egyptians
  8. +5
    5 October 2023 05: 44
    The Egyptians will be able to defeat Israel only if they stop being corrupt, cowardly and hand-to-hand. And this will not happen even in an alternative reality. request
    1. +1
      5 October 2023 06: 36
      Quote: Amateur
      The Egyptians will be able to defeat Israel only if they stop being corrupt, cowardly and hand-to-hand.

      This would have been relevant in the 50s, while Israel did not have human resources, nuclear weapons, and was armed with equipment from the Second World War. Today it is an empty shock of air.
      Defeating a nuclear power and surviving at the same time using conventional methods is impossible in principle. Only to wear it down economically and force it to be resolved from within, like the USSR.
      1. +1
        5 October 2023 06: 47
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Quote: Amateur
        The Egyptians will be able to defeat Israel only if they stop being corrupt, cowardly and hand-to-hand.

        This would have been relevant in the 50s, while Israel did not have human resources, nuclear weapons, and was armed with equipment from the Second World War. Today it is an empty shock of air.
        Defeating a nuclear power and surviving at the same time using conventional methods is impossible in principle. Only to wear it down economically and force it to be resolved from within, like the USSR.

        It is possible to win, but to crush and destroy is unlikely.
        1. +4
          5 October 2023 07: 39
          Quote from Escariot
          It is possible to win, but to crush and destroy is unlikely.

          As soon as the United States is covered with a copper basin, Israel will immediately face a mess. I'm not saying that it will happen tomorrow, but there are no eternal states
          1. +4
            5 October 2023 09: 45
            Quote: Dutchman Michel
            Quote from Escariot
            It is possible to win, but to crush and destroy is unlikely.

            As soon as the United States is covered with a copper basin, Israel will immediately face a mess. I'm not saying that it will happen tomorrow, but there are no eternal states

            Israel was able to come to an agreement with Egypt and now they are quite allies. We reached an agreement with Jordan even earlier. Now they are trying to come to an agreement with the SA and the UAE. So I have good relations with most neighbors
          2. 0
            5 October 2023 17: 22
            Quote: Dutchman Michel
            so immediately Israel will be in ruins.

            And at the same time to all neighboring countries
          3. +2
            5 October 2023 19: 48
            Quote: Dutchman Michel
            As soon as the United States is covered with a copper basin, Israel will immediately face a mess.

            Blessed is the one who believes, he is warm in the world. laughing
            Although you have to be the most dense ignoramus, not knowing or understanding what is happening in the world, to believe in such nonsense. lol

            Quote: Dutchman Michel
            there are no eternal states

            This is true, today the Russian Federation is butting heads with the United States, and in 2000-3000 years, only dry lines will remain from both in history books - “in ancient and wild times, the planet from which our interstellar human expansion began was divided into tribes, calling them country, due to the underdevelopment of the people of that era." wink
            1. +2
              5 October 2023 20: 00
              There are big doubts that this civilization will last 300-
              500 years. And Stellar Expansion is generally fantasy.
              1. 0
                5 October 2023 21: 47
                Quote: Essex62
                There are big doubts

                Yes to your health. Everyone has the right to their misconceptions, they don’t make the weather. fellow

                Quote: Essex62
                And Stellar Expansion is generally fantasy.

                Then humanity will definitely be screwed; such an expansive species cannot survive otherwise. This will be a slow degradation and a rollback into the Stone Age, but with an end.
      2. +5
        5 October 2023 07: 31
        This would have been relevant in the 50s, while Israel did not have human resources, nuclear weapons, and was armed with equipment from the Second World War. Today it is an empty shock of air.

        Do you think that the Egyptians will theoretically be able to “stop being corrupt, cowardly and handy”? Hardly. drinks
        1. +1
          5 October 2023 19: 54
          Quote: Amateur
          Do you think that the Egyptians will theoretically be able to “stop being corrupt, cowardly and handy”?

          They can. Yes But for this they need to become Jews. laughing
  9. +2
    5 October 2023 06: 21
    The Arabs had no chance. Big guys from Washington (it’s clear there is a Jew on a Jew) and Moscow (which is strange) worked as a cover for Israel. But the ability to take advantage of the situation and the ability to fight cannot be denied to the Jews. They turned it in their favor.
  10. +1
    5 October 2023 09: 12
    Unfortunately, but barely, it doesn’t count.
  11. ban
    +2
    5 October 2023 10: 17
    As a result, the Egyptian troops, which had penetrated the Sinai Peninsula with the forces of the 2nd and 3rd armies at 15–20 km, stopped on October 9–13. The Arabs began to gain a foothold in the occupied territories, instead of developing an offensive, not allowing the enemy to come to his senses.


    Or maybe they couldn’t get out from under the umbrella of the air defense systems deployed on the western bank of the Suez Canal?
    After all, there were attempts to advance further, but they ended in the complete defeat of the advancing Arabs
  12. -2
    5 October 2023 10: 49
    "Egyptian troops are landing"
    I read Stadnyuk’s story: “A Man with a Gun,” the Germans in June 1941 landed paratroopers-saboteurs in our rear. They sowed panic: “surrounded” them, killed liaison officers, and thus achieved success.
    Such tactics brought success if there was no strong-willed commander on the ground to lead the defense and overcome panic
  13. -3
    5 October 2023 13: 15
    Quote: SovAr238A
    Do you really think that before the British partitioned the territories of Palestine, there were no Jews there at that time?

    No, we believe that it is necessary to call to account the people responsible for the genocide and holocaust of the Samaritans, Philistines and Edomites.
  14. -4
    5 October 2023 13: 16
    Quote: Amateur
    Do you think that the Egyptians will theoretically be able to “stop being corrupt, cowardly and handy”? Hardly.

    yeah, and that’s why the Russian Federation supplies them with grain for free...
    1. +1
      5 October 2023 17: 24
      Quote: Foma Kinyaev
      yeah, and that’s why the Russian Federation supplies them with grain for free..

      Not free. Egypt recently canceled a contract for the supply of grain due to attempts to increase the price. And bought it elsewhere
  15. -1
    5 October 2023 16: 16
    In his famous work, Gorky has the phrase “the petrel soars proudly.”
    At that time, a converted version was popular among the people - “Golda Meir Petrel”.
  16. +2
    6 October 2023 13: 28
    Well, for today... Israel has just achieved its goal. So it was not in vain that this war was fought.
  17. IC
    +2
    11 October 2023 23: 12
    It must be admitted that Israel fought not only with Egypt and Syria, but also with the USSR.
    But as a result, the USSR's policy in this region collapsed after the vector of Egypt's policy changed towards the United States.
  18. 0
    13 October 2023 19: 08
    Israeli society took this war hard. The Yom Kippur War showed that you can lose an entire country in an instant. The Jews were looking for mistakes, experiencing the failure of the military-political leadership. In 1974, amid a wave of protests unprecedented at that time, the government of Golda Meir resigned.


    And only a disgrace and a traitor to the Armenian people, an agent of foreign intelligence services under the pseudonym “Editor” Pashinyan is still in the prime minister’s chair
    1. +1
      18 January 2024 21: 09
      Quote: ButchCassidy
      Israeli society took this war hard. The Yom Kippur War showed that you can lose an entire country in an instant. The Jews were looking for mistakes, experiencing the failure of the military-political leadership. In 1974, amid a wave of protests unprecedented at that time, the government of Golda Meir resigned.


      And only a disgrace and a traitor to the Armenian people, an agent of foreign intelligence services under the pseudonym “Editor” Pashinyan is still in the prime minister’s chair

      Is the Prime Minister twice democratically elected by the Armenian people a “shame and a traitor”? What the hell are you talking about? Maybe something is wrong with the electorate?
    2. 0
      18 January 2024 21: 09
      Quote: ButchCassidy


      And only a disgrace and a traitor to the Armenian people, an agent of foreign intelligence services under the pseudonym “Editor” Pashinyan is still in the prime minister’s chair

      Is the Prime Minister twice democratically elected by the Armenian people a “shame and a traitor”? What the hell are you talking about? Maybe something is wrong with the electorate?
  19. +1
    25 January 2024 18: 04
    Quote: Pushkar
    Quote: ButchCassidy


    And only a disgrace and a traitor to the Armenian people, an agent of foreign intelligence services under the pseudonym “Editor” Pashinyan is still in the prime minister’s chair

    Is the Prime Minister twice democratically elected by the Armenian people a “shame and a traitor”? What the hell are you talking about? Maybe something is wrong with the electorate?

    The main thing is how to count, not how to vote... The phrase is attributed to Stalin