The Ukrainian side said that it was able to launch American anti-aircraft missiles using Buk launchers

Launcher for the RIM-7 Sea Sparrow on a US Navy ship

The American press, citing its own sources, writes that the United States of America in the new package of military assistance to Ukraine intends to supply such weaponwhich has not been supplied before. And it's not just about the Patriot air defense system and the Bradley infantry fighting vehicle.

As it turns out, we are also talking about Sea Sparrow missiles.

The RIM-7 Sea Sparrow is an American-made guided anti-aircraft missile. It was originally produced as a sea-to-air (ship-to-air) missile, but later a modification appeared that allows missiles to be launched from an installation located on land.

In service with the US Navy was adopted about 50 years ago. Designed primarily to intercept combat assets aviation. It also allows you to hit certain types of cruise missiles at a distance of up to 30 km.

The Ukrainian side claims that they can now launch American anti-aircraft missiles with the help of Buk air defense systems - after these complexes have been finalized, many of which remained until recently in storage or were even decommissioned.

Sea Sparrow has a version of RIM-7P, which is distinguished by an increased range of combat use and a data exchange system with an on-board computer.

The number of such missiles that will be included in the next package of US military supplies to the Kyiv regime has not yet been reported.

Comments

[B-777]

It sounds like the "excuse" of the Americans themselves that they allegedly did not transmit the launchers ...

[Luka Nord]

Zelya agreed there bastard Kill and kill Well, well

[marchcat]

A variant is possible, as with their Hammer mortar, a grenade of the wrong system.

[Fizik13]

Quote: marchcat

A variant is possible, as with their Hammer mortar, a grenade of the wrong system.

It's more flowers. Soon they will squeal that they will launch tomahawks from Tochek-U. What you just don’t announce for the sake of self-promotion.

[Mad_Max]

What are the actual launchers?
RIM-7 Sea Sparrow is generally a ship-based missile. Created on the basis of an air-to-air missile.
The Americans themselves do not have land launchers for them - what to transfer something ?!

The idea of ​​the Sea Sparrow "collective farm" for BUKs just arose because they needed to find some cheaper and more massive (than NASAM and Patriot) anti-aircraft missiles in order to shoot down various small, light, but massive targets such as drones. And the naval forces have such missiles in large quantities. But there are no ground launchers for them that could be donated to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. So they began to cross "snake with a hedgehog."

[Zoldat_A]

Quote from: Mad_Max

find some cheaper and more massive (than NASAM and Patriot) anti-aircraft missiles to shoot down various small, light, but massive targets such as drones.

It doesn’t hurt, and cheap ones - more than 160 kilobass rocket. With drones, the same "Geraniums", it's all the same to compare - the gold ones come out.
Yes, one "Geranium" can cause damage several times and ten times more than it costs, but, nevertheless, it's still not the cheapest solution. And if a volley of "Geraniums? Well, it will shoot down one, and then? It will turn out ridiculous if the price of air defense covers the cost of the covered object, the installation of 8 missiles and some kind of substation, which in dollars costs 80-100 thousand at the most.

Another "wunderwaffel" in the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, promising them "overcome".
Interestingly, Svidomo have already called children in Ukraine Javelins and Bayraktars. And how to live a child with the name "Sea Sparrow"? After all, they think...

[Mad_Max]

I wrote not "cheap", but "cheaper" than rockets for NASAM and Patriot. Yes, 160k green is not cheap, but against the background of rockets for NASAM and Patriot (400-800k according to various sources) it is many times cheaper.

Well, with transformers and other infrastructure - there now it’s no longer a matter of the fact that in terms of money the damage is large from such attacks, but that the stocks of power transformers and similar equipment to replace regularly destroyed ones are starting to run out not only not only at the Ukraine, but also for countries that use compatible equipment and will help to supply a usable (without restructuring the entire system, but by replacing only a single knocked-out element of it) replacement. And having 100k, it’s just not possible to go and buy it in addition - because. warehouse stocks have already been emptied, and a new production order can of course be placed (and I have no doubt that it has already been placed), but it will be ready for shipment only in six months or a year.

[Comet]

Quote from: Mad_Max

The idea of ​​the Sea Sparrow "collective farm" for BUKs just arose because they needed to find some cheaper and more massive (than NASAM and Patriot) anti-aircraft missiles in order to shoot down various small, light, but massive targets such as drones.

It's not about the high cost of missiles. Geraniums are low-speed targets, which, against the background of the earth, are very difficult targets for the ARGSN. Due to the low speed, such targets are "hidden" in reflections from the ground of the ARGSN probing signal, which creates a limitation on the minimum speed of the target being hit. Therefore, we need missiles with command or semi-active guidance, which have almost no restrictions on the minimum speed of the target being hit.
By the way, the S-300PT / PS also does not work on targets with such flight speeds.

[Serge9901]

Are there specials? It's real? I read somewhere - systems are incompatible.

[spirit]

What was unrealistic yesterday is real today. Specialists from Raytheon out there converted the old swifts into a good kamekaze drone, earlier drone boats, NATO missiles in an instant, what else they can remake there, God only knows, there all representatives of large contractors of the US military-industrial complex work hard , so they may well do this

[alexoff]

We would have such specialists to improve thousands of dots and put GPS-Glonass correction modules into them to hit with an accuracy of five meters. I think it's definitely cheaper than waiting for corrected missiles to a tornado-s

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Here the Persians managed to adapt to the F-14 instead of the "Phoenixes" the "Improved Hawk" missile defense system.

[Sergey Sfiedu]

P.S. Lenta.ru writes that Sea Sparrow missiles have already been adapted to the Kub air defense system.

[Aag]

Quote: Serge9901

Are there specials? It's real? I read somewhere - systems are incompatible.

Why downvote a colleague for an informational, non-provocative question? ...
... I understand, IMHO: all true patriots, and just normal citizens (I will not be categorical, - again, - IMHO .... NOOO, VERY STRONG !!!) /
... They also STRONGLY cannot understand what is happening ..... (((.
(here is the lever support for the West ... (().

[donavi49]

In our age, there are no incompatible systems if they work on the same principle. Buka radar and gives the necessary data for Sparrow? Issues! Highlights? Highlights! The rest is a matter of technology, put a couple of blocks, a computer-switch and now it's off.

If anything, there are quite a few such projects, perhaps they used the experience of various commercial upgrades.

Here is the Czech RETIA and MBDA

But the road from the Americans - where a separate command vehicle with a radar is used, but the Cube turns into an ESSM vertical launch carrier.

[NKT]

Poland was finished under their Cube, now they have done it under Buk.

[donavi49]

Well, the Polish version actually turned the launcher into a close-to-autonomous combat a la Buk. For example, beech launchers have their own illumination radar, even if it has to be changed, then there is already infrastructure and space, while in Cuba everything had to be sculpted on farms.

[bayard]

But it turned out quite well, so they will come up with such containers for the old Strela-10 and Osu-AKM. Let not 4, but 2 containers ...

[Comet]

Quote: Serge9901

Are there specials? It's real? I read somewhere - systems are incompatible.

Really. The minimum that needs to be done is to replace the transmitter and the target illumination channel in the Buk SDA with the frequency of the C-Sparrow seeker, install containers with missiles on the existing rails with appropriate switching. Already in this form, these missiles can be used. For a more "serious" application, it is necessary to replace the TsVS programs for calculating lead angles when launching missiles.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Serge9901

It's real?

Very real.
The Italians, the French, the British, back in Soviet times, put their equipment and weapons to the Arabs on Soviet equipment.

[Michael]

Somehow I don't believe it.
"You cannot harness a horse and a quivering doe into one team" (c).

[voice of reason]

Well, you can also use a catapult, or such a huge bow ....

[Vashek]

In fact, where to start is not a trick, even from the table. That is, issue start commands. Focus to bring and here Buk is unlikely to help.

[spirit]

Patriot radar can. Just cheap missiles to destroy Mopeds.

[alexoff]

Well, as long as the mopeds don't go astray too much. And here, apparently, they are trying to make front-line air defense, where geraniums are not private guests. Unless anti-radar

[voyaka uh]

NASAMS adapted to shoot down "mopeds"
very clearly.
Although this is a "gun for sparrows."
The Americans have a large stock of Sea Sparrow missiles.
And Buki APU will soon be left without missiles.

[alexoff]

How adapted have you been? I remember even without them, according to victorious reports, 90% of anything was shot down from machine guns, but what kind of specifics? Well, like shots from the complex, they say - here are five mopeds flying on the radar, they were clicked, nothing fell on the city. Well, like, 15 crumpled moped engines were assembled on the streets of Kyiv. And then they don’t even put pictures of a Kyiv poshnik showing a thumb, for greater persuasiveness

[Negro]

Quote: voyaka uh

And Buki APU will soon be left without missiles

Yes, in the spring and summer everyone was waiting for the Ukrainians to run out of Soviet air defense - like we won’t do counter-air defense operations, we don’t know how to do them, we just wait until the resource of Soviet equipment and ammunition runs out.

Apparently, they waited - NATO all over the world rushed to solve the problem. Polish wasps and S-125s, American missiles - almost all of them, Italian, French. So far, there were only British rapiers and German Rolands, well, and something new in detail.

[alexoff]

Who was waiting? It seems that ordinary viewers thought that the air defense systems would be knocked out, but no one said that the missiles would run out. No one knows what they thought in the General Staff, perhaps even in the General Staff itself

[Negro]

Quote from alexoff

It seems that ordinary viewers thought that the air defense systems would be knocked out, but no one said that the missiles would run out.

I don’t know what kind of audience you have there, but the fact that the air defense forces would not be knocked out became clear at least in mid-March. By the first de-escalation, this was no longer a question. Therefore, further conversations went on, they say, all the S-300s will break, and then we will uncover the FABs ... Bridges across the Dnieper, fortified areas, this whole story.

[alexoff]

For some reason, I don’t remember such reports; in the spring, planes still flew by the ribbon and bombed. In the summer, they thought in a direct battle in the steppe to grind everyone stupidly with artillery, they worried about the bayraktars and the fleet, since it seemed like the enemy was already deprived of fuel, and the missiles constantly covered the deployment points. They began to worry about air defense when, in the event of counter-offensives, no one flew in and bombed these counter-offensives, and if they did, then a couple of planes with several fabs flew in. Or do you have specific links?

[SovAr238A]

Quote from alexoff

Who was waiting? It seems that ordinary viewers thought that the air defense systems would be knocked out, but no one said that the missiles would run out. No one knows what they thought in the General Staff, perhaps even in the General Staff itself

Come on...
Read the March 2022 discussion of topics. There, each "turbo" noted that the Ukrainians would end everything and then they would begin to surrender in batches.

[alexoff]

It was not about missiles to the air defense, but to the lists of the Ministry of Defense that they shot down all the planes and burned almost all the armored vehicles with artillery, they say - now let's go ahead and conquer the remaining two-thirds of Ukraine. And the planes flew from the X31 and bombed targets in the depths of the territories without question, they were with "khibiny". The air defense systems on these lists, even now, are not too destroyed compared to what it was in 2021. And you are engaged in constructing the past based on today's conversations, when red lines are drawn everywhere and guided weapons are used up

[Comet]

Quote: spirit

Patriot radar can. Just cheap missiles to destroy Mopeds.

Patriot radar can't.

[novel66]

There, it seems, while there is no capture and no launch

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, the "Sea Sparrow" is the "analogue" of the "Aspid" ... But not the "Buk"! How could they manage? There must be different frequencies, signal encoding...

[cold wind]

Changing frequencies and signal encoding is not a problem. Welding the desired guides is even easier. These missiles were fired innumerable, there is production, there are also a lot of BUKs. This news is more important than the supply of patriots, there are only two of them.

[Negro]

Here some intra-American affairs went. Like the Air Force gives AMRAAMs for Nasams, the infantry gives Patriots and Avengers (and Hoki, by the way, where are they?), the fleet was out of business, and now the fleet fit in with its missiles (well, at least not SM-3/6 yet, khe-khe ).

[Real Pilot]

If such integration has grown together, then it will be very interesting for our specialists to study this best practice.
Probably, from Buk there are only guides and the cart itself, and the electronics are all changed.

[dmi.pris1]

HARM was added to the MiG29. The option described in the article is quite possible.

[alexoff]

Well, the harm itself flies, you can launch it from trucks, but here you need the backlight of your radar, it’s still more difficult

[Aag]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

HARM was added to the MiG29. The option described in the article is quite possible.

It seems that this is an echo of the desire to "make money" on arms exports ...
Maybe it's not so bad...
in this crazy World... Only now they completely forgot about the boomerang effect. Like, - maybe an otayka will fly in, - but, not for us anymore ...
(((((

[Aag]

Quote: AAG

Quote from: dmi.pris1

HARM was added to the MiG29. The option described in the article is quite possible.

It seems that this is an echo of the desire to "make money" on arms exports ...
Maybe it's not so bad...
in this crazy World... Only now they completely forgot about the boomerang effect. Like, - maybe an otayka will fly in, - but, not for us anymore ...
(((((

Ready to listen to your objections

[Aag]

Quote: AAG

Quote: AAG

Quote from: dmi.pris1

HARM was added to the MiG29. The option described in the article is quite possible.

It seems that this is an echo of the desire to "make money" on arms exports ...
Maybe it's not so bad...
in this crazy World... Only now they completely forgot about the boomerang effect. Like, - maybe an otayka will fly in, - but, not for us anymore ...
(((((

Ready to listen to your objections

For readiness for dialogue began to minus?

[nik-mazur]

The Ukrainian side claims that they can now launch American anti-aircraft missiles using Buk air defense systems.

A couple of me tormented by vague doubts. Even if we compare purely technical parameters, it turns out to be garbage, because the Buk missile in terms of mass, exactly, is three times larger than this Sea Sparrow. Not to mention any electronics that hardly have anything in common. It is necessary to saw through the locator and control systems.
Purely theoretically, probably, it is possible to collect something if you get very confused, but practically, it is very doubtful.
So, just for reference:

Anti-aircraft missile complex "Buk" 9M38
Curb weight: 690 kg
Length: 5,5 m
Diameter: 0,4 m

RIM-7 Sea Sparrow
Weight: 230 kg
Length: 3,64 meters
Diameter: 0,203 m

...
PS Dear admins, will the notification button appear someday? Or did the ukrodiverstants finally win?

[cold wind]

You see, of course, it’s not very convenient for me to explain this, but ... If something is smaller than something, then the smaller one will go crazy in this larger one. The problem is when, on the contrary, more does not fit into less.

[nik-mazur]

Quote from cold wind

If something is less than something, then the lesser will be crammed into the greater.

Like, how to fire a 45mm projectile from a 152mm howitzer? Or cut the DShK under an automatic cartridge? Clear.
But since you are deeply versed in the topic, don’t you think it’s hard to sketch out how the Soviet Buk can be quickly cut into American missiles? Note that only missiles are American, and everything else - radar, control electronics, even guides - should be made on the Ukrainian knee of shit and sticks ...

[cold wind]

Nothing complicated, just like upgrading to other new missiles. SOC / SDA are reconfigured to RIM-7 operating frequencies, a new launch control unit, new guides are welded. 8 missiles per launcher (as in a ship version) will stand up like a glove. A couple of months for development, business for 1-2 weeks of unhurried work on altering the battery. In general, there are no problems. Work began in October with the first strikes on the energy infrastructure. The logical result of meaningless, more precisely, harmful actions for the Russian Federation by its authorities.

[Aag]

Quote from cold wind

You see, of course, it’s not very convenient for me to explain this, but ... If something is smaller than something, then the smaller one will go crazy in this larger one. The problem is when, on the contrary, more does not fit into less.

Let me connect to the question (it hangs for at least two days
Sincerely, Irkutsk....
If it is not clear - 29 rdn

[rocket757]

Not to mention any electronics that hardly have anything in common. It is necessary to saw through the locator and control systems.

Do not cut ... cut down everything unnecessary and make the launch platform controlled from the outside.
Chassis, body can be left ...

[nik-mazur]

Quote: rocket757

cut down everything unnecessary and make a starting platform

Well, yes. As a result, the engine and tracks will remain from Buk. Ax soup in a new way...

[mlad]

then nafik BUK to redo, even then any dump truck can be adapted

[solar]

Dimensions are just not a problem, Sea Sparrow is smaller and lighter, it could not be the other way around.
But target illumination is a big question.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote from: nik-mazur

PS Dear admins, will the notification button appear someday? Or did the ukrodiverstants finally win?

Looks like the button has been removed. Sadly no notification.... Although...ban comes...regularly... As per schedule.

[Aviator_]

Looks like the button has been removed. It's sad without notifications .... recourse Although ... The ban comes ... regularly ... negative As per schedule.

I agree, communication has become much worse. A ban - he is a ban. This is from the moderators, not from the interlocutors. They don't give a damn.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: 30 vis

Sad no notification

It's not just sad, it's wildly uncomfortable. I, in fact, hung out here precisely because of the convenient interface for discussions. Without notifications, this is almost the only advantage that has disappeared.

[Mad_Max]

Without notifications, this is generally not a discussion, but rather "broadcasting thoughts to the public." I spoke... and forgot. Do not walk then check manually.

[Pantsuy]

Quote from: nik-mazur

PS Dear admins, will the notification button appear someday? Or did the ukrodiverstants finally win?

I thought I was the only one with this problem...

[Misha Kamensky]

The main thing here is that a "serious" weapon has gone. Soon Abrams, Leopards and F - 15,16. waited

[Pantsuy]

Quote: Misha Kamensky

The main thing here is that a "serious" weapon has gone. Soon Abrams, Leopards and F - 15,16. waited

Another six months of such chewing of snot, and dill will have more equipment of all kinds than in the entire Russian army and navy combined. The humanists jumped...

[Vyacheslav57]

This is already serious, the upgraded Sea Sparrow RIM-7P in combination with the Patriot air defense system will create an air defense system in depth. Everything will depend on the quantity supplied. In addition, the German air defense system. Pump up Ukraine to the fullest.

[Ru_Na]

It is clear that Ukraine will be pumped up with weapons, the United States is beneficial to this conflict, and until they skim all the cream off it, Washington will not drain the "square". The conflict will be protracted and those who predict its end in 2023 I think are too optimistic in their forecasts.

[Pantsuy]

Quote: Ru_Na

The conflict will be protracted and those who predict its end in 2023 I think are too optimistic in their forecasts.

That is why there is no time to waste. It is urgent to carry out the second wave of mobilization, to begin training. Remove equipment from conservation and put in order. At times increase the release of ammunition. If it is not possible to produce it ourselves, then buy uniforms, supplies, and so on. And at the same time, dramatically increase the blows. First, turn off all energy, while it is winter and cold, then smoothly move on to transport infrastructure. Because, as we see, this freebie with strikes will soon end, since the ukrostan will have its own layered air defense. And then a bunch of modern armored vehicles with aviation. Time is playing against us. And every hour it will be harder and harder for us.

[Alex777]

Quote: Pantsuy

That is why there is no time to waste. It is urgent to carry out the second wave of mobilization, to begin training.

And my friends from the Orchestra say that such a flow of volunteers comes to them that they don’t know where to attach them. It comes from all over the world.
The second wave of mobilization is not needed. You are very off topic. Soon everything will be clear.

Quote: Pantsuy

At times increase the release of ammunition.

It's already been done. And much that is not visible from the sofa - too.

Quote: Pantsuy

Because, as we see, this freebie with strikes will soon end, since the ukrostan will have its own layered air defense.

It will never be there. Simply because it is not in the West.
Ukraine had air defense as a legacy from the USSR. But it floated.
I am telling you this as a VUS specialist.

Quote: Pantsuy

And then a bunch of modern armored vehicles with aviation. Time is playing against us. And every hour it will be harder and harder for us.

What do you know for a bunch of armored vehicles?
Do you know that it takes 1 tons of fuel to fill 50 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles 33 time? 137 liters per 100 km she has consumption.
That supplying this heap of heterogeneous equipment with ammunition and spare parts is death for any logistics?
There's a lot more I could say, but you'll see for yourself soon enough.
And the Sumerians will not have Western aviation. Don't even worry.

[Negro]

Quote: Alex777

that such a stream of volunteers is coming to them that they don’t know where to attach them.

[Vasily Lugovskoy]

There are 27 bridges on the Dnieper, three have already been destroyed near Kherson, most of the bridges are Kyiv and upstream. It is enough to destroy about 10 bridges and then the logistics will simply stop, after all, supplying Zaporozhye through Kyiv is not convenient and dangerous. In December, we fired about 400-500 missiles in Ukraine, for me it’s better to choose 5 bridges, and all these 500 missiles run over these bridges. Some part will be shot down, some part will miss, but if 50 percent hit there, then the bridges will become unusable, they will repair ... send Geranium to strike at the repair team .... plus many small bridges several meters long, their you can demolish with one missile .... strikes can also be made with a dagger, a large kinetic force plus explosives, the X-22 generally has about a ton of explosives, the accuracy is not super, but you can send more than one missile, but several ..... Even missiles to Dnepropetrovsk They will get the gadfly .... There are a lot of options, it may not work, but they didn’t try it with us, a maximum of one hit with one caliber and then, they say, it’s worth it ... The Armed Forces of Ukraine hit the Antonov bridge once before he got tired ... The railway tunnel through which 60% of deliveries go to Ukraine is not touched at all, at least at the entrance to the tunnel itself you will bang with a dagger, in a week they will hoot, bang again, it’s expensive to beat with a dagger, duck war is an expensive thing, fuck it then and fight was .. Partisans in the Second World War arranged a rail warrior, they blew up the rails, the Germans were repairing, the next day they blew up the rails again ... the red army didn’t keep fools then, they knew what they were doing .... so why not hit the rails with geraniums, geraniums are cheap, subdue the rails in one place, at night again 10 km crash again....
But all this must be done in activation at the front, this will give sense, dissipate reserves and resources. And so it will make no sense to bomb everything and continue to sit on the defensive .... well, you have to fight against air defense

[Negro]

Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy

5 bridges, and all these 500 missiles were launched over these bridges. Some part will be shot down, some part will miss, but if 50 percent hit there, then the bridges will become unusable,

Yes, following the example of the bridge to Romania, these are realistic estimates of missile consumption. However, Caliber is needed for this, the rest do not hit very well.

Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy

they will repair ... send Geranium to strike at the repair team

The geraniums won't do anything if they aren't sent in by the hundreds. The same Cheetahs shoot down without question.

Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy

The Kh-22 generally has about a ton of explosives, the accuracy is not super, but you can send not one missile, but several ...

At least everything. None of them will hit the bridge.

Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy

railway tunnel through which 60% of supplies go to Ukraine,

Where did this mythical tunnel come from? From Strelkov's reports?

Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy

so why not hit the rails with geraniums, geraniums are cheap,

They don't hit the rails.

Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy

the red army did not keep fools then, they knew what they were doing ....

Uh-uh. There may be discussion about this.

Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy

Duck war is an expensive thing, fuck it then, and it was to fight ..

)))

[Vasily Lugovskoy]

Geranium strikes at pre-set coordinates, the accuracy already depends on the GLONASS accuracy itself, plus or minus 10 meters, it will hit the rails, plus there is 50 kg of explosives .... x-22 is actually not so oblique, the latest modifications showed not bad accuracy , all the same, they were made to destroy ships .... except for the caliber on bridges, there is also Iskander, the rocket air surface Gadfly (from Bakhmut to Dnepropetrovsk 250 km in a straight line) The dagger is the same ... Iran has half a year, but something to take can .. .

[Negro]

Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy

plus or minus 10 meters, it will hit the rails, plus there is 50 kg of explosives.

152 cm distance between the rails, EMNIP. So it's not very certain that it will.

Quote: Vasily Lugovskoy

in addition to the caliber on bridges, there is also Iskander, the air-to-surface rocket Gadfly (from Bakhmut to Dnepropetrovsk 250 km in a straight line) That dagger

What do you think, how much of all this goodness is there? By the way, well, that's enough for one time, but what will you do in a week?

[alexoff]

If American missiles are launched from beeches, then nothing fundamentally will change. 250 installations of S300 Patriots are also not so easy to replace

[donavi49]

In addition, the German air defense system

Well looms 3 air defense / missile defense batteries
1 PAC-3 from Biden and 1 PAC-3 from Scholz.
1 Sump-T pooled Italy-France.

From heavy air defense / missile defense, that's all.

For 100%:
Another Iris-T battery of the Egyptian contract is coming soon or already (they promised before the end of the year, but there was no news about the transfer).
Two more NASAMS batteries (to the 4 delivered) until spring.

Questionable:
Continued supply of Crotals. NG has already been halved from France.
Hoki PIP3 and above - their number and rhythm of deliveries.
Greek S-300s - there the country's Ministry of Defense voiced a Wishlist (an American air defense umbrella), but so far there has not been a particularly public movement.

[alexoff]

And this is instead of 250 C300 installations and 80 beech installations, which are actually the same years of development and not too bad

[donavi49]

And what will happen to the S-300? There will be enough rotten rockets for another year, or even two. Yes, they will fall anywhere, breaking houses in cities (but in the context, this is even a plus, you can do it in a pity and knock out more help) instead of self-destructing. Yes, they will explode with or without reason. But many thanks to the USSR. Also, new complexes remove the load from the S-300, which will spend missiles more slowly.

[alexoff]

But apparently everyone shot a thousand eagles and cruise missiles, in the same place they sent 4 missiles for each missile. Still, these were not the simplest missiles, so that hundreds of thousands of them were stamped. In addition, in 2017-18, someone was able to blow up almost all Ukrainian large weapons depots, which is why, for example, we did not see Tunguskas in battles. After all, all the ammunition for them burned down even then. Probably the missiles for air defense were thinned out

[Negro]

Quote: donavi49

There will be enough rotten rockets for another year, or even two. Yes, they will fall anywhere, breaking houses in cities (but in the context, this is even a plus, you can do it in a pity and knock out more help) instead of self-destructing. Yes, they will explode with or without reason. But many thanks to the USSR.

In the Russian Federation, yes, but in Ukraine, the situation is not very clear. Maybe they end.

[Vasily Lugovskoy]

There are no 80 beeches, here on this site when discussing the air defense of Ukraine in October they said that, according to Western estimates, more than 50 percent of the beeches were destroyed or damaged. I don’t know about the S-300, but some part was also destroyed and obviously not small .. but we need to work closely on air defense.

[alexoff]

Yes, it is clear that not only all installations survived the NWO, there were many videos where their number decreased. But in order to roll back to January 2022, in terms of the number of launchers, it will be necessary to leave some continent without air defense. If we didn’t have such associates at the top, I would check these very bare places with drones that accidentally flew in, after drawing a yellow-black flag and Bandera on them

[Vasily Lugovskoy]

In 10 months, it was possible to improve air defense even more, if over the whole country, then at least in parts, primarily over the left side of the Dnieper, with the subsequent destruction (damage) of bridges, all of them are not needed, those that near Kyiv can not be touched, everything is exactly the logistics will collapse through Kyiv to supply Avdiivka tighter .... they are afraid of losing planes, we are losing even more planes and soldiers in such a passive war

[alexoff]

I think the partners have drawn too many red lines there. I haven’t seen a single operation since March, so that just a few branches of the military, or at least a few units, act according to some plan in some direction. The march on Kyiv and the encirclement of Mariupol, that's all, then there were only regroupings. The rest - such and such a division is fighting in this area, if they are lucky they will occupy a couple of villages, if they are not lucky, they will retreat. No one knows what the neighbors have there, from the rear, at most, another division will come if it is too tight. I remember a dam was blown up near Kryvyi Rih, which washed away the crossings, and then it is logical to break up the group without supplies, pile on aircraft, throw in advance reinforcements and newer equipment, all sorts of lancets. But no, they didn’t do anything at all, missiles separately, the army separately

[Vasily Lugovskoy]

Azerbaijan generally opened the air defense of Armenians, massively launching unmanned AN-2, a large target ... the air defense shot down, Azerbaijan already opened the air defense with drones,

[Negro]

Quote: Vyacheslav57

upgraded Sea Sparrow RIM-7P in combination with Patriot air defense systems will create an air defense system in depth

Well, RIM-162 is some kind of exotic, it’s not clear what the Americans did. But the Patriot, Nasams, Iris and Hawk are already connected with each other and, accordingly, can be in layered air defense. Moreover, NASAMS is its own layered air defense, there are four different types of missiles.

[setter]

The Ukrainian side said that it was able to launch American anti-aircraft missiles using Buk launchers

Here everything will happen according to the established scheme. Local "specialists" like Ryabov will tell you that this is a worthless fuss from the point of view of efficiency in order to fuse all junk to Ukraine and there is no reason to worry about this. Then another surprise will follow, why the glorious "analogous" Aerospace Forces did not gain dominance in the airspace of Ukraine.

[alexoff]

So if you don’t check whether you can fly, then where will the dominance come from? The Aerospace Forces only fight in the interests of the SV at the front, then everything is shrouded in red lines there, nothing reaches the well-known airfields of the front-line forces for half a year, although there moments in the open air are only a couple of hundred kilometers from the border.

[rocket757]

The Ukrainian side said that it was able to launch American anti-aircraft missiles using Buk launchers

. They left the chassis, the cab, and the rest is just to change ...
You can combine it, the start button, for example ... how it will work is the question.
Purely from practice ... to cross a hedgehog with a snake, a chimera turns out, with such cockroaches in the "brains" that oh no.

[IvanR]

Apparently, a serious shortage of missiles for BUKs is already coming or has come, they are looking for something to replace them with, oddly enough, the West has no analogue of the BUK in principle.

[Alex242]

Quote: Serge9901

Are there specials? It's real? I read somewhere - systems are incompatible.

since they boast so specifically, it means they have already learned how to combine, in our age, everything is possible ...

[Private SA]

Quote: rocket757

cross a hedgehog with a snake, a chimera turns out,

According to the Soviet army joke, you get a meter of barbed wire.
If you cross cockroaches with fireflies, you get apartment lighting
in Western Europe in the context of rising energy prices and
electricity .

[Stepan S]

Be that as it may, they lie or come up with, but the missiles will be delivered and they will start, and what difference does it make to us how this will happen. Everything is spiraling upwards, the escalation of the conflict is growing. The capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are gradually increasing despite the fact that everywhere they write that help is running out. Decreases vigilance.

[PPD]

There are no missiles themselves yet, but they can already launch from the Buk ..
Yes, and it’s not very clear what it’s about - an air defense system is not only a rocket.
There's a lot more there. And how to match the Buk with the new rocket? Tape on the knee? this is at least a serious modernization, if not the development of a new complex.
Or are we talking about the fact that the launchers were screwed to the Buk?

[voyaka uh]

I think they made new guides.
And they combined the radar + SLA with American missiles.
Or (rather) the Americans will separately supply radars.

[Comet]

The Ukrainian side claims that they can now launch American anti-aircraft missiles using Buk air defense systems.

And "now they can" induce? Strange statement of the Ukrainian side. The rocket must not only be launched, but it must also be aimed at the target after launch.

[Fangaro]

The Ukrainian side claims that they can now launch American anti-aircraft missiles with the help of Buk air defense systems - after these complexes have been finalized, many of which remained until recently in storage or were even decommissioned.

And in Russia it was not known?
BUK is not an advanced military-industrial complex conveyor. There is also a solution for the accelerated decommissioning of Ukrainian systems. Is there?

[Fangaro]

When I read about modern command and control systems in the troops, I remember billboards in the city...
Let me hear what's on 3525 +/-...
But nothing. Range clogged at +30
Does it only happen to amateurs? Does the level of interference not affect equipment in the troops? Or does VSSUU have everything through satellites, with a narrow beam, highly directional, noise-free?

[Sergey39]

Sea sparrow, instead of beeches! It is very interesting how this symbiosis will look!

[Fangaro]

A few years ago, at VO, one of the authors of the news (I don’t remember where) suggested using the railway to launch missiles.
Simplified, as I recall...
The railway train with open platforms uses places with a rise in movement in the direction of Donetsk. Upon reaching the maximum angle of elevation of the train (again, I don’t remember, rocket or artillery), the installations open fire on the separatists. So it was proposed to increase the range of destruction using simple means.
Now about the same will be with the use of American missiles?

[Egeny]

Armed Forces of Ukraine got the opportunity to launch American anti-aircraft missiles using Buk launchers

Why not from a slingshot?

[Egeny]

Quote from Fangaro

increase the range of destruction using simple means.

But something went wrong with them. Maybe ours needs to adjust the "Barguzin"?

[Sergey39]

No, such a complex! And he belonged to the nuclear triad! Intercontinental missiles!!! Why should we make Ukraine a nuclear desert! This is the fate of the EU and the USA!)))

[iouris]

Sea missiles are much more expensive than land ones. Disposal of obsolete weapons and ammunition has entered a qualitatively new phase. Apparently they are being replaced by more advanced systems. So in a year (how long will it or should it last?) the States will rearm all the "allies", undress them and throw them into a psychic attack. All the rest.

[Sergey39]

Well, Sea Sparrow was set, but what is the targeting system ???

[Comet]

Quote: Sergey39

Well, Sea Sparrow was set, but what is the targeting system ???

Sea-Sparrow - semi-active radar with target acquisition before launch.

[alexey_444]

Maybe they just hide the supply of beech missiles from other countries so that we don’t stop servicing them. Parasites are doing everything so that we do not meet with modern Western systems and do not develop a method of struggle.

[Alex242]

The Ukrainian side claims that they can now launch American anti-aircraft missiles with the help of Buk air defense systems - after these complexes have been finalized, many of which remained until recently in storage or were even decommissioned.

well, well, let's see what this collective farm will get "crazy" hands ...