"Daggers": fly more often - it will be cleaner

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"Daggers": fly more often - it will be cleaner

What is a note like this called? Investigation or still "point of view"? The choice is up to the reader, if everything related to the well-aimed hit of the "Dagger" is really not a fake. So read it and try to figure it out... But let's start with a first-person quote.

As for the red lines, let me keep this to myself, because on our part it will mean quite tough actions precisely at those decision-making centers that I have already spoken about and which you mentioned.
But still, this is an area that should be left to the decision, first of all, of the military-political leadership of the country. And those people who deserve appropriate actions of this level on our part, must, of course, first of all draw a conclusion for themselves what they may face if they act, crossing these lines and lines,

– VV Putin at the plenary session of the SPIEF.



The hint of our President was extremely transparent and contained a fairly clear message about what events would follow, and these alleged events did not seem to be long in coming ... The question is, did such events take place and what are they: propaganda canard or cruel, but joyful truth for Russians?

There were exactly 200 officers


The media continues to be full of information that the Russians "Daggers" (hypersonic missiles) destroyed a secret bunker with 200 Western and Ukrainian officers managing communications under NATO command.

Let's analyze whether this is even possible in reality?


From the “Military Review” dossier:

“The Russian hypersonic air-to-surface missile Kinzhal is the latest Russian weapons, which is placed on combat tactical and strategic aircraft, and its range depends on the speed of the carrier itself.

The full name of this weapon is hypersonic aviation the 9-A-7660 Kinzhal missile system, which has a maximum flight range of about 3 kilometers.

Missile type: aeroballistic 9-C-7760.

Warhead weight: 500 kg.

Type of warhead: penetrating high-explosive, high-explosive fragmentation (no exact data) or nuclear.

Damage radius: from 15 thousand square meters. m (data are classified).

Depth of damage (penetration of concrete): from 1,2 meters (data are classified).

Guidance: GLONASS with an optical homing head, as well as an AWACS aviation complex on a carrier.

Carriers: Su-57, MiG-31K, Tu-160, Tu-22M3. Destruction range: 2 km (MiG-000K), 31 km (Tu-3M000).

Maximum speed: hypersonic up to 14 km/h (Mach 688–10).

Flight time: about 10 minutes per 1 km.

Flight altitude: up to 20 km.

Engine: solid propellant, dual-mode starting and marching.

Producer: Kolomna "Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering".

Source: amalantra.ru


Where is that red line?


So how was it possible to break through a concrete armored bunker with a class of protection against a nuclear strike?

60 meters of concrete of this bunker, and according to other sources - and all 120 meters, a nuclear bomb, acting with all its charge force on the total surface of a reinforced concrete structure, will not be able to penetrate, but the "Dagger" - a sting, is a completely different matter - it can, because in the case of the "Dagger" - the principle of a hammered nail works.

Imagine an elephant, it is easily bitten by a mosquito, piercing the thick skin of this huge animal with its thin sting... And now imagine a log that has fallen with its entire surface, for example, on the same elephant - the skin of this creature is unlikely to suffer much from such a blow.

Yes, and the elephant himself, if a mosquito bite with malaria, may not survive in some scenario, but under a log, oddly enough, it will almost certainly survive. And maybe not even scratch.

In our country, they have always been able to make weapons, starting their own artillery history even during the time of the Grand Duke of Moscow Ivan III, which entered its heyday under John IV, the same - the Terrible, continued by Peter I and the whole Demidov dynasty.

The weapons business, based on the unique engineering thought of our ancestors, helped a lot to win in the Great Patriotic War, just remember the weapons of victory: PPSh - G.S. Shpagin, PK - M.T. Kalashnikov, and also about the Thirty-four and " Katyusha, Yakakh, Ilakh, Po and Pe, the elusive underwater Pike and much more.

Are ducks flying?



And everything seems to be smooth, decorous and noble, and even everything coincides - according to the characteristics and indirectly, the fact of the destruction of these "two hundred" is confirmed. And above all - the absolute silence of Western representatives. But something in this whole story does not give me rest.

Just as a professional journalist who has been taught exactly this for years, and since then once and for all has become accustomed to analyzing information and verifying it, avoiding “duck foie gras” in the materials ...

What do you think - was it or wasn't it?
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  1. +2
    April 27 2023 05: 02
    Even if there was no noise in the media, which means they will be afraid. Without even knowing the performance characteristics, we can only guess. But guessing this is not very smart. Who knows all the characteristics, probably can, but the weapon is new, even the designer can make a mistake. Concrete can loosen stupidly from time to time or vice versa.
    1. KCA
      +11
      April 27 2023 05: 13
      Is there something wrong in the article with the characteristics, even if not at 12MAX, but at 6, breaking through only 1.2 meters of concrete? They told about the use of conventional air bombs with the MIG-25, they flew 40 km and did not go into concrete, however, into the ground, by 30 meters, but they definitely did not fall on hypersonic, and maybe not even on supersonic
      1. +34
        April 27 2023 05: 20
        I am not a bloodthirsty person, but a photo with coffins under the stars and stripes brings satisfaction ....
        1. +24
          April 27 2023 09: 10
          This is because on an intuitive level you feel that they are enemies ... And I will tell you: you feel right!
          1. +15
            April 27 2023 09: 41
            For the sake of completeness, I would like to know where it happened, at what point on the ground. When our generals die in the NVO, the full name and the entire biography of a person become known. We are waiting for at least one name of the NATO officer who died in this bunker. Is it possible that Naryshkin's service cannot even dig up such information? We were "fed" by dozens of Western generals in the dungeons of Mariupol, are they the same or different? smile
            1. GIS
              -1
              3 May 2023 12: 49
              I think we will learn from them only from memoirs (whether ours or not ours) ... or maybe they will remove the secrecy stamp earlier. so in 5-10 years.
              or maybe they won’t be filmed at all if the captured NATO members are now actively working for the RF NE ...
              it's all fog of war. there's nothing you can do about it.
              as to whether there were "these bumps" there - I personally am sure that they were.
        2. +6
          April 27 2023 16: 45
          I am a former military man, I doubt it a little, but I wish with all my heart that this was true. am
        3. +1
          April 27 2023 20: 44
          Such regular photos in the American press will make our victory much closer and more inevitable.
      2. +2
        April 27 2023 13: 19
        Quote: KCA
        They told about the use of conventional air bombs with the MIG-25, they flew 40 km and did not go into concrete, however, into the ground, by 30 meters, but they definitely did not fall on hypersonic, and maybe not even on supersonic

        The MiG-25RB was the first in a series of reconnaissance aircraft that carried bomb weapons, including nuclear ones. Maximum mass of bombs. the load was 4000 kg. On 4 MBDZ-U2 support beams with DZU-1 locks (2 under the fuselage and 1 under the consoles), the aircraft can carry bombs in the following options: 4-8 FOTAB-100-80, 8 FAB-500M-62 (or "T" (heat-resistant)) as an option for flights with supersonic speed
        Bombs dropped from the carrier at the beginning of the trajectory have a speed equal to the speed of the carrier.
        1. KCA
          +1
          April 27 2023 15: 15
          Does air resistance in free fall slow down an object dropped on supersonic speed? Especially when planning for a relatively long time?
          1. +1
            April 28 2023 20: 09
            Quote: KCA
            Air resistance in free fall does not slow down an object dropped on supersonic?

            Doesn't gravity accelerate it (the bomb)?
            During WWII, the British created the so-called. "supersonic bomb", dropped from a great height on protected enemy targets. The free-falling bomb accelerated and broke the sound barrier. The bomb was heavy (several tons, now too lazy to specify the details), elongated, spindle-shaped. So the MiG-25RB heat-resistant bombs definitely reached the ground in supersonic. That's why they penetrated so deeply.
        2. +5
          April 27 2023 20: 38
          In Belgorod, a half-ton planning bomb recently fell off from an SU-34 and fell at a street intersection. It hit the ground next to the road and parking lot and exploded. It was lucky that, according to the opinion of the military, the explosion was slowed down. The bomb plunged 10 meters, then exploded. There are videos on the internet. It turned out that the shock wave was mostly upward and there were no dead. True, the passenger car that was next to the funnel flew onto the roof of a one-story store building.
          1. -3
            April 28 2023 08: 22
            Quote: Alexey Lantukh
            In Belgorod, a half-ton planning bomb recently fell off from an SU-34 and fell at a street intersection. It hit the ground next to the road and parking lot and exploded.

            The bomb did not explode, as they wrote, it was removed and destroyed outside the city.
            1. +4
              April 28 2023 09: 32
              Two pieces fell. One detonated. We searched for the second day. Found the next day. Dug up and blown up at the landfill
          2. -1
            April 28 2023 10: 28
            True, the passenger car that was next to the funnel flew onto the roof of a one-story store building
            What surprised me was that in the vidos from the place after the fall (explosion) all the lights are intact and burning, and the car was thrown away .. a very strange and selective blast wave ..
      3. 0
        April 28 2023 10: 50
        FROM 1,2 meters of concrete was written.
        True, then it is not clear whether 1 meter or 0,5 meters will not break through something
      4. 0
        April 30 2023 22: 33
        conventional air bombs were told, they flew 40 km and did not go into concrete, however, into the ground, by 30 meters, but they definitely fell not in hypersonic, and maybe not even in supersonic

        Such things are not difficult to calculate, even approximately, her very impressive Ek
        The formula is standard Ek=mv2/2 Considering the entire mass of the rocket and the speed, let it be 10m. 25.4 Megajoules. For comparison, BetAB-500 is approximately Ek = from 16 to 30 Kilojoules. up to 2 meters of concrete, three meters of soil, well, these are official data. It looks like the truth.
        The US used 20 gram rods in Vietnam, dropping them from bombers. Rods called "Lazy Dog" pierced through cars, people.
    2. +6
      April 27 2023 08: 27
      Quote: Shark Lover
      Without even knowing the performance characteristics, we can only guess.

      Exactly. wink
      Who is capable of hitting a concrete bunker?
      The one that opposes even a vigorous loaf
      Over two hundred people so about 200
      And level the funnel behind you on the spot
      What did our president scare in Internet cartoons?
      That's right: this is our "Dagger" analogue.
      He will fly up to the object, look with a squint
      Slow down, uncover the puncher with a drill
      And start like that neighbor on the weekend morning
      To take out the brains of everyone with vibro-hyper-sound
      About five days later, maybe even earlier
      The enemy garrison will lie unconscious
      Who hangs himself in a noose, and who shoots his temple
      Just to no longer suffer from a dagger drill
      How did the designers come to the sadism of this?
      Can tell which of them after a glass of the third
      What's in tunics and jackets, hats and caps
      Most of the team lives in high-rise buildings.
    3. +4
      April 27 2023 08: 54
      Without even knowing the performance characteristics, we can only guess.
      One media outlet describes how it was done, whether it was so or not, how it was actually carried out, only the RF Ministry of Defense can report:
      ... launched even from a distance of 2 thousand kilometers, the "Dagger" (warhead - 500 kg!) Goes to the target at a crazy speed (10 or even 15 times faster than sound!) - while there are no such air defense systems in the world that could intercept him. And also the "Dagger" is a high-precision, sniper weapon - it has a deviation from the center of the target - only 1 meter! He jumped into the "well" of the entrance group for many tens of meters, and after him another ...
      hi
      1. 0
        April 27 2023 12: 58
        Quote: Gomunkul
        Without even knowing the performance characteristics, we can only guess.
        One media outlet describes how it was done, whether it was so or not, how it was actually carried out, only the RF Ministry of Defense can report:
        ... launched even from a distance of 2 thousand kilometers, the "Dagger" (warhead - 500 kg!) Goes to the target at a crazy speed (10 or even 15 times faster than sound!) - while there are no such air defense systems in the world that could intercept him. And also the "Dagger" is a high-precision, sniper weapon - it has a deviation from the center of the target - only 1 meter! He jumped into the "well" of the entrance group for many tens of meters, and after him another ...
        hi

        It sounds like science fiction, but the law is forced to believe (otherwise it is discrediting the army), so the question in the article is about nothing ...
        1. +5
          April 28 2023 01: 51
          Quote: parma
          It sounds like science fiction, but the law is forced to believe (otherwise it is discrediting the army), so the question in the article is about nothing

          And let's count. First, let me remind you that energy is equal to the mass of the body multiplied by the square of the speed. This is where it starts. Assuming a speed of sound of 340 ms, then subsonic ammunition even for 300 ms will have 90000 units (excluding mass), but at Mach 6, we square it for 2000 ms and ... 4000000! Those only speed increased the energy by more than 40 times! A household example, I think that many people have drilled a concrete wall in an apartment and how much effort it requires! Even a perforator! But the gun drives the dowel into the same concrete in a split second and without visible effort!
    4. +2
      April 27 2023 13: 50
      It is worth saying about the bunker that the ZKP of the Soviet districts where they are located is known, like all the crap with strategic missilemen. That is, they probably could not bunch up there. New ZKPs to dig and master are not the sea. Black digging is troublesome and EXPENSIVE.
      So any new building with the appropriate quality is possible.
    5. 0
      April 29 2023 10: 08
      Concrete only strengthens from time to time, the final maximum strength is achieved after decades if the technology is followed. And believe me, it was not Armenians who built such structures in Soviet times.
  2. 0
    April 27 2023 05: 40
    Surprising is the lack of reaction in the Western media, you see there is no smoke without fire. As a rule, they don’t go into their pocket for a word, they can simultaneously give out any nonsense on command in order to portray the matter in the right light. Recently, it was added that pro-Ukrainian divers on a yacht blew up the northern streams.
    1. +2
      April 27 2023 06: 39
      Rather, on the contrary. In addition to the Western, there is another press, Asian for example. Since everyone is silent, this fact did not exist.
  3. +9
    April 27 2023 05: 55
    Maybe I'm wrong. Everyone makes their choice. We made ours, the Americans made theirs. How long will the confrontation be? For this to end, we need to prove our worth. The United States has almost all international organizations subordinate to it. Where we entered. And these organizations will influence our country with a carrot and a stick. We must prove that in military and economic affairs we are doing even better than before. There will be a cold war, but it's better than a hot one. If we go the same way, it will be the worst way. Everyone respects only the strong in every sense.
    1. -5
      April 27 2023 06: 25
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      we need to prove our worth.

      You did not understand Lavrov's phrase the other day "The United States does not have the right to speak for the whole world." The time when we proved - to international organizations - ended with our exclusion from them. Now the States need to prove that they have the right to at least talk about something outside of their own NATO bloc. It is the Russian-Chinese bloc that does not recognize their opinion about any event outside the United States and NATO, and the rest followed, such as South Africa leaving the ICC
  4. +11
    April 27 2023 06: 21
    What do you think - was it or wasn't it?

    One thing is indisputable, even when they howled about the "massive use of daggers" on infrastructure facilities - I immediately wrote here - nonsense. The dagger is, in principle, unsuitable for destroying infrastructure precisely. It is trite to undermine it on the surface in order to blow away, for example, a field with transformers.
    But they were used, as it turned out.
    The second thing that is indisputable - not a single idiot in a city systematically subjected to raids / shelling - WILL NOT sit in a building, for example, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.
    Actually the logical conclusion is clear. The point is not that. Americans or non-Americans, the targets were clearly significant. The easiest way to prove this is that if the rockets flew into milk, the entire network would be full of photographs of craters in the forest with neighing over oblique Russians, well, or there unexploded debris. Ukraine is silent. Why? because they didn't find it funny - that's the only explanation
    1. -1
      April 28 2023 15: 18
      Another explanation is that nothing arrived at all, and they are too lazy to dig a funnel
  5. +2
    April 27 2023 08: 00
    All power to the Soviets!

    Quote: YAR
    What do you think - was it or wasn't it?

    It happened more than once. Whoever comes to us with a sword will die from the "Dagger".
  6. +4
    April 27 2023 08: 14
    What was this article about? As my grandmother used to say: "if only not to move."
  7. +4
    April 27 2023 08: 19
    There were exactly 200 officers
    Where exactly? And when did the "Dagger" arrive? What year's event are we discussing?
    1. +2
      April 27 2023 08: 48
      Where exactly? And when did the "Dagger" arrive? What year's event are we discussing?
      Let's talk about this news:
      On March 9, the Russian Ministry of Defense published a modest message on its official Telegram channel stating that in response to the terrorist actions organized by the Kiev regime in the Bryansk region on March 2, the Russian army launched a massive "retaliation strike." The ministry emphasized that the Kinzhal hypersonic missile system was used.
      hi
      1. 0
        April 27 2023 12: 23
        hi Now, May is coming soon, it was necessary to point out to the author, otherwise some "secrets of the Madrid court."
  8. +3
    April 27 2023 08: 36
    Quote from Bingo
    The dagger is, in principle, unsuitable for destroying infrastructure precisely. It is trite to undermine it on the surface in order to blow away, for example, a field with transformers.


    Difficult does not mean impossible. By the way, you can undermine and above the surface, using cluster munitions. It's not really clear why? There are cheaper means to hit the transformers, "daggers" are too expensive.
  9. +13
    April 27 2023 08: 46
    Tiktok-level article of the "mom's expert" level. The author forgot the main thing - "put likes in the comments"
  10. +2
    April 27 2023 09: 14
    Considering how many possible reports there were, And that the source is some Greek media, and that there is no noise about the death in the Western or Ukrainian media - this seems to be untrue news.

    Similar "victories" were in the media many times - stalled Amer's destroyers from the flight of an aircraft with electronic warfare (I met a total of 3 cases), for example.
  11. +1
    April 27 2023 10: 14
    Specifically, this is the Greek edition of Pronews. All news sources refer to this publication. No one else gave any information on this case. As a result, we have a little information from the RF Ministry of Defense about the strike and the subsequent leak from the Greeks. The number of those killed varies from 200 to 300 people. Apparently officers. Affiliation - Poland, USA, Great Britain, Ukraine are mainly mentioned. Ranks are senior officers. The possibility of finding a general staff is allowed.
    1. 0
      April 27 2023 13: 20
      And to these 200-300 generals, you also need a service staff! Not a single general was sitting there! Although it is doubtful to collect so many generals in a heap. Well, maybe one, two or three. After all, someone is leading! And it’s not a fact that personally Zelensky or Zaluzhny. Although with Musk's companions, generals can sit in any country in the world at a safe distance. Information is collected in real time.
  12. +2
    April 27 2023 10: 15
    When there are no victories, they are invented. Either Choles penetrated the front line of the population, or they wave daggers.
  13. +4
    April 27 2023 10: 29
    60 meters of concrete of this bunker, and according to other sources - and all 120 meters, a nuclear bomb, acting with all its charge force on the total surface of a reinforced concrete structure, will not be able to penetrate, but the "Dagger" - a sting, is a completely different matter - it can, because in the case of the "Dagger" - the principle of a hammered nail works.

    1. A nuclear bomb of the appropriate power will turn a bunker with walls of more than 120 meters of concrete into magma when it explodes on its surface and no penetration is needed. She'll just make a crater in its place and destroy everything in that crater.
    2. Iskander has the necessary kinetic energy to break through 120 meters of concrete with a non-nuclear warhead, albeit with difficulty. But it should hit with very little charge or no charge at all and will only affect the kinetic energy of the impact on the target. The armored action will be orders of magnitude less than after a nuclear strike, and you need to very accurately determine the location of the target and then hit it very accurately.
    1. 0
      April 27 2023 13: 39
      First, in fact, you need to find out exactly how many meters of concrete are actually there and how the bunker is arranged and what exactly arrived. If 120 meters of concrete is 15 floors with ceilings of 5 meters of concrete, the dagger could well break through a couple of floors and kill a couple of dozen generals. And if one armor-piercing one broke through 10 floors, and the second into the same hole - thermobaric, then you really can go a hundred or two away. Too little information to seriously discuss anything.
  14. -1
    April 27 2023 13: 02
    was or was not?

    As they said in one film, the truth is on a completely different occasion - "both that and the other are unprovable."
  15. -8
    April 27 2023 13: 18
    Fake is obvious. So exactly to get there, and even exactly when there is a meeting? Break 60 meters? Konashenkov does not spare hundreds of infidels a day - he is silent, he does not want to disgrace himself at all!
    1. +5
      April 27 2023 16: 14
      And what are the claims against Konashenkov? The grunts are constantly trying to memorize him, but according to the results of accurate calculations, it turns out that his numbers are the most accurate.
  16. +3
    April 27 2023 13: 20
    At first we were told about the NATO generals in Mariupol, now another tale has appeared.
  17. +3
    April 27 2023 13: 24
    Damn, what kind of nonsense is written in the data source about the dagger.
    Well, the dagger does not climb into any bomb bay. On any suspension, except for the individual, designed only for a specially modified MiG-31, the Dagger is not hung.
    And so it is with everything else
  18. 0
    April 27 2023 14: 10
    What do you think - was it or wasn't it?


    Certainly it was.
    All known facts support this.
    Well, for example, the number 200. Exactly two hundred "two hundredths". It's impossible to come up with this, if they had come up with it, they would never have taken such a round figure for "credibility".
    At the same time, not a single wounded man, which only adds additional credibility - all the wounded would inevitably be buried under the rubble of the bunker.

    In our country, they have always been able to make weapons, starting their artillery history back in the time of the Grand Duke of Moscow Ivan III, which entered its heyday under Ivan IV, the same one - the Terrible


    The maximum flourishing of artillery art occurred under the son of Ivan the Terrible - Fedor. Under him, the famous Tsar Cannon was made.
  19. BAI
    0
    April 27 2023 14: 18
    of course, for themselves, first of all, to draw a conclusion about what they may encounter if they act, crossing these lines and lines,

    And they concluded that nothing threatens them. Russia is bluffing.
    And this bluff makes nuclear war inevitable - sooner or later the West will drive Russia into a corner and she will be forced to snap or disappear from the world map
    1. -4
      April 27 2023 14: 47
      And this bluff makes nuclear war inevitable - sooner or later the West will drive Russia into a corner and she will be forced to snap or disappear from the world map


      Of course, I could be wrong, but in my opinion there is something messed up in the logic?

      Just as a result of a nuclear war, Russia will disappear from the world map (of course, along with a couple of Western countries). But until such a war has begun, there is still a chance for the continuation of the existence of Russia.
      And since the leadership of Russia is not at all interested in the disappearance of Russia, this makes the start of a nuclear war by us the first absolutely unrealistic.
  20. +1
    April 27 2023 16: 13
    The "Dagger" did not penetrate the entire rock mass, it most likely flew into the mine itself, where the elevator is located. Apparently the plan of the bunker was known. After such an arrival, hardly anyone will survive.
  21. +1
    April 27 2023 17: 17
    I don’t understand how a rocket can penetrate 60 meters of concrete? After all, it will simply collapse upon impact, it’s not a solid piece of metal and not even an air bomb—the hull, warhead, detonators will collapse. Maybe the specialists will explain how this is possible?
  22. +1
    April 27 2023 17: 19
    Most likely it was! But, hardly, exactly 200. The figure is approximate. And why they are silent is understandable. Just yakknut - and everything will come out. Therefore, they are silent, like fish. Mattress covers are masters of rubbing glasses.
  23. -1
    April 27 2023 19: 47
    What do you think - was it or wasn't it?
    Common duck... winked
  24. +2
    April 27 2023 21: 01
    "Dagger" breaks through concrete due to kinetic energy, and in its formula, speed is squared. So, in comparison with free-falling concrete-piercing bombs, its penetration should be at least an order of magnitude greater. Another question is whether the strength of the hull is enough for the warhead to reach the required depth in working condition. But we can only guess about this.
  25. 0
    April 27 2023 23: 41
    I would like to destroy such a headquarters. But, it is difficult to hide the instantaneous death of Western staff officers, especially since their countries are not in official hostilities with the Russian Federation. So the information had to leak out. But, alas, she has been gone for several months.
  26. +3
    April 28 2023 00: 00
    But I’m interested in another question: is there an emergency exit in such bunkers? If not, then even if the dagger breaks through 50-60 meters, everyone who is deeper will simply be walled up there. In addition, life support systems will probably be destroyed: ventilation, power supply, etc. Although, maybe there are some autonomous sources there, in any case, they should be. I am not familiar with the arrangement of such structures. In general, my opinion: the blow could have taken place, but whether the inhabitants were over two hundred or not depends on the design of the structure. And in general, it’s not entirely clear to me where such information about 120 meters of concrete comes from? There is no information about the location of the object in the news, so it’s impossible to say for sure what it is: the former ZKP of the district, the old missile silo, some kind of remake or something else.
    Regarding this article:
    Investigation or still "point of view"?

    Neither one nor the other. The investigation assumes some conclusions based on the information received. I didn't see any output.
    The author's point of view can be expressed as follows: "hell knows." In general, there is no point of view as such.
    Well, actually, the first question in the article:
    What is a note like this called?

    New genre: "hell knows".
  27. 0
    April 28 2023 00: 42
    Let's leave the Greeks alone.
    "Tallboy" exploded right in the tunnel, breaking through 18 m of rocks.
    A five-ton Tallboy bomb, falling from a height of 7-8 km, reached the surface at supersonic speed and penetrated the ground to a depth of 30 meters. The seismic waves produced by the underground explosion of this bomb destroyed buried structures. An even greater effect was achieved with the use of the 10-ton Grand Slam bomb.
    In search of an alternative, the Americans turned to the idea of ​​dispersing a bomb by accelerating the fall of bombs with a rocket engine. Calculations showed that such a rocket bomb could have a penetrating ability comparable to the Tallboy, with much smaller dimensions and weight and a lower drop height.
    The rocket bomb was 5,3 meters long with a diameter of 280 mm and a mass of 2000 kg. It consisted of three sections. The first - the head - was a penetrating warhead made of extra strong steel with a charge of 230 kg of explosives. The second section of the bomb was a booster solid rocket engine, consisting of 19 separate powder cartridges from 3-inch unguided rockets. The third section of the bomb included stabilizers and an ignition mechanism.
    Disney Bomb (officially Disney Bomb, officially the “4500-pound concrete-piercing / missile bomb”) is a two-ton anti-bunker bomb with an accelerator rocket developed by Royal Navy in collaboration with the US Air Force during World War II. The nickname is related to the propaganda film made by Disney Studios.
    The combustion of fuel in the engine lasted 3 seconds, during which he accelerated the bomb to a speed of about 440 m / s (Mach 1,29). Combat use showed that an accelerating bomb pierced a layer of reinforced concrete 4,5 m.
  28. 0
    April 28 2023 07: 35
    The chubaty little article scribbled - the goal was to settle doubts, for a start, then denial, etc., thereby leveling the spiritual uplift from the results, well, there was nothing like that.
    NLP is being knocked down like a chisel, and then, with a smart look, they begin to assent.
  29. 0
    April 28 2023 07: 44
    Quote: Polite Moose
    Quote: Shark Lover
    Without even knowing the performance characteristics, we can only guess.

    Exactly. wink
    Who is capable of hitting a concrete bunker?
    The one that opposes even a vigorous loaf
    Over two hundred people so about 200
    And level the funnel behind you on the spot
    What did our president scare in Internet cartoons?
    That's right: this is our "Dagger" analogue.
    He will fly up to the object, look with a squint
    Slow down, uncover the puncher with a drill
    And start like that neighbor on the weekend morning
    To take out the brains of everyone with vibro-hyper-sound
    About five days later, maybe even earlier
    The enemy garrison will lie unconscious
    Who hangs himself in a noose, and who shoots his temple
    Just to no longer suffer from a dagger drill
    How did the designers come to the sadism of this?
    Can tell which of them after a glass of the third
    What's in tunics and jackets, hats and caps
    Most of the team lives in high-rise buildings.


    The fate awaits you, gentlemen
    Monica Lewinsky
    There was and always will be Crimea
    Only Russian


    This is awesome too!!!!
  30. +2
    April 28 2023 08: 57
    Quote: puzoter
    First, in fact, you need to find out exactly how many meters of concrete are actually there and how the bunker is arranged and what exactly arrived. If 120 meters of concrete is 15 floors with ceilings of 5 meters of concrete, the dagger could well break through a couple of floors and kill a couple of dozen generals. And if one armor-piercing one broke through 10 floors, and the second into the same hole - thermobaric, then you really can go a hundred or two away. Too little information to seriously discuss anything.


    Yes, there could be a couple of meters of concrete. Where did 120 meters come from - HZ.
    Most likely, this is just the depth at which the shelter was located. Perhaps, the former mine / adit was taken as its basis, and therefore the depth is rather big. The upper vault is a couple of meters of concrete, above - rock, possibly loose (sandstone, shale, etc.) and soil.
    The warhead "Dagger" did not have to penetrate all the way to the shelter. Having gone deeper into the rock (approximately 20 meters), the warhead went off. The shockwave from the explosion could have caused a collapse, burying those in the shelter alive.
  31. 0
    April 28 2023 10: 13
    Cast a shadow on the wattle fence. You are not a journalist, a journalist. Like "For" but through the fifth point. More bullshit and doubt. More than 200 two hundredths, and he has doubts. Do not make my slippers laugh, they are already dying from such pseudo-journalists and patriots. It's disgusting to read this crap.
  32. 0
    April 28 2023 11: 30
    The combustion of fuel in the engine lasted 3 seconds, during which he accelerated the bomb to a speed of about 440 m / s (Mach 1,29). Combat use showed that an accelerating bomb pierced a layer of reinforced concrete 4,5 m.

    Such rocket bombs were also hit by the USSR in World War II. Both concrete-piercing and armor-piercing.
    440 m / s is the normal final speed for armor-piercing ammunition.
    Problems begin at speeds of impact into an obstacle of more than 700-800 m / s.
  33. 0
    April 28 2023 20: 30
    And what’s wrong with that. It’s a pity that our special propaganda doesn’t work at all from the word. Where are the radio stations broadcasting day and night about how this moral Zelensky sells Ukraine wholesale and retail to the Poles and his advisers steal money from the West allocated for the war. Why is all of Ukraine not littered with copies of military tickets of dead Ukrainian soldiers thanks to their mediocre commanders. With panoramic views of Ukrainian cemeteries. Why are there no addresses of families and other coordinates of sadists who kill our captured soldiers. and sums of money for their heads. For some reason, we decided to honestly agitate our bloodthirsty enemy. The enemy does not play, as we all have already seen and made sure of the humane rules of war .. Our leaflets and actions in this direction are always somehow straightforward, ideologically sustained. For decomposition enemy troops, it is necessary and possible to allow provocations, forgeries, lies to the rescue, but all means are good on the ideological and propaganda front to decompose the enemy troops, I repeat at the front and the war with our insidious, bloodthirsty, animal-cowardly enemy. To fight honestly and honestly agitate him as already Time has shown that these are thrown forces and means to the wind. It must be intimidated, intimidated, demoralized, confused, decomposed and destroyed. This is the only correct way.
  34. 0
    April 29 2023 10: 22
    Most likely, the depth is greatly exaggerated, and the very fact of a dagger strike at the meeting place of the NATO military is quite real.
  35. +1
    April 29 2023 10: 42
    I read all the comments of sofa experts and laugh quietly! What 120 meters of concrete, are you guys!? You get up from the sofa and go to the window, visually estimate these 120 meters !!!! No one builds shelters like this anywhere else (except for rocks in the mountains). We can talk about deepening the shelter 120 meters from the surface of the earth, and there is much less concrete there. I have been and seen with my own eyes how everything is arranged in such shelters and concrete is not the most important thing there (although there is a lot of it). It can really save from a direct hit by a vigorous bomb (well, maybe not the most powerful). But from the huge kinetic energy applied to one point is not a fact. So I don’t know if it’s a duck or not, but it’s really quite possible.
  36. 0
    April 29 2023 13: 41
    "Daggers": fly more often, it will be cleaner
    What do you think, did it or didn't it?

    The article is about nothing. Author, I thought that you would answer was or was not. And you ask us.