The West is betting on the February-2 scenario

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The West is betting on the February-2 scenario
Pavel Ryzhenko. Farewell to the convoy


What the West shows


The International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague published on its website a release ordering the arrest of Putin. At the same time, another court is being prepared in the same direction, a special one for crimes on the territory of Ukraine. And this court, unlike the ICC, which is not recognized by the United States either, will be organized by the Americans. In principle, Biden has already recognized the ICC's decision as justified.



You can, of course, give up on this decision, as well as on other former "red lines" - mass deliveries weapons ukroreikh, strike on the Crimean bridge, destruction of the Northern Streams, regular shelling and strikes on the provinces of the Russian Federation, strikes on our strategic aviation, the supply of increasingly heavy weapons, etc. To say that this does not concern us.

The main thing is what the collective West shows. Confidence in victory. Therefore, legal grounds are being created for the results of the Ukrainian campaign. Putin was identified as the next Milosevic, Gaddafi, Saddam. Or if you remember history Russian Empire - for the role of Tsar Nicholas II, who put a cadre army in battles with the Germans and was not ready for the fact that the top would simply merge him.

The West is working out a scenario of gradual, controlled destabilization of the Russian Federation, the destruction of the entire Russian world (Russian Federation, Ukraine, Belaya Rus, Transnistria and adjacent regions). A bet on a split and demoralization of the beau monde, which does not want to really fight with the West, since spiritually, mentally, physically (capital, property) is part of it. Scenario February-2, when possible conspirators will try to bring to power a man like Kerensky, Gorbachev or Navalny.

All this will traditionally be accompanied by the country's immersion in turmoil. All the contradictions accumulated in the Russian Federation for more than 30 years will break out. The country will again be divided into national bantustans and banana republics. permanent civil war. Taking into account the fact that it is already underway, Russian Great Russians are chopping Russian Little Russians on the Ukrainian front.

In the global information field The Russian Federation has already been declared an "evil empire", "Mordor". We have a society that is still immersed in the haze of consumption and hedonism (enjoyment, completely forgetting about civilizational, state and national tasks), this still does not see. Western society has been screwed up no worse than during the previous world wars. Even more powerful, given the growing role of the media, the emergence of the Internet and social networks. Everyone is waiting for a Hollywood happy ending: the good Uncle Sam must punish the bad "northern barbarians." The West is in the next "crusade" to the East, and many of us have not yet understood this. The more terrible will be the insight.

Scenario February-2


The year of confrontation in the Russian Ukraine shows that The Russian Federation was driven into the trajectory of the Russian Empire during the Russo-Japanese and German campaigns. Heavy positional struggle, which eventually leads to internal confusion. Resources, including a cadre army that could resist the rotten beau monde, Vlasov-Westerners, who want to keep Russia as a cultural, economic periphery-colony of the western metropolis, burn out and burn out. Demoralization occurs, as armies often tie their hands, prevent them from doing everything they can.

It is obvious that Westerners inside the Russian Federation are clearly leading the case to the scenario of 1917 or 1991. So, there is no clear goal and objectives of the campaign. As a result, the people who first supported the operation against the Ukrainian Nazis do not understand why all this. Including worsening quality of life, falling consumption levels. So it was during the First World War: first jingoistic patriotism, then apathy, irritation, and already the “traitor queen”, “fool king”, etc. After all, for the bulk of Russian citizens in 1914-1917. the straits and Galicia did not mean anything, as now "hohland". Why, why? Clear goals, no answers.

For more than a year now, Moscow has been constantly making deals, agreements, extraditing the Azov Nazis, showing through all channels that it is ready to negotiate on minimal terms. That contributes to enemy propaganda and again has a demoralizing effect on the Russian public. It also shows the weakness of the Kremlin, the uncertainty of the Russian beau monde. Hence the decision of the ICC, like the old "red lines".

Government propaganda assures that everything is going according to plan and even ahead of schedule. But there are fewer and fewer believers. Therefore, when all the official myths of the Russian Federation collapse, the disappointment and indignation of society will be very strong, which will play into the hands of the pro-Western "fifth column". And state-owned paid propagandists will instantly change their color on the fly, again become liberals, Westerners or nationalists (Siberian, Ural, Far Eastern, etc.).

So that nothing changes at the front and positional felling goes on, no changes in the military leadership. Although, as we remember from the history of the Great Patriotic War, Stalin changed, sent to rear positions, and sometimes severely punished the commanders of directions, fronts and armies when disasters occurred at the front. At the same time, thousands of missiles were used for secondary purposes, such as energy. Although they would be enough to defeat the enemy's command centers, headquarters, knock out junction stations, bridges and tunnels, sharply worsening the enemy's supply. Also, the enemy air force and air defense were not suppressed, which would allow creating a situation of complete air supremacy - and dramatically changing the situation on the front line in our favor. That is, the army should be ground down in a positional struggle, as well as the Donbass infantry, which most understands the meaning of the struggle for the Russian world, and at the beginning of the February-2 scenario, it should be turned off from the players, demoralized by “successes”.

Other problems and issues arise from the preparation of the February scenario: the quality of mobilization measures; year of struggle - where hundreds and thousands of Russians drones(?); the absence of the transfer of industry to war footing, the beginning of a real new industrialization; continuation of liberal policy in the field of finance and economy, huge losses of capital, its export from the country on an even larger scale than before the special operation; gold leak; preservation of the peacetime regime in the border regions, which are essentially in the frontline zone; open borders, the loss of many thousands of potential soldiers; no changes in domestic policy, no improvement of the leading cadres; the efforts of volunteers and enthusiasts slow down, interfere with them ... and much more.

Another move to prepare for the turmoil is the formation of various national and regional divisions and units. They are autonomous, primarily subject to their leadership. In the same direction, various PMCs - corporate, oligarchic, regional. Remembering the experience of the First World War - the Ukrainization of formations and units of the Russian army, the Czechoslovak Corps, etc., this is military preparation for the consequences of the collapse at the front and in the rear. There is no need for illusions, all sorts of national and private squads are not to defeat the Kyiv regime, but to prepare for a bloody internal slaughter. Oligarchs and regional princelings need their squads.

What else can the Supreme Commander do in order not to become the new Nicholas II? Stalin's experience - a tough purge of the beau monde, the ruling elite, pro-Western Vlasovites. Full frame update. The people are completely supportive. The solution to the problem of privatization is the return to the people and the state of strategic industries and enterprises. Reliance on the people - the vertical of power is strengthened by the horizontal, that is, the Zemstvo Councils, which take responsibility for local affairs and send their representatives to the provincial, regional Soviets and the All-Union Council.

To show the collective West that we will fight to the death. Again prove their right to exist on Earth. That Little Rus' is the Russian land. Was and is!
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  1. -15
    20 March 2023 05: 16
    The West lives in its own parallel world, where it wins. After the message to the world from Putin V.V. and Xi Jinping before the meeting today, which are not at all included in those predictions of the West about a future meeting. The West will either come out of its cocoon of lies, or most likely will remain there. It will simply ignore the meeting, as if it never happened. It’s more convenient for the West. fly. The incident has been exhausted. And there is no need for any revolutions, this is not 1917, but 2023, as soon as fermentation begins in our country, it will immediately fly in full. We must win on the backlog that we have. considering that we are losing in Ukraine. Well, let them continue to think so. It’s interesting where we got the components for the production of UAVs, it’s not Iran that supplies them. Israel, the United States will simply stop financing them, and Nataniyah will give the order to strike Iran for this. The United States does not need such an alliance between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Biden is a vindictive old man. speeches. And we are waiting for squeals from the West, which may not be. Ukraine is by no means in the first place in our joint geopolitics with China. At the expense of Poland yesterday. The Poles in their repertoire are provocateurs, this is a signal for NATO, are you ready to support us if Russia will win, otherwise the wording of Article 5 is somehow unclear. So let's see what happens next. But I suspect that the United States will disown the idea of ​​​​Poland, like hell from incense.
    1. +13
      20 March 2023 07: 15
      I didn’t understand your thesis .. “It’s good that they GAVE a partial mobilization ...” That is, we will not get out of external control? And yes, the incident with the UAV has not been settled. The next day, another one flew there, though with the Transponder. Meeting with Xin? yes, in the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, the General Staff there are overstayed ..
      1. +14
        20 March 2023 08: 15
        1. Nicholas 2 the Bloody did everything to make February 1917 and the inevitable October 1917 happen.
        2. What is happening today is also the result of oligarchic capitalism. Lack of a coherent attractive socio-economic idea. If you want "Russian dream".
        3. Tellingly, both the West and the authorities appeal to the oligarchy.
        1. -2
          20 March 2023 11: 16
          The West has no reason to ruin the Russian Federation. We are not looking for enemies and clowns there. sad
      2. -9
        20 March 2023 08: 48
        dmi.pris 1. Mobilization, always masked, we used the results of our gestures and redeployment, disguised it as this. Officially mobilized on the report to the supreme 317 thousand. This is official. hi
        1. +12
          20 March 2023 09: 21
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Mobilization, always masked, we, using the results of our gestures and redeployments, disguised it as this.

          In early September, the Ukrainians began to advance on Kharkov. A few days later, Nebenzya mumbled at the UN that there was no breakthrough, and the Ukrainians were only able to take a couple of villages. On September 21, mobilization began. Kherson was left 2 months after it began. Good disguise with the loss of territories declared Russian!
        2. -1
          20 March 2023 10: 25
          They mask the numbers. And the fact itself, how to disguise it? Yes, and there are a lot of opinions that this is not enough. In the light of the current situation at the front hi
          1. -1
            20 March 2023 10: 53
            So for the topic of mobilization. In Norway there were exercises and a reason, a response to the formation of the "Karelian Corps" by us. And as NATO members cunningly called the "Karelian Corps".
            1. +3
              21 March 2023 03: 35
              Quote: tralflot1832

              tralflot1832 (Andrey S.)
              Yesterday, 10: 53
              Н

              And what's wrong? It was stated that a corps was being formed, on the remains of the 6th (if memory serves) army. Yes, they all understand only one thing: brute physical force! If shorter until they get a scent.
  2. +38
    20 March 2023 05: 16
    lack of transfer of industry to war footing
    And if there is no industry, then what should be translated? Three wineries, a fish cannery, a clothing factory, a plant for precision and mechanical products, two ship repair plants and food industry enterprises, have fallen into oblivion in our county town. What should be transferred to military rails? And the most important question .Here the whole industry has disappeared, in the town, whose hands are the work? Fifth column, right? You are the authors, you no longer know what to write, the fifth column, military rails, there is no ideology .. Do you yourself believe in what you write?
    1. +7
      21 March 2023 19: 35
      There was a large city-forming plant in our city. Withstood the Yeltsin turmoil, and Putin's rule is not. Only ruins are visible from the window. So what is there to transfer to military rails?
      1. +4
        23 March 2023 20: 00
        When I go to the clinic, I pass by an electric vacuum plant, there is no plant, only ruins.
    2. +2
      22 March 2023 21: 32
      Three wineries for one county town?! I respect! So they must be immediately restored and transferred to a military footing.
  3. +43
    20 March 2023 05: 16
    What is Stalin's experience? What is a tough purge? None of this will happen. No one will "clean" himself.
    1. -8
      20 March 2023 12: 34
      And whom did Stalin "cleanse"? In his immediate circle, Khrushchev was an open Banderist. And it didn't bother anyone.
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    2. +10
      20 March 2023 17: 44
      And the most interesting thing is that each of these authors is sure that they will definitely not clean it up. Although, unnecessarily strictly speaking, here at least half of the site (including, perhaps, me) can be scoured.
      1. -1
        20 March 2023 21: 38
        Quote: Plate
        And the most interesting thing is that each of these authors is sure that they will definitely not clean it up. Although, unnecessarily strictly speaking, here at least half of the site (including, perhaps, me) can be scoured.

        At least half of the site does not have any ideology at all!

        In the 90s they "drowned" against the communists - for democracy, perestroika, glasnost.
        After 30 years, having lived these 30 years under the ruling classes of oligarchs and officials, they "woke up" and sang a song about social society and the injustice of privatization.

        The type of the majority on the forum is well described in Turgenev's "Fathers and Sons". This is the eternal opposition of oneself to any power - the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, the Russian Federation - and the nihilism of everything and everything!

        In most cases, this is the result of a lack of a good education and a well-formed civic position. As a result, natural stupidity is replaced by "eternal opposition". There is an audience worthy of respect, but the level "below the plinth" is more than enough here!

        In addition to disgust, recently, visiting the forum does not cause. Like the same authors-buffoons on the forum - Samsonov, Skomorokhov - skillfully pulling puppets by the strings:

        "And in the process of presentation, the impression is created
        That the dolls are dancing by themselves!
        1. +3
          21 March 2023 21: 28
          In the early 90s, many, including myself, believed that it was enough to change socialism for capitalism and we would all live like in the West. Our history teacher warned us that wild rather than developed capitalism awaits us, but we considered her backward from life. As a result, we got wild oligarchic capitalism with elements of colonial dependence.
    3. +1
      23 March 2023 16: 19
      In which "district" city did you see THREE, Karl, winery? I understand the irony. But the reality is that it was under Putin that the industry reached the bottom
    4. +1
      23 March 2023 20: 02
      We are already being purged, first the pension reform, then the pandemic, now the SVO.
  4. +8
    20 March 2023 05: 38
    I would not compare past wars with the current situation. All this comes from the laziness of the mind. From unwillingness to define a new round of history. Less fear to lower on society. Even from a hopeless situation there is always a way out. All this comes from the fact that we have slogan people at the first line of propaganda. Having no arguments in favor of changing the situation. After the civil war the situation was more critical. In Genoa, we were presented with a debt for the First World War. An exorbitant debt. In response, our delegation presented a debt to the West for damage in the civil war. Analytically thinking people managed to turn the tide. "Everything is lost."
    1. +2
      20 March 2023 17: 54
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      I would not compare past wars with the current situation. All this comes from the laziness of the mind.

      A plus, just a plus.
      Many people like to confuse the study of the experience of the past with its blind copying and expect the same from History itself. That she will follow the same path she once walked, so we supposedly know exactly all the twists and turns. Yeah, how. Distant parallels can be drawn, but no more.
      However, the authorities themselves are partly to blame for this with their constant references to the Second World War. Here are some, it seems, and they were waiting for the Second World War with "Everything for the front, everything for victory", the mobilization of everything and everyone and waves of armored vehicles and people. And they received permission to continue to sit on the sofa (which, surprisingly, willingly took advantage of), continuing to work in general in a civilian economy and operations in small units using precision weapons and small UAVs.
      And about February. Kadyrov managed to run into some generals and, it seems, ask questions to the Defense Ministry itself; Strelkov walked in general on everyone; Prigogine on everything and, in addition, on Strelkov; walked through the military-industrial complex, through the military registration and enlistment offices ... but no one has ever walked through Putin himself. At all. I won’t say that I really like the president, but I think (hope) we are far from February, if so.
    2. +1
      25 March 2023 12: 30
      Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
      I would not compare past wars with the current situation. All this comes from the laziness of the mind. From unwillingness to define a new round of history. Less fear to lower on society. Even from a hopeless situation there is always a way out ....... .And it's easiest to give up. And lament - "Everything is lost."

      There is such an anecdote: "There is always a way out. Even if a lion eats you, you will still get out. On the other side."

      I found more Soviet times and since then I see the same thing - a constant process of degradation. The degeneration of society. First the moral, then the psychic, and now even the intellectual. So there is less and less doubt about the "exit".
  5. +22
    20 March 2023 06: 14
    Excuse me, but who does not allow the army to fight and constantly ties her hands? Who has such powers? That's right, Supreme Commander President Putin. Who does not set clear and precise goals for his own? Putin. Any dog ​​knows that its goal is the disappearance of the non-state of Ukraine from the political map of the world, but for some reason Putin is afraid to say it. Those. the president and no one else is to blame for the catastrophe that Russia is flying at great speed exactly along the rails of 1914-1916. And I am more than sure that the time will come and it will be merged and handed over to their own Shoigs / Manturovs / Nabiulins. People expect from him a different, tough and confident government of the country and the war. And not chewing snot and red lines. Swung - it is necessary to beat. And with a fist, so that the yushka would go in all directions. And not to clap on the popi
    1. +8
      20 March 2023 06: 33
      People expect from him a different, tough and confident government of the country and the war.
      So, ordinary people, they will feel the "iron hand" and tough management on themselves ..
      1. +3
        20 March 2023 06: 40
        Yes? Can you find out when this will happen? Well, at least approximately
        1. +13
          20 March 2023 07: 56
          When you are dragged to the basement and put on a mop, for whipping up panic and doubts about the genius of Vladimir Vladimirovich, and your relatives will publicly disown you.
          Then you will understand what an iron hand and confident management are.

          The fish can and does rot from the head, only they start cleaning it from the tail. (Some figure of the era of the iron hand, who rotted for this joke in the camps).
    2. +14
      20 March 2023 07: 28
      are you, the commander-in-chief is not to blame for anything, everyone else who led him by the nose for eight years is to blame, the bad boyars are to blame, everything around is to blame alone, he is not responsible for anything
    3. -12
      20 March 2023 07: 45
      All power to the Soviets!

      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      That's right, Supreme Commander President Putin.

      Wrong. Putin said from the very beginning that he did not graduate from the academies of the General Staff and that war is the business of professionals. When a politician, Zelensky, gets into the affairs of the army, then the people are being crushed. Do you want us to have it too? FIG you all over the face!

      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Any dog ​​knows that its goal is the disappearance of the non-state of Ukraine from the political map of the world

      Are you talking about yourself? laughing
      I'm guessing that the goal of the NWO is to change the political leadership of the country and establish pro-Russian power there. Ukraine will. To what extent - this question is still open.

      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Russia at great speed flies exactly on the rails of 1914-1916, the president is to blame for the disaster and no one else.

      And what are the signs of this? The fact that our unemployment is at a minimum, then that we have inflation of 4%, and in Germany more than 10%? State in more detail.

      You can create a structure to combat saboteurs and enemies. But it will be very difficult to stop her. There is experience ... As soon as real enemies run out, then everyone will become an enemy ...
      1. +16
        20 March 2023 08: 09
        Stalin also did not graduate from the academies of the General Staff, but it turned out well.
        Do not forget that only Putin decides to pump gas through Ukraine, only Putin concluded a grain deal, only he appointed Abramovich, at least the first gesture of goodwill also came from him ...
        1. -18
          20 March 2023 08: 20
          All power to the Soviets!

          Quote: Gardamir
          Stalin also did not graduate from the academies of the General Staff, but it turned out well.

          Stalin had direct life experience of the civil war.

          Quote: Gardamir
          Putin decides to pump gas through Ukraine, only Putin made a grain deal

          Do you think that Putin is interfering in the economic activities of the country? Numbers of Putin's Decrees, according to your presentation, can you provide? No? Then what is the market about?

          Quote: Gardamir
          only he appointed Abramovich

          "Abramoviches" were appointed by representatives of the United States on the basis of who hates Russia more, the piece of people's property is sweeter. Putin was nowhere near.
          1. +10
            20 March 2023 09: 11
            Quote: Boris55
            Do you think that Putin is interfering in the economic activities of the country?

            Quote: Boris55
            "Abramovich" was appointed by representatives of the United States

            Boris, he could not influence your "pension reform" and much more ..
            then the question is, if there is no power to influence it, why are you hoping for something? After all, it follows from your own words that something cannot, it is not given .. it turns out that there is not much power .. it means that your hopes are vain - "they won't let you do anything" - everything is completely gone or what? .. for me personally a different opinion, but I'm talking about your theses about the limited power and the fact that I WILL give him his "political opponent" ..
          2. +14
            20 March 2023 09: 45
            Boris, are you really that naive or are you pretending? What is the number of the decree, it is enough to express a wish or not to object. By the way, if you think that Abramovich was appointed by the Americans, then why such a president?
        2. -3
          20 March 2023 10: 56
          Quote: Gardamir
          Stalin also did not graduate from the academies of the General Staff, but it turned out well.

          Well, yes ... just to make it good, the Germans had to reach Moscow!
      2. +15
        20 March 2023 09: 44
        "The fact that we have unemployment at a minimum, then that we inflation 4%, and in Germany more than 10%? Please elaborate."
        where did you see such inflation? Yesterday I saw lard in the store, abnakovny salted lard. a year ago it cost 200 rubles, now it's 706. how much is this? twice a year, fees for housing and communal services were raised, how many pr (cents)? you can still list, and less low price increases, but you will still have 4%
        1. -4
          20 March 2023 10: 58
          Where do you live, in the most expensive market in SOCHI, fat from 340 (very decent).
          1. +11
            20 March 2023 12: 03
            In the Leningrad region, decent fat from 708 rubles / kg
    4. +12
      20 March 2023 08: 13
      People expect something else from him
      Has it often happened in your life that a person changed 180 degrees? He has always been the way he is. Various figures attributed to him what he was not capable of. Yes, at least remember the arrival of an accountant in the 14th volume. And now, Putin needs to do everything to make peace before the elections ...
    5. +13
      20 March 2023 08: 16
      People expect something else from him

      It's just that apparently the true goals of the SVO are somewhat, to put it mildly, different from those publicly declared .. For there is nothing else that is happening - I personally can not explain.
      1. +6
        20 March 2023 09: 50
        "It's just that apparently the true goals of the SVO are somewhat, to put it mildly, different from those publicly declared .."
        war between bourgeois states is waged either for resources or for markets. everything else is just words
    6. -1
      20 March 2023 10: 59
      Putin. Any dog ​​knows that its goal is the disappearance of the non-state of Ukraine from the political map of the world, but for some reason Putin is afraid to say it.


      Because this is utter nonsense, otherwise it must be declared that after Ukraine the goal is to disappear from the political map of the world, Poland, then Turkey, the Baltic states, Kazakhstan, China. The SVO began with an incorrect assessment of the mood in Ukraine, an assessment of the situation in the world, and apparently it will end in a completely different way.

      The goal should be to build such a state into an alliance with which at least the neighbors lined up, but for now even Lukashenka is not running to build a union state with Russia.

      Russia at great speed flies exactly on the rails of 1914-1916, the president is to blame for the disaster and no one else. And I am more than sure that the time will come and it will be merged and handed over to their own Shoigs / Manturovs / Nabiulins.


      This option is very possible, one can speculate about personalities, but this is very characteristic of an authoritarian government with an irremovable supreme person.

      People expect something else from him


      Which specific people:
      VTsIOM research shows that people aged 18 to 24 are the most “problematic” age group in terms of their attitude towards the “special operation,” said Valery Fedorov. According to him, the new generation puts personal well-being above the interests of society. It is set to "save yourself", not the RF:
      1. -1
        28 March 2023 05: 39
        And what about the Duma, consisting mainly of old farts and unanimously voting for the NWO, what were they thinking about, about the interests of the country or about their well-being, so that they would be nominated again?
    7. +3
      20 March 2023 18: 01
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Those. the president and no one else is to blame for the fact that Russia is flying at great speed exactly along the rails of 1914-1916 to a disaster.

      Our shell hunger has not yet begun, with an optimized industry, the old Soviet arsenals are being saved.

      An interesting topic - "The West is betting on the February-2 scenario" ... The West needs to pray for the Russian authorities, and if anything is realistic and desired, this is the destruction of the residual Soviet potential, primarily the nuclear missile. Russia is still the only country in the world that can destroy the United States. So, under the brave slogans and patriotic pathos, from the greatness of the USSR in capitalist Russia there is less and less margin of safety.

      If Yeltsin behaved like an elephant in a china shop, not only disgracing himself and Russia personally, but also discrediting capitalism itself, then this has been fixed, everything has become more cunning, they say one thing, they do another. Litmus pension reform, where no one answered the people for their "bazaar", verbiage of explanations was carried out by "talking heads" and all kinds of "lawyers" of the authorities.

      The West openly puts pressure on Russia, and we dutifully sit in the WTO and our Central Bank under the IMF. Ukraine, so screw everything up in 2014, when force and international law were on our side, instead get sanctions and accusations of the annexation of Crimea. So many years of chewing snot under the Minsk agreements, and on, NVO, when the Nazis created a multi-level defense, they cleared out all the activists of the Russian Spring. To this, a mediocre "preemptive strike" and a failed march on Kyiv, with shameful gestures of "good will", from Snake to Kherson. Now, to the "annexation" of Crimea, we have also become aggressors for the whole world.

      Why did our men die, why did they let the scumbags from Azov go, what place in the NVO is ruled by the same Abramovich and other Russian moneybags? What are we going to do, with empty Soviet arsenals spent on Ukraine, when NATO, having become modest, begins to gather troops, and the Western economy is boosting the production of military products? "Violent bonba"? With our henpecked people, they don’t even dare to bomb the bridges across the Dnieper ... In addition, many will remember the “humor” about Voronezh, or Brzezinski’s words about nuclear briefcases and the Russian elite.

      So why does the West need "February-2", if what the West is doing is incomparable with the damage to the country that is plausibly done inside.
  6. 0
    20 March 2023 07: 13
    what do you want from this collective "it"? a bunch of drug addicts, perverts, and so on .... AU ... it's time to bring these scumbags to a common denominator, otherwise this "porridge" will be for a long time
  7. -12
    20 March 2023 07: 30
    All power to the Soviets!

    Quote: A. Samsonov
    Full frame update. The people are completely supportive.

    " Frames decide everything"The people will support it. The question is different - where are these cadres that should replace the current ones? VSHY - created by the Americans and completely controlled by them, trains pro-Western cadres of managers ... Children of managers, starting from the 90s, study abroad and absorb Western ideology. .. So the question arises: no matter how worse it is ...



    ps
    I have already posted this excerpt from the book. Let me remind you briefly.
    Slaves from Africa were transported by ship to America. They rioted and threw all the whites overboard. They didn't rejoice for long. None of them knew how to steer a ship. As a result, by the time this ship was found by another ship, only one survived on it, the leader of the tribe ...
    I would not want something similar to happen to Russia ...
    1. +11
      20 March 2023 08: 11
      where are these frames that should replace the current

      The Bolsheviks, too, were not professional managers with diplomas .. And there were them - just something for the whole of Russia. But - how did you manage? And we, having their experience - no? Is it really so dumber than the ancestors?
      1. -6
        20 March 2023 08: 35
        All power to the Soviets!

        Quote: paul3390
        The Bolsheviks, too, were not professional managers with diplomas .. And there were them - just something for the whole of Russia. But - how did you manage?

        Pay attention to the chart below:



        How many Bolsheviks were there before the revolution and how many people became in the Bolshevik Party after the revolution. The party joined: Trotskyists, Socialist-Revolutionaries, Bundists, etc. The Bolsheviks did not have enough personnel. They were forced to cooperate with other pariahs, to attract old cadres.

        Trotskyists were in the vast majority. Hiding behind the party belets of the Bolsheviks, they staged the genocide of the Russian people ... Let me remind you that all party decisions are made by a majority vote (this is wrong, but that's another topic), and the Trotskyists had the majority.

        So the question of the peasant Chapai: "Are you for the Bolsheviks or for the Communists", this is not the illiteracy of the peasant - this is the essence that the people then understood, and the fact that today it does not reach everyone ...
        1. +4
          20 March 2023 09: 05
          But what does this have to do with having a type of professional managers? As it was said in the famous film - "We will bring up Baba Yaga in our team" .. Evon - Castro during the "revolution of gouging" generally landed with only 82 bearded snouts behind his soul !! And nothing - Cuba survived in the most difficult conditions and still exists ..

          The thing is that we are constantly being told that steering large teams requires some kind of transcendental knowledge, which is certainly obtained in Western institutions .. In fact, common sense, a broad outlook and the ability to listen to narrow-profile specialists are quite enough for this .. We look again on Comrade Stalin, as you know, he did not graduate from the academies ..
          1. -3
            20 March 2023 09: 24
            All power to the Soviets!

            Quote: paul3390
            "We will bring up Baba Yaga in our team"

            In the meantime, we will educate, there will be civil devastation after ... The interception of power can be carried out without massacre, bloodletting and lowering the country into the Stone Age.

            According to the chart above, you can see how the government of the country was intercepted by one force or another (decisions are made by majority vote). From the beginning, the Bolsheviks had Trotskyists, then Stalin (Lenin's set) among the Trotskyists, then Trotskyists (after the Second World War) from Stalin.

            We join the bourgeois EP party, and change its essence from the inside.
            1. +3
              20 March 2023 09: 29
              In the meantime, we will educate, there will be civil devastation after ... The interception of power can be carried out without massacre, bloodletting and lowering the country into the Stone Age.

              A new phase of the civil war is inevitable - do you really seriously believe that all this evil spirits that plundered our Motherland will give back the stolen without a fight ?? belay what
              1. -5
                20 March 2023 09: 41
                All power to the Soviets!

                Quote: paul3390
                Well, do you really seriously believe that all this evil spirits that plundered our Motherland will give back what was stolen without a fight?

                I'm not suggesting a fight. I propose "soft power". We did not notice how we ended up in capitalism. Why can't we do the same, only in reverse?
      2. +2
        20 March 2023 09: 52
        Speaking of dumber ancestors. Ancestors fought through Ukraine in a year. Well, the descendants have other goals.
      3. +4
        20 March 2023 15: 07
        Don't you know that at the beginning of the civil war, the vast majority of commanders and chiefs of staff of the Red Army were career officers? That in industry, transport, they were mainly led by "tsarist specialists"? Nothing to say about science. Even the last revolutionary sailor understood that he could still fit in as a "watching" (commissar), but not as a leader and organizer where knowledge is needed.
    2. +3
      20 March 2023 08: 19
      Your thesis does not fit in with your convictions. Or are you a Menshevik? Lenin's government began to cope with the tasks, including attracting "old cadres"
      1. -7
        20 March 2023 09: 08
        All power to the Soviets!

        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Lenin's government began to cope with the tasks, including attracting "old cadres"

        Yes. This is true. But behind every such shot, behind every Chapai, there was a Furmanov with a revolver...

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        1. -3
          20 March 2023 09: 34
          All power to the Soviets!

          Quote: paul3390
          Here you are, if you came to power - would you entrust at least something to Chubais? Siluanov? Nabiullina? Gref? Abramovich? Well, and so on and so forth..

          No. But if there are no others, then it is necessary to work with what is.

          Quote: paul3390
          most importantly, the most severe control over the type of old frames. A little something - please go to the basement ..

          Any structure strives for expansion and self-preservation.

          When the old cadres run out, those who planted them in the basement will begin to plant new cadres.
          Habit is second nature.

          “Unity,” proclaimed the oracle of our days,
          It may be soldered with iron only with blood ... ”
          But we will try to solder him with love, -
          And there we will see that stronger ...
          1. +5
            20 March 2023 09: 46
            But if there are no others, then it is necessary to work with what is.

            With THESE - it is impossible to work in principle. For they-can only steal and destroy.

            It's not a matter of habit, but that any government should be really replaceable and controlled by the people. Otherwise, it immediately degenerates and loses its shores, forgetting why it was set. This was well understood even in the ancient world - look at all the Roman and Greek magistrates, a year is the maximum. And what can be done in a year - but almost nothing. Did the ancients understand this? Yes, sure. But - they believed that the costs of management from constant rotation are significantly less than the danger of gibberish who have settled down for a long time in power ..

            After all, what is the power of the Soviets? This is precisely the constant control of the managers by the people. True - for this you need to have the appropriate people. Soviet. And after all, the Bolsheviks almost managed to create it ...
            1. 0
              21 March 2023 00: 03
              Something was not much control from the Soviets for most of the history of the USSR. And the formal leaders of the councils, their chairmen (chairmen of the executive committees) have always been the second in their name regions, and the first in influence were the first secretaries of the regional committees, district committees of the party.
  8. +19
    20 March 2023 07: 33
    But is the West to blame for everything, didn’t Russia keep pace with all countries before the NWO? She raised the retirement age, changed the constitution, forced citizens to vaccinate, now, together with everyone, she is introducing a digital currency, the evacuation and burial laws were adopted very timely. It doesn’t seem to me that we have a confrontation with the West, gas is supplied with ammonia, we pump it through Ukraine, we bypass sanctions. so if Russia falls apart, this is not from the deceit of the West, but from the actions of our government, officials, and the elite.
    1. +20
      20 March 2023 08: 10
      if Russia falls apart, it is not from the deceit of the West, but from the actions of our government, officials, and the elite.
      I sometimes think that our authorities and the West are at the same time. Who are we for them? Working animal.
      1. +12
        20 March 2023 08: 20
        And I've had these thoughts for a long time. Nothing else to explain the facts of what is happening
      2. +2
        20 March 2023 13: 10
        Yes, it’s just that Putin has aged, after all, 70 years is already a serious age, and after 20 years in power, a lot of resources have to be spent on retaining this very power, and from some point on, the internal threat of losing power becomes larger / comparable to the external one and indeed the people become "working cattle"
        Putin has already outpaced Brezhnev in terms of time in power, and Brezhnev's "stagnation" has made a decent contribution to the future collapse of the entire USSR.
        1. +2
          21 March 2023 00: 05
          Brezhnev, not Brezhnev. Still, he led us for 18 years, and you can remember the correct spelling of his last name.
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  10. +1
    20 March 2023 08: 07
    After all, for the bulk of Russian citizens in 1914-1917. the straits and Galicia meant nothing
    They did not mean, because they fought for the "brothers" - Serbs. When Serbia was defeated in 1915, the idea ended. Giving freedom to Galicia was never a slogan. They started talking about the straits with the advent of the Provisional Government.
    1. -1
      20 March 2023 11: 12
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      They started talking about the straits with the advent of the Provisional Government.

      They started talking about the straits even under Alexander the Peacemaker! The Black Sea Fleet and the Odessa Military District were sharpened precisely for this task!
      1. +1
        20 March 2023 11: 48
        They started talking about the straits even under Alexander the Peacemaker!
        And this topic, the peasants vigorously discussed, until the WWI, the peasants simply dreamed of the straits. We are talking about the article about the WWI period. And at the initial stage, the soldier in the trenches fought for the Serbs, for his own. Apparently, the straits still don’t let you sleep.
        1. 0
          20 March 2023 13: 09
          You made a thesis..

          Quote: kor1vet1974
          They started talking about the straits with the advent of the Provisional Government.

          I corrected you ... and why such aggression on your part? In addition, the topic of the straits was vigorously discussed by the Little Russian peasants and dock workers at Gola Pristan, Zhelezny Port, Skadovsk, Genichensk, Berdyansk, Mariupol, Taganrog and Novorossiysk due to the closure of grain exports! And during the time of the Provisional Government, the peasant, not only the straits, but the war itself, did not care ... to stay alive!
          1. +1
            20 March 2023 15: 54
            And what did you correct me about? About the straits, they dreamed even under Catherine II, for that matter .. The famous Greek project ..
  11. +3
    20 March 2023 08: 48
    and everything started so encouraging ... A military tribunal in the Donbass, captured Nazis, punishment for their crimes, the decisions of the military Nuremberg-2, indicative of the weight of the world. But after half a year, the prospect is already emerging, first for Russia itself February-2, and then for her and Nuremberg-2?
    And the West can organize it under two circumstances. If Russia delays with the Victory in Ukraine, and if this Victory is limited only to the Victory within the boundaries of the four regions that have returned to Russia.
    Is it difficult to turn a parade-biathlon army into victorious troops? Yes, it’s difficult, given that for one reindeer breeder, these biathlons were his invented brainchild. And this installation, when announcing the start of the NWO, so as not to touch the soldiers and officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, these are, they say, brothers to the Russians. So even the spineless Nicholas II would not have thought of this ... Suddenly, the stuttering of the then heir to Fitin's office is interesting. Perhaps the chief external intelligence officer understood that with a biathlon army against an army indivisible by the Nazis and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it would not be so easy, especially if the Russian soldiers themselves began to separate them, instead of pulling the trigger of the machine gun.
    Who is waiting for February-2 in Russia itself? There are more of them than you imagine . Firstly, the Zyuganov communists are waiting for February-2. Waiting for "sleeping" separatists in the national republics. The Kirkorovs, Baskovs, Babkins and Lyubka Uspenskys pretending to be pro-Russian patriots are waiting. They are waiting for Ernst likenesses, letting Kirkorov-Uspenskaya-Teacher like them on the air. And Solovyov yells at television, give me, I will head SMERSH. And how will he lead this SMERSH, if there are all his own around ...
    1. +2
      20 March 2023 09: 34
      And after all, preparations are already underway for the next parade on May 9th. To whom is war, and to whom are parades
    2. -4
      20 March 2023 11: 16
      Quote: north 2
      If Russia delays with the Victory in Ukraine, and if this Victory is limited only to the Victory within the boundaries of the four regions that have returned to Russia.

      And if the Victory is limited to the borders of the whole of Ukraine, will this be considered the removal of the threat of further military escalation for Russia?
  12. +2
    20 March 2023 08: 50
    What else can the Supreme Commander do in order not to become the new Nicholas II? Stalin's experience is a harsh purge of the beau monde, the ruling elite, pro-Western Vlasovites.

    The people will support, but the Supreme will not pull.
    Okay if I'm wrong.
    1. +1
      20 March 2023 12: 06
      Will they support the people who, instead of going to the front as volunteers, will start perestroika in the rear, in the hope that something will break off?
      1. +2
        20 March 2023 14: 36
        What is wrong with expelling all liberalism and agents of the West from the Kremlin?
        1. 0
          20 March 2023 18: 12
          And the bad thing is, how will you distinguish between liberals and agents of the West from patriots and those who care for the Motherland? Or "there are no patriots there" and everyone is one size fits all? Checker unsheathed - and forward?
          1. +2
            20 March 2023 22: 46
            According to the size of personal property and the nature of its origin ...
  13. +2
    20 March 2023 08: 53
    With respect to the author and commentators:
    The danger of repeating the collapse of the empire on the model of 1917 was obvious a year ago.
    The similarity remains, but there are differences:
    The EU is now more like pre-revolutionary Germany, and the US is like Austria-Hungary with an aged monarch. No wonder Poland has become so active.

    We have:
    What is positive:
    - The comprador "elite" is capable of leaks and agreements, but these are not organizers, not passionaries. These are not the Morozovs, not the Putilovs, not the Milyukovs.
    - there is no passionary social class of "cook's children", which does not have a chance to change their lives within the framework of the existing system. Borders are open, emigration is not persecuted.
    - not a million-strong army is sitting in the trenches. Society is resistant to minimal losses. With the mobilization of large masses, social fermentation begins automatically.
    - there are no strikes in transport, there are no calls for defeat in the war, there are no Bolsheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, anarchists, Cadets.

    What's wrong:
    - the technological backlog remains.
    Nevertheless, our technological lag behind the Poles during the period of the first Troubles did not become a decisive factor. Minin and Pozharsky expelled the Poles even without technological re-equipment. Overcoming internal discord (social contradictions) turned out to be more important. Of course, it is necessary to build technological independence, but you still should not panic.
    - problems of social elevators. Yes, "the marshal also has grandchildren." Yes, "effective managers" have become a social ballast, a parasitic class. It is necessary to get rid of parasites, but first this social problem must be comprehended, and solutions must be put forward that do not lead to the collapse of the state. Do not get rid of worms by explosion.
    - lack of ideology. In my opinion, the primary lack of honesty. In my opinion, when a TV actor plays a turbo patriot, but does not get rid of foreign ownership, this is not an ideology. This is demagogy. Demagogy will not save us. So it’s better to honestly analyze the situation, set goals and solutions.

    Now, "what to do":
    1. We are in the center of a world conflict between the decrepit "Modern Austria-Hungary" and the countries of the former second and third world.
    This conflict is more dangerous with an internal social explosion than with the loss of some territories. Moreover, the United States is betting on victory precisely by bribing the elites and exporting the revolution.
    Therefore, the policy of minimizing military conflict, strengthening food security, developing the economy and technology, and preventing social discontent seems logical.
    2. The most effective means of counteracting negative phenomena in society is an honest information policy. That is why the role of military correspondents, independent experts, and an open discussion of problems is so important.
    3. The Western world has moved into an era of zero tolerance for human losses. It is good for him that there was a country with a reduced level of critical thinking, ready to supply cannon fodder to achieve his global goals.
    Our task is to eliminate the technological superiority of Western countries, to get rid of the role of a raw material appendage. And learn to fight not by numbers, but by skill.

    -----------
    An attempt at a cautious forecast:
    1. The Western world is plunging into a financial, intellectual and industrial crisis. He will not be able to fight for the preservation of his world dominance by force for a long time. The time interval for realizing this is about a year, when the question will arise about the impossibility of restarting heavy industry, heavy metallurgy in the context of a confrontation with Russia.
    2. Ukraine is overstretched. While there is an ideological pumping, inflating hysteria, feelings of superiority, hope for an inevitable victory under the patronage of the Great White Man ("well, son, did your Poles help you?"). But such pumping cannot be maintained forever.
    Tentatively, after the failure of the summer offensive, there will be a psychological rollback. What form it will take is still impossible to predict. But by autumn, we may see mass desertion and transition to the side of Russia.
    ---------
    This is a cautious positive forecast, the main condition for its implementation is a low desire to fight based on modern technologies of warfare, cooperation between the authorities and society within Russia.
    1. 0
      20 March 2023 09: 38
      You have indicated "What to do?", but this is not enough. The most important question is "How to do it?".
    2. +7
      20 March 2023 12: 13
      USA Austria-Hungary with an aged monarch. No wonder Poland has become so active.


      You, like many “experts” on the USA, make one big mistake in the USA there is no personal leader, Biden can “leave” even tomorrow and nothing will change in the USA, for some time the vice president will take his place, then new elections and everything and the country will move on.
      Everything that is happening in Russia now has already been in the past, both in the USSR and in the Russian Empire, the country lives the life of one person / leader, while he is young and strong, the country somehow develops, but after 20 years in power, the leader grows old, loses his grip, may not adequately assess the situation and the country is “aging” with it.
      The regular change of power is one of the guarantees (but not a guarantee) of the country's long-term success, even China for a long time had a term limit for the Secretary General for two terms of five years each, and Xi recently rewrote the constitution for himself and in my opinion there is not a small chance of coming on the same rake that was in the USSR and now in Russia.
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    4. +4
      20 March 2023 12: 39
      Quote from Kuziming
      1. The Western world is plunging into a financial, intellectual and industrial crisis. He will not be able to fight for the preservation of his world dominance by force for a long time. The time interval for realizing this is about a year, when the question will arise about the impossibility of restarting heavy industry, heavy metallurgy in the context of a confrontation with Russia.
      2. Ukraine is overstretched. While there is an ideological pumping, inflating hysteria, feelings of superiority, hope for an inevitable victory under the patronage of the Great White Man ("well, son, did your Poles help you?"). But such pumping cannot be maintained forever.
      Tentatively, after the failure of the summer offensive, there will be a psychological rollback. What form it will take is still impossible to predict. But by autumn, we may see mass desertion and transition to the side of Russia.


      from your long text, I summarize the thesis - they themselves desert to us, because the "West" will soon (in a year) live worse than us ... Do you yourself believe in this thesis? really?
      1. 0
        21 March 2023 06: 32
        Not this way.
        1. Term within a year - the realization by the West that in order to continue the conflict with Russia, they will have to restart heavy metallurgy. Take back everything they've been fighting for the last twenty years.
        I'm afraid this will be unacceptable to them.
        2. Overvoltage of the Ukrainian society. Without success in the summer company there will be a psychological breakdown, breakdown, disappointment. This is a six month forecast.
    5. 0
      21 March 2023 00: 19
      It seems to me that the comparison of the USA with Austria-Hungary is not entirely correct. And the structure of states is different, and different ethnic situation. In Austria-Hungary, most peoples had their own ethnic territories, in the USA the situation is different, ethno-racial groups are strongly mixed.
  14. +3
    20 March 2023 09: 03
    hard purge of the beau monde, the ruling elite, pro-Western Vlasovites. Full frame update. The people are completely supportive. The solution to the problem of privatization is the return to the people and the state of strategic industries and enterprises. Reliance on the people - the vertical of power is strengthened by the horizontal, that is, the Zemstvo Councils, which take responsibility for local affairs and send their representatives to the provincial, regional Soviets and the All-Union Council.
    So this is a change in the state system .. Or, again, Vitka the triplet, a respected person who shouts the loudest (but most importantly a relative (friend) of one of the commerce, who, in turn, is a relative (friend) of someone in the administration )? What? -They are the same people. So yes, the results will be))
  15. +3
    20 March 2023 09: 57
    I wonder how you are going to disperse the Duma and the government, change the General Staff, are you not afraid of anarchy of anarchy?
  16. 0
    20 March 2023 10: 50
    Reliance on the people - the vertical of power is strengthened by the horizontal, that is, the Sovietszemstvoswho take responsibility for local affairs and send their representatives to the provincial, regional Soviets and the All-Union Council.

    Reliance on the Zemstvos, just became the cause of February-1!
    Mr. Samsonov, write better about Great Tartaria !!!!
  17. -1
    20 March 2023 10: 51
    What else can the Supreme Commander do in order not to become the new Nicholas II? Stalin's experience is a harsh purge of the beau monde, the ruling elite, pro-Western Vlasovites. Full frame update.


    Stalin, in the same way, was not ready for war, the presence of allies, primarily in the person of the United States, saved him from defeat, in fact, Stalin himself admitted this, saying that without American engines we (the USSR) would have lost the war.
    And Stalin “faced” exactly the same problem as Putin, when people gather around the leader out of loyalty, the only thing Putin can do now is to change the constitution once again, limiting the term of office of the president to one, and so that once again Tereshkova does not appeal from “in the name of the people”, to introduce a procedure for amending the constitution through referendums by regions separately and in total, each region must independently vote for changing the constitution, if at least one region did not vote for, the amendment is not accepted.
    Russia in its current form has a maximum of 10 years left, regardless of the result of the SVO, we are again approaching the “carriage race”.
    1. 0
      20 March 2023 13: 07
      once again change the constitution by limiting the term of office of the president to one

      Is this really the only way and the only problem???
      1. +1
        20 March 2023 13: 17
        This key problem is the aging of the elites, the loss of competencies, worse than that, the “aged” elites spend a lot of resources to keep power in their hands, at the same time, these resources could go to the development of the country.

        In general, such questions are surprisingly asked, we are living witnesses when Putin came to power and said this:
        “The constant nodding to foreign countries as the source of all our troubles is wrong. Wrong in essence. And all our troubles are in ourselves, everything stems from our own carelessness and weakness. Here, wherever you go, we have Chechnya everywhere. And not only in the North Caucasus... Figuratively speaking, right? In our economy, stick your head in, there is trouble and sheer grief. Look at our international relations, well, our relations with the very near abroad. We have some kind of gaping hole everywhere - a problem ”


        and it has changed to the fact that the West is now to blame for everything, such as deceiving Putin, although in the West more than one generation of politicians has already changed during the reign of Putin, who, by the way, in his youth, he himself stated that he did not plan to cling to power, did not plan to change the constitution, but power Apparently this is the most powerful "drug".
        1. 0
          20 March 2023 13: 48
          power is apparently the most powerful “drug”

          and as you thought, lust for power is one of the usual human passions, many saints avoided any kind of power for this reason (not in the sense of disobedience, but in the sense of not becoming bosses).
          ps but I'm talking about something else - after all, there is no worthy replacement for the elite that is now in power in the country, if you know - name 3 ... 4 names, it will be interesting to know
          1. +2
            20 March 2023 14: 06
            ps but I'm talking about something else - after all, there is no worthy replacement for the elite that is now in power in the country, if you know - name 3 ... 4 names, it will be interesting to know


            Well, if this is so, then it means you have just passed a sentence on the country and the nation as not having taken place and not being able to build a state. Why do presidents/governors/mayors, etc., change stably in the USA, while in Russia there is no replacement for Putin?
            As for the names, if we take out the SVO factor, then there are plenty of candidates, even from the current elite like Sobyanin, Mishustin, the main thing is that there are clear and strict time frames for the term of office and more or less separation of the branches of power.
            1. +1
              20 March 2023 14: 50
              I didn’t ask about the supreme at all - but in general the opinion about promising leaders (if any) is interesting. The named names, it seems to me, are representatives of globalists (supporters of the non-Russian word "lockdown" and the digitalization of everything and everything), and the age of Moscow's measure is also not young ...
              1. +1
                20 March 2023 15: 19
                I didn’t ask about the supreme at all - but in general the opinion about promising leaders (if any) is interesting.


                Well, where would they be potential leaders then in a country of 140 million.

                The named names, it seems to me, are representatives of globalists (supporters of the non-Russian word "lockdown" and the digitalization of everything and everyone),


                It is possible, but this requires at least some kind of feedback in the form of term limits and regular elections.

                and the age of the measure of Moscow is also not young ...


                I would not say that age in itself is a critical factor (within reason, of course), it is critical when a person is in power for more than ten years and there is no restriction, it is rather a trait of a person as such to remain in a comfort zone, here it is and will make more and more efforts to maintain his power, including to the detriment of the interests of the state and the people.
                1. 0
                  20 March 2023 15: 36
                  Don’t you think that we, like in the USA, can have some kind of deep state (or external forces), and changing one item to another will not change anything. The indicated surnames are probably from the same "clip", i.e. won't change anything. Is there anyone else out of 140 million? Perhaps we were so burned on different surnames in the 90s that we won’t believe anyone anymore?
                  1. 0
                    20 March 2023 17: 22
                    Don’t you think that we, like in the USA, can have some kind of deep state (or external forces), and changing one item to another will not change anything.


                    I didn’t quite understand what you meant, but changing one to the other always leads to changes, please Stalin-Khrushchev-Brezhnev-Gorbachev.


                    The indicated surnames are probably from the same "clip", i.e. won't change anything.


                    I repeat Khrushev, Brezhnev were also from the clip.
  18. +5
    20 March 2023 10: 59
    The saddest thing is that the domestic leadership is satisfied with everything.
    No one is going to do anything, well, except to shut their mouths.
  19. 0
    20 March 2023 11: 42
    Quote: zharyoff
    You have indicated "What to do?", but this is not enough. The most important question is "How to do it?".

    "How" is already a program. The program is written by the government or the opposition. We have no opposition, it depends on society whether or not to support the government's program. The government has not presented any program yet, as far as I understand.

    Therefore, it is clear that I cannot replace the team of experts with a remark in the discussion. But in short, what depends on society:
    1. Not to hush up the problems, but also not to turn them into a pretext for the destruction of the state. Suggest solutions.
    2. Do not support actions that can lead to the collapse of the state.
    3. First of all, think about how to save as many lives as possible. Including residents of the former Ukraine.
  20. +2
    20 March 2023 11: 46
    "What else can the Supreme Commander do in order not to become the new Nicholas II? Stalin's experience is a harsh purge of the beau monde, the ruling elite, pro-Western Vlasovites. A complete renewal of personnel."
    This is genius!
    Only now, And before that, who prevented him from doing all this since 2000? Who? Who appointed those and gave orders to those who now need to be purged? Who?!
    1. +5
      20 March 2023 12: 29
      Quote from AdAstra
      And before that, who prevented him from doing all this since 2000? Who? Who appointed those and gave orders to those who now need to be purged? Who?!

      Putin's generation of stupid consumers has already grown up. The cadets of the Volsk Academy of Logistics learned how to smash property under the splashes of champagne. Nothing like our "officers" are brought up.
      1. +1
        20 March 2023 17: 46
        Fools are pieces, not officers. """"
  21. 0
    20 March 2023 12: 30
    The main thing is what the collective West shows. Confidence in victory.

    On the other hand, in the course of the CVO, we never heard from Putin, as the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the sacred word for every Russian person "VICTORY", but only babble about "peace negotiations with dear Nazi partners of Ukraine without preconditions"
    The Russian Federation was driven into the trajectory of the Russian Empire during the Russo-Japanese and German campaigns. Heavy positional struggle, which eventually leads to internal confusion.
    this is a direct consequence of the refusal of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation from normal mobilization, sufficient for an attack immediately on Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov, Sumy, Chernihiv, Zaporozhye, Yekaterinoslav, the refusal to destroy the entire transport and energy infrastructure of Ukraine, especially bridges across the Dnieper.
    For more than a year now, Moscow has been constantly making deals, agreements, extraditing the Azov Nazis, showing through all channels that it is ready to negotiate on minimal terms. That contributes to enemy propaganda and again has a demoralizing effect on the Russian public. It also shows the weakness of the Kremlin, the uncertainty of the Russian beau monde
    The leadership of the Russian Federation, unlike the enemy, has no goal to win, but only the goal of reaching an agreement. And when there is no goal to win, defeat is inevitable.
  22. +7
    20 March 2023 13: 31
    Everything here, of course, is understandable and logical: the oligarchs and liberals of the government have been given a signal: we will not talk to Putin, but we will talk to you. Just send him to us - to Milosevic's cell. And very many of Putin's entourage now really want to "surrender" him - he has surrounded himself with such rot. And naivety, of course, goes off scale: for so many years he has been negotiating with such cheaters, he called them "partners", he really wanted to be liked.
  23. 0
    20 March 2023 13: 43
    Quote: parusnik
    And if there is no industry, then what should be translated?


    There is industry and it is not so little.
    There are enough defense factories to ensure a conflict of this level. Additional militarization of the economy is not really needed, at least for now.
    Oh those alarmists...
  24. -3
    20 March 2023 13: 49
    Quote from War_Lord
    On the other hand, in the course of the CVO, we never heard from Putin, as the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the sacred word for every Russian person "VICTORY", but only babble about "peace negotiations with dear Nazi partners of Ukraine without preconditions"


    There is no need for this. Those who really do their duty in the NWO zone do not interfere with fighting, and the emotions of couch fighters do not play any role.
    The peace treaty will be concluded on terms acceptable to the country's leadership.
    And it will also be acceptable to the vast majority of Russian citizens. Driving a wedge between rulers and society is currently impossible in principle. So do not waste nerve cells in vain.
  25. -3
    20 March 2023 13: 54
    Quote from Fabrizio
    Stalin, in the same way, was not ready for war, the presence of allies, primarily in the person of the United States, saved him from defeat, in fact, Stalin himself admitted this, saying that without American engines we (the USSR) would have lost the war.


    Bullshit. The USSR was just ready for a protracted war better than the Reich coalition.
    And he was much better prepared than the allies, especially the British.
    And what Stalin said about American engines: compliments do not always correspond to the truth, as you know.
    How would they win WWII without the help of the USSR ... sorry, this is impossible to see. Most likely, they would have lost if the USSR had managed to maintain neutrality.
    1. +1
      20 March 2023 14: 12
      The USSR was not ready for war. The British between times began to fight Hitler before anyone else, at a time when the USSR was actively trading with him and Molotov defended Hitler, and won the battle for Britain, after which Hitler changed his mind about conquering Britain and decided to quickly deal with the USSR.


      And what Stalin said about American engines: compliments do not always correspond to the truth, as you know.


      Why invent something for the author if there are his words, and there are also figures for deliveries, cars, gunpowder / explosives, shoes, gasoline, communication wires, medicines, etc., can be correlated with what was produced in the USSR and understand that without Lend- Liza, the USSR simply could not carry out offensive operations and there would be nothing to go to Berlin.
      1. 0
        April 1 2023 23: 59
        Quote from Fabrizio
        can be correlated with what was produced in the USSR and understand that without Lend-Lease, the USSR simply could not carry out offensive operations and there would be nothing to go to Berlin.

        Not true! They supplied a lot, but compared to the volumes of the USSR itself and its closest allies, this is far from all that was involved. Yes, we would have had to fight longer, but we would still have won.
        What kind of battle for Britain did the British "win" and what was it? What types of troops were involved and how many divisions from both sides were involved? We saw this "battle" when they were overturned in the English Channel and the Soviet Union had to save them!
  26. +2
    20 March 2023 14: 02
    Quote: aglet
    war between bourgeois states is waged either for resources or for markets. everything else is just words


    To the conflict between the Russian Federation and Ukraine - no sideways.
    And wars between capitalist countries can be waged for other reasons, by the way. Capitalism, you know, is also different.
  27. 0
    20 March 2023 14: 05
    Quote from Fabrizio
    The regular change of power is one of the guarantees (but not a guarantee) of the long-term success of the country,


    There has never been any real change of power in the United States. The real elite has remained unchanged for two hundred years, only the zits-chairmen change, all these presidents and senators.
    It is the succession of power and long-term planning that has made the United States so successful.
    1. 0
      20 March 2023 14: 13
      And who is this real elite, do you know their names?
      1. -1
        21 March 2023 08: 18
        Quote from Fabrizio
        And who is this real elite, do you know their names?


        Names don't really matter.
        The real power in the modern world belongs to those who control the financial and information flows. Oligarch bankers who own the Fed and the printing press, and smart people who are especially close to them (like old Kissinger).
        Nobody elects them (nobody has ever elected the real power anywhere), but their word is law. Whoever goes against it will either be tied on the hands, like Trump, or they will simply be shot like Kennedy's scoundrels.
        1. 0
          21 March 2023 13: 33
          Well, that is, as I assumed, you have no understanding of the structure of the United States., You at least read about the Fed and bankers or something, but not conspiracy theorists, but their official documents, laws.
  28. -2
    20 March 2023 14: 27
    Quote from Kuziming
    Quote: zharyoff
    You have indicated "What to do?", but this is not enough. The most important question is "How to do it?".

    "How" is already a program. The program is written by the government or the opposition. We have no opposition, it depends on society whether or not to support the government's program. The government has not presented any program yet, as far as I understand.

    Therefore, it is clear that I cannot replace the team of experts with a remark in the discussion. But in short, what depends on society:
    1. Not to hush up the problems, but also not to turn them into a pretext for the destruction of the state. Suggest solutions.
    2. Do not support actions that can lead to the collapse of the state.
    3. First of all, think about how to save as many lives as possible. Including residents of the former Ukraine.


    - "How"? .... - First of all, the control of the overwhelming part of the Society over all "without exception" structures of power ... Among such a mass - There are smart people. 30 years of the rule of "effective managers", sharpened primarily on self-sufficiency, and ONE person, who "covered" all the processes in the country (subdued everything and everything), and deprived the regions of the initiative - could not but give the current result ....
  29. -2
    20 March 2023 14: 41



    - What can make it possible to unite our People at the present Critical time for Russia...? - Only the possibility of permanent participation of the vast majority of the people in the management and development of their state!
    - COMPLICATION!
    1. +2
      20 March 2023 16: 40
      I do not comment on religious mantras.
    2. +1
      20 March 2023 18: 27
      The person in the pictures claims to have some clever thoughts, but at the same time he cannot meet the rules of the Russian language for writing text. Seriously, it stings your eyes from these endless capital letters where they are not needed. Well, spaces before punctuation marks are something with something. I willingly forgive all this to Internet commentators, because the dunce himself is still the same, but if a person claims to "I know how and what to do", one should show at least what he really knows - written Russian.
  30. 0
    20 March 2023 17: 26
    That is why it is necessary to quickly punish these judges and the prosecutor
  31. +2
    20 March 2023 19: 55
    By starting this special operation, we made a huge mistake, partly buying into the provocation of the United States. In Georgia, we did not go to Tbilisi and did not annex Abkhazia and Ossetia. And they got everything without any sanctions. Then they began to drag Yanukovych away from the association with the EEC, they received the Maidan and light sanctions for the Crimea, Donbass and the Boeing. And here they swung at the occupation of the country, received wild sanctions, a surge of miraculous Russophobia, the isolation of the country, an almost inevitable military defeat and the most sad prospects. Nicholas 2 made much smaller mistakes in both lost wars.
    1. +1
      20 March 2023 21: 10
      Pan commentator, your mustache has peeled off!
  32. +1
    20 March 2023 22: 09
    transfer of industry to war footing


    Why is everyone fixated on this?
    Does everyone really need guns instead of butter?
    And to remind, because of what the February revolution took place?
    Not because of defeats at the front. And due to the fact that interruptions (and very small ones) with the supply of bread began in the capital.

    It is obvious that Westerners inside the Russian Federation are clearly leading the case to the scenario of 1917 or 1991. So, there is no clear goal and objectives of the campaign... Why, why? Clear goals, no answers.


    In 1914 everything was simple. Germany was the first to officially declare war on Russia.
    Turkey was the first to declare "jihad" to us and the Turkish fleet treacherously shelled Sevastopol.
    The Triple Alliance quite openly made claims to the Russian territories.
    It was necessary to defend the Fatherland.

    And now NATO stubbornly does not declare war on us.

    Remembering the experience of the First World War - Ukrainization of formations and units of the Russian army


    Author, teach a story.
    THERE WAS NO Ukrainian formations in the Russian imperial army. They first appeared AFTER February, in the army of the provisional government, in August 1917.
    And the Caucasian "wild division" seems to be the only one that did not betray the king.
  33. -1
    20 March 2023 22: 46
    NLP pure water.
    The people of Russia do not fully understand what we are fighting for, well, the fight against fascism in Ukraine is understandable, but in Russia we are defending the territory and the very oligarchs who are robbing the people, even now.
    We are "spoiled" by equality and fraternity, therefore it is sickening to defend someone else's good, remove the latter and it will be ours - for children, grandchildren and the future of Russia.
  34. +2
    21 March 2023 06: 38
    Quote: 75Sergey
    NLP pure water.
    The people of Russia do not fully understand what we are fighting for, well, the fight against fascism in Ukraine is understandable, but in Russia we are defending the territory and the very oligarchs who are robbing the people, even now.
    We are "spoiled" by equality and fraternity, therefore it is sickening to defend someone else's good, remove the latter and it will be ours - for children, grandchildren and the future of Russia.

    It is not even clear how the war of 1812 became Patriotic.
    And why the hell did Minin and Pozharsky raise the militia, there were no socialist prerequisites.
    The feat of Kolovrat is generally in vain. Batu is the same savage as the prince of Vladimir-Suzdal.
    Prophetic Oleg fought with the Khazars - they changed one tribute to another.
  35. +2
    21 March 2023 08: 14
    Quote from Fabrizio
    The USSR was not ready for war. The British between times began to fight Hitler before anyone else, at a time when the USSR was actively trading with him and Molotov defended Hitler, and won the battle for Britain, after which Hitler changed his mind about conquering Britain and decided to quickly deal with the USSR.


    The USSR was ready for war and therefore won the war.

    The British themselves fed Hitler, allowing him to create a powerful military-industrial complex and an army. Although, as guarantors of the Versailles agreements, they were obliged to prevent this.
    The USSR as a neutral country could trade with anyone.
    The British were able to win the air battle for Britain thanks to the economic assistance of the Yankees.
    Hitler changed his mind about conducting a landing operation against Britain because he understood very well that in the event of a quick defeat of the USSR, the British themselves would ask him for peace, since our country was the last hope for the British. The Yankees could not quickly transfer significant forces across the ocean (especially since they would be bogged down in a war with Japan), and no one else could be an ally for the British. The Reich, after the capture of the USSR, would have increased its potential and resources; Britain alone had no chance.


    Quote from Fabrizio
    Why invent something for the author if there are his words, and there are also figures for deliveries, cars, gunpowder / explosives, shoes, gasoline, communication wires, medicines, etc., can be correlated with what was produced in the USSR and understand that without Lend- Liza, the USSR simply could not carry out offensive operations and there would be nothing to go to Berlin.


    The USSR itself produced a lot.
    Lend-Lease, of course, helped, but it only accelerated the defeat of the Reich, without changing the result as a whole.
    The battle for Moscow was won without Western help. Well, they changed the structure of production in the USSR, they would not re-profile some car factories for the production of tanks in order to produce more vehicles. Something would have been received not under Lend-Lease, but simply bought for gold or furs.
    Unlike you, then even the Yankees understood that we were doing a common thing and fighting a common danger. For the time being, the Yankees contributed to the fight against the Reich with their machines, machine tools, goods, and we - with human lives. The Yankees gave the USSR so many weapons because the soldiers themselves did not have enough good ones. And our soldiers defended not only their native USSR, but also the United States and Britain to boot.
    At that time, the "democracies" were well aware that if the Reich broke the USSR, then it would be very difficult for them to cope with Germany and Japan without the help of the Russians. Moreover, Germany and Japan would have been significantly strengthened at the expense of the USSR, its resources, industrial and demographic potential.
    1. -1
      21 March 2023 13: 40
      The battle for Moscow was won without Western help.


      British tanks also participated in the battle for Moscow at that time where each gun was important, and again, I repeat, of course, Germany would not be able to completely capture the USSR, but without Lend-Lease, everything would have ended along the borders of the RSFSR, and I repeat once again there is clear words of Stalin himself, without any compliments it is clearly said without the Americans we would not have won


      Unlike you, then even the Yankees understood that we were doing a common thing and fighting a common danger. For the time being, the Yankees contributed to the fight against the Reich with their machines, machine tools, goods, and we - with human lives. The Yankees gave the USSR so many weapons because the soldiers themselves did not have enough good ones. And our soldiers defended not only their native USSR, but also the USA and Britain in addition ..


      The Yankees for a long time did not want to interfere in European affairs at all, and thanks to Roosevelt for overcoming American resistance, primarily in Congress.
      1. 0
        April 2 2023 00: 46
        Quote from Fabrizio
        there are clear words of Stalin himself, without any compliments it is clearly said without the Americans we would not have won
        It was said because it was advantageous to say so at the time. It's just politics.
        Quote from Fabrizio
        The Yankees for a long time did not want to interfere in European affairs at all.
        You don't know much about this topic. Even before the war in the United States, a statement was made about how, to whom and when they were going to help.
  36. 0
    21 March 2023 09: 57
    The agitation is great. But she won't change anything. I had the understanding that the Russian Federation would be merged back in 2014 in the wake of the euphoria of the annexation of Crimea. It was not a step or even half a step, it was a convulsive reaction to a stone flying in the forehead. He was intercepted at the very forehead. And that's it. The source of the stone throwing was not eliminated and a recurrence on a larger scale was to be expected. And there was a legally legitimate OPPORTUNITY. But again they believed the Anglo-Saxons, although only the lazy did not write that a deal with the Anglo-Saxons is a deal with the devil, they will still be deceived. I am waiting for the nuclear shield to be transferred under the control of "some commission". Then it will already be possible to start counting the hours until the destruction of the state. And do not write that this is impossible, for children and loot it is possible. As soon as I hear this, send bags to buy cereals, salt and matches. And I'll try to get somewhere in the wilderness. If only it didn't happen in the winter.
    1. 0
      21 March 2023 13: 19
      when the nuclear shield is transferred under the control of "some commission"

      in some similar topic, they almost convinced me that the shield has long been gone ... maybe there is nothing to transmit ??
  37. +1
    21 March 2023 11: 04
    As long as the Kremlin turns to Western opinion at every turn, Russia is in mortal danger. It is high time for the Kremlin to understand that the interests of Russia and the West are as incompatible as the interests of the USSR and Hitler's Europe were incompatible in 1941-1945. Stop playing by the rules of the enemies of Russia, if you started a war, then you need to fight in full force.
  38. 0
    21 March 2023 14: 33
    Quote from Fabrizio
    British tanks also participated in the battle for Moscow at that time where each gun was important, and again, I repeat, of course, Germany could not completely capture the USSR,


    There would be no British tanks - a little more would be transferred from the eastern districts (Siberia, Far East)
    They would postpone a joint operation with the British to send troops to Iran.

    You contradict yourself.
    For Germany, there was a simple choice: either the complete defeat of the USSR and the division of its territories with its allies, or the loss of the war. If the first - does not roll, then the second is realized.
    Lend-lease went really, when it became clear that the blitzkrieg had failed, in a protracted war of attrition, the USSR had more chances of success (which was also understood overseas).

    Quote from Fabrizio
    The Yankees for a long time did not want to interfere in European affairs at all, and thanks to Roosevelt for overcoming American resistance, primarily in Congress.


    The role of the individual in history should not be overestimated, however. And let me remind you that it was Germany that declared war on the United States, so the Yankees had no choice. If the USSR was defeated, they could expect the fate described in F. Dick's novel "The Man in the High Castle".
    1. 0
      22 March 2023 09: 55
      There would be no British tanks


      You are mistaken, the 146th brigade is at Rokossovsky. As well as the 131st, 132nd, 136th, 170th, 171st OTB.

      The 146th separate tank brigade was reorganized on the basis of the Directive of the Deputy. NCO No. 725599ss dated 13.10.1941/30/29 in the Gorky ABT Center (in Sormovo) on the basis of the 115th, 15th and 1941th TP. On November 18, 20, the formation of the brigade was completed. From November 1941 to November XNUMX, XNUMX, the railway brigade relocated to Moscow and concentrated in the area of ​​​​st. Manikhino, Vysokovo. Brigade of British tanks.

      The PQ-1 convoy with the first 20 vehicles left for Arkhangelsk on September 29, PQ-2 put to sea on October 13. By October 30, the USSR already had 49 Matildas and 84 Valentines, and by the end of the year, Great Britain delivered 316 vehicles to the USSR: 145 Matildas and 216 Valentines.
  39. +1
    21 March 2023 15: 41
    What else can the Supreme Commander do in order not to become the new Nicholas II? Stalin's experience - a tough purge of the beau monde, the ruling elite, pro-Western Vlasov
    A "hard purge" is possible if there is already a parallel, healthy structure capable of ensuring the smooth operation of the state structure.
    If there is no such "parallel" structure, then, in order to avoid the destruction of the existing system, it is reasonable to change the structure of the system element by element. Nakosyachil - give way. Of course slowly - but more reliable.
  40. 0
    21 March 2023 17: 46
    The author, I beg you, the Darkest One, as he is called in the "Mount Show", lives on the paradigm that before he leaves for another world, somehow everything will be kept in check, and then even a flood. The existence of another world has not been scientifically proven, only the tales of churchmen. Therefore, he is neither cold nor hot, what will happen after him. Will the kids be embarrassed? Find these children in Russia. So the Darkest One didn't care about the consequences.
    Of course, if he bakes the fifth point PERSONALLY to the Darkest, there the reprisals will be merciless, but as long as he is sure that nothing threatens his PERSONAL security, absolutely NOTHING will change.
  41. +1
    21 March 2023 18: 58
    A lot of chatter, gentlemen, we need to work on all fronts, military, political, economic. And listen less to all sorts of foreign howls about the imminent collapse of the Russian state. From the article, the main message is that no one except our loved ones can kneel in the world, so it was in 1905, it was the same in 1917. But now the situation is completely different, the people rested, the leaders tensed up, the business has nothing left to do but work under the guidance of a sensible person Mishustin. But it’s interesting what will happen in the world when we win, here there will be a joke, but there will be, but here, look at the May 1945 Podsdam conference and I am not me and the song is not mine that they will shout like Zelensky koput or something else. Interesting.
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  43. 0
    22 March 2023 07: 53
    The author said "A", but did not say "B". Firstly, our people are not fools and understand that if a year goes on, in fact, a war in their lives cannot remain the same. There will be difficulties and losses, too, and life will become more difficult. In the West, they scream at the top of their lungs that their life has become worse, but in our country, that nothing should change? This thesis is stupid. A normal person understands this. Secondly, it will be more expensive for Russia to back down. The pro-Western leader in the Kremlin is a puppet of Washington with all the consequences. Whoever doesn’t understand, look at Zelensky, Ukraine was prepared for a war with Russia in order to cause ferment, confusion in our country and put their own man at the helm. For what? Here the Americans are not original. Just as they need Ukraine to fight Russia, so they need Russia to fight China. It’s not for the Americans themselves to fight the Chinese, they risk getting a nuclear strike on their territory. And Russia, reinforced by the European Union and the same Ukrainians, is already a force against China. Does China understand this? He understands and he will not let us fall. Because in this case, it's over. Its huge population will not help it, it will even play in the red. And we need to remember about 1991, when we screwed up our country and are still slurping the consequences of this. Now there is still a chance to rise completely, but if we dump the fool and collapse again, it will be impossible to rise, just like the Indians on the territory of both Americas.
  44. -1
    22 March 2023 11: 26
    According to the new liberal manual - friendship with the West is good, with China - bad.
  45. +1
    23 March 2023 07: 48
    Quote: Konnick
    You are mistaken, the 146th brigade is at Rokossovsky. As well as the 131st, 132nd, 136th, 170th, 171st OTB.


    You need to read more carefully before you quibble.
    Not "there was not ...", but "there would not be ...", that is, we are not talking about a statement, but about the subjunctive mood.
    The British didn’t deliver these tanks (for free?) ... they would have transferred more from Turkestan or Siberia from the Far East.
    The USSR used only 70-75% of its Armed Forces for active combat operations. Large groupings had to be kept in Central Asia and the Caucasus (the intervention of Turkey and Iran was not ruled out), as well as in the Far East (a counterbalance to the Kwantung Army). But if an urgent need arose, they would take away part of the formations from there (including tanks).
    And the British understood very well: the more Germans destroyed by Soviet tankers on British tanks, the more lives of English tankers could be saved.

    Not philanthropy, but prudent pragmatism.
  46. 0
    23 March 2023 14: 01
    For 13 months of the NWO, surprisingly, nothing that was confidently predicted in the West happened to us. A cloud of illegal sanctions - GDP sank by only 2%, Putin's rating, quite real, does not fall below 70%, foreign trade has been reorganized, and so on. Of course, not everything is good, military successes are minimal, the budget is scarce, there are losses, but on the whole we stand firmly on our feet. And I would compare the hysteria of the West with the desperation of a woodcutter who is trying to cut down an iron tree with a pyrochine knife. There is such. Moreover, the hysteria is so open that politicians there no longer understand where the red lines do not begin, but already end.
    They sculpt a hunchback to the right and left. And gradually the third world opens its eyes to these ... "civilized" barbarians.
    1. 0
      April 2 2023 01: 08
      For the most part, you wrote nonsense.