Foreign Policy: US-supplied weapons to Ukraine will not help the Armed Forces of Ukraine repel the offensive of the Russian army

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The United States and its allies are increasing military assistance to Ukraine, but American military equipment and weapon will not help Kiev in the confrontation with Russia. This is written by the American edition of Foreign Policy.

The military assistance of the collective West, sent to Ukraine, does not contribute to the solution of the protracted crisis, and, moreover, it will not intimidate Putin and will not help the Ukrainian army to repel the offensive of the Russian army, if it takes place. This conclusion was made by analysts of the Rand Corporation expert structure, engaged in military research commissioned by the Pentagon.



According to the publication, referring to the study of the analytical group, the weapons supplied to Ukraine will not play a serious role in the collision of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the Russian army, their levels are too different. The modern Ukrainian army was created to counter the militia of Donbass and does not pose a serious threat to the Russian troops.

Despite Kiev's loud statements about the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and seven years of "containment" of the Russian army, in fact, the Ukrainian army did not clash with Russian troops. All clashes in the Donbass took place with the militias, i.e. civilians trained by Russian instructors. The Russian army intervened directly in the conflict only twice - near Ilovaisk and Debaltseve. Both clashes ended in a crushing defeat for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and nothing from the modern arsenal was used there, for example aviation and rockets.

In the event of a war, Russia will not send to Ukraine Tanks, as expected in Kiev, but will inflict a series of air and missile strikes on troop concentrations, headquarters, airfields and warehouses. The capabilities of the Russian army give it the opportunity to wage war remotely, no one will attack the fortifications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine created in the Donbass in the forehead, they will simply be bypassed. No American and British weapons such as the NLAW ATGM will help the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Moreover, one should not rely on the sanctions of the West, which threatens the United States. If Russia is ready to start a war, then it is aware of all the consequences and ignores them.

The military balance between Russia and Ukraine is so skewed in favor of Moscow that any help that Washington can provide in the coming weeks will mean little (...)

- writes the edition.

If the United States wants to help Ukraine, then Washington needs to look for diplomatic ways to resolve the conflict, and not increase the supply of useless weapons, giving Kiev unjustified self-confidence.
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  1. +25
    23 January 2022 11: 04
    There, in the Nezalezhnoy, they didn’t call babies Javelins an hour?
    1. +9
      23 January 2022 11: 19
      Everything is still ahead! Maybe the Bidens will appear if there, somewhere, something ...
      1. -2
        23 January 2022 11: 25
        Quote: aleks neym_2
        Maybe the Bidens will appear,

        Streets in cities will be called Bidens
        1. +3
          23 January 2022 13: 00
          Soon on the streets of Ukraine, little obyata! And this is not a joke! wink
          1. 0
            24 January 2022 21: 46
            The Americans write correctly: in the confrontation with the Russian army, Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine nothing will not help! lol
        2. 0
          23 January 2022 15: 15
          Quote: Seryoga64
          Quote: aleks neym_2
          Maybe the Bidens will appear,

          Streets in cities will be called Bidens
          The word began to have a certain meaning -
          “baida” is nonsense, meaningless talk;
          worthless thing - an object, action or fact. breed a canoe - talk in vain, invent. So, let the Maydanuts carry all sorts of canoes and call their streets by canoe names. hi
          1. -2
            23 January 2022 15: 19
            Quote: 30 vis
            So, let the Maydanuts carry any canoe

            They didn't stop carrying it. hi
          2. AAK
            +1
            23 January 2022 16: 21
            Colleague, we can so agree that Biden is a direct descendant of the historical founder of the Zaporizhzhya Sich, Cossack Bayda ... :)))
            1. 0
              23 January 2022 18: 24
              Oh, a descendant of the Biden macaque. and all his camarilla.
              1. +3
                24 January 2022 19: 47
                Do not insult the monkeys with such a comparison, they are not related to him!
                1. +2
                  24 January 2022 20: 14
                  Quote: Sergey3
                  Do not insult the monkeys with such a comparison, they are not related to him!

                  Understood . Guilty. I'll fix it. he is Biden.
        3. 0
          23 January 2022 17: 23
          So already in Kiev there is a John McCain street
        4. +3
          23 January 2022 21: 23
          Quote: Seryoga64
          Streets in cities will be called Bidens

          ======
          As for Biden - I won’t say - I don’t know, but the fact that there is a John McCain street in Kiev is a FACT! This is an Army friend (he is a resident of Kiev) for 3 years already as he reported! Previously, it seemed like Ivan Kudri was called ...... There was such a Soviet intelligence officer ... And now the Yankees called the street the name of "shizanutgo" .... It happens .... fool
          1. +1
            24 January 2022 10: 43
            This is for the burnt aircraft carrier laughing
      2. 0
        23 January 2022 13: 18
        Of all the things in the EU, Ukrainian young ladies are the most similar to real living women, so it is possible ... definitely not excluded, even if later everything turns out to be untrue)).
      3. -2
        23 January 2022 13: 59
        Quote: aleks neym_2
        Everything is still ahead! Maybe the Bidens will appear if there, somewhere, something ...


        The number of weapons can only help if there is time to train them to use, to create an infrastructure for their maintenance. Moreover, the number of those trained to use this weapon should be calculated by a serious number of fighters, otherwise all this is just useless iron, which, at best, will be thrown into battle, or even remain in warehouses - unclaimed.
        1. +1
          23 January 2022 18: 32
          Quote: Orel
          The number of weapons can only help if there is time to train them to use, to create an infrastructure for their maintenance.

          in Afghanistan, remember, there was such a country, they trained and organized, and how did it help?
    2. +2
      23 January 2022 11: 30
      Quote: SPQR
      There, in the Nezalezhnoy, they didn’t call babies Javelins an hour?

      New trend - Bayraktars.
    3. +1
      23 January 2022 13: 06
      Quote: SPQR
      There, in the Nezalezhnoy, they didn’t call babies Javelins an hour?

      And Javelins and Bayraktars ... these are brave guys laughing laughing laughing
  2. -11
    23 January 2022 11: 08
    Of course they won't help. I don’t understand these enthusiasm for the Javelins at all. As if a modern war will be fought in tank columns, like World War II.
    But MANPADS would help.
    1. +7
      23 January 2022 11: 17
      That's just from MANPADS there is practically no sense. They may have helped the Dushmans, but in a real war, after the suppression of the air defense system, the planes will bomb from the heights of an inaccessible MANPADS.
      1. -6
        23 January 2022 11: 30
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        That's just from MANPADS there is practically no sense. They may have helped the Dushmans, but in a real war, after the suppression of the air defense system, the planes will bomb from the heights of an inaccessible MANPADS.

        What is the point here? If we are talking about a full-fledged occupation, then you still have to fight guerrilla warfare and so on. And here MANPADS will definitely be a big hindrance, ATGMs are much smaller
        1. +1
          23 January 2022 11: 46
          Quote: Hiroo Onoda
          will have to fight partisan war

          Now tell me when is Novorossiya, created by Russia, for 300 years of its existence, at least once fought with Russia, at least openly, at least covertly.

          And under the official government of Russia, numerous neighbors will gladly hand over the few Turks - "partisans".
    2. +6
      23 January 2022 11: 18
      Leaders in Kiev and in the West are hoping for tank columns and infantry chains, they VERY want to see thousands of corpses of Russian soldiers, they no longer hide this.
      1. +8
        23 January 2022 12: 51
        In the event of a war, Russia will not send tanks to Ukraine, as expected in Kiev, but will launch a series of air and missile strikes against troop concentrations, headquarters, airfields and warehouses. The capabilities of the Russian army give it the opportunity to wage war remotely
        Oh, very well put!
    3. +1
      23 January 2022 11: 19
      And MANPADS will not help. Only a modern layered air defense system and a strong air force. In the same Afghanistan, for technical reasons, Soviet aviation lost more aircraft than was lost from the Stingers, and now the combat capabilities of front-line aviation have increased even more.
      1. +6
        23 January 2022 11: 26
        But what a powerful ADVERTISING company was about these Stingers, only a dumb person did not talk about these complexes. This is observed even now only with the Bayraktars, almost a weapon more terrible than an atomic one.
    4. +2
      23 January 2022 11: 20
      MANPADS, I remember, they also threw
    5. +3
      23 January 2022 11: 26
      Quote: Hiroo Onoda
      But MANPADS would help.

      Russian aviation can rise above 4000 m, where the Stingers cannot reach them ...
      1. -8
        23 January 2022 11: 33
        Quote: yuriy55
        Quote: Hiroo Onoda
        But MANPADS would help.

        Russian aviation can rise above 4000 m, where the Stingers cannot reach them ...

        If it will be a targeted strike and withdrawal, then yes. Stinger to one place. And if the retention of territory and the fight against partisans is another matter.
        1. +2
          23 January 2022 13: 45
          Quote: Hiroo Onoda
          if holding territory and fighting partisans is another matter.

          If there is an occupation, then LOCAL power and 1000 euros for the head of the right-wingers / terrbatovtsy ...
          They cut themselves...
      2. +1
        23 January 2022 11: 51
        Will the helicopters of the wounded also be lifted aboard from a height of 5000m? Does an airplane dive from 5000m to 0m in 1 ms?
        1. +5
          23 January 2022 12: 44
          Quote: evgen1221
          Will the helicopters of the wounded also be lifted aboard from a height of 5000m?

          Did they tell you this at the General Staff? Where the helicopters will fly low, there will no longer be any shooters or Stingers ...
          Quote: evgen1221
          Does an airplane dive from 5000m to 0m in 1 ms?

          With your tactics, contact the Armed Forces of Ukraine ... Ours in Syria have worked everything out - they will figure it out.
          Yes
          1. +1
            23 January 2022 18: 52
            And the fact that they won’t be there in the same general staff of sofa troops told you, and how, from a height of more than 5 km, to remove a target between stones in crevices from a run? And who and how will promptly support the ground team with fire during an ambush, so as not to put their own? The departure of the plane pays off in clusters, and when there is a chance to put your own in half, then the turntables are exactly the scalpel,
            1. -1
              23 January 2022 19: 03
              Quote: evgen1221
              and how, from a height of more than 5 km, to remove a target between stones in crevices from a run?

              Drones, thermobaric warheads and vacuum bombs successfully fight such targets ...
              1. +2
                23 January 2022 20: 28
                And drones also take out the wounded from the mountains, how many of them are stuffed into a turntable and UAVs?
    6. +1
      23 January 2022 11: 27
      Quote: Hiroo Onoda
      . As if a modern war will be fought in tank columns, like World War II.

      Aha. And infantry attacks with shouts of "Hurrah"
      1. +5
        23 January 2022 11: 36
        Quote: Seryoga64
        Quote: Hiroo Onoda
        . As if a modern war will be fought in tank columns, like World War II.

        Aha. And infantry attacks with shouts of "Hurrah"

        Of course, you can mock and be ironic, but no matter what the modern war may be, without infantry - nowhere ...
        And where the infantry is, there are columns. Not only tanks. Nobody canceled the supply. Fighters need to eat, replenish ammunition, zip, take out the wounded, rotate, etc.
        Name at least one war in the entire history of mankind that would have been won without a ground operation.
        1. -4
          23 January 2022 11: 42
          Quote: Dude
          And where the infantry is, there are columns.

          I'm talking about bayonet attacks
          And the infantry will enter the outskirts when all resistance is suppressed remotely
          1. +2
            23 January 2022 12: 01
            Quote: Seryoga64
            Quote: Dude
            And where the infantry is, there are columns.

            I'm talking about bayonet attacks
            And the infantry will enter the outskirts when all resistance is suppressed remotely

            Sounds nice. But, not at all doubting the overwhelming superiority of our Armed Forces over the Armed Forces of Ukraine, however, I want to remind you that the enemy army has about a quarter of a million bayonets.
            Anyway, it's a number.
            And you can't get by with hats alone. Hats can (and should !!) solve this problem in 2014.
            Now the APU muscles pumped up. And the "partners", moreover, in an emergency mode, feed them with fairly modern weapons. But this problem must be solved. And then we are going, for the eighth year already, along the classical path of Disraeli, risking, like him, both shame and war.
            1. -3
              23 January 2022 12: 04
              Quote: Dude
              however, I want to remind you that the enemy army has about a quarter of a million bayonets.

              Yes, no one will go to the bayonet to love
              1. 0
                23 January 2022 12: 11
                Quote: Seryoga64
                Quote: Dude
                however, I want to remind you that the enemy army has about a quarter of a million bayonets.

                Yes, no one will go to the bayonet to love

                "Bayonets", in the sense of combatants.
                Why are you so obsessed with bayonet attacks? what
                1. -3
                  23 January 2022 12: 17
                  Quote: Dude
                  Why are you so obsessed with bayonet attacks?

                  Remind me how the conversation started
                  Aha. And infantry attacks with shouts of "Hurrah"
                  1. 0
                    23 January 2022 12: 40
                    Quote: Seryoga64
                    Quote: Dude
                    Why are you so obsessed with bayonet attacks?

                    Remind me how the conversation started
                    Aha. And infantry attacks with shouts of "Hurrah"

                    Well, in that case, I will remind you of my first and main objection to your thesis:
                    ... no matter what modern war is, without infantry - nowhere ... Name at least one war in the entire history of mankind that would have been won without a ground operation.

                    By the way, do not answer, not cunningly, the question posed?
                    APU is a serious adversary. Yes, definitely inferior in class, but serious. Not Georgia, and not even Maskhadov and Khattab.
                    And besides the bayonets you so often mention, they, after all, have something else from the forces and means, and their structure and management (with the support of "partners", of course) are also by no means partisan.
                    The way you draw (attacks on critical nodes of the military infrastructure, logistics centers, headquarters, warehouses and supply routes, moreover, using mainly precision and remote weapons trained by the DRG, detachments of the SOF and the most trained units of other branches of the military) is, of course, well, and correctly.
                    This is exactly how you need to fight in our difficult high-tech and postmodern
                    time.

                    But, will there be enough qualifications, forces, means, support and coordination?
                    And by using this resource, won't we weaken our capacity to protect against other threats?
                    That's the question. And he is difficult.
                    But! I repeat, IMHO, the issue under discussion must be resolved. Tightening is like death.
                    Although, of course, I would like to believe that the time of guns has not yet come, that diplomats still have the opportunity to reach agreements...
                    But I can’t believe it, and that’s it © (O. Mityaev), to be honest.
                    Best regards, Sergey. hi
                    1. -3
                      23 January 2022 12: 48
                      Quote: Dude
                      By the way, do not answer, not cunningly, the question posed?

                      Let me remind you again
                      I was not talking about INFANTRY as such. I talked about bayonet attacks
                      Will they or won't they?
              2. 0
                23 January 2022 21: 53
                Quote: Seryoga64
                Yes, no one will go to the bayonet to love
                There will be no psychic attack at all...?
        2. 0
          23 January 2022 13: 25
          Sorry, but this is Serbia in plain sight! As far as I remember, the Serbs (the military, anyway) passionately desired a NATO ground operation in order to come face to face.
          1. +1
            23 January 2022 16: 46
            Sorry, but this is Serbia in plain sight! As far as I remember, the Serbs (the military, anyway) passionately desired a NATO ground operation in order to come face to face. AND

            NATO bombed and burned everything there, really, practically, only the Kyrgyz Republic and aviation.
            Ground operations were carried out under the flags of various Ustashe.
            By the way, and Belgrade is not taken. If only from the inside.
  3. +7
    23 January 2022 11: 08
    In the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, Georgia was helped a lot by imported instructors and imported weapons, the surprise factor + worldwide support (as they thought) ??? And then the Russian army was different, and now the Ukrainian government thinks that they will not repeat the fate of Tbilisi???
    1. +6
      23 January 2022 11: 22
      Quote: Murmur 55
      In the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, Georgia was helped a lot by imported instructors and imported weapons, the surprise factor + worldwide support (as they thought) ???

      And the magazine is actually quite serious, not some kind of jaundice. And here they have such a very remarkable caveat:
      any help that Washington can provide in the coming weeks,
      1. +2
        23 January 2022 11: 28
        NDR-791, so they and the families of diplomats gathered for export, what is this real preparation for a provocation or raising the stakes in the game?
        1. 0
          23 January 2022 11: 55
          Quote: Murmur 55
          NDR-791, so they and the families of diplomats gathered for export

          Not the fact that this is not a simple informational noise. This export can also be explained by a simple rotation. Only we in the media do not hear all the information, but only a part of it that someone needs. As Yozya said, the more monstrous the lie, the faster they will believe in it.
    2. +3
      23 January 2022 11: 32
      Quote: Murmur 55
      Ukrainian government thinks that they do not repeat the fate of Tbilisi???

      Apparently that's what they hope. After all, Tbilisi escaped with a slight fright.
      1. +1
        23 January 2022 11: 47
        The jacket is EXACTLY why the West is pushing Kiev to do something like this, and if they had put pressure on it and done everything according to the MIND, now it would be a very good example, but history does not tolerate the subjunctive mood, so we have what we have, I tirelessly write kindness will save the WORLD, BUT IT WILL GO SIDE RUSSIA.
  4. sen
    +2
    23 January 2022 11: 11
    In the event of a war, Russia will not send tanks to Ukraine, as expected in Kiev, but will launch a series of air and missile strikes against troop concentrations, headquarters, airfields and warehouses.

    At first, Russia can get by with remote strikes: cruise missiles, Iskanders.
    1. +2
      23 January 2022 11: 15
      If an armed conflict cannot be avoided (God forbid), I hope that this is exactly how our V.S.
      1. +2
        23 January 2022 12: 19
        I'm sure it will. Even in 2014 and 2015, the North Wind acted in this way: identifying enemy firing points, destroying them with artillery. Ours have not been sitting still for all this time, now there are more advanced means of reconnaissance and fire damage + complete air superiority.
    2. -2
      23 January 2022 11: 31
      Quote: sen
      cruise missiles, Iskanders.

      "Iskanders" seem to have already pulled up
  5. +2
    23 January 2022 11: 16
    No weapons can stop what will not happen, unless, of course, inadequate people like Saakashvili decide to fight.
    1. +5
      23 January 2022 11: 22
      This is the calculation, what distinguishes Saakashvili from Zelensky ?! The West loses practically nothing, the attempt is not torture.
      1. +1
        23 January 2022 14: 05
        Quote: Murmur 55
        The West loses practically nothing, the attempt is not torture.

        Yeah .... only there is such a thing as force majeure. It is always in contracts. And if Ukraine declares war on the Russian Federation, we will announce the impossibility of transporting gas to the EU through Ukraine under force majeure.
        And right there:
        1) SP2 is certified in 10 minutes
        2) the German ambassador (with the support of the Bundeswehr special forces) will personally cut off Ze's head and take him to Moscow with the words "The clown has done a trick here - but we have already solved all the problems !!!"
    2. +1
      23 January 2022 11: 24
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      unless, of course, inadequate people like Saakashvili decide to fight.

      Unfortunately, the gun hanging on the wall in the first act fires in the second. All the same, you will have to treat, not by military force, so by political
    3. 0
      23 January 2022 11: 32
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      unless, of course, inadequate people like Saakashvili decide to fight.

      It is unlikely that Saakashvili himself chose this path and decided to start a war. There is an opinion that, like Zelensky, he is being led by Western "friends". When the criminal case and persecution of Saakashvili began, no one raised a howl in defense of this democratic ex-president. Because he is no longer of interest, waste material.
  6. -1
    23 January 2022 11: 19
    If the United States wants to help Ukraine, then Washington needs to look for diplomatic ways to resolve the conflict, and not increase the supply of useless weapons,

    If the United States wants to help Ukraine, then Washington needs to force Pan Ze to fulfill its obligations (Minsk agreements). Just.
    1. -3
      23 January 2022 11: 30
      What does the Minsk agreements have to do with it if, after their implementation, Ukraine joins NATO?
      1. +3
        23 January 2022 11: 37
        Do you seriously believe that they are waiting there? They don't need them. In order to place your troops there, there are many scenarios. For example, a good article, read:
        And apparently, they have already come up with a rationale for the occupation of Ukraine. The "Russian invasion" is too dangerous and uncontrollable an event that does not fit well as a backdrop for the transfer and deployment of alliance forces. But, for example, the riots, which can be declared "Moscow's hybrid aggression", are quite. Especially if they are headed by a proven and reliable person, like the same Poroshenko. Zelensky and his team appeal to NATO for help in the fight against the insurgency, and then the “Kazakh scenario” for Ukraine is turned on.

        Actually, the transfer of military contingents of the alliance is already underway. Thus, Global News, citing sources in the Canadian Ministry of Defense, reports that a detachment of special forces has been sent to Ukraine. In addition, there is an intensive transfer of British special forces. Only recently, four S-17 aircraft with personnel and weapons arrived in the "square". This is to the forces already on the territory of the country. There is also information about putting mobile units in Poland and Romania on alert and moving them to the Ukrainian border.
        Source: https://news-front.info/2022/01/18/besporyadki-na-ukraine-kak-povod-dlya-vtorzheniya-nato
        1. 0
          23 January 2022 11: 55
          Their spetsura is there only for the purpose of confirming the presence of a concentration of Russian troops in the Donbass, this is their task off.
      2. -1
        23 January 2022 13: 16
        After Ukraine starts a real war against Russia, it will fulfill its mission. The implementation of the Minsk agreements is not part of the tasks of Ukrainian Gauleiters.
        What will happen after this is unknown, but there will be no one and nowhere to enter, since the survivors of the Third World War will be preoccupied with the search for food. hiIf you take a closer look at ancient artifacts in many countries, humanity has already experienced such crises. However, it was necessary to start everything from scratch, and a modern villager from Europe will not survive in the forest, unlike a taiga villager from the Far East or Siberia. hi
    2. 0
      23 January 2022 11: 31
      Crusher, and who will give guarantees that after fulfilling all the conditions of Minsk-2, the Ukrainian authorities will not strengthen the border and will not clean up the Donbass like in the Balkans by the forces of ext. baht?
      1. -1
        23 January 2022 11: 35
        This would already be a violation of international rules. And our peacekeepers will be there first legally
        1. 0
          23 January 2022 11: 43
          Crusher and Yugoslavia, specifically Serbia and ethnic cleansing is not an example ??? The "civilized" world turned a blind eye to this, in their opinion, there was NOTHING that violated world rules. And in our case, add the factor that some leaders of the West do not even consider us Russians as people.
          1. +2
            23 January 2022 11: 50
            Putin has repeatedly stated that there are NO alternatives to the Minsk agreements. Only war. And in the case of Yugoslavia, Russia showed weakness. Other countries (such as China) at that time could not oppose the hegemon. Only since 2007, after the Munich speech, the hegemon began to put spokes in the wheels
  7. +3
    23 January 2022 11: 22
    Too many contradictions in the American article.
    1) The author of the article claims that the war will be remote. But no matter how remote it is, tanks and infantry will have to be brought in sooner or later, because the territory is considered yours only when your ground forces are there. so the introduction of armored vehicles and infantry is inevitable. Attacks on headquarters, on clusters, this is understandable, but I don’t think that in the event of a war, the matter will be limited to this.
    2) The author of the article points out that there will be no frontal attacks on the fortified areas, they will simply be bypassed from the flanks. Everything is correct, but this maneuver will again be done by armored and motorized rifle units. .Yes, and in modern warfare, the breakthrough of lines is carried out not by frontal attacks by a mass of infantry tanks, but by assault groups that capture strongholds ..
    The one who wrote this is a person who does not think anything in military affairs.
    1. +1
      23 January 2022 11: 31
      By the way, can I ask you to send a link to the original article?
      "Military Review", unfortunately, does not even give the title of the article, not to mention the link.
      1. +2
        23 January 2022 11: 38
        Quote: PavelV
        By the way, can I ask you to send a link to the original article?

        Unfamiliar with the original. .I agree that the link to the original must be
        1. 0
          23 January 2022 12: 37
          It's clear. I apologize for the concern, according to your comment, it seemed to me that you have it.
    2. -2
      23 January 2022 11: 36
      The entry of troops is inevitable.
      ...... why ..... the remote control will be the most effective ... that is, to finish off what the Kiev junta did not have time to ruin ... and that’s all, and there the local rats will already fragment the square on a bloody scale and tear each other ...which is already observed
      1. +1
        23 January 2022 11: 43
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        why ..... a remote control will be the most effective ...

        The remote control is effective only for the first few days .. If you do not take control of the territory, what's the point of starting all this?
        1. -1
          23 January 2022 11: 51
          ..if you don't take control
          .... and you don’t need to take control ... The LDNR Armed Forces are already combat-ready and, most importantly, they are motivated and able to take control of their real borders .... otherwise what’s next ... it will be easier to negotiate with local princelings due to the complete depletion of infrastructure for dialogue will go easily
          1. +1
            23 January 2022 12: 16
            Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
            The Armed Forces of the LDNR are already combat-ready and, most importantly, they are motivated and able to take control of their real borders

            This means that the LDNR Armed Forces will have losses.
            1. -1
              23 January 2022 12: 19
              This means that the LDNR Armed Forces will have losses.
              .... well, as if in combat, losses cannot be avoided ... but with air support, remote losses can be reduced to zero
      2. +3
        23 January 2022 11: 45
        I look at the opinion of many commentators ... and I notice something funny. How "Americanized" everyone is. After all, it was about the American army that they told how weak it is in close combat, and how it fights with long-range missiles. And now they sing the same song.
        ***
        In fact, it is impossible to take out modern armed forces with air strikes / missile forces alone.
        During the invasion of Iraq in 2003, a large number of Iraqi divisions were deployed north of Baghdad, expecting a strike through the territory of Turkey (it was not expected in vain, only in late February - early March, the Turkish parliament forbade the Americans to use the country's territory for aggression). Also, some divisions of Iraq stood on the border with Iran.
        Both the first and second relatively successfully maneuvered under American airstrikes. Topchy (the book "Second Iraqi War") cited data that they lost less than 10 percent of materiel and l / s. And the collapse of the army happened only after they defeated the divisions of the Republican Guard on the outskirts of the capital in a land battle and occupied Baghdad.
        1. -1
          23 January 2022 12: 27
          During the invasion of Iraq in 2003
          ... well, they entered ... and what is Iraq like now? stupidly specific places with partisans .. who have learned to skillfully loot and kill with impunity .... this can happen with vnau ... if ... yes, although this is no longer important for jackals
    3. 0
      23 January 2022 11: 43
      Bypassing fortified areas from the flanks is, of course, good. But at the beginning of peace enforcement, you can go through the neighboring area and take them into the cauldron. What's the point of risking your life again? Hold on and wait. They will come out on their own.
      1. 0
        23 January 2022 11: 46
        Quote: Volkov
        you can go through the neighboring area and take them to the cauldron.

        Tanks and motorized infantry will enter .. And in the article the author excludes the introduction of armored vehicles and motorized infantry
      2. 0
        23 January 2022 12: 01
        Bypass fortified areas from the flanks,
        ...... vnau has already opened the land market for foreigners (well, respectively, except for citizens of the Russian Federation), well, you can move a horse through a figurehead to buy land along with these fortified areas .... and the wolves are safe and the sheep are full .. that is, on the contrary
  8. -1
    23 January 2022 11: 27
    If the United States wants to help Ukraine, then Washington needs to look for diplomatic ways to resolve the conflict, and not increase the supply of useless weapons, giving Kiev unjustified self-confidence.

    So maybe initially America's goal is not to help Ukraine so that they can live peacefully and calmly, but to make Ukrainians more fun to go to war with Russia.
    1. 0
      23 January 2022 12: 12
      so that the Ukrainians more cheerfully fled to the war with Russia.
      ... it’s unlikely ... only the stubborn have formidable moods .. but they won’t go to the front .. and if they were on the front, they had all the characteristic wound in the lilac part of their skin ... motivation is needed ... and she there are practically no citizens of Ukraine ... so ... grunting in the kitchen that they say de Russia is so nasty and that’s all ... the LDNR Armed Forces, on the contrary, are 2% motivated .. because they lost their relatives, relatives, comrades, friends. .yes, it’s just that the destruction of their shelter by Bandera’s people .... maybe it’ll pick up five thousand degenerates and stubborn people who can pick up a plumbum and get the powder treasured plots of land 2 by one and a half and a cozy wooden house XNUMX meters underground and that’s all
      1. 0
        23 January 2022 12: 44
        Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
        shelter .... maybe it will pick up five thousand degenerates and stoned

        Oh oh
        Don't underestimate the enemy.
        1. +1
          23 January 2022 13: 04
          Don't underestimate the enemy.
          .... and what is the underestimation ... is that a huge mass of the male population of the young was dumped over the hill (who is in Europe, who is in the Russian Federation) and who remained .... and women are put on military registration ... the technique is dead .. and the one that will be provided from behind the hillock needs to be serviced, but there is no finance and even ammunition .. even if the cartridge plant could not be realized, then where the ammunition will be taken ... there is practically no aviation ....
          neither motivation nor sensible weapons ... that's the assessment
  9. +5
    23 January 2022 11: 28
    Let's face it, ATGMs, MANPADS, grenade launchers are delivered to Ukraine not on the basis that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will fight back. They are supplied based on the deployment of a sabotage / guerrilla war in case Russia occupies some territories of Ukraine. All American "mrii", from among those that they voice, is precisely about how to "arrange a new Afghanistan for the Russians."
  10. -1
    23 January 2022 11: 28
    And Nafig pump up? They believe in their invincibility...
    [Center]
    1. +2
      23 January 2022 12: 18
      Well, the Japanese soldiers also believed in their invincibility, so what? They were also loaded with propaganda. Even the suicide bombers did not help them.
      At the same time, the Svidomo spirit "busido" is not and never was. They rather have the spirit of buhido developed. lol And run away. wassat
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  11. +3
    23 January 2022 11: 38
    In all the actions of forces hostile to Russia, one small task can be traced, which will lead to a big fire. This is the use of force and the actual killing of people. And then the active polarization of the confrontation will begin. Therefore, one can only admire Russian diplomacy and its leaders who keep the situation under control.
  12. +3
    23 January 2022 11: 46
    Foreign policy:
    . That's what immediately catches your eye ... the journalistic brethren, or rather artisans from journalism, have been fighting for a long time and with might and main !!! Various politicians got involved in that process.
    But the real military and real politicians behave with restraint, as much as possible.
    1. +2
      23 January 2022 12: 01
      Good time ! hi

      This is how it always happens lately, all for the sake of political gain, and everyone doesn’t give a damn about Ukraine ...
      1. +2
        23 January 2022 12: 31
        Hi soldier
        The main thing is that the picture is "beautiful"!
        So many things will be wrapped around her that later the devil himself will not understand what it was, in general.
        1. +2
          23 January 2022 18: 15
          Uh-huh, and under the picture are gingerbread cookies that they will all get ...
          1. +1
            23 January 2022 19: 25
            The gingerbreads themselves get to those who need it, and everyone else only gets a taste of what they were not allowed to try. That's what malasy are, they know how to feed their wards with illusions so that they have a feeling of satiety, at least for a while.
            1. +2
              23 January 2022 21: 03
              Yes, they fed to the fullest ...
  13. 0
    23 January 2022 11: 58
    Hello article. In my opinion, it is obvious that for military operations against the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Russian Federation has the means to avoid engaging in "street" battles. First, the missiles will hit the headquarters and air defense - they will secure the air, then what needs to be finalized is aviation and cannon artillery. And "miners" will work on the ground.
  14. +2
    23 January 2022 11: 59
    Moreover, one should not rely on the sanctions of the West, which threatens the United States.


    Smart people understand everything, but politicians continue to convince of the benefits of eating cacti ...
    1. +1
      23 January 2022 12: 33
      Go now, figure out who really understands, and who skillfully pretends to be.
      If you look for the truth of life anywhere, then it is far from the "seething" process.
      1. +2
        23 January 2022 18: 18
        No one is interested in the truth, everyone is interested in their own truth and interests ...
        1. +1
          23 January 2022 19: 26
          This is so, their Wishlist is above all .. despite the fact that their wards defend their Wishlist as their own!
          Some kind of naivety, they climbed a Willow tree and think there to wait right now, full pants.
          1. +2
            23 January 2022 21: 07
            Everyone wants to see their happiness and do not care that it is at the expense of others, but we can’t do that ...
            1. +1
              23 January 2022 21: 16
              The mentality is different and the soul, our spirit is Russian.
              They never knew how and did not want to live at the expense of others.
  15. 0
    23 January 2022 12: 04
    There are sober-minded people.
  16. 0
    23 January 2022 12: 11
    Foreign Policy: US-supplied weapons to Ukraine will not help the Armed Forces of Ukraine repel the offensive of the Russian army

    Will it actually be an offensive? belay
    Or is it only in your wet dreams "come, Russia, attack, hard, hard, ah-ah-ah"! fellow wassat wassat
  17. -2
    23 January 2022 12: 18
    so, I didn’t understand, it’s that an American analytical group stole my comment on topvarchik? I demand payment for copyright infringement!
  18. +2
    23 January 2022 12: 32
    The most convenient option for all parties to resolve the crisis in Ukraine through diplomacy is Ukraine's declaration of the status of a neutral country and granting independence to Donbass in accordance with the Minsk agreements... In this case, Ukraine will be able to focus on solving its economic problems and receive support from Russia. The West is not interested in the economic development of Ukraine, support from Russia can be expected on a mutually beneficial basis, and Russia will be interested in this.
    1. -1
      23 January 2022 12: 48
      Quote: was-witek
      The most convenient option for everyone

      Well, you yourself wrote that it’s not at all for everyone
      The West is not interested
    2. -1
      23 January 2022 12: 55
      As soon as Ukraine fulfills Minsk, the regions will have the opportunity to federalize, everyone will scatter with their lands to different countries laughing
    3. 0
      23 January 2022 13: 36
      This is not only convenient, but also the most sensible scenario, only the possibility of such an outcome in the current situation is practically zero. The United States needs a war, not a global-local one, this will help the economy and strengthen Washington's dominance in Europe. first of all, to us, to Ukraine itself and to Europe as a whole.
  19. -5
    23 January 2022 12: 52
    It seems to me that if there is a serious slaughter, not local within the Donbass, namely the Russian invasion of Kharkov, Kiev, etc., then who will stop the Ukrainians from shooting at Russian nuclear power plants? Or launch a bunch of spent fuel rockets from a Ukrainian nuclear power plant. Has anyone thought about this? And then everyone writes that the Ukrainians will run if something happens. 95 percent of the advancing Russian contingent will be unfired youths, if anything. How much will they fight? The entire land army of the Russian Federation is under 280000 people (everything includes drivers and staff, etc.). I did not see that during the events in Debaltseve Ukrainians fled in fear, holding on to the last.
    All in all, this is sad.
    It seems to me that the Russian leadership will lead the Russian Federation into such an economic pit that mother do not cry.
    1. +1
      23 January 2022 13: 45
      Katz offers to surrender and then drink Bavarian beer, laughing But seriously, war is always sad, you can’t argue with you, but people have fought throughout their history for a variety of reasons: for freedom, for religion, for territory, for resources, for an idea, etc. etc. Nothing is new under the sun.
  20. 0
    23 January 2022 12: 53
    It has long been known that soldiers fight, not weapons. Georgia 2008 showed it. As the United States did not pump up the puppets with weapons - they merged in a few days against just one 58th army.
  21. -1
    23 January 2022 12: 53
    And why don't experts write about the fate of NATO intelligence agents hanging over Ukraine and the Black Sea? I’m wondering .. - will they continue to work on our territory, providing intelligence to the enemy, or will they be shot down in the event of a nix? But we are not at war with NATO, are we? And it turns out such a hitch: All "assistants" to Ukraine in a possible conflict (NATO aviation and special forces) will work ..on the territory of Russia, and we .. not on the territory of the countries where this special equipment and aviation came from, but on the territory of Ukraine .. How do you want an exchange? No one will sink either a Spanish frigate in the Black Sea or shoot down a Dutch F-35 in the sky over Ukraine? and land transport? From which side do not look - the West is in the black.. Slavs and brothers are ready to kill each other.. And they are on the sidelines.
    1. 0
      23 January 2022 13: 50
      Do you still consider them brothers? They openly cover you, but you don’t care! Wake up, these Young Europeans have long been strangers, they are enemies for us and are proud of it. Among the old people, perhaps ...
      1. -1
        23 January 2022 14: 07
        Quote: Buhach
        Do you still consider them brothers?

        who do you mean when you write "them"?
        1. +3
          23 January 2022 14: 43
          I live in Siberia. For a long time. But I have a lot of relatives in Ukraine .. And I have sisters and brothers ... And I will not consider them enemies. We can swear, argue or not communicate with each other for years ... - as in an ordinary family .. Enemies are overseas. In a foreign country. And Ukraine (not Western, with its Bandera), Russian people have never been a stranger. They want to make her a stranger ...
          1. +1
            23 January 2022 15: 14
            Quote: Dikson
            Ukraine (not Western, with its Bandera people), has never been a stranger to a Russian person. They want to make her a stranger ...

            and not without success, I must say
            this is especially good for overseas friends against the background of the sentiments they are cultivating (personal opinion) in Russia that Ukraine is already a torn off chunk, and Ukrainians are real enemies of the Russians.
            The screamers may not understand whose mill they are pouring water on.
            But some of them - I hope that a small one - definitely do it consciously.
        2. 0
          23 January 2022 14: 48
          You don’t know, or what? Everything is clear from my words, your question is incomprehensible, do you want to discuss? man, do not spoil the impression, do not upset.
          1. 0
            23 January 2022 15: 17
            Quote: Buhach
            You don’t know, or what? Everything is clear from my words, your question is incomprehensible, do you want to discuss? man, do not spoil the impression, do not upset.

            my answer is in the comment above addressed to comrade Dikson.
            No matter how upset you get, I'm convinced of it.
            I was hoping to read that by "them" you mean Russophobic nationalists, the ruling elite and other Ukrainian opportunists.
            Sorry if it's not.
  22. -1
    23 January 2022 13: 04
    So Russia is not going to attack Ukraine, but the supplied weapons may be useful to Ukraine in the event of an attack on Russia
    1. +1
      23 January 2022 18: 56
      Well, do you yourself believe in what you wrote, some kind of Ukraine will attack the largest nuclear Power and the second in the world in terms of military potential? My friend, watch less TV, of course there are enough idiots, but it’s insanity to consider sharovarniks as suicidal.
      1. -3
        23 January 2022 21: 32
        The game is worth the candle...
  23. +1
    23 January 2022 13: 18
    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
    Quote: Nexcom
    Well, the Japanese soldiers also believed in their invincibility, so what? They were also loaded with propaganda. Even the suicide bombers did not help them.
    At the same time, the Svidomo spirit "busido" is not and never was. They rather have the spirit of buhido developed. lol And run away. wassat

    There are stoned ones and they have ... many escaped from the airport?
  24. 0
    23 January 2022 15: 31
    Of course, they will not help repel the offensive, but they can cause damage. The army of Ukraine over the years of experience has nevertheless gained and received new weapons, so this will definitely not be a walk.
  25. 0
    23 January 2022 16: 28
    1. Ukraine is lost.
    2. Lost 40 million Slavs.
    3. The war will definitely end with the victory of Russia.
    4. This has happened many times.
    5. But many times everything for which millions of Soviet and Russian citizens died was proo.
    History, exact science.
  26. +1
    23 January 2022 18: 52
    Yes, it is clear that no Ukraine with its army in all ratings in the top ten will stop a nuclear Power, the second in the world in terms of power, and also the first in terms of the number of nuclear weapons. The Anglo-Saxons saturate with anti-tank systems and hand-held MANPADS for maximum damage to our army in the event of a ground operation. And without a ground operation, talking about at least some achievement of goals exclusively by strikes from the OTRK and Aviation is fantastic. So they are chasing the weapons that the "blowers" will not stop, but the technicians will burn even those that already have no measure. And the problem with the equipment can be solved quickly, but the most experienced crews to lose who will be at the forefront, you can’t restore this. This is the calculation, and not the victory over us, so there is no need to underestimate the factor of having so many anti-tank weapons and human resources. KAZs need to be introduced into the habit of putting on equipment, and not hoping that everything is scattered there from a dozen other Calibers or Iskanders.
  27. 0
    23 January 2022 18: 58
    Quote: Victor Sergeev
    after the suppression of the air defense system, the aircraft will bomb from the heights of the inaccessible MANPADS.

    What about helicopters? request hi
  28. -4
    23 January 2022 19: 15
    Normal people don't need wars!!! This is beneficial only to the dictator, in order to distract the Russians from poverty and devastation in the country!!!
    1. 0
      23 January 2022 19: 44
      Where did you get the idea that they are distracting us? And where is poverty and devastation in Russia? Or maybe it is the United States and it is beneficial for the satellites to distract in order to do business.
      1. -3
        24 January 2022 10: 24
        How much does the middle class earn per month? Is it possible to live normally on this amount? Why (according to the report of Sergei Mironov in the State Duma) has the population decreased by just over 21 thousand people in 900 years (you can listen to the report)?
        1. 0
          24 January 2022 14: 30
          Depending on what you think is normal, this concept is relative even for my neighbor, but if we take it on a global scale? Population decline is too broad a problem, a separate branch is needed, but all developed countries have this problem to one degree or another, well, 21 years plus the pandemic has added.
          1. -2
            25 January 2022 13: 41
            He said only for 2021. Not for 21 years.
          2. -2
            25 January 2022 13: 45
            President Vladimir Putin, in an interview with TASS, said that more than 70% of Russians can be classified as middle class. According to the World Bank methodology, Putin noted, it includes everyone whose income is one and a half times higher than the poverty level established in the country.

            In Russia, the minimum wage is now 11 rubles, that is, to be included in the middle class in Russia, a salary of more than 280 thousand rubles is required. According to a study of salaries from Rosstat for 17, 2019% of Russians can be attributed to them.

            “If you think that the middle class is the way people live in France, in Germany or in the United States, then this is not true. The middle class is different in every country,” Putin said. “There is a World Bank methodology, it consists in the fact that the middle class is counted by the number of people whose income is one and a half times more than the minimum wage.”
            1. 0
              25 January 2022 13: 54
              And what does the dictator and the distraction, as you put it, have to do with the "poor" people from poverty?
  29. 0
    23 January 2022 19: 20
    Has Iran already prepared a price tag?
  30. +1
    23 January 2022 19: 21
    It seems to me that respected comrades in the comments to the article missed one phrase: [quote][The Russian army directly intervened in the conflict only twice - near Ilovaisk and Debaltseve. /quote], or did I miss something? When did the Russian army directly intervene?
    1. +2
      23 January 2022 19: 59
      Well, they also need to somehow justify these boilers, from a strong enemy and an honorable defeat. Moreover, you will say that for all 7 years they have been fighting with the Russian army and have not taken a single prisoner soldier. They won't understand.
  31. +1
    23 January 2022 21: 20
    What a war, a bunch of relatives on each side. You have to be finite to start a war from any side
  32. +1
    23 January 2022 21: 30
    If there is a military conflict, then its development will be according to the Yugoslav scenario.
    They will bomb the military infrastructure and logistics, and the brave Ukrainian warriors will kill each other themselves.
  33. 0
    24 January 2022 09: 45
    Finally, someone wrote something sensible. And then they measure everything, whose javelin is longer ...
  34. 0
    24 January 2022 11: 03
    The trouble is that the weapons supplied by NATO are increasingly provoking Ukraine to shelling the LDNR and killing people.
  35. 0
    24 January 2022 18: 03
    they probably think that I will fight with cavalry