How Russia can complete the NWO

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How Russia can complete the NWO

The fighting in Ukraine has long since finally passed into the stage of positional warfare - armed confrontation, in which military operations on stable fronts of great length, with defense in depth, prevail. The struggle is for every settlement, for every district and for every street. In this regard, many are wondering - how long can a special military operation in Ukraine continue?

The question is logical, but there is no answer to it.



The current stagnation at the fronts is explained by many factors - adverse weather conditions, the actual parity of forces, etc., and on the whole this is true. However, it is most important for us to get an answer to another question, without an answer to which it is impossible to talk about any terms and variations - what options for completing a special military operation do exist?

I mentioned negative scenarios in previous materials, in particular, in the article “The American concept of "early victory" in a long war: how the West plans to defeat Russia in a conflict of attrition”, in this case, we will consider relatively favorable scenarios for the completion of the NWO, as well as the positive and negative aspects of these scenarios.

Scenarios for the completion of a military operation


To begin with, it should be emphasized that, in the author's opinion, there are no completely positive options for completing the military operation in Ukraine. If we take as a basis the definition of the English historian Liddell Hart, who believes that the purpose of the war is to achieve a better, if only from your point of view, state of the world after the war, then it is quite difficult to achieve victory from this position. That is, even having achieved a conditional victory over Ukraine, Russia may continue to be in a rather difficult international political situation, and this fact should be taken into account.

Considering that Russia has not yet formed clear parameters for its victory in Ukraine, and the goals of the military conflict vary depending on the situation on the battlefield and the international political situation, the victory scenarios that are given below are theoretical.

The first script provides for a change in the legal status of a special military operation (which is currently not defined at all), the introduction of martial law, another wave of mobilization, mobilization of the rear, that is, the economy, with the aim of a new large-scale offensive against Ukraine in order to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine and take it under control, either completely or almost completely.

For a long time, such a scenario has been advocated, in particular, by retired FSB colonel Igor Strelkov, who believes that the economy should be mobilized first and the material base should be prepared for large-scale mobilization.

This scenario provides for the achievement of a relatively quick victory through a strong effort of the state's forces. Indeed, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which have a lower mobilization potential than Russia, can be tritely “crushed by the masses”, and in theory, victory can be achieved in this way, but this scenario contains significant risks and costs.

The negative aspects of this scenario include, firstly, the risks of a crisis in the state-bureaucratic apparatus. Partial mobilization has demonstrated how inefficient the state machine is, and there are serious doubts that Russia is capable of equipping and supplying, say, a million fighters.

Secondly, there are risks of the collapse of the economy, which operates in the “peacetime” mode and is not ready for over-militarization and transition to a military footing.

In particular, the transition of civilian enterprises to "military rails" can lead to completely unexpected consequences. It is worth remembering that Japan once resorted to the total mobilization of the economy - in the early 1930s, the Japanese aircraft industry could master the production of only 100-200 aircraft per year, and already in 1944, the Japanese aviation industry managed to bring production to a record high of 24 thousand aircraft. However, the growth of the Japanese economy was abnormal and extensive - the military industry and heavy industry grew mainly due to a slowdown in the growth of the civilian sector. The consequences of this were devastating for the economy and set it back several decades.

In the current conditions, when Russia is also conducting an economic confrontation with the West, and also taking into account that the industrial potential of the current Russian Federation is limited, such experiments can end in failure.

Thirdly, the reaction of the West to this step is unknown, there is a risk that the response to another mobilization and the introduction of martial law will be the deployment of NATO troops to Ukraine.

Fourthly, to carry out large-scale mobilization in the absence of an idea and a clear goal of the war, when military personnel do not know what exactly they need to achieve in order to win, can lead to uncontrolled protests among mobilized and military personnel.

Second script provides for the use of tactical nuclear weapons (TNW) and weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in order to destroy the strongholds and fortified areas of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, turn the tide on the fronts and persuade the West and Ukraine to conclude peace on Russia's terms (i.e., probably, recognition of the new borders of the Russian Federation, the neutral status of Ukraine etc.). A change in the status of the NWO and additional mobilization may not be carried out at the same time.

The competent use of tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield, in theory, is capable of inflicting serious damage on the Armed Forces of Ukraine and radically changing the situation, but serious risks arise in this case. The use of tactical nuclear weapons is supported by retired aviation colonel Viktor Alksnis, who believes that in the current state of our Armed Forces, which are unable to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Russia will sooner or later be forced to use tactical nuclear weapons at strategic bridges, tunnels and transport hubs.

This scenario has a lot of negative sides - firstly, the use of tactical nuclear weapons can only break the Armed Forces of Ukraine in theory, in practice everything will depend on the amount that will be used and the literacy of the application. That is, in practice, this may not give the desired effect. The forces of the Ukrainian army are dispersed, and it is difficult to imagine how many tactical nuclear weapons will be required.

Secondly, there are risks of contamination of the area. Even if low-power charges are used, this cannot be avoided. If strikes are made on bridges, then there is a threat of contamination of rivers.

Thirdly, it should be said about the moral side of the issue - do not forget that in Ukraine there are two branches of the once united people, the Eastern Slavs, howling, so the use of weapons of mass destruction is hardly appropriate and permissible.

And fourthly, there are risks that, in the event of the use of nuclear weapons, Western countries will transfer nuclear weapons to Ukraine, whose political leadership will most likely use them on Russian territory without hesitation.

Third scenario provides for the continuation of the war of attrition in the current format in the hope that sooner or later the West and Ukraine under its control will be persuaded to negotiate in order to consolidate the current status quo. At the moment, the political leadership of Russia is taking steps to ensure that the war does not affect the majority of the population, and the economy functions in peacetime. I wrote in detail about the risks of this scenario in the material “The American concept of "early victory" in a long war: how the West plans to defeat Russia in a conflict of attrition».

At the same time, both the second and third scenarios, subject to some agreement on the status quo or freezing the conflict within the current borders, provide for the threat of a resumption of military conflict in the future. As Carl von Clausewitz wrote:

“Even the decisive, final act of the entire war cannot be looked upon as something absolute, for the defeated country often sees in it only a transient evil that can be corrected by subsequent political relations.”

To all of the above, it is worth adding that Russia is a country with negative demographics, and a long and bloody war in the context of a demographic crisis can end tragically for the Russian people.

Military conflict by agreement?


(as a conclusion)

At the moment, events are developing according to the third scenario, and we have certain elements of a negotiated war. In particular, in a recent interview with Western media, former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said that Russian President Vladimir Putin gave him a guarantee not to kill Ukrainian President V. Zelensky. If this is true, then it becomes clear why the Ukrainian president walked freely in both Izyum and Kherson, without fear for his life.

It is noteworthy that the press secretary of the President of Russia Dmitry Peskov did not refute the agreements between Putin and Bennett on Ukraine.

“We are not supporters of disclosing the details of the talks between the heads of state. We don’t want to do this even now, so I will neither refute nor confirm what Mr. Bennet said,”

- said Peskov. These words can be regarded as a confirmation of Bennett's words, because the lies of Western politicians are often refuted in the Kremlin.

Obviously, Moscow still hopes that the military conflict can be ended by negotiations with the West on terms acceptable to the Russian Federation. At the same time, some political circles in the United States, where all key decisions are made, are giving certain signals that they are ready to negotiate with Russia. This refers, of course, to the Republican Party and one of its leaders, Donald Trump. The Republican-supporting American businessman and billionaire Elon Musk, who owns the SpaceX company, which literally recently limited the use of Starlink satellites in Ukraine, also gives certain signals.

However, be that as it may, before the possible coming of the Republicans to power in the United States is still far away, and during this time anything can happen. Aid from Western countries is still growing. You can, of course, sit and wait for the weather from the sea, but how productive is it? And if the Republicans do not come to power at all, or for some reason change their minds, what then?

The lack of clear goals, strategy and ideas of military and geopolitical confrontation, in which Russia has become involved, still remain a key unresolved problem.
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  1. +10
    11 February 2023 04: 38
    "it vaguely reminds me of Indo-Pakistani
    incident "V.S. Vysotsky (C)
    1. +17
      11 February 2023 07: 10
      Thank you for Vysotsky! Do you know what it began to remind me of today? Korea.
      There, too, one side first drove the other side, then they were driven from the capital, then they had (and now continue) they have a "great standing on the Ugra River." trains".
      1. -2
        11 February 2023 17: 24
        Quote: not the one
        I wonder how everything will be with us, you just don’t know what the coming day is preparing for us

        Well, then it would not be superfluous to compare the standard of living in South and North Korea. In fact, the history of the 20-21st century does not know examples of the military conquest of countries. Sooner or later they gain independence
        1. +21
          11 February 2023 19: 07
          well, yes ... drive the DPRK into the wildest sanctions, and then talk about the standard of living ...
          1. +3
            11 February 2023 19: 21
            So we can roll in the same wildest sanctions and what standard of living will we have?
            1. 0
              14 February 2023 18: 58
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              So we can roll in the same wildest sanctions and what standard of living will we have?

              Haven't they "rolled" yet? All our lives we live under certain sanctions. And what? Russia may well become autarky. Well, yes, bananas and mango dates. we won't have. And everything else can be done by yourself. All that is needed is the will to do so and the expulsion of liberals from all leading positions. And FAITH, the belief that we can provide ourselves with everything we need at the highest level. To do this, we have everything except the desire.
              1. -1
                14 February 2023 23: 10
                even having achieved a conditional victory over Ukraine, Russia can continue to remain in a rather difficult international political situation

                A very simple way out of this simple situation.
                List by name all the rulers who supplied the Nazis, and break all economic ties with these countries, until they are punished in their countries, as war criminals, by the maximum possible punishment.
                And, at the same time, in every possible way to help the economic competitors of this black list, offering raw materials at reduced prices. But with one condition - if they do not trade in these raw materials, but only buy them.
              2. +1
                18 February 2023 18: 40
                Of course, they haven’t rolled it in yet, they are introducing it gradually, because. they can't give up on us instantly.
                But they are undergoing a process of substitution, unlike our import substitution

                What can we do ourselves? Well, we’ll probably learn nails again, stick nameplates to the Chinese ...
                Even the USSR could not develop in isolation, and the potential was an order of magnitude higher
            2. -1
              27 May 2023 21: 10
              Dubina, Russia is an absolutely self-sufficient country where everything is there, if there was political will. Take, for example, the post-war development of the country under Stalin, when the country gained 70-80% per year under the same sanctions and without any petrodollars, gas, etc. when there were difficulties in the country simply incomparable to today. Churchill wept from the rostrum - If Russia found the strength after such a war for such a huge development, then I'm afraid that in twenty years we will learn the Russian language. If there is political will , then everything will be, and there is no need to compare Russia with Korea with its limited resources and territory with the Pskov region, all the more having absolutely no idea about how the North Koreans live and about their way of life, not at all spoiled by Western "values", without which, for example, you can’t imagine life, and the Korean simply doesn’t need all this in the vast majority of cases.
          2. -9
            11 February 2023 20: 52
            Quote: Nikolay310
            the wildest sanctions, and then talk about the standard of living ...

            And what are the sanctions? I remember that the North Koreans had a border with the USSR and China for 40 years. Or do you want to say that the Soviet camp, in principle, is not able to compete with the capitalist world in terms of quality of life?
            1. -5
              11 February 2023 22: 58
              Not able to. Proven by practice. And according to Marx, practice is the best criterion of truth.
              1. 0
                17 February 2023 21: 43
                And what about China? It seems like the communists are in power there, or am I confusing something?
                1. +1
                  19 February 2023 12: 46
                  Quote: MaKeNa
                  And what about China? It seems like the communists are in power there, or am I confusing something?

                  China is the largest capitalist power in the world! There are more private enterprises there than in the USA, Germany and Japan combined. The clause stating that the goal of the development of the PRC is communism was removed from the constitution of the PRC. At the 19th Congress of the CPSU, a clause was introduced into the Charter of the CPSU banning members of the CPSU from participating in human exploitation. And now CCP members openly own factories, steamships, and so on. exploit the labor of tens of thousands of employees and are dollar billionaires!
            2. +11
              11 February 2023 23: 00
              Quote: Negro
              the border with the USSR and China was 40 years old

              It still exists. It’s just that both Russia and China signed these sanctions. You see, North Korea is bad guys, like Iran, by the way.
              1. -6
                11 February 2023 23: 19
                Quote: Pilat2009
                It still exists. It’s just that both Russia and China signed these sanctions

                This is how it was necessary to stubbornly, so that the Chinese imposed sanctions on the Russian Federation? And exactly in the sanctions then the problem?
                1. +11
                  11 February 2023 23: 43
                  Quote: Negro
                  Quote: Pilat2009
                  It still exists. It’s just that both Russia and China signed these sanctions

                  This is how it was necessary to stubbornly, so that the Chinese imposed sanctions on the Russian Federation? And exactly in the sanctions then the problem?

                  Or are the Koreans some kind of cannibals? Some countries can develop nuclear weapons, while others are unworthy. The right countries used Yao during the war.
                  1. -2
                    11 February 2023 23: 59
                    Quote: Pilat2009
                    Some countries can develop nuclear weapons, while others are unworthy

                    By itself.
                    Quote: Pilat2009
                    And in what?

                    But surely hypermilitarization in the style of Japan in the 40s or the USSR in the 30s does not affect the amount of grub in any way?
                    1. +13
                      12 February 2023 11: 36
                      Quote: Negro
                      But surely hypermilitarization in the style of Japan in the 40s or the USSR in the 30s does not affect the amount of grub in any way?

                      Since the beginning of the 30s, Japan has been at war with China, and since 194, also with England and the USA. War is always bad for the economy.
                      The United States should not be cited as an example - they never fought on their territory, they were not bombed, and all the capital and best personnel from Europe migrated across the ocean during both wars.
                      And now about the USSR.
                      30s.
                      During these same 30s, the USSR not only carried out Industrialization and rebuilt the Army, but also raised the standard of living in the country many times over. And there was no "hypermilitarization" in the country. There was a healthy and balanced Militarization on the eve of the World War. Which did not in the least affect the quality of life of the Land of the Soviets. Rather, it influenced (militarization) in an exceptionally positive way. As a result, millions of new jobs were created at complex high-tech enterprises, and engineering personnel were trained. These people received GOOD salaries and their standard of living constantly grew.
                      Quote: Negro
                      amount of grub?

                      Grew up. The collectivization and mechanization of agriculture led to a sharp and multiple increase in yields and productivity, the emergence of a large amount of marketable grain, which not only fed their cities, but it was exported in huge quantities - as payment for the supplied technical equipment for new factories. I had occasion to speak on this topic with many people who survived that period - from the middle to the end of the 30s, the level and quality of life increased in leaps and bounds, and continued to grow.
                      Quote: Negro
                      amount of grub?

                      And the quality of food also grew very quickly.
                      And filling the market with consumer goods.
                      In addition, before Khrushchev's reforms, the USSR still had a diversified economy with a very large share of the private (then it was called "personal") and the collective (joint-stock) sectors. Clothing and shoe factories , shops , hairdressers , cafes and restaurants , artels and associations . Even Ilf and Petrov testify to this - Ostap Bender opens a fictitious cover company "Horns and Hooves". State ownership was only in large enterprises, strategic industries, but what filled the market with food and consumer goods was provided by private and collective enterprises. And therefore, everything was enough, as soon as the post-war devastation was defeated and the state stabilized.
                      A healthy militarization will not harm Russia today either. Let's say those metallurgical enterprises that were under sanctions should (and are obliged) to be switched to the production of artillery shells, armor plates and other things for the needs of the defense industry. enterprises will receive an extended order, the Army - everything they need, the Economy - Growth, and the People - an increase in the quality of life.
                      Thus, the United States has always come out of crises - with war and military orders for the military-industrial complex. So the Soviet Union on the eve of WWII made a breakthrough into the future. Industrialization and healthy Militarization are ALWAYS good for the Economy.

                      And then Japan simply overstrained itself - to fight simultaneously with China (from the beginning of the 30s), England, the USA, and then the USSR ... this is a sentence.
                      1. +5
                        12 February 2023 21: 22
                        Quote: bayard
                        Quote: Negro
                        But surely hypermilitarization in the style of Japan in the 40s or the USSR in the 30s does not affect the amount of grub in any way?

                        Since the beginning of the 30s, Japan has been at war with China, and since 194, also with England and the USA. War is always bad for the economy.
                        The United States should not be cited as an example - they never fought on their territory, they were not bombed, and all the capital and best personnel from Europe migrated across the ocean during both wars.
                        And now about the USSR.
                        30s.
                        During these same 30s, the USSR not only carried out Industrialization and rebuilt the Army, but also raised the standard of living in the country many times over. And there was no "hypermilitarization" in the country. There was a healthy and balanced Militarization on the eve of the World War. Which did not in the least affect the quality of life of the Land of the Soviets. Rather, it influenced (militarization) in an exceptionally positive way. As a result, millions of new jobs were created at complex high-tech enterprises, and engineering personnel were trained. These people received GOOD salaries and their standard of living constantly grew.
                        Quote: Negro
                        amount of grub?

                        Grew up. The collectivization and mechanization of agriculture led to a sharp and multiple increase in yields and productivity, the emergence of a large amount of marketable grain, which not only fed their cities, but it was exported in huge quantities - as payment for the supplied technical equipment for new factories. I had occasion to speak on this topic with many people who survived that period - from the middle to the end of the 30s, the level and quality of life increased in leaps and bounds, and continued to grow.
                        Quote: Negro
                        amount of grub?

                        And the quality of food also grew very quickly.
                        And filling the market with consumer goods.
                        In addition, before Khrushchev's reforms, the USSR still had a diversified economy with a very large share of the private (then it was called "personal") and the collective (joint-stock) sectors. Clothing and shoe factories , shops , hairdressers , cafes and restaurants , artels and associations . Even Ilf and Petrov testify to this - Ostap Bender opens a fictitious cover company "Horns and Hooves". State ownership was only in large enterprises, strategic industries, but what filled the market with food and consumer goods was provided by private and collective enterprises. And therefore, everything was enough, as soon as the post-war devastation was defeated and the state stabilized.
                        A healthy militarization will not harm Russia today either. Let's say those metallurgical enterprises that were under sanctions should (and are obliged) to be switched to the production of artillery shells, armor plates and other things for the needs of the defense industry. enterprises will receive an extended order, the Army - everything they need, the Economy - Growth, and the People - an increase in the quality of life.
                        Thus, the United States has always come out of crises - with war and military orders for the military-industrial complex. So the Soviet Union on the eve of WWII made a breakthrough into the future. Industrialization and healthy Militarization are ALWAYS good for the Economy.

                        And then Japan simply overstrained itself - to fight simultaneously with China (from the beginning of the 30s), England, the USA, and then the USSR ... this is a sentence.

                        Quite right. The standard of living fell after the war, and this is understandable.
                        For example, in the European part of the USSR, up to 70% of the housing stock was destroyed.
                        Moreover, thanks to our "accomplices" with their plans for atomic bombing of the USSR, we had to quickly create our own bomb.
                        And these are dozens of factories, research institutes, laboratories, training grounds, etc.
                        According to various sources, the costs were comparable to the costs of the war.
                        And this money could be used to improve the lives of our people.
                        And even under these conditions, in the USSR cards were canceled earlier than in England.
                      2. -3
                        13 February 2023 07: 45
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        And this money could be used to improve the lives of our people

                        )))
                        But they didn't. When the Soviet / Russian state has extra money, for some reason, the improvement of people's lives is not remembered. There are always more important things to do. We are now seeing such a situation.
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        And even under these conditions, in the USSR cards were canceled earlier than in England.

                        )))
                        In England there was a socialist Attlee who simply loved cards - he fought capitalism in this way. Comrade Stalin fought capitalism with executions, so there was no need for him to have cards - he was not going to feed anyone.
                      3. +3
                        13 February 2023 21: 24
                        Quote: Negro
                        When the Soviet / Russian state has extra money, for some reason, the improvement of people's lives is not remembered.

                        On the contrary, it was recalled, mentioned and announced at congresses, approved in five-year plans and implemented in practice. Only this improvement, as a rule, in the late USSR was expressed not in raising wages, but in improving social culture, medical care, sanatorium construction, pioneer camps, departmental or even specific enterprises, kindergartens, pioneer houses, financing of sports sections, schools, gyms, swimming pools and other public infrastructure. In those days, there were no fees from parents for children in kindergartens and schools, fees for participation in sports sections, schools, various circles, etc. was symbolic or non-existent. Therefore, the quality of life grew, but the financial income of families did not increase. Such was the paradox of the late Soviet system, which still performed its functions, but was already preparing the country for the transition to capitalism.
                        and this was possible only against the backdrop of popular discontent, shortages and a decline in the quality of life. That in 1989 - 91. and it was provided. Plus information support.
                        Quote: Negro
                        There are always more important things to do.

                        All the important things that those in power and those who were dedicated to the plans were - preparation for the drain of the USSR and privatization to their loved ones. And they succeeded.
                        Quote: Negro
                        We are now seeing such a situation.

                        Now the situation is different - prices have risen somewhat, but this is at or below the level of the global price increase. But there is no shortage either in food or consumer goods. And the difficulties in the process of waging war are clear to everyone and the overwhelming majority are taken for granted and inevitable in such conditions. So, at least there are no problems in the economy and filling the budget, and so far it is not foreseen.
                        Let me explain.
                        After the abolition of the Budget Rule, according to which Russia got no more than 40 dollars. from the sold barrel (whatever the price), the Russian budget and its exporters receive significantly more than a year ago. So the other day, the Chinese side published that the price of oil from Russia for China averaged 2022-81 dollars per year (81,5). per barrel. True, this price is with the cost of delivery, it does not matter by pipeline or tankers. And since now Russia has its own Merchant Fleet (only last year and half of January, about 500 ocean-class merchant ships were purchased on the secondary market - tankers, gas carriers, dry cargo ships), as well as its own insurance companies that insure maritime transportation, then all this profit remains in Russia.
                        Previous budgets were calculated from the price of oil at $40. Now the price of oil in the budget is $70. Besides , despite this , this year 's budget has been declared a deficit . This is not scary (the budgets of the United States and Western countries are almost always in deficit, but this does not bother them much), because the real income of the budget of the Russian Federation has always seriously exceeded the planned one, so it is not a fact that at the end of the year the budget deficit will be confirmed.
                        And since budget spending in the Russian Federation is seriously growing, it means that the industry will receive more government orders. This will increase the GDP and income of business and citizens employed in these industries. This alone will increase retail sales, create additional demand and stimulate industry and commerce.
                        in addition, a decision was made in the Russian Federation on the planned do-monetization of the economy up to 70% (from the former 40%). In the past period of such additional monetization (from 2005 to 2015) in Russia there was an annual economic growth of about 7-10%. It's a lot .
                        The current military conflict, if we do not slide into nuclear armanedon, may somewhat level the growth rate ... or, on the contrary, spur it on. And first of all, the very sanctions of the West will be the tool for such whipping. It’s just that in Russia now everything or almost everything will have to be produced by ourselves, and this is ... the very growth of the real sector - new production, new jobs, an increase in domestic demand and supply, and a multiplier effect. Even the mobilization itself partly contributes to this - the called-up citizens receive very good monetary allowance (over 200 thousand rubles for an ordinary), send money to their families, and they spend it on everything they need ... This stimulates the sale and production of goods and services.
                        Quote: Negro
                        In England there was a socialist Attlee who simply loved cards - he fought capitalism in this way.

                        When the socialist Atlee was in England, there was no Comrade Stalin in the USSR to teach his colleague correct reforms and state policy.
                        Quote: Negro
                        Comrade Stalin fought capitalism with executions, so there was no need for him to have cards - he was not going to feed anyone.

                        Nonsense and lies. Stalin just tried to feed everyone and in the most fair way - raising wage rates, stimulating rationalization and invention with material payments, introducing piecework wages for qualified specialists in order to achieve the maximum return on production.
                        That is why it was the USSR that was the first (!) to abolish food and other cards.
                        Under Stalin, MONEY was paid in the USSR.
                        And it was GOOD money.

                        And all those ugliness and nonsense, brought to the point of absurdity, that we remember from the late USSR are the result of Khrushchev's reforms. Brezhnev canceled part of Khrushchev's kookies, but not all ... And the situation was frozen ... along with salary tariffs and prices for basic consumer goods.
                        Before Gorbachev's perestroika.
                      4. 0
                        19 February 2023 15: 19
                        Quote: bayard
                        Such was the paradox of the late Soviet system, which still performed its functions, but was already preparing the country for the transition to capitalism.
                        and this was possible only against the backdrop of popular discontent, shortages and a decline in the quality of life. That in 1989 - 91. and it was provided. Plus information support

                        perhaps even you have heard the phrase "oil and gas revenues." So, in 1984, less oil was produced in the USSR than in 1983. The Minister of the Oil Industry was immediately removed and Vasily Dinkov was appointed as the new Minister. After 2 weeks, Dinkov reported to the Politburo that the USSR was waiting for a series of years of falling oil production, because the USSR had run out of easily recoverable oil. For example, in 1980, 160 million tons of oil were produced at the Samotlor field in a year, which is 1 year. Now, the largest oil field in the Russian Federation, Priobskoye, produces 35 million tons of oil per year. Those. in 1980, the best field in the USSR produced 5 times more oil than the best field in the Russian Federation. In addition, the cost of oil production in the USSR increased significantly. If in the 9th five-year plan, in the five-year period of the fastest growth in oil production in the USSR, 26 billion rubles were invested in the oil industry, then in 1985 Dinkov reported that in order to fulfill oil production plans, 50 billion rubles should be invested annually. those. the volume of capital investments should increase 10 times in comparison with the 9th five-year plan. Of course, the USSR is not such a rich country and could not afford such expenses, so the USSR entered a period of falling oil production, and the oil industry is the main earner of money for the USSR. The USSR entered a period of crisis, which was impossible to avoid in the 1980s.
                        Quote: bayard
                        All the important things that those in power and those who were dedicated to the plans were - preparation for the drain of the USSR and privatization to their loved ones. And they succeeded

                        delusional conspiracy theories and nothing more
                        Quote: bayard
                        So at least there are no problems in the economy and filling the budget and are not foreseen yet

                        Are you delirious? In December alone, federal budget expenditures exceeded 7 trillion. rub. so much is usually spent for the whole quarter! Spending in December 7 trillion. with revenues of 3 trillion. for December. Deficit in December 4 trillion. In January, the deficit amounted to another 1,8 trillion.
                        The Ministry of Finance covered the deficit by selling the assets frozen in the West to the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. And the Central Bank of the Russian Federation bought these frozen assets for printed rubles. Those. the deficit is financed as in the 1990s by the printing press and the consequences will be as in the 1990s. Only in 1990 - the crisis was of an objective nature, and now it is man-made
                      5. 0
                        19 February 2023 16: 11
                        Quote: bayard
                        This will increase the GDP and income of businesses and citizens employed in these industries. This alone will increase retail sales, create additional demand and stimulate industry and commerce.

                        the key here is the income of precisely those enterprises and their employees who work for military orders, at the expense of those enterprises and citizens who do not work for military orders. After all, financing the budget deficit at the expense of printed rubles will lead to an increase in inflation, depreciation of working capital in the accounts of enterprises not working for the defense industry, and a drop in real incomes of people in the country.
                        Quote: bayard
                        in addition, a decision was made in the Russian Federation on the planned do-monetization of the economy up to 70% (from the former 40%). In the past period of such additional monetization (from 2005 to 2015) in Russia, there was an annual economic growth of about 7 - 10%

                        it will not be possible to maintain the level of monetization of the economy; it will decline, as it did in the 1990s. The reason is that in 0,5-1 year after a noticeable increase in inflation, confidence in the ruble will fall, which means that enterprises and people will try to get rid of rubles as soon as possible, which will lead to a reduction in the ratio of the money supply to GDP, and the attempts of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation to increase the monetary base will not help
                        Quote: bayard
                        It’s just that in Russia now everything or almost everything will have to be produced by ourselves, and this is ... the very growth of the real sector - new production, new jobs, an increase in domestic demand and supply and a multiplier effect

                        the real sector is different for the real sector. The production of armaments will increase, the production of civilian products will decrease. The growth of domestic money demand in such conditions will simply increase inflation. And in the worst case scenario, if the government starts to fight the rise in prices, then we will also get a deficit like in the late 1980s and coupons for goods.
                        As for the multiplier effect, here the positive effect will fight the negative multiplier effect from breaking more economically justified ties with foreign suppliers to less profitable ones with domestic ones. I think the negative multiplier effect will outweigh.
                        Quote: bayard
                        Under Stalin, MONEY was paid in the USSR.
                        And it was GOOD money.

                        Most working Soviet people did not see good money under Stalin.
                        For example, even in the prosperous years of 1950-1952, from 3% to 5% of the collective farms did not pay for workdays in money, in kind, or in services. Collective farmers worked there literally for free. In general, the average collective farmer in the USSR in 1952 worked on the collective farm for 180 calendar days, with an average working day from 5 hours in January to 10,5 hours in July. He earned 240 workdays for this, and received for these 240 workdays including advances: 400 kg. grain + 440 rub. money + 40 kg. garden vegetables, such as a borscht set. Now a ton of grain costs 16, which means 400 kg. cost about 6,5 thousand + 40 kg. vegetables now cost about 2 thousand and 440 rubles. in 1952, this is about 7 thousand modern in terms of purchasing power. In total, the collective farmer in 1952 received, on the scale of February 2023 prices, about 15,5 thousand rubles. And that's for a year, not a month! The average collective farmer in the USSR in the prosperous 1952 earned less than the current minimum wage for a year of work on the collective farm!!! But there were more collective farmers in the USSR in 1952 than workers + employees in cities. Terrible, transcendent poverty of the Soviet people, at least the main part of it.
                      6. 0
                        19 February 2023 13: 33
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        And even under these conditions, in the USSR cards were canceled earlier than in England.

                        don't forget, this was the third time in the short history of the USSR that cards were canceled in the USSR.
                        The first time in 1923, the second time in stages in 1935-1936, and the third time in December 1947. And in September 1946, the number of people receiving cards in the USSR was cut from 83 to 60 million people, at the expense of residents of workers' settlements. And retail prices for cards were increased by 2,5-3 times, at the same time prices were reduced by 3-8 times in the shops of the Special Trade Organization, where products were sold without cards.
                        The cities were filled that day with tearful Soviet people, saying: “We thought we would live better after the war, but it only got worse. All that was left was to hang ourselves”
                        With an average salary of workers in the fall of 1946, 450-600 rubles. card prices were raised, for example, for a loaf of rye bread from 1 rub. up to 3 rubles and at the same time they reduced the price of the same bread in the stores of the Special Trade Organization from 50 rubles. up to 8 rubles On the collective farm market, the price of bread did not change and amounted to 50 rubles.
                        Outrageous levels of poverty!
                      7. +3
                        13 February 2023 08: 50
                        Quote: bayard
                        Since the beginning of the 30s, Japan has been at war with China, and since 194, also with England and the USA. War is always bad for the economy.

                        )))
                        Not only. When you try to be a military threat to a country / countries that are many times larger than you, it usually turns out to be so-so - both with the military and with the civilian. Perhaps one Israel managed. From this point of view, Russia is partly lucky that it is not ruled by madmen, but by old clowns - otherwise the DPRK would have built much earlier and better, attempts to scare NATO naked well ... do not suggest any other options.
                        Quote: bayard
                        a large amount of marketable grain, which not only fed their cities, but it was exported in huge quantities - as payment for the supplied technical equipment for new factories

                        )))
                        Yeah. My favorite example is the "Famine in the USSR" articles on Wikipedia. From them, anyone can find out that the mentioned event was held by the Soviet government approximately every 10 years - while the Soviet government was in its best shape.
                        Quote: bayard
                        Army - everything you need, Economy - Growth, and the People - improving the quality of life

                        Oh those economists. Military spending is always a net minus of GDP - it has no multiplier effect. Only a few countries in the world are able to make the military commissar economically profitable (only one comes to mind right off the bat). Even in the States, the effectiveness of the military is in question.
                      8. +1
                        13 February 2023 21: 47
                        Quote: Negro
                        Quote: bayard
                        Since the beginning of the 30s, Japan has been at war with China, and since 194, also with England and the USA. War is always bad for the economy.

                        )))
                        Not only. When you try to be a military threat to a country / countries that are many times larger than you, it usually turns out to be so-so - both with the military and with the civilian.

                        So Japan tried, but not the USSR.
                        And in the 30s, Japan had allies in Europe. But when England, and then the USA, became their enemy, everything became hopeless for the Yaps ... but stretched out in time.
                        And when the USSR joined the war, time also ended. Without the USSR, Japan could resist for another 1,5 - 2 years, this is the US estimate at that time.
                        Quote: Negro
                        Perhaps one Israel managed.

                        Israel has never been alone. At first, he was supported and supplied by the USSR and Eastern European countries. And then the USA, France + reparations from Germany, for which all of Israel rebuilt.
                        So Israel has never been bare-assed. But in the late 40s and early 50s, the situation was risky due to the small population, small territory and unbuilt army. But the USSR then helped with personnel, primarily leadership and military personnel. Well, yes, you know that for sure.
                        Quote: Negro
                        Yeah. My favorite example is the "Famine in the USSR" articles on Wikipedia.

                        Don't read Wikipedia overnight. Especially the Ukrainian version of it.
                        The famine in the Republic of Ingushetia was regular-periodic due to the climate and the archaic nature of farming. After the collectivization and mechanization (MTS) of the village in the USSR, crops grew and even the hardest WWII of the USSR passed, albeit with cards, but without hunger (not counting the besieged Leningrad).
                        Quote: Negro
                        Only a few countries in the world are able to make the military commissar economically profitable (only one comes to mind right off the bat).

                        With proper planning and control of the financial sector, the military-industrial complex (MIC in the Russian Federation) can be, and often becomes, a growth driver.
                        In Russia, this was not possible until February 24.02.2022, XNUMX. , but now it is not only possible, but it will certainly become. All public investments in the military-industrial complex do not lead to an outflow of capital, on the contrary, they saturate the economy with money and orders. There are many new well-paid jobs, and this already means an increase in consumer demand, growth in sales and production of consumer goods. Under the conditions of sanctions, all / most of the consumer goods will have to be produced at home ... again, a multiplier effect.
                        Quote: Negro
                        Even in the States, the effectiveness of the military is in question.

                        They steal too much.
                        Moreover, kickbacks and bribes are legalized there and are called lobbying.
                        And now in Russia, instead of "olympiads", "spartakiads", "championships", etc. dope, they will build tanks, airplanes, sew uniforms, produce ammunition, UAVs, etc. necessary for the war. All this will have to be done in-house. This means that the proceeds will remain at home - within the country, and will not leak to offshore and foreign contractors. smile This means that there will be more and more money in the Economy, its body will heal, grow stronger and Yes grow.

                        Therefore, I affirm that HEALTHY MILITARISM for a Sovereign Country is GOOD. bully
                      9. +1
                        18 February 2023 18: 49
                        You forgot to note who helped us with industrialization, and at what cost it cost

                        All equipment and technologies were supplied by the same USA for gold, because. no one needed Soviet rubles, and there was no oil and gas export

                        And take an interest in how gold was mined, and about collectivization, again, about hunger
                      10. 0
                        19 February 2023 13: 21
                        Quote: bayard
                        During these same 30s, the USSR not only carried out Industrialization and rebuilt the Army, but also raised the standard of living in the country many times over.

                        Oh, these storytellers!
                        In the USSR in the early 1930s, 7,3 million people died of starvation. those. more than in all 300 years of the Romanovs. The standard of living again reached the level of 1913 only in the late 1950s. And the provision of housing for the urban population in general only in the early 1960s.
                        Quote: bayard
                        There was a healthy and balanced Militarization on the eve of the World War

                        If not for the pre-war policy of Stalin, WWII in Europe would not exist at all. Ribbentrop said that Hitler, sending him to Moscow for negotiations, said that in case of failure, the Weiss plan would have to be abandoned. Hitler will no longer make the mistake that Germany is fighting on two fronts, because of which she lost in WWI.
                        Quote: bayard
                        These people received GOOD salaries and their standard of living was constantly rising.

                        no, it did not grow; in the late 1930s, the real earnings of workers in the USSR were lower than in the late 1920s. After the rapid rise in prices in 1935-1936, and the decline in the production of some of the most important livestock products
                        Quote: bayard
                        Grew up. The collectivization and mechanization of agriculture led to a sharp and multiple increase in yields and productivity, the emergence of a large amount of marketable grain, which not only fed their cities, but it was exported in huge quantities - as payment for the supplied technical equipment for new factories

                        As a result of such collectivization, the number of horses from 1929-1934 fell by 16 million heads. At the same time, in 1940, only 400 thousand tractors in terms of 15 strong ones worked in the agricultural sector of the USSR. Those. this is 6 million mechanical horsepower, a drop in agricultural thrust-to-weight ratio by 10 million hp. and remained uncompensated. Which, of course, led to a drop in agricultural production. In order not to spread this fall across all sectors of agriculture, the Bolsheviks focused on crop production, sacrificing animal husbandry. In 1936, the grain harvest in the USSR exceeded the level of 1928, but on the other hand, the number of productive animals, the production of meat and milk, after a rapid fall in the early 1930s, did not rise to the level of 1928, not only by 1936, but generally until the end of Stalin's life. Again, the level of 1928, the animal husbandry of the USSR rose only in the late 1950s.
                        Quote: bayard
                        I had a chance to talk on this topic with many people who survived that period - from the middle to the end of the 30s, the level and quality of life grew in leaps and continued to grow

                        Didn't your mother teach you as a child that it's not good to lie?
                        Quote: bayard
                        And the quality of food also grew very quickly.
                        And filling the market with consumer goods

                        yeah, that's how it should be, the less meat and milk produced, the better the food! lol
                        In the USSR, the volume of consumption of livestock products per capita again reached the level of 1928 only in the late 1950s.
                        Quote: bayard
                        In addition, before Khrushchev's reforms, the USSR still had a diversified economy with a very large share of the private (then it was called "personal") and the collective (joint-stock) sectors

                        Terrible! What an ignoramus you are! Did you go to school at all?
                        Quote: bayard
                        State ownership was only for large enterprises, strategic industries, but what filled the market with food and consumer goods was provided by private and collective enterprises

                        after the collapse of the NEP, there were no private enterprises left, except for a few (less than ten) concessions on Sakhalin.
                        Quote: bayard
                        And therefore, everything was enough, as soon as the post-war devastation was defeated and the state stabilized

                        in all 70 years of Soviet power there was not a single day when something was not in short supply. Starting from salt, matches and kerosene and ending with jeans and two-cassette tape recorders.
                      11. 0
                        19 February 2023 13: 46
                        Quote: Raisa_Fyodorovna
                        yeah, that's how it should be, the less meat and milk produced, the better the food!

                        The generation of war is the longest-lived. With poor nutrition, then
                      12. 0
                        19 February 2023 16: 30
                        well, apparently, a new long-lived generation will appear soon
          3. +1
            14 February 2023 00: 43
            Quote: Nikolay310
            well, yes ... drive the DPRK into the wildest sanctions,

            The DPRK maintains an army of 1 bayonets (with all sorts of reserves and formations 280 per 000 heads of the electorate), Russia has 306,1, and South Korea has 1000
            Sanctions are not needed here when there are so many people in the army (does not sow, does not reap, but receives allowance)
            Sanctions were first imposed on North Korea in 2006.
            1. 0
              19 February 2023 13: 48
              Quote from Digger
              Sanctions are not needed here when there are so many people in the army

              The army may well work in the fields, and not sit in the barracks
              1. 0
                19 February 2023 16: 32
                well, then such an army may well be not an army, but ordinary workers, why call them into such an army?
          4. -1
            19 February 2023 12: 31
            Quote: Nikolay310
            well, yes ... drive the DPRK into the wildest sanctions, and then talk about the standard of living ...

            North Korean TV says that Western sanctions do not work, and even benefit from import substitution.
            Therefore, we understand that people in North Korea live better than in South Korea, which is toiling without sanctions
      2. +7
        11 February 2023 23: 59
        If this is reminiscent of Korea, then, from your point of view, are the Armed Forces of the North or the South? hi
        The option with tactical nuclear weapons is definitely not an option No.
        The option with an agreement is not realistic, so many resources have been spent, any agreement on the terms of the status quo will be perceived in the West as a defeat, the West will only accept surrender.
        It remains to fight until victory! soldier
        NATO will not climb into Ukraine, because this is too much, and a nuclear war can be provoked!
        But the Kremlin will have to sweat in order to achieve victory and not ruin Russia feel
        1. -3
          12 February 2023 21: 43
          But the Kremlin will have to sweat in order to achieve victory and not ruin Russia

          Well, you obviously won’t have to sweat, since the Kremlin is only supposed to sweat. What are you doing here then? Out of boredom, right?
      3. +4
        12 February 2023 15: 53
        Quote: not the one
        "what the coming day has in store for us."

        request That is it. The essence of the article in a nutshell - "as a result of our own policy, we got into such an ass .. that we don't know how to get out of it."
        At least downvote. I am sure that it was impossible to get into such a “w” only by stupidity and mistakes.
    2. 0
      11 February 2023 08: 20
      Quote: Dead Day
      "it vaguely reminds me of Indo-Pakistani
      incident "V.S. Vysotsky (C)

      Vysotsky does not fit here. Muslims and Indians are fighting there - two different civilizations. Here they are fighting
      two divided peoples. And throwing "vigorous" bombs on them is somehow not comme il faut! Moreover, these territories have ALREADY been accepted into Russia - is it possible to unleash a nuclear war on "own" territory? request hi
      1. -16
        11 February 2023 12: 26
        Quote: fa2998
        these territories have ALREADY been accepted into Russia - it turns out
        We compensated for the losses from the natural decline in the population of the Russian Federation in 7 years.
        1. +1
          19 February 2023 13: 50
          Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
          Quote: fa2998
          these territories have ALREADY been accepted into Russia - it turns out
          We compensated for the losses from the natural decline in the population of the Russian Federation in 7 years.

          It remains to capture Tajikistan, and you can not bother with medicine
      2. +8
        11 February 2023 13: 05
        Quote: fa2998
        two divided peoples.

        One divided people.
        1. +13
          11 February 2023 16: 23
          There is too much hatred coming from Ukraine to consider it one people with us. It seems to me that there is no such hatred towards us even from Western Europe and the USA, which are certainly not the same people with us.
          1. AAK
            +2
            11 February 2023 16: 58
            I agree, and this should work in both directions, for me a good Bandera is the 200th Bandera and nothing else, and the surviving APU-shniks, like the Germans after 1945, have been in hard labor for 10 years ...
            1. +3
              11 February 2023 17: 39
              Round trip? Would you like to hate them as well? Are they worthy of us spending our moral strength on them? I don't think so. You correctly noticed that a good Bandera is a dead Bandera, but it is necessary to make it good not on emotions, but with expressionless faces and the same icy mind. You don't feel rage or hatred towards the mosquitoes you crush, do you? You just push them.
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            2. -3
              11 February 2023 19: 35
              Quote: AAK
              surviving APU-shniks as Germans after 1945 - 10 years in hard labor ...

              no correspondence lol
          2. +1
            11 February 2023 19: 28
            You are absolutely right when you talk about Ukrainian hatred. She appeared not in a year or two. Therefore, when arranging new territories, in addition to economic issues, it will be necessary to create politically and legally conditions under which citizens who supported joining Russia will be endowed with greater civil rights than the dissatisfied part of society and with a historical perspective of the impossibility of even the emergence of the question of some kind of “exit” from Russia, Otherwise, again, in 50-100 years, they will jump and squeal, Ukraine tse Australia, or ,, Ukraine tse- Argentina ,, They already have experience. (
            1. +5
              11 February 2023 20: 06
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              it will be necessary to create politically and legally conditions under which citizens who supported joining Russia will be endowed with greater civil rights than the dissatisfied part of society and with a historical perspective of the impossibility of even the emergence of the question of some kind of,, secession from the Russian Federation,

              Everything is simple. First, no national-administrative autonomy. Ukrainian culture - please, gather in a recreation center, drink, dance hopak, embroider vyshyvanka, drink vodka under lard. But so that no tridents and "not yet died."
              Secondly, all office work is only in Russian, no Surzhik. Documents issued by an independent without an official notarized Russian translation are not valid.
              Thirdly, education is only in Russian. The Ukrainian language and literature can be studied optionally, if enough applicants are recruited in each particular school. As an alternative - an elective English (and in high school programming or driving a car there), and you will see what more people will want.
              Fourthly, to return historical toponymy. Royal names, where they were. Soviet, where there were no royal. And unequivocally remove the Petliura-Bandera names, and all names with reference to Ukraine, even in the form of "Chervona Ukraine".
              And in a generation, Ukrainians will be forgotten like a bad dream. Especially if the shelves are full of fat and vodka at reasonable prices. Well, except for Galicia.
          3. +5
            12 February 2023 12: 17
            Quote: Plate
            There is too much hatred coming from Ukraine to consider it one people with us.

            There was no less hatred between the Whites and the Reds in the Civil War, but we do not consider each other to be different peoples. And now the same Civil War has been going on sluggishly since 1991, but now it is in its hottest phase.
            1. 0
              12 February 2023 12: 42
              Quote: qqqq
              but we do not consider each other different nations.

              So they never declared each other as different peoples. If the Reds, say, said "We are a separate nation from you whites," then, given the level of hatred, I would be inclined to believe it. But this was not the case. And then a direct request: "We are separate from you." And the proof is fierce hatred. Well, you can’t hate someone with whom you are one with in some deep measure, as our propaganda claims. It won't just work.
              1. 0
                13 February 2023 09: 11
                Quote: Plate
                And then a direct request: "We are separate from you." And the proof is fierce hatred. Well, you can’t hate someone with whom you are one with in some deep measure, as our propaganda claims. It just won't work.

                You are confusing historical, genetic, etc. propaganda factors. You can claim anything. In Ukraine, they dug the seas and, in general, all of humanity, one might say, led to prosperity, but this cannot be taken seriously. Although they firmly believe in it. And you can hate your own even more than strangers, resentment is mixed in for being your own. Unfortunately now is the time of Orwell 1984.
      3. AAK
        +9
        11 February 2023 17: 06
        There is no need to use tactical nuclear weapons and strategic nuclear weapons on Bandera, you need to set up a sensible command, you need to kill dill air defense at the root, but after that napalm, ODAB, FAB-500-1500 -3000 will be enough, well, 152 and 203 artillery calibers and 300mm "Tornados"
        1. +2
          11 February 2023 18: 22
          There is a good expression: do to others as they would do to you - but do it first! Therefore, it would be good with napalm, and with FABs, and well, with tactical nuclear weapons, so that, like japs, even the thought of revenge does not arise. So the author says that the Ukrainians will use it without hesitation, if the West gives it. And yes, no one hates each other as much as those who are alike. For example, the Japanese against the Koreans or the Chinese (the Nanjing massacre, and in total 30 million Chinese were killed). And the first brothers on Earth are Cain and Abel, and one killed the other! So are we with x.o_hlami - they definitely hate us the most. I lived in the States for many years and I can say for sure that most ordinary people of the middle and upper middle class treat us normally. In general, we have at the top who decides, I'm not a military man and just an inhabitant
          1. +2
            11 February 2023 19: 29
            your conclusions, of course, are somehow childish ... for example, a lot of Russians live in Germany ... they are not burned there, they are not shot, etc. ... does this mean that the Germans did not kill peaceful Soviet people in 41 -45-xx ??? Let me remind you that out of the 27 million losses of the Soviet country, about 12 million died on the fronts ...

            Ukrainians, and even Russians, are now pumped up with propaganda ... remove the propaganda and things will get better over time ... as an example, the city of Kherson, which was cut off from the Ukrainians. Propaganda and he lived quietly in before the "difficult decision" ...
            1. -5
              11 February 2023 22: 33
              I did not write anything about Germany. I am glad that Russians are now "not burned or shot" there. About our victims during the war with Germany and United Europe, I do not need to be reminded: I have 2 higher ones behind me (and you?). And about
              "Ukrainian. propagandu" tell someone else. And at the same time, tell us how the Svidomo "waiters" handed over Russian sympathizers to the returning Nazis. Don't answer me, you are stupid
            2. 0
              11 February 2023 23: 46
              Quote: Nikolay310
              your conclusions, of course, are somehow childish ... for example, a lot of Russians live in Germany ... they are not burned there, they are not shot, etc. ... does this mean that the Germans did not kill peaceful Soviet people in 41 -45-xx ??? Let me remind you that out of the 27 million losses of the Soviet country, about 12 million died on the fronts ...

              Who are the other 15 million?
        2. -2
          11 February 2023 23: 00
          It is not clear why you are still not in the General Staff
          1. -7
            11 February 2023 23: 58
            Stand up for the comrade, Olezhek? Has that shift ended, or are you both crippled that I lived in the States for a long time and I have 2 universities behind me? Why do Russian people have such a habit: in response to your answer to someone, something immediately jumps out of the toilet in a conditional Mukho_ cf.ansk ... and for some reason begins to answer you.
            Didn't your mother teach you not to interfere in someone else's conversation?
            And I don’t need the General Staff, I am quite well off and I travel the world even now.
            1. +5
              12 February 2023 07: 14
              Didn't your mother teach you not to interfere in someone else's conversation?

              The presence of crusts about two higher education does not at all guarantee a good education and a developed intellect. Your application about someone else's conversation is evidence of this. There are no outside conversations here. But you don't understand it. Alas.

              And I don’t need the General Staff, I am quite well off and I travel the world even now.

              The second example of your to put it mildly narrow-mindedness. The availability of funds does not replace any special knowledge.
              1. -4
                12 February 2023 14: 30
                Analyst and predictor: you are an expert (and everything that you put into your nickname) like a bullet out of shit. You have been on the site, like me, since February 2022, but you managed to write something that "earned" as much - 12907 for 500 comments (you are prolific!), I emphasize: this is with a minus sign! I have +1000 with a little with 50 comments (I pee sometimes, I confess, I'm retired). Maybe it's better for you to do what you know, well, for example, plant potatoes? Do not torture yourself and people!
                And yet, there are already 4 of you running into my modest comment. What is it that pisses you off so much? Or are you all bots? Then it is clear: instead of an article or an opinion expressed about it, you are commenting on a commentator!
                Yes, and tell the first of you, the number one, to learn Russian in writing. But I'm afraid it's too late.
            2. 0
              12 February 2023 10: 32
              or it hurts both of you that I lived in the States for a long time and I have 2 universities behind
              Classical problems are manifested in terms of self-esteem. Here, many have more than one higher. This does not guarantee anything, especially Western education, as a narrowly specialized one, without a breadth of knowledge (there are examples). You began to boast about two formations. These are your show-offs from low self-realization in the USA. There is education, but not without use. Work not according to the profile and not according to the Wishlist in terms of payment. One hundred poods. Just like the classics.
            3. -1
              12 February 2023 21: 32
              Quote: Side view
              Stand up for the comrade, Olezhek? Has that shift ended, or are you both crippled that I lived in the States for a long time and I have 2 universities behind me? Why do Russian people have such a habit: in response to your answer to someone, something immediately jumps out of the toilet in a conditional Mukho_ cf.ansk ... and for some reason begins to answer you.
              Didn't your mother teach you not to interfere in someone else's conversation?
              And I don’t need the General Staff, I am quite well off and I travel the world even now.

              Does this violate VO rules? Have you read them? That's what an open discussion is, that everyone has the right to join it and express their opinion.
              No need to try to set your own rules here.
              As for your education and diplomas, nobody cares about them here.
              What you write here is appreciated. I also have two higher educations.
              Knowledge must be shown and position, not diplomas.
              1. -4
                13 February 2023 12: 30
                Wow, already the 5th connected! You have a team of pros. Here you are, for example: registered on the site since October 22, and already over 500 comments! Against my 50 in a year. That is, you live right here! Maybe you are in the State Duma, with such and such energy (and also 2nd higher education)? And it’s not for you to teach me the rules - it’s just an exchange of opinions, but on my comment, where I didn’t offend anyone, as many as 5 people came running, and all with a huge number of comments, which cannot but cause some thoughts. The jokes began, and I had to say about 2 diplomas and the fact that I lived most of my life in the USA. About one of you babbling about my insolvency there - - take my word for it, I received a 6-figure salary when the President of the United States received only 300 thousand dollars - well, again, I'm just answering. Don't choke on saliva, lancer
            4. 0
              19 February 2023 20: 38
              Quote: Side view
              Why do Russian people have such a habit: in response to your answer to someone, something immediately jumps out of the toilet in a conditional Mukho_ cf.ansk ... and for some reason begins to answer you.
              Didn't your mother teach you not to interfere in someone else's conversation?

              Dear foreigner! This is the Internet, and since you write on the forum, anyone can express their opinion. There is a personal for close communication.
      4. +3
        11 February 2023 23: 15
        Muslims and Hindus living in India and Pakistan, as well as in Bangladesh, often belong to the same ethnic groups. For example, the majority of Bengalis in India are Hindus, although there are also Muslims. In Bangladesh, the same Bengalis live in the main, predominantly Muslims. But there are also Indians.
      5. +5
        12 February 2023 00: 06
        I'm not sure that Western Ukrainians are our people. Maybe 700 years ago they were, but let's say for the last 400 years they lived under the Poles, and the Austro-Hungarians, under the Lithuanians. My wife is from Volyn, I talked to her grandfather in 2001 when I went there, he was born in 1920 and my father-in-law told me about his grandfather, born in 1897. Went there once and that's it. Believe me, these comrades are definitely not brothers to us, and when I talked with them, it seems that they have nothing to do with the Slavs.
        1. +1
          12 February 2023 06: 50
          Believe me, these comrades are definitely not brothers to us, and when I talked with them, it seems that they have nothing to do with the Slavs

          I absolutely agree with you. Whoever does not understand this is either "not far off in the mind", or has his own "selfish interests".
          I'll say more. My classmate served urgently (DMB 77-79) in the then Soviet army somewhere near Ivano-Frankivsk, in a motorized rifle regiment. Occasionally they corresponded (I am in the Vologda region, in the air defense of the RTV, at the same time, only the autumn draft).
          In one of his letters, he writes to me (the conversation turned to layoffs - and where in the Vologda forest will you go - unless you “visit” the wolves) - “Vit, they don’t let us go anywhere either. The political officer says you need to return home alive and healthy.
          All because of these local, "French"...
          While sober - still tolerable, but when they get drunk - (censorship) they still ...
          At first I did not understand, and then I simply forgot this expression of his - "French". Moreover, this topic was not advertised at that time and was hushed up ... And when it all began to spin, on one of the resources I met this nickname "Westerners". I started to "google" - and I learned such things about that epidemic ... And how it affected subsequent generations ...
    3. +4
      12 February 2023 13: 26
      I'm embarrassed to ask: has Gazmanov's concert in Kyiv already been cancelled? Together with denazification and demilitarization of all Ukraine? And what happened? We have all the "trump cards" in our hands: the smartest leadership with the greatest grandmaster of the world's political parties at the head, the second army of the world with the best defense minister, weapons "unparalleled in the world", the smartest Foreign Ministry headed by the genius of world diplomacy, the economy of which is sanctioned only for the benefit, strong rubles, which will soon "kill" the dollar, are there allies who also need to be looked for, etc.? What happened? request
  2. +7
    11 February 2023 04: 47
    How Russia can complete NWO… three plots and one scenario

    — verbose transfusion by the author from empty to empty
    1. +12
      11 February 2023 06: 49
      Well, please provide us with your vision of the current situation, and how to fix it. Briefly, without unnecessary water. Look forward to.
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      2. -2
        11 February 2023 10: 37
        expansion of the conflict. IMHO - only one recipe. To create so many points of tension for the West all over the planet that it has no time for Tsegabonia .. Moreover, points in all areas - from military to economic. To support by any means everyone who wants to butt with him, to cut off the supply of any resources.

        For the West-understands power and only power. And nothing else .. It is a pity that our adored guarantor does not want to understand this point-blank. But it was precisely his Tolstoy-compromising policy that brought us to the current situation!! They don’t corny fear him and don’t believe that he is capable of something serious .. Therefore, they blow their nose at his threats and warnings. Hence the sad results.
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          1. -10
            11 February 2023 12: 24
            Do you think it's really that hard? The world is full of countries and movements that hate America fiercely. We just need to help them a little.
            1. +13
              11 February 2023 16: 26
              All these countries and movements are bombed once or twice. The Americans are fighting normally, and not like our generals. A moment - and the bombs are already falling down. And it doesn't matter what's down there: cities, hospitals, villages... If there is an enemy, bombs and rockets will fly.
            2. +18
              11 February 2023 16: 39
              Do you think it's really that hard? The world is full of countries and movements that hate America fiercely. We just need to help them a little.

              You will go down to earth and look at the realities of our country, because the friends of our guarantor have a different opinion. For example, Rotenberg had to resume the transit of his ammonia through the ammonia pipeline passing near Kupyansk and through the Kherson region, which is why the "regrouping" and "difficult decision" happened.
              The owner of Lukoil, Alikperov, consistently supplies fuel to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the head of Gazprom, Miller and Rosneft, Sechin, steadily pay Ukraine for transit, from which weapons and ammunition that kill our soldiers are paid, the head of Rostec, Chemezov, created an organized criminal group and saws military-industrial complex enterprises, and even the SVO did not stop him.
              What are you offering? For example, if Norilsk Nickel stops supplying Palladium and Nickel to the world markets, then a collapse in the global auto industry may occur, but would the Russian patriot and oligarch Potanin want to do this?
              1. +12
                11 February 2023 17: 46
                Yeah, there will be a collapse without Russian nickel and palladium, of course. In terms of nickel, Indonesia ranks first. In terms of palladium, Russia is first, but South Africa follows with almost the same share, and then Canada, which, together with South Africa, occupies almost half of world production. And their joint share is greater than that of Russia. So, before such statements, do not hesitate to look at the statistics.
                The Western military-industrial complex will continue to function without our resources, as it did, but what will happen to our enterprises is a question. I don't think that Russia itself will be able to consume 40% of the world's palladium. And hardly anyone can.
                By the way, this dirty trade plays both ways. Interestingly, if Russia did not buy anything abroad, would the NWO still go? Would the missiles still fly? Could people living in cities not bordering Ukraine live in exactly the same way as they lived before?
                1. +2
                  11 February 2023 20: 14
                  Quote: Plate
                  Yeah, there will be a collapse without Russian nickel and palladium, of course. In terms of nickel, Indonesia ranks first. In terms of palladium, Russia is first, but South Africa follows with almost the same share, and then Canada, which, together with South Africa, occupies almost half of world production. And their joint share is greater than that of Russia. So, before such statements, do not hesitate to look at the statistics.

                  But the purchase prices for palladium scrap have risen so much that an epidemic of catalytic thefts has begun in America. Pickups and SUVs were especially affected - the greater the ground clearance, the easier it is to work. Crawled with a grinder, a couple of minutes, and a hundred bucks in my pocket.
                  1. +5
                    11 February 2023 20: 58
                    Quote: Nagan
                    In America, an epidemic of catalytic thefts began.

                    Wow, how scary to live in America. Probably the janitors also take off when they leave, as in the USSR, and they take the radio tape recorder with them into the house, as in Russia in the 90s.
                    1. +2
                      11 February 2023 21: 16
                      Quote: Negro
                      Wow, how scary to live in America.
                      Your brothers, who are 13%, do not let you get bored. They account for I do not remember exactly how much, but much more than 50% of violent crimes.
                      Quote: Negro
                      Probably even wipers take off when they leave,

                      This has not happened yet.
                      Quote: Negro
                      and they take the radio with them into the house, as in Russia in the 90s.

                      In the 1990s, this was also the case in America, even radios with a removable front panel were popular, without which the radio is useless, and the panel itself easily fits into a pocket or purse. Disadvantage: lost the panel - change the radio. And now the entertainment center is so integrated into the car that it will cost so much effort and money to adapt it to another car, it's easier and cheaper to buy the right one.
                      1. -1
                        11 February 2023 22: 33
                        Quote: Nagan
                        Your brothers, who are 13%, do not let you get bored

                        With the brothers just a short conversation. The problem with "enlightened" prosecutors and mayors.
                        Quote: Nagan
                        And now the entertainment center is so integrated into the car that it will cost so much effort and money to adapt it to another car, it's easier and cheaper to buy a known fit

                        Well, the business is closed. You have to take the wheels off.
            3. +1
              11 February 2023 23: 02
              They answered you correctly - do not tear your navel
        2. +4
          12 February 2023 07: 18
          To create for the West so many points of tension all over the planet that it would not have time for Tsegabonia ..

          Great advice. He has only one drawback. It is impossible to implement. Other than that, you are just a genius!
      3. -1
        11 February 2023 13: 12
        Quote: ASAD
        Well, please provide us with your vision of the current situation,

        The situation is described correctly-pat. It can only be broken in our favor by the West's fear of destruction and (or) the creation of an alliance that will surpass them in its economic (primarily) power. There is a precedent - the destruction of our infrastructure (SPK), so testing nuclear weapons in space could be a completely adequate response. They would demonstrate determination and at the same time clean up the orbit from spy satellites. They hurt us, we hurt them. and in addition to intensify open ties with Iran and S. Korea (everything is open with China anyway).
        1. +7
          11 February 2023 19: 31
          It is dangerous for us to use nuclear weapons. It will piss off the whole world. And then even more weapons will go to Ukraine, up to nuclear. And already nuclear bombs will fall on our cities. Are you ready for this?
          1. +2
            12 February 2023 12: 09
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            It is dangerous for us to use nuclear weapons.

            I agree, only everything will come to this, only we will already be forced to hit the ground. The potentials of the West and ours are not very comparable. Therefore, it is better in space, where still everything will only be limited to anger and condemnation. Only fear will force us to be reckoned with.
          2. 0
            19 February 2023 20: 50
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            And then even more weapons will go to Ukraine, up to nuclear

            It must be made clear that the matter will not be limited to Ukraine. In Europe, after all, not quite fools are sitting, otherwise NATO troops would have been sent near Kyiv long ago
        2. +1
          12 February 2023 07: 25
          the creation of an alliance that will surpass them in its economic (primarily) power.

          Great idea. Another would be to find countries on Earth with economies larger than those of Japan and Germany. And to persuade them to enter into an alliance with Russia with the leading role of the Russian Federation. Well, on the little things - to find a couple of dozen more countries with economies larger than those of all sorts of France and Great Britain. And persuade them too. Or force.
          I am sure that 50-100 years will be enough to create such a union. Well, a maximum of 150 years, but no more.
          And we will ask NATO to wait for now.
          1. 0
            12 February 2023 12: 15
            Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
            Another would be to find countries on Earth with economies larger than those of Japan and Germany. And to persuade them to enter into an alliance with Russia with the leading role of the Russian Federation.

            The road will be mastered by the walking one. What should you start with. Of course, nothing will happen right away. But our resources and personnel can greatly speed up the process. And most importantly, there must be an alternative to the West. A sort of analogue of the USSR, I mean only the meaning of another pole of power. And yes, it’s practically impossible to create something equal to them, but again, you can take away their ability to rob others, and then it won’t be so rosy there.
            1. +3
              12 February 2023 18: 41
              there must be an alternative to the West.

              At the moment, this is not realistic. We can dream about it, they even write all sorts here about various organizations that are allegedly competitors to the West. But this is all deceit and self-deception. It is necessary to deal with what is in our power - at least to restore order in our country and our own economy. And it’s better to forget about the anti-West for now and not waste time and energy on illusions.
              1. +1
                13 February 2023 01: 13
                Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
                all sorts of things are written here about various organizations that are allegedly competitors to the West ... But it’s better to forget about the anti-West for now
                Only the West will not be able to forget about us. And it does not take long to look for countries that would like to join a serious coalition that protects them from the claims of Western hegemonism. It is important for us to behave in such a way that they believe in its reliability. And while it works.
            2. +1
              13 February 2023 00: 58
              Quote: qqqq
              And most importantly, there must be an alternative to the West.

              Come on, this is your alternative to the West. I like living in Western civilization too. The only thing I don't like about it is that it's not my country that's the boss. Well, this is solvable. The West has changed its locomotive several times in history. Now is just a window of opportunity for change.

              I can express the idea that it was precisely because the USSR lost to the West that it fought with the West, and not for the West. Everyone who fought against him lost. All. Absolutely everything. But we must understand that the West in this context is not the US and the UK. They are only those who lead it. And so the struggle for the West was just a struggle for leadership within the framework of Western civilization. And, I think, if the USSR had set itself such a task, then it would have forced the States and Britain to dance famously there, since it had everything for this.
              1. +1
                13 February 2023 01: 24
                Quote: Plate
                The West has changed its locomotive several times in history. Now is just a window of opportunity for change.
                They have problems with the food supply, the "locomotive" is very voracious, there are no other reasons to replace it, but they cannot offer anything else, they have not invented ischsho.
                1. +1
                  13 February 2023 17: 22
                  Yes, Russia would be a great new locomotive for the West, in my opinion. We will reach the level of gluttony of Americans in a couple of decades only at least, but at the same time we have something to offer in this capacity right now.
      4. -3
        12 February 2023 01: 07
        Well, please provide us with your vision of the current situation, and how to fix it. Briefly, without unnecessary water. Look forward to. Apparently there is no simple answer to this question. The oligarchy to restrain political power and, together with the fifth column, push things towards an agreement from the West!
    2. +12
      11 February 2023 08: 26
      Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
      verbose transfusion by the author from empty to empty

      Didn't see it. The author raises the most pressing question that worries even the most distant housewife on both sides of the border - how long?

      Everyone wants this operation to be over with something faster. Of course, everyone wants victory (which is also incomprehensible, everyone has their own, including our president), but only a few agree to pay for it with what you have (your own life and the life of your children).
      1. -1
        12 February 2023 07: 28
        The author raises the most pressing question that worries even the most distant housewife on both sides of the border - how long?

        For a housewife, it is probably quite enough that this question is raised for the million and one hundred and first time. I would like some new ideas, options, thoughts. Moreover, smart, reasoned, and not blah blah blah.
  3. +21
    11 February 2023 04: 50
    None of the above scenarios will solve the problem. For a relatively painless way out of this situation, changes in the country's leadership are needed.
    1. +29
      11 February 2023 05: 36
      Quote: Tucan
      None of the above scenarios will solve the problem. For a relatively painless way out of this situation, changes in the country's leadership are needed.

      Most of the stupid things our "multi-movers" have already done, there are almost no real tools left.
      1. +18
        11 February 2023 05: 51
        Our "multi-movers" have already done most of the stupid things ...

        But you are a pessimist, however, they still have room to grow and we will see it and feel it in our own skin. And all this is very sad.
        1. +9
          11 February 2023 13: 18
          Yesterday's situation near Ugledar suggests that there is nowhere to grow, we have already started on the next circle of attacking a rake. The personnel issue is already overripe.
      2. +5
        11 February 2023 06: 52
        According to the author, there are no completely positive options for completing the military operation in Ukraine.

        Corporate interests prevail over the national interests of the country. What is needed is not Victory, but the status quo, the preservation of the way of life. The Russian world was burned on August 2, 2015.
        1. +13
          11 February 2023 07: 12
          I agree with previous speakers ... Unfortunately ...
          1. +8
            11 February 2023 11: 47
            Quote: not the one
            I agree with previous speakers ... Unfortunately ...

            I also support, all the above comments are quite sensible and reflect the real state of affairs.
            1. -4
              11 February 2023 12: 34
              Quote: lis-ik
              I also support all the above comments
              Specify: "As part of an organized group of six people - ...". It's just that there are a lot of different - somewhat contradictory - comments above.
    2. +21
      11 February 2023 07: 17
      Quote: Tucan
      changes in the country's leadership are needed.

      The leadership of the country in many ways takes place with a great eye on the true masters of Russia, and these are not ordinary Russian people. While some perform feats and die at the front, others take care of their selfish interests, making money, maintaining their business, accumulating their billions.

      That is why the NWO became a "Strange Military Operation", when they fight with one "hand", and sell strategic resources to their enemies with the other, maintain the communications and commodity flows necessary for business. The preventive strike, which could have largely decided the outcome of the operation, was mediocrely lost, smeared on insignificant targets, and our troops were generally “brilliantly” set up, both in terms of the balance of forces and the nature of the invasion.

      Also, by the way, everything could have been resolved already in 2014, when force and international law were on our side. Why were they waiting for 8 years, the strengthening of the Nazis, why did they not immediately recognize the Donbass, did not support the "Russian Spring"? The answer is still the same, dependence on the West, and, again, the selfish interests of our oligarchs. Therefore, one can endlessly question and resent, but against all the might of the collective West, Russia can and must oppose the planned economy, and, truly, people's power.

      Otherwise, we will simply be bled dry, both economically and in terms of human losses at the front. They will force them to empty the arsenals, even Soviet stocks from the power of the industry of the USSR, and after that our associates will be forced to accept an ultimatum on conditions that are shameful for Russia. The interests of our moneybags, of course, will suffer little in this case, since they are not a threat to the West, but the great Soviet legacy - nuclear potential, Russia is still the only country in the world that is guaranteed to destroy the United States. Here, the elimination of this possibility is the main goal of both the masters of world capitalism and their lackeys in Russia, no matter how hypocritically they pretend to be the guardians of their common people.
      1. +20
        11 February 2023 07: 55
        and after that, our associates will be forced to accept an ultimatum on conditions that are shameful for Russia.
        I sometimes get the impression that the NWO started to speed up this process, it was painfully slow, the legacy of the USSR was eaten away .. And then "in one fell swoop, all beaten", to dust .. And everyone is happy, everyone laughs .. Multiplying their capitals.
        1. +16
          11 February 2023 08: 38
          I sometimes get the impression that the SVO was started to speed up this process, it was painfully slow, the legacy of the USSR was being eaten away .. And then "in one fell swoop, all beaten", to dust ..

          Apparently, every society has a code of self-destruction. If the built system produces only lies and is not really capable of anything, in the end, the “panic button” works. So that the zrazy does not spread further around the world

          Society commits suicidal acts, under various pretexts and justifications. For example - it gets out of the blue into a deliberately losing war. Which, as a result, will destroy and reformat the existing orders in society

          History is full of such cases. It can be considered a joke or a folk tale. Maybe just a coincidence...
          1. +12
            11 February 2023 10: 34
            - climbs out of the blue into a deliberately losing war.
            Here I recall a phrase said by you know who, they say, they didn’t repeat the mistakes of the past and struck first, with a hint of the actions of the USSR leadership before the Great Patriotic War, but it seems that if the USSR attacked first, it was the same as today, they would support Germany, well, how come, the communists attacked a "democratic" country, here it is the world communist expansion .. A lot of mistakes have been made that cannot be corrected. The only thing, we can say with confidence, will not be better. We will remain like that old woman , at the broken trough. Many people live in the Emerald City and wear green glasses, and you take off your glasses and you will see that the city is not made of emeralds, but of artificial crystal.
            1. +13
              11 February 2023 11: 52
              Quote: parusnik
              Many people live in the Emerald City and wear green glasses, and you take off your glasses and you will see that the city is not made of emeralds, but of artificial crystal.

              Many do not want to take off either emerald or rose-colored glasses. It’s much more convenient and, most importantly, complacency and self-conceit do not suffer, the braces do not collapse, and you can continue to watch the zombie and be filled with pride for the unparalleled and even rows of ceremonial calculations.
              1. +3
                11 February 2023 19: 47
                These people in pink and emerald glasses are just stupid people and they turned out to be the majority in Russia. Why do we have such a stupid population? I think because the power is owned by a zomboyaschik, who intoxicates the people. It is beneficial for the authorities to have stupid people, it is easier to manage such people, it is easier to deceive.
                1. +3
                  11 February 2023 22: 26
                  I think because the power is owned by a zomboyaschik, who intoxicates the people.

                  There is an opinion - a zombie man does not make people stupid, propaganda was originally designed for stupid

                  On the other hand, the example of Germany is 1930-40xx, and the Germans certainly cannot be called stupid people. And they did such a game

                  “- And we didn’t know what was happening behind the fence, we didn’t look in that direction

                  To which was the answer:

                  “To do this, you need to know in which direction you don’t need to look.”
                2. +3
                  11 February 2023 23: 09
                  I don’t know if I can console you with the fact that the majority of the population of those countries where I happened to visit (not as a tourist) is exactly the same.
      2. +11
        11 February 2023 09: 25
        Quote: Per se.
        Otherwise, we will simply be bled dry, both economically and in terms of human losses at the front. They will force them to empty the arsenals, even Soviet stocks from the power of the industry of the USSR, and after that our associates will be forced to accept an ultimatum on conditions that are shameful for Russia.


        So far, everything is moving towards this, and it seems that the current leadership is satisfied with this situation .... everything is going according to the plan of the West (economic / political / demographic / technological stranglehold on Russia's neck and a decrease in our capabilities and resources), and in response we play according to their rules.

        In 2014, as you rightly noted, we had a completely different situation in Ukraine (Yanukovych, international law, support for the population of Ukraine, etc.), but our "wise men" lost everything, and decided to catch up with the departed train .. .. theoretically, if since 2014 everything had been done as it should in 2022 (in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, in the economy / industry), then everything would not have been so sad, and it would have been possible to create a coalition from at least the EAEU, the CSTO and imagine all this is like a conflict between the West and the East + we would be able to use not only our resources (military / human / political ...), as the Anglo-Saxons and the USA successfully do, when even the Baltic dwarfs contribute to their victory, but also ours really couldn’t do anything ....

        It was possible to create an economic coalition of anti-Western countries (Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, Nicaragua, North Korea, Syria, etc.) and create a single mechanism for transactions in the banking system, make cooperation in the economy / industry, but also, alas ...

        With BRICS, we would definitely not have succeeded in this, because. there are global players and have their own interests, and hopes that China / India / Brazil will come into conflict with the West with us - stupid.

        A lot of things could have been done differently .... it’s just a pity that time has been lost, and the current leadership does not want to admit and, most importantly, correct their mistakes .... all these games with the West, agreements will not lead to good, this only shows our weakness , it is necessary for the West itself to request negotiations, and then it will be possible to try to negotiate something. and now they are not interested, they have everything according to plan.
        1. +5
          11 February 2023 21: 03
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          A lot of things could have been done differently...
          Dear Alexander, you must understand that in order to "do it differently", our country must have a pole of power independent of world capitalism, and not have a Central Bank under the IMF, trade under the WTO, and, in general, bad boys in power in their bourgeoisie under the West.

          Indeed, the impression is that our authorities are doing only what the West allows them to do in order to raise their rating or save their image. Moreover, they do it in such a way that they choose the most ineffective, costly or losing move for Russia, but, invariably, under fireworks and holidays. They took Crimea (it was already impossible not to take it), but they lost all of Ukraine, its southeast, definitely. We went to half measures and agreements, having obtained sanctions anyway, and recognizing Poroshenko, they automatically made Yanukovych and Azarov not legitimate, and the annexation of Crimea - annexation.

          For eight years, the Russians in the Donbass have been waiting for the recognition of their referendums, which, by the way, are no less legal than those in Crimea, while in our country they were called "self-proclaimed republics." I repeat, what did our government expect? And, again, when it was already impossible to pull any further, - a "blitzkrieg", and, again, thanks that the "preemptive strike" happened in February, and not on June 22, but anyway, Russia has already been made an "aggressor", for all the rules of international law.

          Now we have put a lot of men in frontal attacks, there is a colossal consumption of ammunition, with our industry optimized by "effective managers" and dependence on imports. They developed only what went for the sale of resources, passing it off, again, as great achievements, under fireworks and holidays. Cunningly ... Here is the question, the main question, is it possible, being in capitalism, to defeat world capitalism, being completely dependent on its world masters?

          Is it possible to trust the renegades, bad boys who have already betrayed the CPSU and the Soviet Union? Probably, while under fireworks and holidays, there remains the belief that it is possible to live in some kind of "parallel", independent capitalism, everything will continue like this. But, the great Soviet legacy will soon dry up, and the country will most likely be handed over to the West, of course, in the name of peace, humanism and tolerance (well, don’t bomb your accounts in foreign banks and wives on vacation, children at school). It is difficult to give up earlier, having such a nuclear potential from the USSR, the people will not understand.
          1. +2
            12 February 2023 19: 00
            Unfortunately ... it looks like that - that you are groping for the truthful direction of analysis and the corresponding conclusions!
        2. +1
          11 February 2023 23: 11
          It was possible to create an economic coalition of anti-Western countries (Cuba, Iran, Venezuela, Nicaragua, North Korea, Syria, etc.)
          - Mlyayayaya, are you serious?
        3. +2
          13 February 2023 09: 17
          You are absolutely right, in 2014 the situation was completely different. Just not in the way you want.
          Yanukovych? Community support? That's what Bandera ran all over Ukraine shouting to a Muscovite against a Gilyak, and there were only isolated cases of opposition to this, ending in suppression, usually bloody. And what is international law? Condemned the House of Trade Unions? Condemned the coup? Ahh, I understand, they imposed sanctions on us for Crimea - it was a friendly step.
          Create a coalition? We are forming a coalition, why did the SCO not please? Since 2014, India and Pakistan have joined, plus many more countries have lined up. Only this is not a matter of two months, in the American-centric world it is required not only to invite everyone to embrace you, but to break the system. And the system is damn powerful and resists. We have the CSTO, but can these poor and weak countries, whose citizens work on our construction sites and bring food to our apartment doors, with a mentality not far removed from the Khokhlyat’s (ready to surrender, the price is negotiable), can be tangible help in the fight against West? Our task is not to let them fly away completely from our orbit, and for this it is stupid to pull them into our conflict. And you found a comparison, Baltic dwarfs ... there are more people living in Tajikistan alone than in all the Baltic dwarfs, the whole point of their existence is to get a pinch of money and provide their territories as a springboard against Russia. And what should we give to Kazakhstan, and what should it do to help us in our conflict? War-ravaged Syria, impoverished Cuba and Nicaragua... the economic union is so-so, they are unlikely to be able to digest our oil, nickel, palladium and many other things that bring money to finance the NWO.
          In addition, gold reserves in 2014 were a quarter less, and about 100 billion of them were in treasuries, in November 2021 there were only 2 billion of them left. at all.
          And the Power of Siberia was not even close. And there was no Yamal LNG, and gas carriers, and the SevMorPut worked almost 2 times less than now. The question is - could our country survive the sanctions against our oil and gas industry in 2014 with the above data?
          What happened to food safety in 2014? And how was it in the troops with the saturation of modern technology? If we are now reading how they are fighting in the NWO on the equipment of the 70s, what would it be like in 2014? Let's imagine that in 2014 the conflict could not be resolved quickly, something would go wrong and it dragged on. What would we fight? Over the past 8 years, the West has not fundamentally increased the number of its weapons, but we, at the very least, rearmed.
          On which point am I wrong? And how can these factors be dismissed as insignificant?

          It is a pity to see how the most plused comments on the Military Review are messages in the style of "you just need to tighten up, and we will defeat everyone, but the corrupt oligarchs won't give!" They have zero constructiveness and attempts to really consider the situation. People give out recipes without even bothering to look in the fridge to see if they have the required ingredients. And then they write "what a pity that there are so many stupid people in Russia, they, unlike us, do not understand anything."
          1. 0
            16 February 2023 09: 16
            It is a pity to see how the most plused comments on the Military Review are messages in the style of "you just need to tighten up, and we will defeat everyone

            Agree with your words...
            I personally call these "urya-quacks", the only purpose of which is "cardboard shoulder straps with watercolor stars" here on the site.
            The only thing I want to add is that the current oligarchic-clan power is not "sharpened" for confrontation, being in the paradigm of its own selfish interests.
            The result - we have what we have.
          2. 0
            19 February 2023 21: 02
            Quote from: Piton_KAA
            We are forming a coalition, why did the SCO not please?

            They join the SCO and Brix not to butt heads with the United States. But to get trade preferences. Well, yes, you can trade for national currencies. Not a single country from the top thirty has openly sided with Russia. Everyone is afraid of sanctions. Yes, and why the same Brazil and Pakistan to go against the collective West
      3. +7
        11 February 2023 09: 31
        Quote: Per se.
        preemptive strike, which could already largely decide the outcome of the operation, stupidly was lost, smeared on unimportant targets

        The main mistake, which was followed by leaving a large part of the occupied territories and stubbornly pushing the horns into the most fortified part of Ukraine. As well as ignoring the tasks that could bring victory - disruption of logistics, suppression of air defense, large encirclements and girths ...
        1. +6
          11 February 2023 17: 29
          Quote: Stas157
          The main mistake

          The main mistake is ignoring the laws of war.
      4. +7
        11 February 2023 09: 55
        Quote: Per se.
        Also, by the way,

        Finally, in the subject, men, not "uryakalki". there were thoughts that are worth reflecting on. otherwise, not VO but a "kindergarten" has become.
    3. -7
      11 February 2023 08: 11
      Our country, Russia? what what
      Quote: Tucan
      None of the above scenarios will solve the problem. For a relatively painless way out of this situation, changes in the country's leadership are needed.
      1. +10
        11 February 2023 11: 56
        Quote: fa2998
        Our country, Russia?

        Damn it, Zimbabwe.
    4. +8
      11 February 2023 08: 56
      Quote: Tucan
      None of the above scenarios will solve the problem.

      Which problem? Preservation of power by the current group of persons in the Russian Federation or some kind of victory, the criteria for which are not clear?
      Any of these scenarios threaten the power of the current grouping of individuals, while not leading to a guaranteed victory for Russia. Losing according to the Karabakh scenario is safe for the authorities. The conclusions suggest themselves. Everything that happens confirms these conclusions.
    5. +1
      11 February 2023 10: 24
      Quote: Tucan
      For a relatively painless way out of this situation, changes in the country's leadership are needed.

      Not a fig to itself "painless".

      This is out of the question.
    6. +4
      11 February 2023 10: 40
      changes in the country's leadership are needed.

      I'm afraid - this is not enough.. It is necessary to change the social system. With capitalism - the war with its cradle, the West, is basically impossible to win ..
      1. +4
        11 February 2023 16: 22
        But now it's harder to do than in
        1917, then the West was weakened by the war and, most importantly, divided, plus a powerful leftist movement that supported our revolution, and even our own revolutions. Therefore, then we got off relatively lightly in terms of intervention.
      2. +1
        11 February 2023 19: 55
        That is why the capitalist system does not prevent Ukraine from successfully resisting the "second army of the world", just as capitalism does not prevent it from successfully providing assistance to NATO countries? And socialism did not help the USSR much in the war with little Finland, despite the many times greater losses of our side. Victory in WWII? So it cost us more than 20 million lives. Such a victory can be won only once, there will not be enough for the second country, and its population. Now, no matter what the system in the country is, we cannot win in this way - politics has nothing to do with it, pure demography.
    7. -9
      11 February 2023 13: 01
      Quote: Tucan
      For a relatively painless way out of this situation, changes in the country's leadership are needed.
      Exactly! It is most convenient to change horses at the crossing in the middle of the river flow. Let the enemy wait a little while our entire apparatus is replaced and gets the job done. But then we'll fry it so fry ...
      1. +8
        11 February 2023 14: 41
        Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
        Exactly! It is most convenient to change horses at the crossing in the middle of the river flow.

        Judging by history, horses are only changed at the crossing. Well, if for real.
        1. -3
          11 February 2023 18: 15
          Quote: Stas157
          Judging by history, horses are only changed at the crossing.
          Well, you got stuck in history.
      2. +5
        11 February 2023 17: 31
        Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
        It is most convenient to change horses at the crossing in the middle of the river flow

        I remember the artist Kryuchkov from the podium of the Congress of People's Deputies said the same about Gorbachev. But during the Great Patriotic War, Stalin did not hesitate to remove ignoramuses and replace them with capable ones
        1. -4
          11 February 2023 18: 18
          Quote: Pilat2009
          But during the Great Patriotic War, Stalin did not hesitate to remove the ignoramuses and replace them with capable ones.
          Putin is not shy either. But you also want to remove it, so that there would be no one to remove the ignoramuses.
        2. 0
          14 February 2023 22: 00
          Quote: Pilat2009
          I remember the artist Kryuchkov from the rostrum of the congress of people's deputies spoke about Gorbachev in the same way.

          I also sometimes remember those events. Only it was not the artist Kryuchkov who said this, but the artist Mikhail Ulyanov. No wonder he later regretted what he said. Yes, then many thought so without suspecting how it would all end.
    8. 0
      11 February 2023 13: 59
      Question.
      Countries or countries? Please specify.
    9. +8
      11 February 2023 14: 39
      Explain how a change in the leadership of the country will change the situation? From somewhere, prepared combat-ready units with modern weapons will immediately come from? Will there be new Zhukovs, Rokossovskys, Vatutins? Will the supply and production for the army be immediately established? Hundreds of thousands of officials will all become patriots and begin to plow for the country? Hucksters will begin to share and donate good for the needs of the army? What kind of new leadership is capable of such miracles, can you name it?
      It seems to me that such changes, if possible, are clearly not "relatively painless." And I do not see such forces, nor such famous people. If you know, please let me know.
    10. 0
      11 February 2023 16: 28
      And what do you think should happen after these changes? So, let's say you became president this evening. What are your steps to break out of it all a winner?
      1. +3
        11 February 2023 20: 03
        No one will emerge victorious from all this. Any outcome of the NWO threatens our country with huge losses. Well, let's say we win, that is. we will capture and destroy most of Ukraine. And how many of our soldiers will die then? And who will restore the destroyed? And what monstrous sanctions will we receive? Our country, we and our children will become outcasts for the whole world. Bottom line: a beggarly existence shines on us. And this is when you win, and when you lose, it will be even worse. That's where these multi-passers have driven our country.
      2. +4
        11 February 2023 20: 05
        In what I agree with the author - that the scenario of a real victory no longer exists. Even if we fantasize: in two years (as according to Prigogine) we will occupy the entire left-bank Ukraine, hold referendums, include them in the Russian Federation ... And we will get millions of disloyal newly minted citizens of the Russian Federation who will be very "grateful" to us for their liberation from a relatively acceptable (they people got used to it over the years) of life in favor of a very poor (to put it mildly) life in the Russian Federation against the backdrop of sanctions, loss of hydrocarbon revenues and other delights of the coming years (it is not known how many years). Wangyu: there will be an order of magnitude more terrorist attacks in the country after such a victory than in the days of the Chechen ... NWO. It would be better for the military personnel of the units withdrawn from Ukraine to live on the territory of the units with their families, and leave it less often. Or never at all. Such is the victory.
    11. -7
      11 February 2023 17: 25
      Quote: Tucan
      None of the above scenarios will solve the problem. For a relatively painless way out of this situation, changes in the country's leadership are needed.

      first of all you need changes in your heads. you do not believe in leadership or in yourself. you can't make tough decisions because you're afraid to win. in this case, prepare yourself a rope and soap or a slave collar. during the war there must be unity and the desire to win. and you have discord and squabbles.
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  4. +3
    11 February 2023 05: 06
    Quote: Tucan
    For a relatively painless way out of this situation, changes in the country's leadership are needed.

    Like in 1917 or something?
    There will be no painless way out of this situation ... too many people are involved in the NWO ... too many losses ... in such cases, vacillations and fluctuations in the leadership only aggravate the situation on the fronts ... Russia has already gone through all this since 1914 year ... when, after the jingoistic patriotism of the first year of the war, much more difficult times came.
    Now the situation is a bit reminiscent of the war of the last century ... I got sick of predicting something further ... I don’t want to irritate the respected members of the forum ... they have become too violent.what
    1. -2
      11 February 2023 06: 53
      Okay Alex! We'll make it!,,,,
      1. +3
        11 February 2023 13: 09
        Quote: ASAD
        We'll make it!,,,,
        Who will give you...
    2. 0
      11 February 2023 07: 02
      Come on, Alexei. We are not violent and we will understand. You correctly noticed one possible "outcome." "War to victory", of course, we have not heard this, but we read it in history. But it looks like we will still hear ... The situation may go according to the old scenario .. An inconsequential emperor (GDP), in the role of a traitor empress (the president's entourage, coupled with the "offended residents of London"), the people who believed, but tired of the war (and it is, it is slowly accumulating), all sorts of politicians from the extreme right to the extreme left (and it exists). But there is also hope. This is the work of the special services within the country ... Yes, and I also forgot about the Rasputin factor - we don’t see this now (any metropolitans are not good for this) .. Something like that ..
      1. +3
        11 February 2023 12: 58
        Yes, and I also forgot about the Rasputin factor - we don’t see this now
        Naturally, we don’t observe it. He is abroad. They sent him there so that the people would not annoy. Otherwise, God forbid, they wouldn’t have saved him the second time .. laughing
    3. +17
      11 February 2023 08: 25
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Like in 1917 or something?

      I have a strong impression that our leadership is deliberately leading to just such a scenario. Not the fact that deliberately. Alas, in most cases, long-term irremovability leads to categorical insanity. recourse
      1. +2
        11 February 2023 20: 00
        Quote: Tucan
        Alas, in most cases, long-term irremovability leads to categorical insanity.

        controversial thesis. The Germans “prolonged” Angela Merkel four times for the chancellor and Germany breathed nothing like that, and as soon as the Germans changed their stable “irremovability” to Scholz sausage and head-farting Burbock, that’s how the tryndets began in Germany, and with the prospect of a complete loss of political and economic status leader of Europe.
        1. +3
          11 February 2023 20: 49
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          The Germans "prolonged" Angela Merkel four times for the chancellor

          Merkel headed 4 different coalition governments 4 times with different programs.
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          this is how the tryndets began in Germany, and with the prospect of a complete loss of the status of the political and economic leader of Europe.

          They write about such prospects mainly in Russian, and the current problems are just the result of Merkel's activities. How the problems of the USSR in the late 80s were the result of the activities of the Brezhnev administration. The fact that the grandmother managed to jump off so on time - she was always so lucky.
      2. +8
        11 February 2023 20: 12
        The ability to blame everything on the predecessor is a valuable political resource. Example: Until now, Serdyukov is blamed for all the problems in the Defense Ministry and the Armed Forces, and it doesn’t matter that he occupied the minister’s chair for 5 years, and replaced it with the current one more than 10 years ago. But when the same person has been in the chair for almost a quarter of a century (4 years of castling will be omitted for simplicity), then the claims to the predecessors (the same notorious galoshes) look frivolous. Blame no one. Unless on "deceived" sworn partners, but then what kind of geostrategist are you?
    4. +7
      11 February 2023 10: 56
      Like in 1917 or something?

      As in the 17th will not work. There is no Bolshevik party, there are no leaders of the level of Ilyich and his associates. And most importantly, the West, then exhausted to the limit by WWI, is now quite cheerful and active. An attempt at a revolution, followed by the inevitable chaos of stopudovo, will lead to intervention and the final collapse of Russia. This time - they will definitely not let us get well.

      This is, for example, my personal disagreement with part of the pro-communist forces - you cannot mechanically transfer the then conditions and actions of Lenin to today's realities !! Because they are radically different.
      1. -1
        11 February 2023 16: 33
        In general, the classical communists, if I understand correctly, do not care about the potential destruction of Russia as a country and should not be. A real proletarian has no fatherland, right? They have other tasks, in which the decision to save or not save a particular country - Russia in our case - is optional.
  5. -1
    11 February 2023 05: 14
    in the absence of an idea and a clear goal, when the military does not know what exactly they need to achieve in order to win

    in the quote there is a question of questions ... there will be an answer from the Authority - then it is possible to predict something ... and so - yes, even tomorrow they can announce that the goals have been met, "thank you all, everyone is free" ... but for now the article is like a transfusion from empty to empty looks
    1. +3
      11 February 2023 20: 21
      They can declare anything they want, and our people are likely to steal, but the other side of the conflict must also agree to this, and what is the reason for them? Ukraine is now supported by the entire West, and the scale of injections is such that those of our 3 billion dollars from the loan to Yanukovych, which they squeezed, are now perceived as small things. Yes, most of this money is virtual, and the West gives it to itself, but the "watchers" on the ground also have their own margin. And they should refuse all these nishtyakov just because of high losses ?! Or even more so - because of the desire of our "elites" to stop the game for which they sat down, having only rubbish in their hands (they themselves initially thought otherwise)? Well, well ... When such a suit is coming, it is foolish to let go of the opponent-rival without undressing him to the skin.
  6. +6
    11 February 2023 05: 21
    Yes, no scenario leads to a clear victory, but the third scenario has the greatest risk of a transition to a global world war. Russia, even if it occupies the entire territory of Ukraine, will have to solve the issue of keeping it under the most severe sanctions, and then the risks of a collision with NATO simply increase. The economic component of the war will come into force, where Russia looks weaker. Who will support us? BRICS? Don't tell me, there are entirely fellow travelers, not allies with their own selfish interests.
    1. -2
      11 February 2023 10: 46
      The economic component of the war will come into force, where Russia looks weaker. Who will support us

      Well - for example, the Jucheans and Ayatollahs have been living under sanctions for decades, and cooler than ours. Nothing - they somehow get out, they are not going to give up. But Russia, unlike anything, will be richer and more powerful .. I’m not talking about the experience of the great Soviet Union ..
      1. +9
        11 February 2023 15: 47
        I am silent about the experience of the great Soviet Union ..


        Yes, somehow the experience turned out to be not very good, the Soviet Union collapsed without any intervention at all, and here Russia also has an ideology approximately the same as the West, in order to resist, you either need to be better, like a capitalist country, or introduce and build some new ideology another society.
        1. +2
          11 February 2023 16: 35
          The beginning of the construction of another society is a revolution. Not necessarily it will be as bloody as the last one, but it will be bloody for sure. And maybe among all the blood there will also be yours or mine. It's scary, to say the least.
          1. +4
            11 February 2023 20: 26
            And at the end of it all, after blood and thoughts, it may turn out to be a zilch again ... Again it turns out that traitors have penetrated the top, another elite has decomposed, so it was again the wrong socialism, bring a new one. How much is possible?!
          2. 0
            12 February 2023 07: 57
            Quote: Plate
            The beginning of the construction of another society - it's a revolution

            Yes, where did you get it? In 91, I remember there were no revolutions when changing a formation!

            Now all the oligarchs are against their own - not for that they earned billions. However, everyone is sitting quietly under the plinth, and some have dumped ... Quiet and no revolutions!
            1. +2
              12 February 2023 12: 53
              Quote: Stas157
              Yes, where did you get it? In 91, I remember there were no revolutions when changing a formation!

              Why not a revolution? Very much a revolution. Is there a drastic and large-scale change? Eat. Yes, and there were and are bloody consequences too.
              Quote: Stas157
              Now all the oligarchs are against their own - not for that they earned billions. However, everyone is sitting quietly under the plinth, and some have dumped ... Quiet and no revolutions!

              If all the oligarchs were against the CVO, it would not even start, I suspect. All with their, our dear, consent. And I personally think that everything is happening even on their initiative. Russia is the periphery of world capitalism. But at the same time, she has advanced weapons in single quantities and just good ones in mass quantities. And this creates a temptation to try to correct the injustice mentioned above and break out of the periphery. I believe that in the event of a confident victory in the NMD, after which Russia will be able to pose a security threat directly to advanced Western countries, the European market will open perky as it has never opened before, and even the MS-21 will receive international certification. And we will find with surprise on our faces that, it turns out, Russian products can compete. This is where the Russian oligarchs will benefit by covering all the costs that they are now incurring with a vengeance.
      2. +5
        11 February 2023 17: 36
        Quote: paul3390
        Nothing - they somehow get out, they are not going to give up

        You read about the protests in Iran somehow. Or in Belarus. When our people realize that they are just brainwashed, then there will be some progress.
  7. +1
    11 February 2023 05: 30
    To make a prediction, you must first understand the deep essence of what is happening.

    The bottom line is: The development of new territories of the New World .. The middle of the 18th century.

    External side of events:
    1. The white people fell in love with the leader of WE ... from the Krivoy Rog tribe and give guns to the "good Indians" to kill the "bad Indians".
    2. The tribe of the "Brown Bear" did not expect a dirty trick and was indignant.
    For initially, white people released both of them to themselves. And even clapped on the shoulder and smiled.

    Backstage side of events:
    The leaders of the tribes and their offspring have long been promised places in the white world in exchange for clearing the territories ....
    1. -12
      11 February 2023 05: 43
      Quote: ivan2022
      Backstage side of events:
      The leaders of the tribes and their offspring have long been promised places in the white world in exchange for clearing the territories ....

      The script is not bad, of course ... but it does not take into account the numerous and regular errors ... suddenly the leader of the Bear tribe becomes very angry and tries out his biggest tomahawk on white people. what
      1. +2
        11 February 2023 05: 58
        Of course, there were all sorts of collisions, but the Indians were doomed precisely because they were Indians. If they had unity, they could throw out the whites and lie on the skins of hunting trophies for a long, long time, look at the scalps of the whites and smoke pipes.
        1. +4
          11 February 2023 06: 09
          Quote: ivan2022
          If they have unity

          They did not have a strategic goal, an ideology that united them into a single whole ... bison hunting and a smoking pipe at the wigwam ... you can’t build the future on this.
          The goals of the leader of the Bears are vague, fickle and unpredictable ... request
          The devil knows what will happen next in this situation.
          The goals of white people, on the contrary, are clear and understandable ... to destroy the Indians by any means, and leave those who remain to clean their shoes to white people.
      2. +8
        11 February 2023 07: 39
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        suddenly the leader of the Bear tribe becomes very angry and tries his biggest tomahawk on white people.


        It's hard to imagine. The turkey continues to peck at the grains.

        Scenario No. 1 from the author is somehow unconvincingly thrown into the trash. "Japanese planes" is not an argument. And if the "rusty machine" of management is not able to mobilize the economy, then how can one even talk about victory in this "SBO"?...
    2. -5
      11 February 2023 13: 35
      Quote: ivan2022
      To make a prediction, you must first understand the deep essence of what is happening.
      Experts in the West, and Lyusya Arestovich in Ukraine (on YouTube: Gerasimov's plan: how Putin wants to get out of the war with Ukraine. South Korean scenario. Arestovich, Kusa), are discussing with might and main the scenario of Ukraine losing part of the territories. Only here a group of armchair analysts continues to insist on the scenario "everything is lost if Putin is not removed." In principle, there are no contradictions here, if you read under your "everything is lost" Ukraine's loss of part of the territories and, probably, access to the Black Sea. You are out of luck with Putin, I understand; this is the "deep essence of what is happening."
      1. +2
        11 February 2023 20: 31
        Well, okay - we chopped off part of the territory from Ukraine. Are you happy? A considerable population is attached to the territory, in whose loyalty and gratitude for the liberation I strongly doubt. And industrial enterprises, infrastructure, housing stock in this territory will exist exclusively in the form of piles of rubble and broken bricks. Well, nothing - we will tighten our belts and restore ... in a few years.
        And this population will be able to move freely throughout the territory of the Russian Federation. Could you express your assumptions about the level of terrorist threat in the country after such a victory?
        1. -1
          13 February 2023 12: 44
          there will no longer be a population, most will die or run away
    3. -1
      11 February 2023 16: 42
      Quote: ivan2022
      The leaders of the tribes and their offspring have long been promised places in the white world in exchange for clearing the territories ....

      And why do your "whites" need it? What is the benefit to them from clearing the territories in itself? Let me remind you that there is also a demographic crisis in Western Europe, so "drang nakh osten" is not relevant at all. Resources? So we were ready to sell them anyway. Not for nothing, of course, but it's still better than butting heads with a nuclear-armed "brown bear tribe". Yes, even if they suddenly needed gratuitous resources, there is a whole Africa where it is clearly easier to kick someone to death than here.
      So I don't see the point in clearing the area at all. I offer a different point of view. In Ukraine, there is already massive destruction. All this needs to be restored. On the restoration of Europe, the United States after WWII profited well. Here it is quite possible to repeat it in miniature. I think the Kremlin set the task of intercepting this business. But the longer you fight for this venture, the more it will eventually bring, so both sides (Russia and the West) are not in too much of a hurry to win.
      1. +6
        11 February 2023 17: 39
        Quote: Plate
        On the restoration of Europe, the United States after WWII profited well. Here it is quite possible to repeat it in miniature. I think the Kremlin set the task of intercepting this business

        The Kremlin does not have the kind of money that the United States had after the war
        1. 0
          11 February 2023 17: 48
          So Ukraine is not the whole of Europe - such large one-time investments will not be required to receive subsequent profits.
    4. -1
      11 February 2023 19: 28
      Quote: ivan2022
      To make a prediction, you must first understand the deep essence of what is happening... The leaders of the tribes and their offspring have long been promised places in the white world in exchange for clearing the territories....
      Have you tried a little deeper? What for the leader's long-promised place, if he is not sour in his place? Unless, of course, he is a leader, and not a drug addict on a drip after panic reactions. Yes, and they promise well-known characters who are pulled by the strings and put on their hands. Something your leaders are very stupid and gullible (hint: cling here, but don’t pay attention to the rest) ... Are you sure at the ultimate depth of the essence? Or while you're exercising.
  8. +3
    11 February 2023 05: 35
    I am not a military specialist. But it seems to me that we are missing one important thing. In the struggle for Ukraine, there should be formations precisely from Ukrainians. When our troops entered Poland, the Poles from the Polish Army helped to a large extent. apartments. There are many cases in history when poorly organized resistance prevailed over entirely officers. Now there are many interpretations that Ukraine can be given nuclear weapons from the West .. Either Poland or someone else. All these weapons are under the supervision of the Americans .Avto correctly writes that there is no understanding of peacetime after the operation. Are there hawks in Russia? More than we would like.
    1. +25
      11 February 2023 13: 12
      Russia has nothing to offer the Ukrainians. Russia already uses purely Ukrainian troops for the war in Ukraine - these are the LDNR corps. This does nothing, because Russia has not made a showcase of the Russian world out of the LDNR. Moreover, she made the trash heap of the Russian world out of the LDNR. And Ukraine, by the way, took care of its Donbass cities all the time of this turmoil. Money was invested there. Mariupol flourished, and Donetsk was fading away. Therefore, in Mariupol, a lot of young people go to terbaty. All sorts of Azov there are filled with Ukrainian youth. Now Russian troops are one by one wiping out the cities of the "defended" Donbass. It is a fact. With this proposal, do you want to go to the Ukrainians? Excuse me, but each person has his own shirt closer to the body. People defend their way of life there in Ukraine. Russia cannot offer something better than it was. The people of Ukraine want to stay in the conditions of comfort technologies provided by the global Western world, in the conditions of the opportunity to move around this world for the purpose of personal enrichment. Russia is a country under sanctions, without advanced world technologies, in a situation where the leadership that brought it to such a state is completely at a loss, and the oligarchs who brought these leaders to power are betraying their people. Under these conditions, Russia has nothing to offer Ukraine. Ukraine has made its choice: the Maidan and a march to the West, to Western civilization, with its personal comfort and the American dream in the first place. Again, the American dream is about money, about personal well-being. Russia could not make even a territory inhabited by only 2.5 million people prosperous. This is the fifth part of Moscow. With what are you going to go to the Ukrainians? With what ideology? Well, yes, even now someone is ready to go over to fight on the side of Russia. But it's not massive. The idea of ​​brotherhood does not rule, because now capitalism. When even your oligarch is not your brother, what kind of brotherhood between the peoples of neighboring states can we talk about. The world has long been composed of individual consumers who cannot get along in the real world on the same staircase, if they at least know each other. All these fraternizations are only in the wonderful worlds of entertainment on the Internet and on TV. To begin with, the Russian oligarch must become a brother to the Russian, and then it will be possible to go and offer the ideas of brotherhood to neighboring peoples and states. In the meantime, as in the Middle Ages, your prince is a bigger brother to a count from a neighboring country than to his own serf - there will be no business. While the princes are exchanging Azovites for Medvedchuks, and special representatives of President Abramovich are giving iPhones to foreign mercenaries who have killed soldiers from his own people, and all this against the wishes of the people - who are you going to impress with the idea of ​​brotherhood and common history?

      Victory or defeat in this war will depend on who runs out of resources first. It's uncertain. The Russian government, which has dragged out the conflict in Donbas for eight years, will continue the war in the same paradigm. She doesn't know how otherwise. Perhaps after the next presidential election, when Putin is replaced by someone else, even from the current authorities, he will form a new vertical of control and then something will change. Well, if Russia does not lose earlier due to the end of Soviet stocks.
      1. -3
        11 February 2023 16: 56
        I gave you a plus for clarifying my positions, but I still argue.
        Quote: Hagakure
        This does nothing, because Russia has not made a showcase of the Russian world out of the LDNR. Moreover, she made the trash heap of the Russian world out of the LDNR.

        With all due respect to the inhabitants of the regions and admiration for their courage and courage, I will object. Once Russia has already made windows out of the outskirts. And what is the result? Where is the Russia that did this? It looks like she fell apart.
        Quote: Hagakure
        Now Russian troops are one by one wiping out the cities of the "defended" Donbass. It is a fact. With this proposal, do you want to go to the Ukrainians?

        Yes, with this one. The offer is very simple: "Do you want to live? Do you want your house to remain intact? So that the road from your house to the grocery store is a road, not an explosion pit? Yes? Then give up!" Americans around the world have such proposals.
        Quote: Hagakure
        To begin with, the Russian oligarch must become a brother to the Russian, and then it will be possible to go and offer the ideas of brotherhood to neighboring peoples and states.

        We are building our state on the model of the United States, right? Well, I often refer to them. They obviously do not have local oligarchs there as brothers to the local population. The US is still the hegemon. Perhaps this is not a prerequisite for the power of the nation? But the idea of ​​brotherhood is really superfluous today and nobody needs it. There is an idea of ​​making money together. This is where the emphasis should be. On the economic benefits from the inclusion of the Russian economic space, which will be immediately and which the West would have to wait for God knows how long.
        Quote: Hagakure
        Well, if Russia does not lose earlier due to the end of Soviet stocks.

        I believe that Russia is not fighting on Soviet stocks alone. The missiles are certainly not Soviet, and this is already a lot.
        Russia will not lose because of the depletion of reserves, because it can, attention, buy these reserves. Because there were no fanatics in the leadership, who are present, including on this site, who believe that if all ties with the West are cut off, then he will immediately perceive such "evidence of coolness" and retreat. I don't know if he would really take them or not. But it is clear that if Russia lacks something in the fight against the West, then it ... will simply buy it in the West! Or somewhere else. Therefore, I personally am not afraid of losing from the end of stocks. I fear the intensity of the conflict will escalate to the point where the speed of restocking through purchases may become insufficient.
      2. +3
        12 February 2023 00: 16
        CBO turned everything you wrote upside down, turned it upside down:

        Ukraine has turned into a cemetery, into a scorched desert without an economy, without industry, without energy, without any prospects.

        The EU has been swallowed up by migration chaos and an economic crisis that is just beginning, the attraction is fading fast.

        Russia, on the contrary, demonstrates confidence in itself and in the economy and began its recovery.
      3. +4
        12 February 2023 05: 30
        You are right in almost everything, except for one thing - there is now an anti-human, totalitarian regime in Ukraine, and few people there think about the American dream. People are simply afraid to write a critical post on the network or go out into the street, as you will instantly find yourself under the conditional Bakhmut. And this country is no longer capable of becoming a Western-style democracy, because too much blood has been shed, too much grief and too many questions that will have to be answered.
    2. -5
      11 February 2023 14: 13
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      There are many cases in history when poorly organized resistance prevailed over entirely officers. Now there are many interpretations that Ukraine can be given nuclear weapons from the West .. Either Poland or someone else. All these weapons are under the supervision of the Americans. Auto correctly writes that there is no understanding of peacetime after the operation. Are there hawks in Russia? More than we would like.
      What pigeons would love to do is peck at croissant crumbs on the Champs Elysees. They will no longer be here, it is cold for them here and everything is very sad in this sense. So fly doves, fly...
    3. +1
      12 February 2023 08: 00
      Now there are many interpretations that Ukraine can be given nuclear weapons from the West .. Either Poland or someone else.

      Wow! It turns out that the Poles have nuclear weapons!
  9. -3
    11 February 2023 05: 52
    Military-industrial complex factories work in three shifts, and is this not the mobilization of industry? Or maybe just finally mobilize the authorities and solve a simple question - are we at war or are we trying to achieve some goals through our nobility and some kind of behind-the-scenes agreements? If we are at war, then it is necessary to use all possible forces and means (not to ascribe calls for the use of nuclear weapons) without regard to the reaction of the West and references to the "fraternal people". Well, if we are just carrying out an operation, even if it is a special one, then it was not worthwhile to initially set goals that could not be achieved with its help while limiting the forces and means and methods of warfare.
    1. +8
      11 February 2023 09: 24
      No - this is an increase in output at military-industrial complex enterprises. The mobilization of industry is when, instead of frying pans, helmets and other military equipment are made that can be produced on lines. The conditional Miratorg, instead of deliveries to supermarkets, begins to turn stew and rations for the military. The assembler of washing machines is re-profiled for the maintenance and repair of military equipment. Sewing workshops sew for the army. Well, etc.

      Usually a serious mobilization of industry = the introduction of a planned economy (even in the USA something similar had to be introduced in 42), so that the civilian output +/- equaled the minimum critical needs of citizens.
    2. +13
      11 February 2023 16: 03
      Well, stop baiting this bike about "three shifts" already. Well, did you work in production? I worked, and I perfectly understand that it is impossible to turn an enterprise operating in one production shift in three months or even half a year into an enterprise operating fully in three shifts, especially since there are actually five such shifts. One needs to be turned into five. One morning repair, one at the weekend, and three changing each other during the day. Where do you get four times as many turners at once, for example? Where do you get twice as many electricians and mechanics, and even replaceable ones. The repairman in the shift is a commando against the background of ordinary infantry. Yes, you can create the illusion of three shifts. You can divide one shift into three, and make people work seven days a week. Yes, twice a week in half a year you can turn this around and report upstairs about the "three shifts". At the same time, these "three shifts" will not seriously increase the number of products, but the quality will drop. I was involved in the reopening of only one workshop, which was in relative safety: the cables were stolen a little - it took four months to restore, given that the workshop did not work for only two years. If the workshop was on conservation, it will be partially plundered by the guards themselves. All equipment will be overgrown with dust and rust in places. It will be necessary to change all the oils, tighten all the bolts. You will need to look for old specialists, train new ones, and then only half a year after the launch you can hope for quality products. And new factories cannot give themselves harmony for up to two years, and they drive marriage every other time. Let's say you even have working shops in which one full-fledged shift works. You have a certain number of turners of the sixth category who can do some work. To make a three-shift schedule, they will need to be divided by four. And if you hire a turner of the sixth category from the outside, then you will still need to put him at least for a couple of months with another turner. And the repairman is an electrician, a locksmith, a Kipovian for at least half a year. And even for a couple of years. Moreover, the system for transferring labor skills within the team is completely absent in our country. A good mentor is a vanishing rarity. Therefore, this “three shifts” is one of two things: either nonsense, or they already worked this way before. "You can't carve seven big hats out of a sheep."
      1. -2
        11 February 2023 17: 44
        Quote: Hagakure
        an enterprise operating in one production shift cannot be turned into an enterprise operating fully in three shifts in three months or even half a year

        You can. 12 shifts for 2 hours, + work on Saturdays. At some enterprises, pensioners are called back
        1. +4
          11 February 2023 20: 45
          Only now the machine park is all imported, and now it is left without native consumables, spare parts, and manufacturer support. So when working in 3 shifts, all this economy will get up three times faster. So such mobilization can take place at sprint distances, and by no means stayer ones.
      2. +3
        12 February 2023 12: 26
        Thanks for your post, it's always a pleasure to read a man from production. Strelkov, as a military specialist, does not take into account that even if he wants to "mobilize" people, it will not work. We had two processes going on in parallel: eating up the demographic resource from the USSR when people, in general, gave birth well and it was always possible to find someone, eating up the engineering resource inherited from the USSR. Yes, and people around live "hard", stupid work without any prospects, often with violation of working conditions at enterprises, knocked down the working class and bred all sorts of parasite managers. Once I was a simple worker, while studying at the institute I worked part-time, I remember all this hopelessness and I remember how happy I was when I found a job in the office for the same money, that at least you were not physically tired and walked around in clean clothes after work. I talked with young people, students and graduates of technical universities, for the most part they are not even particularly interested in salaries in Russian companies, they just want to get out of here, instead of studying technology, they study English. The workers are already muzzled and try to mobilize them, they are not physically stretched. Vaughn Rogozin, even paying "penny" to his workers and engineers, could not do anything sensible. I remember how we used to say that "sooner or later everything will work out" you just need to survive this Rogozin time, so it got better ... All these managers and bosses literally took the resource of money and health from employees, spending all the money on their "homies "and mistresses, and placing retired military pennyuks in all managerial positions, in general, it was sickening, but they believed that sooner or later they would be kicked out, and now everything is getting even worse. So it will be physically difficult to mobilize people, people have become few, the country has aged dramatically, what is our average age already? 42 or 43 years old?
    3. +3
      11 February 2023 20: 42
      If we are at war, then it is necessary to use all possible forces and means (not to ascribe calls for the use of nuclear weapons) without regard to the reaction of the West and references to the "fraternal people".

      And what do we not use, except for nuclear weapons in this non-war? Have you seen a photo of the liberated Mariupol? If this is how they "fell" with an eye on the "fraternal people", then I can't even think of what else they would "treat" the non-fraternal people. In addition to nuclear weapons, nothing is invented, so even many demand to use it "fraternally".
  10. +3
    11 February 2023 05: 56
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Are we at war or are we trying to achieve some goals through our nobility and some kind of behind-the-scenes agreements?

    Rather, the second ... because they do not touch the skin of Zelensky and his entourage ... not a single blow was dealt to the decision-making centers in the person of these clowns ... therefore, some kind of agreement with them is supposed. hi
    1. +9
      11 February 2023 06: 59
      Arrangements with people who deceive, and then talk about it with a smile. You have to be fantastic ......... a dreamer to negotiate with them again and promise not to touch them.
  11. -30
    11 February 2023 05: 58
    The fighting in Ukraine has long since finally passed into the stage of positional warfare.

    Starting from this premise in the article, we observe the classic whining of the all-weaver. If the analogy with the First World War is so dear to the author, then this is the position of a "defeatist". He fundamentally believes that Russia cannot win by military means. And he does not care about the successes of the Wagners - he will declare them private and not playing a special role. And he does not see an offensive point-blank, because he will say later there will be a regrouping and we will leave even more. And even more so about Russia's superiority in the industrial production of weapons and equipment, he will say what should be compared with NATO supplies and will slyly compare GDP figures. In general, if a person wants to whine and broadcast defeat, then the flag is in his hands. Union Jack or Stars and Stripes let him choose. He comes up with scenarios in none of which there is a military victory for Russia on the battlefield. And Russia will win, despite the whiners and defeatists. Therefore, the article is completely wrecking, negative. Such articles were popular after Kharkov and Kherson. then it was possible to throw in the thesis about a "positional dead end" But after them Soledar and Artemovsk happened. Why sprinkle ashes on your head now? Well, as for the wrecking position, as soon as someone uses the term jingoistic patriotism, the whole stigma is set. This is the enemy of Russia and his place in the penal battalion. Moreover, the author cunningly indicated Luhansk as his place of residence. Apparently to arouse more sympathy and show their involvement and awareness. I want to remind you that during the transitional period in the LPR, local legislation is still in force, which is especially harsh with traitors.
    1. -2
      12 February 2023 08: 06
      And Russia will win, despite the whiners and defeatists. Therefore, the article is completely wrecking, negative.

      Agree. But you are too harsh on the author. He is just one of many who wants to write, although in fact he has nothing to write about. No information, no ideas.
  12. +14
    11 February 2023 06: 01
    I understand the Lugansk author that many of the goals from the concept of "People's Republic", with the return to Russia, will simply have to be forgotten, since this Empire has completely different goals and objectives than the People's Republic. I also understand that if the Empire, with the same fury and with such skill and just as timely as the Luhansk People's Republic, would have risen into battle for its security and for its interests, then today the army of the Empire has long been dined not only in Lviv , Mukachevo, Uzhgorod and Chop ... And even more so, I understand the Lugansk author that the Luhansk People's Republic relied on the greatness of the mind of the Empire and entrusted the republic with itself so that the Empire would lead the Republic along the path of the Minsk agreements. Even then, the People's Republic suspected that this Empire somehow didn’t really need it, since the Empire does not recognize the Republic, but pushes it into Ukraine through the Minsk agreements. And now the People's Republic has also realized that with these Minsk agreements, the West simply threw the Empire, as well as "Non-Empire", but a naive geopolitical schoolgirl.
    So now you have to write essays - clues on the topic - "How the Empire will now finish all this. Through the NWO or through an agreement." And I understand the weight of the horror of the Luhansk author, if he suspects that the Empire itself does not know this ...
  13. +1
    11 February 2023 06: 29
    From which side, do not consider the options, but a stalemate has developed. There will be no draw. The main disadvantage is that almost no one recognizes the annexation of all of Ukraine or part of it. a meeting of European countries on revising borders in Europe, something in the form of a new Helsinki agreement. The trouble with our government is that it does not want to use the Soviet experience. I will give two examples. During the Enzeli operation in 1920, on the territory of Iran , the Gilan Soviet Socialist Republic was created. Regarding the Anzelian operation, Great Britain made claims to the RSFSR, the Soviet People's Commissariat of Foreign Affairs shrugged their shoulders and stated that this was the work of the Azerbaijan Soviet Republic, they say they did not see it. The explanation was sewn with white thread, but formally you can’t get to the bottom. I won’t write about the fate of the Gilyan Soviet Republic, it won’t fit in the commentary. The second example. At the same time, in the Far East, such a situation developed that in order to completely liberate the RSFSR, it had to collide militarily with the United States and Japan. How did they get out of the situation? than, the interventionists were forced to evacuate from the Far East, and the Far East became part of the RSFSR. Only Northern Sakhalin remained behind Japan, the clash was inevitable, but then the forces of nature intervened, the famous Tokyo earthquake of 1923, which caused enormous damage to the Japanese economy in 1925 S. Sakhalin was returned to the USSR.
    1. 0
      11 February 2023 11: 53
      The explanation was sewn with white thread, but formally you can’t get to the bottom.

      Judging by recent events, such formal tricks can be forgotten.
      in 1925, S. Sakhalin was returned to the USSR.

      You have such witty multi-move described. But in fact, everything is somewhat different.
      In 1925, the Beijing Treaty was concluded, the second article of which the USSR recognized the Portsmouth Peace Treaty following the results of the Russo-Japanese War - not the most beneficial treaty for Russia. In fact, the USSR refused to recognize the tsarist treaties. But she acknowledged this one. Let me remind you that according to it, Russia gave Japan the southern part of Sakhalin, which belonged to her.
      Article II
      The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics agrees that the treaty concluded at Portsmouth on 5 September 1905 remains in full force...

      That's why the Japanese returned Northern Sakhalin, because the USSR recognized their rights to Southern Sakhalin. Let me remind you that, in fact, according to the St. Petersburg Treaty of 1875 with Japan, Sakhalin was fully recognized as Russian.
      Under the Beijing Treaty, there were other concessions to the Japanese, in particular, confessions.
      Article VI
      In the interests of developing economic relations between the two countries, and taking into account the needs of Japan in relation to natural resources, the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is ready to grant concessions to Japanese citizens, companies and associations for the exploitation of mineral, timber and other natural resources throughout the territory of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

      And your forced concessions to Japan in exchange for the recognition of the USSR look like some kind of cunning diplomatic victory.
      1. +5
        11 February 2023 13: 15
        Considering the fact that the Japanese did not want to return Northern Sakhalin from the word at all .. And thanks to the earthquake of 1923 ... That the parties found a compromise and the USSR recognized the Portsmouth Treaty. Both sides simply could not conduct hostilities. Without a war, return the captured it's a success. They might not have returned. S. Sakhalin, like Bessarabia, would have remained in occupation. And the case with the Far East, a great multi-way move. Not as primitive as many people think.
    2. +2
      11 February 2023 20: 56
      The trouble with our government is that it does not want to use the Soviet experience.

      That experience is not applicable in our time. Fictitious disintegration, in the absence of a binding ideology, will quickly turn into the most real one. It will be much worse than 1991 - then at least the collapse took place along official borders, and then - Karabakh, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Transnistria, then Crimea ... Actually, NWO are the distant consequences of the collapse of the USSR, and you want to "play around" into the decay of pretend already the Russian Federation itself? It seems that for such proposals even an article is provided for in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
    3. 0
      11 February 2023 23: 50
      The FER did not have diplomatic relations with the United States.
  14. -9
    11 February 2023 06: 31
    Quote: voice of reason
    as soon as someone uses the term cheers-patriotism, the whole stigma is set.

    I have been called a jingoist many times... smile There won't be enough ammo to kill all the opponents.
    You need to be calmer ... in our time, it is very easy to jump from the category of a jingoistic patriot to the category of a traitor ... one careless word on emotions and you are already a traitor ... moreover, you can easily be accused of disguising yourself as a jingoistic patriot and also to expose as a traitor ... how good it is that Comrade Yagoda and Yezhov are not at the head of the FSB ... otherwise half of the members of the forum would have been feeding worms in places not so remote for a long time.
    1. +1
      11 February 2023 20: 49
      Maybe because these leaders act somewhat differently, because they also read about the fate of Yezhov and Yagoda?
  15. -10
    11 February 2023 06: 48
    To begin with, it should be emphasized that, in the author's opinion, there are no completely positive options for completing the military operation in Ukraine.

    You, the author, could not explain, because literally from the first paragraph of the article your attitude is already obvious. An article along the lines of "I don't like the way the NWO is going, and that's why Katz suggests surrendering." I will try to avoid sarcasm as much as possible when I write a comment. But I don’t understand why you are suggesting that I, as a reader, either agree or discuss with an article in which all the calculations are based on theses that are initially incorrect?! I do not agree to discuss.
    The fighting in Ukraine has long since finally passed into the stage of positional warfare.

    An interesting note. Let's think about where we still had positional wars before ... Probably, the author means the First World War and individual episodes of the Second World War (such as the Strange War on the Franco-German front in 1939). But don’t remind me - how many settlements per week did the same France capture from Germany in conditions of an unconditional numerical advantage? Or does the author mean that we are in these circumstances - Germany? And you think we have the same situation? Why did Germany surrender on its own in the First World War? They didn't lose by your logic.
    In this regard, many are wondering - how long can a special military operation in Ukraine continue?

    This is true. The people want blitzkrieg. The people want Tskhinvali in five days. And that the bridges must be destroyed. Because it's beautiful. And then like this, without such a military victory - something is not right ... And so that Zelensky must chew his tie. And then somehow we do not feel like winners. And what is our "political" victory in Tskhinval? Well, except that Georgia no longer wants to aggravate relations with us. And the rest - it was certainly a political defeat. And here comes the author Viktor Biryukov, all handsome in a white coat, stomping his foot and demanding: "I want Kyiv in five days." To tell us later with a noble smile: "Well, you took Kyiv, and what did you achieve?" But we remember that Napoleon once made such a mistake. This is exactly what I would like to avoid - your smile of an intelligent and noble person who knows everything in advance. Therefore, there will be a long (as you put it "positional") NWO, contrary to your "Wishlist".
    Based on the definition of the English historian Liddell Hart

    But I don’t want to take Liddell Garth as a basis. Although he was a smart man, sometimes he flogged such nonsense - since he made all his calculations based on an analysis of the hostilities of the First World War. But it was a war of a completely "new type" (just like we have now), and therefore each side made a lot of mistakes. And then he took and analyzed after the fact. And if someone made fewer mistakes, then the result of the analysis would be different.
    As Carl von Clausewitz wrote

    Why not quote Sun Tzu? And, you know, there is Frontin's Strategies, which is also a good book.
    You are simply using the "authority effect" cognitive distortion. Considering that in your article there are more cognitive distortions than is the norm for this kind of articles, then I dare say that your article is biased and biased.
    Igor Strelkov, Viktor Alksnis

    With such friends and enemies is not necessary.
    Considering that Russia has not yet formed clear parameters for its victory

    What do you mean by "victory"? Military or political? Let's turn to history (what I will write is IMHO, but I can justify it to those who "burn"):
    1856 - Crimean War (military defeat, political victory);
    1905 - Russo-Japanese War (military defeat, political victory);
    1939 - Winter War (military victory, political defeat).
    So what is victory for you? Everything has been formed for a long time, but, apparently, not with you ... I will explain for you: the clear parameter of victory is the same as in the Crimean War - to format European thinking, to force Europe to respect our military strength, to win the war for the Middle East (well or at least share a sphere of influence with China). As you can see, Ukraine is out of the question. "seizure of territories" (as Liddell Hart and Clausewitz believed) is not the goal of the NWO. Since the achievement of the indicated goals is not a matter of five days, the CBO will be long and, as you say, "positional".
    1. -5
      11 February 2023 17: 13
      Quote: NikolayDS
      As you can see, Ukraine is out of the question. "seizure of territories" (as Liddell Hart and Clausewitz believed) is not the goal of the NWO.

      For this immediately plus. NWO operation is geopolitical, not military. And Ukraine is not its goal. Neither Russia, nor Europe, nor the United States needs it. Now she imagines herself to be the navel of the earth, but in fact no one needs her at all. It just so happened that the hot part of the disassembly is conveniently carried out there. It would be convenient in some Finland, I wonder if the Helsinki leadership would consider themselves the navel of the earth, like Zelensky today?
      Modern conflicts generally have a very complex political component. And here the author seems to suggest immediately unsheathing a saber and starting to cut off heads, not really thinking about what will happen next. Yes, and at the same time reproaching others that THEY do not hesitate. They are just thinking about it. That is why they do not demolish everything that comes to hand.
    2. +5
      11 February 2023 21: 01
      1856 - Crimean War (military defeat, political victory);
      1905 - Russo-Japanese War (military defeat, political victory);

      Seriously?! Should we expect another political victory? And what will this time act as South Sakhalin?
  16. -7
    11 February 2023 07: 00
    NWO is not taking place in a vacuum: the scenario of a clash between China and the United States over Taiwan is not taken into account. I will propose the option of shooting down a plane with the speaker of the US Congress when trying to visit Taiwan. But in general, I am inclined to use tactical nuclear weapons on the battlefield. We will be forced to do this by attacking the Crimea, for example. Well, about the number of SBs: about 100 in the first three days further according to the result. The transfer of the United States to Ukraine of its own security forces is unlikely for the following reasons: 1) it must be transferred with delivery vehicles; 2) the transfer will be perceived by the Russian Federation as the use of the Security Council by the United States itself and then it will be white and fluffy; 3) the main thing: the goal of the United States is to inflict an economic defeat on Europe, in the event of limited use of tactical nuclear weapons of the Russian Federation in the theater of operations of Ukraine, the last capital will escape from there and the task will be completed. PS It is necessary to dance from Lvov and Kiev: in the case of the use of nuclear weapons, the political and military leadership of Ukraine should become the first stage, the second the most important logistics hubs: tunnels, bridges, airfields, the third: the places of concentration of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. +2
      11 February 2023 12: 03
      in the case of the use of nuclear weapons, the political and military leadership of Ukraine should become the first stage goals

      controversial thesis. The use of nuclear weapons does not guarantee this. Nuclear weapons cannot be used absolutely suddenly, and even in Kyiv, since the Soviet era, there are shelters in case of even strategic nuclear strikes. Not to mention the fact that this manual for the use of tactical nuclear weapons may not be in Kyiv, but who knows where, right up to Krakow or Warsaw. Yes, and the radius of destruction of TNW is limited.
      And it will turn out from TNW a big zilch with unpredictable consequences.
      1. -9
        11 February 2023 14: 44
        Absolutely suddenly no, but I write 100 and further on the results. Next: The dagger strikes these shelters, tested on APRTB by the Lvovs. Ipso: Daggers on bunkers and tunnels, then you can add Iskanders and CR.
  17. +5
    11 February 2023 07: 12
    Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
    it is necessary to dance from Lvov and Kyiv:

    There are three million civilians... belay you for such ideas in the UN will be crucified on the cross.
    1. -6
      11 February 2023 10: 10
      Don't care about the UN. I am more concerned about the children, the mothers of the children of Donbass, our soldiers
    2. -4
      11 February 2023 11: 09
      At one time, 64 SBs were targeted by the Americans at Chekhovo, near Moscow, not because they were so bloodthirsty, but because there was a reserve command bunker of the USSR General Staff. So, if you are from Kyiv or Lviv, then you are out of luck, run ...
  18. +5
    11 February 2023 07: 31
    1. Don't treat the situation as unique. This is not the first war with US/collective West puppets.
    There were Korea, Vietnam, Angola, and Rwanda.
    The conflict in Rwanda should have been seriously studied back in 2014. We are consistently going through all the phases of this conflict as well.

    2. I, too, really want a speedy end to the bloodshed.
    But the key to peace is not to be found in frontal assaults on populated areas. It is enough to build the simplest mathematical model based on the capture of Mariupol or Soledar.

    3. The key to ending the conflict can only be the elimination of the Western advantage in technology.
    We will still have to make our own mass-produced microcircuits and other electronics, and develop a new industrialization.

    4. No need to get discouraged that frontal attacks slow down. Until the military has learned to bypass cities and cut communications, it is better to sit on the defensive.

    5. We are not at war with the Ukrainians, but with the collective West. Therefore, it is not worth rejoicing at the death of Ukrainian soldiers and civilians. And the question of the use of weapons of mass destruction is also obvious - it contradicts our basic values.

    5. Ukraine has already lost. People there have not yet understood this, but Ukrainian self-identification has been reduced to the role of cannon fodder for the West against Russia.
    The Ukrainian language has become a vehicle for expressing hatred. He lost the function of development, he performs the function of destruction.
    As a result, since 2014, it has gone from a regional language to an endangered language. It is being replaced by Russian, Polish, English.
    If we talk about the wider Slavic environment, then the Slavic world is now experiencing more interest in the Russian language than in Ukrainian. (Which does not prevent small nationalists from looking for variants of the "pan-Slavic jazika" as an alternative to the Russian language).

    According to the result:
    1. We have entered into a strategic resource rivalry with the West.
    2. Protect people.
    3. Technology to develop.
    4. Do not make revolutions.
    5. Do not storm in the forehead.
    1. 0
      12 February 2023 08: 10
      3. The key to ending the conflict can only be the elimination of the Western advantage in technology.

      The thought is ingenious. In the meantime, we have not caught up and surpassed what to do?
      During the war to industrialize?
      During the war, all resources should be directed to science, economic development, education and technological progress?
      During the war, compete with the West in the development of technology?
  19. +12
    11 February 2023 07: 39
    "Our country has gone through serious trials more than once: both the Pechenegs tormented it, and the Polovtsy, - Russia coped with everything. We will defeat this infection too .." (c) "We have not seriously started anything yet" (c) smile From the forthcoming possible speech of the President on February 22..
    1. -17
      11 February 2023 08: 03
      Quote: parusnik
      "We haven't really started anything yet" (c)

      We still have a hundred thousandth reserve not involved, and in Ukraine there is a 10th wave of mobilization.

      We slowly, saving HP and exhausting the enemy, move forward - only a blind person does not see this and only a deaf person or a TsIPSOshnik pursuing his goals does not hear this.

      Only after the enemy is weakened and will not be able to provide serious opposition, can we talk about a general offensive - the ABC of war.

      On the subject: How Russia can complete the NWO
      Complete and unconditional surrender of the Kyiv gang.
      Ukrainian women will do it themselves (there are no more men left) or with our help.

      ps
      President's speech 21 February.
      1. +2
        11 February 2023 23: 41
        Do you have 100% confidence that after the Ukrainians run out, the Poles will not start? I have no. And in general, your theses are some kind of set of slogans. They are trying to discuss serious issues here. Do you belong here?
        1. -2
          12 February 2023 08: 19
          Ukrainians will not run out for a long time. Because many will settle in the same Poland. And, yes, there are Poles, Balts, Romanians, Bulgarians - enough cannon fodder. Therefore, there are two options - to endure and fight for many years with the terrorists, who will be financed and trained by the West, or after the XNUMXst warning, completely destroy Poland with nuclear weapons.
          1. +1
            12 February 2023 20: 20
            And Poland is not a NATO country. And 100% nothing will fly back to us. Are you generally sane?
    2. +5
      11 February 2023 12: 14
      went through serious trials: both the Pechenegs tormented her, and the Polovtsy

      Eeeee ...
      Pechenegs and Polovtsy actually tormented Kyiv. Not sure if this is a good analogy.
      In addition, the Cumans (Kypchaks) spoke the Kypchak language, which became the basis of the languages ​​of many peoples of modern Russia, belonging to the modern Kypchak group of languages ​​​​(Tatar, Siberian-Tatar, Bashkir, Karachay-Balkarian, Crimean Tatar, Kumyk, Karakalpak).
      1. +3
        11 February 2023 13: 19
        Not sure if this is a good analogy.
        This is not my analogy.. laughing
        1. 0
          11 February 2023 23: 59
          Yes, I saw whose. Again the boyars have fooled. Already he them!
  20. +1
    11 February 2023 08: 03
    It is disgusting even to read further after "If we take as a basis the definition of the English historian Liddell Hart, who believes ..."
  21. +6
    11 February 2023 08: 47
    Quote: fa2998
    Vysotsky does not fit here. Muslims and Hindus are fighting there - two different civilizations. Two divided peoples are fighting here.


    And this conflict is a clash of civilizations (according to A. Toynbee). We and the "great Ukrainians" are not really brothers. And our opponents are not only Ukrainians, in fact.
  22. +3
    11 February 2023 08: 59
    Quote: NikolayDS
    Let's turn to history (what I will write is IMHO, but I can justify it to those who "burn"):
    1856 - Crimean War (military defeat, political victory);
    1905 - Russo-Japanese War (military defeat, political victory);
    1939 - Winter War (military victory, political defeat).


    1. Crimean War. From a military point of view - a military draw (the exchange of Sevastopol for Yerevan). From the political point of view - the defeat of Russia. Turkey retained control over the straits, for Russia (its fleet) access to the Mediterranean Sea will be closed.
    2. Russo-Japanese war. Both military and political defeat. Loss of fleet and territories. Lowering the status of the Republic of Ingushetia in relation to the allies in the Entente, increasing financial dependence on the West.
    3. Winter war. Heavy losses, but a military and political victory. Don't care about leaving the League of Nations, which has already turned into a decorative organ and an empty talking shop. On the other hand, the border has been moved away from Leningrad, and it will withstand the future big war, despite the blockade.

    Victory in the SVO can only be achieved by the physical destruction of the combat-ready part of the Ukronazis. Taking / leaving cities - decide little. This is a war - a war of annihilation, the extermination of the enemies of the Russian people.
    Otherwise, a military victory (the capture of Kyiv, a change of regime, etc.) will not be worth a penny.
    No blitzkriegs. The war will last another one and a half to two years, no illusions.
    1. -1
      11 February 2023 09: 39
      Why? Here, after all, the initial events on earth and, as a result, agreements:
      1) From a military point of view - some acquisitions in the Caucasus - fought off in the Baltic and Kamchatka, lost Sevastopol and the invading army is still freely operating in the theater of operations. There, towards the end, they tried to take Nikolaev, but they froze and decided to return in the spring, if anything. Therefore, a peace treaty in that situation is the maximum possible. Most likely, the operation of 56 years would already require much larger concessions. Although the invading army had a certain crisis and would not have taken out the second siege of Sevastopol, it had an operating base, there were no opponents at sea, and it was possible to attack any city.

      2) Complete military defeat = pitchfork in diplomacy. The country began to revolutionize and it became sharply not before the war. Based on this, losing what you have already lost in fact + quite a few concessions is a victory. The Japanese could endure another year. Not easy, but more comfortable than Nicholas, under which the throne staggered. And the big question would be whose Vladivostok and all the islands.

      3) Military victory - yes, but again, at what cost. Is it a political victory? I recall the original application was "The White Finns must leave, they are illegitimate, seized power and terrorize the working people! Comrade Kuusinen is the legitimate leader of the Finnish people and the USSR will conduct business with him."


      Well, the short-lived illegitimate White Finns became a natural military adversary of the USSR - they entered into agreements with Hitler and tried to take revenge in 1941. If there had been no Winter War, most likely the Finns would have taken the position of Sweden. If they put the squeeze on Kuusinen, then the Finns would be an unconditional ally.
    2. -1
      11 February 2023 09: 54
      Quote: Illanatol
      Winter war. Heavy losses, but military and political victory

      Erm. There, under the influence of this speech, among other things, the opinion of one great Austrian friend of the Soviet government began to change about the expediency of this friendship. Similarly, in the current situation, the opinion of the big red friend of the current government is gradually changing.
      Quote: Illanatol
      On the other hand, the border has been moved away from Leningrad, and it will stand in the future big war, despite the blockade.

      The question of the blockade of Leningrad while maintaining the pro-British position of Finland, to put it mildly, is debatable.
      Quote: Illanatol
      Victory in the SVO can only be achieved by the physical destruction of the combat-ready part of the Ukronazis

      Ага.
      Quote: Illanatol
      The war will last another one and a half to two years

      Something quickly you plan to manage.
    3. +1
      11 February 2023 13: 20
      The war will last another one and a half to two years, no illusions.

      Apparently, in the first part you wrote to me, and in the second part you answered the article. Of course, you are right in particulars, but from a global point of view, no. In general, this is a common problem here at VO, everything is measured in territories, in material resources, and the like ... One gets the impression that commentators on VO played too much "Civilization" or some other computer strategy game. And therefore, the NWO seems to be an unsuccessful military operation, "strange" as they (not) carefully write. The amusing conflict is that Russia has often benefited from its "defeats" more than from its victories. If you look not in the short term, but at least on a scale of 50 years, then ...
      1. Russia was resting on its laurels from the War of 1812 and out of touch with reality, so did it stand a chance against the four well-armed European powers? But meanwhile, she performed quite worthily (as another commentator noted), so much so that she discouraged contact with her for almost fifty years. Britain lost all the "color" of the aristocracy, which was later mourned for a long time in the salons (and the government crisis did not arise on its own). The Ottoman Empire did not go bankrupt from scratch, and France was on the verge of financial collapse (including painful memories of this made her quickly hit the road from the Crimea in April 1919). In Russia, with finances, too, everything became not thank God, but they got out. But they were puzzled by the railways and military reforms (which have been asking for a long time). And how long did they (the "NATO" countries of that time) hold out with their sanctions? Before the Franco-Prussian War?! Excuse me, that's the "loss". And they have no "profit" - all the same, after twenty years everything became as we suggested from the very beginning. That's what I was talking about in my comment. Despite the defeat, they began to perceive us as a serious military force and it was possible to negotiate. this is a political victory. The only good thing about war is that after it everyone agrees to negotiate WITHOUT war.
      2. Ha. Well, right, first we give money that Japan built a fleet for war with us, then we lose to this fleet, and then we make peace in such a way that Japan is on the verge of a civil war. The fleet, of course, is a pity - who argues. Lowering the status - yes, also indisputably. but in my opinion, it has more to do with the internal situation. They still had to support us in the negotiations. And where did Japan use its victorious fleet? Against China, only a little bit. Our influence in China and neighboring countries only increased after the war. And Japan was strengthened only where it was able to act by military force. This is a winning country.
      3. God bless her, with the League of Nations. I was talking about something else. After the Winter War, our military potential began to be assessed by foreign experts as extremely low. Which hurt us very badly in the diplomatic sphere when trying to negotiate. And, by the way, Hitler, too, having assessed the course of the Winter War, came to the conclusion that the Red Army was incapable of providing worthy resistance. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Stalin's legendary phrase about "how many divisions the Pope has" during this period could also be applied to Stalin himself, if the word "combat-ready" was added. And only the failure in the first months with the Barbarossa plan changed this attitude. But it still influenced the delay in the situation with Lend-Lease.
      Victory in the SVO can only be achieved by the physical destruction of the combat-ready part of the Ukronazis.

      And who are these "Ukronazis"? I will reveal to you one small, not that "state", but secret. Some of our officers "on the instructions of the party and the government" watch Ukrainian propaganda 24 hours a day, that's how they step in for a shift - they watch, they watch. And they told me... (I don't know myself, of course) they also feel like "Ukronazis" for a short time after that, they think "probably we are doing something wrong"... but then they drink a glass of Russian vodka and it passes. If there were not so many mercenaries there, these "Ukronazis" would not have lasted long. It’s good to jump on the Maidan, but somehow not really in battle, and no one will appreciate it.
      1. +1
        11 February 2023 18: 08
        Quote: NikolayDS
        The amusing conflict is that Russia has often benefited from its "defeats" more than from its victories.

        I haven't read the next part of the comment yet, but I'll answer it in advance. And what is strange, if we talk in the perspective of your 50 years? Defeat forces the leadership to quickly solve the accumulated problems, analyze the situation, turn on the brain and hands in order to win back next time. And this can be applied to any country, not just Russia, if it is in the mood for revenge. Victory, on the contrary, stimulates resting on one's laurels and discourages. And the defeated opponent naturally comes for revenge, for which he was preparing.
        Well, then you write about it. In 1812 they won and relaxed. Even the reforms began to be canceled, carried out even before the war. Why do we need reforms? Look, just now the most reformist reformer was defeated even without these reforms of yours. But at the same time, the defeat in the Crimean War forced the next emperor to start moving actively.
        Quote: NikolayDS
        but then they drink a glass of Russian vodka and it goes away.

        I understand everything except that. And why drink vodka for this?
      2. 0
        11 February 2023 23: 16
        Quote: NikolayDS
        Britain has lost all the "color" of the aristocracy

        Well, you turned it down a lot. 22000 British dead is a drop in the ocean
    4. +1
      11 February 2023 17: 52
      Quote: Illanatol
      named war. Heavy losses, but a military and political victory.

      And peaceful Finland for 80 years after the Second World War. The Finns simply realized that it was more profitable to be friends
      1. 0
        11 February 2023 20: 55
        Quote: Pilat2009
        The Finns just realized that it's more profitable to be friends

        Or did the USSR understand that it was more expensive for itself?
        1. +1
          11 February 2023 23: 34
          Quote: Negro
          Or did the USSR understand that it was more expensive for itself?

          After the victory, all of Eastern Europe became a satellite of the USSR. And the government of Finland is no exception. All the same, the army of the USSR was not like the current one.
          1. 0
            11 February 2023 23: 56
            Quote: Pilat2009
            After the victory, all of Eastern Europe became a satellite of the USSR. And the government of Finland is no exception

            As far as I remember, Churchill in Tehran did not agree on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in its original form, and Finland had to be deleted (but then all the Balkans were added). As for the "satellites", there is no valiant Red Army = no control. Bandit Tito explained this very quickly.
      2. 0
        11 February 2023 21: 20
        After the Winter War? Not at all. After the Second World War, after the Red Banner over the Reichstag - yes.
  23. +2
    11 February 2023 09: 10
    There is another scenario: to destroy not only the Armed Forces, but also the entire leadership of Ukraine, open a hunt for them as terrorists, so that they hide in holes like rats, and then they will agree to our conditions or their successors (after liquidation) will accept our conditions so as not to to try on the fate of the former leadership.
  24. +2
    11 February 2023 09: 37
    In particular, in a recent interview with Western media, former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said that Russian President Vladimir Putin gave him a guarantee not to kill Ukrainian President V. Zelensky.

    And what does Israel and Naftali Bennett in particular have to do with it? Is Zelensky a relative of him or should Jews not be touched?
    1. +4
      11 February 2023 09: 46
      Quote: Million
      Is Zelensky a relative of his, or can Jews not be touched?

      Jews cannot be touched.
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  26. +5
    11 February 2023 09: 54
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Military-industrial complex factories work in three shifts, and is this not the mobilization of industry?

    No. Work in three shifts, just says that the factories can not cope with the production of products in the normal mode, because these factories are simply not enough.
    1. +1
      11 February 2023 21: 26
      Yes, and all available equipment is imported. Soon it will simply start to get up without proper maintenance, but most likely it has already begun. But to build new ones ... It’s possible to build walls, but where will you get the equipment? "Brotherly" China also takes into account sanctions, and not all items (especially with regards to electronics) can be purchased there.
    2. -1
      12 February 2023 10: 58
      In normal mode, when there was no war, the factories coped with the output.
      Now the war - and therefore work in three shifts.
      There are no such idiots as to build three factories instead of one, so that two out of three factories are idle at the usual time.

      Soon it will start to get up corny without proper maintenance

      Do not wait.
  27. +2
    11 February 2023 10: 07
    My opinion is that everything will end with a deal. There is no political will now that can finish what the Victory started.
    There is only business, real estate and other goodies over the hill. And simple Vanya will endure ...
    1. +4
      11 February 2023 11: 47
      who will be able to finish what he started with Victory.

      You were deceived from the very beginning, and you continue to demand that you be deceived further

      The deceit consisted in the fact that what had been started led to nothing and had no meaning.
  28. +12
    11 February 2023 10: 46
    “Always have a goal. Battles, the purpose of which remains incomprehensible, are the favorite method of the ignorant.
    According to Suvorov, this principle means not only and not so much a detailed briefing before the battle, but bringing to the attention of the personnel the goals of the regiment, division, army, corps, and even the entire campaign. Suvorov objected: they say, a captured soldier can give out military secrets to the enemy. Suvorov replied that the harm from the fact that the soldiers do not understand the meaning of their actions is much greater than the harm from transmitting information to the enemy.

    Science to win. Suvorov A.V.

    It is obvious that the war is waged by the method - go there, I don’t know where, grab something I don’t know what, it wasn’t born on February 24th.

    Damn, are they completely stupid upstairs and haven’t read any books at all?
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  30. +9
    11 February 2023 11: 02
    In general, another 110-500th explanation and forecast.

    Option 1) - Russia finally becomes an aggressor country that attacked without declaring war
    (there are analogies and precedents)

    Option 2 - Becomes a rogue state even for partners

    XNUMXrd - continues to be self-trapped.
    All Putin's PR promises turn out to be reversed (the media continues to claim that this is how it should be). there is more and more blood and hatred, the devastation in the territories is getting stronger.

    It is enough to compare the photo of Grozny in the 0s - everything was destroyed, Donetsk up to 22th day - rare single
    partial destruction, and new territories after 22 years - destruction where strong ‚ where everything is swept away.

    HSP in action - NATO is getting stronger, rivers of money are being pumped into their military-industrial complex and the military, a new race
    arms
    As Putin said (non-verbatim) - someone is in Rai Dubaev, someone is in the trenches .....
  31. +10
    11 February 2023 11: 03
    Some kind of strange formulation of the question.

    Judging by the activities of the Russian side in the NMD, one should no longer expect any successful offensives with strategic goals. At the same time, the budgets for 2023 of Ukraine's allies have been drawn up, and they do not provide for the completion of the SVO. So far, the situation looks like the allies have given Ukraine a chance to try to regain military control over some of the lost territories in the summer campaign of 2023 by creating superiority in the quality of the armed forces.

    Following the results of the summer campaign, when approving budgets for 2024, one of two main options will be considered - a ceasefire along the LBS line or the continuation of offensive operations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a further increase in quality (aviation, missiles of 300 km or more, large drones). Less likely options are "Neither peace, nor war" (continuation of a positional impasse), a sharp escalation (ground forces strikes on Minsk, Voronezh, Moscow bombing, etc.) or de-escalation (the West will suddenly become sharply not up to Ukraine as a result of an attack to Taiwan, alien contact, Yellowstone eruption, dollar collapse, etc.). The option of the appearance of the reserve army of the Russian Federation, which will make the Storm the second time in desert in the steppe as it should, I think it's completely fantastic.

    In principle, both the leadership of the Russian Federation and the leadership of the Ramstein coalition will suit any option. The coalitions don't care at all, and Putin, in the most extreme case, with the direct intervention of the Americans, will get the version of Saddam of '91. From 91 to 2003, 12 years old, Putin is 70, so it is unlikely that this scares him that much. Yes, and 2003 was a unique set of circumstances, which is unlikely to happen again.
    1. 0
      12 February 2023 00: 27
      You seem to be a total pro-American bootlicker propagandist. I wonder what your nationality is.
  32. +9
    11 February 2023 11: 07
    hi
    Nice article.

    However, there are two points of disagreement.
    ... some political circles in the US, where all key decisions are made, are giving certain signals that they are ready to negotiate with Russia. This refers, of course, to the Republican Party and one of its leaders, Donald Trump. The American businessman and billionaire Elon Musk, who supports the Republicans, also gives certain signals.
    - there are no signals other than kissing Zelensky's hands in the US Congress.
    And there is no need for illusions even on the topic of Trump, citizen Simonyan was already opening champagne and people were traveling around Moscow with flags when Trump was elected, but then, as always, "something went wrong."
    There is no need to be like professional "deliberate heralds", who are kept for a lot of money only to broadcast that "here is the signal and there is the signal", and when the time comes to "responsible for the signal" - they already have other signals .

    The first scenario provides for a change in the legal status of a special military operation (which is currently not defined at all), the introduction of martial law, another wave of mobilization, mobilization of the rear, that is, the economy, with the aim of a new large-scale offensive against Ukraine in order to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine and take it under control, either completely or almost completely.
    this bright idea, "script one" doesn't answer the question "how many people need to be recruited into the army in order to at least control a country with a population of 44 million, the size of France and with the experience of an underground war, when the last "man from the cache" was recorded in 1960". I no longer write about the "Afghanistan 2.0" option, in which the capabilities of the Russian Federation are a multiple of those of the USSR, and the capabilities of Ukraine are greater than those of Afghanistan - and also a multiple.
    Supporters of the first scenario would do well to remember what Afghanistan has become, and what the USSR has become.
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    2. -5
      11 February 2023 11: 38
      Quote: Wildcat
      this bright idea

      Being a fan of Strelkov-Girkin, I always promote his proposals. The mobilization he so requested turned out to be a great idea from every point of view (the economy, the flight of people and capital, allied support for Ukraine). Now he demands the real mobilization - so that factories, banks and shops are not commanded by traders and liberals, but by the military, as in Venezuela. Great idea! And return Stalin's orders, not a step back.
    3. 0
      11 February 2023 17: 26
      Quote: Wildcat
      this bright idea, the "first scenario" does not answer the question "how many people need to be recruited into the army in order to at least control a country with a population of 44 million, larger than France and with experience in underground warfare

      The author describes various options, and does not claim that the first option is the best or most likely. The description is quite correct.
      As for your statements, the author’s first option is indeed impossible and will not be implemented, but not at all for the reasons you write about. Just what you write about, this is not a problem for the first option.
      1) The population of Ukraine is far from 44 million. Before the start of the NWO, the population of the Kiev-controlled part of the former Ukrainian SSR was about 38 million. Together with the LPR, DPR-42. But this is only officially, in reality no more than 30. Millions of Ukrainians lived in Europe or in the Russian Federation even before the SVO, but at the same time they were considered citizens of Ukraine. The fact is that it is almost impossible to get out of Ukrainian citizenship.
      Now the population of Ukraine is no more than 25 million. And this is the upper estimate.
      2) Strelkov never offered to go to Lvov and generally enter Western Ukraine. His idea is just to liberate Little Novorossiya. That is, the cut-off is the western border of the Zhytomyr and Vinnitsa regions. The population of the liberated territory, taking into account the fact that all those who are against will leave to the west of the cut-off line, will be no more than 13-15 million people. And it will be mostly quite loyal people. There will be no special problems in control (especially with the adequate work of the new authorities and the FSB) will not.
      I emphasize once again that this option, unfortunately, is unrealistic and will not happen, but not because of problems with control.
  33. -3
    11 February 2023 12: 24
    In particular, in a recent interview with Western media, former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said that Russian President Vladimir Putin gave him a guarantee not to kill Ukrainian President V. Zelensky.

    The author composes from himself. Nobody gave any guarantees to anyone. He asked, they answered him, and that's it. Macron, I remember, also asked whether troops would be sent to Ukraine ...
  34. +11
    11 February 2023 12: 30
    Instead of quarantine during an epidemic - "self-isolation", instead of a war with an enemy who wants to destroy us - NVO and "volunteer detachments". Instead of a full mobilization of the economy, Shokhin, who will not give even half a percent. Instead of competent commanders and intelligence officers in the Security Council, people who did not serve in the army.
    Do we have gravity instead of control, and hope for karma and other Kali Yuga? Or maybe a 12-magnitude earthquake on the east coast of the USA in a month?
    I don't understand, what do we expect? To China?
    1. +4
      11 February 2023 21: 35
      So Medvedev said - in Ukraine we are at war with Satan, so the hope for God's intervention in this case is not groundless.
      1. +2
        11 February 2023 22: 10
        "Trust in God, but don't make a mistake yourself" - this, unfortunately, is not about modern Russia.
  35. +13
    11 February 2023 13: 13
    the release of this article coincided, again statements by the Foreign Ministry, about holding negotiations without preconditions, while someone is talking about how to win, at least on acceptable terms, then our leadership wants to quickly jump off the adventure that they and started.
    But the Western masters of Ukraine will not give the go-ahead for this yet. And the state of complete confusion and mistakes that occur on the fronts of the NWO is already beginning to infuriate, and also, the small and victorious one is turning into a long and long war, which we may not be able to pull out, against the collective West.
    And we won’t pull it out, because someone feasted on the dead body of the USSR for 30 years, and pretended to develop the country.
  36. +1
    11 February 2023 14: 15
    Let's be honest - if tomorrow we conditionally "reconcile" - Western sanctions will not go anywhere. Perhaps they will even be developed and strengthened - if it seems to them that they work as an instrument of pressure and coercion. We do not have such an instrument in relation to the West - we will either give in or fall into an even more difficult situation.
    Whatever filkin papers Ukraine signs, one must understand both the frequent change of power in this country (with the abandonment of the previous line), and the already considerable experience of non-compliance with agreements or their unilateral disregard by the current government. That is, "pacification" will not be stable from any side.
    Any pause can (and will) be used by the West and the Armed Forces of Ukraine to militarize Ukraine. They will be pumped up with aviation, air defense-missile defense, tanks.
    Even a cursory glance at all this indicates the unequivocal disadvantage of "pacification". We will not solve the "hemorrhoids", we will not reduce the sanction pressure.

    I recall Churchill's words (about the Munich Agreement) - "England chose between shame and war, chose shame and got war." Our situation is very similar to this - now we have two choices - the choice between real War and Shame, which will only give the illusion of peace on the borders. How long ? Who will prevent us from "feeling" tomorrow in another place, such as the Kuriles, the Caucasus or Central Asia? In the same Transnistria?
    The very time in which we live poses a challenge for us - the world will no longer be safe or stable or abundant for us as we used to before 2014 or even 2022. We can forget a full and comfortable life - we will have to work, compensating for that "sleep of the mind" who was 30+ years old.
    If we are stubborn, methodical and resolute, we can postpone some constructions of the West against us, if we don’t, on the contrary, accelerate and aggravate. This choice - whether we like it or not. Pandora's box is already open.

    So I agree with Strelkov here - if we are at war, then we must fight "seriously" and close this situation seriously.
    1. +8
      11 February 2023 14: 52
      Do you really still think that now is a "fake" war?
      With hundreds of thousands of dead and wounded?

      It is many times more intense than even the war between Iraq and Iran, in which more than a million people died.
      The war in the Persian Gulf - surpassed already by August 22.
      Afghanistan, Chechnya and even Vietnam are just minor misunderstandings in the background of what is happening.

      It's as if a Soviet citizen was sitting in Kazakhstan and arguing in the winter of 1942 that they've been fighting for a long time, it's time to start fighting seriously.

      The Russian Federation is doing everything it can, as everything that the Republic of Ingushetia could do in 1854 and 1905.
      Well, you can still try to dress all the patriots unfit for military service in white clothes, along with their wives and children, and drive in continuous waves to Bakhmut.
      The barrels will overheat, the cartridges will run out, and someone who is unstable can go crazy.
      And then our troops will overthrow them with a decisive throw. And so is Carbon. And also Kramatorsk.

      The Iranians did it. Until the "patriots" ran out.
      1. +3
        11 February 2023 18: 01
        Quote from Gromit
        and even Vietnam are just minor misunderstandings in the background of what is happening.

        About a million combatants and about 2 million people died in Vietnam and it went on for 20 years
        1. +3
          11 February 2023 21: 39
          About a million combatants and about 2 million people died in Vietnam and it went on for 20 years

          We have 19 more years to top it.
        2. +2
          11 February 2023 21: 57
          Yankee losses - 60 thousand killed for the entire company, their South Vietnamese allies lost 250. Northern and Viet Cong 1,1 million. 20 years.
          In a year it is 3 thousand amers, 12,500 juv. Against 55000 communists.

          Now let's compare it to last year.
          How many ukrov are recorded as dead? 150 thousand only according to the loyal estimates of their Western allies.
          How many Russians died? 15 thousand only through the Ministry of Defense, Is anything known about the losses of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Guard? Excluding LDNR, mercenaries, convicts, volunteers ...
          For 1.
          Is there any reason to believe that the conflict is dying down?
      2. +1
        11 February 2023 18: 07
        Russia is doing everything it can

        1) WE and the top of the Ukrainian government are still not just alive - they move freely around the country.
        2) Ukrainian television and its central hardware structures and capacities are still intact and working (and continue to pump the population with propaganda hostile to us)
        3) Large infrastructure facilities such as bridges are still intact (and they continue to be used to transport people, fuel, goods and equipment)
        4) The key facilities for the functioning of the Ukrainian economy, which give it export profits and maintain internal economic stability at a level that is unacceptably high for the enemy, have not been destroyed.

        The list can be continued, but I want to highlight the main thing - having all the means to knock out economic, transport, rear, propaganda and organizational props from under the Armed Forces of Ukraine - we prefer to spend these funds on local grinding of enemy manpower.
        You will argue that we do not have means of remote high-precision destruction? Or that they are not enough? Or maybe we have an insufficient fleet of YES, designed just to overcome air defense-missile defense, including (not comparable to Ukrainian, right?) - after all, this is exactly what we have been rubbed for many years, and all these "bears" and "white swans" smoked the sky under this sauce.
        Maybe you will argue that we already don’t even have planes, to arrange a confident local superiority?
        Or can our space intelligence and GLONASS "nishmogut" give target designation to an object the size of a large railway bridge? Or maybe we don’t have the means to destroy such objects, well, like, didn’t design anything like that? :)

        There is no need to compare the Russian Federation with Iran, at the moment we are not using the lion's share of our material capabilities, and time is stupidly running out and no longer plays on us.
        What is the mobilization of 300 people in a country with 140-145 million people? Comparing the current situation with the Second World War, you don’t catch up with the scale of what is happening and the scale of the tension of our forces then and now - it’s ridiculous to compare the incomparable!
        For a YEAR, not a single projectile and not a single rocket fell on our key production or raw materials enterprises - they had over_dohrena time to set up production, because such enterprises have spare capacities that provide for martial law.
        Where is all this? They didn't bother to arrange it. They did NOT want to organize it.
        1. +3
          11 February 2023 22: 46
          "after all, for many years we have been rubbed exactly this"
          That's exactly what they rubbed.

          Few of those really related to the army or the military-industrial complex had illusions.

          Veterans knew very well why they had to shoot down "combined detachments". Long before the epidemic of the 500s.
          And people working in the military-industrial complex saw how one "unparalleled" Russian one is assembled from two cheap Taiwanese boards.

          1. We do not have the technical ability to track Ze, and the SBU cleared out our residency.
          2. Television is a strategic, distributed and protected object. You don’t think that by dumping Ostankinskaya you can deprive the Russian Federation of nightingale droppings?
          3. The bridge can only be destroyed by a massive bombardment. Adherents of the holy Caliber should read its characteristics, cost and find out the number of bridges by multiplying them by the speed of their repair and adding the air defense concentrated around them.
          The destruction of economic facilities in Ukraine will lead to the undermining of the remaining Russian gas, ammonia and oil pipelines, after which non-working citizens of the Russian Federation will be asked to suck on candy instead of pensions and social payments.

          Do you know how many modern combat aircraft are in the Russian Federation? And how much was lost in a few days in the war of '08 against shabby Georgia?

          The Russian Federation is the strongest power in Europe, it alone will defeat any European country. But it is not even close to NATO in terms of its capabilities. The Union, yes, but the Russian Federation is not the Union.
          1. +1
            13 February 2023 03: 50
            The Aerospace Forces has about one and a half to two hundred modern tactical aircraft for the whole of Russia.
            And most of them are in the Far East.
      3. +7
        11 February 2023 21: 42
        Well, you can still try to dress all the patriots unfit for military service in white clothes, along with their wives and children, and drive in continuous waves to Bakhmut.

        As for wives and children, you are cannibals, but as for the uryakolok themselves, I will support. You need to get used to answering for your words, your civic position. If you are a “can repeater”, then it is not someone else who should repeat, but you yourself. And too many perceive CBO as a television show that you can watch from time to time while sitting on the couch, and then turn off the TV set and go about your business.
    2. -1
      11 February 2023 23: 49
      I recall the words of Churchill (about the Munich Agreement) - "England chose between shame and war, chose shame and got war"
      Here Churchill quotes Kipling
  37. +8
    11 February 2023 15: 31
    The existing socio-political system excludes both the mobilization of society and industry and victory in the war as such. Victory in the war and the cessation of the existence of Ukraine as a subject (and only this can be considered a victory, since it will allow the process of denazification of Ukraine and its full integration into Russia to be launched) does not imply the lifting of sanctions and, moreover, hello to their tightening, and will also extend them not only to economic but also on political elites (children of Peskov and his patron as an example). It is possible to overcome this pressure only by carrying out the nationalization of the elite, by fully optimizing spending (excluding yachts, bonuses, estates, fireworks, bathhouses and prostitutes) and by making a transition to a planned command economy (task, responsible, deadline, result, conclusion). But this is unacceptable for our elites of all directions. And from here the conclusion: A contract is all they need. Hence the pace of the offensive, and untouchable objects and persons, and so on and so forth.
    1. +3
      11 February 2023 22: 21
      And the most paradoxical thing is that they won’t get an agreement, maybe only some individuals who have time to betray and kiss the boot of a white gentleman and a Jewish president - they will be “forgiven”, and they will write memoirs in Europe as they were forced to live in Russia and serve the tsar, and how they were all "disgusted".
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    1. 0
      11 February 2023 18: 04
      Quote: Vyacheslav V.
      And all this because of the LNR and DNR?

      No, Karl, this is not because of the LPR and DPR, but because NATO is approaching the borders of Russia
      And who and what will be on the Polish side?
      a) NATO war machine with a huge number of mercenaries.
      Well, then you can’t do without Nuclear weapons
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    2. +1
      11 February 2023 23: 52
      Quote: Vyacheslav V.
      And who and what will be on the Polish side?
      a) NATO war machine with a huge number of mercenaries.
      b) A whole system of roads and railways, airfields.
      d) All European industrialists with the desire not to hear anything about Russia and the Russian army.

      But here it will no longer be Ukraine. There will already be other rules and other possibilities. All of the above is perfectly offset by what Russia rightfully considers a guarantee of its peaceful life.
      And by the way, the "NATO war machine" is a myth. As one Scandinavian minister stated here (I don’t remember exactly who) - after they threw everything to Ukraine, these proud NATO members didn’t even have pistol cartridges left.
      So the enemy is not NATO, there is only one enemy - the United States. European sixes without the United States are of no combat value. And the States - yes - this is a strong enemy. But it is unlikely that he will trample on Russia with all his foolishness when Russia enters the Polish border.
      And yes ... there is always the very thing that guarantees us a restful sleep! laughing
  39. 0
    11 February 2023 16: 54
    In reality, only the option of the Korean War remained.
    1. 0
      11 February 2023 23: 01
      Unfortunately, the United States will not allow such an option either ... They need our final loss - when, due to the number of deaths and the lack of goals achieved, mass protests and non-enforcement of laws begin, when a "king" appears in each region who will lead the local population to a "free future without Moscow", etc.
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    1. +7
      11 February 2023 21: 53
      Every nation has the rulers it deserves. Our elite was not brought from Mars, many of them themselves from communal apartments and barracks, or their parents. Well, if they, having barely risen, completely forgot about their duty to the people, and with almost no exceptions, this means that they need to deal with the mentality of the people, and not once again write off the betrayal of specific bad guys and the machinations of external enemies (the machinations were, are and will be, but in the world everyone always intrigues against everyone, and only those who are ready to collapse collapse with a bang).
  41. +4
    11 February 2023 17: 49
    In the Empire, Russian was Orthodox. Rus' is the third Rome. The Union also had a meaning - communism. Soviet = builder of communism. All clear.

    Who is Russian today? There is no definition in the Primer. The meaning of modern Russia? There is none... In summary: "aimless people" from a "meaningless country" are not at war with - in fact - themselves.
    1. 0
      13 February 2023 18: 05
      The crazy tribes of the Slavs, of course, are at war with each other. And all this is based on the spelling of words and their pronunciation, which absolutely show the kinship of languages ​​and three of the same group. And Moses destroyed the men of an unreasonable tribe, apparently something similar is happening with this tribe now. But we cats can’t understand this either, since we don’t accept nationalities.
  42. -4
    11 February 2023 17: 54
    The criteria for the defeat of Russia in the war in Ukraine are clearly indicated and extremely clear - if the mother of Russian cities Kiev and the hero city of Odessa and all the primordially Russian lands between them as a result of the NWO will remain abroad, outside the territory of the Russian Federation, under foreign, non-Russian sovereignty if, as a result of the SVO, the Nazi Bandera regime persists in Kiev, this will be the largest geopolitical catastrophe for Russia and a tragedy for many generations of the Russian people for centuries!

    without the liberation from the Nazis of Ukraine and without the return of the ports and coast of Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson to Russia, the security of the Crimea and the base of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation in Sevastopol cannot be ensured! As long as these three Russian cities are not controlled by the Russian Federation, Crimea will forever be subjected to missile attacks and live in constant danger, as Donetsk lives now.

    if the conflict along the current front line is temporarily frozen until the next and next war, then the land corridor to Crimea will be a road of death freely shot through by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporozhye, Kherson regions and Crimea will constantly burn under shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine because of the Dnieper, peaceful life will not be there, any socio-economic development of these subjects of the Russian Federation can be forgotten forever!

    The conclusion is clear:

    The line of our Victory is the Kiev-Odessa highway, which the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are obliged to enter during 2023, and only after achieving this goal, the leadership of the Russian Federation has the right to think about any negotiations with the United States and NATO regarding the remaining bit of Ukraine.

    spatial, territorial limits of the NWO - the liberation from the Nazi Bandera occupation of all primordially Russian lands to the western administrative borders of the Zhytomyr and Vinnitsa regions of the former Ukraine and to the Dniester, to the confluence of this river into the Black Sea!

    We do not need someone else's, but we are obliged to return all the primordially Russian lands of our ancestors back to Russia - every soldier at the front and every citizen of the Russian Federation in the rear must know this.
    1. +3
      11 February 2023 21: 49
      If you can’t live without “kiev ours” in principle, then how did you last the last 30 years?
    2. -2
      12 February 2023 06: 56
      it will be the biggest geopolitical catastrophe for Russia and a tragedy for many generations of the Russian people for centuries

      For millennia. What are you kidding?
  43. +6
    11 February 2023 18: 08
    To begin with, it should be emphasized that, according to the author, there are no completely positive options for completing the military operation in Ukraine.
    It's hard to disagree with this. Such an opinion became more and more strong among all sane people as the SVO was tightened.
    Obviously, Moscow still hopes that the military conflict can be ended by negotiations with the West on terms acceptable to the Russian Federation.
    ...
    The lack of clear goals, strategies and ideas of military and geopolitical confrontation, in which Russia has become involved, still remain a key unresolved problem.
    And it's hard to argue with that...
  44. +9
    11 February 2023 18: 33
    As usual, a number of commentators were marked by hysterical calls for the need to use nuclear weapons. Once again, one can answer that this would be an act of desperation and malice, and only (very) alternatively gifted or obvious provocateurs can offer this ...
    1. 0
      11 February 2023 22: 32
      I agree about despair, I disagree about anger, any means that reduce the total final number of victims can and should be used!
      1. +2
        12 February 2023 07: 03
        any means that reduce the total final number of victims can and should be used

        Has the Lord God guaranteed you that the number of victims after nuclear strikes will decrease? Or did your neighbor confidently declare this after drinking six hundred grams?
        1. -3
          12 February 2023 10: 23
          If someone thinks that it is necessary to use a 200 megaton hydrogen bomb in Ukraine, then yes, there will be insanely many victims. And when using tactical yao, there will be very few victims. There is a lot of noise and panic. And nothing more is required.
    2. -2
      12 February 2023 10: 19
      There should be no despair and anger when we use yao. Its application must be seriously prepared by step-by-step withdrawal from all international treaties by which we have limited ourselves in its application and testing. In fact, this alone should calm the West and show us the seriousness of our intentions. Next should be an ultimatum to the Kyiv junta on unconditional surrender. After that - a test with the distribution of the video of the result. This should convince those who are especially dull of the futility of their efforts to continue the war with us. And only when these actions do not lead to the desired result - inflicting low-power strikes on the transport infrastructure in western Ukraine, which is used to supply Western equipment. After that, the war is over. And the thousands who died in a nuclear attack are no match for the hundreds of thousands who died during the long years of war. The difference is two orders of magnitude fewer victims. And you don’t need to drink any six hundred grams to understand this. This simple and understandable logic of war. If you want the enemy to not even think of resisting, hit with such force that the enemy starts to panic. This has worked flawlessly at all times.
  45. 0
    11 February 2023 19: 14
    The mustachioed-striped Peskov works for Navka's purse. It hasn't been funny in a long time. It's amazing that the guarantor doesn't change this flashy face. Although ... the hand washes his hand.
  46. -5
    11 February 2023 20: 09
    Head of United Russia D.A. Medvedev announced the prospect of production and modernization in Russia of thousands of Russian tanks. Tanks are now the most powerful and mobile combat means of achieving victory in the war. The mobilized fighters of the RF Armed Forces should be put on tanks and sent to: Kyiv, Odessa, Lvov and Kharkov. By taking these cities, in the order in which they are listed, Russia will defeat Bandera in Ukraine. This can be done in just two months. Attack without defense will not give victory. In parallel, it will be necessary to build and strengthen defensive positions on the liberated territory (trenches, caponiers, pillboxes, bunkers, etc.), build roadblocks on all key communications, and create temporary authorities. Now our RF Armed Forces are stuck in Artyomovsk and Vugledar. It is possible to suspend the assault on houses in these cities for the time being, it is enough to surround these cities, leaving the AFU without supplies. It is only necessary to withdraw the civilian population as much as possible from these settlements occupied by Bandera. With the help of drones, it is now possible to accurately shoot enemy military equipment. In less than 10 days, the encircled Banderites in these cities, fired upon by artillery and drones of the RF Armed Forces, will gradually begin to surrender. And during this time, the Russians will already begin the assault on Kyiv.
  47. -5
    11 February 2023 21: 05
    I want to advise Victor to read more about the questions he asks. The one on whom the actions of Russia in the NWO depend, where there will be a stop and further events have already been repeatedly announced
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  49. +3
    11 February 2023 21: 47
    do not forget that two branches of the once united people, the Eastern Slavs, are howling in Ukraine, so the use of weapons of mass destruction is hardly appropriate and permissible

    These "Eastern Slavs" supported the genocide of the Russian population in the Donbass for eight years, they rejoiced violently at the death of the "Colorados", as well as "their females" and "their larvae."
    And we, the Russians, should not care about the opinion of the Russians, when long-deserved kilotons will fly on their heads.
    1. +1
      12 February 2023 09: 41
      Well, on Russian TV there were calls (talk shows with the participation of Sergei Lukyanenko, for example) to burn and drown Ukrainian children, so now all Russian cities have the right to throw vigorous loaves?
  50. -4
    11 February 2023 22: 14
    The task of Russia is to adapt and develop in the conditions of confrontation with the West and the war in Ukraine. If she completes this task, then there will be victory.
  51. -13
    11 February 2023 22: 31
    “FSB Colonel Strelkov saw it and didn’t read further.
    How many times can this rogue and impostor be called by titles that he never had.
    You are missing the real heroes who are now there at the front, and not this coward Girkin, who ran away, betrayed everyone, including his parents, and is now sitting on the couch and doing shit.
    We found ourselves a guru.
    I hope the FSB will finally take care of him and his long, filthy language.
    Put minuses, Jehovah's Witnesses sect... sorry Girkin.
    1. +7
      12 February 2023 00: 02
      Marilyn Monroe went down in history as Marilyn Monroe, not as Norma Jeane. Hitler went down in history as Hitler and not as Schicklgruber. Stalin went down in history as Stalin, and not as Dzhugashvili. Strelkov went down in history as Strelkov, and not as Girkin. This is third. Secondly, he is indeed a former FSB colonel. And finally, first of all. In order to call a person a coward and accuse him of running away from somewhere and betraying someone there, you need to have very strong evidence or, at a minimum, be a direct witness to everything described.
      And Rabinovich's rehash of Caruso is of little interest.
      1. -7
        12 February 2023 12: 54
        Quote: Mr. PeZhe
        Marilyn Monroe went down in history as Marilyn Monroe, not as Norma Jeane. Hitler went down in history as Hitler and not as Schicklgruber. Stalin went down in history as Stalin, and not as Dzhugashvili. Strelkov went down in history as Strelkov, and not as Girkin. This is third. Secondly, he is indeed a former FSB colonel. And finally, first of all. In order to call a person a coward and accuse him of running away from somewhere and betraying someone there, you need to have very strong evidence or, at a minimum, be a direct witness to everything described.
        And Rabinovich's rehash of Caruso is of little interest.

        Thank you for making me laugh a lot by comparing the little pimple Girkin with people famous all over the world.
        I was especially amused by the comparison with Stalin. Girkin and Stalin. Haberdasher and Cardinal.
        Good anecdote, check. laughing
        Secondly, your swindler and coward and talker Girkin is unknown to the whole world. From the word - absolutely!
        Who told you that Girkin is a former FSB colonel?
        Himself? Is there any other evidence besides his lies?
        Dear, the FSB does not keep such talkers. In addition, there is an OFFICIAL statement from the FSB that Girkin never served in the FSB.
        Why do you take Girkin’s word for it?
        Do you take everyone's word for it?
        That is, if Girkin declared that he was the Japanese emperor, would you also believe it?
        Where does such faith come from in this liar and adventurer?
        The maximum that could have happened was that the FSB used him only as a sex worker and nothing more.
        I have already said that FSB officers simply laugh when asked about Girkin.
        What evidence of Girkin’s cowardice do you need?
        He went, took a photo in the dugout, said that humanitarian aid had allegedly been stolen from him, and ran away.
        We need to come up with something like this.
        Where is the video How Girkin brought humanitarian aid? Others bring and film, but this one has nothing but always words.
        He must have accused the residents of Donbass and our soldiers that they are thieves.
        How far Girkin has sunk in his hatred of everything.
        Girkin was offered the position of commander of an assault detachment at the Wagner PMC. Which is very worthy.
        A colonel was assigned for negotiations. Well, meet and discuss the terms.
        And then it began. And they approached him in the wrong way, and the position is too small for such a “genius”, give him a division, or better yet an army. That they should have negotiated with him quietly, and not made an offer in public so that everyone could hear. So he criticizes and is rude to the Wagnerites all over Russia, but responds to him privately?
        What a bug. That they say his profile is not the same and that they say they want to frame him and get him killed.
        But what about other fighters, they are also killed and they do not refuse to fight on this basis. Our generals and colonels die there, but why is this one so valuable?
        Remember, those who want to do something look for a way, and those who don’t want to do it look for a reason. So Girkin shamefully rushed to look for excuses.
        I have already given an example of how a pilot general went to fight as a simple pilot and died, and did not ask for a position.
        Girkin proved his cowardice publicly.
        Oh yes... I forgot, I can kill you there.
        In general, he began to play shamefully and was rude to Prigozhin.
        Well, I received it from Prigozhin in the same way because of the same place. And IN AN REPLY. Girkin started to be rude. That is, he acted as a provocateur.
        Next, why did Girkin’s fans decide that he is a seer and utters some exclusive forecasts and facts?
        Well, compare literate people with what experts who have information say. Colonels and generals are REAL, not fake ones like Girkin.
        Generals Gurulev, who commanded the army and his officers are now there at the front.
        General Buzhinsky, Colonel Sivkov and others.
        Your Girkin simply takes what they say, compiles it and passes it off as his own.
        He is a common plagiarist. Well, smart people, take it and compare.
        Girkin has not had any sources of information from the front for a long time. 9 years have passed, there are no fans of Girkin in Donbass or the army.
        Girkin cannot be an expert. In Slavyansk, the fighting took place on an area of ​​15-20 km and there were several thousand forces on both sides.
        Now the front is under a thousand kilometers, hundreds of thousands of soldiers are involved, hundreds of pieces of various equipment, including fleet, aviation, drones, and much more.
        What might Girkin know about this, how could he have experience in managing such masses?
        If there are former officers among Girkin's fans, think about it.
        Girkin’s level is the maximum level of a battalion commander.
        And lastly, it’s simply amazing how adult, literate people blindly believe Girkin without even trying to double-check the information and compare.
        What kind of obsession? Wake up at last.
        And yet, I know all your arguments, they are not based on anything. Only in the words of Girkin himself.
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          12 February 2023 16: 13
          Who told you that Girkin is a former FSB colonel?
          Himself? Is there any other evidence besides his lies?
          Dear, the FSB does not keep such talkers. In addition, there is an OFFICIAL statement from the FSB that Girkin never served in the FSB.
          Why do you take Girkin’s word for it?
          His pension certificate doesn’t count?! winked
          1. -7
            12 February 2023 17: 17
            Quote: WFP-1
            Who told you that Girkin is a former FSB colonel?
            Himself? Is there any other evidence besides his lies?
            Dear, the FSB does not keep such talkers. In addition, there is an OFFICIAL statement from the FSB that Girkin never served in the FSB.
            Why do you take Girkin’s word for it?
            His pension certificate doesn’t count?! winked

            How funny you are. On Saturday I will go to the Vernissage in Izmailovsky and bring you a bunch of such certificates. As Ostap Bender said, with the modern development of printing...
            Experts cannot tell the difference between the fake banknotes they print.
            Or have you not heard or seen how all sorts of “generals” with beautifully made certificates were arrested?
            Who has seen this ID in person? Just a screenshot on the Internet? And how can you determine from the photo that it is not a fake?
            Let Girkin-Strelkov try with this ID to go into any entrance on Lubyanka or show it to a traffic cop.
            And a counter question - is the official statement of the FSB not enough for you?
            But it’s good that you started to think about it.
            As Kozma Prutkov said, question everything.
        2. +3
          12 February 2023 18: 26
          Regarding the “Strelkov-Prigozhin” communication, you have absolutely no knowledge of the topic. But more on that later. Let's start with this:
          In addition, there is an OFFICIAL statement from the FSB that Girkin never served in the FSB.
          I have already said that FSB officers simply laugh when asked about Girkin.
          Please post here the mentioned “OFFICIAL statement of the FSB”. I also ask you to submit a video recording in which “FSB officers simply laugh when asked about Girkin.”
          1. -7
            12 February 2023 18: 45
            Quote: Mr. PeZhe
            Regarding the “Strelkov-Prigozhin” communication, you have absolutely no knowledge of the topic. But more on that later. Let's start with this:
            In addition, there is an OFFICIAL statement from the FSB that Girkin never served in the FSB.
            I have already said that FSB officers simply laugh when asked about Girkin.
            Please post here the mentioned “OFFICIAL statement of the FSB”. I also ask you to submit a video recording in which “FSB officers simply laugh when asked about Girkin.”

            Actually, I don't owe you anything. I hope you know how to use a search engine.
            1. +2
              12 February 2023 18: 57
              Actually, I don't owe you anything. I hope you know how to use a search engine.

              As standard. Apparently according to the manual. Lie, get “offended” by the fact that they require proof and send it... to the Internet - look for it yourself. It's like a stigma. It's immediately clear who you're dealing with.
          2. -5
            12 February 2023 19: 01
            Quote: Mr. PeZhe
            Regarding the “Strelkov-Prigozhin” communication, you have absolutely no knowledge of the topic. But more on that later. Let's start with this:
            In addition, there is an OFFICIAL statement from the FSB that Girkin never served in the FSB.
            I have already said that FSB officers simply laugh when asked about Girkin.
            Please post here the mentioned “OFFICIAL statement of the FSB”. I also ask you to submit a video recording in which “FSB officers simply laugh when asked about Girkin.”

            Video recording? Shall we compete in jokes?
            Well then, you also provide a video of Girkin being presented with the shoulder straps of an FSB colonel and a copy of the order conferring the rank, please.
            You don’t like to think, but still think about how, in 10 years, conscript sergeant Girkin suddenly became an FSB colonel. Good luck.
            1. 0
              12 February 2023 21: 34
              Did I understand correctly that there will be neither an “official FSB statement” nor “laughing FSB officers”?
              As they say, “once is not phantomas.”
              1. -4
                12 February 2023 22: 22
                Quote: Mr. PeZhe
                Did I understand correctly that there will be neither an “official FSB statement” nor “laughing FSB officers”?
                As they say, “once is not phantomas.”

                I also correctly understood that there will be no copy of the order awarding the impostor Girkin the rank of FSB colonel. And there won’t be a photo of Girkin in the uniform of an FSB colonel either.
                And a photo of Girkin among FSB officers too. There are also no memories of Girkin’s colleagues in the FSB.
                So, according to Girkin himself, he joined the FSB in 1996, where he was awarded the rank of lieutenant. Cool from sergeants straight to lieutenants without any military education and monarchical views and from reenactors.
                According to the same swindler Girkin, he retired from the FSB in 2005 with the rank of colonel.
                Dear former Soviet and Russian officers present at VO, how do you like this career?
                From lieutenants to colonels in 9 years.
                No, of course this happened in history, Vasily Stalin for example.
                Vasily Stalin and Girkin, this is cool.
                As for Fantômas, I’m not interested in your friends, which of them has the nickname Fantômas.
                Leave your jokes for them. Good luck.
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  53. 0
    11 February 2023 23: 51
    We can only reconstruct the goals of the SVO, since in the absence of public policy the goals are not communicated to citizens.
    At the first stage, this is clearly the goal of inflicting a decisive defeat, of changing the government of the country to a conditional Lukashenko.
    At the second stage, it is to take over Donbass and the Black Sea region during a full-fledged military campaign.
    In the third stage we see a war of attrition.
    But during the first two stages, the security forces made so many two- and three-letter mistakes that now Russia is trying to start negotiating and reach Minsk-4. And this would be the most reasonable and shameless outcome. The problem is that no one gives it, looking at our recent successes: they are not threatening to the enemy, but often demonstrate a lack of growth.
  54. +3
    11 February 2023 23: 53
    There are 3 scenarios, defeat (well, we leave 4 regions and Crimea hangs). At the same time, the whole of Russia is suspended. Draw = Korean option, demarcation line according to the actual demarcation of the parties, long-term confrontation continues, but there are no global risks for Russia. In 4 new regions, in a number of others and in Crimea - front-line status. You can call this option half-ass. And option 3 is to crumble 404 until the complete loss of statehood. Do not occupy it, but wet it. Power plants, the military-industrial complex, bridges, the supply system, institutes, schools, hospitals, etc. - nothing works, the authorities are unable to govern the country, total unemployment, the budget deficit is completely covered by Western sponsors, stupid and greedy, no production, no services, everyone day air raids, half the country - refugees. And to exhaustion. I think this option is the only correct one. Bomb them into the Stone Age.
    1. +4
      12 February 2023 00: 15
      Quote: Glagol1
      At the same time, the whole of Russia is suspended

      What does it mean?
      Quote: Glagol1
      Korean version, demarcation line according to the actual demarcation of the parties

      In Korea, the demarcation line approximately corresponded to the line at the beginning of the movement. That is, the ceasefire as it is can be considered the Korean option, or the line on February 24 can be considered.
      Quote: Glagol1
      I think this option is the only correct one. Bomb them into the Stone Age.

      Has the bomb really grown? Where have you been hiding it all year?
    2. +1
      12 February 2023 16: 15
      I think this option is the only correct one. Bomb them into the stone age
      Are your teachers, by any chance, those Americans of the mid-twentieth century who were cursed by such jingoistic patriots?!
      1. +1
        13 February 2023 09: 02
        Quote: WFP-1
        Are your teachers, by any chance, those Americans of the mid-twentieth century who were cursed by such jingoistic patriots?!

        Fortunately, the Russian Aerospace Forces, good or bad, are not ready to suffer the kind of losses that the Americans suffered up to and including Vietnam. And there isn’t that much hardware.
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    1. -3
      12 February 2023 18: 43
      Quote: Maxim Arkhipov
      As the Japanese said, you have very beautiful children, but everything you do with your hands is bad, very bad. And now there are no children.

      The Japanese never said this. There is no need to pass off an anecdote as a real fact.
      Moreover, there is an anecdote with a long beard.
    2. -3
      12 February 2023 19: 39
      Quote: Maxim Arkhipov
      As the Japanese said, you have very beautiful children, but everything you do with your hands is bad, very bad. And now there are no children.

      Tsipsoshnik, you in Ukraine are cross-eyed and crooked, and for every hundred deaths there are only fifty newborns.
      You can complain to WHO, this is their data.
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    1. +2
      12 February 2023 09: 46
      But no system can change itself. The instinct of any system is self-preservation, conservation in its current state.
  59. +5
    12 February 2023 02: 34
    It can end either in a shameful agreement or in a miracle. People who are deeply religious can pray for a miracle, and they need to go with processions of the cross.
    How to neutralize in war conditions three simultaneously manifested bases of existing power: corruption, greed, and most importantly, and this is the most important thing, stupidity, only God knows.
    1. +2
      12 February 2023 09: 48
      Power is always (except in the case of the occupation administration, but even in this case the reliance is on collaborators) - flesh of the flesh of the people, even if these people do not want to look in this mirror.
  60. 0
    12 February 2023 03: 00
    Well, also cowardice as the fourth component.
  61. +1
    12 February 2023 03: 13
    .The second scenario involves the use of tactical nuclear weapons (TNW) and weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in order to destroy strongholds and fortified areas of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, turn the tide on the fronts and persuade the West and Ukraine to conclude peace on Russia’s terms
    In terms of logistics, Tiao’s ZU will not be used by the current government under any circumstances. And he will not tire of reassuring his partners about this. So that they don't get nervous. And suddenly they didn’t consider Kurochkin and his comrades to be bad guys. For even the threat of using Tiao requires the rudiments of some eggs, and not under a perch, like chickens, but between the legs. Yes, and the chicken people still have to live, then, somehow, unlike the pigeon people.
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    1. +1
      12 February 2023 09: 54
      China is taking full advantage of the situation and strengthening its position. I just doubt that we will receive gratitude from them later. Or maybe they are now buying our oil at market prices? Not at all - at a price much lower than the “upper” threshold established by the West. Wangyu: if China offers us to become its junior partner (and China is not interested in equal partners in principle), then the conditions of such a partnership will be much worse and tougher than those from the West, which did not suit our top leaders in advance (and even more so - in the pre-Crimean period.
      1. -2
        12 February 2023 10: 45
        Or maybe they are now buying our oil at market prices? Not at all - at a price much lower than the “upper” threshold established by the West.

        Reveal the truth to the world - at what price does China buy oil from Russia?
        And please provide a link to the source so that you can check how serious your data is.
        1. -3
          12 February 2023 11: 55
          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          Or maybe they are now buying our oil at market prices? Not at all - at a price much lower than the “upper” threshold established by the West.

          Reveal the truth to the world - at what price does China buy oil from Russia?
          And please provide a link to the source so that you can check how serious your data is.

          Dvinsky’s blog on ZEN provides data from Chinese customs on what price Russian oil is supplied at. According to the Chinese, $81 per barrel.
          1. +1
            12 February 2023 14: 50
            Ceiling - 60 dollars. If I understand correctly, then 81 is more than 60. And the statement about “much lower” is false.
            1. -3
              12 February 2023 17: 01
              Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
              Ceiling - 60 dollars. If I understand correctly, then 81 is more than 60. And the statement about “much lower” is false.

              I just quoted from the article. You can find this article by Dvinsky on Yandex Zen.
              I personally think that this may well be the case.
              1. 0
                12 February 2023 17: 50
                This shows the level of your opponents.
                There is information that contradicts the opinion.
                There is no information to support the opinion.
                But the opinion doesn't go away. It is more important than facts; it does not require confirmation by facts. Because it was expressed by a cool specialist in the field... and in all fields))).

                Moreover, commentary that requires facts is ignored.
                Really, what kind of nonsense is this? What kind of confirmation?
                There is an opinion - this is enough!
        2. 0
          12 February 2023 22: 27
          In October, China purchased oil from Russia at a 12,7% discount to the price of oil from Saudi Arabia (a year earlier, Russian and Saudi oil were sold to China at approximately the same price).

          https://rbc.ru/s/economics/20/11/2022/637a2a399a794746f0ba54ef
          You can argue about much below, but the fact that the Chinese are buying our espo at a huge discount to the similar Brent is a fact.

          But here is the situation with urals, it is much more interesting:
          https://kommersant.ru/s/doc/5824938

  63. -1
    12 February 2023 04: 25
    I advise you to finish it with FUN!
    Quote: fa2998
    Quote: Dead Day
    "it vaguely reminds me of Indo-Pakistani
    incident "V.S. Vysotsky (C)

    Vysotsky does not fit here. Muslims and Indians are fighting there - two different civilizations. Here they are fighting
    two divided peoples. And throwing "vigorous" bombs on them is somehow not comme il faut! Moreover, these territories have ALREADY been accepted into Russia - is it possible to unleash a nuclear war on "own" territory? request hi

    One people is at war - you are mistaken. Hera Pig Reich is two divided peoples. The territories are too vast for the tribes of one people to forget their common roots. And I advise the SVO to end it cheerfully... With amnesties and resolutions of what was previously forbidden. Then you won't be ashamed.
    1. -2
      12 February 2023 04: 36
      .And I advise SVO to end it cheerfully.. With
      Well, since the famous Ukrainian clown who played the piano turned out to be not as clownish as the secret KGB agent who defended the Berlin Wall with PM, then hilarity will be ensured. Upon completion, both will perform at Cirque Du Soleil.
  64. +2
    12 February 2023 05: 11
    The first and second options are idiocy and suicide. The third is the most acceptable. Because even if we occupy the entire Ukrainian territory, there will be no money to maintain it and restore it, especially in conditions of international isolation. What is the point of the Odessa ports if no one will go there? Our budget deficit last year broke a record since 1998. So there is no way out, we need to dig in where we are (with the exception of Donetsk, where the front needs to be moved away from the city), build a long-term layered defense with a powerful air defense system. And rebuild the economy, orient it toward the domestic market, increase citizens’ incomes, and stimulate the birth rate. That is, play the long game. Learn from Iran how to live under sanctions. And we are an order of magnitude more self-sufficient than Iran, so we can succeed if we have the desire and political will. I repeat, attempts at large-scale offensives and seizures of large territories are now mortally dangerous for us, so let’s put a bunch of guys + destroy a mountain of equipment + stretch the front, which still needs to be held by someone + and most importantly, hang millions of embittered people and a destroyed economy around our necks. And the other extreme is to try now to agree on something with the West. It is being pushed by the oligarchy, which understands that if the Iranian scenario is realized, the development of the country will occur at its expense, even nationalization in one form or another is possible. And it is better for them to sell the independence of Russia and Russia itself than to part with money. These desires to conclude a new Treaty of Brest-Litovsk are now being actively voiced by you know who.
    1. 0
      12 February 2023 07: 46
      If we occupy the entire Ukrainian territory, there will be no money to maintain it and restore it, especially in conditions of international isolation.

      It is difficult for me to understand what other money is needed to maintain and restore the former Ukraine. Russia has all the necessary resources for restoration. To recover you just need to work hard.

      and most importantly, we will hang millions of embittered people and a destroyed economy around our necks.

      The alternative is worse. These embittered people will be armed and sent to fight against us. And they will have nowhere to go. Yes, yes - the economy is destroyed. Therefore, it is necessary to bring the matter to the end. Do not cut off the tail in pieces. And yes, then he messes with embittered people and the economy destroyed in the territory of the former Ukraine.

      1. 0
        13 February 2023 00: 08
        You are a naive person... Just like me, by the way. And I would tell you a lot about what I think about today’s situation, but not for everyone to see. Although, those who are not completely stupid understand where everything is going.
  65. +2
    12 February 2023 06: 33
    Thirdly, the reaction of the West to this step is unknown, there is a risk that the response to another mobilization and the introduction of martial law will be the deployment of NATO troops to Ukraine.

    So-so argument. Like now the West is guaranteed not to be able to send troops into the territory of the former Ukraine. Maybe. Regardless of anyone's illusions.
    1. -3
      12 February 2023 11: 51
      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      Thirdly, the reaction of the West to this step is unknown, there is a risk that the response to another mobilization and the introduction of martial law will be the deployment of NATO troops to Ukraine.

      So-so argument. Like now the West is guaranteed not to be able to send troops into the territory of the former Ukraine. Maybe. Regardless of anyone's illusions.

      They can send troops outside NATO.
      For example, Poland will conclude a separate agreement with Ukraine on mutual assistance, as we do with the DPR and LPR.
      And then it will be Polish troops, not NATO.
      The US and NATO will de jure remain on the sidelines.
      1. -1
        12 February 2023 14: 43
        The US and NATO will de jure remain on the sidelines.

        In any case, it will be necessary to destroy Poland with nuclear weapons. Well, our lawyers will then explain why this is completely legal.
  66. -1
    12 February 2023 06: 38
    The consequences of this were devastating for the economy and set it back several decades.

    Several is at least three. That is, the Japanese economy was thrown back to the level of 1914? Is it true? Can you prove this somehow? Rather, you are just chatting, simply inventing (sucking) arguments.
  67. 0
    12 February 2023 06: 53
    that in Ukraine two branches of the once united people, the Eastern Slavs, are howling

    So-so argument. Poles are also Eastern Slavs. Will we take care of them too?
    During the civil war, only one people fought. The bitterness was the highest.
    Another thing is that nuclear weapons should be used only in accordance with the adopted strategy.
    Victory on the territory of the former Ukraine is not the case when nuclear strikes should be launched. At least for now.

    General opinion about the article. The ideas are generally correct. Banal, long understood by many, but true.
    But the argument is weak and far-fetched. Moreover, it is completely unclear what the author wanted to say. In any case, I didn't understand.
  68. -2
    12 February 2023 07: 42
    According to the author, entirely positive options for completing the military operation in Ukraine no longer exist. If we take as a basis the definition of the English historian Liddell Hart, who believes that the purpose of war is to achieve a better, at least from your point of view, state of the world after the war

    All this is philosophical reasoning in the absence of information.
    I think the question was different. There were two options that had different consequences.
    In the case of the beginning of SVO, there were some consequences, in the case of doing nothing, there were other consequences.
    The lesser of two evils was chosen.

    Many commentators assume that Russia is a giant in all respects, capable of anything. "Welcome to reality". Unfortunately, it is not. And trying to solve problems by changing leadership is not a panacea. Most likely, with a change in leadership it will get even worse.
    Maybe it's time to start realizing that we are not a world leader at all, but only one of the 10-15 strongest countries. And having nuclear weapons is just a bonus. Pakistan has nuclear weapons but is not trying to lead the world. Nuclear weapons only provide certain additional elections, sweeping aside military violence against our country.
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    1. -4
      12 February 2023 11: 46
      Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
      In the spring of 2023 there will be a second wave of mobilization - 500 thousand people.
      In the winter of 2024, the Russian Armed Forces will reach the borders of the Kherson, Zaporozhye, Donetsk, and Lugansk regions. Perhaps with the capture of pieces of the Nikolaev, Dnepropetrovsk and Kharkov regions. These pieces will also become part of the Russian Federation.
      With this, Putin will finish the SVO. That the Russian authorities will declare a victory, and the West – a defeat for Russia.
      Putin will not participate in the 2024 elections. A new president will be chosen.
      But this will be Putin's successor.
      Russia, in essence, will go into self-isolation mode. Ensuring their peaceful existence with their nuclear weapons. It is clear that not everyone will agree to leave our country alone. Provocations, terror and border conflicts will begin from the former Ukraine and Poland.
      Russia will completely destroy Poland and, possibly, Kyiv and Lvov with nuclear bombs.
      After which provocations and other dangerous military-terrorist movements by Russia’s enemies will stop.
      Russia will be completely isolated politically and almost completely economically. But the country will have 10–12 years to change the political landscape through purges and make a breakthrough in the economy.
      It is during this period that there will be an acute military confrontation between the United States and China.

      Maybe it will be so. But do we have anything to provide for these additional 500 thousand?
      These are not only armored vehicles and weapons, these are also drones, and most importantly tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.
      Most likely we won't be able to. We can't yet.
      1. -1
        12 February 2023 15: 00
        I have not the slightest doubt that our reserves and our industry will be able to provide even more than 500 thousand with everything they need. The conversation is not about right now and everyone at once.
        I don't see any big problems in this area. Yes, there will be plenty of chaos and theft. But all this is not important.
        1. -1
          12 February 2023 16: 57
          Quote: Expert_Analyst_Forecaster
          I have not the slightest doubt that our reserves and our industry will be able to provide even more than 500 thousand with everything they need. The conversation is not about right now and everyone at once.
          I don't see any big problems in this area. Yes, there will be plenty of chaos and theft. But all this is not important.

          In a year... in two? Does Russia have that much time?
          1. -3
            12 February 2023 17: 38
            Within 6 - 9 months. If you sit on the defensive for two years or more, this is not the right way.
  70. +1
    12 February 2023 10: 02
    I really like the second option. Judging by the Caribbean crisis and the statements of the American elite, they are afraid of a nuclear conflict like fire. You'd have to be a fool not to take advantage of this. Since Americans value money above all else, they should be frightened by financial losses. And when using yaos, they become simply colossal. The GDP also insured itself in this case - it modernized the strategic deterrence forces. So the Americans will be afraid of a global war. But locally it is necessary and possible to show Kuzka’s mother. So that they don’t think that Russians can be killed with impunity and that nothing bad will end.
  71. +4
    12 February 2023 11: 27
    Russia is not an exporter of unique goods. The West buys our oil, gas, nickel, ammonia, because we offer the cheapest
  72. +1
    12 February 2023 13: 43
    However, be that as it may, before the possible coming of the Republicans to power in the United States is still far away, and during this time anything can happen. Aid from Western countries is still growing. You can, of course, sit and wait for the weather from the sea, but how productive is it? And if the Republicans do not come to power at all, or for some reason change their minds, what then?



    It turns out that the course and result of the military defense depends on what, not on the actions of our military, not on the work of the defense industry of the Russian Federation, but on the decisions of the puppeteers from Washington who competently manage the puppets in Europe and in the Kremlin.....
    1. +4
      12 February 2023 15: 20
      There is a certain type of commentator who is constantly waiting for outside help. Either China will begin to conquer Taiwan, or politicians will come to power in the United States for whom Russian interests will be higher than American ones. There was also a story about many thousands of foreigners who would come and bravely fight for Russia. What’s interesting is that the lives of these commentators teach nothing.
  73. 0
    12 February 2023 16: 20
    Derartige Analysen tragen leider den ekelhaften Virus sich
    "selbst erfüllender Prophezeihungen" in sich..!!

    Deshalb meine dringende Bitte:

    Nothing, aber auch wirklich rein gar nichts könnte schlimmer sein,
    als wenn auch dieser US-inszenierte Bruder-Krieg in der
    Ukraine in einer durch die üblichen US-Intrigen beeinflussten,
    höchst tragischen Weise mit einer Teilung der Ukraine enden
    würde! Dies wäre eine unvorstellbare Katastrophe, die diesen
    Konflikt genau in der US-beabsichtigten Weise konservieren
    würde, wie wir es seit über 50 Jahren in Nord- und Süd-Korea
    erleben müssen und den die USA von Außen durch ihre
    Speichellecker in Seoul bis Heute anheizen!!

    Auch wenn es perfide klingt, aber dieser Krieg ist zum ersten
    mal die Chance, das US-Imperium auf dem falschen Fuß zu
    erwischen und ihm all die Völkermorde und Verbrechen mit
    Zins- und Zinseszins endlich heimzuzahlen!!
    Bis jetzt hat diese Mörderbande es bei seinen unerklärten
    Kriegen immer nur mit unterlegenen, kleinen, eher wehrlosen
    Staaten zu tun gehabt! Mit RUSSLAND haben diese Schweine
    dieses mal eindeutig ein wesentlich zu großes Stück "abgebissen",
    dass ihnen mit etwas Glück endgültig im Neck to get stuck
    könnte...!!!

    Wer hier nur die Konfrontation in der Ukraine sieht, der denkt
    ganz erheblich zu kurz! DAS HIER ist weit mehr als nur ein
    US-angezettelter Krieg unter Brüdervölkern, DAS ist zum ersten
    mal die Chance auch United Kingdom und seiner Metastasis USA
    mit einem gewaltigen Hieb den KOPF abzuschlagen ... !!

    Eine solche Chance mit aller Härte und ALLER ENTSCHLOSSENHEIT
    the material moisture meter shows you the WAR endlich auch in die Lander derjenigen zu tragen, die
    sonst immer nur Andere aufeinanderhetzen und gemütlich von außen
    zuschauen, kommt so schnell nicht wieder und darf UNTER KEINEN UMSTÄNDEN verpasst werden!!

    Ja, eine solche Vorgehensweise erfordert unabdingbar auch den
    klugen und wohlgesetzten Einsatz von Nuklearwaffen, weil es
    ohne nicht gelingen kann, diese Schweine auch auf ihren EIGENEN
    TERRITORIEN hart zu treffen, aber dafür bietet sich die Chance
    auf jahrhundertelangen ECHTEN Frieden, weil diesen blutrünstigen
    beasts NUR SO die Lust am immer noch weiteren Morden ein
    für alle mal ausgetrieben werden kann!!

    Russland hat es in der Hand die Initiative zu übernehmen und sich
    keinen faulen "US-Frieden" andrehen zu lassen, der letztlich doch
    nur eine Verschiebung der endgültigen Konfrontation bedeuten wird...!!

    Über die "Halbwertzeit" von mit den USA/GB und ihren EU-Stiefelleckern
    geschlossener "Verträge" muss man ja hoffentlich Niemanden mehr
    aufklären...!!



    https://online-musik24.com/Russia%20-%20National.mp3
  74. +1
    12 February 2023 16: 36
    How Russia can complete the NWO
    \
    Good question Well, the first option is to transfer a couple of tank divisions with air defense and Iranian military personnel to Syria and quietly set a condition!!!
    In a whisper, if NATO troops are not withdrawn from Ukraine, Hezbollah will receive Ukrainian NATO weapons
    Let the US Congress decide. Who is more important to them: Israel or Ukraine?
  75. -2
    12 February 2023 18: 16
    As long as we don't bomb bridges and tunnels, communication centers, etc. this nonsense will continue.
    Does the author not consider the option of fighting oligarchic groups at all? The Russian spring in 2014 was stopped not by Ukrainians, but by curators from the Russian Federation. For the self-organization of the proletariat in the LPR+DPR+ Kharkov and Odessa would instantly spread to Kyiv, Belgorod and Moscow. And there it’s not far from Warsaw and Berlin. So there was no chance; the oligarchs have no fools in their service. Now all the “patriotic” slogans and programs are from the times of the communists and the monarchy. And this is during the times of capitalism.
  76. +1
    12 February 2023 20: 35
    Our leadership has taken up the tug, but is now afraid to say that “it’s not strong.” In short, we screwed up with this war, that's what. You know, like a weightlifter who couldn’t fix the barbell, and now he’s writhing under it, injuring everything he can and can’t.
    And again I quote the ever-memorable Chernomyrdin: This has never happened before, and here it is again. But! Our pilot grabbed the steering wheel and became rigid. And his team, neighboring summer residents and those who joined them huddled around him. And they strictly ensure that their palms grip the steering wheel and do not weaken.
    It is clear that this pack will not give up power with kindness. Because they have nowhere to go, all of them, as one, will rattle onto their bunks.
    And the conclusion is simple. There will be a war. Big. She'll write everything off. But I hope not everyone.
  77. -1
    12 February 2023 21: 32
    The 38th parallel (aka Minsk-4) is possible only with clear plans and chances of winning the campaign. So far, the Ministry of Defense has not demonstrated this. On the contrary: all recent achievements were achieved by a structure that does not obey the Ministry of Defense. The successes of the regular army in other areas are insignificant or doubtful. The reports at the boards are strange.
    Let's see what will happen next. We will continue to donate for quads, communications and first aid kits.
  78. +1
    12 February 2023 23: 37
    Quote: Plate
    Russia has already made showcases out of outskirts once. And what's the result? Where is the Russia that did this? It seems to have fallen apart.


    I'll tell you what, Plate. I won’t bother myself with all your demagoguery, but since this is not the first time you have written me such nonsense, and I am familiar with the essence of your position, I can only express surprise why you have not yet been brought to justice for inciting ethnic hatred and separatism within countries. Do you even understand what it looks like from the outside? Don't you need the outskirts? Should they be poor? Well, tell us in more detail which outskirts you don’t need. Don't you need Donbass? Apparently you don’t need the Belgorod region, as well as the Kursk region, which are subject to constant shelling, but in well-fed Moscow they prefer not to notice it. And there people wonder, and this can be found on the Internet: why are their troubles not noticed? It turns out they are just the outskirts, right? Chechnya is probably also a suburb. You are probably very angry that, contrary to your logic, Putin is investing money there in the outskirts. Maybe Zamkadye bothers you with its existence? I assure you, your, exactly your phrases will be quoted by the enemies of Russia, put on the banner of separatism and will lead to a corresponding reaction in the poor, or nationally different from Russian regions of Russia. So keep an eye on the market so as not to fall under the article.
  79. 0
    12 February 2023 23: 59
    To complete the NWO, it is necessary to stop all trade with Ukraine’s allies, stop the export of capital and people and, the easiest thing, invest money in adapting existing weapons to the needs of the NWO.
    .
    In March, I wrote about the need to buy one hundred thousand civilian quadcopters. And there are ideas for today.
    But any weapon is powerless if the soldiers and commanders do not have anger at the enemy, if the Kremlin incorrectly sets tasks for the army, if there is no political will to dismantle the Bandera state and execute its functionaries.
    1. 0
      13 February 2023 03: 01
      In March, I wrote about the need to buy one hundred thousand civilian quadcopters. And there are ideas for today.

      And I even know what ideas. Buy a million civilian quadcopters and 100 thousand military ones.
  80. -1
    13 February 2023 00: 06
    The laws of physics do not prohibit us from completing this SVO, for example, in the city of Washington with the hoisting of our flag.
    What is practically observed raises some uncomfortable questions:
    Here is Artemovsk, it has length and width. There have been no civilians there for a long time, and if there are, you need to understand that this does not stop anyone from doing anything.
    Attention, question: what’s stopping you from simply filling up the city with TOS-1, TOS-2? so that nothing alive will survive there?
    What prevents you from plowing the field with MLRS and cannon artillery when trying to advance to a given locality?
    Why in this mode - strike - advance - strike prohibiting the advance of enemy reserves is advance not carried out?
    Why capture this settlement? What is the military expediency of seizing a city and storming it instead of blocking the supply of material resources to the city? (The group in that city must eat something and shoot something else).
    I fully admit that in my thoughts I may not take into account something important. Please correct me.
    1. +1
      14 February 2023 19: 55
      What’s stopping you from simply filling up the city with TOS-1, TOS-2? so that nothing alive will survive there?
      There is not enough TOS-1 and TOS-2 and ammunition for them. Likewise with MLRS and cannon artillery.

      What is the military expediency of seizing a city and storming it instead of blocking the supply of material resources to the city?

      I don’t understand anything here either. Well, besides the fact that our aviation has not flown further than 5-6 km beyond the front line since a certain time (since the end of March? since April? since the summer? definitely hasn’t flown in the fall).
      Even if the generals or the supreme (or elite, or religion or something else?) strictly prohibits bombing and destroying bridges (bridges over locks) on the Dnieper and demolishing substations + railway depots, then there should still be solid craters instead of train stations long ago , freight railway stations of Kramatorsk, (Lozova, Barvinkove) Pokrovsk, Pavlograd, Zaporozhye, etc.
      If the war with Ukraine had been waged by the Americans, then this would have been the case. And ALL the bridges across the Dnieper would no longer exist by the end of March - beginning of April.
    2. +1
      14 February 2023 20: 08
      More to the question
      Why capture this settlement?

      Here again, the leading military correspondent of the KP Steshin gave birth to another brilliant idea about the super plan of our command. (They didn’t tell him - he guessed it himself! If he didn’t guess, then they were out of business!)
      https://www.kp.ru/daily/27464/4720495/ Там и карта интересная.

      At the end of spring, there was also a lot of noise about the fact that our army was enveloping the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass into a huge cauldron along the line Izyum/Barvenkove - Gulyai Pole/Velika Novoselka. But alas, only stubborn optimists believed in this by August.

      Now she’s healthy again, only the coverage is less and advancement is more difficult (not in an open field like Barvenkovo ​​and Gulyai Polye, but in the heavily fortified Bakhmut and Vugledar
  81. +3
    13 February 2023 00: 48
    Any scenario that rejects a quick victory for fear of a Western reaction condemns us to failure.
  82. +1
    13 February 2023 07: 47
    For me, this pseudo state called Ukraine should disappear altogether! It was not in History and should not be. At the same time, I am against tactical nuclear strikes on this territory! Not because I feel sorry for all this merry rabble, but because these contaminated territories will have to be restored not by the children of those who advocate for this, but by a simple village Vanya from the village of Gadyukino, where there is no work!
  83. -1
    13 February 2023 11: 40
    Stability is over, the apoliticality of the people too.... 2024 and the Presidential elections are coming soon. Let's see what the people will choose: Imaginary "stability in ruin" or a Free and Strong country with a strong internal social policy. And remember, comrades, every vote matters. hi
  84. -1
    13 February 2023 11: 59
    Quote: qqqq
    Only the West’s fear of destruction and/or the creation of an alliance can turn it in our favor

    Doesn’t it bother you that the West has a fear that they are next and therefore they will give Ukraine everything they have and even more?
  85. -1
    13 February 2023 18: 55
    Quote: bayard
    Quote: Negro
    But surely hypermilitarization in the style of Japan in the 40s or the USSR in the 30s does not affect the amount of grub in any way?

    Since the beginning of the 30s, Japan has been at war with China, and since 194, also with England and the USA. War is always bad for the economy.
    The United States should not be cited as an example - they never fought on their territory, they were not bombed, and all the capital and best personnel from Europe migrated across the ocean during both wars.
    And now about the USSR.
    30s.
    During these same 30s, the USSR not only carried out Industrialization and rebuilt the Army, but also raised the standard of living in the country many times over. And there was no "hypermilitarization" in the country. There was a healthy and balanced Militarization on the eve of the World War. Which did not in the least affect the quality of life of the Land of the Soviets. Rather, it influenced (militarization) in an exceptionally positive way. As a result, millions of new jobs were created at complex high-tech enterprises, and engineering personnel were trained. These people received GOOD salaries and their standard of living constantly grew.
    Quote: Negro
    amount of grub?

    Grew up. The collectivization and mechanization of agriculture led to a sharp and multiple increase in yields and productivity, the emergence of a large amount of marketable grain, which not only fed their cities, but it was exported in huge quantities - as payment for the supplied technical equipment for new factories. I had occasion to speak on this topic with many people who survived that period - from the middle to the end of the 30s, the level and quality of life increased in leaps and bounds, and continued to grow.
    Quote: Negro
    amount of grub?

    And the quality of food also grew very quickly.
    And filling the market with consumer goods.
    In addition, before Khrushchev's reforms, the USSR still had a diversified economy with a very large share of the private (then it was called "personal") and the collective (joint-stock) sectors. Clothing and shoe factories , shops , hairdressers , cafes and restaurants , artels and associations . Even Ilf and Petrov testify to this - Ostap Bender opens a fictitious cover company "Horns and Hooves". State ownership was only in large enterprises, strategic industries, but what filled the market with food and consumer goods was provided by private and collective enterprises. And therefore, everything was enough, as soon as the post-war devastation was defeated and the state stabilized.
    A healthy militarization will not harm Russia today either. Let's say those metallurgical enterprises that were under sanctions should (and are obliged) to be switched to the production of artillery shells, armor plates and other things for the needs of the defense industry. enterprises will receive an extended order, the Army - everything they need, the Economy - Growth, and the People - an increase in the quality of life.
    Thus, the United States has always come out of crises - with war and military orders for the military-industrial complex. So the Soviet Union on the eve of WWII made a breakthrough into the future. Industrialization and healthy Militarization are ALWAYS good for the Economy.

    And then Japan simply overstrained itself - to fight simultaneously with China (from the beginning of the 30s), England, the USA, and then the USSR ... this is a sentence.

    There is no need for fairy tales about the normal militarization of the USSR in the 30s; in the villages there were eggs on the table on holidays, but they riveted 20 thousand tanks, which were lost without normal management in the first months of the war. My grandfather told me about the effectiveness of collectivization, there was an increase in productivity in propaganda and on posters, after the war, private farmsteads generally produced more agricultural products than collective farms, according to official sources, then the nuts were loosened a little, realizing that the peasants would not be satisfied with sticks for their workdays.
  86. +4
    13 February 2023 18: 58
    Quote: Ulan.1812
    “FSB Colonel Strelkov saw it and didn’t read further.
    How many times can this rogue and impostor be called by titles that he never had.
    You are missing the real heroes who are now there at the front, and not this coward Girkin, who ran away, betrayed everyone, including his parents, and is now sitting on the couch and doing shit.
    We found ourselves a guru.
    I hope the FSB will finally take care of him and his long, filthy language.
    Put minuses, Jehovah's Witnesses sect... sorry Girkin.

    Girkin has not amassed any wealth for himself, he travels to OT, eats Doshirak, he is an ideological man, before accusing someone of cowardice, tell us about your exploits
  87. +1
    13 February 2023 20: 26
    The problem is not with the SVO. It will all end in a compromise, neither yours nor ours, that’s obvious. At most, Donbass will be liberated, that’s all. The main question is how to live further? What and Who will happen after Putin? Will the leadership decide on radical reforms (and they are needed)? That is, the problem for Russia is classic, internal. This will determine whether Russia will be ready for another war with Ukraine; I have no doubt that it will be over time. Well, the sanctions will not be completely lifted, which means we need to move from a raw material economic model to a high-tech one. Putin, obviously, is no longer capable of this, it will only be a waste of time and resources.
  88. 0
    13 February 2023 22: 49
    we have certain elements of a contractual war.

    Exactly.
    This is also confirmed by the strange front line near our border, in the Kharkov region. It was absolutely incomprehensible to me how our troops build defenses near the border: they dig a trench right up to the border, put the right-flank machine gunner there and... then the border guards are in charge of the border? How does the battalion commander operate near the border? Is it bending its flank along the border? How many km? Is he simply negotiating with the “neighbor on the right” in the form of border guards? Takes one company to Russian territory and negotiates with the border guards about an inconspicuous trench behind their positions? What if the left-flank battalion commander, Ukrov, decides to bypass the right flank of our troops across the border? Is the ukrov battalion commander bending his flank at the border? How many km?
    Why are there no shootouts or attacks between Ukrainians and border guards at the neighboring checkpoint on the border?
  89. -1
    14 February 2023 15: 13
    Quote: not the one
    Do you know what this reminds me of today? Korea.

    I agree.
    There, too, goods flowed across the front line non-stop, and the left hand of the Great Helmsman transferred money to the South Korean Army (as Abramovich transferred $2,7 yards to the needs of the Bandera Armed Forces, and his press service said that now it was not his money).

    https://t.me/strelkovii/3965
  90. 0
    14 February 2023 16: 05
    Nobody argues with the fact that the Volga flows into the Caspian Sea. But the supporters of the first two options were not particularly famous and either did not show themselves on the battlefields in the leadership of military operations (Alksnis) or showed themselves with a big minus sign (Girkin). Strelkov, after surrendering half of the territory of the DPR, on which the Ukrainians have now built the most powerful fortified areas, died forever! Only Girkin remained alive...
    Well, they don’t want to mobilize because in doing so they would have to admit that the course towards unification with the West, because of which all this perestroika and beyond, was strategically wrong. The consumer society (that’s us!!!), the army and the entire economy were built around this. And it is impossible to change all this quickly. So citizens, consumers and taxpayers, now just bite the bullet and endure. The USSR then destroyed its own... As for tactical nuclear weapons, it is unlikely, unless in response to effective attacks on our territory, including Crimea. And in this case you will have to endure even more, because... The West will organize the answers.
  91. 0
    14 February 2023 18: 28
    The SVO can be successfully completed within two to three weeks. The command of the Russian Armed Forces knows the exact coordinates of the location of Zelensky and all the highest Bandera military commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the SBU, the general staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the main office of the SBU. It is enough to launch a comprehensive fire strike at the locations of all these Bandera commanders and main command posts to destroy this viper within one hour. The second blow is delivered to the Ukrainian Armed Forces' communications facilities. What follows is complete chaos, collapse and disorganization of the activities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At the same time, it is necessary to call on the Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters, stop senseless military actions, the senseless death of thousands of Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters and the bloody massacre, leave combat positions, eliminate Bandera members from foreign detachments and Ukrainian Armed Forces commanders resisting in combat positions. Having sowed panic in the enemy’s camp, it is necessary to rush the main tank units of the Russian Armed Forces to Kyiv and capture the main military-political center of the Ukrainian fascists. All! The main activities of the SVO operation have been practically completed. Next, it will simply be necessary to eliminate local pockets of resistance by Bandera’s supporters in Square.
  92. 0
    14 February 2023 21: 26
    Why is the FSB colonel retired? Did he quit for health reasons? He is not old enough to retire