Russian military experts spoke about the response to the entry of Sweden and Finland into NATO

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Russian military experts spoke about the response to the entry of Sweden and Finland into NATO

If Sweden and Finland join the North Atlantic Alliance, Russia will be forced to react to this event and take retaliatory measures. This was reported in the publication of the magazine for military leaders "Military Thought", published by the Ministry of Defense.

In the material "Modern Challenges to the Military Security of the Russian Federation in the Arctic", which was written by Lieutenant General A.V. Morozov, captains 1st rank A.A. Zubarev and A.D. Khryapov, talks about Russia's possible response to the increase in the North Atlantic Alliance at the expense of these northern countries.



The forthcoming accession of Sweden and Finland to NATO should be regarded as a very serious military-political challenge for the Russian Federation, write the authors of the publication. The fact is that if these countries join the alliance, the border with NATO will increase by more than a thousand kilometers.

On the territory of these countries, by analogy with Norway, formations of the Allied Forces of NATO can be placed on a temporary or permanent basis and a system of advance storage of weapons and military equipment, materiel can be deployed.

- write the authors of the material in the journal "Military Thought".

The possible deployment of operational-tactical missile systems of NATO forces in Finland will also mean the prospect of strikes against military and industrial facilities in the Arkhangelsk region. Naturally, the Russian Federation cannot fail to respond to such challenges and risks.

First of all, the Russian Federation will need to increase the composition of ground and coastal troops in the northern direction. Rocket troops and artillery, air defense, aviation. In addition, the armed forces will be engaged in planning strikes with high-precision weapons long-range targets in the territories of Sweden and Finland in the event of a potential conflict.
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  1. +6
    3 December 2022 09: 46
    Or you can just warn that dates with all sorts of reads by the Swedes will burn to cross the border, and it won’t take long to bury the Iskanders from special warheads. It will be cheaper and easier than catching up a bunch of people and equipment.
    1. 0
      3 December 2022 10: 08
      Quote: evgen1221
      Or you can just warn that dates with all sorts of reads by the Swedes will burn to cross the border, and it won’t take long to bury the Iskanders from special warheads. It will be cheaper and easier than catching up a bunch of people and equipment.

      Yes, something will happen, and additional missiles will be aimed at these targets for the first strike, etc. With any threat to Russia from NATO, these countries will be destroyed first of all, like Poland, the Balts and then on the rise. And then we will deal with those who are overseas ..
      And the Finns, these are the Finns ..)
      1. +12
        3 December 2022 10: 22
        Quote from godzila
        And then we will deal with those who are overseas ..

        No, in the event of a war with NATO, first of all, it is necessary to deal with those who made the mess - the USA and England. If they are absent (eliminated) in the conflict, everyone else will raise their hands.
        1. -3
          3 December 2022 11: 00
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Quote from godzila
          And then we will deal with those who are overseas ..

          No, in the event of a war with NATO, first of all, it is necessary to deal with those who made the mess - the USA and England. If they are absent (eliminated) in the conflict, everyone else will raise their hands.

          Well, how can I say .. The strikes will begin precisely with the border NATO with Russia .. And then!
          Well, they have a thin gut against the Russians soldier
          1. +3
            3 December 2022 15: 56
            By the way, about the entry of the Swedes into NATO.
            For a long time they hesitated whether or not to betray the Kurds who trusted them. And yet decided - to betray.
            Today the first Kurd was handed over to the Turks. So far, they have chosen a Kurd who was in Sweden illegally (he was not given the right to be there)
            https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5705783?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
            1. +1
              3 December 2022 20: 31
              Quote: Shurik70
              By the way, about the entry of the Swedes into NATO.
              For a long time they hesitated whether or not to betray the Kurds who trusted them. And yet decided - to betray.
              But who doubted it? This is the corporate identity of the hegemon and its satellites! smile
            2. +3
              4 December 2022 09: 09
              Quote: Shurik70
              Today the first Kurd was handed over to the Turks. So far, they have chosen a Kurd who was in Sweden illegally

              Oh, the Kurds are naive fanatics .. After all, they were offered autonomy in Syria and help .. Just support Russia and Assad .. They didn’t believe it! So they are handing them over and drenching now Erdogan has generally dispersed in Syria
    2. +3
      3 December 2022 10: 17
      Quote: evgen1221
      Or you can just warn that dates with all sorts of reads by the Swedes will burn to cross the border, and it won’t take long to bury the Iskanders from special warheads. It will be cheaper and easier than catching up a bunch of people and equipment.

      The Chernobyl nuclear power plant exploded on the outskirts, and the contaminated territories were in Belarus. Why do we, in which case, need contaminated territories in the Leningrad, Murmansk, Arkhangelsk regions? Have you thought about it? They will throw vigorous bombs-rockets only if there is a threat of our destruction.
      1. 0
        3 December 2022 11: 10
        hydrogen bombs are environmentally friendly
      2. +5
        3 December 2022 11: 53
        In fairness, there was no nuclear explosion at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. Getting a nuclear explosion at a nuclear power plant is not realistic at all, there the degree of uranium enrichment is too low for this and there is no compressive mechanism. There was the penetration of water into the core and the most powerful release of superheated steam with the complete destruction of the core of the reactor and fuel elements. And that's it steam cloud rose into the air and just like a cloud and flew very far, slowly cooling and throwing out radioactive "fallout". For understanding, more than 130 nuclear explosions were carried out on Novaya Zemlya. The level of radiation there, according to the Ministry of Defense, is within the normal range. And radioactive cesium contamination in the most "dirty" areas, according to the All-Russian Scientific Research Geological Institute (VSEGEI) and VNIIOkeangeologiya, is a little more than 2016 Ci per square meter in 0,5. km (a level of at least 1 Ci per sq. km is considered dangerous)
        1. +1
          3 December 2022 18: 33
          Totally agree: Sorry, I'm not smart enough to write a normal comment
        2. -2
          5 December 2022 02: 18
          There was a nuclear explosion at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. Local nuclear explosion.
          More precisely, there were 2 explosions.
          The first chemical burst when steam and explosive gas formed from water and zirconium.
          And the second was already quasi-nuclear.
          It turned the reactor vessel around and happened not in the mine, but in the room of the reactor space where the core was squeezed out by the first steam explosion.

          When everything melted, a critical mass of plutonium accumulated, which had accumulated in the reactor over several years of operation.
          It was he who caused the second nuclear explosion and not uranium with low enrichment.
          1. 0
            8 December 2022 01: 33
            Quote: Osipov9391
            When everything melted, a critical mass of plutonium accumulated, which had accumulated in the reactor over several years of operation.


            Uh... critical mass of what? Plutonium? But can you tell me how, even in the melt, plutonium was suddenly compressed? For the explosion in Malysh, two powder charges were used. And what compresses plutonium at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant? Let me remind you that the first explosion knocked out the moderator rods, and the second completely destroyed the reactor core, completely scattered the fuel rods and tore off the reactor plate. From that moment on, nothing could even theoretically compress hypothetical plutonium to a state close to critical mass. 2 seconds elapsed between explosions. There were no other explosions, both of them were the result of the action of a vapor-gas mixture.

            In practice, the plutonium that is produced in nuclear power plant reactors is so heavily contaminated with impurities that almost any amount of it is explosion-proof. For a full-fledged explosion, plutonium must be chemically pure.

            This version, about the explosion of plutonium, has been dragging on since the very end of the 90s and has been repeatedly refuted by nuclear physicists.
  2. +1
    3 December 2022 10: 06
    You might think that before that, the Finns and Swedes were dofiga neutral - NATO also licked its heels
    1. +1
      3 December 2022 10: 09
      yes, in general, a formality, it's about the details and nuances
  3. 0
    3 December 2022 10: 11
    If Sweden and Finland join the North Atlantic Alliance, Russia will be forced to respond to this event and take retaliatory measures
    The Swedes lived quietly with the Finns, Russia did not threaten them - and they knew it and know it. But they crawled into the camp of Russia's enemies - now their safety will be in question. It is clear that they were urged to join NATO, but somehow one must think not only about "European solidarity", but also about one's own country.
    1. 0
      3 December 2022 10: 37
      We need to think more about Russia's security. The entry of Finland and Sweden into NATO is our failure. The border states of the United States do not enter into a military alliance with Russia.
    2. -5
      3 December 2022 11: 06
      "If Sweden and Finland join the North Atlantic Alliance, Russia will be forced to respond to this event and take retaliatory measures"
      /////////////////////
      What measures? Show a fig in your pocket again? ...
      Russia has a strategic head start, I believe now, for several years ... Now the West is rapidly starting to accelerate its military-technical production and it will, at least, equalize it due to its advantage on an industrial scale. I think, and so many people think, that we should finally respond really hard, like in the Caribbean crisis. How many "red lines" has the NATO bloc already crossed?... To announce, for example, that if NATO nuclear weapons appear on the territory of Finland or Sweden, they will be destroyed, regardless of the fact that these countries are in an alliance with NATO!... Of course they will yell that this will mean the beginning of a nuclear clash. Yes it is possible. But failure to comply with our demands only worsens the defensive positions of Russia. As long as Russia has a head start, it must be used to the fullest.
      1. -3
        3 December 2022 11: 31
        Quote: Edvid
        Russia has a strategic head start

        Can't specify what kind of handicap you are talking about?
        Now, when Russia is stuck tightly in the Ukrainian steppes? When does Russia spend huge financial resources on a daily basis (and this against the backdrop of unprecedented international sanctions in world history) on NWO?
        When Russia daily depletes in huge quantities of ammunition for barrel artillery, MLRS and OTRK, as well as air-launched missiles?
        Where can you see her, this handicap? How to touch her?
        "Poseidons", "Daggers" and other prodigies, please do not mention (something in Ukrainian realities they do not really affect the front line). As well as nuclear weapons with tactical nuclear weapons, these are arguments for preschoolers.
  4. -1
    3 December 2022 10: 13
    In addition, the armed forces will plan to carry out strikes with long-range precision weapons against targets in the territories of Sweden and Finland in the event of a possible conflict.
    Well, it seems to be self-evident from the upcoming events.
  5. +5
    3 December 2022 10: 14
    The feeling that everyone understands the inevitability of war, but to the last they delay the first shot, testing each other "weakly."
  6. 0
    3 December 2022 10: 15
    They only openly declared what was already known. Since the 90s, these countries have been preparing for NATO. Their governments are puppets. Pawns on the board. They are ready to sacrifice both people and territories. They don't care.
  7. +6
    3 December 2022 10: 27
    Russian military experts spoke about the response to the entry of Sweden and Finland into NATO

    The title is so amazing!!!
    Experts spoke about the plans of the RF Armed Forces.

    Experts, or rather the author of the news, divulged what is under the heading?
    Or wrote about something that everyone understands anyway?
    Rating, rating, rating...
    The race for the number of publications, and not for the result of the publication.
    Only in History and Armament there are articles that can, should and are interesting to read.
  8. -1
    3 December 2022 10: 46
    No Iskander and other tactics, only our armed forces and fleet in full package closer to Mexico Cuba Venezuela and so on, only this will make them afraid and retreat forever
    1. -1
      4 December 2022 18: 15
      We already threw Cuba at one time, promising protection and leaving those in the 90s ...
  9. -6
    3 December 2022 10: 57
    Drawing Finland and Sweden into NATO with the subsequent deployment of weapons on their territory, in addition to creating additional threats to Russia, also entails the desire of the Americans to deeply involve our country in an arms race in order to additionally hit the economy. The Americans are accustomed to working according to old and proven patterns, so they believe that Russia can be forced to overstrain. But we have already gone through this, so I am sure we will not repeat the mistakes. At one time, the president said that the United States would not be able to drag us into an arms race, we would respond with low costs and the latest weapons.
    1. +2
      3 December 2022 11: 15
      It doesn't work like that. The United States is unleashing controlled terrorists on us, supplying them with weapons of ever-increasing destructive power. And Russia is dying. The point of no return is relatively close to us.
    2. -2
      3 December 2022 11: 34
      Quote: rotmistr60
      At one time, the president said that the United States would not be able to draw us into an arms race, we would respond at low cost

      Is that why all enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Russia today are forced to work around the clock or in three shifts?
      Is the Russian economy urgently being rebuilt on a war footing?
  10. -2
    3 December 2022 11: 05
    Quote: rotmistr60
    Drawing Finland and Sweden into NATO with the subsequent deployment of weapons on their territory, in addition to creating additional threats to Russia, also entails the desire of the Americans to deeply involve our country in an arms race in order to additionally hit the economy. The Americans are accustomed to working according to old and proven patterns, so they believe that Russia can be forced to overstrain. But we have already gone through this, so I am sure we will not repeat the mistakes. At one time, the president said that the United States would not be able to drag us into an arms race, we would respond with low costs and the latest weapons.

    Why is getting involved in an arms race bad? This is constantly taldychut and I can not understand it. This is good. The United States itself is engaged in it by investing trillions in the military and that is why they became the first economy in the world. It turns out that the Americans themselves are pushing this myth in order to develop themselves, while others have degraded
    1. -1
      3 December 2022 11: 13
      Americans still have a system of skimming the cream off the entire planet, for example, through dollar inflation they passively earn 3 trillion a year, which exceeds the cost of their race. Nobody else dreamed of it. And in terms of dynamics - we all inevitably lose. The only chance is to combine military potential with China, but the Chinese will not agree to this - they have a very naive understanding of the world.
  11. -6
    3 December 2022 11: 10
    Russia cannot resist Scandinavia and Sweden in NATO. These are huge areas. When they are saturated with tactical and operational missiles, they do whatever they want with our north.
    We do not have the economic ability to resist them.
    Nuclear weapons should be brandished before their "introduction", which actually happened a long time ago.
    1. -1
      5 December 2022 02: 23
      I don’t understand why NATO should deploy tactical missiles there when there are a lot of strategic submarines whose patrol areas affect the Norwegian and North Seas?
      1. 0
        5 December 2022 03: 21
        We will be perfectly dismantled as tactical ones, who need more than can fit on submarines.
  12. +1
    3 December 2022 11: 16
    Nikdy jsem si nepomyslel, že svět se nepoučil z následků 2. světové války. Tady Finsko a hlavně Švédsko vlastně pomáhali Německým fašistům a zase stojí na "správné" straně!
    1. -1
      3 December 2022 11: 29
      The Swedes were especially enriched by 2 MB. But the reserves are running out, you have to climb into the NATO collar. And suddenly it will take you like 70 years ago.
  13. -1
    3 December 2022 11: 35
    Quote: pyagomail.ru
    The Swedes lived quietly with the Finns, Russia did not threaten them - and they knew it and know it.

    About Finns. They did not live very calmly. Generations of genetic hatred accumulated. And the "Winter War" and the Karelian Isthmus with the border moving away from Leningrad. It was just very profitable. Giant amounts of money for logistics through the ports of Helsinki, Kotka. Huge truck traffic across the border, half of Finland's cottages bought up by Russians. And then, from the beginning, covid, and then a Ukrainian. Trade fell, terminals and highways were empty, border supermarkets were closed. Finnish companies left Russia. The Nokian plant near Vsevolozhsk, now closed, made 60 percent of the company's tire output. And 80 percent of the issue was sent to Europe. For export.
    The income level of the population has fallen. We must urgently look for the enemy. And unite in the fight for it!
    1. 0
      5 December 2022 01: 07
      The USSR offered the Finns to exchange territories, the Finns refused.
      As a result of the "winter war", the border from Leningrad was still pushed back, only the Finns still received nothing in return. Pushing the border away from Leningrad did not allow the Germans to take the city from a raid, in the very first days of the war.
  14. -1
    3 December 2022 13: 03
    Sweden and Finland have long been in NATO, and NATO in the USSR.
    This NATO deserved capital punishment. We are not behind the price.
  15. 0
    3 December 2022 18: 11
    Quote: dmitriy_2
    hydrogen bombs are environmentally friendly

    The use of a hydrogen bomb will lead to immediate radioactive contamination of the territory within a radius of about 100 km from the epicenter of the explosion. In the event of a superbomb explosion, an area of ​​tens of thousands of square kilometers will be contaminated. Such a huge area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbdestruction with a single bomb makes it a completely new type of weapon. Source:
    https://www.krugosvet.ru/enc/nauka_i_tehnika/voennaya_tehnika/VODORODNAYA_BOMBA.html

    How is a hydrogen bomb different from an atomic bomb?
    https://aif.ru/dontknows/file/chem_vodorodnaya_bomba_otlichaetsya_ot_atomnoy
  16. -2
    3 December 2022 18: 17
    Quote: abc_alex
    In fairness, there was no nuclear explosion at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant ... There was water penetration into the core and a powerful release of superheated steam with complete destruction of the reactor core and fuel elements. And that's it steam cloud rose into the air and just like a cloud and flew very far, slowly cooling and throwing out radioactive "fallout".

    But why then - all reactors are cooled with water??? After all, if there is nothing to evaporate, then there will be no infection.
    1. 0
      5 December 2022 01: 09
      The water in the primary circuit is radioactive. But the second circuit is already safe.
  17. -3
    3 December 2022 18: 28
    Quote from: skeptick2
    Quote: Edvid
    Russia has a strategic head start

    Can't specify what kind of handicap you are talking about?
    Now, when Russia is stuck tightly in the Ukrainian steppes?

    I think the handicap is as follows:
    1) we are waiting for the end of the CBO.
    2) the territory of Russia is increasing.
    3) the population of Russia is increasing.
    4) the Russian economy is growing.
    5) as a result, the Russian army will also increase compared to the old one.

    As for the Finns and Swedes, they were hostile to us before, so formally they remained so.
    1. +1
      5 December 2022 01: 10
      There are more black soil fields, and Russia becomes the world leader in grain exports. The world does not live on oil and gas alone, it still needs to eat something ...
  18. -1
    3 December 2022 18: 41
    Quote: Ratibor_A
    Why is getting involved in an arms race bad? This is constantly taldychut and I can not understand it. This is good. The United States itself is engaged in it by investing trillions in the military and that is why they became the first economy in the world.

    The difference is that the United States will supply weapons to others (cashing in on this), and we will supply them to ourselves:
    without receiving income from this, but only expenses.

    Let me remind you that one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR was the arms race. Instead of developing the economy, we spent a lot of money on weapons, many of which were then simply thrown away or lost (and even they are now fighting against us).

    Another point:
    with any instability in the world, everyone transferred money into dollars, which raised the US economy. Therefore, any instability is beneficial to them.
    In our country, on the contrary, it pumped money out of the economy.
    1. 0
      4 December 2022 02: 24
      Quote: VladimirNET
      Quote: Ratibor_A
      Why is getting involved in an arms race bad? This is constantly taldychut and I can not understand it. This is good. The United States itself is engaged in it by investing trillions in the military and that is why they became the first economy in the world.

      The difference is that the United States will supply weapons to others (cashing in on this), and we will supply them to ourselves:
      without receiving income from this, but only expenses.

      Let me remind you that one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR was the arms race. Instead of developing the economy, we spent a lot of money on weapons, many of which were then simply thrown away or lost (and even they are now fighting against us).

      Another point:
      with any instability in the world, everyone transferred money into dollars, which raised the US economy. Therefore, any instability is beneficial to them.
      In our country, on the contrary, it pumped money out of the economy.


      "Arms race". the readiness of the country to defend itself from external aggression has nothing to do with changing the socio-political system on the territory of the USSR. It's just that the decomposed partocrats, merged with crime and hucksters, wanted to seize the people's, socialist property. Having power, they had every opportunity for this. There was no objective economic crisis in the USSR. There was sabotage and incitement of anti-Soviet, bourgeois sentiments in society and a rupture of inter-industry ties, coupled with the creation of an artificial deficit of WBCs. To stir up discontent and rebellion. Carried out from above, by the "leadership of the country" itself, it naturally succeeded. The layman is not able to resist the system
      1. 0
        4 December 2022 12: 42
        An excellent comment, I’ll add the Russian Federation supplies weapons no less geographically than the USSR. Only the USSR "took" at least loyalty for this, and the Russian Federation "purely" money.
    2. 0
      5 December 2022 01: 21
      Quote: VladimirNET
      ...
      Let me remind you that one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR was the arms race. Instead of developing the economy, we spent a lot of money on weapons, much of which was then simply thrown away or lost (and even it is now fighting against us) ....

      I do not agree. The main reason for the collapse of the USSR is the liberals in power, to whom the United States promised assistance in the collapse of the economy, and their formation as oligarchs. Leave a few factories as the property of your children so that they do not need anything! The dream of every liberal! And then programmed chaos, shortages, queues for everything, it was possible to destroy the planned economy of the USSR only according to a specially drawn up plan.
  19. -3
    3 December 2022 21: 04
    We are reaping the "fruits" of the strategic mistakes of the former leaders of Russia ... In order: Emperor Peter I "stopped" at the victory, over the Swedes, near Poltava, and did not go further, to Sweden, as his military leaders suggested, showing respect for the vanquished and chivalrous tact. Lenin V.I., In 1918, he gave sovereignty and independence to the Principality of Finland .... And if the leaders had shown strategic wisdom and far-sightedness, Russia would not have problems with the northern territories, but would have the Swedish Federal District and the Finnish Federal District as part of Russia ... Something like this.....
    1. 0
      4 December 2022 02: 36
      Endless guerrilla warfare, in these territories, they would have. In the likeness of how it happened in Poland, which is very formally a part of the Republic of Ingushetia. Cut out the "foreign" indigenous population under the root "we" do not know how. Yours, whatever.
      What are you only presenting to Peter, but to Lenin? It’s possible for Stalin too. He had the opportunity to leave some memories from the geyropa even more. wassat
      1. +1
        4 December 2022 11: 41
        Non-Slavic "partisanism" is well, quickly and without relapses "treated" with a noose and a bullet (tame Finland until 1918 is a good example of this) ... And the Kingdom of Poland as part of Russia (since 1815) created problems for the Empire, but not fatal ones, with which the Russian military expeditionary force and the local police department successfully managed under the supervision of the Secret Chancellery of the Empire ....
        1. +1
          4 December 2022 14: 06
          For the USSR, such a practice was not acceptable, ideologically. That's why it wasn't used. Even the bulk of the Bandera people were spared, which is echoing today. And yet Russophobia and hatred is not treated with anything. To have such an education, a state, and even so tolerant of its neighbors, its composition, is a very serious problem. Do you know what will happen when another teip comes to power in Chechnya?
    2. 0
      5 December 2022 01: 25
      Ukraine had to be given over to the Germans for occupation, because there was no economy, what else was Sweden and Finland??? The Turks took away the city of Kars from Armenia, with the region, and it remained so, Khrushchev only signed the documents when he became Secretary General, that the USSR has no more claims ... Do you still want to fight a civil war with the Finns? When the time came, then they fought.
  20. 0
    4 December 2022 12: 38
    It’s strange, but the President of the Russian Federation said that we don’t care about the entry of Sweden and Finland into NATO. So, what was reported wrong again? We found out that the threat is real and material and we will have to react.
  21. 0
    4 December 2022 17: 40
    Quote: Essex62
    "Arms race". the readiness of the country to defend itself from external aggression has nothing to do with changing the socio-political system on the territory of the USSR.

    Nobody argues that Russia needs weapons.
    The only question is the sufficiency of such expenses, and not an extreme case.
    If the rest (except the military) - the economy is weak, we simply CANNOT resist external enemies.
    An example: the security of Russia with its own food, which now excludes hunger in the country. Oil and gas supplies (developed over the years) are also important, and so on.

    Quote: Essex62
    It's just that the decomposed partocrats, merged with crime and hucksters, wanted to seize the people's, socialist property. There was sabotage...

    You are right that the MAIN reason for the collapse of the USSR was betrayal, but there were also problems in the economy, this cannot be denied: I think the departure of the USSR from Europe was dictated precisely by the economy.
    1. +1
      5 December 2022 01: 33
      Quote: VladimirNET
      ...
      You are right that the MAIN reason for the collapse of the USSR was betrayal, but there were also problems in the economy, this cannot be denied: I think the departure of the USSR from Europe was dictated precisely by the economy.

      Where did the problems with the economy come from? Were they created by traitors? The planned economy of the USSR ground everything that was then NATO, launched a man into space, and then suddenly, out of nowhere, problems in the economy ... Khrushchev began to raise virgin soil, and threw his forces on it, Brezhnev continued this undertaking, as a result, the USSR began to buy wheat. And since the USSR also sold wheat to the same Cuba, why bring it from the USA to the USSR, and then back to Cuba. Immediately the Americans, under the American flag, brought grain to Cuba, and laughed that your socialism cannot feed itself.
      And gradually, step by step, one thing became a deficit, then another, then cards began to be introduced ... Skillful, competent leadership of the country, only now the goal was not communism at all.
  22. 0
    5 December 2022 09: 21
    Quote: Essex62
    Do you know what will happen when another teip comes to power in Chechnya?

    Nothing will happen, you probably didn't see how they celebrated Putin's birthdays. And the SVO showed that Chechnya is fighting on the side of Russia. As for the rest, the issue was resolved (including) with money, so no matter what "teip" came, there was no difference.
  23. 0
    5 December 2022 09: 48
    Quote: Bratkov Oleg
    Where did the problems with the economy come from? Were they created by traitors? The planned economy of the USSR crushed everything that was then NATO, launched a man into space, and then suddenly, out of nowhere, problems in the economy ...

    The card system in the USSR (due to a lack of products) was introduced in 1980-1990, and Gorbachev ruled 1985-1991.
    So "problems in the economy" - began even before him.

    Quote: Bratkov Oleg
    And gradually, step by step, one thing became a deficit, then another, then cards began to be introduced ... Skillful, competent leadership of the country, only now the goal was not communism at all.

    They ruined the economy of the USSR - unequivocally, both out of "ignorance" and "intentionally", in order to enrich themselves: how they completely ruined it (1991 - a monetary reform with the withdrawal of money from the population):
    https://smart-lab.ru/blog/688689.php
  24. 0
    5 December 2022 09: 59
    Quote: Mikhail Maslov
    Strange, but the President of the Russian Federation said that we don’t care about the entry of Sweden and Finland into NATO

    Until NATO reaches our border, a war with us is impossible, now they will not have this problem soon.

    As a result: we get a THREAT of a full-scale war, and this has ALREADY led to an increase in the supply of weapons to Ukraine:
    https://ria.ru/20221117/finlyandiya-1832200333.html

    In this regard, I have a question:
    from a military point of view, it would be beneficial for us now to declare war on Finland (population 5.55 million people), since:
    1) then it will not be accepted into NATO - for this reason.
    2) in the event that we absorb its territory, our border with it will move away (1271,8 km).

    Yes, it is possible - their population is hostile to us, but the choice of two options:
    1) war with one Finland.
    2) war with all NATO.
  25. 0
    5 December 2022 13: 44
    They wanted to "push" NATO TNWs away from our borders by conducting NMD ... As a result, they "received" a potential springboard for deploying NATO TNWs in Finland and Sweden ... The philosophers of antiquity are right - history develops in a spiral and is "inclined" to repeat, but, already, according to a more dramatic scenario .... Apparently, again, a "new" Poltava victory is needed, preferably on the territory of Sweden and the next annexation of the Principality of Finland to Russia .... However, in the current paradigm of the (capitalist) existence of Russia, desires and opportunities, its population , and especially the new "boyars" and the aligarkhat, to put everything and everyone on the altar of victory (as in 1612, 1709), in the struggle for their calm, secure borders, the return of respect worthy of Russia is hardly achievable in the foreseeable future .. .. So - how many clan-group interests, in this case, it will be necessary to overcome or, simply, neglect them, which is quite difficult and dangerous for reformers (reformers) ... The organization of the NWO - clearly shows that overall tactical and strategic plans Gen. The headquarters of the Russian Federation is "pressed" by the clan-group interest of the current "boyars" and the aligarchy of Russia (strange "gestures of goodwill" in the theater of operations, attempts at "strange negotiations", grain deals, gas "transit" through the "square" and attempts to organize an "ammonia pipe" to Odessa, still "alive" and, in general, not bad working, the railway, border crossings, a number of industrial enterprises - you can continue for a long time ....).... And all the upcoming events to strengthen the northwestern the borders of Russia, of course, and again at the expense of taxpayers with a detailed "explanation" that, once again, it is necessary to "roll another hole on the belt" (which supports the pants of the layman) ...