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Special forces colonel

Friends call it the gentle word "Mousik." Yes, and he does not look like a full-grown, past hell of Afgan and Chechnya officer, but as some intelligent Soviet engineer-botanist or elderly skipper from a peaceful fishing trawler (this is because of his beard). In general, not the way a veteran of special forces should look like a man in the street. On the other hand, who should be like that person? On the closed, sullen, suspicious, beaten life of John Rambo?

He is not closed, but very modest. Quiet like that. Taciturn, speaks quietly, if not to say - quietly. Perhaps that is why they listen to him. But the answers to the questions are detailed, the thoughts are formulated intelligibly, with examples, almost literary.

Long-necked, long-necked, with a sharp Adam's apple sticking out over the collar of his shirt. The face is open, the look is straight, honest, gray-blue penetrating eyes, a soft, friendly smile. This civil appearance does not fit in with his past. He even puts on a homely dress - you know, such soft sweaters with a deep neckline, which are put on shirts ...

In general, until I saw him in my photo studio in the Afghan “gerbil”, I couldn’t get used to the idea that this is the very Musik who in 86 participated in the legendary and secret operation “Karera” to destroy the fortified Islamic region. a regiment named after Abdul Wakil, for which the special forces crossed the border with Pakistan and fought there, which for obvious reasons was denied by official Moscow. This quiet shy man thugs caravans of Mujahideen near Jalalabad, imprisoned Emomali Rakhmon on the Tajik throne, supervised work on the creation in Chechnya of the first "ethnic" battalions of special forces of the type "West" and "East". Finally, it was Musienko who led the special forces intelligence service in the operation to destroy Ruslan Gelayev ...

Special forces colonel
Musienko with anti-tank systems - anti-tank missile system. In Afghanistan, his detachment was called suicide bombers


Gelayev called Black Eagle. I do not know if he is an eagle, but I treat him with respect - as an adversary with a strong spirit. And he died like that.

The helicopters, on one of which I was in command of the group, handled the slopes of the gorge with a machine gun, suggesting that there might have been firing positions for the militants. Suddenly, the commander of the helicopter crew shouted to me:

- Commander, is it not yours?

- Not! Perfume!

We saw two people climbing up the gorge. We were separated by no more than three hundred meters. I opened fire on them with a machine gun, but the commander of the helicopter crew asked me not to shoot and covered the slope with a volley of 80 mm aviation missiles. The militants were simply boldly off the ridge and overwhelmed by an avalanche. One of these two was Ruslan Gelayev. This was established in February, when his body was dug out from under the snow. In general, death in the mountains ... According to the postmortem report, Gelayev's death was caused by "multiple shrapnel wounds, fractures of limbs and blood loss as a result of traumatic cutting off of the hand."

Alexander Musienko (foreground) in the village of Kaya-Kan, Laghman province, Afghanistan


But it was the last fight. And began the military biography of Musienko in Afghanistan.

Afghanistan. Start

In the 1985 year, two months before the end of the Kiev VOKU, the highest combined-arms command school, a “buyer” arrived from the GRU and asked me at an interview:

- And if the homeland will send to perform international duty?

I answered:

- I will go with pleasure!

- With pleasure?

- Yes sir! I have been preparing for this for four years!

After graduating from college, I glanced at the prescription and ... immediately realized that it was Afghan. Usually it indicated the position, district, group of troops. I had only three words: “it is at the disposal of TurkVO (Turkestan Military District. -“ RR ”)”. Without details. So in the 21 year I got into the 154-th separate special-purpose squad (OOSPN) of the 15-nd GRU special-purpose brigade. Upon arrival, I was told: “Work calmly. There is no “in the ass heroes”. There are soldiers here. Command them as an officer. ” And on the first ascent, I turned over beds with demobels that did not want to get up for exercises ...

I had no combat experience before Afgan, but I had a good military education. I knew all the equipment, all the weapons: from a pistol to a BMP, I knew the topography, I knew how to navigate in unfamiliar terrain on the map.

In fact, officially in Afghanistan there was no GRU special forces. The word "special forces" was tabooed. We were listed as 1, a separate motorized rifle battalion, but we performed reconnaissance and sabotage tasks in pure form. We hunted for caravans from Pakistan and “killed” them. Personally, I had 96 combat exits in Afghanistan. Every fifth of them was productive.

The first fight is always the worst. My first was in the village of Bagić, 25 kilometers south of Jalalabad. We staged a raid on the Islamic Committee in that village. We had an agent-agent with us, and we decided to cover all field commanders with a sudden raid. In the roar of the propellers Mi-24, which passed over the courtyard, where the “committee members” were sitting, the noise of two “eights” with the troops on board was not heard, and two reconnaissance groups landed safely on the hill above.

The appearance of special forces in the courtyard of the house was completely unexpected for the spirits. The group commander, Zhenya Ovsyannikov, simply jumped off a cliff that was protecting the house from the side of the hill. The scouts immediately proceeded to the "sweep". In that battle, I killed my first spirit: two ran away from the yard, and I filled one with a machine gun. The second managed to leave.

In that battle, we lost the company commander, Captain Alexei Turkov, and the platoon commander, Lieutenant Ovsyannikov. We slept in the neighboring beds. He died immediately.

Then there was the 334 th Asadabad squad. We were called suicide bombers. The detachment was the most difficult area - the area of ​​Kunar, mountainous woodland. I worked there for eight months.

For me, Afghan has remained a holy war. It was the high point of the GRU special forces and the swan song of the Soviet Army. In this war, we did not lose. But they did not win either.

"We only dream of peace ..." In the "zero" Colonel Musienko is already fighting somewhere in Africa


Musienko does not say "fought", "fought." He says "worked." This is also the officer's work - to fight and die. And they were dying. The price of the combat experience of the GRU special forces for ten years is eight hundred and seventy-five dead intelligence officers. But the enemy paid dearly for their lives. For each intelligence officer ten or even twenty mojaheds.

Here is a quote from the order of the 40 headquarters of the combined-arms army: “Only in 1987 year did special forces intercept and destroy the 332 caravan with weapons and ammunition, which prevented the leadership of the rebels from supplying more than 290 heavy weapons to the internal provinces of Afghanistan, 80 MANPADS (man-portable air defense system), 30 PURS (missile launchers - Chinese 12-barrel equivalent of the legendary Katyusha. - “PP”) , more than 15 thousand mines, 8 million ammunition. "

A caravan of six Simurg vehicles seized by 173 ooSpN in Kandahar Province in April 1986

Tajikistan. Second war

Listening to Colonel Musienko, you think: was there a world in his life? Shortly after the end of the Afghan war, he was sent to Nagorno-Karabakh. Three months of war between Armenians and Azerbaijanis. And then there was Tajikistan.


In 1991, after the Soviet Union collapsed, the GRU's 15 brigade, where I then served, was “presented” to Uzbekistan. I received the rank of Major by order of the Minister of Defense of Uzbekistan. In the summer of 1992, a civil war broke out in neighboring Tajikistan. The Minister of Defense of Uzbekistan Rustam Akhmedov ordered us to participate in the “restoration of the constitutional system of the Republic of Tajikistan”. A special purpose detachment was formed. I was the chief of staff of this detachment. The composition of the squad - about a hundred people. Most are officers with Afghan experience. By the way, our commander was Vladimir Kvachkov, the one who was tried for the attempt on Chubais.

In Tajikistan, the two warring camps were conditionally divided into "Yurchikov" and "Vovchikov". “Yurchik” were considered those who were for secular power or something else, and “vvchiki” - those who appeared to be in the Islamic opposition, that is, Wahhabis.

However, both camps were recorded not so much by conviction as by place of residence and kinship, and the republic was divided according to the tribal principle. Pamirs, Kulyabians, Karateginians, Gissarians ...

What was going on there! .. On the Shar-Shar pass, we counted thirty victims of Mullah Adjik's gangsters. In one house I saw a corpse of a twelve-year-old raped girl. There were bite marks on her cheeks and neck, a stomach split ... Next to her in the corner lay another dead ball, her six-year-old brother. In the ravine lay the corpse of their mother with the bloomers deflated ... I will not forget
a gravel pit a few kilometers south of Kurgan-Tube, filled with the bodies of shot people from Kulyab, partially gnawed by dogs. In total there were counted more than three hundred and fifty corpses. Cut out everyone, not looking at the floor and age, with whole families and villages.

Our group worked in Kurgan-Tube, and when the main part came back, I stayed in the operational group of the Uzbek General Staff. In order to somehow be legalized, we came up with the name "Popular Front of Tajikistan" (NFT). Our main support was the criminal authority of Sangak Safarov, an elderly man who spent a year in prisons in 21. He was a born leader with excellent organizational skills, a heightened sense of justice and patriotism - he headed the NFT.

It was Sangak who introduced me to Emomalishka, now the President of the Republic, Emomali Rahmon. Then Rahmon was the chairman of the collective farm. Still a picture stands before his eyes: Rakhmon with a huge lyagan (decorative plate. - “PP”) of pilaf and a bottle of vodka is presented to Sangaku on the occasion of his appointment as chairman of the regional executive committee. Later, after the death of Safarov, Emomali from a puppet turned into a local god-president who destroyed all who brought him to power. Someone was planted, someone was buried ...

I was one of the main advisers to Sangak, and later the Minister of the Interior of Tajikistan. We supplied the forces of the NFT with weapons and ammunition, using special methods of the guerrilla war, helped unite everyone who was against the "Vovchikov" and taught them to fight. In fact, the partisan movement in Tajikistan was organized by specialists of the GRU special forces.

Actually, we fought too. It was the special forces officers who planned the operations and were the core of all the landing forces. Vovchikov was driven from January to May and driven into the Pamirs. Successfully landed troops on the dominant heights in the Karategin Valley. By the end of winter, the NNT units of the NFT took the Romitsky fortified battle. Both operations and others were planned by the Russian “Uzbeks” - the special forces of the 1993 th brigade.

There were many minor skirmishes, spontaneous operations, improvisations, in which spetsnaz savvy rescued. I remember well the assault on the ball 11 Nov. 1992 th. The frightened death of Emomali calls me and shouts that in the morning the Vvovchis saddled the pass. Asked for help in general. We took, I will not say where, two battalions, a heavy-duty grenade launcher, an 82-mm mortar, loaded an automatic grenade launcher into the 30-mm UAZ and ... with two dozen fighters went to storm the pass.

We acted like a textbook. Came to the foot, fired at positions from mortar and grenade launchers. Above the grass caught fire, the smoke of a yoke, one of our mines destroyed the house. Already good! And then all of us, twenty fighters and officers, under the cover of a batteer, went to them in a frontal attack. Then the "Vovchik" understood that it was not the "Yurchiki" who were fighting against them, but the Russians, and they fled.

Although we were registered officers of the Uzbek army, but continued to serve Russia. In parallel with the war, we conducted political intelligence - it was thanks to our work that comfortable conditions were created for the transfer of power in the region to politicians with whom Moscow could build normal relations.

Musienko (left) in Tajikistan. He was listed as an Uzbek intelligence officer, but continued to serve Russia


In all, the civil war in Tajikistan, which lasted from 1992 to 1997, took 85 000 lives. But the colonel is sure: if there were no Russian special forces there, the bill could go to hundreds of thousands and it is possible that Tajikistan as a state would cease to exist.

Chechnya Ulman's case

After Tajikistan, Colonel Musienko returned to Russia and taught at the Novosibirsk Higher Military Command School at the Special Intelligence Department - he trained officers for units and formations of special forces of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. It was then that he met Edward Ulman - he was a student in his faculty.

Chechnya Special Forces evacuate the wounded colleague by helicopter


In the second Chechnya, I commanded an officer task force that performed special tasks: we hunted down the leaders of the Chechen gangs. Edik was the commander of the reconnaissance group and worked with another of my graduates. I learned from the reports of their names. They had two years of experience and good results in reaching the tasks.

Coincidentally, I witnessed their arrest by the military prosecutor's office and how they were taken from them. In the Intelligence Information and Analytical Center (RIAC) I came across two strangely dressed officers — they were in combat gear, but with empty unloadings without ammunition and without weapons. One of them was Ulman. I asked:

- Since when in RIAC officers disarm?

- Yes, we ... yes of us ... here it is ...

They told exactly what happened. What teams who gave them and what happened then. They, the scouts, had the task of preventing the enemy from breaking through from the area of ​​the special operation. Ulman's scout group was in an ambush on the outskirts of the forest, and when a suspicious car came out on them, they ordered the driver to stop. The order was military-simple - machine-gun fire in front of the machine. But the car did not stop. Then she was shot from several trunks. I know that under similar circumstances, two girls died in another district. I was sitting with them in the car ... Maskhadov. The girls were his cover.

I think that either the driver or the one who was sitting next to him was a fighter who forced the driver not to stop. Then, when the wrecked car was inspected and reported on what happened at the RIAC, Ulman was instructed to leave the area. Before leaving, he helped the wounded! Why would he begin bandaging them, stabbing them with promedol if he intended to finish off the wounded and burn the car? It was then that Ulman was ordered to cover his tracks, and he carried out the order ...

Why could not Edward act differently? Left wounded enemy can show where and in what part the reconnaissance party has left. And this group can be destroyed by the militants.

And then Ulman ... got caught. My conclusion: there is a fact of criminal negligence and illiteracy of the operational duty officer at the RIAC, who gave conflicting orders to the reconnaissance group. And blame the chaos of war. Ulman and the people he killed were unlucky. No one likes to kill innocent people. Then live with this ...

Chechnya After completing the combat mission, the armored group evacuates the special forces soldiers.


Few people understand this horror of war and all its truth. Colonel is really sorry for both Ulman and the people he killed. But there are people whom he does not feel sorry. Totally.

Chechnya-2. Hunting for Gelaev

It all started with an attack on the Russian frontier post in the Tsumadinsky district of Dagestan, a few kilometers from the Georgian border. The bandits attacked unexpectedly and destroyed a mobile border outfit. It was impossible to leave this unpunished. Special forces of the Ministry of Defense and Dagestan riot policemen were thrown into Tsumada. I was appointed commander of the task force. Initially, we intended to check the presence of militants in one of the caves and flew there, but we could not land - the depth of the snow did not allow; the helicopter's engines sucked in the snow, water got into them, and the crew was afraid that the landing would end in disaster. I had to sit on the frontier post itself and move forward on their own. For two days we prosharilis in the mountains, soaked, froze and did not find a damn ...

Militants were discovered in the Kus ridge area, and an operation began to destroy them. I headed the VKP (air command post. - “RR”), which was to coordinate the management of all intelligence forces in the area.

Over the 11 days we flew 36 times. Already on the second day began to bomb the path of the alleged departure of the gang. Later it turned out that as a result an Arab, a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany, Abu Yassin, was killed by one of the gang members. It was he who stabbed the commander of the frontier guard.

Then a day of chalk blizzard. Swept all. No trace. And no one believes that we will find militants. Moscow made fun of us. The General Staff accused of fantasies:

- From where in the area are Chechen fighters?

Imagine: on New Year's Eve, we are stuck for two weeks in absolutely wild snow-covered mountains and chasing an enemy that we don’t see. My operational duty officer handed us a box with tangerines for the holiday with helicopter pilots from Khankala. In the box lay a note: “We wish you success in the fight against virtual spirits!”

And on December 20 we found them. And once again bombed the gorge. I worked as an aeronautical operator, since experience was still from Afgan. The first link of the “dryers” was bombed incorrectly, and then Lieutenant-General Gorbas, the commander of the 25 Army of the Air Force, an Afghan veteran of fifty years, sat at the helm of the Su-4. He took off from the Kuban and forty minutes after take-off already worked in Tsumad.

The difficulty was that the gorges were very narrow - only a few tens of meters wide and about two hundred meters deep. And the height above sea level is just over three thousand meters. Due to the narrowness of the gorges, neither direct bombing nor cabing - when the plane "lifts up" its nose - did not fit. You could only use a dive - with an acute angle of attack. In this case, it was possible to beat aimingly, but this is a big risk for the pilot. One mistake - and you can not get out of the attack, and crash into the rock. You can drop bombs from the ceiling itself, but then we are not talking about target bombing: the pilot simply does not see the target.

Ali Magomadov, one of the militants of Gelayev's gang, captured in Dagestan

And so, having risen into the air, I directed the Su-25 from the Mi-8.

In the end, everything went well. Bombs caused avalanches on the right slopes, blocking militants in the gorge and cutting off their escape routes. They had no way back: everything was filled up with hundreds of tons of snow and ice. Without food, frostbitten, they sat at a height of several days. When trying to break through, we ran into our ambush fire. Then they split into two groups. One had to go to Georgia for help. The second, with wounded and frostbite, remained in the gorge. They saw how the special forces were squeezing the ring, and at night they went into the next gorge. Every day, the insurgents' ears demanded from us the General Staff. They shouted at us and said that we were “grunting with food for nothing”:

- A week for your operation, no more!

December 27 The first militant group ran into an ambush for border guards. Four bandits were killed. Three more “Leopard Gelaev” were captured. They preferred him death from bullets, hunger and cold. At the first interrogation, the prisoners told the FSB officers who we were hunting for. But I found out about it three days earlier.

December 24 captured Chechen militant Ali Magomadov. They took him Dagestan OMON. The Chechen was exhausted and frostbitten. We saved his life. He was not beaten, had medical aid and was treated to cigarettes and ... tangerines. The ones that they sent us from Khankala. Why such humanism? It was this militant who admitted that the commander of the gang that we drove through the gorges in Tsumad was a Chechen brigadier general Ruslan Gelayev. We reported on this to Kvashnin (at that time the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. - “RR”).

Kvashnin asked:

- Do you need anything?

And I asked Ka-27. This is a two-axle ship helicopter, which can rise up to three thousand meters. On board this turntable, you can land a reconnaissance group in a hang mode right on top of the ridge and give the scouts the opportunity to act from top to bottom, rather than climbing the rocks below.

The helicopter took off from the Black Sea Novorossiysk, but traveled to the Caspian Sea for three days. And we continued to work. Moreover, we found both climbing ropes, mountain boots, and Gortex jackets for the captured and killed militants. We just didn't have it. All that was sent to us at the end of the operation was lifting ropes. Due to the lack of equipment, we lost six people: they died on the rocks, falling into the gorge. The radio operator broke down, and his commander, Lieutenant Alexei Dergunov, climbed out to get him and fell after him. For me it was a terrible blow: Alexey is my graduate. Their corpses were collected for a long time, with the help of specialists from the Ministry of Emergency Situations of Dagestan. The last one was found to be a radio operator of scouts, already five days after the end of the operation.

And December 28 came to a close. The fighters of the Volgograd intelligence service noticed a small group of militants descending along a rock on a bundle of automatic belts. Thirst for fame prevented the scouts to report this to the CPSU. And they went to capture with one machine guns. The battle went on during the day, and I personally had to evacuate the wounded by helicopter, putting the car into the bed of the Andy Koysu river.

Chechens took refuge in a cave. It was impossible to go around them on the steep slopes, and they kept the bottom of the canyon under fire. Nevertheless, the scouts managed to destroy several militants, chained to the maneuver with mortar fire. Then ensign Igor Mokrushin distinguished himself. His mortar crew laid mines in 30 – 50 meters from their scouts. Mines were delivered to the high mountainous firing position on the donkeys by residents of the neighboring villages. In this battle, the seventh "two hundredth" appeared - in addition to the guys who broke on the rocks.

The next morning, three groups of special forces went to the area of ​​the cave, and the battle broke out again. Helicopters of the Border Troops took off into the air, and I was on board one of them as the head of the All-Union Communist Party. What happened next, I have already told.

So the official statements of the press services claiming that Gelayev fatally wounded two soldiers of the FSB border guards who fell from gang guns in an unequal battle, after which the brigadier general amputated his arm, look somewhat unnatural.

Gelayevtsy cross the mountain pass. Photo found in the militants archive


Together with Gelayev, twenty bandits were killed, nine surrendered. Spetsnaz lost seven. For this operation, Alexander Musienko was presented with the Hero Star, then they beat her to the Order For Services to the Fatherland 2 degree, they even tried to award her with a nominal weapon, but in the end they did not award anything. The commander of the special forces group, Aleksey Dergunov, was awarded the Gold Star posthumously. The colonel declared weak provision of mountain equipment and uniforms for our special forces groups, but ... only made powerful enemies at the top and in 2006 was forced to resign from the GRU. All the wars in Russia at that time “ended”.

The cross marks the place where the group under the command of Musienko destroyed Ruslan Gelayev
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  1. Army1
    Army1 10 January 2013 09: 15
    All the stories about Soviet specialists in the jungle of Vietnam are far from a myth.
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 10 January 2013 12: 09
      these eagles are these guys from the GRU.
      How much heroism and simple everyday work.
      And the Serdyukov GRU special forces disassembled it. Priceless experience dispelled
      1. yak69
        yak69 27 March 2013 19: 09
        indeed, you can have the best army in the world, the best science, all the most perfect and advanced, and you just need to put a condom in the country of one traitor and in a few years, with a quiet glanders, without firing a shot (!!!) it will destroy all this power!

        And in our country, at the top of power was not one traitor, but a whole flock of comrades!
        The question alone is haunting --- HOW THEY WERE CLOSED THERE ?! To this very peak of power ?! Under the vigilant eye of the almighty KGB ?!
        And the seditious hunch comes --- maybe the KGB didn’t work for the USSR at all ?? !! ...
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 January 2013 16: 02
      kind of weird what , the article was first seen on October 19 2010 here here ---

      I see a strange thing in that the author of the release cut off the end of the author’s article, namely: ...

      Musienko Alexander, GRU special forces colonel
      Born 16 March 1964.
      He was awarded the Order of the Red Star, “For Personal Courage”, “For Service to the Homeland in the Armed Forces of the USSR” of the 3 degree, “For Merit to the Fatherland” of the 4 degree with swords and the Order of Courage.
      He fought in Afghanistan, Tajikistan and Chechnya (in the second campaign). For two years in Afghanistan, he commanded a group of the 1 company of the 154 command of the GRU Special Forces and was deputy commander of the company of the 334 command, who worked productively during ambushes on caravans with weapons coming from Pakistan and raids on strong points of the Mujahideen. In Tajikistan, Musienko led the guerrilla movement of the Popular Front. In Chechnya and Dagestan, he developed operations to eliminate three of the most odious field commanders and took direct part in them. For almost 20 years of military life he participated in more than 150 combat operations.

      - what for?

      and so, yes the hero of the article is very inspiring ...
      1. Denzel13
        Denzel13 11 January 2013 01: 13
        He previously served with Dergunov, did not know that he was dead.
    3. Lucky
      Lucky 11 January 2013 00: 47

  2. zambo
    zambo 10 January 2013 09: 27
    Low bow to the guys. At gr. "Blue Berets" is the song "Special Forces Colonel", just about such officers as Musienko.
  3. Starksa
    Starksa 10 January 2013 09: 30
    awesome article, it was interesting.
    1. Trailer
      Trailer 10 January 2013 10: 34
      The author - very competently painted everything. And the history of the commandos is funny, but the political history of Russia over the past 30 years is very clearly reflected. And a military man in it.
  4. JonnyT
    JonnyT 10 January 2013 09: 36
    Interesting article! The main character is a worthy person !!!!! My sincere respect!
  5. erased
    erased 10 January 2013 09: 44
    The favorite game of the army tops and politicians is to throw out spent officers without awards and honors, and often without money. Such is the gratitude to the authorities.
    And the colonel is one of the heroes of the legendary Soviet special forces! Honor and glory to him! And health for many years to come!
  6. andrey903
    andrey903 10 January 2013 09: 46
    The destruction of Gelaev, Basaev is taken over by a lot of people, usually starting with the colonel, before with Lenin about 70 people carried logs in memoirs. I know that some of the bloodlines destroyed, there were just accidents
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 January 2013 10: 01
      Quote: andrey903

      The destruction of Gelaev, Basaev is taken over by a lot of people, usually starting with the colonel, before with Lenin about 70 people carried logs in memoirs. I know that some of the bloodlines destroyed, there were just accidents

      In this you are right !!
      Therefore, not convincing !!
      Part of the memoirs, especially about Tajikistan and Safarov and Rakhmonov, is taken from the memoirs of another well-known special forces intelligence officer and almost word for word !!!
      By the way, that commando, an ethnic Uzbek, also has memories of the hunt for Gelayev!
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 January 2013 16: 25

      Quote: andrey903
      The destruction of Gelayev, Basayev take on a lot of people

      I will say more, I myself have never been to South America, so I think that it is not there! bully it’s just a worldwide conspiracy that pursues goals that are not yet clear to me.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 10 January 2013 19: 49
        Quote: Karlsonn
        I will say more

        Hi Carlson!
        I do not beg for some merit of Musinko !!
        But it seems to me that the author acted in bad faith !!
        He clearly sprinkled some of the material !!
        Last year I read memoirs, whether it was an Uzbek, a roofing felon of a Kyrgyz colonel, a scout, and there he wrote, word for word, everything that the author wrote here, in Tajikistan and Chechnya, or rather, about the liquidation of Gelayev, but there were other names there!
        Unfortunately, I forgot his last name !!
        I remember that I read on one of the Internet libraries, in my opinion my user gave a link to it - a survivor !!
        I will try to remember!
        1. moroz2200
          moroz2200 10 January 2013 20: 47

        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 11 January 2013 12: 21

          I pointed out a little higher that in the first I came across this article at the end of October 2010,
          Quote: Yarbay
          But it seems to me that the author acted in bad faith !!
          He clearly sprinkled some of the material !!
          so - guessing request .

          And what happened with epaulettes belay
  7. 8 company
    8 company 10 January 2013 09: 55
    There is no climbing equipment, there are no helicopters with the required performance characteristics, the Afghan experience has been largely forgotten - judging by the inability to drive convoys in Chechnya ... How many people have been talking about these KA-27s for many years, and yet neither of them nor their analogues have been in the troops . How we love to create difficulties for ourselves! Musienko, of course, is a legend, everything is supported by such people, and even by such and such a mother ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 10 January 2013 12: 46
      Quote: Company 8
      There is no climbing equipment, there are no helicopters with the required performance characteristics, the Afghan experience is largely forgotten - judging by the inability to drive convoys in Chechnya ...

      Because the Grachevs and Serdyukovs defeated the Army, driving out the specialists, leaving them without a roof over their heads and salaries. Cutting down parts, brigades, regiments indiscriminately. Therefore, bare and barefoot came to Chechnya, therefore we still cannot recover from this rout.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 10 January 2013 15: 26
        Quote: atalef
        Because the Grachevs and Serdyukovs defeated the Army, having driven out specialists,

        In particular, the famous OrdzhVOKU in 1993, just before the war in Chechnya.
        In the USSR, the training of officers (mountain training) for mountain infantry formations, units and subunits was organized in
        Ordzhonikidze Higher Combined Arms Command School named after Marshal of the Soviet Union A.I. Eremenko (OrdzhVOKU);
        Alma-Ata Higher Combined Arms Command School named after Marshal of the Soviet Union I.S. Konev (ABOKU);
        Tbilisi Higher Artillery Command School named after 26 Baku Commissars (TVAKU), (for mining and artillery units);

        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 10 January 2013 16: 20

          here if interested hi

    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 January 2013 16: 22
      8 company

      Quote: Company 8
      There is no climbing equipment, no helicopters with the required performance characteristics, the Afghan experience is largely forgotten

  8. Cadets
    Cadets 10 January 2013 10: 15
    Real man and officer! Respect for special forces and eternal memory of the fallen!
  9. borisst64
    borisst64 10 January 2013 10: 16
    The first photo is cool, if not for the Afghan cap and Arab scarf. For me, these are enemy attributes.
    1. Zynaps
      Zynaps 10 January 2013 13: 56
      badge, dude, special forces in Afghanistan worked for weeks among gangs. some worked together with the KhAD, which means they were directly working with agents from the Afghans themselves. and how do you order to go there? in the casual paratrooper uniform and chrome boots? this is exactly what operational clothing. Repeatedly from our officers, who also spent the day and night among the "spirits", I heard how after the battle they were scolded about the outrageous uniform of clothing and shoes by some visiting goat from the army headquarters.

      These are the guys from the Jalalabad detachment (even when it was commanded by Abzalimov and the chief of staff was the legendary Grigory Bykov) at the beginning of 84, together with the KhAD, they learned about a gathering in one of the villages of almost all the leaders of the bandit groups operating in the Jalalabad region. Bykov's group at night finished the entire gangster gathering of pistols with PBS and "Jalalabad lances" - sharpenings from fittings in a sheath made of a rubber hose. half a year after this action, there was peace and quiet around Jalalabad, and for Bykov's head the famous scumbag Hekmatyar promised to pay some astronomical money for Afghanistan.
    2. Uncle
      Uncle 10 January 2013 14: 10
      Quote: borisst64
      The first photo is cool,
      Exactly, and as an intellectual or a nerd, he does not look. Serious uncle.
    3. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 January 2013 16: 14

      Quote: borisst64
      if not for the Afghan cap and Arab scarf. For me, these are enemy attributes.

      Especially for you wink author's name "One among strangers", author Sergey Galitsky
  10. valokordin
    valokordin 10 January 2013 10: 23
    The first plus 8 and a half companies, and the Ka-27 helicopter is a very common helicopter in the army and navy, ask helicopter pilots. If he wasn’t in that place, that’s another question, but the Mi-8 can hang at 3 thousand meters, it’s its static ceiling, and if something is higher.
    1. psdf
      psdf 6 February 2013 14: 48
      In the region of its ceiling values, the equipment works to the limit, and most likely, confident work was required.
  11. radio operator
    radio operator 10 January 2013 11: 21
    The amazing fate of a born warrior.
    A deep bow to him from me personally.
  12. gorozhanin
    gorozhanin 10 January 2013 11: 28
    Thank you for the article about the real Russian soldier.
    I'll keep it on my blog.

    I also bow low.
  13. nnkfrschk
    nnkfrschk 10 January 2013 12: 22
    Real warriors!
  14. Orik
    Orik 10 January 2013 13: 05
    ... why do such people quit instead of becoming generals ?!
    1. Hon
      Hon 10 January 2013 13: 22
      Because we mainly become generals on parquet fronts.
  15. Humpty
    Humpty 10 January 2013 13: 07
    I liked the article very much. Mi-8 MTV is capable of much. Somehow we were dropped off at 5000 m. , the same crew two years ago completed a more serious task at 5200 m.
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 January 2013 16: 34

      on 2: 36 awesome!
  16. UzRus
    UzRus 10 January 2013 13: 14
    Yes, a man of legend! Health and good luck in everything!
    The Colonel announced the poor provision of mountain equipment and uniforms for our special forces groups, but ... he only made powerful enemies at the very top and in 2006 was forced to resign from the GRU. - In short, the richest combat experience was not needed ??? Livestock !!!
  17. Egoza
    Egoza 10 January 2013 13: 42
    Quote: UzRus
    In short, the richest combat experience was not needed ???

    So this is where to apply this experience! And what if he directs his actions to the wrong place ... away from sin and fired. Well man is still alive!
  18. Alligator_S
    Alligator_S 10 January 2013 13: 49
    "... he just made powerful enemies at the very top and in 2006 he was forced to resign from the GRU ..." - the final phrase carries a touch of doom and despair. But some mediocrity campaigner lives for himself, adapts, but benefits the country from him ...
  19. Black
    Black 10 January 2013 18: 06
    For centuries in Russia, one and the same - heroes, yes "that still mother." Heroes - true heroes - God forbid they will not end up on Russian land! But when will the skins, which in truth "eat the cereal for nothing," will run out. The bandits' equipment is two orders of magnitude higher! and this is the second Chechen, not the first! and not science !!! when the generals will crack that "cereal" !!!!
    And yet ... 49 years, resignation .. leadership has a mind ?? - such people and their experience have no price !!! The country does not need scouts in the future? Why not a teacher?
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 January 2013 19: 29

      this is always and everywhere, for example among amers and small-shavens in the army, during World War II, they suddenly realized:
      --- oh! and the Germans have a sniper, but we don’t, we must urgently cook!
      after the war, sniper schools turned down, although there are sniper schools - one name; how we arrived in Korea, to kill Koreans, again the same garbage:
      --- oh! and the Koreans have a sniper and we need to get it!
      in the 1930's, we curtailed the training program for mountain units in the Caucasus - not only that, the thought is hostile, like:
      --- and with whom are you going to fight in the Caucasus? but it seems to be healthy - where is the border, where is the Caucasus, and the Turks are Turks, but here 1942 and Kleist and Edelweiss had to shake up the entire Union at the expense of climbers and mountain skiers, start from scratch.

      So don't be upset the same thing everywhere wink
      I read the memoirs of our former, a participant in "Desert Storm" --- the amers there was such a mess that at first I did not believe it, I thought it was run, and then one infa went, the other was convinced that the truth is a madhouse is an integral part any army in the world.
      1. Zynaps
        Zynaps 10 January 2013 22: 29
        no, not everywhere. I have a rare edition "Defense of Sevastopol in documents and materials". I, as I read what was happening on the front line from the beginning of the 42nd until the fall of the hero-city, even fell into the sediment. It turns out that in the Primorsky army there was an initiative from below, when servicemen, from a medical orderly to a company political commander, went on a sniper hunt. massively. Germans and Romanians thinned out - passion. it was near Sevastopol that a school of snipers was created, which later came in handy in Stalingrad. few people remember that the sniper Lyudmila Pavlichenko sent 309 Fritzes to the Lower Tundra and received the Hero's Star in the battles for Sevastopol, when Vasily Zaitsev was still serving in the Pacific Fleet and did not even think about a sniper career.
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 11 January 2013 12: 40

          Quote: Zynaps
          it was near Sevastopol that the school of snipers was created, which later came in handy in Stalingrad.

          this is spontaneous, when the house is already on, doing sniper schools is quite and argues my arguments, the schools should have been founded before the war, the preparation methodology should have been seriously worked out, the movement of explosives personally saved us, the Britons had less, the amers it’s bad, but (I’ll repeat) when the war ended in all armies, the sniper schools turned down in order to say in a few years:
          - ah! need to create back!

          Quote: Zynaps
          few remember that sniper Lyudmila Pavlichenko sent 309 Fritz to the Lower Tundra and received the Hero Star in the battles for Sevastopol, when Vasily Zaitsev still served in the Pacific Fleet

          from the current generation, maybe I don’t know - wassat let's question those who are up to 25-ti account of this issue wassat
          but I have a photo in the frames, already from America bully

          on the picture:

          Sniper of the 54th Infantry Regiment of the 25th Infantry Division of the Primorsky Army of the North Caucasus Front, Lieutenant L.M. Pavlichenko. The photo was taken during her trip to England, the USA and Canada with a delegation of Soviet youth in the fall of 1942.

          Pavlichenko Lyudmila Mikhailovna was born in the 1916 year, a participant in the Great Patriotic War from June 1941 - a volunteer. Member of defensive battles in Moldova and in the south of Ukraine. For a good shooting training sent to a sniper platoon. Since August 1941, a participant in the heroic defense of the city of Odessa, destroyed 187 Nazis. Since October 1941, a participant in the heroic defense of the city of Sevastopol. In June 1942, Lyudmila Pavlichenko was wounded and was recalled from the front line. At this point, Lyudmila Pavlichenko destroyed 309 Nazis from a sniper rifle, including 36 enemy snipers. She was not only an excellent sniper, but also an excellent teacher. During the period of defensive battles, she trained dozens of good snipers.
          In October 1943, the title of Hero of the Soviet Union was awarded with the awarding of the Order of Lenin and the Gold Star medal (No. 1218).
      2. psdf
        psdf 6 February 2013 14: 51
        I don’t remember who exactly said (memoirs, not verbatim):
        All preparation of all the armies of the world goes to the previous war.
        No one knows what the next one will be, they can only speculate.
        Who better predicts, he wins. Whoever imposes his tactics and strategy wins.
  20. asf32wesdg
    asf32wesdg 10 January 2013 18: 35
    It just can't be !!! The FSB has created this database about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries. Really was really scared
    there are a lot of interesting things about me (addresses, phone numbers, even my photos of a different nature) - I wonder where they dug up this. In general, there are good sides - this
    Information can be deleted from the site.
    I advise you to hurry, you never know how to fumble there ...
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 10 January 2013 19: 13

      late fart, I already called the Chekists, they’ll take out the door and cut you am
  21. George
    George 10 January 2013 20: 05
    A wonderful story of an eyewitness and participant in the events.
    By the way, our commander was Vladimir Kvachkov, the same one who was tried for the attempt on Chubais. quote
    The lads did not finish the lads.
    1. Zynaps
      Zynaps 10 January 2013 22: 45
      I have a feeling that the assassination attempt on Chubayk was fake. if those people who are accused of the attempt, in fact, decided to fill up the Rusty Tolik, he would not show off right now at the head of Rusnano, but protrude in the form of a monument at the prestigious Novodevichy cemetery.

      if the scraper does not change, a shot from the grenade launcher was fired at the Merc, rushing at high speed. while any person who has studied the basics of the actions of reconnaissance groups knows perfectly well that cars attack and / or capture only in those places where they slow down. for example, at a bend. this is to be sure. or they make undermining a racing car with a special tab. but not a bullet from a grenade launcher. these are all magic tricks for the Rambo movie.

      Further. from the venue to the nearest edge of the forest was at least 500 meters of clear field with a layer of snow knee-deep. Is this a suicide club, I ask you carefully? Are there too many stupid mistakes for three former experienced GRU and Airborne Special Forces officers?

      this "attempt" is clearly something more different, but not a "flaw" ...
      1. George
        George 11 January 2013 16: 45
        Well, firstly, a landmine was used there, just a kilogram besides. And besides, two arrows for three cars.
        I don’t think that this is the work of Kvachkov’s hands - not that level of execution.
        And besides Karlsonn said that out of our multi-million population it could be any
        1. George
          George 11 January 2013 20: 53
          wrong on two cars
    2. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 11 January 2013 12: 46
      George hi

      Do you know that more than 148 000 000 people were suspected of an attempt on Chubais? winked
      1. George
        George 11 January 2013 16: 53
        Karlsonn Hello hi

        And there are enough reasons for this. Although this option suits me
  22. Nechai
    Nechai 10 January 2013 20: 38
    Quote: Army1
    All the stories about Soviet specialists in the jungle of Vietnam are far from a myth.

    And not only the Hungarian People's Republic. In Laos, not only was the CIA support base with its inhabitants scattered about (yeah, such an internship, after courses conducted by the Vietnamese, on work and survival in the jungle /, but also the "Hugh Cobra" was commandeered and driven to North Vietnam. only, only these turntables were shipped for field trials.
    And the Berlin Special Forces Brigade?!?!?! - That's who caused shock and awe among the "civilized" warriors! They played a little, a little, and the Yankees somehow suddenly refused to place nuclear bombs on the ground of their European friends. When they were provided with reliable data from an unnamed source, WHAT exactly the amers bury them! That the conclusion of the Europeans was unequivocal - this is not for the destruction of Russian land mines. This is for turning Europe into a desert scorched by radiation! And as a cover for this, the cavboys will easily provoke the Russian bear to rush at them ...
  23. moroz2200
    moroz2200 10 January 2013 20: 42
    R. Gelayev's death occurred on February 28. in a battle with a border guard. 2 border guards received the high title "Hero of Russia". To tell that he had been lying under the snow since December, and after 2 months he was found as good as new, in my opinion too ... And a bike about a car with Maskhadov and girls !! Generally a song !!! Someone thinks something up or makes mistakes ...
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 11 January 2013 12: 54

      and what? In what way is the Izvestia newspaper truer and more authoritative than other sources?

      I’ll say the scary thing when Cuba was banged, several guerrilla unit commanders took responsibility, although some instead of medals raked the Lyuli, but this is a different story. Success he is such laughing Remember what knowledgeable people said:

      Victory has many fathers and only defeat is an orphan.
      1. moroz2200
        moroz2200 11 January 2013 22: 55
        And then! The fact that Gelayev lay under the snow for 2 months, from December to February, and then he thawed out, and everything lay next to him, even what he burned is still there ??? Watch Sladkov's report. Everything is clear there. Border guards saw him alive, and those who survived and those who still overwhelmed him at the cost of their lives. And traces were laid in the mountains for Gelayev ... Something the respected author is probably confusing. Or maybe "Musik" ....
  24. Kaetani
    Kaetani 10 January 2013 21: 11
    Or the official version is not version
  25. Turdaun
    Turdaun 11 January 2013 16: 40
    Honor and glory to you, great man.
  26. Iraclius
    Iraclius 15 January 2013 14: 59
    The amazing fate of a man and an officer. A real professional is felt. I liked the style of presentation - concise, if not stingy. But everything is very clear and understandable. I’m reading about Musienko for the first time, but not having read the article to the end, I have already understood that he will receive “defeat” not from enemies and not in fair combat. It is bitter to admit, but such are our traditions in the Fatherland - smart, intelligent, initiative people with sensible suggestions, independent, are defeated by managers. I reread here recently "Bayazet", "Tsushima" ... Nothing has changed since then.
  27. Armavir
    Armavir 16 January 2013 14: 22
    Blessed memory to the fallen, health survivors !!! and GLORY TO HEROES !!!
  28. ermak05
    ermak05 24 January 2013 20: 24
    Patriot. And this is the main point.