The Snake Island issue must be closed firmly, defiantly and definitively

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The Snake Island issue must be closed firmly, defiantly and definitively
Spoiler: no, we are not talking about the use of nuclear weapons


The island "Snake" in the course of the special military operation (SVO) in the literal and figurative sense is a "stumbling block" between Russia and Ukraine. At the beginning of the NMD, he was taken under the control of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (RF Armed Forces). Then, after Western countries began to supply Ukraine with high-precision long-range weapons, in particular Excalibur guided artillery shells of 155 mm caliber with a firing range of up to 60 kilometers, it became problematic to hold the Snake Island of the RF Armed Forces.



All these vicissitudes were previously discussed in the material Why did the Russian armed forces leave Zmeiny Island, how justified is it, is it a defeat or not. It can be assumed that with the withdrawal of the RF Armed Forces, Zmeiny Island and its coastal zone could be mined so that the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) would bleed the entire Black Sea before they could settle on this piece of land.

However, apparently, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are present on Zmeiny Island, at least periodically, as evidenced by the strikes inflicted by the RF Armed Forces on the island from time to time. Also, with a high probability, the Armed Forces of Ukraine use Zmeiny Island for military purposes, including for attacks by Russian military and civilian shipsand attacks on Russian infrastructure.

All this raises vital questions about why the Ukrainian Armed Forces can hold (albeit partially) Snake Island and how to change this?

Reasons for persistence


The reasons why the Ukrainian Armed Forces can hold Zmeiny Island are quite simple.

The problem is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine can fire on Zmeiny Island, both with high-precision guided and relatively inexpensive unguided projectiles of cannon artillery systems and multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS).

Given the small area of ​​Zmeiny Island, this leaves almost no chance for the RF Armed Forces, since there is nowhere to hide on it, and it is almost impossible to intercept all the launched shells, especially 155 mm artillery ones. That is, sacrifices and losses are inevitable. And this piece of stone is clearly not worth the lives of our fighters.


The American high-precision artillery shells M982 Excalibur of 155 mm caliber available to the Armed Forces of Ukraine easily reach Snake Island, and it is difficult to intercept them

On the other hand, the Russian Armed Forces cannot reach Zmeiny Island with artillery and MLRS, all that remains is to strike with long-range precision weapons, aviation or ships of the Naval fleet (Navy) RF. Each of these methods of influence has its drawbacks.

Long-range precision weapons are too expensive, which means there will never be enough of them to shoot at a rock at sea.

Air strikes - in fact, this is exactly what the RF Armed Forces carry out, however, these actions also carry certain risks. In the event of an attack by unguided weapons, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can attack aircraft and / or helicopters of the Russian Air Force (VVS) using man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS).

An attack with guided weapons will require the aircraft or helicopter to fly higher in order to provide the necessary visual range of the radar station (radar) or electro-optical station (OES). And against planes or helicopters located at high altitudes, the Ukrainian Armed Forces can use ambush tactics using Patriot air defense systems, as they did at the border, ensuring the defeat of Russian aviation over Russian territory.

As for the ships of the Russian Navy, we have already talked about the disadvantages of using high-precision weapons, and attacking Zmeiny Island with artillery weapons is quite risky, since it will take some time to guarantee coverage of the island, during which the ships of the Russian Navy can be attacked by Ukrainian anti-ship missiles (ASMs) .

Do not forget that the sky over the Black Sea is tightly controlled by reconnaissance manned aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) of NATO, which warn the Armed Forces of Ukraine in advance of the approach of Russian ships and aircraft.


American strategic reconnaissance UAVs RQ-4 Global Hawk are constantly "hanging around" over the Black Sea - why not highlight them with BLK "Peresvet"?

What other options do we have?

In general, there are not so many of them.

Constantly chasing the Armed Forces of Ukraine from Snake Island is too costly and carries unnecessary risks. It is necessary to expel the Armed Forces of Ukraine from there “high-quality” once, after which they still mine the “Snake” island so that any attempt to stay on it becomes synonymous with suicide, and at the same time send an unambiguous message to their owners from NATO countries, to show what consequences will sooner or late will bring this conflict.

Purification


There is a possibility of striking the Zmeiny Island with a conventional munition, the power of which will be comparable to a tactical nuclear munition.

Such a warhead cannot fit in a missile or UAV, but it is quite possible to use a ship ready for decommissioning with a deadweight of 2/000/5 tons, equipped with an automatic control system. For those who do not understand - 000/10/000 tons - this is the possibility of placing explosives on the indicated vessel with the equivalent of approximately 2/000/5 thousand tons (kilotons) of TNT, that is, the creation of a conventional ammunition comparable in its power to at least with tactical nuclear weapons.

It is quite possible to make such an improvised ammunition of increased power - there are many thousands of ships for conversion in the world. The selected vessel will not require a complex control system - the command at a given distance from the target will bring the power plant to maximum, after which it will leave the ship, and the control system will simply adjust the course before colliding with the island using GLONASS signals and/or a radio channel.


Example of a cargo ship of about 3 DWT

Previously, the use of obsolete ships as a conventional weapon of increased power has already been considered in the article Operation "Baltic Ballet".

As a warhead, decommissioned ammunition with an expired service life intended for destruction can be used. Of course, for their simultaneous detonation, a special detonation system must be placed on the ship, perhaps it will become the most complex structural element - we will return to the topic of using expired ammunition for the manufacture of combat units of increased power.

The command to undermine should be given remotely after a collision with Zmeiny Island or when passing at a minimum distance from it.

The question arises, if, as we said earlier, Russian ships near Zmeiny Island can be attacked by Ukrainian anti-ship missiles, then how can we bring our "fireship" to the island?

This problem can potentially be solved by a combination of technical measures and application tactics.

Firstly, it is possible to increase the draft of a ship full of explosives, while ensuring its tightness to the maximum to minimize the likelihood of seawater flooding. This will not only reduce the radar and visual visibility of the vessel, but will also complicate its destruction of anti-ship missiles.

Secondly, visibility can be additionally reduced by dismantling some of the superstructures, perhaps most of them, as well as the use of radar-absorbing materials.

Thirdly, it is unlikely that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are constantly sitting on the shore with anti-ship missiles "in their hands" - so it is possible to become a target for the Russian Air Force itself, most likely, they deploy anti-ship missiles only when they receive information from aircraft and reconnaissance UAVs of NATO countries about the approach of the Russian military ships. And this means that NATO intelligence may well miss an incomprehensible "barge", which will suddenly change course outside the range of Ukrainian anti-ship missiles and go at full speed to Serpent Island. Until they figure it out, until they contact the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and there is already a boom.


The explosion of the Ukrainian ammunition depot in Khmelnytsky, how many of them were there - several hundred tons?

Aftermath


What will the use of a conventional munition with a capacity of several kilotons of TNT equivalent against the Zmeiny Island lead to?

With a high probability, all living things on the island will be completely destroyed, of course, if the Ukrainians have not yet hollowed out a bunker several tens of meters deep there. All structures on the surface will be destroyed, weapons and ammunition will be destroyed. In a sense, the island will be sterilized.

After the detonation, while the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not come to their senses, a sabotage and reconnaissance group (DRG) can be landed on Snake Island, which will carry out mining of the area with mine-explosive means for various purposes, that is, it will do what had to be done even before the “goodwill gesture” - will install radio-controlled landmines, pressure mines, "frogs", "petals" and other things that are in abundance in the supply of the RF Armed Forces.

However, the cleansing of Snake Island from the Armed Forces of Ukraine is not the main thing. The explosion of a conventional munition, comparable in power to a nuclear one, will clearly be noticed by Western countries, especially those who are closer. There is no doubt that immediately after the use of such weapons, when the needles on sensitive seismic sensors falter, many will have the assumption that Russia used tactical nuclear weapons. The absence of radioactive contamination will quickly prove that this is not so, but this chill on the back, which insolent Western politicians and the military will feel, will remain.

In addition, the fact of the use of such weapons will make it possible in the future to implement potentially promising tactical scenarios, which will be based on the unfortunate experience gained by the enemy.

Considering the possibility of using such weapons against Ukraine, one should not forget that Ukraine can implement something similar. They have all the means for this, neither the Armed Forces of Ukraine, nor the SBU, nor the GUR will stand on ceremony and reflect. It is easy to imagine the consequences of detonating such ammunition near the Crimean bridge or the Russian naval base, and the experience of shelling Russian (and Ukrainian) peaceful cities by the Armed Forces of Ukraine suggests that they will not hesitate to attack coastal settlements.

It is possible that such solutions are already being worked out in Ukraine, after all, the entire intellectual potential of the armed forces and intelligence structures of the NATO bloc is now working on them.

In this war, we lack toughness - sometimes there is a feeling that we are still ready for negotiations, concessions, resumption of deals, and so on and so forth.

The problem is that, on the other hand, they are not preparing for any concessions and negotiations, but are planning more and more tough and decisive actions to achieve a “win”. I would like to hope that someday we will come to this.
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  1. +6
    7 September 2023 05: 08
    To begin with, I propose to refresh my memory (from 1:49):

    Now about Snake Island.
    If we talk about some kind of "fireships", then it should be noted that the Moskva RK (by the way, was Vanga talking about him when she predicted that Moscow, and not Kursk, would go under water) was much more maneuverable than a barge , stuffed with TNT, but did not "catch". Where is the guarantee that in the circles of the Moscow Region there is no “waiting” or some other compassionate lad (girl) who can leak information, as a result of which the barge simply will not reach this island?
    So this island, if it has become a thorn in the side and is the most suitable target for Russian tactical nuclear weapons.
    Snake Island is located about 35 kilometers east of the mainland coast at the latitude of the Danube Delta. It has a cruciform shape, the area is 20,5 hectares; the distance between the extreme points is 615 and 560 meters. The nearest settlement on the coast is the Romanian city of Sulina.

    You can launch "Iskander", "Caliber" with a special warhead. Let the gentlemen of the partners see how it actually works, this is tactical nuclear weapons.
    * * *
    Well, you can flatter yourself with hopes and advocate the power of conventional weapons.
    A coward doesn't play hockey... And not only...
    It's time to decide on both the West and Ukraine, and not to bear impossible ideas about bloodless denazification and demilitarization ... Do not glorify the country with idle talk ...
    In this war, we lack toughness - sometimes there is a feeling that we are still ready for negotiations, concessions, resumption of transactions, and so on and so forth.

    Sometimes there is a feeling of Overton windows - we are slowly being led to the need for negotiations with the Nazis, to concessions and resumption of deals with "partners" in order to obtain benefits for a certain part of Russian society, which was formed in the late 90s and early 2000s ...
    1. 0
      7 September 2023 10: 28
      Which is reminiscent of the story of Father Damansky. The guys died defending the territory of the Motherland.
      And then they gave / gave away, there are only stones ...
      To declare the island a reserve - "to parachute" (for example, in balloons) the most poisonous asps.
      And there it will be seen ...
      1. +2
        7 September 2023 21: 52
        Maybe it's easier to carry out remote mining? Throw cassettes with mines only without a self-destructor. Possibly from the same turntables. Or land sappers and normally mine everything that is possible. Plus a couple of radio-controlled landmines. And let them climb. If they are densely mined, they will take a year to clear the mines. Something will be blown up by shelling, but obviously not much. Especially if the mines are dug into the ground.
        1. +1
          8 September 2023 09: 16
          Quote: g1v2
          Maybe it's easier to carry out remote mining? Throw cassettes with mines only without a self-destructor. Possibly from the same turntables. Or land sappers and normally mine everything that is possible. Plus a couple of radio-controlled landmines. And let them climb. If they are densely mined, they will take a year to clear the mines. Something will be blown up by shelling, but obviously not much. Especially if the mines are dug into the ground.

          To mine, you need to drive a transport with mines, and their radars will be detected and they will immediately begin to fire. And how do you propose to bury mines in the rocks? Under fire
      2. -1
        8 September 2023 14: 30
        “Which reminds me of the story with Father Damansky”
        not even close! damansky is a border, and serpentine is just a stone in the water
    2. +8
      7 September 2023 10: 31
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Sometimes there is a feeling of Overton windows - we are slowly being led to the need to negotiate with the Nazis,

      It is rightly said that if Russia goes to negotiations, the US and the West will declare that they have won this war.
      1. +3
        8 September 2023 15: 17
        But Russia didn’t go to negotiations? It seems to me that I went more than once, right from February 24, 2022
    3. +9
      7 September 2023 15: 47
      Quote: ROSS 42
      You can launch "Iskander", "Caliber" with a special warhead. Let the gentlemen of the partners see how it actually works, this is tactical nuclear weapons.

      Russia should not consider options for using nuclear weapons against Ukraine at all. It won't lead to anything good.
      But everyone should understand that in the case envisaged by our nuclear doctrine, the US and Europe will be struck. Otherwise, we say that NATO provokes a nuclear war with its actions in Ukraine, the Americans pretend that they do not understand and say that if Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine, then the United States will respond to this and blah blah blah. American inhabitants think - oh, America is cool, we will punish these Russian followers of Saddam! Our most aggressive citizens, sometimes even referred to as military experts, are starting to draw pictures of the use of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine... No, no, and again no, we cannot use neither tactical nuclear weapons nor other nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
      It is necessary that American and European inhabitants clearly understand that the threat of nuclear war is not a small bomb on Ukraine, but a full-fledged nuclear strike on NATO countries as a result of an uncontrolled escalation of hostilities between NATO and Russia in Ukraine. This should be voiced by someone from the top leadership of Russia and voiced in the form of a plausible (not necessarily corresponding to real plans) scenario of such a strike. And, there is a good experience, such a scenario should be presented in the form of a cartoon video, clearly demonstrating what awaits Europe and the United States with Canada. This will be toughness, and not cauterization of an unfortunate piece of land in the Black Sea.
      1. +2
        8 September 2023 09: 58
        Why doesn’t our nuclear doctrine do this? And no one saw the cartoons from the video of the nuclear explosion? Again, this will simply be a message of possible intent. And when and how exactly they will be (and whether) will be implemented is not clear. Just another red line, with incomprehensible landmarks. Which no longer scare anyone. I, too, rather against TNW in Ukraine. But your option, excuse me, is a dummy
        1. +2
          8 September 2023 10: 15
          I would rather think not about tactical nuclear weapons, and not about Ukraine. And about a regular strike on one of the allies, through whose territory arms supplies to Ukraine take place. First, officially declare that such and such a country, by providing its territory or supplying its military equipment to Ukraine, is actually participating in hostilities against us. In the event of another delivery, we, without under any circumstances declaring war on this country, believe we have the right to launch a pre-emptive strike on its territory in order to destroy the weapons being prepared for delivery. And, if the warning is ignored, this blow can actually be delivered. I am sure that Article 5 of the NATO Charter will not be activated in this case. But there will also be no continuation of supplies through the territory of this country. You can choose Romania and Slovakia as the first candidates (supplies do not seem to go through Hungary). An example is Israeli strikes on Lebanon and Syria, which were actually aimed at Iran.
          1. +2
            8 September 2023 16: 52
            I believe that before striking the allies, it is necessary to strike at the arms supply routes inside Ukraine. Railway junctions, bridges, tunnels.
          2. 0
            11 September 2023 15: 00
            "First, officially declare that such and such a country, providing its territory or supplying its military equipment to Ukraine, is actually participating in hostilities against us." - Why make any statements? Are we making excuses to someone?
            Face the fact and that's it. After the nuclear bombing of Japan, many
            were there any statements?
            1. 0
              11 September 2023 15: 12
              The same should be done with NATO reconnaissance aircraft, since they fly over dangerous territories where hostilities are taking place, which means they can shoot down. Independent UAV or crewed. They provide information to the enemy, which means they are participating in the war. When
              we will have a commander who can give orders without fear of condemnation from abroad. True, our commander received a “black mark” from the ICC, so he became quiet.
              He doesn’t go anywhere, instead of destroying this ICC, as an edification to others, so that
              they did not dare to touch the heads of state, not according to their level. Hmmm, I won’t vote for him anymore - I’ve worked myself out.
        2. 0
          11 September 2023 23: 00
          Quote: Berezin
          Why doesn’t our nuclear doctrine do this?

          Who read it, especially in the USA or France?
          Quote: Berezin
          And no one has seen cartoons with videos of a nuclear explosion?

          Well, if you have such a primitive attitude towards propaganda, then it’s better not to spend money on cartoons.
          Quote: Berezin
          But your option, excuse me, is a dummy

          They also talked about famous cartoons - science fiction that contradicts the laws of physics. And nothing, at least the supersonic dagger turned out to be a reality. So the scenes where it will be shown which cities and in what order will disappear are guaranteed, with background information and statistical calculations with comments from one of the officials, and even that D.A.M., if more serious people do not want to look so bloodthirsty - will make the right impression on the Western public. If, of course, it is possible to convey this information to him.
          Quote: Berezin
          Just another red line, with unclear landmarks. Which no longer scares anyone.

          This is a serious problem, but it can be solved...
      2. 0
        8 September 2023 15: 21
        Cartoons and graphics with a nuclear strike on the United States are beautifully shot by the Americans themselves.
        1. 0
          11 September 2023 23: 03
          Quote from alexoff
          Cartoons and graphics with a nuclear strike on the United States are beautifully shot by the Americans themselves.

          Yes, this is something like horror films, I left the cinema and forgot.
    4. -3
      7 September 2023 17: 36
      I support a nuclear strike on the island, although I cannot understand what use this island has other than propaganda. If ours had landed troops on the shore, then yes, there would have been some sense. And a nuclear strike is 5 to one hundred to three hundred kilotons. meters from the surface of the island would disinfect it, creating a weak radioactive contamination that would disappear over time. I don’t currently see a military need for this, but it would scare NATO and be a warning.
      1. +1
        9 September 2023 09: 19
        The article is as good as its own and in this format.
        What should you do “when your hand gets stuck in a hole”? '

        Liberate the coast, slow-witted people
  2. +12
    7 September 2023 05: 18
    Into dust, not only Serpentine, but also other disputed territories ..
    "These lousy emigrants need to be shown who's boss in California.
    “If we don’t teach the blood of those who want to live here, we will become like rotten Europe” (c).
    1. AAK
      +30
      7 September 2023 11: 19
      There is absolutely no need to spend 3-5-10 thousand tons. ammunition and explosives for fireworks near Serpentine, if anyone understands serious pyrotechnics, they will understand where absolutely most of the energy of the blast wave will go ... the Serpentine problem is solved by itself when the territories of the Nikolaev and Odessa regions are excluded from the former Ukrainian SSR ... everything the rest, incl. and this article about “weapons of retaliation” is brutal trash....
      1. +5
        7 September 2023 12: 57
        Quote: AAK
        incl. and this article about the "weapon of retaliation" is a fierce trash ....

        There is no point in arguing.
  3. +24
    7 September 2023 05: 35
    And who will use this weapon? Tinsmiths of "good will" or something. Don't make footcloths laugh, having spent a year in boots. Hucksters, traders and cowards will not dare to do this from the word "never".
    1. +23
      7 September 2023 06: 15
      That's interesting. Who is "we" lacking toughness? Fighters on the front line? Or hard workers in factories? Russian citizens, who are credited for the most I can’t and live, by no means in paradise. But stubbornly pushing "to paradise" by the rulers and "lake cooperators" ?
      1. +2
        7 September 2023 10: 21
        And what do you think?
        Rigidity is not enough for the patriots sitting on the sofas. For those who knead shit THERE, these questions are not interesting. For those who, supposedly, should apply - even more so. So in this place you can calm down .... The only thing that depresses is that pedaling by characters like those other than the famous owner of the duck house is somewhat annoying ......
  4. +8
    7 September 2023 05: 52

    For the danger of overloading the vessel, the importance of its correct placement and securing according to the diagrams and plans for the location of the cargo, the navigator of the merchant fleet (they are present on the VO) will explain how the overload affects the course of the vessel, the load on the machines and the shaft-line of the propeller (propellers) - mechanics .
    Swelling at sea and low speed, low maneuverability - the risks of flooding the ship and being hit by enemy anti-ship weapons.

    In the photo you (the author) cited, the ship is empty, without ballast. By cutting the cabin, reduce visibility? The point is to sculpt "radio-absorbing materials" ...
    Until this "fireship" reaches the island, if they don't drown it at the crossing earlier, then they will definitely already be "waiting on the shore with anti-ship missiles in their hands".

    After the detonation, while the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not come to their senses, a sabotage and reconnaissance group (DRG) can be landed on Snake Island, which will carry out mining of the area with mine-explosive means for various purposes, that is, it will do what had to be done even before the “goodwill gesture” - will install radio-controlled landmines, pressure mines, "frogs", "petals" and other things that are in abundance in the supply of the RF Armed Forces.

    An operation for such mining is not a cavalry attack, it requires a sea crossing, delivery of goods (VU), unloading, organization of work on their setting, hidden installation and camouflage of VU are required, but remote mining systems should not be used (still need to be delivered).
    Such events will not take a couple of hours, but an engineering unit with a VU on the island will just be like the crew of the "fireship" you declared, only at gunpoint x @ hlov ...

    Then, for sure, slap a "Poseidon", at the same time check its power in TNT equivalent, as conventional ammunition can be expressed, in other words, loaded with traditional ammo.
    1. +26
      7 September 2023 07: 10
      neighing .. well, do not seriously discuss it. even this bucket of 5 thousandth to send on the last journey will not be cheap. disperse up to 10-12 knots and how to tick from it?
      the sailors were cheered up)) let's better dream about the old plane ..
      1. +10
        7 September 2023 08: 51
        Quote from Sadam2

        the sailors were cheered up)) let's better dream about the old plane ..

        what Let's... make the aviators smile... the submarine sailors... let's not forget the strategists from the Strategic Missile Forces. wink
        Anecdote:
        Dad, how long is it to fly to America?
        - About twenty minutes, son.
        Mom from the kitchen:
        - He’s asking you about the plane, and not about your Topols!
      2. 0
        7 September 2023 10: 36
        Quote from Sadam2
        disperse up to 10-12 knots and how to tick from it?

        Elementarily simple, as always.
      3. 0
        9 September 2023 07: 48
        “Maybe it’s better about the reactor,
        About your favorite lunar tractor......" laughing
    2. -5
      7 September 2023 10: 18
      slap a "Poseidon", at the same time check its power in TNT equivalent, as conventional ammunition can be expressed, in other words, loaded with traditional ammo

      The thought is valuable. Now, if everything is as described by the Author, but only in an underwater version. A decommissioned diesel engine will do just fine.
    3. -2
      7 September 2023 10: 34
      Quote: Lynx2000
      the navigator of the merchant fleet (they are present on the VO) will explain how overload affects the course of the vessel, the load on the machines and the shaft-line of the propeller (propellers) - mechanics.

      Yes, everything is fine, the shoulder is not long and will not sink, but the car does not care for her - the last flight will do a good deed.
  5. +2
    7 September 2023 06: 02
    How many thousands of people should be part of the DRG, and with what cargo, in order to tightly mine the island, "until the Armed Forces of Ukraine come to their senses"?
  6. +22
    7 September 2023 06: 06
    Odessa must be taken with Nikolaev. That's it... Serpentine's problem will solve itself
    1. +8
      7 September 2023 06: 17
      Well, you have to. The question is, how? With the available forces? This requires the entire grouping of the RF Armed Forces, which is fighting in four regions, and with difficulty holding back the offensive of the Vushniks near Zaporozhye. Look at the map and you will understand that this is unrealistic. the same grouping. In 1944, an offensive was carried out not only on Odessa, for example, but also the destruction of the Nazis was more powerful
      1. +32
        7 September 2023 08: 01
        Will you blow up the Snake, will Odessa and Nikolaev fall? Can you explain the expediency of destroying the Snake?
        1. +22
          7 September 2023 08: 18
          Will you blow up the Snake, will Odessa and Nikolaev fall? Can you explain the expediency of destroying the Snake?
          Nothing surprising, in the fall there are exacerbations of mental disorders. laughing According to official statistics in the Russian Federation today there are 14 million schizophrenics.
          According to the WHO, in Russia the number of patients in need of psychiatric or psychological assistance is about 14 million people (10% of the population).
          The Ministry of Health of Russia has its own official statistics. Over the past 23 years, the peak in the number of patients was observed in 2005 (4 people), the lowest figure was in 223 - 694. In 1995, 3 were registered, in 712 - 722 2017 (number of those who applied to neuropsychiatric organizations).
          1. +18
            7 September 2023 08: 24
            Nothing surprising, in the fall there are exacerbations of mental disorders.
            Apparently so, no one understands why to do this, but they happily discuss how .. Yeah, "The triangle will be drunk" (c) laughing
            1. +5
              7 September 2023 08: 29
              "The triangle will be drunk" (c)
              Namely, I will paraphrase the words of V.S. Vysotsky:
              instead of eating, washing, pricking and forgetting, the whole crazy hospital got into the Internet
              laughing
              1. +11
                7 September 2023 08: 51
                Yeah, yeah, and if you continue: “He said, wringing his hands, a bully and a troublemaker about the powerlessness of science before the mystery of Bermuda. He broke all the brains into pieces, braided all the convolutions - And the rope authorities inject us with a second injection” (c). That’s for sure, oh today's article. Is this really how autumn affects you? laughing
                1. +6
                  7 September 2023 09: 06
                  Is this really how autumn affects us?
                  Yes, the worst thing is that autumn has just begun. laughing
                  The examiner arranges distribution to the medical staff of the psychiatric hospital.
                  - Napoleon from the 7th ward gathered an army. There is already a whole militia from the 11th chamber under the banners of Kutuzov! Why don't you take action? You don't know what should happen next?
                  - We know. It's so boring here...
                  1. +3
                    7 September 2023 09: 08
                    - We know. It's so boring here...
                    laughing good And autumn has just begun...
                    1. +4
                      7 September 2023 09: 32
                      And autumn has just begun...
                      Продолжение следует ...
                      1. +5
                        7 September 2023 09: 45
                        Продолжение следует ...
                        Yeah, October, November, still ahead...Oh, how many wonderful discoveries the Mitrofan spirit is preparing for us...
      2. 0
        8 September 2023 15: 45
        Likewise, the enemy’s army is concentrated in 4 regions, the length of the front line after regroupings has not become much shorter
    2. +1
      8 September 2023 14: 37
      "Odessa must be taken with Nikolaev"
      I agree with you! But with a snake, what's the problem? who and how does he interfere or threaten?
  7. 0
    7 September 2023 06: 26
    The problem is that, on the other hand, they are not preparing for any concessions and negotiations, but are planning more and more tough and decisive actions to achieve a “win”. I would like to hope that someday we will come to this.

    we won’t come, the puppets are given other instructions: to chat, tell lies, arrange concerts / festivals and summits, replace the indigenous population
  8. +5
    7 September 2023 07: 13
    The intelligence services of several dozen countries are following the actions very closely, that's when this miracle Brander will be blown up in the bay of Sevostopol. That will be fun for Khokhlam. (And it’s not a fact that the Ukrainians, and not themselves, when transporting all this arsenal that has expired) Once the city will blow away. wassat

    If you think that they will guess to carry out all this dangerous work in the distance, then remember the genius of commanders and leaders at all levels. As well as their sale am
  9. -4
    7 September 2023 07: 32
    The explosion of a conventional munition, comparable in power to a nuclear one, will clearly be noticed by Western countries, especially those who are closer. There is no doubt that immediately after the use of such weapons, when the needles on sensitive seismic sensors falter, many will have the assumption that Russia used tactical nuclear weapons. The absence of radioactive contamination will quickly prove that this is not so, but this chill on the back, which insolent Western politicians and the military will feel, will remain.

    Yes, but between a spike on a seismograph tape and a clean radiation test, senile Joe will get a full diaper in excitement, and that might push him to press the red button. And as a result, there will be no winners.
    1. 0
      7 September 2023 11: 17
      Quote: Nagan
      The explosion of a conventional munition, comparable in power to a nuclear one, will clearly be noticed by Western countries, especially those who are closer. There is no doubt that immediately after the use of such weapons, when the needles on sensitive seismic sensors falter, many will have the assumption that Russia used tactical nuclear weapons. The absence of radioactive contamination will quickly prove that this is not so, but this chill on the back, which insolent Western politicians and the military will feel, will remain.

      Yes, but between a spike on a seismograph tape and a clean radiation test, senile Joe will get a full diaper in excitement, and that might push him to press the red button. And as a result, there will be no winners.

      You're wrong. He won't understand anything. And most likely no one will bother the veteran over such trifles.
  10. +31
    7 September 2023 07: 35
    You can see the bird in flight, and the author in terms of content. Another portion of Mitrofanovism - senseless and merciless.
    The author has not yet bothered to find out that there is nothing else on the Serpent's Island except for the Ukrainian flag. And no personnel either. The stay of any contingent there today is devoid of any meaning.
    Accordingly, the author's plan is grandiose both in scale and in stupidity.
    1. +14
      7 September 2023 08: 03
      Another portion of Mitrofanovism - senseless and merciless.
      Yes, this is not a portion .. There are several hundred portions. laughing
    2. -3
      7 September 2023 10: 26
      slap a "Poseidon", at the same time check its power in TNT equivalent, as conventional ammunition can be expressed, in other words, loaded with traditional ammo

      I wonder if such an explosion in Chernomorsk or Reni will give any political result? In fact, this can be considered as a dress rehearsal, with the study of the response.
    3. 0
      7 September 2023 11: 12
      Quote from Frettaskyrandi
      You can see the bird in flight, and the author in terms of content. Another portion of Mitrofanovism - senseless and merciless.
      The author has not yet bothered to find out that there is nothing else on the Serpent's Island except for the Ukrainian flag. And no personnel either. The stay of any contingent there today is devoid of any meaning.
      Accordingly, the author's plan is grandiose both in scale and in stupidity.

      You are not right. I’m not talking about Mitrofanovschina, but about “there is nothing on the island.” It probably has equipment. Some UAV control antennas, radio reconnaissance and electronic warfare systems. Of course, not advanced systems, but some kind of civilian consumer goods or scrap metal, but even that will be useful in case of bad weather or when there is a change of AWACS. In the end, no one bothers to put a couple of Stugnas on the Island, powered by diesel generators with a solarium barrel. They can provide close-in anti-landing defense zones.
      1. +1
        7 September 2023 12: 34
        It certainly has equipment.

        Such reasoning is Mitrofanovism in its purest form. This is according to the people. Scientifically speaking, delirium. The island is visible from space literally through and through.

        1. -4
          7 September 2023 13: 54
          Quote from Frettaskyrandi
          It certainly has equipment.

          Such reasoning is Mitrofanovism in its purest form. This is according to the people. Scientifically speaking, delirium. The island is visible from space literally through and through.


          AND? Even with such a resolution, you are unlikely to be able to see the camouflaged Stugna or a 3-5 meter antenna on the island.
          1. 0
            7 September 2023 14: 12
            For God's sake. I would like you to believe in the "disguised" Stugna "- believe. People don't believe in that either.
          2. +1
            8 September 2023 01: 30
            Why is there an ATGM on the island?
            Like the BMP-1 swam to take the island and the ATGM would come in handy?
            A large ship doesn’t really care about ATGMs (it’s afraid of big missiles).

            A small boat like a boat has nothing to do there; just cut off supplies and the garrison will die out/surrender.
      2. 0
        8 September 2023 14: 50
        "You are wrong. I'm not talking about Mitrofanovshchina, but about "there is nothing on the island"
        there is nothing there.
        "in the end, no one is stopping you from putting a couple of Stugnas on the Island, powered by diesel generators with a barrel of diesel fuel"
        stugna is an ATGM, and she doesn’t need a solarium at all, and she has nothing to do on the island laughing
  11. +17
    7 September 2023 07: 58
    laughing Explain why destroy Snake Island. What is the purpose? What would just not be? laughing "So don't get it, you're not to anyone!" (c)? Madness..mmm..lan,brave..we write comments laughing
    1. -4
      7 September 2023 08: 22
      That's just the point, what for. Especially since Russia withdrew from the grain deal.
      1. +9
        7 September 2023 08: 30
        Especially since Russia withdrew from the grain deal.
        For it? Kind of revenge? I take revenge and my revenge is terrible (c)? laughing
  12. -1
    7 September 2023 08: 01
    Well, there are examples. Let's say - on Heligoland in 1947 the most powerful non-nuclear explosion in history was made, 6700 tons of various ammunition shied at once. And before that, in April of the 45th, the insolent people bombed 7000 bombs on it. They say that the island was plowed almost to the ground, no one lived there for 10 years ..
    1. +4
      7 September 2023 08: 27
      The Americans blew up Hiroshima from Nagasaki, and Japan capitulated, because the Soviet defeated the reserve, the Kwantung Army. Examples, yes there are .. Do you mean that bad examples are contagious?
      1. -3
        7 September 2023 11: 03
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        The Americans blew up Hiroshima from Nagasaki, and Japan capitulated, because the Soviet defeated the reserve, the Kwantung Army. Examples, yes there are .. Do you mean that bad examples are contagious?

        Another stupidity. Firstly, they did not defeat the Kwantung Army. Did not have time. The Japanese General Staff issued an order to surrender earlier.
        Secondly, the Kwantung Army by 1945 was more of an invalid team than a reserve. All more or less combat-ready units, including 4 tank divisions, were withdrawn to the defense of the Metropolis or battalion-like pulled apart to other fronts.
        1. +2
          7 September 2023 11: 51
          Another stupid thing.
          And don't talk, and you shouldn't have started. Yes, even promises to give.
    2. -5
      7 September 2023 08: 31
      And if, say, the explosion is underwater, it’s true that there’s no way to raise a big wave at a depth of about 50m, although if you blow up several charges at the same time, you can create a wave with a wide front and such a wave can do things, for example, in a port, but you shouldn’t even bother with the island.
      1. +6
        7 September 2023 08: 45
        such a wave can cause a lot of trouble, for example, in a port
        And Kyiv will capitulate and sign the capitulation? If so, then perhaps. Now explain how this will look technically? And what are the expected results. Is autumn really acting so acutely?
  13. +4
    7 September 2023 08: 46
    Putin will not go for it. Here is a new tax on Russians to introduce or a dozen or two fines for something, once again raise the retirement age, here he is acting decisively!
    1. +3
      7 September 2023 09: 11
      Putin will not do this.
      Can you at least explain why to destroy the Serpentine, as a target, what will it give?
      1. -7
        7 September 2023 09: 19
        Demonstration of strength and serious intentions without human casualties.
        1. 0
          7 September 2023 09: 40
          Do you think they will get scared and sign a capitulation?
          1. -5
            7 September 2023 11: 39
            No, they won't sign.
            You read on the Internet why this is done. I won’t write here, if you don’t understand obvious things, then it’s useless to try.
            1. 0
              7 September 2023 11: 46
              you don't understand obvious things
              Where can I understand. Autumn, does not work.
            2. -1
              8 September 2023 14: 59
              "You read on the Internet what it is for"
              what "is" being done?
      2. -1
        7 September 2023 18: 18
        For such a successful operation, commanders are worthy of promotion and receiving awards. The goal is well-known, the island is of great strategic importance, and such operations are conceived and carried out by people with an analytical mindset, able to think and analyze. Extremely timely article, well done author. And whether this island is needed or not is not so important, we will deal with this later.
      3. 0
        8 September 2023 19: 22
        There are tons of videos and photos on the Internet, everyone will be talking about it for a week.
    2. 0
      8 September 2023 14: 57
      "Putin will not agree to this"
      I really hope for it
  14. +3
    7 September 2023 08: 51
    Oh. this Mitrofanushka! Oh, this Mitrofanovism! ........................................................ ......................................
  15. +1
    7 September 2023 09: 02
    After reading this, I have one question - dementia and courage?
    1. +3
      7 September 2023 09: 41
      I think it’s neither one nor the other. That’s how autumn affects some people.
    2. +2
      8 September 2023 01: 26
      After reading this, I have one question - dementia and courage?

      There is no courage.
      Courage is to build a mega-nuclear power plant in Kaliningrad, transport ALL the spent fuel from the Russian Federation there, and also put an ammunition depot + 2 warheads there.
      So that all of Europe will shit if anything.

      First of all, it's beautiful.
      Secondly, you have to have the balls for this.
      And thirdly, even stupid people from the EU will not want to get involved with such a scumbag, even if the US pushes them. Well, except for the Poles, of course, they were completely repulsed.
      1. 0
        9 September 2023 01: 42
        I previously proposed transporting nuclear waste to the southernmost Kuril Island and then giving it to the Japanese. But this is also an option
    3. 0
      8 September 2023 15: 00
      "After reading, I have one question - dementia and courage?"
      More likely, just dementia. and autumn laughing
  16. +3
    7 September 2023 09: 58
    If you want every Russian ship going anywhere to be in danger of being fired upon and sunk after something so stupid, do it if you're that smart.
  17. +6
    7 September 2023 10: 01
    What's the point? The island will still remain.

    But there is even a chance to undermine such a shell ship in our port when loading, what the hell are such risks.
  18. +1
    7 September 2023 10: 04
    For what?? Well, the Ukrainians caught it, our "surprises", there are visits, from a military point of view, it's useless.
    Now, if the island would be in the same 35 km from the Crimea, especially from Sevastopol, then yes, it would be possible to take measures and so .. Take Odessa, the island will automatically be ours.
  19. +1
    7 September 2023 10: 22
    Quote: Not the fighter
    For what?? Well, the Ukrainians caught it, our "surprises", there are visits, from a military point of view, it's useless.
    Now, if the island would be in the same 35 km from the Crimea, especially from Sevastopol, then yes, it would be possible to take measures and so .. Take Odessa, the island will automatically be ours.

    Capture Odessa? Jokers. What will you take it with? Rafts and boats? In the beginning you had a chance. Never ever.
  20. +4
    7 September 2023 10: 26
    I liked the idea of ​​a chill on the back of Western politicians. Unfortunately, while the chill on the back of the Kremlin boys.
    The West can be frightened by going on the offensive, but the Kremlin will never go for it.
  21. +3
    7 September 2023 10: 29
    Why sculpt some kind of garden with these firewalls, which do not guarantee success at all? Wouldn't it be easier to put the RZSO Smerch on the same barge, with a package of corrected missiles, approach 100 km from the east and shoot the full package?
    It’s even easier to send a Su-34 squadron with a dozen UMPCs with FAB 500. Or is the 9M542 package too expensive? Or a dozen UMPCs and ancient FAB 500s?
    The funds have been around for a long time. There is no political will, as usual. Well, or really expediency 0.
    1. 0
      9 September 2023 01: 46
      Why is UMPC there? There is definitely no air defense there, there is hardly a patriot standing on the shore, you can throw ordinary cast iron there and not waste valuable guided weapons. Or you can fill it with napalm, it will probably be even cheaper
  22. +1
    7 September 2023 11: 24
    did not understand anything, so many letters ...
    but, if you don’t like the island and YOU want to bring “cleanliness and order” there, then who prevents you from regularly sending SU with controlled FAB / ODAB-1500 there?
    - with a declared affected area of ​​​​almost 2 km?
    MANPADS will not reach, there will be no air defense systems (by definition) - and the result is "obvious"
    what for to "fence" letters on several pages?
  23. +11
    7 September 2023 11: 58
    How many balabons - "strategs", such as this author, have surfaced at the present time. And you can finally take control of Avdiivka, a suburb of Donetsk, after almost 19 months of hostilities.
    1. +3
      7 September 2023 14: 16
      Quote: Churchill
      How many balabons - "strategs", such as this author, have surfaced at the present time. And you can finally take control of Avdiivka, a suburb of Donetsk, after almost 19 months of hostilities.

      People always tend to believe in the best. At the very least, hope for a miracle. And then another wundewaffe was invented (and at least occasionally, but such systems really turned out to be extremely useful), which will cause irreparable harm to the enemy. Well, at least the author wants to believe it, and in this way he tries to help our troops from the bottom of his heart. Another thing is that such an operation is not only useless, but also practically impossible, but the author tried.
  24. 0
    7 September 2023 15: 15
    Are OFAB over? Is it worth it to fence goroduli with the available weapons of sufficient power?
  25. +1
    7 September 2023 15: 49
    Again this island surrendered to someone.

    Both logically and from experience - a small flat island is viewed by UAVs and shot through from all sides. IMHO.
    Only the price of ammunition plays a role. Fit a barge with dynamite?
    And for what? Sweep the last ruins from it?

    It would be better if they showed the last photos - maybe there is nothing left there.

    And he will be impatient - again someone will sail up on a mini-boat at night and land, then sail away. Or the UAV will simply drop a package with equipment for a penny.
  26. -2
    7 September 2023 16: 58
    Surely someone treated the author to a trophy potion from the pre-potion’s office.
  27. -1
    7 September 2023 17: 54
    If we hit tactical nuclear weapons, then only at Kyiv. It will be very convincing. For example, it helped the Japanese a lot at one time.
    1. +1
      7 September 2023 19: 38
      What? Which of the SVO problems will this solve?
      Most Japanese did not even know about the special nature of the atomic bombings, and the emperor in a narrow circle called their results simply serious destruction.
      1. +2
        7 September 2023 21: 47
        Quote: Khariton
        What? Which of the SVO problems will this solve?

        Why do we need tactical nuclear weapons at all? What problem does it solve? Why did we spend so much money creating it, but we can’t use it because it’s absolutely useless? So what?
  28. -3
    7 September 2023 20: 08
    Tiao kick. But before that, an ultimatum - to leave the island. If they disappear - we don’t use them, no - 5 kilotons will solve everything.
    1. 0
      8 September 2023 20: 52
      TNW was created for guaranteed destruction of priority and well-defended targets in the front line in conditions of effective enemy air defense.
  29. 0
    7 September 2023 20: 48
    And I have a "childish" question: why? Will it have a tremendous effect on the enemy? In my opinion, no. Why waste energy and money on undermining the island (!)? Already funny. When the author suggested destroying bridges with decommissioned aircraft, it was clear why. And the island? He won't break! And the Bandera people are all the same, they don’t feel sorry for the “meat”. A new one will be brought to the island.
  30. +3
    7 September 2023 21: 04
    The idea put forward by the author is, to put it mildly, frivolous (very) from all points of view... winked
    ps but, as many rightly noted, this is a relevant “autumn” article and some (approving) comments on it! lol
  31. +1
    7 September 2023 21: 19
    The game is not worth the candle. After the liberation of the Odessa and Nikolaev regions, everything will be decided by itself
  32. 0
    7 September 2023 21: 27
    The island of Russia will still come in handy; the location is very advantageous.
  33. 0
    8 September 2023 01: 21
    It’s better to use a firecracker to demolish some bridge or dam and wash away Kyiv.
    And the island, but it doesn’t play a role, the main thing is to take Odessa/other things, and it’s already attached to this.
  34. -2
    8 September 2023 03: 54
    The main problem of tactical nuclear weapons is that the liberal-zaputintsy cheers "patriots" are much more afraid of the tactical nuclear weapons of the Russian Federation than Ukraine, NATO and the United States ... So they clearly do not have enough male characteristics to use it
    1. +5
      8 September 2023 13: 00
      By the way, aren’t you afraid that the situation with tactical nuclear weapons is the same as with uniforms a year ago) well, supposedly... on paper it is, but in reality. And somehow it’s not logical that with a drunk, when everything was distributed, destroyed, etc., but his nuclear weapons were left to us... illogical, don’t you think?)))
  35. +3
    8 September 2023 08: 49
    There was a chance to take Odessa and make our way to Transnistria at the beginning of the Northern Military District. BUT it turned out that neither the fleet, nor the army, nor the leadership were capable of such operations. Now idiotic articles about the island...
    1. +3
      8 September 2023 13: 01
      there was no chance and even ideas and tasks. There was an idea to scare and seat at the negotiating table) .. and nothing more.
  36. +3
    8 September 2023 09: 31
    Faberge is missing for this. And a dancer with bad fireworks will always lose.
  37. 0
    8 September 2023 10: 17
    The author got involved with the fire-ships.
    Probably ate the chavoy.
    What 1500 can do with UMPC, there is no need to invent entities and multiply nonsense.
  38. -3
    8 September 2023 12: 28
    In fact, using 10 thousand tons of TNT is a very expensive pleasure, especially in wartime, especially against Zmeiny Island, where it is unknown whether there is anyone at all. In the conditions of the Northern Military District, there is always a shortage of TNT and ammunition (both in the West and here), TNT is not mushrooms and does not grow on the ground. In such a situation, it is immeasurably cheaper to use a conventional tactical nuclear charge. The bomb dropped on Nagasaki contained several tons of TNT and several kg of plutonium. Compared to the option proposed by the author, this is mere pennies. In fact, the use of naval aviation is quite enough, which is what is happening (several Ukrainian Armed Forces boats with landing forces were recently sunk, naval drones are being destroyed), it is necessary to suppress any contacts about. Serpentine with the “mainland”, which, as we see, is quite real. To clear the island itself, you can use gliding bombs: FAB-500, FAB-1500. They can demolish everything from the island (and cheaply and cheerfully, and safely for our planes, because they will work from a distance), it’s simple, it’s not entirely clear: is such a tough purge necessary - are there any military personnel of the Ukrainian Armed Forces about Zmein.
  39. +1
    8 September 2023 12: 57
    this piece of rock was given to you. Or is the elbow close so as not to bite?
  40. +1
    8 September 2023 14: 28
    "Decommissioned ammunition with an expired service life, intended for destruction, can be used as a warhead........
    After the detonation, until the Ukrainian Armed Forces come to their senses, a sabotage and reconnaissance group (DRG) can be landed on Zmeiny Island, which will mine the area ...... install radio-controlled land mines, pressure-action mines, “frogs”, “petals”, etc. which is available in abundance in the supply of the RF Armed Forces.
    Author:
    Andrey Mitrofanov"
    one question - why? serpentine does not have no way[b][/b]o military significance. Why all these perversions?
  41. +1
    8 September 2023 15: 58
    We need to take the coast from Odessa to the Danube. Moreover, this task is inevitable for the Northern Military District. And the Serpentine problem will go away by itself. Without any tactical weapons. At the same time, the problem of the Transnistrian Sausage is being solved.
  42. +1
    8 September 2023 16: 02
    It's difficult how. And what, faith does not allow the use of ODAB, it is precisely equivalent to tactical nuclear weapons. Apparently it was in Kuzhugetovich’s bins.
  43. -2
    8 September 2023 18: 40
    It won’t work without nuclear weapons: you’ll have to use tactical nuclear weapons.
  44. -1
    8 September 2023 23: 08
    Don't touch this island. And there is no need for powerful explosions. Not up to him now.
  45. -1
    8 September 2023 23: 08
    Again?
    They took him and a lot of people died.
    Then they said we don’t need it.
    Should we start over again now?
    Come on, those who come up with these plans will go and take it?! hi
  46. 0
    8 September 2023 23: 38
    What are you talking about, comrades, is this piece of land of strategic importance? No, just PR.
  47. -1
    9 September 2023 07: 59
    Using a civilian vessel for this is not a good idea. I’m afraid then all Russian civilian ships in the World Cup will become a potential target. No need to open Pandora's Box
  48. -1
    12 September 2023 04: 13
    You just need to take it and strike the Snake Strike with tactical nuclear weapons on the island! To begin with, this will be tough and decisive actions on our part.
  49. 0
    12 September 2023 12: 17
    The author made a good point: *... lacks rigidity*. Where will the toughness come from if the army is controlled not by men, but by gay men. And politicians are not far behind them. Well, all together they think not with their heads, but in one place, you know where. So the RF Armed Forces and politicians do not have the same willpower as the Banderlogs.
  50. 0
    12 September 2023 12: 58
    ...and at the same time send an unambiguous message to their masters from the NATO countries, to show what consequences this conflict will sooner or later lead to.
    Yes Yes! And circle it twice with a red line.
    These same "owners" gave a shit about all these Kremlin messages!