Artemovsk - the city of glory of Russian weapons

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Artemovsk - the city of glory of Russian weapons


Festung Bahmut


First of all, let's decide on the name of the city liberated by the Wagner stormtroopers. Until May 20, it was not entirely correct to call Bakhmut Artemovsky - Ukrainian military formations were still in the 70th "Fortezi". Let partially, but territorially it was still under the jurisdiction of Kyiv. Now that the last militants have been driven out of the settlement, it's time to remember that from 1924 to 2015 it was called Artemovsk. The city under this name was returned from the Nazi paws by the Red Army in 1943. They returned in 2023. Artemovsk has long been not just a front-line city, but a symbol of the Russian offensive in the Donbass. Let measured, but offensive.



For the Kyiv regime, the city was also a symbol. Perhaps much more significant than for Russia. Zelensky, in the best traditions of the fading Hitler, decided to turn Bakhmut into an impregnable fortress - Fortetsya. A sort of analogue of the German fascist festung. A large-scale propaganda campaign unfolded in Ukraine, after which the fall of Artemovsk seemed impossible. So many forces, means and manpower of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were thrown at the Wagner attack aircraft. The untwisted flywheel of propaganda played a cruel joke on the Ukrainian leadership - it will be very difficult for Zelensky to explain the fall of Artemovsk to the people. The already bored maxims about the insignificant value of the city, its total destruction and about the ground offensive potential of the Russian army will be used. More precisely, PMC "Wagner". Profile Nazi channels are already inflating history about the upcoming attack on the flank of Artemovsk and the subsequent capture of the city. This is fine. This is how it should be - the propaganda machine should save face when playing badly. And the game is really unimportant for the Ukrainians here. For the West, the loss of Artemovsk also does not bode well. Over the past six months, arms deliveries have forced Kyiv to organize an offensive. From the immediate prospects - the notorious "fighter coalition" will think seven times before deciding to supply F-16s to Ukraine.


APU leaves scorched earth behind

About the upcoming offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was heard literally from every iron. At first it was predicted in winter, then in spring, and finally, the offensive was marked by the abandonment of Artemovsk. Given the unprecedented technical and financial assistance from the West, history looks like a real failure. This, by the way, is a very symptomatic event - Western aid was originally designed for a classic offensive in the fields and forests. Designed for this Tanks, howitzers, MLRS and other equipment. And when the battle goes on at dagger distances, no Leopards with Abrams will help. That is why we did not observe the widely advertised NATO equipment in Artemovsk. A few burned Dingos and HMMWVs don't count - the vehicles have long been expendable at the front. How do the Armed Forces of Ukraine intend to attack the urban agglomerations of Donbass? The inability to hold a city of 70, albeit against a highly trained Wagner, shows the potential of the elite of the Ukrainian army. A real elite of the Armed Forces of Ukraine fought near Artemovsk, well flavored with imported mercenaries. Each time, the enemy threw his fighters into the crucible more and more, with his own hands turning a previously not very well-known town into a strategically important object. The value of Artemovsk was expressed not in its unique geographical location, but in the concentration of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which simply could not be ignored. Otherwise, they would have gone right through the city, turning a tactical breakthrough into a strategic offensive.

Artemovsk became the second city after Mariupol, where the Russian victory was hard and at a very considerable price. With one big caveat - Mariupol was initially blockaded by the Russian army from all sides, and until May 20, the opponents of the PMC "Wagner" were continuously brought fresh forces, ammunition and weapon. It was not possible to cut the road from Chasov Yar, which was strategically important for attack aircraft. Moreover, a few days before leaving the city, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were able to expand their presence on the northern and southern flanks of the front. Under such conditions, the heroes of Wagner deserve a long standing ovation. And the dead attack aircraft - eternal memory.

It is too early to talk about how much the “Wagnerites” undermined the strike potential of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but one thing is clear - while Artemivsk was being stormed, the Ukrainian army was unable to organize a sane offensive in any sector of the 1000-kilometer front. Many now on both sides of the front are stuttering about the senselessness of the city from a military point of view, they say, the winner will not receive a particularly advantageous position. For such commentators, only Kharkiv, Zaporozhye and Kyiv are digestible targets. Discussing this in all seriousness is just a waste of time. For a year and a half of the special operation, any advance of our troops to the west is regarded as an undoubted victory. Simply because the nationalists have less Russian land left. And the capture of the city is generally just right to equate to a public holiday.

42 square kilometers of Russian land


On May 25, Wagner, after clearing Artemovsk, transfers positions to Russian units. At least, this is what Yevgeny Prigogine said in the famous video. And here are a few important points. First and most important, the Wagner attack aircraft deserved a rest. Seven months of non-stop fighting can exhaust more than one army. Even in conditions of chronic shell hunger. The second point is that Artemovsk is left by units that are very good at fighting in urban battles. It can be said without exaggeration that Wagner has no equal in the assault on settlements. Russian troops will enter the positions, but to what extent will they be adapted to the conditions of urban combat? But units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine left Artemovsk - a considerable part of them were killed, but some managed to evacuate. The city was not surrounded like Mariupol. The Ukrainians must have taken out the commanding staff, which organized the defense, provided logistics and training for reinforcements. Therefore, the Russian army in Artemovsk has a doubly difficult task - it is necessary not only to keep the city, but to keep it under the onslaught of the enemy who fought in it and knows it like the back of his hand. The “exchange fund of Mariupol”, who returned from Russian captivity, will most likely be thrown to the aid of the enemy. In any scenario, Artemovsk will not cease to be a hot spot at the front - it is very important for Ukrainian propaganda. Therefore, if we wait for the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, then it is in the Artyomovsk direction. There is no intrigue here - the city has become a symbol, and the Kiev regime is ready to raze it to the ground, if only Russia does not get it.


In the long term, Artemovsk has only a positive agenda. You can get acquainted with how the Russians are able to restore the liberated cities in Mariupol. The population in it was five to six times greater than in Artemovsk, but there was no less destruction. Construction companies are also operating in front-line Severodonetsk. The sappers have a lot of work - the Armed Forces of Ukraine abundantly sprinkled the city with mines, they say, it would be enough for several megacities.

Artemovsk is a new city of glory for Russian weapons. Glory, first of all, to the Wagner attack aircraft, which bore the brunt of the liberation. City of Russian glory aviation and rocket men who knocked out the enemy's human and material reserves on the far and near approaches to the city. May 20, of course, is now a memorable date in the Russian calendar. There would be more such pages of our history.
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  1. +19
    22 May 2023
    Artyomovsk is a reminder to our Supreme Commander and I that "Kiev-Zatridnya" will not work.
    1. 0
      22 May 2023
      The capture of Artyomovsk is a tactical Victory "of Russian weapons and infantry - of course." The liberation of Artemovsk is the success of the Headquarters of the PMC "Wagner" in the creative organization of command and control. This example must be urgently applied in the Russian Armed Forces (though I think who will allow this?). Tactics are fine.
      This begs the question: when will our dear (very dear) generals from the General Staff of the Defense Ministry please and surprise us with their ingenious strategic plan? Will we be able to see the powerful strikes of the Russian Armed Forces with the help of tank corps from hundreds of Armats, cutting through the defenses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with access to the western borders of Ukraine?
      1. +8
        22 May 2023
        What was the creativity? Until they took Soledar, Wagner fought head-on against the fortifications. Only after that they managed to push through the defenses from the north, and even then, the coverage and the boiler did not work out and everything came down to squeezing out.
        Yes, against the backdrop of failures in all other areas, this is a success, but not to say that in terms of tactics it is special.
        1. 0
          22 May 2023
          Quote: Igor Pischulin
          What was the creativity? Until they took Soledar, Wagner fought head-on against the fortifications. Only after that they managed to push through the defenses from the north, and even then, the coverage and the boiler did not work out and everything came down to squeezing out.
          Yes, against the backdrop of failures in all other areas, this is a success, but not to say that in terms of tactics it is special.

          Wagner didn't have enough mils to do sweeps and encircles.
          This could only be in cooperation with the MO.
          Well, here...
      2. man
        +3
        22 May 2023
        This begs the question: when will our dear (very dear) generals from the General Staff of the Defense Ministry please and surprise us with their ingenious strategic plan?
        So far, they make us happy only when they supply shells to Wagner.
    2. 0
      22 May 2023
      a symbol of the Russian offensive in the Donbass. Let measured, but offensive.

      I do not know what to say. A year and 3 months of a "measured" offensive.
      And so the news, yes, good, at least some kind of victory. Not "Kyivzatridnya" and Gazmanov's concert, of course ... But the whole city!
    3. 0
      22 May 2023
      Yes, in fact, the Russian side never claimed that it would take the “Kyiv-thridnya”, since the authorship of this forecast belongs to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of NATO, US Army General Mark Milley, when he spoke to US Congressmen at closed briefings on February 2 and 3, 2022 .
      Again, when saying this, M. Milli had in mind the option of a full-scale military invasion, and not the conduct of a NMD by a limited contingent of 130 thousand bayonets. Yes
  2. +10
    22 May 2023
    The glory of Russian weapons and infantry - of course. But now the glory for the command of the SV RF Armed Forces is already with an undoubted odor ...
    1. +14
      22 May 2023
      Unfortunately, the author does not understand one thing. Residents remained in Mariupol and there are people to restore for. In Artemovsk, the residents left. And restoration should be considered where it is necessary to restore. But it is pointless to consider restoration in the near future. Moreover, there is a war going on. And the main thing for us is Victory.
      1. +7
        22 May 2023
        I don’t understand, Bakhmut is stubbornly called Artemovsk, but for some reason they don’t call Mariupo Zhdanov, and they don’t call Peter Leningrad, and they don’t rename Samara to Kuibyshev, what’s the catch?
        1. -2
          22 May 2023
          Quote: Talon
          bakhmut is stubbornly called Artemovsk, but for some reason they don’t call Mariupo Zhdanov, and they don’t call Peter Leningrad, and they don’t rename Samara to Kuibyshev, what’s the catch?

          Because the revolutionary Artem was the first head, the creator of the Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Republic. Passionate, fiery, made a tremendous impression on people, his army, right up to death. His son, Artem, fought during the Second World War (and did not sit behind the back of I.V. Stalin, his adoptive father) Artemovsk is a significant NAME for the LDNR. And the rest, the figures you named, well ... this is the will of the Russian people.
          1. 0
            23 May 2023
            And the rest, the figures you named, well ... this is the will of the Russian people.
            This is where the "will of the Russian people" manifested itself - when was Leningrad renamed Petersburg at the suggestion of Sobchak? The will manifested itself when Valka Tereshkova was not allowed to rename Tutaev (named after the Red Army soldier who died in 1918) back to Romanov-Borisoglebsk.
        2. +1
          22 May 2023
          Heh, and that's the joke that they don't rename, and it's unlikely they will rename it.
    2. -4
      22 May 2023
      Maybe the dwarf somehow suggested the conditions of his own: not all the ughry into dust, but to determine the pieces together and cut them. In PM, run a new tactic. Dogovlrnyak? With the Swiss and Hungarians? against Britain.
      Unanswered questions, blank answers.
  3. +1
    22 May 2023
    Do not forget that this is primarily a business. Prigozhin is a businessman.
    If, other things being equal, you go to a free doctor, you have nothing serious and you will be cured in a week, and if you go to a paid doctor, you are seriously ill and you need to be treated for a year, because everything is very, very difficult.
    So here. Capitalism, that's what it is.
    1. +1
      23 May 2023
      Do not forget that this is primarily a business. Prigozhin is a businessman.
      If, other things being equal, you go to a free doctor, you have nothing serious and you will be cured in a week, and if you go to a paid doctor, you are seriously ill and you need to be treated for a year, because everything is very, very difficult.
      It looks like you are absolutely right.
  4. +7
    22 May 2023
    I will do without pathos. I agree that PMC Wagner is worthy of all praise. And, I'm afraid, we will create new PMCs like mushrooms. I read Prigozhin's appeal to Zelensky. Where he noted both the resilience of Ukrainians and the pressure of PMCs. But it wasn’t private companies that fought against Prigozhin at all. So that’s not the point. And sorting it out is the first task. that ours did not leave the battle for several months, this is most likely a cost. Do not think that I want to add a fly in the ointment to a barrel of honey. But so far this barrel is not there yet.
    1. +3
      22 May 2023
      , PMC Wagner
      Use the new chip. Pretend that there is no "PMC", but there are Wagner attack aircraft.
    2. +11
      22 May 2023
      it was not at all private companies that fought against Prigozhin
      Already after the start of the NWO, part of the American mercenaries decided to create a private military company similar to the Wagner PMC. The name "Mozart" was chosen, and as a result, the most trained fighters with combat experience were taken to the staff, and a certain Andrew Milburn became the founder, who later said that his participation in hostilities was terminated, he himself would go home, and a private military agency leave the territory of Ukraine in full force. He himself posted a curious picture
      It looks like Andrew has admitted complete defeat to the Russian fighters.
  5. +12
    22 May 2023
    the offensive was marked by the abandonment of Artemovsk.
    And the front did not collapse, as they shouted from every iron.
    1. +1
      22 May 2023
      Quote: parusnik
      And the front did not collapse, as they shouted from every iron.

      At this rate, how will it collapse?
      1. +8
        22 May 2023
        Which is surprising. Both sides are fighting on a narrow section of the front. They are advancing there, they are counter-attacking there, as if they have agreed where to conduct hostilities and where not. Here we are fighting, but here we are not fighting.
        1. +4
          22 May 2023
          Quote: parusnik
          Which is surprising. Both sides are fighting on a narrow section of the front. They are advancing there, they are counter-attacking there, as if they have agreed where to conduct hostilities and where not. Here we are fighting, but here we are not fighting.

          There is no fighting along the gas pipeline.
    2. +2
      22 May 2023
      Vyacheslav, why will he collapse? A creeping offensive versus a creeping counteroffensive.
    3. +2
      22 May 2023
      The front will collapse in the office, on a green cloth, they will sign that whoever dances (and pays). The West also finances our containment with the withdrawal of additional profits from the East of the USSR (and moral uplift from the "Russian spring"). The armies are just arranging the terms of the deal. And PMCs from various aligarhs - additions to the official sun. Remember Kolrmoysky.
    4. +1
      22 May 2023
      Quote: parusnik
      the offensive was marked by the abandonment of Artemovsk.
      And the front did not collapse, as they shouted from every iron.

      Artemosk is followed by large fortified areas that have been preparing for 8 years. Kramatorsk, Chasov Yar, Slavyansk, etc. Now let's get into them. How many we will take, only God knows.
      Bypasses, encirclement, the Russian army cannot carry out due to lack of forces and means.
  6. +2
    22 May 2023
    Previously, cities were quickly taken, because they were under red banners. By the way, what kind of crosses are on the shields?
    1. +3
      22 May 2023
      The Wehrmacht took even faster, not just cities, but entire countries. Is it because of the color of the banners?
  7. +2
    22 May 2023
    Until May 20, it was not entirely correct to call Bakhmut Artemovsky
    I do not agree with the author. Artyomovsk was called by all those who lived in this territory and did not accept Ukrainian renaming. It may be wrong for the Ukrainian side, and even very right for Donbass.
    1. -1
      22 May 2023
      you might think that the Russian Federation did not rename the city, and no one in the Russian Federation called Mariupol Zhdanov
  8. +5
    22 May 2023
    two hundred days of fighting PMC Wagner without replacement and rotations, what is this from? After all, it’s not from Prigogine’s stubbornness, they say, let’s shoot, we like it and see how we do it! Prigozhin is probably not the main one in Wagner's planning of tactics and strategy. Of course, there are talented high-level officers in the headquarters, and the commanders of units and soldiers there are subject to a special but effective charter, about which and about which we are unlikely to ever know.
    So, perhaps there was nothing to replace Wagner, having seen the difference between the appointees from the Moscow Region and the command staff of Wagner.
  9. +16
    22 May 2023
    Artemovsk became the second city after Mariupol, where the Russian victory was won hard and at a very considerable price.
    Strange comparison. An encirclement operation was carried out near Mariupol, followed by surrender. And Artemovsk is a solid meat assault. Moreover, near Mariupol, the elite units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - "Azov" and marines were defeated, which is not heard now. So at the moment this is the only real success of the Russian army. And about the victory near Artemovsk, Tsar Pyrrhus would say - “One more such victory, and I will have no more soldiers left”
    1. -1
      23 May 2023
      And Artemovsk is a solid meat assault

      According to your Armed Forces, they provided a convenient passage for BTG columns directly to Kyiv, and instead of using the corridor, the Moscow Region found one single fortified area and ran into it?
      Moreover, near Mariupol, the elite units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - "Azov" and marines were defeated, which is not heard now

      The Armed Forces of Ukraine know how to think differently from you, so they decided that getting into a circular siege is inappropriate.
  10. -10
    22 May 2023
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Strange comparison. An encirclement operation was carried out near Mariupol, followed by surrender. And Artemovsk is a solid meat assault. Moreover, near Mariupol, the elite units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - "Azov" and marines were defeated, which is not heard now. So at the moment this is the only real success of the Russian army. And about the victory near Artemovsk, Tsar Pyrrhus would say - “One more such victory, and I will have no more soldiers left”


    That's right, a meat grinder for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which greatly complicated the preparation for the "counterattack".
    And where did you get the idea that there were no elite units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Artemovsk? Were. And those that had fresh Western weapons.
    We have enough warriors. Losses will be compensated, our military commissars, unlike in Ukraine, do not have to lack recruits on the streets. So the fate of the king of Epirus - threatens our opponents.
    1. +5
      22 May 2023
      Quote: Illanatol
      That's right, a meat grinder for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which greatly complicated the preparation for the "counterattack".
      but for Wagner, like not a meat grinder ?! During the assault on fortified areas, the attackers suffer much greater losses. And I didn’t hear about the stampede of the enemy
      Quote: Illanatol
      And where did you get the idea that there were no elite units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Artemovsk? Were. And those that had fresh Western weapons.
      Well, name it. Near Mariupol, 4000 prisoners were taken, most of them after the surrender.
      Quote: Illanatol
      We have enough warriors. Losses will be compensated, our military commissars, unlike in Ukraine, do not have to lack recruits on the streets. So the fate of the king of Epirus - threatens our opponents.
      I met "lieutenant Dubov" at VO, but there are no "Bigler cadets" yet hi - "Oh, you, Budějovice Benedek!" lol
  11. -7
    22 May 2023
    Quote: parusnik
    Which is surprising. Both sides are fighting on a narrow section of the front. They are advancing there, they are counter-attacking there, as if they have agreed where to conduct hostilities and where not. Here we are fighting, but here we are not fighting.


    Nothing surprising. The battle for Bakhmut-Artemovsk acquired a symbolic meaning for both sides.
    And when millions of groups converged near Stalingrad in the Second World War, was that not surprising?
    1. +1
      22 May 2023
      Millions of groupings where does the figure come from?
      1. 0
        22 May 2023
        Quote: Churchill
        Millions of groupings where does the figure come from?

        The strength of the 6th Army before the start of the operation was 600. But besides the 6th Army, other units also took part in the operation. For example, the 4th tank. Not all 6th was directly in the city.
        An attempt to break through the encirclement by Manstein is also part of the Battle of Stalingrad. So Manstein's troops are also participants in the Battle of Stalingrad.
        So there will be more than a million from the Wehrmacht. You will find the number of the Red Army that took part in the battle for yourself.
        1. 0
          23 May 2023
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          The strength of the 6th Army before the start of the operation was 600.

          335 thousand German archives speak. And by the time of Manstein's attempts to break through, she had greatly decreased in numbers
  12. +5
    22 May 2023
    Quote: north 2
    to lead the days of battles of PMC Wagner without replacement and rotations, what is this from?


    And where did you get the idea that there were no substitutions and rotations? Of course they were, on both sides. Some divisions of the Wagnerites replaced others - from the same Wagnerians. Therefore, in such a narrow area - so many personnel, they fought in shifts.
    And it is unlikely that only Wagner fought in Artemovsk. There were others, they just talk less about them.
  13. -6
    22 May 2023
    Artyomovsk is the city of Glory of PMC Wagner: let its symbol be the Banner of General Baklanov with the motto: "I look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the next century. Amen."
  14. 0
    22 May 2023
    The capture of Bakhmut-Artemovsk can hardly be attributed to the glory of Russian weapons, but the fortitude and madness of glory is most likely ... Grinding someone else's and one's infantry in millstones for several months can hardly be called a tactical victory .. except perhaps the capture of the intersection of nodal roads ... You can simply keep silent about the command of the Ministry of Defense, only for planning the entire operation they put their heads on the block and part with star epaulettes from the word forever .. Here everything cost only castling ..
  15. +1
    22 May 2023
    No one can clearly answer the question. : "why did some defend and why did others take?"

    All sorts of patriotic blah .... blah about the "symbolic
    the meaning of this village, which no one except hohla can understand "- NOT. THEY CONSUME. They took it because they defended it, but they defended it because they took it.

    But to directly express the idea of ​​​​an agreement is already discrediting? This is not comme il faut .... But arrange a meat grinder and then blame everything on not good Gerasimov - how?

    At one time, Girkin asked the question, but why the hell do we need fortified areas on their own? Are they blocking the way somewhere - there? Where? And when they were built during the "struggle for the Minsk Agreements" - the Armed Forces of Ukraine already knew that the Russian army could not go anywhere else, except ...?
    1. -3
      23 May 2023
      No one can clearly answer the question. : "why did some defend and why did others take?"

      If you are banned in Google, then not only everyone, but no one will be able to answer you.

      Girkin asked a question, but why the hell do we need fortified areas on their own?


      The fortified area is a kind of fortress, due to which the front is protected on the left and right, therefore it is impossible to bypass the fortified area, since you will have to go along the places shot by artillery, and reserves from the fortification will also be sent to the place of the breakthrough. Actually, the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine relies on fortified areas, without taking it, advancement is impossible. Fortifications are not taken by themselves, but to win in the NWO.

      With your level of understanding of tactics, only cook soup.
  16. +1
    22 May 2023
    Artemovsk is a city of glory for Soviet weapons.
    Bakhmut is the city of glory of Russian weapons.
    Bakhmut is an old Russian city.
  17. +4
    22 May 2023
    Fedorov is a nationalist from United Russia! Not Russian weapons, we have a multinational country, not Israel, but Soviet and Russian weapons. The Battle of Stalingrad lasted 200 days and ended with impressive results, in terms of the number of losses of the German army - soldiers and officers, equipment. Thousands of sq. kilometers of territory, the North Caucasus. True, the ending turned out to be not entirely successful, the defeat again near Kharkov, the encirclement in the area of ​​Sinelnikov, Pavlograd. And here is Artyomovsk, a district town of 74 sq. km in 224 days, and such regional centers in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, up to and more, not to mention the whole of Ukraine. We also don’t know the losses on our part, otherwise Victory may come with tears in our eyes.
    1. -6
      22 May 2023
      Apparently the comments should not be read on VO. One tsipso-ta of all stripes. They will also write about the liberation of Mukachevo in the style of "not everything is so simple ..." Ugh, what an abomination .......
      The fact is obvious - Artyomovsk is OUR! Wagner - THE BEST!
      1. +4
        22 May 2023
        Curiously, what would you say if Artemovsk / Bakhmut had to be abandoned, as Krasny Liman, Balakleya and Kherson were left in their time? Tsipsoshniks called out, or "in war, as in war"? Howl ..., sorry, the NWO has not yet ended and the end - she can not see the edge.
  18. 0
    22 May 2023
    For a year and a half of the special operation, any advance of our troops to the west is regarded as an undoubted victory.

    If you follow the logic of the author, then any advance back is a defeat?
    Sadly. If we compare the scale of the warring parties.
  19. +7
    22 May 2023
    The article is correct, they just forgot to mention that the army of the country, which was recently called 404, did not allow the Russian army to capture this city for more than 200 days.
    It is worth reading this carefully for those who continue to believe that Russia can completely capture Ukraine.
    1. -3
      22 May 2023
      Quote: certero
      The article is correct, they just forgot to mention that the army of the country, which was recently called 404, did not allow the Russian army to capture this city for more than 200 days.
      It is worth reading this carefully for those who continue to believe that Russia can completely capture Ukraine.

      If it's like now, it can't.
      If like the Red Army under Stalin, maybe.
      But for this we need our millionth group provided with everything necessary. In addition, order within the country and in power.
  20. -4
    22 May 2023
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    but for Wagner, like not a meat grinder ?! During the assault on fortified areas, the attackers suffer much greater losses. And I didn’t hear about the stampede of the enemy


    With equal qualifications, training, software, etc.
    Did Wagner get air support? And the Armed Forces of Ukraine - on the same scale?
    Who used artillery more actively?

    What fortified areas, what kind of nonsense? In urban conditions, both sides are practically in an equal position, both can use fortifications. Or "Wagner" stormed a certain fortress that stood in an open field?

    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Well, name it. Near Mariupol, 4000 prisoners were taken, most of them after the surrender.


    Of course, of course, idiots in the Armed Forces of Ukraine used the militias exclusively for defense. laughing

    Quote: Stirbjorn
    I met "lieutenants Dubov" at VO, but there are no "Bigler cadets" yet hi - "Oh, you, Budejovitsky Benedek!" lol


    Is it really uncomfortable and hurts your eyes?
    In essence, there is nothing to object to, huh?
    1. 0
      22 May 2023
      In the city, too, some attack, while others defend.
      That is, the attackers have to come out of cover.
  21. +5
    22 May 2023
    Artemovsk is taken, the Wagnerites are great. 224 days of street fighting to push the enemy out of the city. Wagner showed a knack for street fighting. But tactically there were no coverage or powerful breakthroughs in free spaces. The result is political, but from a military point of view, it is not so significant. We still have to defend this Artemovsk. And if the Wagner leaves, our not too motivated infantry after attacks on the flanks, as if under the threat of encirclement, did not leave him. And then it's all for nothing. Artemovsk does not open the road anywhere - a suitcase without a handle. The question is, why did they take it? And why in the summer, without moving anywhere, they littered the fields with millions of shells, arranging a lunar landscape - "grinding" the enemy, and now shell hunger. And why did they hammer on transformer boxes with calibers. Thousands of missiles were spent, but the result? But the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired missiles at ammunition depots and command posts. On the part of Russia, this is a media war, it is necessary to show that we are fighting, in fact, without conducting real hostilities. Yes, the Wagner is fighting, and so are the battles for the forester's hut. They poked their head under Ugledar - they raked it. And this is an important point. We can’t take Avdiivka for a year from where Donetsk is being shelled, this is not a war. And the Ukrainian offensive will be and will be in the south, where the operational-strategic situation is not very pleasant. APU will break through the front and the entire environment, flight. That's when we remember about Wagner, about mediocre spent shells, about war without war.
    1. 0
      22 May 2023
      Wagner alone cannot conduct envelopment and encirclement operations.
      Need help MO. Well, here you understand.
      So Wagner cannot be blamed here. In what conditions they were put, such methods of conducting hostilities were used.
    2. -2
      23 May 2023
      But tactically there were no coverage or powerful breakthroughs in free spaces.

      Then show on the map where the Armed Forces of Ukraine specially left the corridors for a more convenient environment for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

      The question is, why did they take it?

      If you don't know what's going on, why did you come to VO?

      Artemovsk does not open the road anywhere - a suitcase without a handle.
      We can't take Avdiivka for a year

      You have some kind of mistake in the manual, if you took the fortification, then it’s bad and you didn’t take it badly.
      Ask the curator for another manual.
  22. -9
    22 May 2023
    I propose to name the new revived city of Artemovsk Wagner
  23. -4
    22 May 2023
    Well done MEN, heroes!!!! Stay ALIVE and destroy this brown smelly scum.
  24. -5
    22 May 2023
    Maybe it's time to establish medals "For the liberation of Mariupol" and "For the liberation of Artemovsk"?
  25. +4
    22 May 2023
    All the oligarchs are in place, and on both sides. And they get richer and richer. Zelensky is in full health, everything is fine with him and his gang. They also get rich. Deals are spinning, grain, ammonia, gas. In short, everyone is fine.
    P.S. It is only bad for those who are in the graves, who have become disabled, who have lost relatives and friends.
  26. +2
    22 May 2023
    Well, everything! Now, after the capture of the ruins of Artemovsk, it remains to wait for the victorious salute in Moscow, the parade of the winners and the standards of the Ukrainian armies thrown to the foot of the veneer mausoleum (if there are any), and there, you see, the surrender of the current Kiev regime on Russian terms. I understand so?
  27. +4
    22 May 2023
    Artemovsk has long been not just a front-line city, but a symbol of the Russian offensive in the Donbass. Let it be measured, but offensive
    Measured?!
    APU leaves scorched earth behind
    To be honest, this is the result of long, fierce battles.
    In the long term, Artemovsk has only a positive agenda. You can get acquainted with how the Russians are able to restore the liberated cities in Mariupol
    Suppose that in Mariupol this is not so wonderful. However, the main question for the optimistic author is: who will pay for the restoration of everything destroyed?
  28. +2
    22 May 2023
    "Artemovsk is a new city of glory for Russian weapons."

    You drive into Yandex: Battle of Stalingrad - the answer is "125 days and nights"
    You drive in: the battle for Artemovsk: - "Two hundred and twenty-four days"

    Where is Stalingrad, the powerful German army and the previously unknown Artemovsk, not even a regional, but a district center ....
    Moreover, Prigozhin’s statements that in the end the militias fought with the elderly and children from the Armed Forces of Ukraine brought out all the good ....

    So the "new city of glory", you know ....
  29. 0
    22 May 2023
    Thanks Wagner! Finally pressed on
  30. +2
    23 May 2023
    Mariupol was initially blocked by the Russian army from all sides,


    In Mariupol, the Russian troops used the "correct" strategy for liberating cities, first creating a dense encirclement ring with external and internal contours.
    The outer contour expanded, and the inner contour constantly contracted.
    As a result, a city with a population of 400 thousand people was liberated in three months, and the enemy, deprived of the opportunity to receive reserves and ammunition, was demoralized and eventually surrendered.
    Unlike Mariupol, the Artemovsk garrison constantly received fresh reserves, ammunition, food, rotated units.
    With the loss of Artemovsk, the garrison did not surrender, but withdrew from the city, and even hit the flanks north and south of Artemovsk, capturing the dominant heights ....
    The assault on Artemovsk lasted more than 7 months, although this city is 6 times smaller than Mariupol.
    1. -5
      23 May 2023
      In Mariupol, Russian troops used the "correct" strategy

      I will tell you a secret, each operation is analyzed and if there was a successful operation on our part, then they perceive it as an erroneous tactic and change this tactic.

      Unlike Mariupol, the Artemovsk garrison constantly received fresh reserves, ammunition, food, rotated units.

      File a protest with the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Pentagon that they have changed tactics, are actively preventing the encirclement and do not want to fall into the boilers like in Mariupol.
  31. -2
    23 May 2023
    Quote: Ulan.1812
    In the city, too, some attack, while others defend.
    That is, the attackers have to come out of cover.


    And with a shout of "Hurrah" go to the bayonet attack! laughing

    Both attackers and defenders are in an equal position, in fact. Actively changing positions, they fire from shelters (buildings, in particular). Armored vehicles and artillery are equally used (as far as heavy weapons are available).
  32. -3
    23 May 2023
    Quote: certero
    The article is correct, they just forgot to mention that the army of the country, which was recently called 404, did not allow the Russian army to capture this city for more than 200 days.
    It is worth reading this carefully for those who continue to believe that Russia can completely capture Ukraine.


    We do not need Ukraine completely, and there is no such need. What you need (the left bank of the Dnieper) - we will take it, do not hesitate. And in most of the rest of Ukraine there will be a regime that is completely loyal and neutral to the Russian Federation, pragmatic oligarchs will sit in Kyiv, as in the days of Yanukovych.
    So you can forget about the European Union with lacy panties. Ukrainians will have what they had before 2014, it's just that their Zalezhnaya will become smaller.
  33. +2
    25 May 2023
    Dear comrades! Prigozhin officially announced that the PMC "Wagner" in Artemovsk lost about 20 thousand soldiers and officers dead. Just think about this number. Let me remind you, it's the 21st century. It is IMPOSSIBLE to fight with such losses. Why such losses? But because the Russian army is 90% fighting according to the patterns of the 1970s. We do not have modern weapons and systems in the right amount. "Stupid" Americans since the 90s have technically modernized their army 3 times already. Massively. Communication systems, detection, target designation. Technologies of operational interaction between military branches. We are decades behind. It is a fact. And this is the result of the capitalist economy. Russian oligarchs, "who supposedly don't exist," for decades, together with government officials and their relatives, have been diligently "earning" their own yachts, villas, and sporcars. And the army is still the model of 1980... This is very bitter and sad. How many Russian male patriots who could have lived and benefited society died in this meat grinder because of the greed and shortsightedness and outright stupidity of the Russian bourgeoisie? In my opinion, only a clinical idiot will vote in the next elections for the champions of "democracy", "freedom of speech" and "private ownership of production."
  34. -4
    25 May 2023
    Quote: cast iron
    Stupid "Americans since the 90s have already modernized their army technically 3 times. Massively. Communication systems, detection, target designation. Technologies for operational interaction between military branches.


    Examples of a successful (with little blood, a mighty blow) assault by the Yankees on well-fortified cities - in the studio! Well, when a well-armed group, comparable in number (and whose commanders could not be bought, like Iraqi generals), held the defense in the cities.

    Technologies ... of course, they help to keep Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan under effective control.
    Everything is in a bunch at the hegemon, solid "victorias" ... "rambs" are annealed.

    And for some reason, their most dangerous missions are also carried out by PMCs. The loss of which the Yankees do not care about the word at all.
    1. 0
      26 May 2023
      Let's start with the fact that not a single Iraqi general was bought. Saddam Hussein did everything to ensure that his relatives and closest associates, who were personally interested in maintaining the political situation in Iraq, were at the head of the military forces. For some reason, people like you are afraid to admit that the American army is a very effective and well-managed structure. The Americans stormed Baghdad and, for example, Fallujah. They took Baghdad pretty quickly, in Falluja they had to tinker. And most importantly, the American army strategically did everything so that it did not have to storm city after city. She succeeded. The active military campaign in Iraq lasted for a rather short time. Several Republican divisions were quickly defeated along the path of the US troops, and the Iraqi leadership was partially destroyed and partially dispersed. An army without central control is a large, uncontrollable group of people. Therefore, after the destruction of the center of political power, the regular army ceased to exist. It is a fact. So tell your nonsense and fairy tales to yourself over a glass of beer. I don't need to write this nonsense.
  35. -2
    27 May 2023
    Quote: cast iron
    To begin with, not a single Iraqi general was purchased. Saddam Hussein did everything to ensure that his relatives and closest associates, who were personally interested in maintaining the political situation in Iraq, were at the head of the military forces.


    How do you know this?
    Relatives and closest associates can also betray when it smells of kerosene.

    Quote: cast iron
    For some reason, people like you are afraid to admit that the American army is a very effective and well-managed structure. The Americans stormed Baghdad and, for example, Fallujah. They took Baghdad pretty quickly, in Falluja they had to tinker. And most importantly, the American army strategically did everything so that it did not have to storm city after city. She succeeded.


    Controlled - perhaps, but certainly not effective. Who did they fight there in Baghdad? That's just funny. The country, a very small one, was completely exhausted by economic sanctions, the army was actually deprived of heavy weapons and aircraft (due to the fact that for many years it had no spare parts, and wear and tear in local conditions occurs very quickly). Multiple superiority of forces - the Yankees. However, they never completely controlled the territory of Iraq, despite the fact that local conditions were not very convenient for guerrilla operations. The United States has practically lost the war in Iraq, their positions in this country are weak and soon they will finally leave there, as they left Afghanistan earlier. The puppet government that they brought to power to replace Saddam is turning away from them more and more.
    Of course, not everything is explained by a purely military aspect, the United States, first of all, merged in the political and ideological sphere, trying to impose its values ​​by military means. Being very indiscriminate in the use of military force, they alienated even those who could be quite loyal to the Yankees.
    As a result, they gave birth to ISIS, which did not share these values ​​at all.
    Well, if this is considered a success, then there are simply no words - only feelings.

    Watch less Hollywood action movies...
    1. 0
      28 May 2023
      In order not to paint novels here for a long time, I will give you a link to a very interesting video. It is very interesting about the second Iraqi war. About the US Army, about the alignment of forces, etc. Just take your time and look. You, as an interested in military affairs, it will be interesting. Here is the link: https://youtu.be/UPS5EoEfAlo
  36. 0
    30 May 2023
    Quote: cast iron
    In order not to paint novels here for a long time, I will give you a link to a very interesting video.


    Bullshit this commercial from a blogger. They took over Iraq, you see. Only this "captured" Iraq (like once Afghanistan) is increasingly leaving the Yankees. Soon the last ones will leave from there, asking themselves: "what the hell was all this?"

    It is not enough to win a victory on the battlefield, it is necessary to preserve its fruits. And the Yankees have big problems with this. What they have succeeded in specifically is in turning their yesterday's allies into their enemies. Even 15 years ago, I myself would not have believed that the United States would have counters with Turkey and Saudi Arabia. And those times...

    I don’t even know if the American elite has become completely stupid and completely beguiled the shores, or the real rulers there decided to merge the States completely. But why? It seems a little early, Pindorosia has not died yet ...
    1. 0
      30 May 2023
      Why did you even start a conversation about the US Army, if you immediately switch to a dozen other topics? Did you watch the video? Have something to say in essence? What blogger's statements are wrong? Let me remind you that our discussion was about the military successes of the United States on the battlefield, and not in the occupation of countries. This is another topic. The US military machine works quite efficiently and with LESS losses than ours. This is a concrete fact. But it is we who must protect the lives of our soldiers. Our population is shrinking. The increase is mainly due to visitors and annexed territories. But population growth through childbearing is negative. At the same time, in the same USA, among the population growth is higher than in Russia. And at the same time they fight with less losses. It's the 21st century in the yard, and the Russian army is fighting according to the patterns of the 80s. 20 killed for Artemovsk alone. This is the result of a technologically backward army. The lack of technology is compensated by thousands of murdered men of the most productive age.

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