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Is Russia preparing for war?

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Is Russia preparing for war?

Reforms in the army scolded a lot, but one fact is beyond anyone’s doubt: Russia's military spending is growing rapidly.

In the coming years, the government will spend 20 trillion rubles on a grand rearmament of the army. Where and against whom the latest can be used Tanks, ships and planes?

"The hardest thing to answer is the question, the answer to which is obvious." The statement of the great Bernard Shaw does not lose its relevance today. Obviously, Russia is a great power and one of the poles of power and therefore must always be fully armed. But it’s one thing to talk about it abstractly and quite another to watch large-scale military preparations. Reforms in the army scolded a lot, but one fact is beyond anyone’s doubt: Russia's military spending is growing rapidly. Last year, they grew immediately by 9,3% in annual terms - up to $ 72 billion. Thus, we have already bypassed the UK and France in terms of expenditure on armaments, by the way, for the first time in the newest stories. And in terms of the growth rate of military spending, they overtook China and India, not to mention the USA. Even those not well-versed in economics, people noticed that amid the prevailing economic uncertainty, the huge state defense order for 20 trillion rubles to the 2020 year was not reduced. Here you will inevitably think: what will this huge money go for and why does Russia need so much of the newest weapons? Let's see.

The main guarantor of the national security of Russia traditionally remains the Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN). And in this area recently there have been several important events. First, plans for the creation of a new mine-based 100-ton intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) with promising means to overcome the enemy’s missile defense (ABM) were launched. This crucial decision shows that the command has changed its mind to abandon heavy ICBMs. A promising rocket should replace the Soviet UR-100H UTTH “Stilet” complex, the service life of which was extended until the completion of work on a new product. Apparently, the military came to the conclusion that, under the prevailing conditions, an ICBM of this class is too important and an effective deterrent to abandon them.

Secondly, in December 2011 of the year and this year, the military department represented by the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Sergei Karakaev, and the spokesman of the press service of the Ministry of Defense for the Strategic Missile Forces, Vadim Koval, repeatedly stated the possibility of continuing research on the design of a combat railway missile system (BZhRK) generations. Recall that standing in service with the RVSN of the Soviet Union BZhRK with a rocket "Scalpel" was one of the main trump cards of the USSR in the confrontation with the United States. They could not be detected by means of space reconnaissance and ensured the possibility of a retaliatory strike against the United States in the event of a nuclear conflict. Hints at the possible creation of a promising BZHRK, most likely, a signal to American partners, stubbornly bending their line in building a missile defense system in Europe.
But rearmament will cover not only the Strategic Missile Forces. Today we are witnessing the beginning of the revival of the Russian Navy fleet (Navy). In the state defense order, 4,5 trillion rubles have been allocated for its update! More than 40 surface ships and submarines have already been laid and are being built at the shipyards. But if you get acquainted in more detail with the composition of the armament of these new combat units, then involuntarily the question arises of the concept of using the fleet in the near future. Thus, the latest frigates of the Admiral Gorshkov type and the small missile ships of the Buyan-M type being built for the Black Sea Fleet and the Caspian Flotilla have identical missile weapons. We are talking about the Caliber missile system with a range of ground targets of more than 2 thousand km, which is several times greater than the range of Soviet systems that are in service with the Navy. In essence, this means a transition from tactical and operational tactical weapons to strategic ones, and the command intends to equip even small displacement ships with such means. A reasonable question arises: why? Theoretically, the capabilities of such long-range weapons allow, say, even the Persian Gulf region to be controlled from the waters of the Black and Caspian Seas. Obviously, the military presence in the Mediterranean basin continues to play a crucial role in the plans of the Ministry of Defense. At the same time, the Navy leadership made a strong-willed decision to replace the obsolete ships of the Black Sea Fleet in a short time, but the frigates of the Admiral Gorshkov type, the construction of which was carried out with a scratch, and the more simple and used frigates of Project 11356M, were not already mentioned. Three of these ships have already been laid down and should be part of the fleet over the next two years.

A separate line is a series of six diesel submarines built specifically for the Black Sea Fleet. Such a serious replenishment of the combat strength of the submarine forces will expand, first of all, the anti-submarine capabilities of the group, because now Turkey on the Black Sea has entire 14 submarines against one of Russia.

In addition to the large-scale construction of new ships, there are plans for the return to service of Soviet ships that have been suspended for a long time. First of all, it concerns the Admiral Nakhimov nuclear-powered missile cruiser and several nuclear submarines with the Antey 949 cruise missiles (analogs of the deceased Kursk), which are currently in long-term repair or conservation. At the end of last year, the agency RIA "News", Referring to a source in the military-industrial complex (DIC), reported that" Antey "will be upgraded and will receive the latest strike weapons, including, apparently, and the Caliber and Onyx missile systems. And on the "Nakhimov" should pay special attention: the cruisers of this project and today are considered the most powerful strike warships in the world, and one can only guess what opportunities this ship will have after upgrading. These combat units will strengthen, first of all, the Northern Fleet - the struggle for the Arctic is coming, and it will not be easy.

Let us now turn to aviation. An analysis of the concluded and planned contracts for the front-line, primarily fighter, aviation allows us to make an assumption about the desire of the command to update the fleet in key areas as soon as possible. In addition to orders for promising T-50 aircraft (PAK FA) and Su-35S, the Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the supply of Su-30SM (the Russian version of the MKI), and is also actively negotiating with RSK MiG on the purchase of light MiG-35s. Even considering that the fifth-generation fighter still has several years of testing, it would be logical to still opt for the Su-35S, throwing all its forces into the production of this model. But it takes time to organize large-scale production, and aircraft are needed today. In late September, some media outlets announced the Ministry of Defense’s plans to deploy a group of MiG-2013 interceptors on Novaya Zemlya Island by the end of 31. This most important decision would make it possible to increase the combat stability of the Northern Fleet, which is actually deprived of fighter cover at the moment. It is known that in the 1980s, the 63rd Guards Air Regiment based on Su-27 fighters was based at the Rogachevo airport. However, in 1993 he was withdrawn to the mainland and disbanded. So the upcoming relocation should at least partially close the dangerous gap in the missile defense system of the area. Rogachevo has already replaced the runway cover and lighting equipment, and pilots of one of the units on the Su-27 this year made several missions to Novaya Zemlya. 20 years later, everything is back to square one.

If we are talking about the Arctic, it is worth noting the frequent flights of our strategic missile carriers Tu-95MS and Tu-160. Patrolling in the northern regions is no longer a rarity. The increased activity of the air component of the strategic nuclear forces (SNF) of Russia is accompanied by the reconstruction of the airfield network so that they can receive strategic bombers. The goal here is obvious: to get as many bands as possible to disperse in the event of a conflict.

No serious military conflict today can not do without the use of tanks. Russia has the largest tank fleet in the world, which, of course, requires renewal and replacement. And a few months ago, it became known that defense companies that repair armored vehicles received a large order from the military department for deep modernization of tanks already in service, in particular T-72. As a result, these combat vehicles will practically not be inferior to the most modern at the moment tank of the Russian army - T-90. True, a completely logical question arises: why spend large sums of money on upgrading outdated samples if a new technique is in development? Recall that the creation of a new promising tank was chosen as one of the key areas of development of the Land Forces of the Russian Federation. According to the defense industry, work on the Armat project is in full swing, and prototypes promise to be presented almost in 2014 year. Building a tank fist looks very impressive, if we recall that almost half of the NATO countries have already refused or intend to abandon heavy armored vehicles. And these are not only small states like the Netherlands, but also the main members of the alliance - the United Kingdom and Germany. If everything is more or less clear with ballistic missiles — this is a means of deterring the United States and its allies — then where might such powerful tank groups be needed?

According to the country's leadership, the number of external threats to the Russian Federation is growing. And today we can single out a number of potentially dangerous conflict zones. The main source of concern at the moment remains the prospect of deploying a US missile defense system in Eastern Europe. Moscow still believes that it is directed exclusively against Russia. The absence of any progress in negotiations with the United States on missile defense has already forced the General Staff to take a number of military-technical response measures, in particular, to put on alert several radars of early warning. However, in addition to this, the leaders of the country announced much tougher decisions that could be taken if there was a real threat to the Russian strategic nuclear forces. In November last year, President Dmitry Medvedev said: “The Russian Federation can deploy modern attack weapons systems in the west and in the south of the country, ensuring a fire attack on the European missile defense system. One of these steps will be the deployment of the Iskander missile system in the Kaliningrad special area ... ”

However, not all experts agree with this question. One of the leading Russian military experts Ruslan Pukhov said in an interview with our newspaper: “The subject of missile defense is a contrived thing. By the way, as well as the problems of NATO expansion to the East. I consider these threats as deferred - they are being updated in the future. By that time, Russia will either really strengthen and be able to fend off these threats, or a new 1917, well, or 1991 year awaits us, and then nothing will be terrible for us. ”

Experts are much more worried about possible local conflicts in the post-Soviet space and in neighboring countries south of the former borders of the USSR. The situation around Libya, Iran and Syria has shown that a militarily weak Russia cannot be an equal partner of the West in resolving regional conflicts. And this is clearly annoying the Russian leadership. In addition, Moscow is worried about Turkey’s gain, especially in connection with the war in Syria.

But not even the Middle East is the main risk zone for Russia. Potential threats may lie in wait for us much closer - in the South Caucasus and in Central Asia. Georgia, despite the political changes that occurred there, still cannot be considered a friendly country, it will hardly accept the loss of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. In addition, the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan continues in the Transcaucasus. Baku’s defense spending is constantly growing (in 2013, it will be about $ 2 billion, or 13% of budget expenditures), and since the financial capabilities of Azerbaijan and Armenia are incomparable, then sooner or later the balance in this region can be disturbed. Moreover, Azerbaijan, apparently, no longer believes that Moscow will help it to return the territories occupied by Armenia, and slowly changes its foreign policy course, directing its gaze towards the West. The first alarm bell rang in June this year, when the Azerbaijani side put forward to Russia the obviously unacceptable conditions for extending the lease of the Gabala radar station. And although the problem was resolved, an unpleasant aftertaste remained.

Serious conflict may also occur in Transnistria. In October, the Russian Foreign Ministry in the person of ambassador-at-large Dmitry Gubarev declared its readiness to recognize Tiraspol in the event that Moldova loses its independence and becomes part of Romania. Maybe not tomorrow or the day after tomorrow, but such a development of events seems quite real.

But the main potential danger comes, apparently, from Central Asia. “The nearest war will be in one form or another in Central Asia,” says Ruslan Pukhov. “Most likely, after the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan.” It is also impossible to exclude any variant of the “Central Asian spring” - regime change and destabilization of the situation in the region.

Summing up, we can say: a large-scale rearmament of the Russian army shows that Russia is actively trying to regain the status of a great military power and is ready to allocate huge funds for this. In this case, one can quite clearly distinguish two development vectors. The first vector is strategic, and it still implies an implicit confrontation with the United States, which, however, does not at all mean the inevitable military conflict between countries. Rather, it is the desire of the Russian elite to restore the former military parity with the Americans, albeit not on a Soviet scale, but nonetheless ...

The second vector is preparation for possible local wars and, accordingly, capacity building of conventional non-conventional weapons. The probability of "small wars" definitely cannot be ruled out - the events of August 2008 of the year in South Ossetia were a clear confirmation of this. Now Russia clearly wants to be able to speak with its closest neighbors from a position of strength - for example, with the same former Soviet republics or Turkey. And in the future, it may consider it necessary to intervene in conflicts that are not so far from Russian borders. So the catch phrase of the Roman historian Cornelius Nepos - “If you want peace - prepare for war” - is still relevant today.
And in relation to Russia - especially.
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  1. vorobey
    vorobey 12 December 2012 15: 46
    +72
    At last. At least someone dared to voice out loud what everyone is whispering about.

    and allies then Russia has only two Army and Navy. Despite the fact that inside the country, someone does not really like them.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2012 15: 54
      +49
      Quote: vorobey
      . At least someone dared to voice out loud what everyone is whispering about.

      Yes, not only are they whispering, but everyone understands. The whole world is arming itself with the very tomatoes. The question is whether we will be in time. The world is heading into the abyss and a number of countries are pushing it hard there. hi
      1. Blackscorp
        Blackscorp 12 December 2012 16: 21
        +8
        We don’t need someone else’s land, but we won’t give up an inch ... The pace of armament would be accelerated ... It should be so, first to yourself, then you can export it ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 December 2012 16: 36
          +6
          Quote: BlackScorp
          . It should be so-first to yourself, then you can export it ...

          You just called a nightmare for exporters, foreign contracts are holy for them. Later, only recently the situation has begun to improve
          1. Nose
            Nose 12 December 2012 16: 54
            +31
            Arming itself, Russia is not so much preparing for war as it is trying to avoid it! Well, or at least postpone.
            1. alex-defensor
              alex-defensor 12 December 2012 20: 29
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yes, not only are they whispering, but everyone understands. The whole world is arming itself with the very tomatoes. The question is whether we will be in time. The world is heading into the abyss and a number of countries are pushing it hard there.


              And this RANGE OF COUNTRIES is well known to all of us. Our problem also lies in the fact that there are already too many ADEPTORS of this RANGE of COUNTRIES in our country engaged in subversive activities.
              1. ramzes1776
                ramzes1776 13 December 2012 17: 47
                +1
                Quote: alex-defensor
                Our problem also lies in the fact that there are already too many ADEPTORS of this RANGE of COUNTRIES in our country engaged in subversive activities.

                These all adherents should be included in the lists in the likeness of Magnitsky and forbidden to enter the country.
            2. sergo0000
              sergo0000 12 December 2012 20: 49
              +2
              Nose,
              In my opinion, you can’t say better! drinks
            3. Dikremnij
              Dikremnij 13 December 2012 00: 59
              +1
              But first, it simply replaces obsolete equipment, which had to be replaced 10-15 years, or even 20 years ago.
          2. Blackscorp
            Blackscorp 12 December 2012 18: 27
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            You just called a nightmare for exporters, for them foreign contracts are holy


            Alexander, this is our problem ... In my opinion, they delivered 100-150 Su-30s to India, and we write about 2 of our own for a month and rejoice ... It feels like we want to please everyone, as long as it doesn't turn out to us later .... You are right, it may get better in time ....
            1. Genera
              Genera 13 December 2012 06: 21
              0
              I want to note that all high-tech equipment that is exported, in principle, cannot be used against the country of the exporter. due to the binding in the manufacturing process to the control center of this technique. And in the event of a military conflict, simply clicking on the button excludes even the take-off of this equipment. I apologize for the primitive presentation of my thoughts. I do not have the necessary terms in this area.
              1. DmitriRazumov
                DmitriRazumov 15 December 2012 18: 03
                0
                Well this is unlikely. Moreover, the Indians are admitted to the holy of holies - the development of a program-mathematical complex for controlling an airplane. It seems that they develop basic mathematics themselves, and we mainly take glider and weapons from us.
            2. igor.borov775
              igor.borov775 16 December 2012 12: 48
              0
              Hi, the problem is different. Delivering over a hill made it possible to at least a little stop the factories sliding into the abyss to develop a little bit what is, But the main trouble is the lack of civil aircraft manufacturing, Every effort is being made to revive this area, This is the main problem, you noticed what was done an order for a transport group of planes will help revive the civilian sphere of aviation, so that not all money goes only to the military, the President correctly determined that our civilian planes are needed but only new ones can compete in the world. Such a situation in almost all sectors makes an attempt to launch unique new civilian projects where there will be many dual-use systems, Rogozin also claims that this is the only way to raise civilian industries, It’s the military-industrial complex that always had those technologies that weren’t dreamed of as civilian, for two years we can see it,
      2. YARY
        YARY 12 December 2012 18: 16
        +1
        Si vis pacem, bellum for - and get ready quickly !!!
    2. Nickname
      Nickname 12 December 2012 16: 11
      +4
      I do not agree. This is far from the first such article!
      And now srach will begin - a good president / bad president
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 12 December 2012 16: 22
        +12
        Quote: Nickname
        And now srach will begin - a good president / bad president


      2. Trailer
        Trailer 12 December 2012 16: 22
        +4
        Then I will start it! Either the author has outdated information, or our successes are more modest: "The first alarm bell rang in June this year, when the Azerbaijani side put forward to Russia obviously unacceptable conditions for extending the lease of the Gabala radar station. And although the problem was resolved, an unpleasant aftertaste remained."
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 12 December 2012 16: 30
          +13
          Quote: Karavan
          or are our successes more modest


          Caravan, the issue was decided radically. No radar - No problem. It's like in the army
          on viewing the tags on the flasks of his fighters tore off to the fix. So would begin
          the tags are different, they are not signed in the same way, they are not sewn uniformly - there are three drawbacks. And there is one drawback - there are no tags on the jars.
          1. Trailer
            Trailer 12 December 2012 16: 45
            0
            Well, we have problems in the army. Well then, something radical to decide? And what do we have in return for the Gabala radar station, which "The effective radius of the station is about 8000 km. This was enough to detect missile launches from the Indian Ocean, while the radar completely covers the territory of most of the countries of Africa and the Middle East, as well as the territory of Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, India, China and all the states of Southeast Asia, including Australia. The radar allows not only detecting missile launches, but also tracking their trajectory, which makes it possible to use anti-missiles to neutralize the threat. "
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 12 December 2012 16: 48
          +21
          Quote: Karavan
          "The first alarm bell rang in June this year, when the Azerbaijani side put forward to Russia obviously unacceptable conditions for extending the lease of the Gabala radar station. And although the problem was resolved, an unpleasant aftertaste remained."


          Since yesterday, the station has stopped working. The question is closed, Russia has long been working on the modernization of early warning systems and their placement on its territory. The Gabala Daryal has served its purpose, and its closure does not in any way affect the defense capability of Russia. Russia had already lost all the Daryal radars - Balkhash (Kazakhstan), Skrunda (Latvia), Mukachevo, Sevastopol (Ukraine)
          That's what remains of the Balkhash-9 radar
          So Gabala can be said to be a happy long-liver in this plan. Before the launch of the Voronezh-DM radar station in Armavir, it covered our southern borders.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 12 December 2012 17: 15
            +4
            Ascetic welcome. while I was analyzing where my spit from the ceiling would fall, you already answered.
          2. Kaa
            Kaa 12 December 2012 17: 39
            +15
            Quote: Ascetic
            So Gabala can be said to be a happy centenarian

            Let Azerbaijan now have a headache about its fate and "the reed toad is strangling" that no money can be seen for rent now ... And the GDP is not vindictive, no, it just happens to be angry sometimes ... and it seems that it has not complained about memory ... fool
        3. pogis
          pogis 12 December 2012 17: 25
          +3
          Its disconnected ....
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 12 December 2012 18: 54
            +2
            Quote: pogis
            Its disconnected ....

            She drowned ... bully
      3. Tatarus
        Tatarus 12 December 2012 17: 22
        +3
        And what about the president? The real war smells real
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 12 December 2012 17: 25
          +5
          Quote: Tatarus
          And what about the president?


          someone should be to blame. it is impossible without it - not order without it.
        2. 13 December 2012 02: 28
          +1
          Quote: Tatarus
          And what about the president? The real war smells real

          especially in the light of the news:
          The French aircraft carrier approached the coast of Syria: http://vz.ru/news/2012/12/12/611558.html

          US recognized Syrian coalition of opposition forces
          http://russian.rt.com/Politics/1946

          US decides to sell defensive weapons to Georgia
          http://vz.ru/news/2012/12/12/611510.html

          The fact that Russia is preparing for war has long been clear. And given the fact that the main emphasis is on the South-East Military District, it is easy to guess where it will be.
    3. alexng
      alexng 12 December 2012 16: 23
      +16
      Now the world is more like this joke

      Classes are being held at the military department at the Aviation Institute. Teacher:
      - Student Ivanov, draw a loop of Nesterov on the board!
      Student:
      - Comrade Lieutenant Colonel, may I better draw a hysteresis loop ?!
      Teacher:
      - Draw! (looking at the picture) - Yes, the desperate courage was the pilot Hysteresis! ..
      1. SSR
        SSR 12 December 2012 17: 40
        +2
        20 years later, everything is back to square one.

        But a heavily truncated version ........
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 12 December 2012 17: 48
          +8
          Quote: SSR
          20 years later, everything returns to normal. But the greatly truncated version ........


          But when we are upgraded 41 times and the version will be full, and with regular updates, and even advanced applications will appear.

          And so I do not want to repeat.
    4. pogis
      pogis 12 December 2012 17: 24
      0
      And Belarus (bye)!
    5. psv_company
      psv_company 12 December 2012 18: 34
      +2
      wrong three allies, Army, Navy, Air Force.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 12 December 2012 18: 40
        +3
        Quote: psv_company
        Army, Fleet, Air Force


        To blame. corrected.
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 12 December 2012 18: 57
        +5
        Quote: psv_company
        wrong three allies, Army, Navy, Air Force.

        Now and the Ministry of Emergencies ... laughing
        1. alexng
          alexng 12 December 2012 21: 31
          +1
          And this turns out that now Russia has four allies: the Army, Navy, Air Force and the Ministry of Emergencies. Cool! good drinks
          Who is bigger? fellow
          1. valokordin
            valokordin 12 December 2012 22: 44
            +2
            Quote: alexneg
            it turns out that now Russia has four allies: the Army, Navy, Air Force and the Ministry of Emergencies. Cool!

            Army, Navy, Air Force, Emergencies Ministry, Strategic Rocket Forces and Women's Battalion
            1. alexng
              alexng 13 December 2012 08: 49
              0
              Well, Serdyukov's "women's battalion" is not an ally, but a mole, in the full sense of the word.
    6. g1kk
      g1kk 12 December 2012 18: 53
      +1
      as they say "if you want peace, get ready for war"
      In connection with the "peaceful revolutions" the army must be kept in constant combat readiness in order to show the "peaceful" demonstrators that they are not welcome here
      1. 755962
        755962 12 December 2012 20: 23
        +1
        in service with the Strategic Missile Forces of the Soviet Union, the BZHRK with the Scalpel missile was one of the main trump cards of the USSR in opposition to the USA.

        But this trump card is always better to keep up your sleeve ... It can play a decisive game .. I hope there are enough brains to realize this.
    7. Deniska999
      Deniska999 12 December 2012 21: 00
      +1
      War she will be. And the most stupid sees it.
    8. donchepano
      donchepano 12 December 2012 22: 10
      +4
      It finally came to our leadership.
      The question is, well, why the heck for more than 20 years the disarmament was reduced and destroyed?
      It is clear to a fool that a big mess is being prepared - you see a large population of the earth, there are not enough resources, well, etc.
      In Russia, everything is enough for hundreds of years to come.
      People do not just have to fool, scour and humiliate, and we will succeed.
      The people who passed the revolution, civil, the Great Patriotic War, the first to go into space - they are wise ...
      We have great prospects ahead, we just need to correctly emphasize.
      With respect to all residents of the former USSR
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 12 December 2012 23: 12
        +3
        Quote: donchepano
        In Russia, everything is enough for hundreds of years to come.

        That’s why the war will be enough in Russia, but they don’t. A toad strangling, how so? Some kind of bears drunk forever, own most of the world's resources, and do not want to voluntarily and free of charge share them with all progressive humanity.
        1. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 16 December 2012 13: 08
          0
          Gentlemen, where do you live? Look, we have long been sharing dividends by foreigners,
    9. lotus04
      lotus04 13 December 2012 03: 06
      0
      Quote: vorobey
      At last. At least someone dared to voice out loud what everyone is whispering about.


      Old verified truth: - If you want peace, get ready for war! (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
    10. enkor
      enkor 13 December 2012 04: 46
      0
      Not someone. And jidaanglomassony.
  2. S_nami_strength
    S_nami_strength 12 December 2012 15: 49
    +5
    Hope for GOD but don’t go wrong yourself)))))
    At last. At least someone dared to voice out loud what everyone is whispering about.

    and allies then Russia has only two Army and Navy. Despite the fact that inside the country, someone does not really like them.
  3. Vadivak
    Vadivak 12 December 2012 15: 52
    +19
    because now Turkey has in the Black Sea as many as 14 submarines against one in Russia.

    The Turkish Navy currently has complete superiority over any state in the Black Sea basin. This is especially noticeable in the area of ​​the submarine fleet and the armament of the Turkish Navy with anti-ship missiles - Ankara surpasses the Black Sea Fleet in its most probable and powerful enemy in 3-4 times.

    And speaking of the Turkish fleet, the author forgets about NATO, therefore, one submarine against NATO submarines

    1. WW3
      WW3 12 December 2012 16: 03
      +7
      Quote: Vadivak
      because now Turkey has in the Black Sea as many as 14 submarines against one in Russia

      On this topic ...
      The Black Sea Fleet of Russia recorded the appearance of Turkish submarines in the water area near Feodosia, where centers for testing new types of weapons are located.
      According to the deputy editor of the Black Sea Fleet’s official journal of the Black Sea Fleet in 2000-2009, candidate of political sciences, captain of the first rank Sergey Gorbachev, “Now the Black Sea Fleet discovers Turkish submarines near Feodosia - they are conducting reconnaissance”.
      According to the "New Region", at the moment the Turkish fleet has 14 submarines. At the same time, the only submarine of the Black Sea Fleet "Alrosa" is under repair in Kronstadt.
      According to Gorbachev, before the collapse of the USSR, in the 70-80s, Turkey preferred not to launch its submarines into the Black Sea, where the Soviet Black Sea Fleet dominated.
      Note that previously the only Ukrainian submarine Zaporozhye of the Naval Forces of Ukraine for the first time in the past few years left the 13th ship repair plant in Sevastopol and entered the city bay to carry out training tasks.

      http://newvesti.info/tureckie-podvodnye-lodki-vedut-razvedku-u-beregov-kryma/
    2. xzWhiteWolf
      xzWhiteWolf 12 December 2012 16: 05
      0
      Quote: Vadivak
      The Turkish Navy currently has complete superiority over any state in the Black Sea basin. This is especially noticeable in the area of ​​the submarine fleet and the armament of the Turkish Navy with anti-ship missiles - Ankara surpasses the Black Sea Fleet in its most probable and powerful enemy in 3-4 times.

      And speaking of the Turkish fleet, the author forgets about NATO, therefore, one submarine against NATO submarines


      Russia can destroy the entire fleet of Turkey in 48 hours ... 1 our submarine, with a nuclear torpedo, will destroy everything that they have .. Do not worry about it. Whatever it was, only 5 countries can still compete with our old ships. And Turkey is not among them.
      1. pogis
        pogis 12 December 2012 17: 29
        +1
        FOR 1 (one) HOUR! And Turkey to boot!
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 12 December 2012 19: 48
        +4
        Quote: xzWhiteWolf
        Russia can destroy the entire fleet of Turkey in 48 hours ...

        Russia can destroy Turkey, is that really the point? Now Turkish submarines snoop on our shores, and before their fleet did not enter the Black Sea at all
        1. xzWhiteWolf
          xzWhiteWolf 12 December 2012 20: 57
          +6
          Vadivak,
          They have only submarines of the coastal zone and do not depart far from their shores. They have such noisiness as in the second world so that they would not be talked about. If they were world-class, they would be successful in exporting.
          America also screams what a great fleet they have, a great army, great people ...
          And the result? The Caribbean crisis .. Our submarine stands close to almost the entire American fleet completely unnoticed, with the same nuclear torpedo .. 1 torpedo and not all US aircraft carrier group ... The result, there is no favorite aviation capable of making an absolute zone and the inability to continue to fully fight beyond your nose.
          Not one country at the moment can not fully threaten us with the help of force. That is why the West oppresses Libya, Syria and Iran in order to deprive us of oil and gas contracts and to make a monopoly thereby killing our economy as it was once done.
          But .. Russia has already taken up the reduction of managerial institutes and technical schools, as unnecessary. She began to develop and introduce a little bit of life to increase the prestige of techies. The forecast is that after 6 years they will also receive more than the average salary in the region. It is still like that .. But the work is usually seasonal, there is nowhere to work .. And there are many plants to work at which there is no sense to work 0 .. There are opportunities, people do not have the necessary specialties. With this they begin to fight. And only when Russia raise the industry to past capacities, it will get out of dependence on oil and gas .. But for this the state needs our children already .. Everyone understands this. Therefore, there is no option to fill the World Cup with our fleet because what is being built is mainly used for large fleets .. Since if this is not done now, it will turn into a mini fleet.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 12 December 2012 22: 20
            +1
            Quote: xzWhiteWolf
            they are only submarines of the coastal zone and far from their coasts.

            Moreover, at our coastal zone
            On March 27, 2012, the Russian Black Sea Fleet recorded the appearance of Turkish submarines in the water area near Feodosia, where weapons are being tested
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 17 December 2012 14: 46
              0
              Here the key moment "FIXED", the discovered submarine how long has it lived there in modern war?
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2012 16: 07
      +4
      Quote: Vadivak
      And speaking of the Turkish fleet, the author forgets about NATO, therefore, one submarine against NATO submarines

      Vadim, NATO’s submarines, we must still through the strait of proyah. Yes, and in case of war, the Turks will not help, they will save their loved ones.
      1. gas
        gas 12 December 2012 16: 45
        +6
        Turkey can be abandoned as extras in order to exhaust us. Alone in such conflicts do not fit.
        1. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 13 December 2012 18: 10
          +1
          Quote: gaz
          Turkey can be abandoned as extras in order to exhaust us.

          They must first deal with Syria and Iran.
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 12 December 2012 19: 49
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Vadim, NATO’s submarines, we must still cross the strait.

        Sasha, he is open to them, unlike us.
    4. Misantrop
      Misantrop 12 December 2012 16: 09
      +4
      Especially when you consider that this only submarine submarine - "Alrosa" is actually not a standard combat ship, but a sound simulator for training the crews of the PLO forces. He can deceive the Turks with other people's noises, but he can win ...
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 12 December 2012 16: 14
        +7
        Quote: Misantrop
        He can deceive the Turks with other people's noises, but he can win ...


        the Janissaries will have to weigh the galley on the galleys in the good old days. interesting and the Cossacks now on which side will be?
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 12 December 2012 17: 49
          +5
          Quote: vorobey
          and the Cossacks will now be on which side?

          The southern operational command (the Cossacks belong to it) is located on the territory of Odessa Kirovograd, Nikolaev, Kherson, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhya, Kharkov, Lugansk Donetsk Regions and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Doesn’t it remind, say, the territory of New Russia? Probably, by chance, it turned out ... lol
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 12 December 2012 17: 52
            +2
            Kaa,

            Shhh, wise Kaa.
            1. Kaa
              Kaa 12 December 2012 18: 52
              0
              Quote: vorobey
              wise kaa.

              Silent, silent, Military Secret ... in the Ukrainian-language Wikipedia, too ... winked
    5. bask
      bask 12 December 2012 16: 33
      +7
      Vadivak It took only a month to catch a heart from MO ... Shoigu, still with a pitchfork, all the gondons from the Moscow region stricken by a stool and his harem, WITHOUT RIG ... The Russian army for today is not ready for any local war !!!!!! Comparing the forces of NATO + Turkey + US is not correct. They have 100-fold superiority in all types of conventional weapons ... ONE HOPE FOR NW ,,, This is the only deterrence factor ... But in Syria and the port of Tartus, there should be grouping of the Navy. It is desirable with nuclear weapons on board .. This is sobering up NATO, hawks ,,,,, When Shoigu build combat-ready ground forces, Air Force, Navy, Still a very distant prospect .. The damage for 5 years was hurt, significant. Example ::: In the ground forces, airborne forces, marines 00000000000000 of new armored vehicles, as well as helicopters, etc. .. Everything is comprehended in units at best by dozens of units .....
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 December 2012 16: 41
        +3
        Quote: bask
        Compare the strength of NATO + Turkey + US, this is not correct. They have a 100-fold superiority in all types of conventional weapons ..

        Basque, you’ve bent a hundredfold, of course, all the more remember how Libya collected planes from all over NATO.
        Quote: bask
        ... And in Syria and the port of Tartus, there should be, groupings of the Navy. It is desirable with nuclear weapons on board

        Who said that there are no pair of submarines with nuclear weapons on board?
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 12 December 2012 17: 09
          -2
          I bet that it’s not there ...
        2. bask
          bask 12 December 2012 17: 12
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Who said that there are no pair of submarines with nuclear weapons on board

          I am also talking about this. But if Russia throws it to be eaten by Assad to these international wolves. As a geopolitical state, Russia will cease to exist ... The authority in the world, with such a development will be zero .......
        3. Ascetic
          Ascetic 12 December 2012 17: 26
          +10
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Who said that there are no pair of submarines with nuclear weapons on board?


          There it is more likely an animal like "Cheetah" or "Shark", judging by the nature of the combat mission, they cover the "Moskva" GRKR together with them they pose a serious threat to any American AUG in the Mediterranean Sea. Well, a couple of "Varshavyanks" (nicknamed black hole) can also greatly irritate American nuclear submarines and distract from Sharks and Cheetahs. This was already the case when amers "Kursk" in 1999 blinked in the Mediterranean Sea.
          After the Kursk campaign, several prominent naval commanders, including the commander of the anti-submarine defense of the Gibraltar zone, immediately lose their posts. By the way, the commander of the American submarine Memphis, who lost our Kursk in the Mediterranean, was severely punished.

          From an interview with Admiral Baltin
          Submarine War Intelligence
          article on here
          Now the situation for us in this regard is more encouraging than in 1999, it all depends on how far our leadership is able to go far in this confrontation to test the strength of the cool Yankees point.
          1. bask
            bask 12 December 2012 17: 34
            +5
            Quote: Ascetic
            it all depends on how far our leadership is able to go far in this confrontation to test the strength of the cool Yankees point.

            Ascetic, this is the cornerstone. The whole situation in Syria. If the Russian leadership, declares that it will go to the end., In the defense of Syria there will be no aggression of the NATO countries and Turkey will not !!!!!
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 12 December 2012 19: 51
        +2
        Quote: bask
        They have a 100-fold superiority in all types of conventional weapons ... ONE HOPE AT NW,

        I understand, but one Black Sea submarine named after the firm "Alrosa" and that one is being repaired, I am depressed
        1. bask
          bask 12 December 2012 20: 22
          +2
          Quote: Vadivak
          but one Black Sea submarine named after the firm "Alrosa" and that is being repaired

          Vadik, let it be under repair. Only repairs are needed in the port of Tartus-Syria. And you can tighten the delivery to the maximum !!!!!!
      3. donchepano
        donchepano 12 December 2012 22: 23
        +2
        Quote: bask
        damage over 5 years has been inflicted, significant


        The damage has been done for more than 20 years ... therefore it is not significant - it is huge
    6. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 12 December 2012 17: 08
      0
      Excuse me, what should that single submarine do? So she really cannot find the tasks ...
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 12 December 2012 17: 19
        +3
        Unless on the noise portray 949A project. Well, or 971. So that in the Turkish Navy, everyone would get rid of a fright laughing
    7. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 12 December 2012 21: 29
      +2
      Those. You want to say that the Russian Federation does not have coastal anti-ship systems with a range of up to 300 km on the Black Sea coast?
      Do you also want to say that, unlike Turkey, we do not have at least one Tu22M regiment loaded with anti-ship missiles? Do you want to say that the "word" GRKR Moscow with 16 PU does not mean anything? And on our small rocket ships there is a note "for children from 3 to 10 years old to play only in the bathroom in the presence of adults."
      Do you know that our little Alrosa in the Black Sea Fleet has older brothers and sisters in the Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet, who, without departing from the pier, can intercede for the younger one and reach even to Turkey, even to hell
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 12 December 2012 23: 27
        +2
        Quote: Bashkaus
        Do you know that our little Alrosa in the Black Sea Fleet has older brothers and sisters in the Pacific Fleet and Northern Fleet, who, without departing from the pier, can intercede for the younger one and reach even to Turkey, even to hell

        What for with the Pacific Fleet or the Northern Fleet Shoot ICBMs if Iskanders are deployed in the Krasnodar Territory.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 17 December 2012 12: 19
          0
          Quote: cherkas.oe
          What for with the Pacific Fleet or the Northern Fleet Shoot ICBMs if Iskanders are deployed in the Krasnodar Territory.

          They threatened a year ago. Already delivered? I doubt it very much.
  4. Nickname
    Nickname 12 December 2012 15: 57
    +3
    The concept is great. To it would add specific terms and signatures of the president and ministers on responsibility (preferably criminal) for their failure
    1. Nick
      Nick 12 December 2012 16: 07
      +2
      Quote: Nickname

      The concept is great. To it would add specific terms and signatures of the president and ministers of responsibility

      The government outlined the time for re-equipping the Army with new equipment and weapons at 70% until the 20 year ....
  5. datur
    datur 12 December 2012 16: 01
    +8
    RUSSIA -not arming- RUSSIA is concentrating !!!!!!!! wink laughing yes
    1. Che
      Che 12 December 2012 16: 28
      +8
      datur,
      Only an idiot can hope for the condescension of amers and their sixes. It is necessary to arm and prepare troops. Lessons to Remember 41.
      1. Pit
        Pit 12 December 2012 17: 54
        +2
        Yes, they are already shouting at all that they are preparing for war with Russia and China http://3mv.ru/publ/nato_prizyvaet_evropu_gotovitsja_k_bolshoj_vojne/1-1-0-13363
        1. engineer74
          engineer74 12 December 2012 20: 04
          +1
          Expectedly, the best way out of the crisis is a big war. Tested twice in the XNUMXth century. sad
  6. Nick
    Nick 12 December 2012 16: 01
    +6
    A completely objective analytical article, plus to the author.
  7. Fox
    Fox 12 December 2012 16: 01
    +10
    the fact that a lot of money was allocated is, of course, good ... but how much of this "a lot" was plundered? percent, like a secret man: 42 allocated-39 stolen .... here at least be allocated, one hell is not enough.
    1. Nickname
      Nickname 12 December 2012 16: 09
      +1
      It is not clear why you are minus, but I completely agree. All these are just words.
      None of this will be done. Once again, they will find the guilty or the dogs with the bulk prevented the army from being revived, or the Ministry of Defense will again empty out all the money.
      1. Artem6688
        Artem6688 12 December 2012 16: 49
        -2
        #SETTINGS
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 December 2012 16: 52
        +2
        Quote: Nickname
        Once again they will find the guilty or the dogs with the bulk prevented the army from reviving,

        Then someone bulked up and sobchak blamed about the problems with the army?
        1. Nickname
          Nickname 13 December 2012 10: 42
          0
          Alexander, of course this is a joke. But what’s not a joke is that there are no capacities to protest the aircraft. First, plants need to be built or reanimated
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 13 December 2012 10: 44
            0
            Quote: Nickname
            First, plants need to be built or reanimated

            Much time has been lost and "successful" reform is making itself felt hi
  8. xzWhiteWolf
    xzWhiteWolf 12 December 2012 16: 02
    +9
    But once upon a time not only the missile forces were the stronghold of our defense but also our Great Warriors! Even the Americans have repeatedly acknowledged that in the late 80s, our army was invincible .. It’s a pity now they are trying to make an American likeness ..
  9. nitrid
    nitrid 12 December 2012 16: 10
    +2
    It's time to get up from our knees and proudly say that we are a great nation. Good luck.
  10. IRBIS
    IRBIS 12 December 2012 16: 10
    +11
    Old wisdom: "If you want peace - get ready for war!"
    And it's better to prepare now than when the roasted rooster bites you know where. We already know how concepts like "did not have time" and "were not ready" end. Better to shed sweat on training grounds than blood on the battlefield ...
    1. MG42
      MG42 12 December 2012 16: 55
      +4
      Quote: IRBIS
      Better to shed sweat on the training grounds than blood on the battlefield ...

      Blood shed on the battlefield need the enemy. +
    2. bask
      bask 12 December 2012 18: 23
      +1
      Quote: IRBIS
      If you want peace, prepare for war! "

      This must be said to Taburetkin. How he and his team were preparing the army for a possible war ... Half of the landfills were sold to private owners. There they are now shedding sweat, gastorbaiten, sawing scrap metal ...
      1. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 12 December 2012 21: 43
        0
        What do you understand in military science! Serdyukov is a great commander, it only seems to you that he sold the polygons, in fact, he modernized them in this way, only not at the expense of the army, but at the expense of "private investment" plus the dough, he didn’t get sick. And now, at the same training grounds, the feisty army awakens to conduct exercises to neutralize the marches of dissent in urban conditions))) Seryukov is a genius, this is called eating a cherry and not choking on a bone;))
  11. _N_O_S_
    _N_O_S_ 12 December 2012 16: 13
    +1
    The future war is obvious. But we are not ready for it, because almost all the mass weapons of Russia are developments and samples of the USSR, and from the 70s and 80s ...
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 12 December 2012 21: 43
      +3
      And the B52 of the US Army is developing at all 50x;), the Yokroeks 60x helicopter ... should I continue? )))
  12. tolan_petrovich
    tolan_petrovich 12 December 2012 16: 16
    +4
    With all this, the managers are trying to convince everyone that it is necessary to privatize the remnants of state property, to sell everything to the Americans and to borrow more money for them!
  13. mar.tira
    mar.tira 12 December 2012 16: 16
    +3
    + But after all, it was clear to any little bit of a trained soldier that with our armed forces, as Gorbachev and then Yeltsin did (not to sleep it was remembered, pah-pah), you cannot treat this way! What happened? FULL collapse! What excuses did not come up with the advice of "our" friends, our leaders, in order to cover up their crimes. And the main thing in the General Staff and now those military specialists who have developed the doctrine of building our military and led us to the present situation in the army. Until now, they "build" and cannot build. It was necessary to think of it, in such a country, and in such a territory, to start creating a banana army.
  14. reading
    reading 12 December 2012 16: 22
    +11
    The article is interesting. Let me say that a possible war between the United States and China should not be forgotten. Somewhere already in the open press a few years ago it sounded that the Chinese military potential would be equal to the American one by 2015-17. Probably, it will be difficult for the Chinese to fight across the sea with the American aircraft carrier formations, but it is possible to "pinch" the NATO allies on land. Therefore, the United States provoked and built the so-called "Islamic arc" from Iraq to Afghanistan in order to "softly" wrap China with its bases and contingents. And next to Russia is either China, or the West. It is only unambiguous that a potential theater of operations (including the Central Asian one) is at our side. Therefore, you can of course take a "pacifist" position and wait as in the joke "the war would be quicker and the captive would surrender." And for normal citizens, the other is nevertheless closer - to tighten the belt, "but always have a sword and a horse in good condition."
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 12 December 2012 16: 34
      +3
      reading,

      With a successful launch of you. drinks
      1. reading
        reading 12 December 2012 16: 54
        +1
        Thanks vorobey. Just deign to explain about the "launch" - the first comment or something else.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 12 December 2012 17: 17
          +5
          Quote: reading
          explain about the "launch" - the first comment or something else


          Coincided so - a pun. first comment and successful launch of the DPRK satellite
          (This is so applicable to the profile picture)
    2. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 12 December 2012 21: 51
      +2
      Welcome to the site. A soldier you are not yet fired upon, when you collect the first 10 minuses for the comment from the "counter" and the State Department's henchmen, you can wake up to talk about baptism of fire;) The main thing is philosophical, maybe Mrs. Alekseeva personally, disdaining from anger, will put a minus saliva, and this is akin to the award of a "hero", it means that we have traveled around living common people;)
      1. reading
        reading 13 December 2012 09: 47
        +2
        Bashkaus. Somehow he did not set himself the goal of annoying opponents on the site, but expressed his thoughts. Therefore, for me, it is more valuable to discuss ideas with like-minded people, rather than quarreling with those who disagree (I observed on other sites where service people gather). I think that it is impossible to convince another person - you give information for thought, and then he will either convince himself or not. And it is very difficult to listen to another person, it is easier to balabol yourself, therefore, discussions do not work out (M. Zhvanetsky "... in a dispute, immediately get personal ..."
  15. Pilot200809
    Pilot200809 12 December 2012 16: 23
    +6
    Is Russia preparing for war? !!! You must always be ready for it !!!. These western critters only crave for a weak RUSSIA. Here you have a big and bold ....... all over the face !!!!
  16. Dimych
    Dimych 12 December 2012 16: 31
    +2
    As for the settlement of the situation with the Gabala radar station, there are some confusions. Recently, it was infa that the Russian Federation sent a note to the Azerbaijani side in connection with the termination of the station’s operation from December 10, 2012, because the “Agreement between the governments of the AR and the Russian Federation on the status, principles and operating conditions of the Gabala radar station” on December 9, 2012, lost its force.

    Read more: http://www.inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20121211/203228042.html#ixzz2EqNWSpPp
    Follow us: @inosmi on Twitter | InoSMI on Facebook

    And nothing is said in the article about the potential threat from China. A generation of military men and politicians has already grown up there who have forgotten about the Daman conflict.
    1. igor36
      igor36 12 December 2012 16: 47
      +3
      It is still scary for China to compete with Russia, besides, the war between the Russian Federation and the PRC will inevitably develop into a third world war, and what next? There are several options, but in any of them the USA wins, that's why the heirs of the British school of diplomacy play everyone off on the principle of "divide and conquer"
  17. Normal
    Normal 12 December 2012 16: 36
    +6
    Well then, let's hope ....
    Let's hope that what is claimed will be valid.
    Let us hope that the allocated funds will not be used and sawn as before. (what are our reasons for this?)
    Let us hope that the world oil and gas prices will not change for the worse and we will have funds for rearmament.
    Let's hope that the authorities are not compradors with accounts in the west and whom this west will squeeze when necessary, but patriots without fear and reproach, who will not spare their lives for their power, but also for their lives. (I’m sorry, I seem to be talking)
    Let's hope in God. Let's hope ... let's hope ....
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 12 December 2012 16: 43
      +2
      Quote: Normal
      Well then, let's hope ....


      May I be with you?
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 12 December 2012 18: 18
      +2
      Quote: Normal
      Let's hope in God. Let's hope ... let's hope ...

      Hope for God, but don’t be bad! yes
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 12 December 2012 18: 34
        +6
        Quote: GSH-18
        Trust in God, and he is not bad


        - Lord, help me, help me, Lord !!!
        Apostle Peter: - Listen, that would help. So a man is killed ..
        God: - Yes, I myself do not mind, but he would have bought a lottery ticket.
        1. tichsha
          tichsha 12 December 2012 21: 09
          0
          and I will hope with you! so there are already a lot of us!
  18. MG42
    MG42 12 December 2012 16: 37
    +9
    They only reckon with strong countries - now there are wars for oil and gas, then they will even fight for clean drinking water, the world’s population is growing steadily, there aren’t enough resources for everyone - a theoretically global war is possible, especially considering that Russia has these resources in excess - territory, water, minerals - you need a strong army to protect this wealth from the encroachments of enemies. soldier
  19. Edward72
    Edward72 12 December 2012 16: 39
    +3
    Everything is correctly said in the article that it is necessary to rearm. And if it happened that, on T-34 PO-2 and with swords alone, the enemy cannot be defeated
  20. limon
    limon 12 December 2012 16: 42
    0
    Want peace, getting ready for war.
  21. erased
    erased 12 December 2012 16: 43
    -1
    The list of external threats does not mention China. Although it is in the first place in its potential and charge for the war with the Russian Federation. The army of China is ready for a throw to the north. and we urgently need to build up the group in the Far East and prepare for the use of nuclear forces. Although, of course, it would be better to do without war. The rest is generally true.
    And 20 trillion. rubles will not reach the army. They will be sawn, stolen, put into rollbacks. At best, a third will go to business. Is this enough? We will see ...
    1. tichsha
      tichsha 12 December 2012 21: 47
      +2
      minus put people who do not know the problems of the Far East! and there is a very big problem with the migration of the Chinese. One must be wary of these Asian inhabitants!
      1. Artem6688
        Artem6688 13 December 2012 00: 34
        -2
        People could put a minus for this nonsense: "And 20 trillion rubles will not reach the army. They will be sawn, pilfered, put on kickbacks. At best, a third will go to work. Will this be enough? We will see ..."

        And about the Far East, he said everything correctly.
        1. tichsha
          tichsha 13 December 2012 01: 41
          +1
          So we found out who put the minus))) fellow
  22. not good
    not good 12 December 2012 16: 43
    +2
    We also need to return the aircraft to Anadyr, the regiment of MIG-31 interceptors will do. In the USSR, there was something there, and now only the runway.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 December 2012 16: 49
      +4
      Quote: Negoro
      We also need to return the aircraft to Anadyr; the MIG-31 interceptor regiment will do.

      31 MiGs are based in Kamchatka, too close to the border of the adversary is also not necessary.
  23. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 12 December 2012 16: 57
    +3
    rearm and well done, other countries do not stand still ....
  24. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 12 December 2012 17: 03
    -2
    What the fuck is the war? Restore destroyed over many years! And they haven’t really given money yet, only promises and promises ...
    And let experts like the Ruslanovnnipukhovs do something useful ...
    1. mazdie
      mazdie 12 December 2012 21: 46
      +1
      First, bread - the army, then the standard of living - cookies, while everything is on the back, but it is clear too people are hungry.
    2. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 12 December 2012 22: 11
      +2
      That's the trouble, who will allow us to restore the destroyed? If there is a desire to restore, then there is a desire to prevent this, from here there should be a conclusion to the war.
    3. Nickname
      Nickname 13 December 2012 10: 50
      0
      Exactly. Are the plants standing, will the Chinese arm them?
  25. Daduda
    Daduda 12 December 2012 17: 12
    +4
    it seems that when it starts, we again will not be completely ready as in 1 and 2 World. With outdated systems and prototypes of new ones and in emergency mode, enter them already during the war as in WWII or burst as in World War I.
    1. pogis
      pogis 12 December 2012 17: 36
      +1
      In the 3 of the world, reservists are exactly the 5 wheel! Compare the T-34 and T-90, LA-5 and MIG-31, the three-ruler and the an-94, etc.! It will not work to throw caps (bodies)!
  26. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 12 December 2012 17: 33
    +3
    Summing up, we can say: the large-scale rearmament of the Russian army testifies that Russia is actively trying to regain the status of a great military power and is ready to allocate huge funds for this.
    ]

    Yes it is! But all this, so to speak, is prevented by some people (you all already know them). More precisely, they have already done something ...
    God grant that everything is as it was in the article!
    1. pogis
      pogis 12 December 2012 17: 54
      0
      Here are the realities for you! Perm-Zvezdniy was the ober of 2-s-19 this year br was relocated for several thousand kilometers! At the time of the relocation, there were 11-16 conscripts and contrabasses (10%) according to 2% !!!!! 80 years ago % of contractors were fired! Who will be at war? And so everywhere! And this is chpbg!
  27. berserk1967
    berserk1967 12 December 2012 17: 49
    +4
    One of the Great Philosophers said: "If you want peace, prepare for war."
    And Napoleon put it this way: "The people who do not want to feed their army will soon be forced to feed someone else's."
    With these two quotations, the current military policy of the President and the government can be expressed.
  28. GSH-18
    GSH-18 12 December 2012 17: 50
    +4
    Great article. The author is a huge plus! The army and navy armed with weapons still of Soviet development will not be able to further effectively confront new threats. A complete rearmament is needed for the most modern and effective models and systems of Russian weapons. The military budget must be further increased and carefully monitored so that the money is turned to the maximum military power of the Russian Federation! soldier
    1. mazdie
      mazdie 12 December 2012 21: 53
      0
      +, but in order to re-equip them - these models still need to be created, for this we need engineers who need to be trained, trained and motivated to work at home and by profession, let's count the time? Soviet models in this situation is not the worst option!
    2. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 16 December 2012 13: 54
      0
      Yes, what kind of other money has come down completely from the coils, That’s all we can devote not only to defense but also to the construction of factories, Truly re-equipment is possible if civilian industries work, All outlines and tasks are set that way, That’s how the military-industrial complex should move a citizen, If it won’t happen, you can forget about the defense industry, There’s nothing to fuel the military-industrial complex, Even though a huge amount of big bias has been made to launch products for us, Only the appearance of new products for us will immediately start the launch of new weapons systems, Only now there is a real confrontation with the liberals of which our daughter’s the upper echelons of power, Putin has decisively violated what the gentlemen from the ICBM have prescribed to us, Now they will put pressure on us in full, We should only buy but we have no right to launch such technologies, Remember KUDRINA he is categorically against and not alone, Practically an attempt is made become a real competitor to the West, that’s why they will not love us,
  29. Ussuriets
    Ussuriets 12 December 2012 17: 54
    +2
    In the next thirty, even fifty years with China, a war is unlikely ... the sparse population of the vast territories of the Far East, its underdevelopment is not yet a reason for the Chinese to climb into our lands, which our grandfathers and great-grandfathers mastered with blood and sweat ... in principle, the threat of China with him unconditional military, economic, quantitative power is too exaggerated ... it is necessary to invest a lot of money in the region, including strengthening the forces of the eastern military district, chatter about the "Chinese" threat only plays into the hands of our enemies ...
    1. polly
      polly 12 December 2012 20: 22
      0
      True to your words, Ussuriets! For some reason, in Primorye, China is less afraid of it than in Moscow and Ukraine, they probably bought all the salt there ...
  30. Black
    Black 12 December 2012 17: 55
    +2
    Fate ..... Russia is not always ready, but always wins! soldier
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 12 December 2012 18: 02
      +4
      Quote: Chen
      Fate ..... Russia is not always ready, but always wins!

      The payment for such bravado is a huge loss of life. You will now argue that this should continue to be done ??
    2. pogis
      pogis 12 December 2012 18: 02
      +2
      Wake up in the courtyard of the 21 century! Look at her bombing Syria? And she can’t survive without external intervention! And no one can help! They just wait who dares the first! And the militias will not save us! And we don’t have an Army ...
    3. engineer74
      engineer74 12 December 2012 20: 20
      0
      Black,
      Fate ..... Russia is not always ready, but always wins!
  31. tank64rus
    tank64rus 12 December 2012 17: 57
    +6
    Russia has a very difficult position in the world, both now and for the future. Having about 40% of the remaining world reserves, only a complete id ... wouldn’t stir. Unfortunately, the global crisis always drags a world war and this is an axiom. The first signs are obvious these are local wars and regime changes in several dozen countries. Therefore, the opinion that the West is not ready for war is a mistake, just look at the NATO forces guide. The question is whether entry into the war will be justified by the benefits that countries will receive at its completion, and how much the profit from the war compensates for the costs of its conduct. Unfortunately, Russia needs to prepare in this current situation for the conduct of wars of all kinds. And with and without nuclear weapons, i.e. with the massive use of conventional weapons. Unfortunately, a small victorious army is not enough here, it will be crushed like Yugoslavia or Iraq.
  32. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov 12 December 2012 17: 58
    +10
    Russia is not preparing for war, Russia is preparing to defend its sovereignty ... !!! For the war, that is, the annexation of the territory of Russia is being prepared by NATO countries, incited by Great Britain and the United States .... We simply must be prepared for the worst-case scenario .... There is no one to protect us and hope only on our own strengths ....
    1. gregor6549
      gregor6549 12 December 2012 18: 17
      +1
      And what is war if not the continuation of politics by military methods and means? And if the world is slowly slipping into the abyss of the economic crisis, then the most tempting for many of the mighty of this world to solve such problems with a "small" war, so as to shut up the people and to survive themselves. And therefore, you don't want to, but you will have to fight, and not in such a distant future. With whom Russia will have to fight, the question is not yet clear, but you need to be ready for any scenario and not in ... ts years, but today. Otherwise, you may not live to see a bright tomorrow.
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 12 December 2012 20: 18
        +1
        gregor6549,
        NATO, then maybe China and the Islamists.
  33. Sergg
    Sergg 12 December 2012 18: 18
    +4
    It is necessary to rearm our army.
    But this is not enough, you need to rearm very quickly.
    And the most important thing is the human factor, people control equipment and weapons.
    I think our people are strong and patient, even if we are inferior in iron, but there is no better Russian soldier.
    And we will fight, those who are reading these lines now.
    As one Orthodox elder said: "The greatest happiness for a soldier is to die for his friends, to die for others to live."
    With such a view of life and death, we cannot be defeated.
  34. maksim
    maksim 12 December 2012 18: 29
    +2
    expenses, expenses, but we don’t have to forget about the quality of our products, otherwise we’ll go for quality in exchange for the quantity
  35. Arkan
    Arkan 12 December 2012 18: 37
    +5
    The Russians, you will give Iran a dozen warheads (with appropriate bookmarks, just in case) and there will be no Qatar, Saudi Arabia, or Israel ... But the price of oil and gas will fly into space and the West will no longer be before the war. Russia will no longer have another chance to solve problems with the wrong hands.
  36. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 12 December 2012 20: 01
    +4
    But the main potential danger comes, apparently, from Central Asia. “The coming war will be in one form or another in Central Asia,” says Ruslan Pukhov.

    Well, let's say in Kazakhstan everything rests on the irremovable Nazarbayev.
    As soon as he is gone, the elites will plunge the country into a civil war.
    Al Qaeda and Butahrir branches openly and clandestinely operate throughout the country. A generation of young people has grown up in the country, fooled by their nationalists for whom "a good Urus is a dead Urus". Therefore, as soon as Nazarbayev does not become in Kazakhstan, the southern border of Russia will turn into a hot one.
  37. Lakkuchu
    Lakkuchu 12 December 2012 20: 26
    +1
    Russia is arming itself not for war, but precisely so that it will not happen. Only having a strong modern army, you can be sure that not one nits dare not attack.
  38. Rus2012
    Rus2012 12 December 2012 20: 30
    +2
    Quote: Normal
    Let's hope in God. Let's hope ... let's hope ....


    ... yes ... let's hope ...
    primarily on yourself!
    Otherwise, to whom?
    On myself, fellow soldiers, like-minded people ...
    Others will join, making sure that there are still people in Russia!
  39. ankh-andrej
    ankh-andrej 12 December 2012 20: 31
    +2
    It would be good if the Indians refused from the aircraft carrier "Gorshkov" for another delay. Then you can attach it to yourself for air support of our Navy smile
  40. engineer74
    engineer74 12 December 2012 20: 37
    +4
    One gets the impression that there is no time at all. sad
    Latest events:
    1. Clinton's anti-Russian speech (almost Fulton speech)
    2. The recognition by the EU and the US of the Syrian illegal armed groups as a legitimate government (a military operation is clearly being prepared, let’s recall Libya).
    3. The declaration of Russia as an enemy of the Secretary General of NATO.
    and more
    If we do not interfere, along with China, NATO in Syria, then we or China will be next, and then we. They will forget about Iran, the general people need a big war, a small one will not do.
  41. sxn278619
    sxn278619 12 December 2012 22: 11
    +3
    According to the theory of M. Khazin, the global economic crisis will bottom out in 2019-2020, after which stagnation will follow. Capitalism will move from the financial stage to the classical (wild) one.
    That is why they are rearming the army.
    The likelihood of local conflicts will increase dramatically.
    Unfortunately, the crisis and falling oil prices will not allow to fully implement the declared program and something will have to be reduced.
    1. valokordin
      valokordin 12 December 2012 22: 52
      +1
      There will be no global war; Russia’s own citizens will suffocate
  42. VadimSt
    VadimSt 12 December 2012 22: 56
    +2
    As a review, Russia's priorities for arms modernization are not bad. As an attempt at long-term analysis, it costs nothing.
    1. bask
      bask 12 December 2012 23: 01
      -2
      GDP in its annual plan Not a word did not mention that Russia was preparing for war. Maybe he as the commander in chief is not in the know. Or not ... I did not prepare, in general ... There is definitely no analysis of the situation for today ... .
  43. Rus2012
    Rus2012 12 December 2012 23: 15
    +2
    Quote: engineer74
    One gets the impression that there is no time at all. Recent Events: 1. Clinton anti-Russian speech (almost Fulton speech) 2. Recognition by the EU and the US of the Syrian illegal armed groups as a legitimate government (a military operation is clearly being prepared, let’s recall Libya) .3. The declaration of Russia as an enemy by the Secretary General of NATO. And others. If we do not interfere, along with China, NATO in Syria, then we or China will be next, and then we. They will forget about Iran, the general people need a big war, a small one will not do.


    [b] If this is not disinfect - http://perevodika.ru/articles/22332.html
    “Hours after NATO agreed on Tuesday to send Patriot missiles to Turkey due to the Syrian crisis, Russia delivered the first batch of Iskander missiles to Syria.

    the cool batch has already gone ...
  44. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 12 December 2012 23: 44
    +2
    Russia, taking care of its security, does not violate any norms of international law. It has every reason for this, since too many democrats have spawned in the world, who are ready to force the people to embroil the principles of democracy in an armed way, overthrowing unwanted regimes
  45. 1goose3
    1goose3 13 December 2012 00: 12
    0
    the catch phrase of the Roman historian Cornelius Nepot - “If you want peace - get ready for war”

    And all this is said.
  46. lyustra10
    lyustra10 13 December 2012 00: 26
    +10
    Good evening, gentlemen. My name is Pavel, I still decided to write here, since there is such a lively discussion of my article here. Just so that there is no unnecessary excitement.
    I am getting a second tower at the Faculty of Journalism of Moscow State University, it was a joint project of the faculty and the business magazine "Profile" - we were offered to write, in general, an article of our dreams. My specialization now is business journalism, but the military topic has always interested me, since all the men in the family are military. So I wrote what I think - the editor-in-chief did not correct anything, so there is no tendentiousness here and cannot be. This is exclusively the opinion of a novice journalist and a patriot of his country. Do not doubt the purity of the experiment. This is my first publication in the magazine, and in any case, I am very glad that this project took place - in total there were about 300 applications from students, and as a result, only 19 articles were published. And it seems to me that I wrote quite good material, especially considering that I am only taking my first steps in the profession.
    In any case, I am very grateful to everyone who decided to comment on my article, and it does not matter with a plus or minus sign - the main thing is that it found some kind of response. But for this, the journalist works. Thank.

    P.S. As for Gabala - the editor and I just neighing over this incident yesterday) An article was sent to the press somewhere on December 3-4, and then there’s such a joke - on the day after the December 10 issue, we refuse the radar. And this also happens ...
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 13 December 2012 18: 06
      0
      Good luck and success! Aftar pesci ischo.
  47. cap-blood
    cap-blood 13 December 2012 00: 45
    +1
    I read the article with great interest. A good calm analysis, so what a kick there. Of course, everyone needs to roll up their sleeves, to maintain the defense industry at least morally - this is also a lot and important. I can not restrain myself: most of the comments are written with a subtle sense of humor - it's nice to read. Thanks to all!
  48. wax
    wax 13 December 2012 01: 49
    +2
    Good luck, Pavel! Do not cheat on your homeland and profession, even if everything around you seems ruined. Yulia Drunina, 17 years old, in 1941 volunteered for the front, could die many times at the front, but committed suicide in 1991, not accepting the Yeltsin coup and the collapse of the USSR. Poetess. Peace be upon her. Russia needs heroes and dreamers.

    COURT HOUR

    The heart is covered with hoarfrost -
    It is very cold at the time of judgment ...
    And you have eyes like a monk -
    I haven’t seen such an eye.

    I'm leaving, I have no strength.
    Only from afar
    (All are baptized!)
    I pray
    For people like you,
    For the elect
    Hold over the cliff Rus.

    But I fear that you are powerless.
    Therefore I choose death.
    As Russia flies,
    I can not, I do not want to watch!

    Yu. Drunina
  49. Marconi41
    Marconi41 13 December 2012 02: 09
    +1
    All right! We need Peace - ALL! We don’t need someone else’s, but we’ll take ours - whatever it is !!!
  50. VadimSt
    VadimSt 13 December 2012 02: 47
    0
    Quote: lyustra10
    My name is Pavel, I still decided to write here, since there is such a lively discussion of my article here. Just so that there is no unnecessary excitement.


    Pavel! I will express my personal opinion.
    The article itself is interesting. But, in my opinion, it is necessary to use the opinions of experts (in particular, in the article by R. Pukhov) only in order to compare them with a different opinion and the official position. There are simply no independent experts. All of them "serve" departmental and corporate interests, and this means one thing - an objective truth, somewhere in between.
    Many experts do not provide a forecast of the development of events on the basis of scientific analysis, but simply express their opinion - in the style of Pavel Globa.