“I would have demoted Lapin to a private”: Kadyrov criticized the commander of the Krasnoliman direction

The head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, is notable for his straightforwardness in assessing the course of the special operation of the RF Armed Forces in Ukraine. The first critical remarks date back to the time of the withdrawal of Russian troops from the Kyiv and Chernigov directions, when he insisted on taking the independent capital.

As Kadyrov himself admits, he does not have a full understanding of the plans of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces. At the same time, he receives information about the state of affairs at the front from the commanders of units sent to the NVO zone from Chechnya, which gives him the opportunity to reasonably criticize the generals leading the special operation.

According to Kadyrov, the commander of the Central Military District, Colonel-General Alexander Lapin, who had previously been awarded the star of the Hero of Russia for the liberation of Lisichansk, was responsible for the defense of the Krasnolimansky sector:

De facto, he was not there and was not around.

Near Krasny Liman, Lapin entrusted the defense to mobilized soldiers from the LPR and other units [mainly fighters from the LARs], but he did not take care of supplying this group with communications equipment, ammunition, and interaction was not properly organized.

The fact that our fighters can become an easy target was personally reported to me by Major General Apty Alaudinov, commander of the Akhmat special forces.

Kadyrov says.

In this regard, he turned to the head of the General Staff, Valery Gerasimov, but he assured him that Lapin had a military talent and would not allow a retreat. A week later, Lapin moves his headquarters hundreds of kilometers from the front to Starobelsk, while he himself stays in Lugansk.

How can you quickly manage units, being 150 km away from them?

- asks Kadyrov.

According to him, the negligence committed in the supply and command of the troops caused the loss of territories around Krasny Liman and the city itself.

If I had my way, I would demote Lapin to a private, deprive him of his awards and, with a machine gun in his hands, send him to the front lines to wash away my shame with blood.

Dissatisfied with Kadyrov and "games" in a military operation. As he believes, it is necessary to use every opportunity to destroy enemy forces. For example, after the withdrawal of the RF Armed Forces from Izyum, a large grouping of enemy troops was concentrated there. Kadyrov insisted on inflicting an artillery strike on her, but he was not listened to. In his words, the enemy must be fought in any way possible, even with a low-power nuclear weapons.

Yesterday there was a parade in Izyum, today a flag in Liman, and what tomorrow? Everything would be fine if it weren't so bad

sums up the head of Chechnya.

Comments

[Mint Gingerbread]

Now Kadyrov has personally seen how the Russian army fought in the Chechen wars. So to speak, I saw from the inside and saw who, by whom and how the whole process is being conducted. Probably as a Chechen, he is very disappointed with what he sees. People are not afraid to fight, but betrayal or stupid commanders, which can lead to a waste of lives and efforts, very much so. That's why they run, not from battles, but from mediocrity.

[cold wind]

Quote: Mint Gingerbread

Now Kadyrov has personally seen how the Russian army fought in the Chechen wars.

So he personally fought in the first Chechen war against the Russian Federation, in the second Chechen war for the Russian Federation. He knows everything about these wars.

[Mint Gingerbread]

I do not argue, but then the age and position were different. Now all this is being done jointly, already as the head of the region, but the problems in the army are similar.

[citizen242]

A person makes a deal with his conscience if he knows that he can not cope or It's all the same
how would you react to a traumatologist who was offered by the Minister of Health to remove a brain tumor in the Central District Hospital, where there is nothing for this.

[neworange88]

Here are the quotes.

It's not a shame that Lapin is mediocre. And the fact that he is covered at the top by the leaders in the General Staff. If I had my way, I would demote Lapin to a private, deprive him of his awards and, with a machine gun in his hands, send him to the front lines to wash away his shame with blood. Army nepotism will not lead to good things. In the army it is necessary to appoint as commanders people of a strong character, courageous, principled, who worry about their fighters, who tear their teeth for their soldier, who know that a subordinate cannot be left without help and support. There is no place for nepotism in the army, especially in difficult times. We did not have enough raisins? Even then, I said: shoot at the enemy’s military concentration in the Izyum captured by the Nazis, especially since our artillery at that time had such an opportunity. They would have done away with the main Satanists and fascists at once. We must carry out NWO in the full sense of the word, and not flirt. Use every opportunity and every weapon to defend OUR territory.

it is necessary to take more drastic measures, up to the declaration of martial law in the border areas and the use of low-yield nuclear weapons.

https://rusvesna.su/news/1664633516

Here is the answer of the Brave.

All the conclusions of the emotional text of the head of Chechnya are based on incorrect information: General Lapin DID NOT COMMAND THE DEFENSE OF THE estuary and did not stay in the rear. the situation at the front is extremely erroneous. Alexander Lapin never sat in the rear. This can be confirmed by everyone who has ever encountered him. Be it Syria, be it Ukraine, where almost all the fighters of the “O” group know this. This is probably the only group commander who has been in the battle formations of his troops since the beginning of the operation. Therefore, the statement that Lapin was holed up in Lugansk is not true.

https://rusvesna.su/news/1664640684

[Alex777]

And here is Prigogine's answer:

“Kadyrov's expressive statement, of course, is not at all in my style. But I can say: "Ramzan, handsome, burn." All these thugs - with machine guns barefoot to the front.

[poquello]

Quote from: neworange88

Lapin DID NOT COMMAND THE FOUNDATION OF THE estuary

ok, who was in charge?

[frog]

Who will tell you? Defeat is always an orphan....

[Terenin]

Quote: frog

Who will tell you? Defeat is always an orphan....

Dmitry, that's right, they shouted, they were indignant (including me) ... but this is not a defeat, but a lesson, and you need to calm down.
The defense of Liman (with all the heroism of the defenders, which cannot and should not be denied) are battles of local importance.
The number of defenders, if I understand correctly, is about 500 people.
There were almost no dead among them, everyone retreated. There is no catastrophe (which you know who is starting to disperse again).
In any war, such settlements (albeit of an urban type) often change hands many times.
Of course, it is very insulting, but nothing more.
It doesn't change the overall picture.
Whoever raves "so we retreat to the Urals" - can put his head in the toilet, cool off with fresh water.
All the most important things happen in completely different places.
For example, Artyomovsk is much more important.

[frog]

Of course, thanks for the clarification. And about the "forester's house" in the course and about much more. But it's a bit off topic. When we screwed .... a little north, leaving quite a lot of GI. and at the same time throwing a certain part of the population who believed (let's hope)) to us - they also explained a lot of things there. And about literally profaned Khibina - too ....

It doesn't change the overall picture.

Et yes, and the picture is so-so. Mobikov all over the world for their collect. And they drive straight to the line ....
If you are at work, sorry, then I understand everything. No questions - work is sacred. If not.... I feel very sorry for you. But even more sorry for those who "got their own" without having anything to do with it. Those are the ones I really feel sorry for. But we have always been like that. And, unfortunately, there is ..... The question is whether it will be .....

[Terenin]

Quote: frog

If you are at work, sorry, then I understand everything. I feel sorry for you

Don't press on a tear, I'm retired.

Quote: frog

But even more sorry for those who "got their own" without having anything to do with it. These are the ones I really feel sorry for. But we have always been like that. And, unfortunately, there is ..... The question is whether it will be .....

Also say that this war was unleashed by Russia.

[frog]

Don't press on a tear, I'm retired

Did you try to understand what you read? Retirement does not seem to interfere with this ....

Also say that this war was unleashed by Russia.

But sho, there are no new instructions, no, do you get along with the old ones?
I stuttered somewhere about the guilt of the Russian Federation? You definitely need to go to school, learn to read. Although, in the current school .... Again, since a pensioner, they studied in the Union, here you have "the best in the world" .... Or do you have preferential treatment?)

[Terenin]

Quote: frog

Did you try to understand what you read?

It is difficult to understand Surzhik right away.

Quote: frog

Retirement does not seem to interfere with this ....

Live up to it first.

Quote: frog

But sho, there are no new instructions, no, do you get along with the old ones?

Тnot SHO. In Russia, everything is long and slow. It's you, in TsIPSO, the owner makes sure that everything works like clockwork. Otherwise, it will fizzle out. Because you are needed only as a tool to serve US interests.

Quote: frog

I stuttered somewhere about the guilt of the Russian Federation?

About - stuttered, they themselves said. And, about guilt ... - how do I know?

Quote: frog

here's the best in the world

I see that even Zelensky began to speak Russian more often. Well, I would stutter further on surzhik.

Quote: frog

Or do you have a discount?

[frog]

It's hard to understand Surzhik right away

Where did you see a surzhik there? Still with vision problems?

Live up to it first.

Et yes, the efforts of the "eternally explained" can not hold out. Unless, of course, the pyramid of guznolysis does not consist of a vertically oriented pyramid, then you can get a preferential one.

That neither SHO. In Russia, everything is long and slow. It's you, in TsIPSO, the owner makes sure that everything works like clockwork. Otherwise, it will fizzle out.

Hmmm..... Well, if only for a change, they would have written down as agents of the State Department, or something, into all-weapons, again, or has the brain ossified, except for cips, does not remember anything? I’m not even talking about taking the trouble to find out the identity of the opponent, you haven’t been at the factory since 1932, the main thing is that he doesn’t waver with the party line.

About - stuttered, they themselves said. And, about guilt ... - how do I know?

Apparently these are not your words

Also say that this war was unleashed by Russia

I see that even Zelensky began to speak Russian more often. Well, I would stutter further on surzhik.

In what language this unfinished clown chirps - I don't give a damn about it. I'm more concerned about our problems.

[Terenin]

Quote: frog

Hmmm ..... Well, at least for a change, they would write down the agents of the State Department, or something,

Quote: frog

It's hard to understand Surzhik right away
Where did you see a surzhik there? Still with vision problems?

Mdya ... damp for the time being for an agent of the State Department. They won't take when the candidate does not understand the difference between thinking and feeling (for example, seeing).

Quote: frog

Unless, of course, the pyramid of guznolysis does not consist of a vertically oriented pyramid, then you can get a preferential one.

Quote: frog

or the brain is numb

It’s not otherwise a practicing doctor-philosopher, and you know everything about someone else’s brain and about goose.
Or just really want to get nasty? So don't be shy, show your skills.

[frog]

They will not accept, but when the candidate does not understand the difference between thinking and feeling (for example, vision).

For starters, that garbage dump didn’t flatten me in any way.
As for the candidate, it’s also a failure, because you can’t understand what you read (here the mosk and eyes are needed). And then you demonstrate the snake in the pan

Not otherwise a practicing doctor-philosopher, and you know everything about someone else's brain and about

And not all and not about all. Yes, I'm learning a little.
As for rudeness - again bad luck, however, as usual. I'm not rude even to those who are worth it. And I respect the laws, but here this is no way
On the other hand, you, without thinking, wrote me down as a cissoshnik that there is slander)))) Well, may Allah be with you, all-merciful and merciful .....

[Terenin]

Oh, I started frog with you, with courtesy...

Quote: Terenin

Dimitri, you're right.

[frog]

Naturally. They very politely explained to me that Liman and Balaleya and everything else - so, local squabbles over the forester's house .....
And when it came to abandoned equipment, incl. ..... not very simple, about abandoned people and about some ....... features of partial mobilization, then they immediately stuffed me into the ever-memorable tsips .....
Not really freaking out....
You are our polite .......
"Dear sir, would you be so kind as to ascend the scaffold?"
And so, just in case, I repeat, albeit to no purpose.
I respect work. And I can understand, albeit without respect, some features of the worldview. Especially when others are paying for them. Holyava, she is so ...... But trying to impose her point of view when there is none .......

[Terenin]

Quote: frog

And so, just in case, I repeat, albeit to no purpose.
I respect work. And I can understand, albeit without respect, some features of the worldview.

frog (translation...) in a word... in the forester's house..

[Monarchist]

You can remember Kutuzov! Retreated to save the army! And then he won! Everything must be calculated with a cool head!

[Alex777]

Quote from Monarchist

You can remember Kutuzov!

If you remember Kutuzov, then you need to remember Barclay de Tolly.
As far as I remember, about 7 years before, he participated in the battle with the French, in which 20 soldiers were killed on both sides without any success.
He looked at this and drew up a plan to prepare for Napoleon's attack on Russia. He presented the plan to Alexander I. He got acquainted and appointed the general Minister. For 6 years he prepared everything necessary. But the retreat almost to Moscow so ruined Barclay's reputation in the army that the Emperor appointed Kutuzov as commander. who successfully brought the plan to fruition.

[Scipio]

Do you yourself believe that almost all 500 departed ???

[Alex777]

Quote: Scipio

Do you yourself believe that almost all 500 departed ???

They are already talking about 5000 who have departed.

[poquello]

Quote: Alex777

Quote: Scipio

Do you yourself believe that almost all 500 departed ???

They are already talking about 5000 who have departed.

dill said

[Alex777]

Poddubny |Z|О|V| edition
While the topic has gone political, I will return my subscribers to the situation on the LBS. Our group works in Kremennaya. We talked with the fighters and commanders, looked at the new reality. The front line is built around this large settlement. The enemy now has two possible directions for the development of success in our sector: Svatov and Rubezhnoye.
And on the first and on the second, the men who came out of the Krasny Liman are now fixed. The men are grated and experienced. And they're fine.
I’ll just write it here, because I have repeatedly repeated the same thing non-publicly: communications, interaction, HANDS, intelligence means, though in reports.

[poquello]

Quote: Alex777

Poddubnyi

what is it for? they said about 5000 surrounded by dill, it is very doubtful for such a number

[Alex777]

I didn’t find any information about the number from our sources, but the fact that only 500 fighters held back the offensive of 3 brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine + a troop brigade for several days is also doubtful.

[Alex777]

Quote: Terenin

There is no catastrophe (which you know who is starting to disperse again).

Except for the fact that the inhabitants of Liman voted for Russia.

[Terenin]

Quote: Alex777

Quote: Terenin

There is no catastrophe (which you know who is starting to disperse again).

Except for the fact that the inhabitants of Liman voted for Russia.

Now, what, will they vote for secession from Russia?
It is better now to decide what to choose - for "forever with the Russian people" or again for those who are stronger?

[gafovec]

And what about the positions of the Ukrainians 15-20 km from Donetsk in the EIGHTH month of the NWO? Is there a normal explanation, no water in the toilet?

[Terenin]

Quote from gafovec

And what about the positions of the Ukrainians 15-20 km from Donetsk in the EIGHTH month of the NWO? Is there a normal explanation, no water in the toilet?

And, modern layered defense according to modern NATO standards (which they did and armed for EIGHT years in residential areas) this is bullshit? Let's put our fighters under attack?

[Alex777]

Quote: poquello

ok, who was in charge?

[mavrus]

"Each catastrophe has a name, surname and patronymic."
I.V. Stalin

[poquello]

Quote: mavrus

"Each catastrophe has a name, surname and patronymic."
I.V. Stalin

an experienced revolutionary must have known about plate literacy

[Alex777]

Lieutenant General Roman Berdnikov. new commander of the Western Military District.

Previously, he commanded the 29th Combined Arms Army of the Eastern Military District. Born on August 31, 1974 in the town of Kamen-on-Obi, Altai Territory. In 1989 he entered the Kiev Suvorov Military School and graduated in 1991. In 1991 he entered the Moscow Higher Combined Arms Command School named after M.V. Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR, which he graduated in 1995.

Removed from office - Commander of the Western Military District Alexander Zhuravlev.

[VicktorVR]

So what, is it possible?
Immediately to higher education, without seniority / experience?
Well, this is clearly a "barge" "in tow."

[Bayun]

these are the words of L.M. Kaganovich. But Comrade Stalin liked it;)

[Russian jacket]

It is better to ask who, where and in what hospital was in bed at the moment. I'm talking about commanders. There are no questions for men on earth. Well done.

[Prjanik]

Khodakovsky's comment:

I understand Kadyrov, I understand Prigozhin, but it's still annoying that passions have reached such heights. It is obvious that the "old school" is now fighting for its positions, and the new generation is striving for real power and control in the army - and if the process of integrating "fresh blood" were more harmonious, the conflict would not spill out into the public plane. A couple of weeks ago, I veiledly wrote about this, saying that some military leaders receive high positions, but do not receive real powers - it was Surovikin that I meant.

I don't know him personally, but I've heard a lot of good things about him. By the way, I haven’t heard anything bad about Lapin either, but he has the honor to belong to this very “old school”, and fell under distribution due to “corporate” ties. I would like internal conflicts and contradictions not to become public, but who will prohibit Ramzan Kadyrov and Yevgeny Prigozhin from sharing their opinions?

[Alex777]

"Commander of the Central Military District of the Russian Armed Forces, Colonel General Alexander Lapin, awarded his son, commander of the 1st Guards Tank Regiment Denis Lapin. The state award was presented to Lapin Jr. for courage and courage during the war with Ukraine against the backdrop of the unsuccessful offensive of the Russian army on Sumy and Chernihiv".

I may not understand something, but a son should not serve under his father. Not?

[Russian jacket]

So it's like a dynasty. And in the common people, nepotism.

[Alex777]

They write that Gerasimov and Lapin have known each other since childhood ...

[Russian jacket]

Paw washes paw .... Not nepotism, so connections.

[Charik]

did it happen that his tankers abandoned the T90m?

[Tatyana Makarova]

From my primitivism, I understood it this way: there is a struggle for power. And the events in Ukraine, "some" began to use all means for this struggle, including "defeatist" ones in the sectors of the front. Here C ..., choose the same time!

[fif21]

Quote from: neworange88

Here is the answer of the Brave.

Ramzan is right! Together with the headquarters, to the rank and file and to the front! For 10 days, the Ukrainians stormed Liman, and no one lifted a finger! It's time for someone to spit blood in the cellars of the Lubyanka.

[KVIRTU]

There is no place for nepotism in the army...
Tell Shoigu about his daughter.

[Hypertension]

Military correspondent Kharchenko writes:

About Lapin

I know Comrade General from Syria. In 2017, his people arrested me in the desert, I spent 4 hours in the caring hands of guys from the Central Military District.

We have been working with the Brave since June. They lived on the front line and saw everything with their own eyes. Lisichansk fell thanks to the efforts of the Central Military District. Initially, it was supposed to storm Lisichansk in the forehead, like Severodonetsk. General Lapin insisted on a systematic encirclement.

After the loss of Volcheyarivka, the Ukrainians began to withdraw their forces from Lysichansk. Then the men from the rear! districts closed the encirclement in the Belogorovka area and for another 2 days finished off the AFU soldiers who went out to their own. Thanks to this maneuver, street fighting in Lisichansk was avoided.

There may be claims against Lapin, but he certainly cannot be reproached for cowardice. Alexander Pavlovich always led the troops, in the immediate vicinity of the LBS. He arrived in Belogovka by car with a driver and a security guard! All! At the same time, he drove past a flaming MTLB, which was blown up by Ukrainian saboteurs. A day later, our headquarters dismantled a Ukrainian tank.

When the enemy began to cross the Oskol in small groups, General Lapin led a special forces detachment and went to catch the DRGs. So the point is not at all the cowardice and incompetence of an individual general. The problem is in communication and control systems. And I'm afraid that even Lapin's strength was not enough here, even though he tried to rectify the situation.

Following up on the previous post. Lapin asked to start mobilization in JUNE! Even then there weren't enough people. Some battalions had 30 people left, but these guys went ahead and won contrary to military science.

In any case, public disassembly during the war is a disastrous business. We need to get together. There are many trials ahead, and it will be a shame if Lapin is appointed extreme for the miscalculations of a wide range of officials.

Alexander Kharchenko

[gafovec]

General, personally catching the enemy DRG ???!!! Is this an anecdote or evidence that he was not doing his job?

[Russian jacket]

It looks like a general's excuse to show his heroism. And for a joke as well. Or put on a good face swarms of a bad game.

[Hypertension]

Quote from gafovec

General, personally catching the enemy DRG ???!!!

For what he bought, as they say ... But the essence of the opinion of the military correspondent is correct: one person should not be responsible for system errors. Hanging all the dogs on the scapegoat will not solve the problem.

[Alex777]

And here is Gurulev's answer:

Red Estuary is abandoned.

I cannot explain this surrender from a military point of view. This is probably a significant milestone not only military, but also political, especially now.

This was not a fleeting battle, not only the forces of the LDNR were defending there, the unit of the 20th combined arms army and the 144th division, which worked there in full growth, was worthy of the defense. I have no complaints about the guys, they specifically fought.

It is not clear to me why for all the time they did not correctly assess the situation, did not strengthen the grouping. Yes, guys are heroes, but there is an elementary calculation of forces and means that no one has done correctly.

I fully agree with Ramzan Akhmatovich Kadyrov in this part.

The problem is not that the commander of the grouping of the Central Military District misjudged the situation. The problem is the general lies, the report of a good situation. This system goes from top to bottom.

We did not know the number of forces and means that were advancing on Liman? If they didn't know, then where was intelligence? The 144th division worked perfectly there, army aviation worked perfectly, artillery did not stop working at all.

The whole problem is not on the ground, but on the Frunzenskaya embankment, where they still do not understand, do not own the situation. We need our own Kvashnin, who gave orders, wrote a directive, went to the trench to see the soldier to see how his task was being carried out. That is why we successfully completed the Second Chechen campaign.

Until something completely different appears in the General Staff, nothing will change. Everything else is a consequence of the policy pursued from there.

[Two]

Tell me, don’t be mediocre, did they cancel the order of the top leadership not to destroy the enemy’s infrastructure (stations, energy facilities, bridges, because it was banned from the beginning of the operation). And the very top of the commander’s skill is a competent retreat (with such restrictions), still in the Bundeswehr they teach the retreat under Rzhev. And with the forces that the same Lapin had and the restrictions, don’t shoot there, it’s not a lot of bombs you can win, think. The questions are not to Lapin, but higher up, you know to whom.

[Oden280]

The question is, what is top management? Here Gerasimov was strongly lit up as a member of the "peace party". And in general, most of our generals are Serdyukov's eructations, when paper managers and managers came instead of commanders.

[Oden280]

Only the answer of the "brave" is, most likely, screams from the headquarters. They will remove Lapin and they will all fly from warm places. Normal Braves don't have the time and often the ability to surf the internet.

[KVIRTU]

Nonsense, flattery ordered ...
Commander of the Central Military District, which side to Liman?
Front section, where the level of responsibility of the regiment commander, brigade.

[Quote Lavrov]

With all due respect to how much Kadyrov himself put into this operation, I cannot note a few nuances, which, it seems to me, are more like an attempt to find a lower-ranking culprit.
1. They did not take Kyiv, as he said. Does anyone really think that this was the decision of the group commander? But was it really possible to take him with such forces? And then hold it when the APU would come up and the metropolis would shoot from every window? And in Kyiv there was the leadership of Ukraine - as if Lapin stopped the troops, realizing that the question was also how to be with these centers of political power? I doubt very much that this whole idea with the storming of Kyiv is the desire of the military.
2. The armament of LARSOs and defense in general. And exactly, Lapin decides how many forces to use and can carry out the transfer of forces and means from other parts of the country, and in the NVO group itself, especially after 7 months, does he definitely have where to get reserves from?
3. Did someone help Lapin with reserves? Allowed to destroy the top ukroReich infrastructure? Lapin pulled with mobilization?
4. And just remember that Kadyrov himself voiced his vision of the operation - and take Kyiv in cash at that time by forces, and how he spoke about his order to take either raisins or Mariupol in a week (I don’t remember) and then compare with reality , which we already know - would its variants give the best option? Yes, onslaught, pressure, continuity of pressure - everything is correct. But the question is in power. This must also be taken into account.


I repeat - many are to blame, including, probably, Lapin. But to say that he is the main culprit is to divert the focus from other, much more powerful participants in this SVO.

As after the first Chechnya, politicians will put all the blame for the sake of ratings on the military, although it is they who hold the hands of the army and determine the strategy.

And do they really understand the consequences of trying to write off all the blame on the military?

But perhaps the biggest fault of the military is that there was not a single one who would have the courage to say "no" to politicians. As the same "Alpha" did in due time.

[Pulkovo1942]

I repeat - many are to blame, including, probably, Lapin.

When the situation heats up, people begin to turn the arrows on each other. There are many guilty, we are currently witnessing a cascade of consequences from their actions. Kadyrov has the right to be indignant - he gave his 200%.

[Quote Lavrov]

Without a doubt! Emotionally, I more than understand him. And I understand that he knows orders of magnitude more information than I do.
And I'm not saying that his opinion about a particular commander is unfounded. I do not know, therefore I do not even try to argue on this issue. I am writing about something completely different.

[Ivan Ivanov]

After all, Kadyrov wrote not only about Lapin, but also about Gerasimov, who "had no doubts", and even earlier about the strange course of the operation as a whole. And if it was unreasonable to storm Kuev with limited forces, was it reasonable to save "Ukrlogistics", get away from Kyiv, Sumy, Chernigov, Kharkov, instead of building up the grouping. Were the humanitarian pauses, negotiations and other miracles reasonable? Kadyrov has been writing about this since March. It is clear that the decisions are political.

[Alex777]

There are rumors that there are some negotiations between Gerasimov and Zaluzhny.
How they treat them now is an interesting question ...

[Mikhail Sidorov]

There are rumors that there are some negotiations between Gerasimov and Zaluzhny.

Reminds me of Putin's speech. He said that Washington, Brussels and London are pushing Kyiv to enter Russian territory. That is, Kyiv retains the right to decide something ... we are negotiating with someone in the Kyiv authorities.

[Alex777]

Judging by Kadyrov, all these negotiations are not the topic for him.
Like Prigozhin and Gurulev, who supported him.
Intuition tells us that a lot of amazing things we
we'll see soon. Rumors are interesting.

[gafovec]

Another regroup? Or leveling the "front line" to "save the lives of servicemen"?

[Alex777]

I'm looking forward to a major reshuffle in senior management.

[Kaufman]

Gurulev has become a lot. Apparently that's what it means. No wonder he glowed

[neworange88]

Quote: IvanIvanov

After all, Kadyrov wrote not only about Lapin, but also about Gerasimov, who "had no doubts", and even earlier about the strange course of the operation as a whole. And if it was unreasonable to storm Kuev with limited forces, was it reasonable to save "Ukrlogistics", get away from Kyiv, Sumy, Chernigov, Kharkov, instead of building up the grouping. Were the humanitarian pauses, negotiations and other miracles reasonable? Kadyrov has been writing about this since March. It is clear that the decisions are political.

I wonder how they are going to stop the catastrophic consequences of these political decisions? Such political decisions frankly look like hara-kiri.

[bayard]

Quote from: neworange88

Such political decisions frankly look like hara-kiri.

In the last years of the life of the USSR, there were also many miraculous and "strange" decisions and actions of the authorities. As it turned out, they consciously and deliberately led the country to destruction. If you write out in a column all the oddities of this SVO ... what conclusions suggest themselves?
And this is all multiplied by mediocre, lazy, untalented hands-manship as a whole. And all the stupidity consciously sticks out.
For what ?
Isn't it to hide something more behind it?

[Vita vko]

War is an extremely ambiguous event. A tactical retreat to mislead the enemy or solve strategic problems is a completely justified step.
The question is, in whose hands is the initiative really and does our command have at least some kind of plan? And then one gets the feeling that everyone is waiting for something and therefore ours are teetering on the brink of failure.

[bayard]

Quote: Vita VKO

A tactical retreat to mislead the enemy or solve strategic problems is a completely justified step.

On the one hand, the NWO forces (very limited) no longer had any reserves left. In the Kherson direction, the enemy is constantly attacking, making it impossible to transfer reserves. The same is true in the Zaporozhye direction - powerful enemy groups were concentrated there. There were no reserves for the NMD even in Russia itself - the Army, by the will of the Supreme High Command, is SMALL. And mobilization was not carried out for 7+ months. So where will the reserves come from?
And the enemy is already in the 8th wave of mobilization, there is already a million under arms, and after the start of mobilization in the Russian Federation, it was decided to call in about a million more in order to maintain numerical advantages.
Such an amazing course of the NWO is the fault of the exclusively military-political leadership of the country. It was they who put the Army and the NWO forces allocated from it in such a monstrous position - to fight against 5 (FIVE) times superior enemy forces on fronts (initially) up to 2 thousand km.
And keep coming!
Moreover, the last 5 months - exclusively only on the enemy's defense line in depth. Bleeding the Russian Army and the Corps of the Republics of Donbass.
Instead of mobilizing and creating all the conditions for victory - tank biathlons, ostentatious exercises in the Far East, Ferris Wheel and fireworks in Moscow ... The unbearable lightness of being ...
Neither the rout near Kyiv and the retreat from 3 regions, nor the rout and repeated "guards drape" already from Balakleya and Izyum ... All were occupied by the "Comrade Devil" Wheel.
But Krasny Lyman - they kept it.
They kept our mobile phones (DPR) and Russian volunteers - not a regular Army. And at least they did not allow the very procedure of reunification with Russia of its historical lands to be defiled by defeat. Low bow to the men.
And they won time.
For during the time that they held out, some toggle switches in the Kremlin towers clicked, and albeit reluctantly, albeit late and often crookedly ... mobilization began ... And reinforcements are already arriving. Bypassing training centers, because the road is a spoon for dinner, and the men are experienced there.

In war, the incompetence and stupidity of everyone is visible. Moreover, it becomes obvious to everyone.
Ramzan is correct. I didn’t take it higher, although HOW citizen Gerasimov behaved is already a reason for an official investigation, if not a tribunal. By the totality of "successes" and "feats".
And all the more questions for the "best minister in the world", the holder of the Order of Malta and the "rescuer of all times and peoples" ... TEN years is a long time. And to blame everything on the predecessor already ... not even funny ...
Why does the best minister in the world, his "parquet guard" who has already run from the battlefield once, leaving in perfect condition, just a gigantic amount of equipment, ammunition, equipment? Without destroying, without exploding, if evacuation is impossible? How did you manage to educate your subordinates like that?
Only the lazy did not write about communications, drones, thermal imagers and other equipment.
Sebarite citizens, lazybones and loafers, you got high before the war in the entire NATO bloc. And this is not a parade.
Do not play biathlon.
We need SPECIALISTS here.
By War.
So that the country could win and survive.
The country needs a rapid personnel maneuver .
Voluntary. Without clinging and tantrums. Without undercover intrigues - LAFA is over.
The War has come.
And war is always the Moment of Truth.
And it's time for the Supreme High Command to carry out this personnel maneuver. Stana entrusted this right and honor to him.

[Vita vko]

Quote: bayard

Instead of mobilizing and creating all the conditions for victory - tank biathlons, ostentatious exercises in the Far East

I can only add that for almost 8 months of the NMD, not a single rocket or bomb fell on a Ukrainian recruiting station or military registration and enlistment office. Not a single communication, television and media center was damaged. As the West and Zelensky spoiled the brains of Ukrainians, they continue. Russian troops did not even attempt to disrupt the mobilization in any region of Ukraine!
I can't explain it with any "cunning" plan.

[bayard]

Well, if on garlic, then in the first phase of the NWO, such blows were inflicted. And in the barracks with conscripts, and in television towers and television centers, there were also communications towers. But not for long.

Quote: Vita VKO

I can't explain it with any "cunning" plan.

Cunning often hides stupidity.
And sometimes cheating.

[Alex777]

Greetings! Weird things are happening. I hope that the conclusions are not far off.
There was a rumor that VVP had a talk with Medvedchuk in Sochi. Last time.

[bayard]

About Medvedchuk, here you need to understand the following - at the time the SVO began, he had already been under house arrest for a long time. And therefore - under the cap. Therefore, all the information from him could be just an operational game and a trap for the "gullible godfather". In addition, information about skirmishes / shootings in the building of the General Staff and the headquarters of the South group in Mariupol suggests that there was apparently some kind of conspiracy ... But he was tightly controlled by the Anglo-Saxon special services. So to expect something in such conditions was ... pure gamble.

Quote: Alex777

Weird things are happening. I hope that the conclusions are not far off.

I still hope, because Nadezhda is the last to die, that the Supreme High Command will nevertheless carry out a decisive personnel maneuver. For with such a composition of the Moscow Region, one cannot dream of any Victory. There are personnel for maneuver. You need Will, Speed ​​and Decisiveness.
And complete mobilization of the rear.

[AdAstra]

Yes, no way, but rather 300k mobilized and who knows how many from above.

[AUL]

Quote: IvanIvanov

Kadyrov has been writing about this since March. It is clear that the decisions are political.

This is how political capital is accumulated - everyone is in shit, and I am in a white tailcoat!

[Ivan Ivanov]

Many people, not only Kadyrov, wrote about the lack of forces / the strange course of the operation.

[scientist]

Quote from AUL

This is how political capital is generated.

In fact, Kadyrov was not seen in outright lies and slander. It seems to me that he understands perfectly well that undermining faith in the command of the NWO, especially during the period of mobilization, can lead to serious consequences. Moreover, quite serious criminal liability is provided for under Article 280.3 "Public actions aimed at discrediting the use of the RF Armed Forces."
Yes, Kadyrov is still that "Chapaev", for his plans you need at least a bag of potatoes, especially for the capture of Kyiv. But you need to understand "there is no smoke without fire" and someone should answer for Lyman and Kharkov. People at the front think exclusively in terms of their own and there are enemies. They are well aware that the dib...l commander is worse than any enemy. And if the enemy dug in at the headquarters, then it will definitely end badly.

[Maks winter]

by and large it is necessary in 2014 - ohm still had to do all this ...

[Taimen]

In 2014, they began with all their might to push the LDNR back to Ukraine with the shameful Minsk treaties. And "Mr." Surkov, now missing, pushed into the ears of Our Red Sun that this was good. And the republics and Strelkov were bad. , which Strelkov was talking about. And Surkov was quietly smeared away from everywhere. Even they were excluded from the deck of cards. Assistants should be taken not from the Surkovs and the Peskovs, but smart ones. But it’s scary, but suddenly ....

[dmi.pris1]

Yes. Therefore, often there are so few smart solutions

[neworange88]

Quote: dmi.pris

Yes. Therefore, often there are so few smart solutions

Defeat can be in a battle, and when they run away over and over again, and over and over again large batches of serviceable equipment fall into the hands of the enemy, which they not only did not even try to withdraw with battles, but did not even bother to destroy, questions arise. Under Stalin, everyone who ran away like that would have been put up against the wall. From generals to privates. Soon, at such a pace, we will supply more equipment to the Armed Forces of Ukraine than our Western partners supply under the current Lend-Lease, but what are we going to fight with? We need to cheer up, and urgently draw the right conclusions, otherwise they will soon run away from Belgorod if nothing is changed.

[Kargapoltsev Alexander]

I wrote that if our equipment is not sent to the Ukrainians, then the war will end quickly. And we see that this is definitely not in the plans of the leadership. The plans were definitely to draw the Russian Federation into a mess, and this was done, but we don’t know what’s next.

[frog]

We need to cheer up and urgently draw the right conclusions, otherwise they will soon run away from Belgorod if nothing is changed.

And what are the correct conclusions we should draw? For two decades they have not been honored, and then suddenly the insight should come down?

[Kaufman]

Something not to see the prerequisites for the fact that there will be an insight. None at all. I am already silent about how that mobilization is carried out. Basically - they lie thumping in large gyms and have fights, sometimes group ones. Apparently this is so self-preparation

[frog]

It's for anyone's luck. Some people are there in a week. And x.z. here which is better. And fairy tales about "retraining" are fairy tales. Although, maybe someone is lucky. But I think there are few of them. There is simply no one and nowhere in such volumes ..... to spud ....

[gafovec]

And if these same defeats are on ONE sector of the front? You are right, as if not to regroup before the Moscow Ring Road !!!

[bayard]

Quote: dmi.pris

.The thing is that the bosses don’t like smart people. Nowhere. Neither in the army nor in civilian life. Everyone is trying to push, fire, frame.

All from the fact that only NEGATIVE selection took place in power. And of course, a stupid boss will not tolerate a smart subordinate next to him, because he will denounce him by the very fact of his existence. And as a result, the system begins to rapidly degrade.
So is it worth being surprised at the generals' stupidity, if from the 90s the most useless and mediocre were sent to the academy from units and formations? For smart and good specialists were needed locally ... And then such a "hero" returned from the academy ... and even became a general - after all, he graduated from the academy.

Stalin had exactly the opposite. Then they could see a budding guy among the rank and file somewhere on Sakhalin, send him to study in Moscow, and he, from the student bench, give out the concept of creating a thermonuclear munition, with all the calculations.
And only after the murder of Stalin and Beria, intelligent crooks such as Sakharov and Co. managed to slander, survive and rot a talented scientist.
He nevertheless became an academician and professor, but he no longer dealt with the former subject.
And now the times are by no means Stalinist.
Now we have "as under Nicholas-2". So why be surprised by the new RYAV, Tsushima or WWI? The quality of the intellect and the structure of the psyche do not pull out for more.

[frog]

All from the fact that only NEGATIVE selection took place in power.

Right. And in rukompotii, and in the scoop, and now. And all these owners of the "best education in the world" (and there they are in the majority) demonstrate it in all its glory. And at the same time, the fact that education itself is, in general, nothing if the personnel policy is so ..... outstanding ....
Fans of the alternative history genre are all tinder for popados, fighting for rivets with their breasts))) Instead of thinking about the really important...
And yes, about a talented, but rotten, don’t throw a link, tea is already possible, go?) You can in a personal, if

[Alex777]

Quote: dmi.pris

If one Lapin is made extreme, this is not an option.

They say Lapin, mean - Gerasimov.

[neworange88]

Quote: Pulkovo1942

I repeat - many are to blame, including, probably, Lapin.

When the situation heats up, people begin to turn the arrows on each other. There are many guilty, we are currently witnessing a cascade of consequences from their actions. Kadyrov has the right to be indignant - he gave his 200%.

And how can you not be emotional if funny, the same type of messages for half a year already, trampling in one place under terrible shelling by the DPR fascists, not a single bridge, substation, railway junctions have been destroyed, electricity is not available only on Russian territory, how can you fight like that , in general, a complete failure and shame for the Russian Leopold cats, they only mumble about some kind of negotiations with the Nazis, as they muttered for 8 years under the cannonade about the Minsk agreements.

[bayard]

Quote from: neworange88

how can you fight like that, in general, a complete failure and shame for the Russian Leopold cats, they only mutter about some kind of negotiations with the Nazis, as they muttered for 8 years under the cannonade about the Minsk agreements.

You don’t understand - they are now having a holiday of "growth of Russian lands", they should not worry - they
rejoice.
And the knightly status does not give the minister a victory.
And order discipline.
He has so many orders.

[Konnick]

And exactly, Lapin decides how many forces to use and can carry out the transfer of forces and means from other parts of the country, and in the NVO group itself, especially after 7 months, does he definitely have where to get reserves from?

And who sent the 503rd motorized rifle regiment to expand the "passage", instead of hitting the rear of the Armed Forces of Ukraine attacking this passage?

[Quote Lavrov]

Look at my comment above. Having no information about the planning and conduct of the operation, I will not even try to portray "playing cards" without knowing the real situation. I repeat, I'm not talking about whether Lapin is to blame or not. I say that it is impossible to be limited to one person. Moreover, leaving politicians behind the focus

[ramzay21]

In fact, Lapin is guilty, as is the chief of the General Staff, as the Minister of Defense, and as a guarantor, it was they who did not ensure the rearmament of the army with modern weapons, it was they who did not practice modern combat tactics with the troops, and it is they who give orders to the troops.

In 1939, when the Red Army repelled the Japanese attack on the Kholkin-Gol River, ours retreated and the corps command also sat far from the front, and Zhukov, who arrived on Stalin's instructions, quickly figured out the situation and reported to Stalin, who immediately removed all command and appointed Zhukov, he gave him everything he asked for and the result of these actions is known, after that the Japanese sat quietly throughout the war and the whole world learned about the new young commander, who from the commanders immediately became the commander of the Special Military District, bypassing the commander.
This is how a smart leader of the country should act. And Japan had a modern army and 100 million people.

We won because the country was led by an intelligent and far-sighted person who selected leaders based on business qualities and not on acquaintance.
Our guarantor has only one way to win, this is to start changing his environment for people capable of leading both the army and the economy, otherwise disaster awaits us.

[Heisenberg]

Our guarantor has only one way to win - to start changing his environment for people capable of leading both the army and the economy otherwise we are in for a disaster.
Maybe that's what the goal is? If so, then all his actions have logic.

[Kargapoltsev Alexander]

Congratulations, you have finally seen the light.

[neworange88]

Quote: Heisenberg

Our guarantor has only one way to win - to start changing his environment for people capable of leading both the army and the economy otherwise we are in for a disaster.
Maybe that's what the goal is? If so, then all his actions have logic.

And what's the point of arranging a catastrophe? This is suicide. What is the meaning of everything that happens in what do you see?

[Ivan Ivanov]

In this case, this is already an extreme degree of masochism. GDP does not look like a masochist. In reality, it looks more like a misjudgment of the situation.

[AAK]

Zelebober demanded from his generals to take Liman by the 30th, a day later, but they took it on 01.10.22/5/85 ... And what did the Supreme demand from his generals? Where to go next?! Liman was stormed by 90 VFU brigades, staffed by 1-500% + 3000 Troop brigade + a serious group of mercenaries, but being carried away by the organization of "holiday" concerts, our leadership was able to allocate ONE incomplete regiment as reinforcements and, allegedly, threw several FAB-XNUMX and one or two FAB-XNUMXs on the advancing dill, but they got really frightened ... for the evening in the articles and comments there was a joyful squeal - "the lights were lit, help came, Gondor came out!..." and what ?! The result - on the face or in the muzzle ... departed "according to the newly approved plan! .." Everywhere you look - everywhere you look is fat and hairy, and Ours squeaked at a solemn meeting about the next "negotiation process" and that's it ... there are no gas pipelines, reinforcements no, there is no return of cities and villages from where the "heroic" guardsmen came from - no, there are no normal military operations, there is no aviation work, in general, there is no shit !!! It looks like His Serene Highness stupidly does not dare to press the "shoulder straps" properly, apparently he is afraid that they, from their unwillingness to stay without them and go either to the tribunal, or as privates to the penal company, will simply collide with the "Pinocchio" and then - hello The Hague !!! the classic was right - the circle is narrow and they are terribly far away, because they are stupid and cowardly ...

[Deon59]

If you press hard, they can throw it off. But you don’t want to lose power. Ratings will be drawn, later they will find extreme ones.

[neworange88]

Quote from Deon59

If you press hard, they can throw it off. But you don’t want to lose power. Ratings will be drawn, later they will find extreme ones.

Who will drop there? Funny.

[bayard]

Quote from: neworange88

Who will drop there? Funny.

Shoyga.

[neworange88]

Quote: bayard

Quote from: neworange88

Who will drop there? Funny.

Shoyga.

Well, of course.

Shoigu also played an important role in the election campaigns of 1999-2000. He headed the Unity party, which would later be transformed into United Russia, and supported Putin in the elections.
In September 1999, Shoigu was awarded the title of Hero of Russia. In 2003 - General of the Army.

Shoigu remained in government throughout Putin's time in power. There was only a short break in 2012, when from May to November the official served as governor of the Moscow region. Subsequently, Andrei Vorobyov, the son of Yuri Vorobyov, who served as Shoigu's first deputy in the Ministry of Emergency Situations, took his place. Under him, enrollment in military schools and academies increased, the intensity of combat training increased, surprise checks of combat readiness began to be carried out, and the Arctic troops appeared.

https://puls-planeta.mirtesen.ru/blog/43415504922/Sergey-SHoygu-biografiya-natsionalnost-foto-semi-i-druzhba-s-Put

[bayard]

And a brilliantly planned and conducted NWO.
Do you remember what the Supreme High Command answered the All-Russian Officers' Assembly on their proposals and recommendations on the conduct of the SVO (when everything went wrong)?
- This is not within my competence, please contact Shoyge.
So who should be filmed and exponentially punished, if all the questions are for ...?
But the one who brought to power can also ... reduce.
Here is such a hitch. And that is why everything will go as it goes - crookedly.

[Alexey Lantukh]

FAB3000, in my understanding, is needed on a bridge, on a seriously fortified bunker, but not on a forested area, which had to be covered with a large amount of small things over a large area.

[Russian jacket]

It can be said differently. "Our don Tameo is a coward, and a fair politician."

[Bayun]

If non-military people are involved in the war, they will 100% lose.

[Hey]

If non-military people are involved in the war, they will 100% lose.

Or rather, traders and hucksters.

[tabletkin73]

And so Lapin decided to command over 150 km. from TVD?

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

there was not a single one who would have the courage to say "no" to politicians. As the same "Alpha" did in due time.

"Alpha" kept its tail to the wind, like most of the top KGB.
Does anyone believe that the restoration of capitalism in the USSR was possible without the participation of special services?

[Quote Lavrov]

Denying the incumbent president?
So much so that later he multiplied them and Vympel by almost 0 ???
Is that what you call "keep your tail to the wind"?

[Captain Pushkin]

What are you talking about? Where is some kind of "president"?
In 1991, Alpha refused to take the White House.

[Quote Lavrov]

It happened on October 4, 1993 (!!!)

[bayard]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

It happened on October 4, 1993 (!!!)

Not only that, they took deputies out of the burning House of Soviets to their base and took them under guard there.

[Captain Pushkin]

In those August days, the leadership of Group A of the Seventh Directorate of the KGB of the USSR and the entire personnel of the unit were at the forefront of dramatic political events that shook the foundations of the country. The name "Alpha" was on everyone's lips ("Vympel" remained in the shadows - although it was also tied into this knot). Some praised him to the skies, others cursed him for refusing to storm the White House.

[Captain Pushkin]

According to A. V. Suldin, the author of the book “History of the USSR”, the officers of the “A” unit simply refused to comply with the order regarding the capture of Yeltsin on guard.

Source: Why the Alpha special forces did not arrest Yeltsin in August 1991 - Russian Seven
© Russian Seven russian7.ru
And after that:
- Golovatov and I invited the heads of departments. They said that at three o'clock in the morning the assault should take place. Go to the departments, prepare people. After 30-35 minutes, the commanders reported that in the situation that we now have, the personnel are basically not ready to fulfill this order. Everyone remembered very well what happened in Vilnius in January 1991, when we turned out to be “extreme”, and believed that something similar would happen now.

[Quote Lavrov]

Colleague, did you pay attention to the fact that I am writing to you about one event, and you stubbornly pretend that you do not notice this and keep returning to 1991?
Even in your situation - what are you arguing with? With the fact that at that time Alpha had the courage to do what I am writing about - say "no" to politicians? On the contrary, you only confirm what I said.

[Captain Pushkin]

You stated that Alpha refused to obey orders not in 1991, but in 1993.
In response, he cited several facts from 1991.
But they refused not only in 1991, but also in 1993. And not only Alfa, but also Vympel.
And now in memoirs they shed crocodile tears about 1991 and complain about bad bosses.

[Quote Lavrov]

I gave you an example from 1993. The fact that you pulled up 1991 has nothing to do with me, because in this matter you are arguing with yourself.
About the memoirs, where "tears are shed", to be honest, I have not heard. But I will say this - a lot now, having behind an understanding of the results of Yeltsin and Co. do not regret that period? Few. And now remember those years - didn't we ourselves bring Yeltsin to power ?? Yes, we ourselves, hanging our ears ....
Therefore, we, just like they can and must admit their guilt. But then they didn’t know this, and nevertheless, they didn’t shed blood for the sake of politicians’ games .... either at 91 or at 93

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Didn't we ourselves bring Yeltsin to power?? Yes, we ourselves, hanging our ears ....

I don’t know about you, but I definitely didn’t bring Yeltsin to power.
After his "Confession on a given topic", it was obvious that if this person breaks through to power, there will be trouble.
About the shedding of blood.
The path to Hell is paved with good intentions.
It is necessary to distinguish between when it is impossible and when it is necessary.
The Chinese figured out this issue and cost little blood so as not to shed the sea.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Colleague, did you pay attention to the fact that I am writing to you about one event, and you stubbornly pretend that you do not notice this and keep returning to 1991?

Yes, as if Pushkin started with the 91st. And he is right in principle, in both cases Alpha acted in her own way.

[Captain Pushkin]

- Sergey Alekseevich (Goncharov), let's clarify this question: what is the role of Arkady Ivanovich Volsky in the position that Alpha took during the period of the State Emergency Committee?

I will say this: Arkady Ivanovich Volsky, who himself was in great bewilderment from everything that was happening, allowed us to navigate in that mess in the only possible way - to avoid blood. Alfa will do exactly the same in October 1993, when, on the one hand, it refused to kill people during the assault, on the other hand, it took the initiative, entered into negotiations and brought out everyone who was in the flaming building, which was shot with direct fire from tanks .

[Tatyana Makarova]

I don't know if you have read G.N. Zaitsev "Alpha is my destiny". ? THERE everything about these (and not only these) events is written. The book is exclusive.

[Captain Pushkin]

The Ryoanji rock garden consists of 15 rocks. But no matter where you are in the garden, only 14 will be visible.
Those. observing from 15 different points, we will see 15 different realities. And they will all be true, but not the truth.
Zaitsev's book is one of such points of view.
And further. Even if everything in his memoirs is true, I do not remember a single memoirist who did not try to show himself in a favorable light.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

1. They did not take Kyiv, as he said. Does anyone really think that this was the decision of the group commander? But was it really possible to take him with such forces? And then hold it when the APU would come up and the metropolis would shoot from every window?

Adventurously, but it would be possible to nominally take and seize the leadership of the lukewarm, the situation would definitely change, it was not necessary and it was not necessary to keep it. There would definitely not have been so many sanctions, the Russian Federation would have raised its authority, etc. But it happened, as it happened, thanks to the "best".

[Arzamas]

Well, let's start with the fact that I absolutely do not see the tragedy in the loss of Liman. I agree with the position almost completely. Guilt in the current situation is only to a lesser extent on the command. First of all, the political authorities are guilty, which did not start mobilization in March and still have not introduced martial law in the country. The second is the General Staff, which agreed to this adventure of half-measures called "SVO" and did not convey to the political leadership the correct idea that "you cannot win a war without a war"! In third place is the Ministry of Defense, the effectiveness of which today's mobilization shows in full and the quality of the rear. And in conclusion, Messrs. Prigozhin and Kadyrov understand that with the beginning, I hope not partial, of mobilization, their contribution to success at the front will become less and less significant. Accordingly, their budgets will be reduced, hence the hysteria.

[Berkut752]

You are right my friend. You probably remember the expression attributed to the 35th US President John F. Kennedy, after the defeat, in the bay of pigs. "" "victory has a thousand fathers, and defeat is always an orphan" ... There is a difference between the war in Chechnya and on the outskirts .......................

[tsvetahaki]

I repeat - many are to blame, ...

Do you know how the army (and not only) fights when "many are to blame"? The guilty and the innocent are tried and sent to the front.
And do you know why it helps? Because the rest - guilty and innocent - understand that everyone will have to answer. And they become brave enough to criticize and not let them make bad decisions. Because everyone gets it.

[Alex777]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

Lapin pulled with mobilization?

They say that since June he has been asking for it from the GDP. Until Gerasimov blocked communication.

Quote: Quote Lavrov

I repeat - many are to blame, including, probably, Lapin. But to say that he is the main culprit is to divert the focus from other, much more powerful participants in this SVO.

Who do you mean here? Gerasimov, who allegedly conducts some kind of negotiations with Zaluzhny?

[Russian jacket]

You can’t say no, don’t hang orders and go to the janitors. There is a war with garbage and you do not dispose of other people's lives.

[Terenin]

Quote from cold wind

Quote: Mint Gingerbread

Now Kadyrov has personally seen how the Russian army fought in the Chechen wars.

So he personally fought in the first Chechen war against the Russian Federation, in the second Chechen war for the Russian Federation. He knows everything about these wars.

And what did he know? Anglo-Saxon space intelligence highlighting our goals in online hamers? Or trains of incoming Western military equipment and weapons?

[bayard]

Quote: Terenin

And what did he know? Anglo-Saxon space intelligence highlighting our goals in online hamers? Or trains of incoming Western military equipment and weapons?

The categorical refusal of the military-political leadership to carry out timely mobilization in order to strengthen the NVO grouping and ensure timely rotation.

[Tusv]

Quote from cold wind

So he personally fought in the first Chechen war against the Russian Federation, in the second Chechen war for the Russian Federation. He knows everything about these wars.

No, he doesn't know. These wars are different. Order in Chechnya was put in place with understanding and no mobilization, but here there is a war. Serious such

[Gankutsu_]

The main thing is that looking at this, he does not want to play for independence again.

[Chronos]

Quote: Gankutsu_

The main thing is that looking at this, he does not want to play for independence again.

If he doesn't want to, Kadyrov began to speak because he understands that he is part of the system and, if everything collapses, he will be overwhelmed with rubble.

[Terenin]

Quote: Chronos

Quote: Gankutsu_

The main thing is that looking at this, he does not want to play for independence again.

If he doesn't want to, Kadyrov began to speak because he understands that he is part of the system and, if everything collapses, he will be overwhelmed with rubble.

And how did you want each region to be on its own or something? This is the end of the state. Right Ramzan, as the head of the region, understands the situation. Experienced war.

[Adrey]

Quote: Chronos

If he doesn't want to, Kadyrov began to speak because he understands that he is part of the system and, if everything collapses, he will be overwhelmed with rubble.

You may ask why?
"Own" territory is. There is an army, moreover, trained and with combat experience.
And Akella seems to have missed

[Chronos]

Quote: Adrey

Quote: Chronos

If he doesn't want to, Kadyrov began to speak because he understands that he is part of the system and, if everything collapses, he will be overwhelmed with rubble.

You may ask why?
"Own" territory is. There is an army, moreover, trained and with combat experience.
And Akella seems to have missed

He has all this while he is with Russia. If they start seriously raising the issue with Ichkeria, the Kadyrov clan will be physically destroyed.

[Adrey]

Quote: Chronos

He has all this while he is with Russia. If they start seriously raising the issue with Ichkeria, the Kadyrov clan will be physically destroyed.

Just one question. WHO?

[Chronos]

Chechen emigrants who will be let in there. The world is full of them and they are mortal enemies for Kadyrov. And he has enough enemies inside Chechnya. Now he pressed them, and they calmed down, but they will come out a little. Yes, and if anything, the Kadyrovites are light infantry. The RF Armed Forces are also stationed in Chechnya. So Kadyrov does not have his own army.

[Adrey]

Quote: Chronos

Chechen emigrants who will be let in there.

And who will let them go?

Quote: Chronos

And he has enough enemies inside Chechnya. Now he pressed them, and they calmed down, but they will come out a little.

Will press even harder if it does not clean. He's not used to it.

Quote: Chronos

The RF Armed Forces are also stationed in Chechnya.

What are they doing there when it's like that at the front?

Quote: Chronos

So Kadyrov does not have his own army.

NO OWN nominally, de facto - how to look

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Adrey

And Akella seems to have missed

Akella has not jumped yet, and the tobaccos have already salivated from the expectation of an error .. can't wait!

[Third district]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: Adrey
And Akella seems to have missed

Akella has not jumped yet, and the tobaccos have already salivated from the expectation of an error .. can't wait!

Jumped. Near Kyiv on February 24, and everything ended with shameful negotiations in Turkey. And "a gesture of good will", with the abandonment of the northern part of Ukraine. With these very gestures, the failures and the standing of the army began.

[Nickelium]

So what's the point of being independent? Independence will not provide food. Just for Chechnya, the most optimal thing is for Russia to flourish. Then it is good for Chechnya. I do not think that they want to become a new Tajikistan. Moreover, there were 2 wars.

[Adrey]

Quote: Gankutsu_

The main thing is that looking at this, he does not want to play for independence again.

That's it ... It's easy to create your own, "pocket", from sea to sea, on the "wreckage of an empire".

[Thrifty]

Here, Kadyrov and appoint the commander of all our troops on the Ukrainian front, with the provision of freedom to him in the choice of form and means to carry out the combat mission of the complete elimination of the Armed Forces and Ukraine. Up to the execution of anyone from private to marshal! It's time to give command into tough hands.

[isv000]

Quote: Thrifty

Here, Kadyrov and appoint the commander of all our troops on the Ukrainian front, with the provision of freedom to him in the choice of form and means to carry out the combat mission of the complete elimination of the Armed Forces and Ukraine. Up to the execution of anyone from private to marshal! It's time to give command into tough hands.

With the exception of nuclear weapons in any form ... We, like a lure, are dragged out for this, so that from all the stands they will then be dubbed a wolf and "officially" fall upon the whole kahal ...

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Not! Nuclear weapons, too, and in the first place! And not only "low-power", but everything!

[Kiril Letov]

First. Are you sure that in this case you will not have the opportunity to test the President's assertion that the Russians will go to heaven? I don't. Excuse me, but in 1940 one uncle thought the same thing that Britain would capitulate in fear of Hitler and Mussolini. Ended up the other way around. Therefore, I would not believe that the US and the UK will remain indifferent. The price of such self-confidence may be too high. .
Secondly. The use of even tactical nuclear weapons is equal to the recognition of the defeat of Russia. What then is all the verbal tinsel about the power of the RF Armed Forces worth if it was necessary to use it to break the Armed Forces of Ukraine of the 40 millionth country. What then did the gigantic money go to for these 22 years and .....
So do not drown for what may be your end in the truest sense of the word!

[Tusv]

Quote: Kiril Letov (

First. Are you sure that in this case you will not have the opportunity to test the President's assertion that the Russians will go to heaven?

Mykolo you hearing yak Muscovites call our wrestling?
- First!
Once again, TNW and SNW are different weights. Figanut tactical nuclear weapons on the haul norot will not suffer, but figs will deliver the equipment to the front line. No, I'm an apologist for tactical nuclear weapons. Figachte cons

[Kargapoltsev Alexander]

Yes already . Promised to apply, threatened. This is enough to demand nuclear disarmament of the Russian Federation in case of defeat. What will happen to us further colorfully described Berkemi al Atomi.

[Kiril Letov]

I believe that the RF Armed Forces can complete their assigned tasks without the use of tactical nuclear weapons. The potential of the RF Armed Forces and the mobilization reserve should not be underestimated.

[withoutreverse]

"The weak are not respected in the Caucasus"... was that what Kadyrov wanted to say?

[seacap]

Even before that, he has a wealth of combat experience and training.

[isv000]

Quote: flicker

Let's figure it out without you, especially since Ukraine will no longer exist in any form.

For all crimes and transgressions against its own people, Ukraine is subject to oblivion. Didn't live on their own - don't give a fuck and start!

[Terenin]

Quote: Mint Gingerbread

. That's why they run, not from battles, but from mediocrity.

Why whine now. Correct the situation and draw obvious organizational conclusions.
Well, of course, Vladimir Vladimirovich, be tougher with the guilty.

[AdAstra]

After the Kharkov regrouping, there was also "nothing to whine, organizational conclusions are needed," but they still don't exist. Whipping himself?

[Terenin]

Quote: Mint Gingerbread

Now Kadyrov has personally seen how the Russian army fought in the Chechen wars.

What are you grinding from your 404. You fought as best you could, the result is a normal life in Chechnya.
Rejoice early, with your Western masters Liman. We will return, no doubt.

[smart ass]

I drown for Kadyrov, what he thinks and says

[skeptic]

Quote: Mint Gingerbread

That's why they run, not from battles, but from mediocrity.

To be more precise - from "ensigns" with generals' shoulder straps. The shadow of the Iraqi generals hovers over the "analogues" of Hussein.

[Sniper]

If you believe Konashenkov .. then the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already been destroyed 5 times, especially successfully 2 and 4 times.

[Mikhail Sidorov]

Now Kadyrov has personally seen how the Russian army fought in the Chechen wars.

Today, an abscess of NWO problems has opened up. Kadyrov opened it. Maybe for the better.
I have been writing about the use of Tiao since March. This weapon does not have to go crazy. It was not invented so that our brothers and sons would die on the battlefields.

[Pavel73]

If Liman was hoarded for a whole week, messages came from there, one more disturbing than the other, but in the end they left him, this means only one thing: it was intended that way. If the task was to keep at any cost, they would. So it was not necessary at any cost. Just like with Balakleya. As well as with the Kyiv, Chernihiv and Sumy regions.

We must not forget Putin's statement on the very first day of the NMD: our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian lands.

[Boris Sergeev]

Actually, Liman since yesterday Russia

[Pavel73]

Who decided that? The population of Liman? Do you have any details on how it was?

[neworange88]

Quote: Pavel73

Who decided that? The population of Liman? Do you have any details on how it was?

Did you miss the Referendums and yesterday's historical day?

[Pavel73]

How did the referendum go in Liman? Are there any details?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Pavel73

How did the referendum go in Liman? Are there any details?

The fourth day of the referendum ended in Krasny Liman and Krasnolimansky district

Voting in the liberated territory took place within 4 days, in order to ensure the safety of the referendum participants, it was held not at polling stations, but in the adjacent territories. Krasnolimantsy actively showed their position, thereby proving that our future is only with Russia!

https://dnr-news.ru/society/2022/09/26/119438.html

[Alexei]

Quote: Pavel73

If Liman was hoarded for a whole week, messages came from there, one more disturbing than the other, but in the end they left him, this means only one thing: it was intended that way.

I wrote two weeks ago that ours will gradually surrender territories and wait for the leaves to fall. Then they will begin to grind the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with our aviation. And there they have mobilization again, again the supply of weapons ... Still, in chocolate. Our tactfully regroup, the enemy suffers losses. They generally have the Russian army running. From the West, under such news, weapons are being driven, and arms manufacturers are rubbing their hands. And I was downvoted for this point of view.

[Gardamir]

grind the reserves of the Armed Forces

I don't have text but video.

[Pavel73]

Ours will gradually surrender territories, the majority of whose population does not perceive us as their own, as defenders and liberators. And it was definitely possible to find out only by going to these territories. Is it really that hard to understand? Why do we need territories whose population will spit in our backs, and it’s even better if we don’t shoot?

[Igool]

Quote: Alexej

Then they will begin to grind the reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with our aviation.

In light of the fact that NATO is strengthening Ukraine's air defense at the expense of NASAMS and the German IRIS-T, then aviation, as it flew cautiously, will continue to fly cautiously. Therefore, mass air strikes should not be expected. Until we knock out their air defense, the flights will be in the same mode.

[Igool]

Quote: Pavel73

We must not forget Putin's statement on the very first day of the NMD: our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian lands.

We remember that, and not only that. Well, bad luck, but what about denazification, one of the main conditions for the start of the operation? Are you absolutely sure that all these withdrawals of troops were previously planned? I'm afraid to disappoint you, but most of them were forced not to lose fighters.

[Alemax]

Probably as a Chechen, he is very disappointed

I'm not a Chechen, but I'm also very disappointed, I guess.

[Silver99]

How tired of this hypocrisy ((((Why doesn’t the army fight according to all the rules of military science? In any war, day and night, the infrastructure and the high command are first of all destroyed, and not chasing field sixes along the pits (((As I understand now with the time of Stalin , and these were not repressions, but the destruction of the enemies of the people in the Red Army. To replace the mediocrity, as after it fell, a new growth of those who learned to fight, and not one and the soldiers receive titles on the blood. Kadyrov, you're right!!!!!!

[Herman 4223]

Think right. But war is also a purge, it cannot stand holeless and traitors. So everything will be fine!

[Living7111972]

The army fought well and the commanders were different.

[FoBoss_V]

I completely agree . If the political leadership and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation fought for the result, inflicting blows and damage to the enemy according to all the canons of military science from thermal power plants, ps, railway stations and bridges to clusters of "more than three people", if they saw how issues were quickly resolved in the rear to provide equipment and bk, how work on mistakes would be done, and those responsible for disruptions and sabotage would be punished by law, then now there would not be even a hundredth of those problems with mobilization. People would see and know that the army is commanded by real patriots and the leadership in the Kremlin seeks to capitulate Ukraine as soon as possible. And they would go with a calm heart and a pure soul for hangings. But people see lies, betrayal, embezzlement, connivance and protecting their own, people understand that they are being held for a stupid herd thinking that at the front we have everything as the gherkins say and the loss of 5900 people (although the same Lapin in June, demanding mobilization, said that there were 25 units left -30% of the full-time personnel) one can only imagine what the true losses of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation are .... So people are fleeing not from battles, but from mediocrity and traitors

[Ranis]

We don't have modern Western technologies and we don't have modern weapons. The industry is not developed.

[Mazunga]

Ramzan Akhmatovich, please become our Minister of Defense, or even to Rostov, it’s so close to level the front line

[Reptiloid]

Quote from Mazunga

Ramzan Akhmatovich, please become our Minister of Defense

... and there it’s not far to the Supreme.

[Mazunga]

of course, the builder-party functionary is more competent, but I still lean towards the emir who himself ran around with a gun

[saigon]

Oh, the old tradition from the emirs to recruit command personnel.
It’s so little for you to list the generals and the Republic of Ingushetia and the Soviet era from different peoples of Russia.
You can start with the princes Yusupovs or there Mansteins and Minikhovs.

[Mazunga]

I’m just good at this, I’m from Tashkent)))

[Thrifty]

Aron, how many of these, as you called them "natives" commanded divisions and armies in the Great Patriotic War, and how professionally they beat the Nazis! So, you are more careful with comparisons, because the history of our country is against your opinion! !!

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Thrifty

Aron, how many of these, as you called them "natives" commanded divisions and armies in the Great Patriotic War, and how professionally they beat the Nazis! So, you are more careful with comparisons, because the history of our country is against your opinion! !!

A lot of. Only these were professional military men who, in the ranks of the Red Army, went through school from a soldier to a general. Many had academic backgrounds behind them. Kadyrov, on the other hand, is a petty king whose teip sided with Moscow and who was given an indulgence for maximum cruelty in the pacification of Chechnya.

[skeptic]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Kadyrov is a petty king whose teip sided with Moscow

The Jewish "kings", betrayed Christ, Kadyrov did not betray his people, but did everything so that there would be peace in Chechnya. So don't bother. "Judas" is not called to head the Russian Defense Ministry.

[Ryaruav]

Shame on you, Aaron, Kadyrov has the credentials of a candidate of sciences, and we note that they are no worse than those of Putin from the show of economic sciences, tell me why Comrade Stalin didn’t appropriate a damn thing from science, it’s just that he was not a petty Napoleon

[gsev]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Shame on you? Summon an illiterate, native emir

The blood of the peoples of the Caucasus flowed in the veins of both Bagration and Suvorov. Yermolov has a wife from the peoples of the Caucasus. Kadyrov is no worse.

[Terenin]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote from Mazunga

Ramzan Akhmatovich, please become our Minister of Defense, or even to Rostov, it’s so close to level the front line

Shame on you? Call on an illiterate, native emir to command the Russian army?

What is he ashamed of? As I understood from the flags, he asks Ramzan to become the Minister of Defense of some Western state.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Terenin

What is he ashamed of? As I understood from the flags, he asks Ramzan to become the Minister of Defense of some Western state.

For example Latvia and Lithuania.

[Konnick]

Call on an illiterate, native emir to command the Russian army?

And others are more worried about their positions than for the results of the SVO.

[Terenin]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Call on an illiterate, native emir to command the Russian army?

And can you explain what Ramzan's illiteracy is? Or blah blah again?
And, emir in some Muslim countries of the East and Africa is the title of ruler, prince.

[skeptic]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Shame on you? Call on an illiterate, native emir to command the Russian army?

This is better than the over-educated traitors to Russia.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Aron, better tell us why the Israeli specialists taught the Dnipro SBU "correct torture"?

[isv000]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Shame on you? Call on an illiterate, native emir to command the Russian army?

Well, then some people piled up postal carts with cans, replenishing the party cash desk and, then, Roosevelt rented a corner from him in Tehran ...

[Silver99]

But what, Golda Meir was a military man? or graduated from the General Staff Academy?

[My doctor]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Shame on you? Call on an illiterate, native emir to command the Russian army?

He is a citizen of Russia.

[Dimcor]

Come on, it’s still clear that Liman will be returned

[dmi.pris1]

Yes? Now at what cost? And Lapin is really partly guilty here. There are a huge number of commanders who are not professional.

[isv000]

Quote: dmi.pris

Yes? Now at what cost? And Lapin is really partly guilty here. There are a huge number of commanders who are not professional.

But Borodai in the army as a simple lieutenant, Strelkov was generally forbidden to stick out above what was permitted. A lot of commanders of all levels of the first wave where? They pushed it so that the commanders would not shine with their experience in front of the fathers?

[Dimcor]

Strelkov has long drunk his brains. With the same success, the first drunkard you meet at the kiosk can be equated with Strelkov.

[lopvlad]

Quote: isv000

Strelkov was generally forbidden to stick out above what was permitted.

I would like to see the great victories of Sterkov, otherwise the place in Slavinsk somehow doesn’t pull on victories.

[Dimcor]

Depends on the intensity of the fighting, I think Ukraine will surrender Liman back without a fight, preferring to retreat to Slavyansk / Kramatorsk.

[Living7111972]

They will raze it to the ground and that's it, believe me

[Earthwalker]

exactly. Right now, the news has gone that there is a fire in the area of ​​​​the airfield near the city of Belbek. Chet heap went all.

[Terenin]

Quote: Earth Walker

exactly. Right now, the news has gone that there is a fire in the area of ​​​​the airfield near the city of Belbek. Chet heap went all.

These are your CIPSO inform attacks.

“Extraordinary situation at Belbek airfield. According to rescuers, the plane skidded off the runway during landing and caught fire. Now fire brigades are working on the spot, ”explained Governor Razvozzhaev.

Read more at RBC:
https://www.rbc.ru/society/01/10/2022/633859d79a79474453420763

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Earth Walker

near the city of Belbek

Uh-huh near New Vasyukov .. I heard a ringing, but you don’t know where it is .. It’s better to sit silently .. The plane rolled out of the runway and fell off a cliff. Burned out. Belbek, the name of such a small river in Sevastopol. Therefore, the Belbek airfield .. The name Belbek; has Turkic roots, and in translation means "strong back".

[Mint Gingerbread]

In addition to the desire to go to the end and scold miscalculations, you also need a good education and experience. To fight once in local skirmishes and lead a large army, over a vast territory, are two different things. But sometimes he says the right thoughts, not veiled.

[Bayun]

In practice, it turned out that "groups and BTGs" are good only for a database with a much inferior enemy, like barmaley. In a classic war with an equal adversary, front-armies and deep-echeloned battle formations are indispensable.

Also, the economy should not be focused on "efficiency and competition", but on war.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote from Mazunga

Ramzan Akhmatovich, please become our Minister of Defense, or even to Rostov, it’s so close to level the front line

The Minister of Defense has an indirect relationship with the planning of the operation. And even to the assignment of general ranks and appointments. For the first there is a General Staff, for the second - the Supreme.

[AdAstra]

Then maybe this position should be abolished?

[isv000]

Quote from Mazunga

Ramzan Akhmatovich, please become our Minister of Defense, or even to Rostov, it’s so close to level the front line

So before Stalin-2.0, you can agree ...

[To state]

More than ever, a relevant phrase from the film Kin Dza Dza: "The government lives on another planet, dear."

[Yuriy77]

It is high time to introduce personal responsibility for failures in the MO. Even those who are guilty - we declare transferred to another job! Ugh - this lisping is pissing me off!

[Chem1st]

What did you mean? We don't leave ours! Somehow, the true meaning of this phrase is suddenly revealed ....

[Ural resident]

Quote: Yuri77

It is high time to introduce personal responsibility for failures in the MO. Even those who are guilty - we declare transferred to another job! Ugh - this lisping is pissing me off!

Their own - no, no. We keep this word "family", we don't touch our pests, and any doggies too, this is a memory, but the fact that they humiliate Russians everywhere, well, yes, this is secondary. The main "I" is so good .. in front of the mirror

[marat2016]

This will not happen, because the president is never to blame for anything.

[Andrey Moskvin]

He was not only not guilty, but there was no alternative to any decisions.

[Terenin]

Quote: Yuri77

It is high time to introduce personal responsibility for failures in the MO. Even those who are guilty - we declare transferred to another job! Ugh - this lisping is pissing me off!

Yes, I agree. They introduced criminal liability, for example, for non-fulfillment of the state defense order. And it should be the same here. Ineptly blew the battle, which means in a penal battalion or a bullet in his forehead.
How else? I agree to receive high state awards, but not to the penal battalion for failure?
In short, Lapin

[Quote Lavrov]

There were enough articles before that. The question is not the availability of articles, but the practice of application.

[gafovec]

The severity of Russia's laws is compensated by the optionality of their application.

[Maxim G]

Those. were there no Kadyrovites in Krasny Liman?

[Andrey VOV]

There were no yam, lnr, mobilized and parts of 20 armit

[Nickelium]

They are in Bakhmut and Soledar. And under Seversk it seems.

[Maxim G]

And there were no Kadyrovites in Izyum either...

[Vladimir_2U]

There is another assessment! From Rybar.

We read with regret the news about how the head of Chechnya, Ramazan Kadyrov, blamed (https://t.me/RKadyrov_95/2911) the collapse of the Liman Front on the commander of the Central Military District, Alexander Lapin, who was responsible for the defense in the Kharkov direction after the “regrouping ".

There is such a good proverb: "you can't jump above your head." And in this situation, it is absolutely applicable to Colonel General Alexander Lapin, who is regularly on the front line in the NVO zone.

I had a chance to face Lapin personally back in Syria, during the first capture of Palmyra. Before our eyes, the Russian general was dragging the Syrian caricatured military leaders to the front line by the collar, smashing radios on their heads when they could not report where their escaped troops were.

We can admit the idea that Lapin simply failed to cope with the unsuitable troops of the Western Military District.

This is the very personification of the proverb “You can’t jump above your head.”

In our country, with the exception of the 20th combined-arms army, the parade and demonstrative troops of the Western Military District turned out to be uncombat-ready.
Here there is the fault of both the personnel who lived in greenhouse conditions (to a lesser extent), and the commanders who cultivated these conditions and failed to adapt to modern realities (to a much greater extent guilty) - even at the cost of losses.

The "legendary" 1st Panzer Army both began its flight from the Kharkov region, and continued it, bringing down the front to the north-west of the Liman. And the power and strength of the "fire brigades" from other troops was not enough.

[Chronos]

It's good that there is a different point of view. But what about the transfer of the headquarters from Starobilsk and, most importantly, the departure of the commander himself to Luhansk (that is, he even left the headquarters)? Was it or wasn't it? Because it smells really bad. And ZVO really fails, unfortunately.

[igorka357]

And what? Now we have to wait for the Siberian divisions and the Far East again? What are the conclusions?

[Ivan Ivanov]

Taking into account the fact that Kadyrov reported to the top about weaknesses in specific areas and received an answer in the style of everything is OK.

[samarin1969]

The fisherman is the most adequate resource in his field. But here he was not convinced. Any impulsive person with a resource of power can "drag by the scruff of the neck" and "smash on the head". These qualities do not mean anything in the management of the army. If he got a "professional army", then it was necessary to raise this issue before the leadership in the most severe way. Until retirement. Yes, he was supposed to ruin the phone on Gerasimov's head!

[Ural resident]

Quote: samarin1969

The fisherman is the most adequate resource in his field. But here he was not convinced. Any impulsive person with a resource of power can "drag by the scruff of the neck" and "smash on the head". These qualities do not mean anything in the management of the army. If he got a "professional army", then it was necessary to raise this issue before the leadership in the most severe way. Until retirement. Yes, he was supposed to ruin the phone on Gerasimov's head!

Indeed, pulling by the collar is not a manifestation of military leadership talent. It turns out that he also Palmyra then ...

[Ivan Ivanov]

Again, what kind of unsuitable is it - untrained or unmotivated?

[Chronos]

Quote: IvanIvanov

Again, what kind of unsuitable is it - untrained or unmotivated?

Unmotivated. Unfortunately, there are units in the ZVO that almost without a fight leave their equipment and run.

[samarin1969]

Quote: IvanIvanov

Again, what kind of unsuitable is it - untrained or unmotivated?

Judging by the fragmentary information - enough of both. There are 500s, there are heroes. A lot has been written about big problems with discipline. A lot has been reported about losses due to indifference and gouging. So professionalism is mediocre. I don't know what you are implying. But if the country lives with concerts mixed with 200s, then the motivation will fall.

[cold wind]

I think both Kadyrov and Rybar are right.
The failures in the training of our troops are obvious, and in Syria, the Hymars were on our side. The desire of the generals not to approach the front closer than 100 km is understandable, especially after the destruction of several headquarters. By the way, the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kharkov region just began after the destruction of our headquarters. The troops did not understand at all what was happening and what to do. On the third day they came to their senses.

[Eva Star]

Rybar, like other military correspondents, is the mouthpiece of the Moscow Region, they will protect the generals as much as possible and justify their actions. But in fact, they lost Grocery, Kupyansk, Izyum, Krasny Liman, all this in less than a month, it’s funny to hear that the general has nothing to do with it, the amount of equipment donated to the enemy is especially impressive.

[isv000]

Quote from Eva Star

Rybar, like other military correspondents, is the mouthpiece of the Moscow Region, they will protect the generals as much as possible and justify their actions. But in fact, they lost Grocery, Kupyansk, Izyum, Krasny Liman, all this in less than a month, it’s funny to hear that the general has nothing to do with it, the amount of equipment donated to the enemy is especially impressive.

Krasny Liman is a Russian city, isn't it? When? For Russian cities? There will be one forgiveness for all efforts - this is if there is a lure into the Seversky hollows for disposal on already scorched earth, otherwise it is difficult to understand ...

[MMX]

Quote from Eva Star

Rybar, like other military correspondents, is the mouthpiece of the Moscow Region, they will protect the generals as much as possible and justify their actions. But in fact, they lost Grocery, Kupyansk, Izyum, Krasny Liman, all this in less than a month, it’s funny to hear that the general has nothing to do with it, the amount of equipment donated to the enemy is especially impressive.

All these Eddas, Rybari, Rozhins and other trash are ordinary propaganda aggregators sitting on the Kremlin's suck. I remember how three days after the fall of Balakleya they took water in their mouths and waited with the media for the EDG to pass.

[shm_kv]

About Rybar is not necessary. There, all the information was given out even earlier than here. I don't watch the rest. By the way, VO writes many articles based on this channel, and often cuts out criticism and excessive negativity.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: MMX

All these Eddas, Rybari, Rozhins and other trash are ordinary propaganda aggregators sitting on the Kremlin's suck.

And on whose suction such trash as you sit, do not tell me?

[Blackgrifon]

Quote from Eva Star

Rybar, like other military correspondents, is the mouthpiece of the Moscow Region, they will protect the generals as much as possible and justify their actions. But in fact, they lost Grocery, Kupyansk, Izyum, Krasny Liman, all this in less than a month, it’s funny to hear that the general has nothing to do with it, the amount of equipment donated to the enemy is especially impressive.

In fairness, but Rybar is hardly a "mouthpiece of the Moscow Region" - just pay attention that they never praised the generals, etc. Yes, and in their post they blame 1 TA among others.

[gafovec]

Most of them are in PERFECT condition. Our "elite guardsmen" did not bother to at least minimally disable the equipment entrusted to them. Either they regrouped too quickly, or they were CONSCIOUS actions. I don't even know which is better...

[Lex_is]

Here it is!

dragged by the scruff of the neck ... smashed radios on their heads ...

I just recognize the leadership style of my native MO.

And the blame, of course, is incompetent platoon and company commanders.
And about the Chernihiv heroic epic of the Lapin family will not be?

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

We can admit the idea that Lapin simply failed to cope with the unsuitable troops of the Western Military District.

Near Krasny Liman, Lapin entrusted the defense to mobilized soldiers from the LPR and other units [mainly fighters from the LARs], but he did not take care of supplying this group with communications equipment, ammunition, and interaction was not properly organized.

I’ll trust Kadyrov more here, a person who is in the know, rather than a telegram channel whose task is to smear the Moscow Region and Lapin in particular (the command came from above?) .... even if there is some truth here, then the commander is in any case responsible, for the mistakes made at the beginning on the Kharkiv, and then on the Limansky direction.

Yes, and early General Staff Gerasimov is also, in theory, time to demote to the rank and file, for the results of the modernization of the RF Armed Forces and its effectiveness, in the course of the SVO, and all those involved in these "successes".

[Konnick]

I had a chance to face Lapin personally back in Syria, during the first capture of Palmyra. Before our eyes, the Russian general was dragging the Syrian caricatured military leaders to the front line by the collar, smashing radios on their heads when they could not report where their escaped troops were.

What? The fisherman was at the forefront? Yes, even with all the generals ... I do not believe it. The fisherman is still a talker. Now let Lapin smash the radio over his head.
Now about the message of Rybar, he writes about the first capture of Palmyra, and here the escaped Syrian troops, who escaped much later, after Gergiev's concert.
?

[Chronos]

Quote: Konnick

I had a chance to face Lapin personally back in Syria, during the first capture of Palmyra. Before our eyes, the Russian general was dragging the Syrian caricatured military leaders to the front line by the collar, smashing radios on their heads when they could not report where their escaped troops were.

What? The fisherman was at the forefront? Yes, even with all the generals ... I do not believe it. The fisherman is still a talker. Now let Lapin smash the radio over his head.
Now about the message of Rybar, he writes about the first capture of Palmyra, and here the escaped Syrian troops, who escaped much later, after Gergiev's concert.
?

Well, the well-known RIA Novosti military commander Kharchenko also speaks positively about Lapin based on personal impressions, including on the front line. I will not copy here, a lot. TG channel Witnesses of Bayraktar. You can take a look.

[gafovec]

Yeah. He wrote that General Lapin personally drove some kind of DRG. Was there nothing else for him (Lapin) to do?

[jdiver]

Now let Lapin smash the radio over his head.

There are problems with communications in the troops, and here you are proposing to break walkie-talkies about hemp ...

[parusnik]

Yesterday there was a parade in Izyum, today a flag in Liman, and what tomorrow? Everything would be fine if it weren't so bad

Do not subtract, not add.

[MrFYGY]

Now I understand 38 years. Stalin was right

[Pulkovo1942]

A serious post was written by Kadyrov. Almost a direct accusation, the first pebble of a grandiose landslide. Now many "generals" will begin to pile on each other, throwing off responsibility. It's not just about the military.

[MrFYGY]

The main surname is not Lapin. And Zusko with his relatives in Kyiv

[Pulkovo1942]

And Zusko with his relatives in Kyiv

Zusko and his relatives in Kyiv are also to blame for the fact that the enemy has had a whole infrastructure for seven months now that allows them to transfer equipment and personnel over a thousand kilometers? Or does the fish still rot from the head?

[Terenin]

Quote: Pulkovo1942

And Zusko with his relatives in Kyiv

Zusko and his relatives in Kyiv are also to blame for the fact that the enemy has had a whole infrastructure for seven months now that allows them to transfer equipment and personnel over a thousand kilometers? Or does the fish still rot from the head?

It is not excluded.
The Ukrainian lobby is very strong in the leadership of the Russian Federation. More from Soviet times.

[isv000]

Quote: MrFYGY

The main surname is not Lapin. And Zusko with his relatives in Kyiv

Again?! It seems that you have sorted out the slander against the officer, and you again decided to anoint his name with lard?! In vain you are so ... Would you go ... to the military registration and enlistment office, or something ...

[the same doctor]

Absolutely right. The goals of any war can only be achieved by destroying the enemy army. Any mercy to the enemy is death for one's own.
.
However, by shutting off the gas on February 22, we would have achieved our goals without a war and in a week. Today, even cutting off the gas for six months, it is not a fact that we will achieve something. In a year, the EU will not care about our supplies.
Interestingly, Miller, with its record prices, covers at least a tenth of the losses from the war, sanctions, confiscations. losses from pipeline explosions? Or who there decided the issue of continuing deliveries after February? Whom to curse for the deaths of our children?

[tralflot1832]

Miller has earned 2 trillion 400 billion rubles in net profit since the beginning of the year, there are no complaints against him. And the state, as the main shareholder, does not give him mercy. There, astronomical money goes to the budget.

[gafovec]

Only the severance tax and income tax, in my opinion. Did our national treasure decide not to pay dividends for the past?

[tralflot1832]

The state will not let its own. You have incorrect information, they took it from the profits with a twist. See Gazprom's reports, they are freely available ..

[donavi49]

So, in February, they hoped once or twice, to roll up a couple of battalions of Bandero-Nazis and win! Western partners will splurge and begin to slowly roll back sanctions, buy gas trucks, and then Nord Stream 2 will be launched without certification in April.

Then they hoped that just about a little more, well, another month of pressure and that's it.

And now everything is already there, including the northern stream, which is also everything. In December, serious sanctions on oil and transportation will begin to work. 23 years even officially a crisis budget with a deficit of 2% of GDP, which they were going to cover with loans (I wonder where - the IMF and the Americans will not give it, and Uncle Xi gives credit very cunningly, and it’s not a fact that Uncle Xi will be in 23, there confusion-reeling in the party).

In the tightened SVO lies a weapon of mass destruction in the form of an empty refrigerator. Over time, support falls, even faster it falls if there is little good news, and with the lowering of the refrigerator, a revolution occurs.

[tralflot1832]

You somehow forget that we have the National Welfare Fund, in which, as of September of this year, 8 trillion rubles of highly liquid assets. With oil, the West will get into trouble. We ourselves produce food and warm up. But if an international crisis breaks out, yes. But it will be easier for us, since the enemies have isolated themselves from us. How do you imagine that a nuclear country will lose when we have everything. 90 when the communists bankrupted the country. And then only the period 1992 - 1993 was difficult for me. But the mouse did not hang in the refrigerator.

[Negro]

Quote: tralflot1832

You somehow forget that we have the National Welfare Fund, in which, as of September of this year, 8 trillion rubles of highly liquid assets

On paper.

Quote: tralflot1832

Sovcomflot, calmly works with its tankers, insuring itself with a Russian insurer

One signature - and in no desk with this insurance it will not be accepted. However, in this part we saw amazing maneuvers of partners.

Quote: tralflot1832

To eat and keep warm, we ourselves produce.

)))
A lot of new things are waiting for you.

[tralflot1832]

They are already working, I’m talking about Sovcomflot. Although they were laid up and precisely because of insurances .. About paper, the NWF is not only in the paper of some countries, but also in real gold. The NWF is used to support Russian companies and is well used.

[jdiver]

The NWF is that little moneybox where our government, under an agreement with partners, put money in order to God forbid not to let it go to develop the economy and then the partners would take it away? It was a great idea, a wonderful and useful tool. It has already helped us in development (no) it will help, and even if traitors continue to be promoted, rewarded and reappointed to positions.

[gafovec]

FNB not under sanctions? It seems to be almost 100 percent in dollars and euros, isn't it?

[tralflot1832]

First, familiarize yourself with how the FNB works, and then spread panicky information. You are completely unaware of this issue.

[Negro]

Quote: donavi49

and with the lowering of the refrigerator comes a revolution.

Not a fact, and in any case not immediately. See Rutabaga Winter.

Quote: donavi49

And now everything is already there, including the northern stream, which is also everything.

For some patriots who are forced to look like the sane (such as Kramnik) for some time now, the main motive is that the overseas masters are about to get tired / scared. There is nothing more to please the audience.

Looks pretty comical, to say the least.

[AdAstra]

Will he resurrect the dead? """""

[Valter1364]

Bring back Strelkov! It will be more useful at the front with him.

[Monster_Fat]

Absolutely right, Strelkova is in charge of the operation! He is simply needed there! Everything is going exactly according to the scenario according to which he predicted back in March! Then he was called here at VO an alarmist and an all-weather going across the geniuses of the General Staff with golden stars. So what? He was absolutely right! Now only he and people like him can fix the situation!

[Ural resident]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Absolutely right, Strelkova is in charge of the operation! He is simply needed there! Everything is going exactly according to the scenario according to which he predicted back in March! Then he was called here at VO an alarmist and an all-weather going across the geniuses of the General Staff with golden stars. So what? He was absolutely right! Now only he and people like him can fix the situation!

back in March 2014

[isv000]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Absolutely right, Strelkova is in charge of the operation! He is simply needed there! Everything is going exactly according to the scenario according to which he predicted back in March! Then he was called here at VO an alarmist and an all-weather going across the geniuses of the General Staff with golden stars. So what? He was absolutely right! Now only he and people like him can fix the situation!

With Borodai, the same rigmarole - he left the State Duma for the front - is fighting well, but it is not clear who is on the front line. When will we stop hammering nails with laptops?! Strelkov, for the defense of Slavyansk and the preservation of people during the withdrawal, already needs a star on his chest, but no, they are marinating ... But a whole FSB colonel, not a hell of a dog!

[Adrey]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Everything is going exactly according to the scenario according to which he predicted back in March!

Well, for many who are "friends with their heads" it was already clear then.

Quote: Monster_Fat

Now only he and people like him can fix the situation!

Come on!?
First: Where are these people to be found? Cleaned them up a lot.
Secondly: Even if they find and put them in, they need to be given certain powers, and not small ones, respectively, of the situation. How is that possible!?
Thirdly: And where to put them then? Well, then how do you not drive into a corner?
So your wrong thoughts. talk apolitically

[MikMikls]

Strelkov in his cart, writes that the withdrawal from Liman was inevitable, otherwise the boiler. And the military commander Lisitsyn (permanently at the forefront), says that from Liman och. Lisichansk and Severodonetsk are well shot through, and the capture of Liman is the support of the West.

[Million]

Until representatives of Mo and the General Staff sit in the trenches, there will be no victories.
So in general, you can lose everything, with such commanders as Lapin.

[MrFYGY]

Arrows are being transferred to Lapin, look for information about Zusko.

[Million]

Maybe so. Kadyrov has more information about what is happening there.

[AdAstra]

Better yet, their children, grandchildren, nephews, sons-in-law.

[Leshak]

I fully agree with every word of Kadyrov! I think this time, he will be heard and conclusions will follow.

[AdAstra]

Yeah, but before that they don’t remember what happened, you can see the memory like that of a goldfish. And conclusions, yes, of course, will follow ... (Laughter through tears)

[Prax1]

You can minus the guys as much as you like, but it's time to use tactical nuclear weapons, and it is necessary to drown for these funds. Stop looking at the reaction of the West. Too much is at stake. It is necessary to use everything that is possible - tiao, phosphorus, napalm. It’s as if we are not at war with Ukraine for a minute. In war, all means are good

[Leshy1975]

Quote: Prax1

You can minus the guys as much as you like, but it's time to use tactical nuclear weapons, and it is necessary to drown for these funds. Stop looking at the reaction of the West. Too much is at stake. It is necessary to use everything that is possible - tiao, phosphorus, napalm. It’s as if we are not at war with Ukraine for a minute. In war, all means are good

Well, that's right. Today we issue passports and hold referendums, and tomorrow, in these territories (or, for example, in Odessa) with a vigorous head. The Lord knows his own. The question really remains: from the unsuitability of the generals, will the use of nuclear weapons also help? Where will we go in this case?

PS I don’t know how from the guys, but I deserved a minus from me. Tsipso?

[Prax1]

I didn’t talk about the territories of the LDNR, but for the rest, the central and western parts, it is necessary to iron the tiao right now. It will come to this anyway. There will be no nuclear response to NATO 100%

[Adrey]

Quote: Leshy1975

PS I don’t know how from the guys, but I deserved a minus from me. Tsipso?

Of course. Don't feed the enemy troll

[seacap]

Quote: Prax1

You can minus the guys as much as you like, but it's time to use tactical nuclear weapons, and it is necessary to drown for these funds. Stop looking at the reaction of the West. Too much is at stake. It is necessary to use everything that is possible - tiao, phosphorus, napalm. It’s as if we are not at war with Ukraine for a minute. In war, all means are good

In our country, modern conventional means of destruction are in no way inferior to tactical nuclear weapons in terms of fire impact, and in many respects they surpass it. Therefore, it makes no sense to use nuclear weapons, and even on its own territory, because. taking into account the fact that their own units and subunits are not ready for this and do not have experience in operating in such conditions. But to fight not according to the example of the Western tactics of the expeditionary forces, but according to the "adult" continental army with divisions and army corps, as it should be historically on Russian soil for a long time, from the very beginning. But for this, the question arises of the need for the experience of the Soviet Army, i.e. something that they so recklessly got rid of in the days of "Serdyukovism", destroying the command staff and the military school then, adjusting everything to Hollywood.

[Victor Leningradets]

You are right, but you will not be supported.
And the use of nuclear weapons is generally a higher art, inaccessible to underage from the General Staff.

[shm_kv]

You can simply destroy the infrastructure and TNW is not required.

[tatarin1972]

What's this? How can it be called? Betrayal? Cowardice? Incompetence? Who is in charge of our army?

[Earthwalker]

Well, if we consider the Minister of Defense, then the "jacket" did not serve in the army. Another call sign is "Plywood Marshal".

[tatarin1972]

With an urgent it is clear, now what is he doing, serving or present ???

[Earthwalker]

Yes xs, rather the second. Well, he is responsible for all sorts of army games and forums.

[Bayun]

There is nothing wrong when experienced managers join STAVKA and, listening to military PROFESSIONALS, make balanced political and military-strategic decisions.

But in fact, politicians command (!) the military. And it won't end well.

[tatarin1972]

Managers should not wear shoulder straps. And if they wear, then let them deign to comply.

[Bayun]

So the servants of the Secret Police - nishisha are not the estate of the Rulers. But in fact it is now. They are not Warriors, but they control warriors ...

Does anyone in Russia think about it? I don't think. And the shaitan - just something and business - to place smart honest people in ANOTHER places! And there will be what is...

[Ryaruav]

Tatar, ignoramuses and clumsies lead Russia and this is our misfortune

[Pytnik]

Whoever has telegrams, read the fisherman, otherwise everyone has a lot of emotions, it’s not only the fault of the commander

[Earthwalker]

Well, after reading Rybar it becomes even more disturbing. From his words, it turns out that our entire ZVO turns out to be unsuitable for professional purposes.

[ALARI]

And that he writes that no one is to blame. Palmyra blah blah blah, I met him blah blah blah. There, because of mediocre command, people die for a pinch of tobacco, and he justifies the star-bearers. Then only mat.

[paul3390]

Let's put Kadyrov on top? Well, Comrade Stalin was also never a Slav. For this one is at least ready to really fight until victory. And force others. And not endlessly menacingly frown and promise uzhaaasny answer to all enemies .. How long can this disgrace even continue? We still laughed at Zelensky - remember?

[Andrey VOV]

Zelensky does not command, this is clear to everyone, fools are sitting in the main army of Ukraine, plus the Americans and the British, plus there is a lot of cannon fodder

[AdAstra]

We remember how not to remember and they threatened Nata with a slipper that if we repeat before Berlin (well, at least they threatened), but here, after all, bad luck with the army of alcoholics, etc. and so on, something went wrong with the "second" (they do not treat privates, sergeants, foremen, officers at the forefront as they are - the first).

[TatarinSSSR]

Something smacks of turmoil on Russian soil. The highest ranks of the military are engaged in frank sabotage of the royal decrees or are stupid to the shame of the shameless.

[hector]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

Something smacks of turmoil on Russian soil. The highest ranks of the military are engaged in frank sabotage of the royal decrees or are stupid to the shame of the shameless.

This week, at Solovyov's party, Vadim Gigin from Belarus said that a revolutionary situation was brewing in Russia, explained and warned that measures must already be taken or it would be too late.

[Chem1st]

In-in, exactly the First World War, 1916. Can we repeat?

[isv000]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

Something smacks of turmoil on Russian soil. The highest ranks of the military are engaged in frank sabotage of the royal decrees or are stupid to the shame of the shameless.

Or maybe this is the plan after all? To drag more villains under Seversk and fry them there, on empty lands? Or not?...

[TatarinSSSR]

There was also a plan near Kyiv... Was there a plan near Kharkov? These plans led to the loss of the territories liberated by the blood of the military and civilians. Throwing the citizens of these lands who believed us into genocide. Leaving the enemy with a sea of ​​equipment and bp. To the partial mobilization of civilians ... Now apparently the same plan ...

[Lex_is]

Of course the plan. Only not under Seversk and Kalmykia. There will be more room for frying.

[Bayun]

The secret police are not the estate of the Rulers, hence the political and geopolitical mistakes. She is also not well versed in military aspects and instead of creating the Headquarters of the Supreme, she continues to give direct erroneous orders.

The ersatz schemes of the authorities somehow worked with bureaucrats and traders. In the war - will not work ...

The king needs to remove the prefix IO, transform the "provisional government" into a permanent one and force everyone to do their own business! And, here, for coercion, the Secret Police will be in full service.

It is still not too late to organize a "strict but fair" order in Russia. But time is running out...

[Atmospheric QUEEN]

The Supreme should be ashamed of such command.

[aglet]

"The Supreme should be ashamed of such command."
and he is in the house, what is it to him?

[TatarinSSSR]

And the fact that one day whole divisions of the military betrayed by multi-movers can drive up to this house and send guns to the house.

[aglet]

yes, right now, this has never happened, neither in 91, nor in 93, nor in 95. and now they will not drive up. and the National Guard will not let

[AdAstra]

I think in time for slippers. """"

[Lex_is]

Can not. They will rise again, unable to calculate the need for fuel on the march.

[neworange88]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

And the fact that one day whole divisions of the military betrayed by multi-movers can drive up to this house and send guns to the house.

APU officers on abandoned Russian military equipment or what? Well, it doesn’t look so fantastic anymore, judging by recent events.

[odometer]

Well, it’s in vain about nuclear ... Its use will be the greatest shame for Russia. It was in this situation, in the conditions of the North-Eastern Military District or even the war with Ukraine ...

[Dartanian]

What's shameful? There is a target for the same tunnel in western Ukraine, what a shame to strike at it and close it once and for all?

[aglet]

"And what's shameful? There is a target for the same tunnel in western Ukraine. What is a shame to strike at it and close it once and for all?"
it will be a shame when they miss the tunnel. you can destroy it with conventional weapons, but aim for a long time

[Monster_Fat]

"Shame" ... "Shame" began from the very beginning, with a "negative offensive" against Kyiv. It's just that no one wanted and does not want to notice. We thought that we would retreat to convenient lines, and then, ka-a-ak, we would hit! They hit...

[Victor Leningradets]

Much more decent to bring to a full-scale NATO attack on Russia. The predators have already seen our weakness and smelled the blood.

[Eva Star]

Had it been my will, Kadyrov and Prigozhin would have been commanders-in-chief. That's how Russia holds it up dibilism or betrayal. Russia is heading for defeat, mobilization with poor command is just meat. How long can we expect strikes on electricity, gas and communications? How about infrastructure? It is impossible to win in white gloves, especially since the enemy plays as dirty as possible. Today, Russian cities are already being shelled, where is the response?

[paul3390]

Painfully reminiscent of Russian-Japanese ..

[marat2016]

Rather, 1 MV, in the Russian-Japanese the main role was played by the fleet, which, in fact, lost it.

[St54]

The fleet did not lose the war. The fleet lost to Tsushima.

[ALARI]

The fleet after Tsushima ceased to exist.

[marat2016]

Well, not really, there was also a squadron in Port A. and cruisers in Vladivostok.

[ALARI]

Well, you understand, after Tsushima, the Japanese retained all their battleships and armored cruisers (albeit beaten), then there are a lot of very many against ours. Yes, and courage after the victory is worth a lot.

[marat2016]

Before Tsushima, there was something to give the Japanese problems, it's a pity Makarov died. I wonder if it could have happened differently...

[gafovec]

The ships in Port Arthur were either sunk themselves or surrendered. Some (in very small numbers) managed to break into neutral ports and stand there DISARMED.

[marat2016]

This is equivalent, since the fleet no longer had other forces in the theater of operations.

[paul3390]

Come on - in Manchuria the defeat was no less .. Actually - if not for this, the victory at sea would not have helped the Japanese very much ..

[marat2016]

1. This is debatable. 2. Unlike the fleet, the resources for the ground forces of the Republic of Ingushetia and Japan were still not comparable, the issue is logistics.

[ALARI]

Rather Finnish, they also wanted to throw slippers there. After that, the term spike on clay feet arose, what happened next, you know.

[Piramidon]

Quote from Eva Star

If it were my will, Kadyrov and Prigozhin would already be commanders-in-chief

Writing articles in a telegram channel, even the most correct ones, and actually managing the troops and their actions are two big differences. Even here, in VO, there are many advisers who know how to fight, but if you send them to the front line, many will not even be able to control themselves. From the outside it always seems easier.

[TatarinSSSR]

The usual manual to justify the unprofessionalism and mediocrity of senior military officials.

[Piramidon]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

Habitual training manual

And what's with the "method"? Learned an interesting word, liked it, and began to insert it into the comments to the place and out of place, not understanding its meaning?

[TatarinSSSR]

And despite the fact that he was tired of listening to excuses and poking his nose - they say, how would he command? If I were the commander, then they would have looked and judged according to their deeds. Now the commanders are different and the whole world sees the result of their command. If a worker makes a marriage from time to time, he is demoted or fired, sometimes deducting damage from his salary. Why shouldn't the general also be held responsible? The price of his marriage is the lives of military and civilians, the loss of territories conquered with blood!

[shm_kv]

So they manage, only their parts. "Musicians" are now the only ones who attack at all. The rest are only defending and not very successfully.

[Monster_Fat]

Well, there seems to be no one to choose from. We cleared out uncomfortable professionals who demand the truth and everyday work not only from the lower ones, but also from the higher ones. Cleaned up for the sake of sycophants and careerists who know how to draw and bring to the authorities a "beautiful", "desired" "picture". Moreover, this "picture" continues to be created, despite the fact that only the blind and deaf cannot see what is happening ...

[Lex_is]

Can I have the names of those "cleared" great professionals?
And then I just somehow do not remember who we cleaned out.

[AdAstra]

Therefore, no, they cleaned it up. ""

[Lex_is]

And their names were forever erased from human memory?

And their great works of tactics and strategy were burned so that people would not see them?

[AdAstra]

Well, if you are a talented lieutenant, captain, major and you are already being cleared out on the way, who will have time to find out the name and what kind of works will they have time to write?

[Lex_is]

So, if you didn't do anything, why did you get the idea that you are talented and a professional?
Talent must show up in some way.

For more details about

demanding truth and everyday work not only from the lower ones, but also from the higher ones.

lieutenants and captains?
I have not seen anything like this in ten years, although I have been both.

Negative selection in the system is not at all the same as sweeps.

[AdAstra]

And I saw such people, but they ride on them and don’t let them go up, but if they get to the top, then they are squeezed out, otherwise some of them are not ice at all against their background.

[Lex_is]

Where did you see it? I hope in the army itself, from the inside, being in the position of company commander?

Can you give more details about this amazing phenomenon with examples of the demand for truth and everyday work from superiors?

[AdAstra]

Not in MO, but in another, but also starts with M.

[Lex_is]

Very exciting.
Those. you tell me how talented lieutenants and captains are cleared in the Moscow Region, and that you personally know lieutenants and captains who demand to make their direct superiors work, and as soon as I ask for a specific example, you immediately begin to talk about the fact that you are not in the army, but in which then M (MMM, MGU, MTS, MTV?)

Well, what is it called?

[AdAstra]

My mistake, I didn’t say that by analogy, but our ministries are smeared with one world and that in one and the other.

[Terenin]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Well, there seems to be no one to choose from. We cleared out uncomfortable professionals who demand the truth and everyday work not only from the lower ones, but also from the higher ones. Cleaned up for the sake of sycophants and careerists who know how to draw and bring to the authorities a "beautiful", "desired" "picture". Moreover, this "picture" continues to be created, despite the fact that only the blind and deaf cannot see what is happening ...

Here is the boomerang

Quote: Monster_Fat

sycophants and careerists who know how to draw and present to the authorities a "beautiful", "desired" "picture"

and returns to those who appointed them.

[Ryaruav]

Eva, they are not military pros, but right now Russia needs competent, experienced top-level military

[Tatyana Makarova]

And A. Dyumin? He is a military general. Alexey Gennadievich Dyumin headed the Special Operations Forces.

[ohka]

Krasny Liman since yesterday Russian (Russian) city

[Victor Leningradets]

Eva, please specify on whose electricity and connection you are waiting for the blows. Our gas has already been hit.

[AdAstra]

Do not worry now, when 300k mobilized people arrive, and even then ...

[ZAV69]

Ramzan Akhmetovich fired not in the eyebrow but in the eye.

[AdAstra]

Well, where is Comrade Gonzalez and others? Let him say something strong and explain that everything is not so bad, but even very good.

[Tatyana Makarova]

Yes, what is it? After all, they remembered him) Of course, he is an emotional person, but his emotions are "correct". And most importantly, as he wrote yesterday, that "he loves Russia to the point of pain of the heart." Whatever Russia may be, but this is his homeland. Can others say so?
You're miserable,
You're plentiful,
You and the mighty,
You and impotent
Mother Russia!

Saved in slavery
Free heart -
Gold gold
The heart of the people!

The power of the people
Power is mighty -
Conscience is calm,
True tenacious!

Force with untruth
Does not get along
The victim is not true
Not called, -

Russia does not stir,
Russia - as killed!
And it burned in her
Hidden spark, -

They got up - not bugged,
Came out - not asked
Live by grain
Mountains are applied!

The host rises -
Uncountable!
The power in it will affect
Indestructible!

You're miserable,
You're plentiful,
You and the downtrodden,
You and omnipotent
Mother Russia!

[newtc7]

Thanks to Kadyrov for these words. It seems that he is the only person in power who can tell the truth.

[AAK]

It’s not only Lyman here, but in various public pages, a significant fire is reported with a photo on the territory of the Belbek airfield near Sevastopol, earlier Ukrainian UAVs tried to fly there several times, but they were shot down by air defense, in this case, they probably didn’t shoot down ...

[cold wind]

I think everything is easier and you should trust the governor. I did not see anything critical in the video.

The governor of Sevastopol announced an emergency situation at the Belbek airfield: a military aircraft rolled out of the runway and caught fire, detonated ammunition

[Andrey VOV]

Let's attribute any fire to the actions of the enemy

[igorka357]

The plane rolled out over the runway only, but the car was lost ..

[Tim]

[/ quote] In this regard, he turned to the head of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov, but he assured him that Lapin had a talent for leadership and would not allow a retreat [quote]

There is no need to guess here, the head of the General Staff Gerasimov and Lapin are fellow countrymen from the same region, therefore he was promoted and put in this position, then, dear comrades, draw your own conclusions.

[Rage66]

At least someone is telling the truth. The rest agree with the supreme and emchesnik

[ketanov1980]

Kadyrov is right. Either we start fighting as expected (to drive Ukraine into the Stone Age) or it was not worth starting. Now they have called men from civilians who have wives and children. If we pity the Ukrainians, then don't care about ours. War is not a time for sentiment. The one who is more firm (sometimes cruel) wins.

[Dartanian]

Unfortunately, our army is not able to conduct a modern battle due to several reasons, in my opinion, the philistine
1. wrong goals
2. ceremonial general sycophants
3. insufficient contingent
4. The existing contingent is not equipped with either the appropriate weapons or ammunition, this is primarily the troops of the DPR, LPR
5. apparently it doesn’t reach some at the top what will follow the tradition of leveling the front
All this is fixable, but where is the fix?

[Blackgrifon]

Quote from Dartanyan

Unfortunately, our army is not able to conduct a modern battle due to several reasons, in my opinion, the philistine

In fact, our army occupied Zaporozhye and Kherson in a matter of days. And repulsed the counterattack in Kherson without much loss. So because of one insulting defeat, shouting "karaulll!" early. We need to understand why in the south and east ours hold on and do not retreat, but in the north there are problems. And then solve these problems. And, of course, we must look for the culprits.

[Dartanian]

The fact of the matter is that in the beginning successes with a good pace, what happened now?!? It is clear that Ukraine took retaliatory actions and trained and armed its troops + NATO intelligence, etc. This is not the only reason, there are others, and it seems to me that they are in our General Staff, there is no skill :(

[Sergei V]

Part of the Zaporozhye region and Kherson, they occupied in the early days, when the Su simply went north

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Sergey V

su just went north

So "left" that there are a bunch of videos with burned-out columns of vfu ... In August-September, the Sumerians also "left" in the Kherson region? It is not necessary to wishful thinking, the fact that there are problems in the north is a fact, then that in the south - some of these problems do not exist - is also a fact.

[seacap]

Quote: Mint Gingerbread

I do not argue, but then the age and position were different.

Most importantly, then the type of b / d was fundamentally different, the conditions were completely different. But the meaning of what was said is completely different, the personnel policy in the country, the irresponsibility and incompetence of the leadership.

[Plowman]

Shoigu is responsible for these losses, as well as for many other positions in the troops. But, will the heroes have the courage to admit their mistakes ....

[kuztoday]

This can only happen in the rotten west: the Cabinet of Ministers stands up and the whole team resigns. Our people are sitting and barraging their shnyaga: “everything is according to plan,” it was intended to be: drown the Moscow, hand over the Zmeiny, hand over the thugs of Azov, hand over the mercenaries, hand over Izyum, Kupyansk ...

[mgb250]

How long will "parquet" generals command combat units? Disgrace!...

[lets-true]

and where are all his thousands of thugs then? How many of them have he already sent to the zone of his own - tens of thousands, where is all this herd of monkeys? In Kherson, DRGs go to bars? If such a figure, well, go with your Apty Alautdinov to the direction of the offensive of the dill and show it with deed. Lying spetsnaz. Dills act in mobile small groups, well, let the beasts act against them as well. If they can.

[gsev]

Quote from lets-true

well, go with your Apty Alautdinov to the direction of the dill offensive and show it by deed.

The Ukrainians are hitting the weak points of the Russian defense, where there are no units of the Chechen army. Chechens from the population of Russia are only 3% of the population. Ukrainians seem to bear more than 10% of losses from the Chechen army.

[AdAstra]

And what kind of Chechen army is this? """"

[opuonmed]

I have such a big question why the Russian Federation does not destroy the rear of the enemy and does not destroy the infrastructure? with impunity, he transfers his troops from one line of front to another ??????????????????????????? or stupid as the Americans used to say or just enemies

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Probably because he does not know where, does not assume when, does not know what and does not understand why!

[ALARI]

So this is the loot, and it can be squeezed out. Ruins do not bring money.

[opuonmed]

Well, then someone will destroy people and possibly the army!

[ALARI]

These people have other moral values, like viruses that destroy the host organism.

[opuonmed]

so they are stupid people! you can simply destroy and win and rebuild again! but you can destroy people and fall into obscurity until the moment when they are already being destroyed!

[kuztoday]

Isn't our president doing something stupid already? Is it really impossible to give up all these Novgorods, trips to the SCO and sit down with cards and smart people and control only the war every day. How is it with the mobilized, who teaches them what they eat and what they wear? Every day I would go with checks to the training grounds, in part, I would personally check everything myself .. let Mishustin work there and everyone else on current affairs .. And you take care of the war once you started it, in the end, is it really not clear ??? ??? Do you need to control everything yourself? This idiocy is already in the liver. And people are collecting money to buy clothes for mobs..what a shame.

[huntsman650]

https://youtu.be/Dt0Ja6BIPzM
here is the full schedule!

[Vladimir Michailovich]

Why is this Kholmogorov, who drowns for mobilization, not yet in the ranks of the RF Armed Forces?

[Sergei V]

But we don’t have mobilization now. Or is it not written in the training manual? In general, a typical response from the byot

[ALARI]

No mobilization? And where did they take 2 of our employees and summon me with some kind of piece of paper with seals? They wanted to hand over a voucher, but no, there was no voucher there.

[Gvardeetz77]

So far, it can be stated that the party of non-mobilization and warring has acted very successfully and effectively in the past six months.

Now, if there is such a party, then probably it has a leader? Who is he?

[Dmitry Donyakin]

It seems that we are being smoothly led to the use of nuclear weapons according to b. Ukrainian SSR. Until November 8th, nosebleeds are needed. And this will mean only one thing - the collapse of Russia. This is what it all leads to. And they are doing it right. The army is falling apart, the people are being torn apart. Your own house is closer. We'll just be pissed off at Uncle Sam soon. And prepare for war with China. You can't run away from mobilization there. Let's all go to harvest.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Settle down. What will change nuclear weapons?

Hit on Kyiv?

Can you imagine the consequences?

Then the whole world will really be against us!!!

[Drotro]

Almost everyone is against us.
Really full of dregs going on.
I don’t have the strength to read or write about this endless trash.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Almost everyone is against us.

No, so far only the West is against us and, frankly speaking, it does not help Ukraine that much.

200 howitzers, 20 Hymers and several thousand ATGMs are far from all the NATO forces that can be directed against us.

The success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is no longer their merit, but the mediocrity of our General Staff and intelligence who made a huge number of mistakes and greatly underestimated the enemy. Having the advantage in everything, in the end we retreat.

The General Staff and intelligence simply snickered and they don’t want to pay with fat and cannot work for a result, and everything is just for show - tags, magazines, parades, exhibitions.

At the same time, the armament of the mobilized LDNR with Mosin rifles is worth something, as if there are no machine guns in Russia and it was impossible to provide 40 fighters in the LDNR with everything necessary.

Nuclear weapons will cause enormous damage to civilians, and the army will not suffer much from it, while the country that first uses it will really begin to hate the whole world.

So, about nuclear weapons, it’s better not to open your mouth to anyone in Russia and not to threaten that we will be the first to hit them.

We need nuclear weapons only as a means of deterrence, and we need to win with conventional weapons. And for this you need to work for the result, and not for show. To promote those commanders who can carry out the assignment of duties due to valor and courage, to provide the army with everything they need and as quickly as possible, to restore order at the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, there should not be a salary for the director of the plant in tens of millions of rubles, when the worker has less than 30 , and the enterprise itself is unprofitable, to mobilize people and teach them what is needed at the front and they should be taught by officers and soldiers from the front, etc.

Everything that is happening now is essentially a test of our army and we must pass it, and the problems discovered should be solved as soon as possible and rebuild the entire military system for the result, otherwise we will lose not only in this war, but in general we will lose the state.

[Drotro]

They already hate us. This is how I recently listened to military journalism about the First Chechen. When there were such messages: "we must not set civilians against us." But at the same time they bombed mercilessly, depriving many people of shelter. And now it is already clear to everyone that not all shells fall clearly and strictly on military targets. So it is unlikely that the intensity of hatred will be much greater.
You wrote a lot of smart and correct things. It seems to me that most of the messages are utopia. And it is very difficult to achieve some real combat missions. Moreover, in general, savagery is the 21st century, but they staged a real full-scale war. What motivation - to go to die and deprive relatives and friends of their support. For vague purposes.
My former military acquaintances have been talking about tactical nuclear weapons since the first days. If he does not trample, then our choice will not be different. Only the assessments are different - we will have a real answer, or only "notes", "protests".
I am not a supporter of such tough actions and do not express my assessments "for/against", wishes, and my friends did not say "for/against" either.
They express possible options for the development of SVO. And now, from different sides, there is more and more talk about the use of tactical nuclear weapons, or low-yield nuclear weapons. Only that's how "low-powered" it is.

[kuztoday]

smart people negotiate, fools fight) Putin can only pronounce the right words with a smart look. and as it came to the point - the whole mind immediately ended. what kind of nuclear weapons?? he was already SP12 banged and no one saw when and who. and nuclear weapons will fly from them - you won’t have time to look back. Pretty phrases to throw - it's just you can? Wetting in the toilet, everything is according to plan .... but in reality - zilch and we are wetted.

[Drotro]

We only hear "words, words, only words."
Actually a lot of words.

[Dmitry Donyakin]

Reread what I wrote. "We are being let down." Where is my call? And you draw the right conclusion: that the whole world should be against us. But it is not clear why we are participating in this experiment? After all, for an increasing number of people it comes that NWO is "strange". And more weirdness.

[Arbeiternegast]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote from Mazunga

Ramzan Akhmatovich, please become our Minister of Defense, or even to Rostov, it’s so close to level the front line

Shame on you? Call on an illiterate, native emir to command the Russian army?

It's a shame how Shoigu commands and others like him.

[Shamil88]

The same Lapin, about whom Kadyrov speaks, Rokossovsky and Zhukov did not even dream of so many awards

[Lis_Domino]

yeah, with so many awards, he needs an "award bearer" because this "commander" does not need a squire

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Typical general of non-traditional military orientation.

[Serg serg]

Are you into awards? Do not tell VO and the Internet. Kapets is just .... They compared it with Rokosovsky. You can find the Krasnodar Cossacks on the Internet. There are awards and badges hung up to eggs. If they were appreciated, then we would already be on the banks of the English Channel

[Evgeny_78]

A combat officer has 3 (three) orders. Comrade Konashenkov, who does not travel outside the capital - 7 (seven). What kind of comparison with Zhukov, Rokossovsky are we talking about. And the fact that now for every parade there is a medal and the cadet (cadet) after a couple of parades has more "awards" on his chest than the front-line soldiers in the pictures in 1945 is not good.

[Serg serg]

In in. Soon they will look like North Korean generals. Those are almost hung on the back.

[Alex Justice]

I'm sure he doesn't remember what the awards are for if they don't have it written on them.

[Mint Gingerbread]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

There is another assessment! From Rybar.

Like it or not, but the title obliges, otherwise why did he go for a promotion. This is a responsibility that must be answered.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

I hear Levitan's voice more and more.....
There was a day without the Internet, I returned, read it and thought, it would be better if it didn’t exist at all - shame !!!!
This is from emotions, and without emotions, it is necessary to rake out! Rake for anyone! You can’t limply swim at will, although, what am I talking about, “the lampas of the MVO”.
Give the right to decide to those who are fighting, and not to those who report for them! And do not pull, give quickly !!!!!

[Munhausen]

That the military enlistment offices with their demonstrative work on mobilization, that the military command with the demonstrative results of one field of berries. Very sad.
In vain, some scold Ramzan Kadyrov for his frankness and frankness. Maybe he didn’t finish any academies, but he knows military affairs firsthand. And one of the few thanks to whom all the miscalculations and mistakes of the command are made public.

[tralmaster]

What does Lapin have to do with it. Those who are sitting in the general headquarters, it is necessary to disperse half. We bought our shoulder straps at one time, and now we are reaping the fruit of the generals from the dollar.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: tralmaster

What does Lapin have to do with it. Those who are sitting in the general headquarters, it is necessary to disperse half. We bought our shoulder straps at one time, and now we are reaping the fruit of the generals from the dollar.

Our liberal financiers have squandered more than 300 billion greens, so at least someone was removed?

[Rinat_Lutfullin]

Where is at least one counterattack? To Soledar, to Nikolaev?

[g_ae]

By the way, the other day Zaluzhny praised Gerasimov, straight honey in the ears, so he respects him. Well, now it's clear why.

[Ivanushka-555]

Everything is the same in Putin's vertical. A career is made not by merit and talent, but by blasphemy. Effective managers, daughters and sons of Wofka's friends, here are the warriors from the same series!

[valera75]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

There is such a good proverb: "you can't jump above your head." And in this situation, it is absolutely applicable to Colonel General Alexander Lapin, who is regularly on the front line in the NVO zone.

I had a chance to face Lapin personally back in Syria, during the first capture of Palmyra. Before our eyes, the Russian general was dragging the Syrian caricatured military leaders to the front line by the collar, smashing radios on their heads when they could not report where their escaped troops were.

We can admit the idea that Lapin simply failed to cope with the unsuitable troops of the Western Military District.

This is the very personification of the proverb “You can’t jump above your head.”

In our country, with the exception of the 20th combined-arms army, the parade and demonstrative troops of the Western Military District turned out to be uncombat-ready.
Here there is the fault of both the personnel who lived in greenhouse conditions (to a lesser extent), and the commanders who cultivated these conditions and failed to adapt to modern realities (to a much greater extent guilty) - even at the cost of losses.

The "legendary" 1st Panzer Army both began its flight from the Kharkov region, and continued it, bringing down the front to the north-west of the Liman. And the power and strength of the "fire brigades" from other troops was not enough.

That is, the soldiers are worthless and the whole failure is personally their fault? Lapin probably broke radios badly on their heads? - Not my words, I only quote them.

Near Krasny Liman, Lapin entrusted the defense to mobilized soldiers from the LPR and other units [mainly fighters from the LARs], but he did not take care of supplying this group with communications equipment, ammunition, and interaction was not properly organized.

Well, I don’t see here the parade-demonstrative troops of the Western Military District and 1 tank, which scrambled from the Kharkov region and the volunteer battalion Bars and the LDNR servicemen. Blame the soldiers, for whose training the officers-commanders are also to blame, are they now guilty?
Then I have 1 question? - If now at the front we cannot win with parade-demonstrative troops and blame them, then who will we blame when those mobilized who have not held weapons in their hands for several years and the KMB in an accelerated mode, Rambo is not They will do it. You won’t get enough of all Lapin’s soldiers with walkie-talkies hitting their heads.
Maybe you don’t need to blame the soldiers for everything, otherwise it’s somehow unpleasant to read all this?

[Monster_Fat]

Um. In war, motivation is important; morale depends on it. Ukrainian soldiers have it (motivation). Ours ... I won’t even say.

[BAI]

I will say. According to the wounded from the hospital, our morale is very high

[acetophenone]

Redeployed to the rear? Reasonable, but what? God forbid - Khaimars is vagrant - and the troops will be beheaded! Three Stars! Yes, they are so big! Stripes! Papakha! Commander! We must take care!

[Tatiana Egorova]

While our boys were washing themselves with blood in the battles for Krasny Liman, there was a concert in Moscow... A feast during the plague!!!

[valera75]

Quote: Tatyana Egorova

While our boys were washing themselves with blood in the battles for Krasny Liman, there was a concert in Moscow... A feast during the plague!!!

When city days and fireworks departed from Balakleya and Izyum.
It’s scary to imagine what will happen to the local residents of Liman, they are already officially Russians, the Banderaites will abuse them with particular cruelty, if they haven’t already, knowing their atrocities in the Donbass and with our prisoners.

[Russian Patriot]

01.01.95 reminds.
But this date apparently means nothing to our generals.

[Emergency]

Lapin is a fellow countryman of the Chief of the General Staff. And both of them graduated from the Kazan Tank Army. It’s just that removing and demoting such ranks is limited to disintegrating the army. Give it to the counters and let them look into your soul. Suddenly it's not clean there.

[Konnick]

Quote: Earth Walker

Well, if we consider the Minister of Defense, then the "jacket" did not serve in the army. Another call sign is "Plywood Marshal".

Well, there are different jackets; there was one jacket in Afghanistan; in its infantry battalion for 4 years there was not a single 200, although this battalion was there to intercept caravans.
And Caesar Kunikov, who asked Admiral Oktyabrsky not to send more troops to Malaya Zemlya. There was also a jacket.
It's not about service, it's about brains. We don't have Hinderburgs...

[zontov79]

I agree 100%. Ramzan said everything correctly.

[Germanboy]

Now Western weapons will flow even more into Ukraine. Europe sees that Russia can be defeated on the battlefield.

When will Russia adequately respond to all these failures and waste on the Northern Military District fronts?

[Trunk]

I support. Kuropatkins in our army. Prigozhin's client.

[Zaurbek]

In general, the idea is good. Demote to a junior officer and command a battery...... They made the leadership of the army a glamor.

[Sheridan]

And you to him as a platoon commander. As an edification to other half-jackets.

[Markovic]

Ramzan Kadyrov inspires my respect. It would be great if he commanded a military operation in Ukraine.

[Third district]

Quote: Markovich

It would be great if he commanded a military operation in Ukraine.

In Ukraine.

[hangar200]

Biathlon is urgently needed in the region.... there is no analogue

[Last centurion]

While the 300 half-thousands who have fled have trained, it looks like they will have to fight near Prokhorovka. It’s unclear what anyone thinks. We probably need to hold another biathlon. He will help?

[tabletkin73]

Kadyrov now looks like Stalin. He was Georgian, but more Russian than some

[Taimen]

Stalin himself called himself Russian, of Georgian origin.

[Yuri Veselov]

if everything is like this, in fact, this general will be demoted to the rank and file and... go ahead, let him work off his incompetence....

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Not only Lyapin, but the entire General Staff, demote everyone to the rank and file and send them to the front to hold the line that will now be next after Liman.

It's just a shame and disgrace. You need to be able to do this, having an advantage in aviation, air defense, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, artillery and tactical missile systems and a budget of 60 billion dollars a year, to retreat under the onslaught of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

How is it necessary to pervert the army with window dressing and stupid Moscow inspections in order to turn combat units into incapable rabble abandoning equipment and positions?!

[Monster_Fat]

A “strategy” for the development of the armed forces was chosen, the basis of which should be nuclear weapons and a few “wunderwaffles” - by their very existence, in the opinion of the “strategists,” they would deter the “potential enemy.” Also the saturation of the notorious electronic warfare systems, which were believed to land everything on the enemy, clog all his communication, control and guidance channels and cover their troops with an “electronic umbrella.” The rest of the “army” was supposed to be small, compactly equipped, as for the war with the “Papuans”. And naturally, a PR project is needed: a parade squad of a few samples of newer equipment, produced at the rate of 1-5 pieces per year. That is, everything is as it should be for “effective managers” - to show off the “great power” of the “second army of the world” to everyone. But alas, they believed in this only within the country, but outside of it everyone saw everything perfectly well and were not particularly afraid and did not take all this window dressing seriously. The result... Everyone can see it now.

[Cartalon]

No, over the hill they were also confident that the Russians would take Kyiv in 4 days.

[Monster_Fat]

Yes, at first they sent assistance to Ukraine with helmets, medical bags and bulletproof vests. And when they saw what the “second army of the world” really was, they unleashed a real Lend-Lease. Just recently they wrote that the United States announced another package of assistance to Ukrainians with weapons worth... $12 billion! It's awesome if it's true.

[shm_kv]

Well, this is an excess. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have virtually unlimited weapons from NATO (they were not smart enough to cut off supplies). There are a bunch of mercenaries with NATO combat experience who help manage all these prodigies. Well, they are hired with NATO money.
Another thing is that no one in our country was ready for a normal war. The Ukrainians haven’t fled, NATO is rubbing its hands, and we don’t have a plan B.

[TatarinSSSR]

On one enemy but adequate channel:

“The Russians left the village of Liman. Over the past month, the Russians had to retreat all the time, which hit their morale hard.
If the negative trend continues in October, then at one point it will trigger a complete case of disappointment and apathy in Russian society, which will be an excellent “ground” for protests within the Russian Federation.
In terms of technology, the strategy is good, it is gradually being implemented by Western scriptwriters of color revolutions.

Also, defeats trigger uncertainty among the allies of the Russian Federation and, on the contrary, increase support for Ukraine.
Plus, this increases the risk of the outbreak of secondary conflicts where there is a “Russian factor.” After all, when “the Predator is weak, then everyone will immediately attack him to grab their piece.”
Let's see what October will lead to, as well as the days before the US and G20 elections. The spring is compressed..."

"Our source reports that the Office of the President is pleased that an internal squabble has begun between Russian influence groups (Towers). Kadyrov and Prigozhin criticize the Ministry of Defense for the failure in the Liman settlement.
Now the functionaries of Bankova will add fuel to the fire of the Kremlin swing, and Zelensky gave the order to attack even stronger and faster in order to use this situational moment to his advantage."

It's a shame when the enemy is smarter than your leadership.

[MaKeNa]

The tragedy is that the government itself, with its indecision and sabotage, is cutting off the branch on which it sits! The people do not want to change horses at the crossing, because they understand perfectly well that this is the death of Russia. If you've already started a fight, then fight and don't piss on your shins!!!!

[Nickelium]

I wouldn't call Zelya smart. It would be smarter not to crush your regular army in frontal attacks, but to hit unprotected areas of the Kursk, Bryansk regions and Belarus. Well, now they’ll throw out the stupid fools, and then they’ll hit Kremenchug or the Dnepropetrovsk region through Sumy. The enemy is strong, but not nearly as smart. Waiting for something is generally disastrous. I remember the German Empire had all the trump cards after the Russian surrender. And as a military force it was much stronger than the Entente. Remember how it all ended. The smart ones don’t wait, but strike in the weakest directions. But banging your head against fortified areas is not very smart. There will be no more support for Ukraine than now. In fact, we have no allies. What to expect? Until reserves are pulled up and strike either Sumy or Nikolaev?

[Victor Leningradets]

In principle, your premise is correct, but only partly.
Zelensky has nothing to do with it. Before the general offensive, the NATO OKS wants to finally force our troops into a positional war and deprive us of the initiative. This is why the front line is being “straightened” for us. And they try to save the equipment for a crushing blow.

[Nickelium]

Well, I believe you here. But Americans also cannot know the whole picture. For them, the blitzkrieg option is optimal if they want to prolong the positional war, then this is precisely beneficial to us. The troops will be trained, communications will be improved. As for technology: where do they store it? Tourniquet in unlimited quantities. And this strategy of NATA, IMHO, is a mistake. If you allow an enemy to learn war, then in the end this enemy will nullify you.
About deprivation of initiative. There the flanks are open on the Sumy and Chernigov sides. As long as they are open, there can be no talk of any deprivation of the initiative. Through Sumy you can destroy the entire Dnepropetrovsk region and cut off the supply lines for the Sumerian troops. There are also Kremenchug, Poltava, Dnieper, Zaporozhye - the most important cities for the Sumerians.
Again, if you attack simultaneously from the south to Nikolaev, Odessa and the north - Poltava, Kremenchuk, Dnieper, their front may crumble there. So the initiative will be like a push-pull until ours begin large-scale actions.

[Piramidon]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

In terms of technology, the strategy is good, it is gradually being implemented by Western scriptwriters of color revolutions.

This can be felt even here at VO. The number of vandals is multiplying.

[Ivan Ivanov]

It's a shame when the enemy is smarter than your leadership.

In any society, defeats can cause uncertainty and disappointment, there is nothing special/super smart about this technology. Many people have been talking about the strangeness of the operation and the quantitative problems at the front for a long time, it’s a pity the politicians didn’t listen, this is a natural result. Only correctly drawn conclusions will help here.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Rozhin writes:

In any case, support for the army must remain unconditional; the war will be long and it is important for the army to have a strong rear - both economically and morally and politically. As I have already noted more than once, the main hopes of the West in the war in Ukraine against Russia are connected with the fact that Russia’s rear will break for one reason or another

[Alexander_First]

The head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Akhmadovich Kadyrov is right in everything. Every mistake (and crime) has a surname, first name and patronymic. The top leadership of the Armed Forces sucks. Potential clients of competent authorities.

[Trunk]

Lapin doesn’t care that some Zaluzhny has him in every crevice!

[guest]

Ramzan Akhmatovich, as always, says everything correctly, it’s just a pity that those at the top don’t listen to him.

[Heaven]

And I would ask the authors of the material, which was published on VO just yesterday, that the estuary has been unblocked. Why did you do this? It has been clear for a week now that the city was doomed. This does not add authority to the site.

[lis-ik]

Quote from Heaven

And I would ask the authors of the material, which was published on VO just yesterday, that the estuary has been unblocked. Why did you do this? It has been clear for a week now that the city was doomed. This does not add authority to the site.

I wrote yesterday. Colleagues didn’t like the fact that VO was in a hurry and took information from the cart. After all, what an ostentatious rise it was.

[Stinging Nettle]

Quote: Markovich

Ramzan Kadyrov inspires my respect. It would be great if he commanded a military operation in Ukraine.

So he will also not be allowed to bomb Ukrainian bridges and railways.

[Lis_Domino]

Since when did our “servants of the people” become accountable to the people? Wake up.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Quote Lavrov

But perhaps the biggest fault of the military is that there was not a single one who would have the courage to say "no" to politicians. As the same "Alpha" did in due time.

Probably not a single military man was found, because they weren’t there? There are probably only those for whom the main thing is: yes, that’s for sure, no way. We also had a regiment political commander who was not present at the exercises, but received a medal for participating in them.

[Dizel200]

Why doesn’t he ask the overlord directly? He's the commander in chief

[ODERVIT]

In the last Great War, commanders of armies and fronts received the full punishment for such failures. Disappointment knows no bounds, and it breeds mistrust. It's a bad situation, I'll tell you.

[Chronos]

I can’t help but write this here. But materials appear in defense of Lapin, including with reference to the servicemen of group “O”.
To summarize.
1. About leaving for Lugansk - it’s not true, and in general Lapin is often on the front line
2. Before the North Military District, Lapin commanded the rear Central Military District, which was not a priority in terms of supplies of new equipment. Nevertheless, Group “O”, formed on the basis of the district, is one of the most combat-ready, if not the most combat-ready. It was this group that took Liman.
3. Lapin was not initially responsible for the defense of the Liman and in general for the Kharkov direction. He was transferred there in fire formation along with part of the "O" troops. The Liman problem is a consequence of the retreat from Balakleya and Izyum.
4. They are trying to make Lapin a scapegoat precisely because he does not have high patrons, unlike other generals.
Purely for the sake of objectivity..

[Hadji Murat]

If four commanders have been changing in the Western District since February, then what can the fifth, Lapin, do in two weeks? I agree with you

[Cowbra]

As far as supplies go, yes. After all, they drove us more than once - Liman sits without anything!

[Iris]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote from Mazunga

Ramzan Akhmatovich, please become our Minister of Defense, or even to Rostov, it’s so close to level the front line

The Minister of Defense has an indirect relationship with the planning of the operation. And even to the assignment of general ranks and appointments. For the first there is a General Staff, for the second - the Supreme.

Enchanting! What then does MO have to do with it? Amnestied Serdyukov knows the answer best of all.

[Iris]

Quote: Emergency

Lapin is a fellow countryman of the Chief of the General Staff. And both of them graduated from the Kazan Tank Army. It’s just that removing and demoting such ranks is limited to disintegrating the army. Give it to the counters and let them look into your soul. Suddenly it's not clean there.

So this is why all the tank schools were dispersed, the only one left was in Kazan? Where did the boss in stripes on Tank Driver Day publicly congratulate everyone on Taxi Driver Day?

[Maxim L]

No, no, no, there can be no retreat! Of course, this is all Putin’s cunning plan! Everything goes according to plan! You cannot doubt the authorities - for this you will immediately be shot! Power is infallible and always right. The special operation will finish on time and proceed strictly according to plan.

[77alex77]

Moreover, Lapin did not serve as commander-in-chief in the army, the Ministry of Education was a reindeer herder, Peskov drove cars, etc. Why don’t you want to keep this point

[Iris]

Quote: Evgeny Babakov

I would like to hear comments from Mr. Shoigu and Mr. Gerasimov on the latest events in the Krasnolimansky direction. Preferably on TV and their faces close up!

Would you like some lingonberry pies?

[Iris]

Quote: Alexander_First

The head of the Chechen Republic Ramzan Akhmadovich Kadyrov is right in everything. Every mistake (and crime) has a surname, first name and patronymic. The top leadership of the Armed Forces sucks. Potential clients of competent authorities.

Are these the competent ones who rushed across Moscow in a column of 100 Heliks at graduation from the Academy?

[Petr_Koldunov]

Will we witness a public trial of Lapin?
Let there be an objective consequence. If he is innocent of one disgrace after another (as some here claim), then let this be revealed by the results of the investigation.

[Vitaly161]

to begin with, there is always an official check, without sudden movements and broken shoulder straps, if any mistakes are identified, then a decision is made, in general they write that Lapin did not initially command the defense in Balakleya, and was sent there to put out the fire, and in Liman from " Federals" were current units of the 20th Combined Arms and the guys fought bravely, 2 detachments of BARS and regiments of the LDNR are not at all on the balance sheet of the Defense Ministry and are not supplied from there, and if they are supplied then on a residual basis, I am not defending the generals, it’s just necessary to look at things objectively , and the shortage of mobilized units of the LDPR is obvious to absolutely everyone, you can’t fight much with just shooting and on foot

[Iris]

Quote: g_ae

By the way, the other day Zaluzhny praised Gerasimov, straight honey in the ears, so he respects him. Well, now it's clear why.

It was a TsIPSO stuffing.

[Iris]

Quote: valera75

Quote: Vladimir_2U

There is such a good proverb: "you can't jump above your head." And in this situation, it is absolutely applicable to Colonel General Alexander Lapin, who is regularly on the front line in the NVO zone.

I had a chance to face Lapin personally back in Syria, during the first capture of Palmyra. Before our eyes, the Russian general was dragging the Syrian caricatured military leaders to the front line by the collar, smashing radios on their heads when they could not report where their escaped troops were.

We can admit the idea that Lapin simply failed to cope with the unsuitable troops of the Western Military District.

This is the very personification of the proverb “You can’t jump above your head.”

In our country, with the exception of the 20th combined-arms army, the parade and demonstrative troops of the Western Military District turned out to be uncombat-ready.
Here there is the fault of both the personnel who lived in greenhouse conditions (to a lesser extent), and the commanders who cultivated these conditions and failed to adapt to modern realities (to a much greater extent guilty) - even at the cost of losses.

The "legendary" 1st Panzer Army both began its flight from the Kharkov region, and continued it, bringing down the front to the north-west of the Liman. And the power and strength of the "fire brigades" from other troops was not enough.

That is, the soldiers are worthless and the whole failure is personally their fault? Lapin probably broke radios badly on their heads? - Not my words, I only quote them.

Near Krasny Liman, Lapin entrusted the defense to mobilized soldiers from the LPR and other units [mainly fighters from the LARs], but he did not take care of supplying this group with communications equipment, ammunition, and interaction was not properly organized.

Well, I don’t see here the parade-demonstrative troops of the Western Military District and 1 tank, which scrambled from the Kharkov region and the volunteer battalion Bars and the LDNR servicemen. Blame the soldiers, for whose training the officers-commanders are also to blame, are they now guilty?
Then I have 1 question? - If now at the front we cannot win with parade-demonstrative troops and blame them, then who will we blame when those mobilized who have not held weapons in their hands for several years and the KMB in an accelerated mode, Rambo is not They will do it. You won’t get enough of all Lapin’s soldiers with walkie-talkies hitting their heads.
Maybe you don’t need to blame the soldiers for everything, otherwise it’s somehow unpleasant to read all this?

What is your rank in the SBU? Why are you lumping together Rybar’s opinion (a very dubious shot, by the way) and Kadyrov’s statement? By the way, about Syria. Palmyra was surrendered under Lapin and they had to take it again, with blood. As for walkie-talkies about the head, in Deir ez-Zor one such army commander also tried to bully. And tell them that he is from Transbaikalia and will show you how to fight in a minute. He arrived in a cavalcade at the targeted area, where he was covered with a second mine. I received a hero. For courage and heroism.

[Bayun]

Offtop.

Wonderful things on the site: FOR - "12"; AGAINST - "3", result = "-1". Brother admins, if you are counting and cleaning adversary bots, then adjust the counters. Otherwise it looks like lying to yourself.

[Sheridan]

The site is becoming a liberal dump.

[Hadji Murat]

Rather, a meeting of people who are painfully aware of the mess happening in the army, and openly discuss problems, without covering them up with a fig leaf

[pav15]

I don’t understand the “lawyers” of the military authorities - feedback from the people in the form of harsh criticism is a very good incentive to stop being stupid.

[dauria]

feedback from people in the form of harsh criticism

Well, probably because the feedback circuit must contain an element with a complex transfer coefficient. By amplitude and phase. Then you can adjust from negative to positive OS. Just don’t overdo it - drive the system into overdrive and self-oscillating mode. Or vice versa - the control signal will be completely reduced to zero.

[chingachguc]

Just shout - face! And he will attack. The withdrawal of troops from Liman was correct. But they came out, abandoning entire equipment. Is Lapin to blame for this? No. Blame the crew members who abandoned

[Ivan Ivanov]

The lack of the required number of infantry is probably not good for Lapin.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: chingachguc

Accountant Konashenkov is also evolving in the right direction - with a terrible rattle, but still. Zmeiny Island is a gesture of goodwill. raisin - redeployment, Liman - retreat. But it's hard. But it’s hard, very hard. So we will reach the order “not a step back”

And we won’t call the explosion a cotton!

[Iris]

Quote: MrFYGY

Arrows are being transferred to Lapin, look for information about Zusko.

Reference. Lieutenant General Zusko, a graduate of Ryazan. Commands the army. He kills Svidomo successfully, despite the fact that he himself is a rural guy from a Western village. Which just pisses them off. Since February, more than two dozen fakes have been dedicated to him personally! And that he was arrested, shot, hanged, executed again, betrayed, ran away, caught and shot. Morons,

[Chronos]

Quote: Kasatik

Quote: MrFYGY

Arrows are being transferred to Lapin, look for information about Zusko.

Reference. Lieutenant General Zusko, a graduate of Ryazan. Commands the army. He kills Svidomo successfully, despite the fact that he himself is a rural guy from a Western village. Which just pisses them off. Since February, more than two dozen fakes have been dedicated to him personally! And that he was arrested, shot, hanged, executed again, betrayed, ran away, caught and shot. Morons,

Zusko is no longer the commander of Army 58 since the summer. He was the chief of staff of the “West” group; it didn’t work out to “dampen” something near Balakleya.

[Hadji Murat]

According to General Zusko, military counterintelligence work is needed, he has only failures at the front

[Dmitry Karabanov]

Well, to be objective, it’s not just about Lapin. Subcommand troops of the Western Military District with commanders of “warm places” - they are combat-ready, do you think? Beginning General Staff Gerasimov - is he competent? Failure after failure: from the “blitzkrieg” to Liman. Well, Putin and Shoigu have the feeling that they have completely withdrawn from themselves - only parades and holidays. Kadyrov is right - we need to sand everyone down! And, by the way, the first thing I.V. Stalin did in 1941 was to create Headquarters! But we again have all our hope in the heroism of the soldiers!

[hangar200]

Ramzan..... only Ramzan.... Kadyrov.....

[dauria]

The first thing J.V. Stalin did in 1941 was to create Headquarters!

So you need to be able to listen to the opinions of everyone, so that later, based on the results, you can understand who is mediocrity and who proposed the business. Tolerate prickly and uncooperative people. Don't let them eat them.
In a word - to be able to lead. By the way, this is also a difficult profession.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Yes, A. Bezrukov spoke about the need for a bet back in May.

[ivan2022]

As you can see, not every fish has a rotten head. A living fish also has a normal head.
But if the fish is dead, anything can happen. Although the fish itself is unlikely to agree that, in fact, it has been dead for a long time.

[hangar200]

I am Russian. don't touch Ramzan. Ramzan should be the master on the outskirts. Akhmatovich. I'm your soldier

[Donhofleo]

That's right . I think so too. And we will solve this problem......

[shm_kv]

I see many publics have begun to defend Lapin, saying that he is good, and his subordinates are worthless. Like he understood everything, but nothing could be done. So, I personally have great doubts about this for at least 2 reasons:
1. The defense was not organized properly. I don't think finding multiple excavators and concrete suppliers locally would be much of a problem. The plans were known a month in advance, and in that time several milestones could be prepared. For some reason, in the Kherson direction they guessed this before, everything was dug up there, and from the words of the Ukrainians themselves.
2. The most obvious thing: if it was clear that we couldn’t hold it, then why couldn’t it have been possible to quietly evacuate the civilians in advance and prepare everything so that the surrender would be as bloodless as possible. Well, or at least don’t give the locals false hopes.

[hangar200]

No need to tear your shoulder straps. give Ramzan powerWhere is Ramzan?