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The use of the control system "Constellation-2015" made it possible to destroy over 500 fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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The Russian army in the course of a special military operation in Ukraine uses not only equipment already in service and weapon, but also promising or recently received samples. In addition, various automatic systems are used very actively in combat operations, which make it possible to link various complexes and deliver strikes in real time.


In yesterday's report of the Ministry of Defense, the military reported two attacks on the Russian aviationheld near Kharkov and in the area of ​​Konstantinovka. Air Force strikes led to heavy losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it was reported about the destruction of up to 130 Ukrainian soldiers from the 92nd Motorized Brigade and up to 400 paratroopers from the 95th Airborne Brigade. The losses for the Armed Forces of Ukraine are very large, in addition to the personnel, a lot of armored vehicles were destroyed, with which the Ukrainian army has problems.

The Ministry of Defense traditionally did not provide details, but according to the available information, the Automated Tactical Level Control System (ATS TZ), also known as Constellation-2015, was used during the strikes. As reported, in both cases, data on the accumulation of military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were promptly transferred to the headquarters, the aircraft received target designation and immediately struck with high-precision missiles.

Near Kharkiv and Konstantinovka, data about the Ukrainian military got into the "Constellation", further along the chain the coordinates were sent to the command post, and from there - to the planes that were in the right area

informed sources said.

ACS TK is a multi-component battlefield control complex with a number of different functions. As part of the system, 11 subsystems for various purposes simultaneously operate, which are responsible for the exchange of data on the tactical situation, the transmission of orders, interaction with other troops, etc. It includes portable radio stations, software and hardware systems, navigation aids, command and staff vehicles, satellite and unmanned surveillance equipment.

For the first time, the complex was tested at the exercises "Kavkaz-2016", since 2018 it began to be serially supplied to the troops. Last year, four divisions were reported to have been completely re-equipped, as well as ongoing deliveries.
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  1. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 5 August 2022 11: 32
    +25
    Application within the NWO of the management system "Constellation-2015" allowed to destroy over 500 military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    ***
    "So the stars aligned"...
    ***
    1. Machito
      Machito 5 August 2022 11: 45
      +13
      Star of Ukrovermacht. am
      1. barclay
        barclay 5 August 2022 11: 47
        +6
        As reported, in both cases, data on the accumulation of military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were promptly transferred to the headquarters, the aircraft received target designation and immediately struck with high-precision missiles.
        Today efficiency - first of all. But it doesn't hurt to check and double check.
      2. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 5 August 2022 11: 50
        +8
        this is a unified tactical level control system
        everything is simpler
        UAVs illuminate targets with optical stations
        and missile strikes or guided missiles with a CVO from 3 to 10 meters are delivered
        Self-propelled guns "Msta-SM" and "Coalition-SV", MLRS "Tornado-G", can be connected to the ESU TZ command vehicles directly without the need for a separate vehicle
        1. Sexton
          Sexton 5 August 2022 22: 32
          -8
          There is none of this! Dream on. The ESU TK died unborn and was replaced by the Automated Troop Control System, for transmitting information about its troops and the enemy in the form of reports, for transmitting orders to the brigade level and above. Where is the tactical link here? This system does not deal with issues of target designation and transmission of information on the battlefield to destroy the enemy in real time!
          UAVs cannot and do not highlight anything, and only the newest in a scanty number can determine the coordinates of the target and transmit them to the operator's remote control ... And the outdated Krasnopol two-block guided missiles with manual input of initial data 40 years ago cannot use UAVs for their guidance, they can theoretically only from the ground, but they are not used in the SVO ... The Tornado-G does not have guided missiles at all ... They brazenly lie to you in order to avoid punishment for backward methods of warfare and complete inactivity for 20 years. ...
          1. Sarboz
            Sarboz 6 August 2022 10: 33
            +8
            Quote: Sexton
            There is none of this! Dream on. ESU TZ died without being born

            Oh, yes, I see, Volkov's clone has appeared. The sect of Witnesses of Network-Centrism is alive. Did Gerasimov personally report to you, or did Shoigu himself report that "everything is lost"? Your whining no longer impresses anyone. The special operation against the strongest army in Europe, supported by all of NATO, continues successfully.
            1. Sexton
              Sexton 6 August 2022 14: 26
              -4
              Volkov is also a clone, like Okko077, like Vo3a! Read all in one person, and you will see that nothing changes ... Time flows, but nothing changes! And now the guys on the front line are paying for this ...
            2. kin
              kin 6 August 2022 21: 33
              -1
              So you subscribe to TK Strelkov and argue with him.
              1. Sarboz
                Sarboz 7 August 2022 22: 40
                -1
                Quote: kin
                So you subscribe to TK Strelkov and argue with him.

                And why should I? I feel sorry for Igor Ivanovich. He was treated unfairly, but he harbored a grudge and is now fighting windmills.
            3. SARANCHA1976
              SARANCHA1976 7 August 2022 09: 57
              -2
              Your arguments are powerful, well, these are emotions .. it turns out in your words if Gerasimov personally or Shoigu himself reported that everything is fine, then everything is fine?
              1. Sarboz
                Sarboz 7 August 2022 19: 11
                0
                Quote: SARANCHA1976
                Your arguments are powerful

                Did I justify something? I've just been trying to find out for a long time where this Ponomar Volkov gets such killer insider information from. And he doesn't wobble. For obvious reasons, the details of the implementation of the ESU TK are not disclosed, but the adherents of the Witnesses of Network-centrism know something that Gerasimov and Shoigu do not report. Do you also want to join the initiates?
                1. SARANCHA1976
                  SARANCHA1976 8 August 2022 09: 54
                  0
                  I prefer to rely on facts and figures
        2. Sexton
          Sexton 5 August 2022 23: 11
          -5
          Recall that Constellation has been developing ESU TK since 2001. The complex is designed to control troops using navigation, satellite and unmanned surveillance equipment. In 2007, the basic set of ESU TK was handed over for testing, but in 2010, following the results of command and staff exercises, military experts made more than a hundred comments to the system developers. Now, according to the military, a number of control subsystems are again undergoing trial operation in the troops. Until 2020, the troops should receive 40 brigade sets of ESU TK for a total amount of over 300 billion rubles. At the end of 2017, Sergei Shoigu announced that the capabilities of the ESU TZ "are brought to the requirements set by the Ministry of Defense."

          https://vpk.name/news/239113_ministerstvo_oborony_rossii_zaklyuchilo_kontrakt_na_postavku_edinoi_sistemy_upravleniya_voiskami_esu_tz.html
          There is nothing and nothing is used in hostilities. Useless system! How much time and money wasted!
          The photo shows that the fighter is typing a summary for ... Konoshenkov!
    2. Wbond
      Wbond 5 August 2022 12: 21
      +3
      ... judging by the results they agreed perfectly ...
  2. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 August 2022 11: 34
    +17
    Someone at VO ordered a strike on the 92nd brigade, a couple of days ago? Is the media also included in the Constellation complex? bully
    1. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 5 August 2022 12: 13
      0
      Constellation is OCD
      if in your own words then - this is ESU TZ of different levels: division, brigade, regiment, battalion, company, platoon, squad
      with pairing of surveillance and reconnaissance equipment with fire weapons bypassing various control vehicles
    2. Mikhail Maslov
      Mikhail Maslov 5 August 2022 12: 20
      +12
      That's right, I ordered! So we got to them. They worked perfectly! Thank you!
  3. iouris
    iouris 5 August 2022 11: 35
    -4
    And the previous post says:
    Quote: "An interesting video with the transfer of military equipment appeared yesterday on social networks. It is alleged that it was filmed in the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction. Pay attention to the number of tanks following in the column." End of quote.
    I understand nothing
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 5 August 2022 11: 37
      +7
      There are two companies there. Fuck understand where. Do you know such a place?
      1. Dost
        Dost 5 August 2022 17: 32
        0
        This is what we are talking about and not being afraid. I thought the last launch of a military satellite was to hover over Ukraine with an online broadcast to the right place. According to the idea, they should not have reached the place of deployment.
        1. stankow
          stankow 5 August 2022 23: 02
          +2
          Reconnaissance satellites do not hang. And from time to time, several times a day, they fly over an interesting territory for 6-7 minutes.
          1. Dost
            Dost 6 August 2022 18: 49
            0
            satellites also hover constantly, not in low orbit. Have you heard of geostationary?
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 6 August 2022 22: 41
              +1
              Have you heard of geostationary?
              And what can you see from them? Estimate the angular size of the Earth from geostationary orbit. It can be closed with a half of an A4 sheet at arm's length (I sometimes give students such a problem). A geostationary satellite can only work as a repeater.
              1. Dost
                Dost 7 August 2022 17: 47
                0
                Is it not fate to use electronic intelligence, like the same Global Hawk?
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 7 August 2022 19: 22
                  +1
                  Is it not fate to use electronic intelligence, like the same Global Hawk?
                  From where, from geostationary orbit? And how do you imagine it? The wavelength of the radio range, to put it mildly, differs significantly from the wavelengths of visible light, respectively, the resolution will also differ. Again, the Global Hawk flies in the atmosphere, and we were talking about satellites.
            2. stankow
              stankow 7 August 2022 01: 09
              +1
              Heard. And from 40,000 km of altitude, what would you like to see? Tank, armored personnel carrier, dugout? What optics? :) :) They are reconnaissance satellites in the lowest orbit ... 200 km. And fly by in minutes...
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        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 6 August 2022 04: 31
          +2
          Well, he hangs, so what? Rides somewhere let's say a hundred kilometers from the line. Moving from one locality to another. According to which we will not begin to work out until they take some kind of prom. We have missiles and aircraft do not teleport. They need time to work. What does it have to do with additional reconnaissance so as not to chop up the peacekeeper. Beat in real time and it works with the Papuans. Aviation or rocket scientists need heaps of information from the weather to a weapons complex that needs to be suspended. Where and how is air defense in the area, etc. a satellite image, by definition, will not be able to give all this information.
          1. kin
            kin 6 August 2022 21: 48
            -2
            You are talking nonsense, for this there are automated control systems in order to quickly work out processes in real time, with the greatest effect.
    2. barclay
      barclay 5 August 2022 11: 44
      +7
      Quote: iouris
      It is alleged that it was filmed in the Nikolaev-Krivoy Rog direction.


      You can say anything, but the steppes and fields are the same everywhere. The border post at which Zelya was photographed, they say, was also on the border with the Russian Federation.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 August 2022 11: 54
    +7
    Last year, four divisions were reported to have been completely re-equipped, as well as ongoing deliveries.
    Taking into account the fact that the collective West is acting against us in Ukraine, the WWII slogan "Everything for the front, everything for victory" becomes relevant today.
    1. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 7 August 2022 10: 03
      0
      And you can ask what you gave the country "for the front, and for victory"
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 5 August 2022 11: 58
    +1
    ACS TK is a multi-component battlefield control complex with a number of different functions.
    Automation of the control of the combat process, everything goes to that.
    1. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 5 August 2022 12: 18
      +3
      even at the squad level, a soldier through binoculars with a topographic location and a rangefinder
      maybe if you put a mark on the target by tying it to the terrain and further options:
      request prior reconnaissance from UAVs with target designation for weapons
      or request fire damage to the target yourself - online - the data is all there
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 August 2022 12: 58
        +2
        All this is good, it is necessary, BUT ... we will see.
      2. stankow
        stankow 5 August 2022 23: 07
        +2
        Do binoculars work without UAVs? Nowadays, without a UAV, even the compote in the field kitchen does not boil! laughing ;)
        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 6 August 2022 10: 36
          +2
          there are binoculars with topographic location, a laser rangefinder, with the function of capturing a target by a mark and determining its coordinates + pairing via the ESU to a tactical tablet for transmitting data to a higher command post or immediately available by status - fire weapons, for destruction
          1. stankow
            stankow 7 August 2022 01: 18
            0
            There are, of course, since the 80s. For example 1D15 (1D20, 1D22). And modern ones are already much lighter and more compact. But all the same, no art reconnaissance without a bead will crawl on the NP. Because they shoot for minutes, and optical art reconnaissance is carried out for days, continuously. In simple optics, you can see better, it does not eat batteries, it is easy to carry and hidden, it does not shine with a laser.
    2. TreeSmall
      TreeSmall 5 August 2022 12: 48
      +2
      Automation of the control of the combat process, everything goes to that.

      Since 2000. It’s slowly going like this: the basic set of ESU TZ for the Russian Armed Forces was created in 2007 and was transferred to experimental military operation.
      When Putin, when he was prime minister, got acquainted with the Su-57, he asked its developers:
      - "Is it (the aircraft) already integrated into the Constellation?"
      To which I received a meaningful response from the designer:
      - "What is it all about? For the first time I hear it."


      In August 2017, the CEO of Constellation Alexander Yakunin was dismissed from his post with the wording:
      "He failed to live up to expectations and significantly change the situation at the enterprise."
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 August 2022 12: 57
        +5
        Unfortunately, we harness up to a long time, not always something that is lucky quickly.
        We, from the side, can only look and be surprised ... or resent. Whoever wants / can.
        1. Dedok
          Dedok 5 August 2022 14: 35
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          We, from the side, can only look and be surprised ... or resent. Whoever wants / can.


          it would seem that everything is so, BUT, we did not undertake these tasks, for various reasons)
          and discuss those who take and do not
          remember: "took up the tug - do not say that it is not hefty ..."
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 5 August 2022 15: 26
            0
            Once upon a time we did what was necessary and as it should!
            The question is ... did we DO everything right ???
            I can say one thing, they did everything they could ... but it didn’t always work out as it should, because we weren’t the only ones who participated in it, everything depended on us.
            To figure out why it didn’t work out ... a topic for a separate conversation ... although, on the topic where I was a direct participant, there was a whole series of articles and I learned a lot of interesting stuff, which I didn’t know then.
            Time puts everything in its place, but alas, nothing can be returned back ... as it happened / took place, that's all.
            1. Sexton
              Sexton 5 August 2022 23: 29
              -2
              Once upon a time we did what was necessary and as it should!

              Is this a joke about General Vovochka at the graduation party? Do you know?
      2. S. Viktorovich
        S. Viktorovich 5 August 2022 14: 59
        +1
        Sent managers - Bekkiev, Yakunin, etc. everyone was good, but they could not ruin the "Constellation". Although for 20 years the company was able to do a lot. Without quasi-ministerial fuss, now every fighter of the SVO would have modern information technologies.
        1. TreeSmall
          TreeSmall 6 August 2022 00: 17
          +4
          Sent managers - Bekkiev, Yakunin, etc. everyone was good, but they could not ruin the "Constellation".

          And who sent them?
          No quasi-ministerial fuss

          And who appointed the ministers and shuffled them around the toilet seats for 20 years?
      3. Sexton
        Sexton 5 August 2022 23: 18
        -3
        The military could not formulate the purpose of the system and performance characteristics to it. They do not know what it is for ... What does the leadership of the Constellation concern have to do with it? Go there - I don't know where, bring something - I don't know what ... Russian folk tale. "My favorite fairy tales", St. Petersburg, 1992.
        1. TreeSmall
          TreeSmall 6 August 2022 00: 27
          +1
          The military could not formulate the purpose of the system and performance characteristics to it

          No need for an empty whistle.
          1. The Chechen wars are a complete failure in the system of operational-tactical control. Complete enemy control over the communications of the Russian army, and complete impotence to intercept the conversations of imported radio stations. Communication: Sucks at the level of 1941 (and early).
          2. Year 2000: American officers began to use the distributed information system for combat control FBCB2 ("Force XXI Battle Command Brigade or Below"), which covered tactical units at the brigade-battalion-company level.
          3. The GIS construction program was approved by US DoD Directive No. 8100.1 dated September 19, 2002: ("DODD 8101.1, Global Information Grid (GIG) Overarching Policy", September 19, 2002).
          4. By decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 2000, the OPK (then the United Instrument-Making Corporation) was given the super-task of creating the ESU TK (a unified command and control system for troops and weapons at the tactical level). The development of which was entrusted to the Voronezh concern "Sozvezdie", which gave the same name to the entire system - ESU TZ "Sozvezdie".
          Total: 1 + 2 why do we need such stupid and expensive generals, on the stripes of which (each) the budget of a small city is spent?
          Why are these children of generals of past merits admitted to the General Staff and the Moscow Region?
          Givi and Motorola, without graduating from military schools and academies, understood more about the art of war than the lieutenant general and marshal, and their successes were more significant, and the personnel were retained.
          p.3.
          item 4. If the leader appoints the performer, then it is logical that the performer farted “give me, I can”, and the “competent” checked: “yes, he can”.
          And all sorts of accounting chambers led by Stepashin? They checked the spending of budget funds every year ... they checked, checked, and so on for 17-19 years.
          Go there - I don't know where, bring something - I don't know what ..

          One of the best episodes of the film, but I'm actually talking about the meaning from 2:40
          1. Sexton
            Sexton 6 August 2022 14: 38
            -1
            The purpose of the ESU TZ "Constellation-M" and what tasks should it solve?
            The purpose of the automated control system "Constellation ...." and what tasks should it solve?

            Nobody knows the first in the Russian Armed Forces, there is no accepted concept! The second could be read on the website of the Concern "Constellation".
            Moreover, there were opinions in 2014 that it is not needed at all! Your answers instead of a rather informative introduction ....
        2. ultra
          ultra 6 August 2022 08: 30
          0
          That is, the system was developed on an initiative basis, without the participation of the military?
  6. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 5 August 2022 12: 02
    +4
    it’s not entirely clear .. The constellation is a tactical level .. divisions .. with the command post of the division - was the command given? but divisions like the Air Force are not attached .... the campaign is not quite complete news of some kind ..
    1. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 5 August 2022 12: 19
      -1
      OCD Constellation
      ESU TK - these are all levels from the Division to the branch
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 5 August 2022 12: 45
        +2
        yes, that’s understandable .. I’m talking about something else .. divisions - the Air Force is not attached .. it means that the aviation command was given from the command post of the division - it’s incorrectly written in the news ..
        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 5 August 2022 12: 49
          -1
          could do this and that - depending on what speed of reaction is needed
          and call fire themselves, and could through the command post of the division
          perhaps through the command post of the division you can do something that is impossible at the company level
          for example, hammer with a Tulpan or unload a Su-34 into 6 tons of FABs
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 5 August 2022 12: 57
            +1
            and so and so they couldn’t .. in the army everything is clearly defined - who should (has the right) to give you an order to use, and for the Air Force this is not the command post of the division for sure .. most likely through the command post of the division they quickly reached the command post of the army, and those already they gave an order .. but still the system worked very well - if the lowest levels requested a strike and gifts arrived very quickly from the sky ..
            1. ultra
              ultra 6 August 2022 08: 34
              +2
              The meaning of ACS is the elimination of intermediate control centers. If it happens as you write, then what is the point in this system?
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 6 August 2022 10: 31
                -1
                so the main delays go at the stage up to the command post of the division, so there is even a point.
    2. komandir8
      komandir8 5 August 2022 14: 58
      0
      By the means of the senior commander, MRDs in the offensive direction can be attached to and supported by regiments of army and front-line aviation.
  7. Vladimir Postnikov
    Vladimir Postnikov 5 August 2022 12: 18
    +3
    ACS TK is a multi-component battlefield control complex with a number of different functions. As part of the system, 11 subsystems for various purposes simultaneously operate, which are responsible for the exchange of data on the tactical situation, the transmission of orders, interaction with other troops, etc. It includes portable radio stations, software and hardware systems, navigation aids, command and staff vehicles, satellite and unmanned surveillance equipment.

    ACS, in principle, has not represented anything interesting and new for more than 50 years for sure. All these tasks were technically supported more than 50 years ago exactly. ACS were introduced only where a clear control system was already developed. ACS simply reduces the time to make decisions. If you have a communication system at the level of "Violet! Violet! I am a military commander, answer!", then no automated control system will help you. During the Second World War, the SU TZ worked quite satisfactorily for the Germans both without satellite systems and with conventional maps. The tactical level control system is not an air defense control system, where a person is already superfluous only because his reaction time is terribly long. For a tactical level, such a reaction may turn out to be excessive when it is desirable to correctly assess the situation so that the automated control system does not work on its own.
    For the first time, the complex was tested at the exercises "Kavkaz-2016", since 2018 it began to be serially supplied to the troops. Last year, four divisions were reported to have been completely re-equipped, as well as ongoing deliveries.

    I cried.
    1. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 5 August 2022 13: 21
      +1
      Last year it was reported about the complete re-equipment of four divisions

      in general, there are already 50 brigade sets in the troops for 2022 and some divisions, incl. Tamanskaya switched to ESU TZ
      * Wiki 40 brigades for 2020 for 300 billion rubles.
      1. Vladimir Postnikov
        Vladimir Postnikov 5 August 2022 13: 38
        +4
        Quote: Romario_Argo
        in general, there are already 50 brigade sets in the troops for 2022 and some divisions, incl. Tamanskaya switched to ESU TZ
        * Wiki 40 brigades for 2020 for 300 billion rubles.

        This is not for me. This is for the author of the article. I just cried.
        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 5 August 2022 13: 52
          0
          Well, don't be discouraged, things are getting better...
        2. S. Viktorovich
          S. Viktorovich 5 August 2022 14: 42
          +1
          "cry".
  8. TreeSmall
    TreeSmall 5 August 2022 12: 43
    0
    Quote: author
    For the first time, the complex was tested at the exercises "Kavkaz-2016", since 2018 it began to be serially supplied to the troops. Last year it was reported about the complete re-equipment of four divisions

    1. How ACS behaved at Kavkaz-2016 no report can be found
    2.
    Until 2020, the troops were to receive 40 brigade sets of ESU TK worth over 300 billion rubles

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/[email protected]
    Maybe I'm confusing something, or the author, but we don't seem to have divisions anymore?
    2008
    As part of the replacement of the system of regiments and divisions with a brigade system, the elite divisions of the Russian army will be disbanded in the first place.

    What then 4 divisions equipped?
    3. Officially, "Constellation" began developing its ESU TK since 2001. The curator is the well-known Rogozin D.O.
    trial operation of the system of the first stage should be completed in November 2009, and the second - in early 2010.
    The exercises "Ladoga-2009" showed a complete failure.
    Trials 2010 - failure
    After 6 months of training (with a service life of 1 year), yesterday's graduates of the Unified State Examination, who put on shoulder straps, could not cope with the too complex interface of the software package, in which it was necessary to "understand for a very long time, memorize various keyboard shortcuts and action algorithms"
    2010: Dmitry Kandaurov, a developer of automatic control systems, said that little has changed in the system, as the TK was issued on the principles of the ancient year 2000
    https://army-news.org/2010/11/kompleks-esu-tz/
    ESU "Constellation" is very tightly tied to the domestic global GLONASS system and satellite constellation. And we have problems with this (curator, again, Rogozin D.O.)

    Walkie-talkies would be equipped with proper
    And they would have nullified cellular communications, the Internet and UkrTV in Ukraine (right from 24.02)
    The effect would be greater.
    1. Vladimir Postnikov
      Vladimir Postnikov 5 August 2022 13: 00
      +1
      Quote from TreeSmall
      Officially, "Sozvezdie" began developing its ESU TK in 2001. The curator is the well-known Rogozin D.O.

      You may be misunderstood. BEFORE. Rogozin has been in charge of the Russian defense industry since 2012. How did he suddenly end up there with no experience and no technical education? I can only quote: "I did not appoint him there," replied Philipp Philippovich, "Mr. Shvonder gave him a recommendation, if I'm not mistaken."
      In 2001, he was still running around political rallies, where he zigged.
      1. TreeSmall
        TreeSmall 5 August 2022 13: 14
        -4
        blunder. I'm talking about Glonas and satellite, actually
        He began to oversee the defense industry in 2013, in December.
        About "Constellation"
        "This is our leading developer of the ESU TZ program - a unified tactical level communication and control system for the armed forces,"

        /said the then Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian government Dmitry Olegovich Rogozin.
        1. Vladimir Postnikov
          Vladimir Postnikov 5 August 2022 13: 27
          +2
          Quote from TreeSmall
          He began to oversee the defense industry in 2013, in December.

          Wikipedia issues: "From December 23, 2011 to May 18, 2018 - Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, Chairman of the Collegium of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation, the Supervisory Board of the Roscosmos State Corporation, the Supervisory Board of the Advanced Research Foundation, the Maritime Board under the Government of the Russian Federation, the State Commission for the Development of the Arctic, the State Border Commission, the Commission for Export Control of the Russian Federation.
          In short: a man-orchestra.
          1. TreeSmall
            TreeSmall 5 August 2022 13: 58
            -1
            In short: a man-orchestra.

            Undoubtedly.
            The Kremlin noted that Rogozin's resignation was not connected with any claims to his work, and promised to employ Rogozin "in due course."

            I can assume that in connection with the new naval doctrine, they will throw him into the fleet.
            50 aircraft carriers need to be built?
            Maybe 2011 too.
            And his son is an "orchestra"
            Silt?
            1. Vladimir Postnikov
              Vladimir Postnikov 5 August 2022 14: 21
              +2
              Quote from TreeSmall
              And his son is an "orchestra"
              Silt?

              His son has already been removed from IL. But his appointment there in the spring of 2017 to the post of general director should have been dealt with by the prosecutor's office back in 2017. But she still does not do this. 50 billion rubles are directly involved there for the serial production of the IL-114 aircraft, the decision to allocate which from the state budget was pushed through by D.O. Rogozin at the very end of 2016. This decision was opposed by both technical specialists (with the exception of those involved), both carriers, and the Ministry of Industry and Trade back in 2014. Five years have passed. They bought back in Uzbekistan a backlog for a certain number of aircraft at the price of scrap metal, equipment and equipment (at the same price), and ... silence. During the Second World War, aircraft factories were evacuated to the field and a few months later they began to produce aircraft. Yes, planes were simpler. But today the conditions are simply "hothouse". And still, there is nothing. And this despite the fact that both the IL-112 and IL-114 (albeit unnecessary) are aircraft of the same size. But there is neither one nor the other. And D. Rogozin was thrown to Roskosmos, where he began to build a tower in Moscow and take actresses into space. Now they promise to throw something else. They are looking for what else is left (Rosatom or Sevmash, for example).
              1. TreeSmall
                TreeSmall 5 August 2022 14: 27
                -1
                His son has already been removed from IL.

                It didn't change anything.
                All the more
                Since October 2019 - Advisor to the State Duma Committee on Economic Policy, Industry and Innovative Development.
                belay
                the prosecutor's office would do it back in 2017. But it still doesn't do it.

                The Untouchables
        2. Sexton
          Sexton 5 August 2022 23: 55
          -3
          In short, Putin and Shoigu were very coolly set up by all sorts of Gerasimovs, Borisovs, Rogozins. The army does not know how to conduct a modern war. All reports on Syria are fake, achievements are paper, there are no exact weapons on the battlefield ...
          Doesn't it remind you of anything? Before the Second World War, there was Spain, Finland with a victory ... But it turned out that the army was not ready for war and did not know how to fight ...
          1. TreeSmall
            TreeSmall 6 August 2022 00: 13
            0
            Nothing like?

            recourse
            Well, the first thing that comes to the brain,
            paraphrase from the play by A. K. Tolstoy
            "Tsar Fyodor Ioannovich" / with an overlay on Pushkin's drama "Boris Godunov":
            The king is good, the boyars are bad

            ?
            Only here's the problem:
            1. Tax, Customs and other authorities, and the court consider: the director (the sole manager) is always to blame and no one cares that the accountant is a fool, but a commercial thief.
            2. Didn't the tsars single-handedly appoint all the boyars to the duma and other clerks, up to the mayor?
            2. Link to Finnish, WW2, of course, it has a place to be.
            But there is not a different ring (from the word at all), and Soviet Russia started with nothing, after WW1 and the coup, but the new Russia, as it were, on a very solid foundation (which was torn apart by the boyars who now rule).
            Somehow it seems to me stupid about the opinion of B. Godunov, of course hi
      2. S. Viktorovich
        S. Viktorovich 5 August 2022 14: 32
        -1
        Rogozin - a politician, was nominated a long time ago from the Anninsky district of the Voronezh region. Since then, he has become an "effective astronaut". ESU TK is the only one in Russia (except for strategic nuclear forces) to develop an integrated control and communications system, which is now critically lacking on the battlefield.
      3. S. Viktorovich
        S. Viktorovich 5 August 2022 15: 10
        -1
        Yesu



        ESU TZ was created by Academician V.I. Borisov. The Ministry of Defense has been thinking for twenty years why it does not need it.
  9. Crisp
    Crisp 5 August 2022 12: 45
    -4
    Quote: Vladimir Postnikov
    I cried.

    No, why wasn't it? I believe. But I KNOW that any innovations, especially in the army, do not go anywhere until a couple of generations of high command change. In peacetime, this is a blessing. For I know for myself how many swindlers want to get the way to the mass production of their nonsense. Think about cold fusion, railguns, and laser firing hundreds of kilometers in the atmosphere, satellites that use the energy of dark matter. You're right, damn right - ACS can (presumably!) only work where manual control works reliably. Something I do not find an example not only in the country, but, moreover, the army.
  10. Crisp
    Crisp 5 August 2022 12: 56
    -1
    Quote: kill the fascist
    Don't stop people from seizing Moscow and holding a parade on Red Square :)

    For example, I LOVE to see the parade of the parade on Red Square, following the example of the parade of German prisoners of war in 1943, after which car washes washed the asphalt of the Center of Moscow with soap.
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    2. S. Viktorovich
      S. Viktorovich 5 August 2022 14: 36
      -1
      The Second World War was won by Russian tractor drivers on the corresponding tanks.
    3. Ivan177
      Ivan177 5 August 2022 16: 37
      +3
      "... And the system should be designed for an illiterate electronics engineer, a computer user at the level of an average user ..." --- I agree ... it's on this principle that Hymars-Caesars were created - where the servants (at least any poorly trained Negro) only charge their necessary projectiles-charges, and everything else is done / worked out by the electronics, receiving from NATO-US satellites digital target designations for the object to be destroyed and using GPS navigation works out all the necessary "body movements" for iron to install the barrel / guides in the right direction on the object of destruction .. Getting into the Antonovsky bridge from 30-40 km from the first shot is a very good result considering the width of the bridge is 10-15 m.
      1. stankow
        stankow 5 August 2022 23: 19
        +1
        No, the barrel / guides are not shown by GPS. Only gun/mount coordinates. The barrel - according to the usual optical goniometers and equalizers. Somewhere laser.
        1. Ivan177
          Ivan177 6 August 2022 22: 29
          -1
          "... the trunk / guides are not shown by GPS. ..." - you explain this to the schoolboy!
          the satellite gives the location of the target and its digital coordinates, but already on the ground, according to these data, taking into account its location and other data, the electronics, and not the attendants, work out the necessary data, incl. and weather, for the direction of the barrel / guide to a given target ... But here we do all this by hand, with a compass and with the necessary zeroing, or if it receives data on coordinates from a UAV or a copter, it will turn out easier and more accurately. ..
          1. stankow
            stankow 7 August 2022 00: 58
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            I'm sorry, but you have absolutely no idea about the data flows in artillery. And hurry with estimates, why? Believe me, everything is in order with the Russian artillery, it is world-class. Including electronics and UAVs. I have the honor, the captain of artillery, in the reserve, swore allegiance to the Warsaw Pact and even a little and were registered in NATO;) wink
            1. Ivan177
              Ivan177 10 August 2022 15: 12
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              "... but you have absolutely no idea about the data flows in artillery ..... I have the honor, artillery captain, in reserve ..." --- oooh, how deeply everything is running!!!! :-) Artillery and satellites are not very close, not even very close!
              You have been taught for 4 years to shoot from a cannon, and not to understand satellite communication systems and command and control from them, and you talk so confidently on this topic! This is not about shells and artillery. compass, but about very high - about satellites! It's in different places! :-)
              here we are not talking about "artillery" - a piece of iron, but about satellite and ground-based electronics that turn any firing piece of iron into a sniper rifle at a distance of 70-80 km!

              It was the electronics at Highmars that received data about the target - distance, latitude-longitude, wind speed, atm. pressure, temp. air, data on its location - it will calculate the data where to turn the rocket, at what angle and of course put the data on the target into the rocket itself - and forward to the target! None of our artillery has such automated electronic support for firing / launching through its military satellites ...

              HIMARS is controlled by the Universal Fire Control System (UFCS), which consists of many electronic units connected to a common information network (data bus). Most of them are installed in "sponsons", compartments on the sides of the launcher (hardware compartments or "bunkers", as they say in the Strategic Missile Forces, approx. VO).
              "HIMARS Universal Launch Interface Unit" (HULIU) is the center of the fire control system, it systematizes and analyzes data from the entire UFCS system, and also receives data via external communication channels (airborne radio stations, satellite communication systems, Link-16 system).
              Many sensors are also connected to this unit (temperatures, pressure sensors of hydraulic systems, tilt sensors, etc.).
              In essence, HULIU is the central processing unit of the entire UFCS system.

              UWIU (Universal Weapons Interface Unit) sends control signals to the rocket module, forms the control center and launches the rocket (in Russian, the preparation and launch unit). It generates ballistic guidance algorithms, actual data, warhead detonation mode (in general, a flight task). It also downloads GPS information and software updates for missiles before launch.

              And it is precisely thanks to satellites and digital data from them that the Armed Forces of Ukraine regularly make holes in the Antonovsky Bridge with the help of Khaimars from a distance of 70-80 km .... :-)



            2. Ivan177
              Ivan177 10 August 2022 15: 58
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              "... Excuse me, but you have absolutely no idea about the data flows in artillery. I have the honor, artillery captain, in reserve ..." --- oooh, how everything is deeply neglected, artillery, and we are talking about satellites!

              You have been taught to shoot from a cannon for 4 years, and you undertake to talk about something completely different, unknown to you - about satellites, programming, electronics, automatic control systems, about satellite communications and command and control from satellites!
              Guns and satellites are very different things - they have nothing in common...
              It is thanks to satellites and electronics in Hymars that a piece of iron is used to make a "sniper rifle" at a distance of up to 350 km, and from which the Hymars regularly hammer Antonovsky bridge with rockets for 70-80 km.

              It is thanks to the data from the satellites - the received data on the coordinates of the target, the Hymars electronics performs calculations on the location of the target, calculates the necessary data for aiming the missile at the target based on its location, as well as the received data on the speed and direction of the wind, atm. pressure, air temperature, precipitation, and of course transmits target data to the missile itself - and launch on the target!

              HIMARS is controlled by the Universal Fire Control System (UFCS), which consists of many electronic units connected to a common information network (data bus). Most of them are installed in "sponsons", compartments on the sides of the launcher (hardware compartments or "bunkers", as they say in the Strategic Missile Forces, approx. VO).

              "HIMARS Universal Launch Interface Unit" (HULIU) is the center of the fire control system, it systematizes and analyzes data from the entire UFCS system, and also receives data via external communication channels (airborne radio stations, satellite communication systems, Link-16 system). Many sensors are also connected to this unit (temperatures, pressure sensors of hydraulic systems, tilt sensors, etc.). In essence, HULIU is the central processing unit of the entire UFCS system.

              Universal Gunners Display Unit (GDU) Weapon control (application) is carried out through the GDU console. This console is an automated workstation (AWP) of the operator. The main operations are performed by programmable remote buttons ("hot keys" 8 from the bottom and 4 buttons from each side of the display). Unformalized alphanumeric information is entered from the keyboard.

              UWIU (Universal Weapons Interface Unit) sends control signals to the rocket module, forms the control center and launches the rocket (in Russian, the preparation and launch unit). It generates ballistic guidance algorithms, actual data, warhead detonation mode (in general, a flight task). It also downloads GPS information and software updates for missiles before launch.
              HIMARS uses three main communication systems: VHF/FM radio, shortwave (HF) radio for greater range, and a digital situational awareness system.
              The system uses L-band satellite channels, which are exchanged in digital format.
              The guidance system ensures that the missile always knows where it is.
              The guidance system is powered by a lithium thermal battery. The electrolyte is in a solid (dry) state, so the battery will not deteriorate during storage.

              Here is a small and brief educational program on Hymars ....



              1. stankow
                stankow 10 August 2022 23: 03
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                ivan177 You can say so - advanced amateur. Interested, figured out, my respect. And yet, in civilian life, I am a radio electronics engineer, for 24 years I have been dealing with GPS systems, though civilian ones, on-board equipment for heavy equipment in difficult conditions, software, firmware, automated control systems, etc. So we know how to direct iron up to a meter. So I can tell you something, so let's continue to communicate wink
  12. Vyacheslav Dokuchaev
    Vyacheslav Dokuchaev 5 August 2022 14: 24
    0
    a good system - as soon as the enemy gathered in a crowd, a fiery hello flies there immediately ..... laughing
    1. Serafim
      Serafim 5 August 2022 15: 23
      0
      . fiery hello

      Plasma hello!
  13. Crisp
    Crisp 5 August 2022 16: 07
    +3
    Quote from TreeSmall
    It's you smacking nonsense, crunching "brains".
    1. At least read and understand
    2. This quote was, if what
    / yawning: how tired I am of you slow-witted. Just to yell

    I was the lead designer of a marine product. So, it was forbidden to use a mechanical tool in the final assembly in the shop. Nuts - lambs and everything else, twisted only with handles. And then there were tests for water resistance. Such requirements. A sailor should not look for a tool in an emergency, but use what he always has with him - his hands. And you're trying to tell me something. .................. (I was punished many times, so I will limit myself to this.)
    1. stankow
      stankow 5 August 2022 23: 23
      0
      Strictly! My respects as a civil engineer to a military one!
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  14. Ivan177
    Ivan177 5 August 2022 16: 27
    +1
    Is Constellation-2015 a replacement for a satellite constellation for the Russian Defense Ministry? For NATO and the United States, satellites hang over Ukraine around the clock and transmit digital target designations to Hymars-Caesars and other gadgets with an accuracy of up to a meter, and this ensures accuracy and rate of fire (zeroing is not required) .... and with us, Borisov only confirms a significant lag on satellites (components for electronics are 70-80% imported), and the journalist Rogozin kept dreaming of flying to the moon ....
  15. Crisp
    Crisp 5 August 2022 17: 15
    +1
    Quote: Ivan177
    Is Constellation-2015 a replacement for a satellite constellation for the Russian Defense Ministry? For NATO and the United States, satellites hang over Ukraine around the clock and transmit digital target designations to Hymars-Caesars and other gadgets with an accuracy of up to a meter, and this ensures accuracy and rate of fire (zeroing is not required) .... and with us, Borisov only confirms a significant lag on satellites (components for electronics are 70-80% imported), and the journalist Rogozin kept dreaming of flying to the moon ....

    It’s not the Rogozins and Borisovs with the stools that drove the army into .... but economic impotence. Funded the MANUFACTURER of something. Chubais, for example. Money - chickens do not peck, and the output is a report in the column - "Completed". Three plates, and samples of nanotubes. Our microprocessors have already stuffed calluses on everything that is. And, finally, insight - finances, it turns out, should be given not to the contractor, but to the CUSTOMER. He does not need a report, but a processor. Powerful and cheap. For three tablets, he will not list the loot. And for the next promises either "Angar", or "Yenisei", or "Soyuz" will not pay. And he won't take a bribe. She can't cover up. Sworn enemies helped move matters. Arrests of the property of the oligarchs and the "Stabilization Fund" and "Gazprom", stored in the accounts of these damned ones. A miracle happened - leaks to foreign countries stopped, at least on such a scale. With another misfortune - an overabundance of dough in the budget (we don’t know where to put them), somehow, with God's help and landings, we can handle it.
  16. Okakakiev
    Okakakiev 5 August 2022 17: 32
    -1
    The wonders of technology
  17. certero
    certero 5 August 2022 22: 02
    +1
    How would you like to believe it? That the Russian army also has the ability to transmit target designations in real time
  18. alexxxxz
    alexxxxz 5 August 2022 22: 06
    +1
    "battlefield control complex" - seriously? Learned to manage the field? In fact, I am sincerely glad that our military managed to achieve such a significant success and inflict such great ESTIMATED losses on the enemy. Although, of course, there are doubts about the accuracy of the given numerical values ​​of losses. But! Considering the real level of provision of troops with means of communication and their quality, of course, the achievement of such a success cannot but rejoice. All the same, it’s not for nothing that volunteers raise funds for wearable means of communication ... And here it’s just some kind of miracle! Not only information was collected, but it was also processed, target designations were issued, and most importantly, these instructions reached the addressees. Miracles and more. But I'm just glad, really.
  19. Bogatyrev
    Bogatyrev 5 August 2022 22: 06
    +1
    It's good that they used it somehow. A very mysterious system. It is not clear where it is and how it works.
  20. Krilion
    Krilion 6 August 2022 04: 02
    0
    it remains to understand what kind of missiles they are, which simultaneously destroy from 150 to 400 personnel ...
  21. Eug
    Eug 6 August 2022 09: 41
    0
    In, damn it ... why does this system allow the ZSU to move in a tank column near (alas, the text does not say at what distance, but "near" - this is from the headline of the news) the line of contact? Or are there not enough miracles for everyone, is Constellation in short supply now?
  22. cmax
    cmax 6 August 2022 17: 41
    0
    And I’m already somehow straining the exact data on enemy losses from the Ministry of Defense. Either the enemy lost 1000, then 500 people, then they ran there, then they retreated. It is very reminiscent of "unparalleled" samples of weapons that have never been seen in the army now at the front. Yes, the front has been almost in place for 3 months now. It’s just some kind of first world war, only ours are dying in 2022. It seems to me that the countdown has already started, people are beginning to doubt the ability of the current leadership to solve the tasks that they themselves have publicly identified.
  23. lambert
    lambert 6 August 2022 18: 20
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    .



    This picture has nothing to do with the ESU (ACS) TK. It's a stillborn OCD that has fallen into a trash can.
    The automated control system (advanced aircraft controller of the SVP-24 Hephaestus type) has been developed for the SU-57, if it exists on the SU-24 and subsequent developments, then it has been developed on the SU-57 as well.
  24. yakisam
    yakisam 6 August 2022 19: 51
    -2
    I should probably be really happy
    as many as 500 Russian people who fought with the Russian people
    were effectively destroyed with a super-efficient system
    combat control
    it's probably very good
    I wonder when me, my children and everyone I love
    will also be smashed by some "system"
    then I'll be even dead prosecuted
    that did not have time to rejoice loudly enough
    such a heroic death?
    awww....
    1. iouris
      iouris 6 August 2022 20: 48
      -1
      Quote: yakisam
      as many as 500 Russian people who fought with the Russian people
      were effectively destroyed with a super-efficient system
      combat control

      The war is not with the Russian people, but with the United States. Some Russian people have become anti-Russian. Some Orthodox have become Satanists. No matter how it happened - they must be destroyed. And I mourn for these misguided ones.
      Nothing is perfect, but Satanism is an absolute evil.
      1. yakisam
        yakisam 7 August 2022 12: 02
        0
        they will write on their graves - "they became non-Russian people"
        and we will immediately feel better?
        I think it will be "easier" for the Americans
        who count - the "national battalions" killed 150 "people's policemen", and the "people's militia" killed 500 "national battalions", the result - the Americans killed 650 Russians without loss
        let's rejoice, wow...
        and most importantly, we do it ourselves, without any Americans there
        I wonder what will be written on my grave and on the graves of my children when it "finally begins for real," to use the expression of one commander in chief?
        that I became "incorrectly Russian" or "disgustingly non-Ukrainian"?
        Should I be happy too?