More than Germans in the 41st: what NATO can oppose to Russia

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strategic stalemate


Now all news agencies are absorbed in two topics - the omicron pandemic and the unprecedented increase in tension between Russia and the NATO bloc. And if from the first history everything is more or less clear, then the Ukrainian crisis evokes completely unhappy thoughts. It’s worth starting with the fact that modern analysts do not highly estimate the chance of a cold confrontation turning into a real war. Of course, no one really likes alarmists, but where were these analysts when the Kazakh rebellion broke out? Not a single, I repeat, not a single thought about the potential possibility of New Year's events in Kazakhstan was not. But then every self-respecting political scientist considered it necessary to talk about the reasons for what happened, so to speak, “sort it out”. What does it say? First of all, about the fact that in Russia there is still no clear independent structure capable of soberly assessing the geopolitical situation both in the world in general and in the immediate vicinity of the state. Unfortunately, analysts are not able to adequately predict options for the development of strategic events, but they are able to convince the broad masses, that is, simply to conduct propaganda. It remains to be hoped that outside of public policy, the Kremlin has serious analytical structures and they are sufficiently professional.

The public, which can influence the situation either in no way at all, or very indirectly, is now left not to consider possible options, but to count the number of troops and assess the existing status quo.



The main problem of the current state of affairs is the catastrophic lack of time for Russia's retaliatory steps in the event of NATO aggression. In the 90s of the last century, the North Atlantic Alliance made a real blitzkrieg, moving the buffer zone 600-1500 kilometers to the east. In total, Russia has ceased to control more than 2,2 million square kilometers of territory with a population of 210 million people. Very quickly, the countries of Eastern Europe turned from former allies, if not into enemies, then definitely into ill-wishers. Things continued to deteriorate into the 2000s, with Ukraine's border now running less than 500 kilometers from Moscow. In a straight line, of course. This is two or three days of movement of motorized columns, not to mention the flight time of cruise missiles with tactical nuclear weapons. Therefore, it is impossible to say that Russia has been building partnerships with NATO countries for the past 30 years - we have lost in all respects on the principle of "one step forward - two steps back." And sometimes there were no steps forward. The only breakthroughs were the return of the Crimea, the creation of the LDNR and the prevention of a coup in Belarus. The last event is especially important - otherwise, NATO instructors would have already seen the Kremlin through their binoculars. From the border of Belarus to Moscow is already less than 400 kilometers and the front line is aligned in the best configuration for the enemy since 1941. Welcome, so to speak! The buffer zone is absent as a phenomenon, and this never happened at all - neither in the First, nor in the Second World War. But the return of Crimea and the salvation of Belarus are perhaps the only positive moments since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

In addition to the loss of territory, there is a serious imbalance in manpower - Russia simply does not have enough fighters and workers for a protracted conflict. Even if we add the population and the army of Belarus for statistics. On the NATO side, it is enough to take the USA, Great Britain, France, Turkey, Germany and Italy, which together can mobilize up to 313 million people. Of course, this is a hypothetical number, which includes the entire population capable of holding weapon and shoot. But 313 million very clearly show the total superiority over the Russia-Belarus tandem, which will have only 75 million military reserves. We have even fewer working reserves - 74 million, while NATO has 328 million. If we take into account the population of the countries of Eastern Europe, Scandinavia and other sympathizers, then the advantage of the West will be even more significant.

Under the conditions of real mobilization, NATO will be able to gather at least 4,8 million bayonets near the Russian border within a couple of months - this is without civilian personnel, departmental forces and reserve troops. Russia and Belarus - no more than 1,1 million fighters. The imbalance is huge! Recall that in 1941 the Germans with henchmen pulled together about 4 million people for the blitzkrieg, while 2,88 million were stationed near the Soviet Union on the western borders. The difference, of course, is significant, but far from fourfold, as it is now. For comparison, in 1989 the forces of the Warsaw Pact and NATO were approximately equal - on both sides there were approximately 5,8-6 million military men. It was much easier to talk back then. To all the problems, now the Russian military has very little freedom of maneuver and time to respond. NATO in 2021, unlike the Wehrmacht, does not need to fight through Ukraine and the Baltic states to get to Moscow. The uneven distribution of forces between the two opposing sides is dangerous for two reasons. Firstly, a stronger opponent is always tempted to strike first, after all "God is on the side of the big battalions". Secondly, a side with less potential may decide on a preemptive strike in the hope of gaining an advantageous geopolitical position.

saber rattling


Surely someone will object, they say, an armed conflict between Russia and NATO is impossible. The reason is a considerable nuclear potential capable of incinerating opponents. If that were the case, then there would be no American Tanks, and Russian Su-35s were not transferred to Belarus. The probability of a collision with the use of traditional weapons is high, and how much it will slide into a nuclear war depends on the case. Or from the intensity of the attack on Moscow, Berlin, Warsaw, Kiev, and so on. As a result, one has to count the conventional weapons that Russia and Belarus and the NATO countries possess. According to the calculations of analyst Ilya Topchia, the advantage is on the side of the West in almost all respects, with the exception of multiple rocket launchers and cannon artillery. The fact that there are still a lot of guns left on the territory of the post-Soviet countries is evidenced by the specifics of the Ukrainian conflict, in which artillery became the real queen of the fields. But NATO is lagging behind quite a bit here - against 19,5 thousand Belarusian-Russian self-propelled guns and rocket launchers, they can put up about 17 thousand barrels. In the West, there are more tanks in total, about 1,4 times. In 1989, the Soviet Union, together with the Eastern bloc, could put up 20 thousand of its own against 47 thousand enemy tanks. And if we count light armored vehicles, then in 2022 NATO has more than 70 thousand units, we have a little more than 31 thousand. The lag in the number of combat vehicles looks even more fatal aviation - in the first weeks and months of the conflict, NATO aircraft will most likely occupy the entire sky and provide a no-fly zone over part of the combat area. Russia and Belarus have about 6 thousand units of winged equipment, and the team of opponents has up to 20 thousand. For naval battles, Russia has about 600 ships, NATO countries have almost twice as many. However, what could be expected from the total defense budget of the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance, which exceeds $1 trillion, against Russia's $48 billion?

The guarantee that this entire armada will not break the resistance of the Russian troops remains 12 divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces and about 6,5 thousand nuclear charges. Here Russia has a certain advantage, and not only quantitative, but also qualitative - our nuclear arsenal is much more advanced than the American one. The only question is: will it help if the nearest missile unit of NATO troops can be only a few hundred kilometers from the Kremlin?

Now, while they speak the language of diplomacy, hybrid and information wars, the withdrawal of foreign troops from the territory of NATO countries to the borders of 1997 looks like the most sensible scenario. This will allow you to get at least a hint of the buffer territory in front of the borders of Russia. Moreover, the benefit from such a step is present both for Moscow, which will simply become easier to breathe, and for Brussels-Washington, which also does not need Russia's unpredictable reactions. In any other scenario, all hope is only for the “black swans”, for which the Kremlin has long been famous.
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  1. +17
    24 January 2022 04: 57
    The simplest question is: why would NATO attack Russia?
    What are the goals and objectives?
    Territory? But in the 21st century, it has little value.
    This is in ancient times, the more territories you have, the more peasants you can settle. Now there are about the same number of people in small Japan as in vast Russia.
    Resources? And why win them if we ourselves voluntarily sell them, and deliver them to the border ourselves, and even demand to buy them (SP2 is an example of this)
    Human resources?
    So after all, it is enough to create conditions, and many specialists will leave on their own. And no one wants to support ordinary consumers.

    Another point - the existence of Russia in the status of an enemy is extremely beneficial to NATO. If there is no Russia, NATO can be safely disbanded. And weapons companies will go bankrupt, who will need the same F35s? Only free to give to Israel against Iran.
    1. +9
      24 January 2022 05: 50
      The simplest question is: why would NATO attack Russia?
      What are the goals and objectives?
      Territory? But in the 21st century, it has little value.

      Stupidity. The territory is resources, including the possibility of transport corridors + climate change. After all, a cooling is underway and it will primarily affect Europe (the Gulf Stream disappears every 12-15 thousand years), and we are expected to soften the climate.
      Although no one knows what will happen, the equations that describe the weather, due to their properties, do not make it possible to make long-term forecasts.

      + Politka, for example, with the collapse of the United States (everything goes to this), there will be no Israel. They are now building a foothold in Ukraine.

      Now there are about the same number of people in small Japan as in vast Russia.

      Therefore, Japan without resources will never be independent. For her always, someone will make the most important decisions.

      So after all, it is enough to create conditions, and many specialists will leave on their own.

      There is a sense of brainwashing in the direction of globalization. COVID-19 didn't show you anything. It was enough to shake humanity a little, as it began to isolate itself. Small countries are immediately kirdyk (for example, prosperous Switzerland, and therefore small).
      Of the large, more or less independent economies, only Russia has. China and USA, EU and India no. We lack only people, ideally up to 400 million people.

      You give more green and different cucumbers to the markets of Europe and Ukraine!!!
      1. -1
        24 January 2022 07: 42
        After all, a cold snap is coming and it will primarily affect Europe

        Ugh, cold.
        That's why 2020
        in Moscow was the warmest on record.
        A cold snap is always like this, it sets positive temperature records ...
        http://www.pogodaiklimat.ru/history/27612.htm

        (Europe also has abnormal heat, also a sure sign of a cold snap)
        http://www.pogodaiklimat.ru/history/10384.htm
        1. 0
          24 January 2022 08: 36
          read carefully
          After all, a cooling is underway and it will primarily affect Europe (the Gulf Stream disappears every 12-15 thousand years), and we are expected to soften the climate.

          And so is the cold. It is measured by the annual average for the planet.
          But this does not mean that there will be warming somewhere. The climate is a complex thing; it is impossible to solve the problem of a long-term forecast with satisfactory accuracy more precisely. Only rough calculations. I am telling you this as a mathematician.
          1. +3
            24 January 2022 09: 10
            It is measured by the annual average for the planet.

            The average annual temperature on the planet has risen by 1,5 degrees in 100 years.
            What an insidious cold snap, everything raises and raises the temperature.
            It lulls vigilance, not otherwise.
            https://public.wmo.int/ru/resources/bulletin/мгэик-выпускает-специальный-доклад-о-глобальном-потеплении-на-15-°с

            On the mainland of Russia, an increase in temperature by an average of 1,5 degrees is recorded, and in the region of the Arctic seas - by all three. This is more than in any other region of the Earth - such a statement was made by the President of the Russian Academy of Sciences Alexander Sergeev

            https://rg.ru/2021/08/03/prezident-ran-globalnoe-poteplenie-vliiaet-na-rossiiu-silnee-vsego.html
            1. -4
              24 January 2022 09: 56
              The average annual temperature on the planet has risen by 1,5 degrees in 100 years.

              Do not make me laugh with observations over 100 years. Until the satellites began to massively scan the surface temperature, this is all about nothing.

              Then, in order to somehow understand climate change, you need detailed observations of thousands over 20 years, and preferably over 600 thousand. Then there was the last major cooling. And so the cooling is less than 10-20 thousand years.

              I could tell in detail what processes can lead to a cooling. Warming processes practically do not work, these are just fluctuations. But I don't see the point.
              1. +4
                24 January 2022 10: 34
                Then, in order to somehow understand climate change, you need detailed observations of thousands over 20 years, and preferably over 600 thousand. Then there was the last major cooling.

                Are you seriously now trying to convince me that Europe is preparing for a cold snap in 10-20 thousand years? So they need to attack Russia right now?

                Over the past decade, there have been records of abnormal heat in Europe, what do you think is a sign of a cooling?

                Extreme heat wave in UK to last until Friday
                https://www.interfax.ru/world/778896

                Record high temperatures recorded in Scandinavia and Finland
                https://www.interfax.ru/world/776483
                1. -4
                  24 January 2022 11: 36
                  Are you seriously now trying to convince me that Europe is preparing for a cold snap in 10-20 thousand years? So they need to attack Russia right now?

                  First, Europe attacks Russia with a regularity of about once every 100 years. I hope you at least know the story.

                  Second, as I wrote, there is now a cold snap, and it is in Europe. Since the Gulf Stream goes from the surface to the depth, this is due to the salinity of the water and it is now changing in it. And it will happen in your lifetime.
                  For example, in Norway it is cold only in the mountains, the sea does not freeze, but it will be just a piece of ice. It will be a little better with England. And with the increase in snow cover, global cooling will begin.
                  1. 0
                    24 January 2022 11: 41
                    Second, I wrote that now it is getting colder, and it is in Europe

                    I sent you a link to the climate site.
                    Here's one more time.
                    http://www.pogodaiklimat.ru/history.php
                    Which country is getting colder?
                    Which city is a decade colder than it was 20-30-50-100 years ago?
                    Or are you trying to say that abnormal heat is a cold snap?
                    Name the city and we will see what the average temperature was before and now
                    1. +5
                      24 January 2022 12: 03
                      Here is a link to the climate article.
                      https://www.vesti.ru/article/2600431

                      I don't work for warming "noodles" commercials, which are mostly financed by banks and the "gold billion" to siphon money from their own and other people's populations.
                      1. 0
                        25 January 2022 04: 05
                        I don't work in "noodle" commercials

                        As soon as you work. And you're spouting unscientific nonsense.
                        If the Gulf Stream stops, then Siberia will be very bad and there will be no climate mitigation.
                        There will be a great drought in Siberia, and we also cannot exclude this, then God forbid, the peatlands of Western Siberia will catch fire. Do you remember perfectly what happened in the suburbs

                        Whether these meridional transfers continue, blockages increase, or the Gulf Stream stops completely, all this will lead to serious disruptions in the movement of air masses. And to the occurrence of catastrophic events in different territories. And in Siberia too. That is, we will not sit here, to put it mildly. This will definitely affect us and can affect us very harshly and negatively.


                        https://tv2.today/Istorii/Golfstrim-ostanavlivaetsya-kak-eto-otrazitsya-na-sibiri
                      2. 0
                        25 January 2022 04: 51
                        Where there is no mathematics, there is no normal science. All naturals use it heavily. This is fortune telling on coffee grounds. Again horror stories about climate change. Normal scientists say this happens with such and such frequency.
                        This one again speaks of a cold snap, but years of water for warming
                        — Well, it's so cold in Siberia. There are a few other processes going on. No, there will simply be fewer wet masses in Siberia. There, on the contrary, overheating can occur in the summer, and by the way, this happens and is called blocking. When the anticyclone sets on the territory of Siberia - hot sunny weather in summer for 2-2,5 months. This was the situation in 2012. Powerful blocking.


                        I repeat to you again
                        1. The weather forecast equations do not allow for long-term forecasts.
                        2. We do not have normal observations for tens of thousands of years to take into account all the necessary factors in the mathematical model.
                      3. -1
                        25 January 2022 05: 24
                        The weather forecast equations do not allow for long-term forecasts.

                        You do. Oh, it's different, I don't understand :)

                        Moreover, you claim that the Europeans made such a forecast, and that's the only reason they want to capture us :)
                      4. -1
                        25 January 2022 07: 24
                        The larger and more diverse the territory, the greater the chance of having normal conditions on its part. The territory is generally the main resource.

                        And so I think everyone has their own opinion, and his opinion has his.
                        Aufiderzein.
                      5. +2
                        25 January 2022 11: 55
                        Quote: bya965
                        The larger and more diverse the territory, the greater the chance of having normal conditions on its part. The territory is generally the main resource.

                        Then the EU should - downright obliged !! - capture NOT RF with our filthy climate - and all that south of Of Kiev
                  2. +6
                    24 January 2022 13: 07
                    Interesting article Eugene! Basically, I think he is right, although some of his opinions are questionable. Of course, he is right that the Russophobic "team of Europe" is now much larger and has crept close to Russia and its capital for the first time in the last 80 years, behaving extremely arrogantly. about the reasons and culprits we will not say this, although I was VERY surprised by the surrender of Ukraine without a fight to Bandera, the USA, the West and NATO in 2014. Now the obvious has dawned on someone and the reverse promotion has begun. So far - only in words.

                    It is clear that no one really wants to fight, neither the United States, the West, NATO, nor Russia. But no one wants to retreat and concede either! AND priority the problem today is Ukraine. How to solve this problem relatively peacefully? It's very simple - to take Ukraine for yourself by sending troops and either leave or change power. It is unlikely that a latecomer will rush to fight with a ahead of the winner.

                    How can the US/West/NATO do this (it seems they are going to, although slyly - it is not the first time for them - they are assuring the world that they will not do this)? Send troops some NATO countries that are completely consonant and controlled by the United States (Canada, Great Britain, the Baltics for the number, the Americans, of course). But only by request authorities (Zelensky and Co) of Ukraine! And the Ukrainian authorities should have a serious reason for calling on NATO: either strong unrest in the country, or an attack by "Russian agents." Well, like the "attack" of the "Poles" on the German radio station in Gleiwitz in 1939. Preparations are underway, the arrived Poroshenko is trying!

                    The task of the Russian authorities is both simple and complex: NOT to miss the preparations of the State Department / NATO and get ahead of them by introducing their troops for "peace enforcement" "great-ukrov". And in order to NOT have a war, the operation must be lightning fast. Like in Kazakhstan. smile
                    1. -9
                      24 January 2022 14: 29
                      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                      And the primary problem today is Ukraine. How to solve this problem relatively peacefully? It's very simple - to take Ukraine for yourself by sending troops and either leave or change power. It is unlikely that a latecomer will rush to fight with a winner ahead of him.

                      Along with Ukraine, the Baltic states should also be taken away. Than the Baltic. foothold worse than Ukrainian?

                      And do not care that they are part of NATO! To develop the territory for the population of Russia, to clean up the indigenous population by deportation.

                      This will be an object lesson for Finns, Poland and Romania.
                      1. +1
                        24 January 2022 15: 03
                        Quote: Damir Zakirov
                        ... you need to take the Baltic states as well.

                        Thought is true, but - while - NOT feasible. smile hi
                      2. 0
                        25 January 2022 05: 12
                        Do you really think that any of the really significant countries in the USTO will be guided by the 5th amendment? It is just needed for the backbone of NATO and is unlikely to protect the Baltic "tigers" (jackals). The war on the outskirts is much better than the war in the metropolises.
                      3. 0
                        26 January 2022 22: 09
                        Do you really think that someone in power cares about your opinion?)
                      4. +3
                        25 January 2022 11: 57
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Quote: Damir Zakirov
                        ... you need to take the Baltic states as well.

                        Thought is true, but - while - NOT feasible. smile hi

                        Uh-huh ... like occupying Ukraine is feasible ....
                        The Baltic states are just simpler - due to the small number and small territory
                      5. 0
                        25 January 2022 13: 23
                        Quote: your1970
                        Uh-huh ... like occupying Ukraine is feasible ....
                        The Baltic states are just simpler - due to the small number and small territory

                        But there is also relevance... smile
                      6. -1
                        25 January 2022 15: 41
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Quote: your1970
                        Uh-huh ... like occupying Ukraine is feasible ....
                        The Baltic states are just simpler - due to the small number and small territory

                        But there is also relevance... smile

                        I already wrote to you - at least 300 for the occupation.
                        And it doesn't even matter who...
                      7. -2
                        25 January 2022 16: 00
                        Why only 300000? Why not 3000000? laughing
                        I also wrote to you that quite and much less is enough! hi
                      8. 0
                        25 January 2022 17: 28
                        First you write that there are 2/3 of those loyal to us - which means that during the occupation of NATO they will need to control 20 million people with something.
                        Immediately write that 1/3 are svidomites. That is, in the case of our occupation, we will need to control 10 million with something.
                        Do you seriously think that something can be done against 10 million -20 000 military personnel??!!
                        Or do you seriously think that we will come and change power and leave in a week? And figs with him - that our henchmen Svidomo will cut?
                        Oh well...
                        By the way, it also works in the event of NATO occupation. They will also FORCED reinforce their power with bayonets.
                      9. +7
                        24 January 2022 18: 37
                        Quote: Zakirov Damir
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        And the primary problem today is Ukraine. How to solve this problem relatively peacefully? It's very simple - to take Ukraine for yourself by sending troops and either leave or change power. It is unlikely that a latecomer will rush to fight with a winner ahead of him.

                        Along with Ukraine, the Baltic states should also be taken away. Than the Baltic. foothold worse than Ukrainian?

                        And do not care that they are part of NATO! To develop the territory for the population of Russia, to clean up the indigenous population by deportation.


                        Well, they took them away, those were deported, ours were resettled, did this somehow affect the creation of a buffer zone from the borders of the Russian world? After all, we settled ours, and again, on the one hand, we are, and on the other, they, and only the CSP separates us. Again, we must move on, occupy Poland, Germany, and so on. deport them again and settle us? And so on to the Atlantic, Schaub became a buffer zone, and the southern buffer is the Indian Ocean, and are we deporting the Hindu-Arabs to the penguins?
                        I may be thinking wrong, but allied and friendly states with their populations should be a buffer, overcoming which takes time, and we are in a hurry to help. Only few people want to be friends with us
                      10. +1
                        24 January 2022 19: 43
                        I may be thinking wrong, but allied and friendly states with their populations should be a buffer, overcoming which takes time, and we are in a hurry to help. Only few people want to be friends with us

                        Not necessarily friendly. The main thing is non-bloc and without offensive weapons. Poland is unlikely to have to be moved, but the Baltic states, Ukraine, Romania, Slovakia, Bulgaria and Hungary are quite possible and quite enough. .
                      11. -2
                        24 January 2022 20: 36
                        Quote: Gvardeetz77
                        I may be thinking wrong, but allied and friendly states with their populations should be a buffer, overcoming which takes time, and we are in a hurry to help.

                        From Estonia to St. Petersburg 100 km. Why not a goal for NATO - a city of 5 million? Why necessarily Moscow?
                        And for those who downvoted me, I would like to say that I live on the territory of Belarus and drove Belarusians into barns and burned the Balts alive.

                        Quote: Gvardeetz77
                        Only few people want to be friends with us

                        You don't need to be friends with us - you should be afraid of us! With a country where the population density is 9 people. sq. km, and even the faith is not Catholic, no one will be friends.
                      12. -4
                        25 January 2022 13: 32
                        Quote: Gvardeetz77
                        I may be thinking wrong

                        Excuse me, are you deaf or don't want to think? Why do you stubbornly refuse to hear that Russia's border with NATO necessary move 1300 km to the West and free one of the most ancient parts of the Russian state - Little Russia from evil spirits?
                      13. +2
                        24 January 2022 20: 20
                        Zakirov Damir (Zakirov Damir)???
                        belay negative stop
                    2. +4
                      24 January 2022 15: 39
                      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                      Interesting article Eugene! Basically, I think he is right, although some of his opinions are questionable. Of course, he is right that the Russophobic "team of Europe" is now much larger and has crept close to Russia and its capital for the first time in the last 80 years, behaving extremely arrogantly. about the reasons and culprits we will not say this, although I was VERY surprised by the surrender of Ukraine without a fight to Bandera, the USA, the West and NATO in 2014. Now the obvious has dawned on someone and the reverse promotion has begun. So far - only in words.

                      It is clear that no one really wants to fight, neither the United States, the West, NATO, nor Russia. But no one wants to retreat and concede either! AND priority the problem today is Ukraine. How to solve this problem relatively peacefully? It's very simple - to take Ukraine for yourself by sending troops and either leave or change power. It is unlikely that a latecomer will rush to fight with a ahead of the winner.

                      How can the US/West/NATO do this (it seems they are going to, although slyly - it is not the first time for them - they are assuring the world that they will not do this)? Send troops some NATO countries that are completely consonant and controlled by the United States (Canada, Great Britain, the Baltics for the number, the Americans, of course). But only by request authorities (Zelensky and Co) of Ukraine! And the Ukrainian authorities should have a serious reason for calling on NATO: either strong unrest in the country, or an attack by "Russian agents." Well, like the "attack" of the "Poles" on the German radio station in Gleiwitz in 1939. Preparations are underway, the arrived Poroshenko is trying!

                      The task of the Russian authorities is both simple and complex: NOT to miss the preparations of the State Department / NATO and get ahead of them by introducing their troops for "peace enforcement" "great-ukrov". And in order to NOT have a war, the operation must be lightning fast. Like in Kazakhstan. smile

                      And why do we need Ukraine with an unfriendly population? Not only will sanctions be personally fucked up for it, but there will also be partisanism. Yes, and you need to maintain 40 million mouths somehow
                      1. -14
                        24 January 2022 15: 50
                        Quote: Pilat2009
                        And why do we need Ukraine with an unfriendly population? Not only will sanctions be personally fucked up for it, but there will also be partisanism. Yes, and you need to maintain 40 million mouths somehow

                        I don’t know who you are, whether an officer of the CIA, MI6, Mossad, IPSO of Ukraine, a hater of Russia and Russians with a Russian passport, an illiterate from the wilderness or a citizen of another “friendly” Russia country, but either an enemy of Russia or a complete one can ask such questions. ..cancer, or an alien. Who you are? Mister? Pan? What constellation are you from? lol

                        Good luck to you! hi

                        PS And in the article, I made a little mistake: you need to do it not like in Kazakhstan, but like in the Crimea!!! smile And don't worry about the population of Ukraine: when the government changes, they will feed themselves! You certainly won't feed them. laughing
                      2. +3
                        25 January 2022 10: 25
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Quote: Pilat2009
                        And why do we need Ukraine with an unfriendly population? Not only will sanctions be personally fucked up for it, but there will also be partisanism. Yes, and you need to maintain 40 million mouths somehow

                        I don’t know who you are, whether an officer of the CIA, MI6, Mossad, IPSO of Ukraine, a hater of Russia and Russians with a Russian passport, an illiterate from the wilderness or a citizen of another “friendly” Russia country, but either an enemy of Russia or a complete one can ask such questions. ..cancer, or an alien. Who you are? Mister? Pan? What constellation are you from? lol

                        Good luck to you! hi

                        PS And in the article, I made a little mistake: you need to do it not like in Kazakhstan, but like in the Crimea!!! smile And don't worry about the population of Ukraine: when the government changes, they will feed themselves! You certainly won't feed them. laughing

                        I see you writing essays right from the front line of Donbass. And you will go to fight in the forefront. All the best to you. May the war not touch you and your family
                      3. -5
                        25 January 2022 13: 19
                        Quote: Pilat2009
                        I see you writing essays right from the front line of Donbass. And you will go to fight in the forefront. All the best to you. May the war not touch you and your family

                        No, I'm not from the front line. Just like you - from your sofa. True, you may have a chair of an IPSO officer of Ukraine. laughing

                        And I am convinced that you will NOT have to fight because there will be NO war. Will be fast operation to force Ukraine to peace. The one that the "great-Ukrainians" dream about, but cannot dare to. laughing

                        And about the need / NOT the need for "Ukraine". After all, what is Little Russia, called Ukraine at the beginning of the 20th century and first received statehood in 1991? This, like Belarus, is one of the oldest parts Russian (Russian) state! DON'T WISH reunification of parts of Russia, inventing ridiculous reasons, only fools and enemies can! Yes
                      4. +1
                        25 January 2022 12: 05
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        And do not worry about the population of Ukraine: when the government changes, they will feed themselves! You definitely won't feed them.

                        They already shouted it to me in the USSR in 1988 - that "Ridna Nenko is everyone ... she feeds everyone!!!" ...
                        And yes, if you don’t know, the Wehrmacht fed the loyal government ....

                        Do you want to check - by sending troops there - whether we will need to support appointed by us power loot?! Will it be necessary US support their pensioners and social programs, the police, teachers and doctors? In a country where even imported fat has already begun to be imported - they don’t have their own (about industry -
                        already a joke)?
                      5. -2
                        25 January 2022 13: 53
                        Quote: your1970
                        They already shouted it to me in the USSR in 1988 - that "Ridna Nenko is everyone ... she feeds everyone!!!" ...
                        And yes, if you don’t know, the Wehrmacht fed the loyal government ....

                        Do you want to check - by sending troops there - will we need to support the government appointed by us with money?! Will we need to support their pensioners and social programs, the police, teachers and doctors? In a country where even imported fat has already begun to be imported - they don’t have their own (about industry -
                        already a joke)?

                        I don’t know where you draw your knowledge about Ukraine and Ukrainians from, and I draw from the surrounding reality, living in one of the cities of Novorossia since 1961. Yes, power in / in Ukraine is corrupt and vassal to the USA / West. And she is supported MINORITY Svidomites and Bandera, whom never there were no more than 1/3 of the population. Rest, MOST loyal to Russia, the Russians and AGAINST the enemies of Russia, who carried out a coup d'état and are supported by the West/USA.

                        Yes, Ukraine has been fairly destroyed by the 30th anniversary of "independence". But, with a change of power to an adequate one, the population of Ukraine-Little Russia is able to itself feed yourself.

                        Good luck to you! hi
                      6. +3
                        25 January 2022 15: 58
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        The rest, the MOST are loyal to Russia, the Russians and AGAINST the enemies of Russia, who carried out a coup d'état and are supported by the West/USA.

                        I'm embarrassed to ask - on the territory of Ukraine they cut substation / terrorist battalions at night? Burn warehouses? Poison the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
                        No?
                        It means that there is no point in talking about what - one is AGAINST - there is no point in leading. This is against further grumbling in the kitchen .... they will certainly not go on the attack ... there is little loyalty here ...

                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        A MINORITY of Svidomites and Bandera, who have never been more than 1/3 of the population.
                        - and this third - 10 млн of the population - is now on the attack and is shelling the LDNR. And all of them, at least to shoot in the back, are mentally ready ....

                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        the population of Ukraine-Little Russia is able to feed itself.
                        alas, those 10 million whom you yourself designated as Bandera - they will not let you do anything calmly.
                        For 10 post-war years - when it was possible to calmly scratch the forests with divisions and hang Bandera in the squares - it was not possible to defeat Bandera. That is why Khrushch had to announce amnesties and so on.
                        So where did you get the idea that if there are 2/3 khataskraynikov and 1/3 svidomites, it will be easier now?
                        Know yourself, cut the asset, shoot at night and rob!
                      7. -3
                        25 January 2022 16: 20
                        Quote: your1970
                        It means that there is no point in talking about what - one is AGAINST - there is no point in leading. This is against further grumbling in the kitchen .... they will certainly not go on the attack ... there is little loyalty here ...

                        Well, you are a hero too. Internetovsky, Voshny general. I am sure that they were NOT in the militia of Donbass. smile
                      8. 0
                        25 January 2022 17: 41
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Quote: your1970
                        It means that there is no point in talking about what - one is AGAINST - there is no point in leading. This is against further grumbling in the kitchen .... they will certainly not go on the attack ... there is little loyalty here ...

                        Well, you are a hero too. Internetovsky, Voshny general. I am sure that they were NOT in the militia of Donbass. smile

                        Was not
                        Moreover - I am NOT a citizen of Ukraine, I DO NOT live in the LDNR, I DO NOT claim that 2/3 are waiting for them - when they somebody free. At the same time, they themselves sit on the priest exactly - "let it go for us SOMEBODY dies"...

                        Themselves - themselves, with their own hands should begin to hang Bandera .... Otherwise, nothing ...
                      9. -1
                        25 January 2022 17: 30
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Quote: Pilat2009
                        And why do we need Ukraine with an unfriendly population? Not only will sanctions be personally fucked up for it, but there will also be partisanism. Yes, and you need to maintain 40 million mouths somehow

                        I don’t know who you are, whether an officer of the CIA, MI6, Mossad, IPSO of Ukraine, a hater of Russia and Russians with a Russian passport, an illiterate from the wilderness or a citizen of another “friendly” Russia country, but either an enemy of Russia or a complete one can ask such questions. ..cancer, or an alien. Who you are? Mister? Pan? What constellation are you from? lol

                        Good luck to you! hi

                        PS And in the article, I made a little mistake: you need to do it not like in Kazakhstan, but like in the Crimea!!! smile And don't worry about the population of Ukraine: when the government changes, they will feed themselves! You certainly won't feed them. laughing

                        And therefore, under the USSR, Ukraine consumed much more than it produced?
                      10. +1
                        25 January 2022 05: 15
                        The population of Ukraine changes its shoes in the air just as quickly as after the collapse of the Union ..... Then, too, young people were brought up for decades. My classmates very quickly became "patriots" and I do not rule out a reverse transformation.
                      11. +1
                        25 January 2022 17: 36
                        Quote: CorvusMag
                        The population of Ukraine changes its shoes in the air just as quickly as after the collapse of the Union ..... Then, too, young people were brought up for decades. My classmates very quickly became "patriots" and I do not rule out a reverse transformation.

                        and why the hell do we need such a weather vane?
                    3. Alf
                      +4
                      24 January 2022 19: 44
                      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                      But no one wants to retreat and concede either!

                      Reminds me of the situation in the summer of 1914, when in all European countries the governments were wearing - Be firm, there will be no war ...
                    4. +1
                      24 January 2022 22: 12
                      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                      Russophobic "European team" is now much larger

                      More than Germans in the 41st

                      ------------
                      There is a fundamental difference. The Wehrmacht of 41 consisted of their well-trained soldiers and officers. And most importantly - ideologically motivated. Willing to fight and ready to die.
                  3. +1
                    25 January 2022 17: 23
                    Quote: bya965
                    Are you seriously now trying to convince me that Europe is preparing for a cold snap in 10-20 thousand years? So they need to attack Russia right now?

                    First, Europe attacks Russia with a regularity of about once every 100 years. I hope you at least know the story.

                    Second, as I wrote, there is now a cold snap, and it is in Europe. Since the Gulf Stream goes from the surface to the depth, this is due to the salinity of the water and it is now changing in it. And it will happen in your lifetime.
                    For example, in Norway it is cold only in the mountains, the sea does not freeze, but it will be just a piece of ice. It will be a little better with England. And with the increase in snow cover, global cooling will begin.

                    Yeah, it’s so cold in the mountains in Norway that the passes opened up, which were closed with ice in the 17th century ... it’s very, very cold. laughing laughing laughing laughing crying
                2. +7
                  24 January 2022 12: 51
                  Quote: SergKam
                  Over the past decade, there have been records of abnormal heat in Europe, what do you think is a sign of a cooling?

                  the funniest thing is that, theoretically, yes, warming leads to melting and the ingress of a mass of fresh water into the oceans, which in turn can lead to the failure of the European heating pad - golf stream with all the consequences
                  1. -2
                    25 January 2022 19: 07
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Quote: SergKam
                    Over the past decade, there have been records of abnormal heat in Europe, what do you think is a sign of a cooling?

                    the funniest thing is that, theoretically, yes, warming leads to melting and the ingress of a mass of fresh water into the oceans, which in turn can lead to the failure of the European heating pad - golf stream with all the consequences

                    We are not affected by the Gulf Stream. But nevertheless, it has become much warmer here
                    1. 0
                      25 January 2022 20: 32
                      learn to understand what you read, and also to think
              2. +1
                25 January 2022 17: 20
                Quote: bya965
                The average annual temperature on the planet has risen by 1,5 degrees in 100 years.

                Do not make me laugh with observations over 100 years. Until the satellites began to massively scan the surface temperature, this is all about nothing.

                Then, in order to somehow understand climate change, you need detailed observations of thousands over 20 years, and preferably over 600 thousand. Then there was the last major cooling. And so the cooling is less than 10-20 thousand years.

                I could tell in detail what processes can lead to a cooling. Warming processes practically do not work, these are just fluctuations. But I don't see the point.

                The last little ice age was in 1312-1791 ... where did you get 10-12 thousand. years? And the Great Ice Age hasn't ended yet.
            2. 0
              25 January 2022 01: 35
              Figasse. There was an average -25, became -22. I don't vouch for the numbers. But the logic is this.
          2. +1
            25 January 2022 17: 17
            Quote: bya965
            read carefully
            After all, a cooling is underway and it will primarily affect Europe (the Gulf Stream disappears every 12-15 thousand years), and we are expected to soften the climate.

            And so is the cold. It is measured by the annual average for the planet.
            But this does not mean that there will be warming somewhere. The climate is a complex thing; it is impossible to solve the problem of a long-term forecast with satisfactory accuracy more precisely. Only rough calculations. I am telling you this as a mathematician.

            And where did you get the idea that it's getting colder? Did you determine this by the opening passes throughout Europe? By the way, we are still living in the Ice Age.
        2. -1
          24 January 2022 12: 22
          Moscow is generally an anomalous territory. I won’t turn it on as a zombie, every day there are abnormal frosts, heat, thunderstorms, ice, wind and so on. Poor Muscovites. But they do not rush to the periphery. What for?
          1. -1
            24 January 2022 13: 53
            The wrong question is not "why?" but "why?"
      2. +20
        24 January 2022 09: 06
        Quote: bya965
        for example, during the collapse of the United States (everything goes to this),

        Well, what economic reasons do you see for the collapse of the United States? There is no need to wishful thinking.
        Quote: bya965
        Of the large, more or less independent economies, only Russia has.

        What fright do you think that the Russian Federation has an independent economy, even if the needles in the shops are Chinese? Are we going to talk about microelectronics or the finances of our "independent" economy?
        Quote: bya965
        We lack only people, ideally up to 400 million people.

        Tell me, what is being done for this, besides the mass importation of migrants? How are new jobs organized? How is the welfare of the population improved?
        1. -19
          24 January 2022 10: 08
          What fright do you think that the Russian Federation has an independent economy, even if the needles in the shops are Chinese? Are we going to talk about microelectronics or the finances of our "independent" economy?

          But you know what's the funniest thing? That when a lockdown began in the United States last year and bored Americans began to massively upload their home videos to YouTube, it turned out that all these cottage owners had quite familiar wooden structures such as “outhouse” in their yards every other year.

          Gygygy, hegemon with a hole in the floor!

          Eleven aircraft carriers and holes in the floor!

          Iron Man and Captain America can't beat the hole in the floor, mwuhahaha!

          What's happened? Did it turn out uncomfortable?

          Moreover, either the Swedes or the French have recently tried to patent quite a standard wooden toilet as a "breakthrough environmental technology." Well, here's what you'll do...

          And most of all, bots from Ukraine write about holes in the floor, where the majority of the rural population almost without exception goes to this very hole, and simply does not know anything else.
          There is a continuation
          https://cont.ws/@alexandr-rogers/1986061
          1. +8
            24 January 2022 16: 13
            Quote: bya965
            And most of all, bots from Ukraine write about holes in the floor, where the majority of the rural population almost without exception goes to this very hole, and simply does not know anything else.

            Dear you are my man! I'll tell you one secret, only shh. Here, in the Kuban, not only in rural areas, but also in small towns, there is no central sewerage either! It is, of course, but in the central areas of the city, and on the outskirts it is not there either. Homemade septic tanks rule.
            1. -4
              24 January 2022 18: 25
              But we don't have 11 aircraft carriers.
            2. -1
              25 January 2022 17: 43
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Quote: bya965
              And most of all, bots from Ukraine write about holes in the floor, where the majority of the rural population almost without exception goes to this very hole, and simply does not know anything else.

              Dear you are my man! I'll tell you one secret, only shh. Here, in the Kuban, not only in rural areas, but also in small towns, there is no central sewerage either! It is, of course, but in the central areas of the city, and on the outskirts it is not there either. Homemade septic tanks rule.

              I’ll tell you a big secret in American towns they didn’t hear about the central sewer either ...
        2. -2
          24 January 2022 13: 54
          I eat needles and even tablespoons with Soviet stainless steel spoons.
          1. Alf
            0
            24 January 2022 19: 50
            Quote: V is for B
            I eat needles and even tablespoons with Soviet stainless steel spoons.

            Now the Soviet stainless steel spoon-fork can only be found at a flea market, in stores entirely "made in PRC".
            P.S. I also eat with Soviet spoons and forks. It's been over 30 years and they are still like new.
            Funny. Recently, I went to Magnit with mine, we look, there is a saucepan, such a beautiful, large one. I took it and looked at the tag. Stainless steel, made in India (not China !!!), but then there was a shock. It's very light for stainless steel. And the inscription - wipe dry after washing !!! Stainless steel...
        3. Alf
          +5
          24 January 2022 19: 48
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          How is the welfare of the population improved?

          Haven't you heard the curmudgeon? Don't you know that you began to live 20% better than you lived in the USSR?
        4. -1
          25 January 2022 17: 41
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Quote: bya965
          for example, during the collapse of the United States (everything goes to this),

          Well, what economic reasons do you see for the collapse of the United States? There is no need to wishful thinking.
          Quote: bya965
          Of the large, more or less independent economies, only Russia has.

          What fright do you think that the Russian Federation has an independent economy, even if the needles in the shops are Chinese? Are we going to talk about microelectronics or the finances of our "independent" economy?
          Quote: bya965
          We lack only people, ideally up to 400 million people.

          Tell me, what is being done for this, besides the mass importation of migrants? How are new jobs organized? How is the welfare of the population improved?

          Watch videos from American cities. How calmly the gangs enter the shops and just as calmly leave them, taking what they like or just a hundred Papalo arm in arm. True, forgetting to earn at the same time. After all, according to modern laws, if you are a nat.men. then simply robbery is not a crime ... Do you think this is a normal state? And they don’t say about the collapse here, but in the states they say quite serious people.
          1. 0
            26 January 2022 09: 35
            Quote: Alexey Sedykin
            Watch videos from American cities. How calmly the gangs enter the shops and just as calmly leave them, taking what they like or just a hundred Papalo arm in arm.

            Is it so calm? Is that okay there? I am not a fan of the United States, although I think that there is a lot to learn from them, but there is also a lot that should not be adopted. As for life and delinquency in the United States, watch the Goblin (Puchkov) series of videos about their police officers, much will become clearer to you.

            Quote: Alexey Sedykin
            And they don’t say about the collapse here, but in the states they say quite serious people.

            Serious people don't say such nonsense, neither here nor there.
            1. +1
              26 January 2022 10: 31
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Quote: Alexey Sedykin
              Watch videos from American cities. How calmly the gangs enter the shops and just as calmly leave them, taking what they like or just a hundred Papalo arm in arm.

              Is it so calm? Is that okay there? I am not a fan of the United States, although I think that there is a lot to learn from them, but there is also a lot that should not be adopted. As for life and delinquency in the United States, watch the Goblin (Puchkov) series of videos about their police officers, much will become clearer to you.

              Quote: Alexey Sedykin
              And they don’t say about the collapse here, but in the states they say quite serious people.

              Serious people don't say such nonsense, neither here nor there.

              Why should I listen to Puchkov? I’d rather watch a video directly from the Americans themselves, and it’s fresher today. What is happening now, not what happened before.
              1. 0
                26 January 2022 10: 43
                Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                Why should I listen to Puchkov?

                At least in order not to write all sorts of nonsense in the comments.
                Quote: Alexey Sedykin
                I’d rather watch a video directly from the Americans themselves, and it’s fresher today.

                Throw off a link to a video from amers, which tells about the work of the police, about the police, about US domestic politics, I would be grateful.
      3. +7
        24 January 2022 10: 58
        After all, there is a cooling and it will primarily affect Europe (Gulf Stream once a 12-15 thousand years disappears), while climate mitigation is expected in our country.


        This is your planning horizon, here it is not possible to predict events 10 years ahead, and you are looking at 10 thousand years ahead.

        Of the large, more or less independent economies, only Russia has. China and USA, EU and India no. We lack only people, ideally up to 400 million people.

        At the moment, only the USA has a relatively independent economy from this list, only they can prohibit entire countries from supplying products to other countries, such as with chips for China.

        Therefore, Japan without resources will never be independent. For her always, someone will make the most important decisions.

        There are many people who can mine oil, gas, ore in the world, and for example, a dozen countries can make good cars, and modern high-precision machines 3-4 countries, equipment for the production of chips 2 countries (Japan is one of them) and it is not yet known who is more dependent on those who have resources or those who know how to process them well.
        1. -15
          24 January 2022 11: 49
          You can understand the meaning of two sentences in one connection. The cooling was 12-15 thousand years ago and now it is exactly that. The question is whether it will be as usual or just in about 600 thousand years

          About the economy. The United States has been stupidly unable to unload the containers that come to them since November, because they have not really been producing anything for a long time.
          Industrial production in the Russian Federation has grown by 10% over 30 years. In Japan, it has not been growing for 40 years. Russia can now, with a simple move, stop the production of electricity by nuclear power plants in the United States, completely multiplying their economy to zero. And there are several such industries around the world. Well, Russia will lose just some kind of loot. We still have it stolen. And world trade is over. But then war is possible. That is why we are now arming ourselves, after a while the West will no longer be able to provide armed resistance. And China should have time to reorient itself to the domestic market. Then there will be no war.

          I look forward to when SWIFT and other sanctions are turned off, the Russian Federation will only benefit.
          1. +7
            24 January 2022 12: 47
            About the economy. The United States has been stupidly unable to unload the containers that come to them since November, because they have not really been producing anything for a long time.


            What are their 300 million people (or even more) doing then? Well, if you google a little, then the USA is now the peak of production.

            Industrial production in the Russian Federation has grown by 10% over 30 years. In Japan, it has not been growing for 40 years.

            I fully believe that it is not difficult to grow from a low base and vice versa to show growth of at least 2-3% from a high one, I can explain that last year we conditionally produced 20 aircraft, then it is not difficult to increase production by 30% and vice versa, when more than 1000 aircraft were produced a year 5% is a big jump.

            Russia can now, with a simple move, stop the production of electricity by nuclear power plants in the United States, completely multiplying their economy to zero. .

            Well, it’s just some kind of hatred for you, we probably can (I don’t know), but in the USA the share of nuclear energy generation is 19.7% (https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3 ) is very painful but not fatal.

            And China should have time to reorient itself to the domestic market. Then there will be no war.

            And how did China appear in the discussion? Why did you decide that Russia is more important to China than the United States, you can just look at the trade balances. And what a fixed idea to reorient to the domestic market, I only met this in the Russian-speaking segment, no matter what the domestic market is, the external one is exactly larger (or at least comparable) and giving it away means deliberately giving an advantage to competitors.

            That is why we are now arming ourselves, after a while the West will no longer be able to provide armed resistance.


            Are we going to attack the West?

            I look forward to when SWIFT and other sanctions are turned off, the Russian Federation will only benefit.

            A dubious argument is that even the Kremlin does not want such sanctions.
          2. +2
            24 January 2022 15: 45
            Quote: bya965
            Industrial production in the Russian Federation has grown by 10% over 30 years. In Japan, it has not been growing for 40 years.

            Don’t you know that production cannot grow constantly? Is there any limit? For interest, compare production in Japan 40 years ago and the current one in Russia. In addition, the Japanese themselves work in Japan, and we have visiting guest workers. Well, for compare the interest of the population chtoli. And GDP per capita
            1. -9
              24 January 2022 16: 05
              For information, in terms of industry, we lose only to China, India and the USA. And this is only because they have a lot more people.

              About GDP per capita. Firstly, economists do not like the very concept of GDP, but it is simply convenient to consider it. GDP is more correct in terms of purchasing power, but it has the same problems.

              For example, let's take greenhouses in China, they cost a penny for heat, and there are a lot of them. In Europe too. They have a maximum of 3 generations. We have 4 and 5, we have a cost of about $330 million per hectare. And every year there is an increase of 10-15%. And we should sell vegetables and not buy.
              1. +4
                24 January 2022 17: 11
                For information, in terms of industry, we lose only to China, India and the USA. And this is only because they have a lot more people.


                Something small list if you look at the volume of exports (in dollars), then in addition to the countries you listed, Russia loses to Germany, Holland, Japan, South Korea, Canada and a dozen more countries

                https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/exports-by-country
                And in order to communicate now here on the forum, we mainly use American and some European and Chinese technologies (from hardware to software), the share of Russian technologies will not be large at all, although now there is a boom in microelectronics and information technologies and there is still saturation of neither the market nor even no horizon to be seen.
                1. -13
                  24 January 2022 18: 20
                  Something a little list if you look at the volume of exports (in dollars), then in addition to the countries you listed, Russia loses to Germany offhand,

                  And what about production and export. These are different concepts. And moreover, the share of our technologies among American, European and (laughs) Chinese. And who to let there. Or will the market decide?

                  And what relation (if only indirectly) does information technology have, in microelectronics we are one of the leaders, again everything is our own.
                  1. +5
                    24 January 2022 19: 07
                    And what about production and export. These are different concepts.


                    The concepts are certainly different, but export clearly characterizes the production in the country.

                    And moreover, the share of our technologies among American, European and (laughs) Chinese. And who to let there. Or will the market decide?

                    So there is no our production of microelectronics to provide us with communication on VO. Try to assemble a server from purely Russian components, on which an OS or hypervisor will start and on which VO will spin.

                    in microelectronics we are one of the leaders, again everything is our own.

                    Leaders of what?
                    1. -9
                      24 January 2022 19: 23
                      https://habr.com/ru/company/icl_services/blog/558564/
                      https://digital-report.ru/bajkal-i-jelbrus-est-li-budushhee-u-rossijskih-processorov/

                      Development leaders, now the issue is being decided to force them to buy government agencies. But they are sharpened by Western kickbacks + alterations are afraid, according to how many officials are not specialists as a rule.

                      By the way, there is also a domestic Aurora for phones and tablets. I have VirtualBox on my computer, the RF system is also not someone else's.
                      1. +8
                        24 January 2022 19: 35
                        Is it a leader in microelectronics? I held the board with the Baikal processor in my hands and I repeat, now try to assemble a server exclusively from Russian components on which it will be possible to run VO.
                      2. -5
                        25 January 2022 05: 14
                        'Freudian slip' kept or supported (joking of course)?
                        Which server has a lot of them by type, what software is on the server, and what does VO have to do with it.

                        For example, BO probably uses Java - a language for coffee makers, a very crude thing they pushed in as opposed to Microsoft. He has a good paradigm that everything should work the same everywhere, but in practice everyone is chasing speed. But the very organization of the language is very bad.
                        Anything more than three is not very good (this is how our brain works), but here there are 7 scopes, there is no goto, but there is a break with a continuation with labels !!!
                        What the authors have been up to. You can write poems about garbage collection in Java, as well as about OOP support.

                        Separately, you can tell about the browsers that we use. But it will remind srach.

                        Here is a Python portable and high-quality thing, as well as modern C / C ++ 11 and higher. Haskell is an example of a theoretically (unlike Python and C/C++11) built language. On it, by the way, you need to learn to program, not Pascal. That's where the muti is mixed. I mean the authorship of Anders Hejlsberg. He has been featured in many places.

                        Those. You say that all software is optimized for other technical solutions and there is no frontal transfer. So, in my opinion, Sberbank ..... (mat, said the word)
                      3. +1
                        25 January 2022 11: 46
                        Which server has a lot of them by type, what software is on the server, and what does VO have to do with it.


                        Do you know what a server is? If you don’t like the server, let it be a computer that is assembled exclusively from Russian components and on which it will be possible to quickly raise the current VO website, connect it to the network, and it doesn’t matter under what OS it will work, what framework will be used, what programming languages ​​​​are chosen, the main thing is, so that they could continue communication without noticing the platform change. And also we will look at its cost and performance, and define the concept of a leader in microelectronics.
                      4. -5
                        25 January 2022 11: 53
                        Very blah blah.
                        Give me at least one brand of car assembled from components of one country.
                        Also name the computer.

                        Computer and server are completely different things. You can also hammer nails with a wrench.
                      5. +2
                        25 January 2022 11: 55
                        And here we are talking about cars and other countries, it was you who made the statement that Russia is a leader in microelectronics, but so far you cannot confirm your statement.
                      6. 0
                        27 January 2022 07: 33
                        In the first half of the year, the Russian manufacturer iRU plans to start retail deliveries of personal computers with the domestic Baikal-M processor.

                        The Baikal model, comparable in characteristics to HP or Lenovo, will cost 15-20% more, so at first sales will be small, Dmitry Antsiferov, technical director of iRU, told Izvestia.

                        iRU already has experience in retail sales of computers, which, according to the criteria established by the state, are considered Russian products. At the end of 2021, the company sold several hundred Agat and Opal PCs in Citilink with Intel processors, but using Russian RAM, motherboards and drives.
                      7. 0
                        27 January 2022 10: 52
                        I remember your phrase:
                        in microelectronics we are one of the leaders,
                        again all our own


                        Even in the produced iRU personal computer, most likely there will be very little “our own”, which means, for me, our own is designed and produced in Russia.
                        But even in the fact that iRU uses foreign components, I don’t see anything bad, you need to start somewhere, but naturally this is not even close to world leadership in microelectronics.
                      8. Alf
                        +5
                        24 January 2022 19: 58
                        Quote: bya965
                        By the way, there is also a domestic Aurora for phones and tablets.

                        You also give the "domestic" yutafon as an example ...
                      9. -4
                        25 January 2022 05: 21
                        If it is short.
                        There is such a Qt development, I have been using it since 2003. This is the best GUI development of all time. And if you use it in Python like PyQt or PySide, then this is generally a masterpiece.

                        Based on it, there were attempts and not unsuccessful to create a full-fledged OS. So Nokia bought this company for their mobile phones, in my opinion, for $ 250 million. We are now building the Aurora for use in military mobile phones / tablets, schools, and so on, having bought the rights.
                      10. +1
                        25 January 2022 11: 52
                        There is such a Qt development, I have been using it since 2003. This is the best GUI development of all time. And if you use it in Python like PyQt or PySide, then this is generally a masterpiece.


                        Using C++ for UI in serious production in today's world is like hitting nails with a microscope, expensive, long. UI has long been the prerogative of all possible web/reacts/electrons, etc., technologies, even C# WPF is an outdated technology. A little more htmlayout/ Sciter holds up, very nice mix of C++ with lightweight HTML rendering with CSS support etc.
                        The only justification for C++ UI is legacy support.
                      11. -1
                        25 January 2022 14: 46
                        You don't seem to know about PyQt or PySide.
                        Secondly, even "C# WPF" was outdated as soon as it came out.
                        Anders Hejlsberg's authorship cannot be good.

                        web/react/electron is terribly slow development and not convenient and archaic, I mean CSS and stuff with HTML (javascript JSX)

                        The speed of development in C++, C# and Java is the same. Developing the same in Python is about 10-12 times faster. Now take the best GUI and get a strong effect. And you need to write with pens, any graphics editor will lose at times, it is usually used by weak programmers

                        https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtdesigner-manual.html
                      12. +1
                        25 January 2022 17: 28
                        You don't seem to know about PyQt or PySide.


                        I know QT and PyQt very well, I have been working with QT for more than 10 years, I even ported it to the embedded linux custom build, but making a modern UI on QT is a pain an exception, this is only if you already have a legacy project on QT.

                        web/react/electron is terribly slow development and not convenient and archaic, I mean CSS and stuff with HTML (javascript JSX)

                        Here you can probably say, just like you above that you may not know these technologies, estimate how many man-hours it will take you to make a UI similar to Visual Studio Code, Microsoft Teams. And in no small part, Android's success in the smartphone market under the dominance of Apple, Microsoft with Windows Mobile/CE, and Nokia with Symbian is due to the ease of developing UI applications.
                        Even then, it became obvious that a beautiful colorful UI with scrolls, etc., takes an unforgivably long time to implement, for example, we had navigation software and tasks of routing, data search, data compression, implementation of a DBMS with a spatial index (in general, pure algorithms and optimization) in terms of labor costs were the same as the implementation of the UI with all sorts of drop-down lists, running scroll bars, etc. And the appearance of Android with JAVA made it possible to rivet any molds with any whistles, well, just incomparably faster, and it also allowed a huge community to instantly appear under Android
                      13. 0
                        25 January 2022 18: 31
                        project with legacy on QT
                        Do not use Windows and PyQt and PySide just gives you access to databases and everything else without Qt and is much more convenient.

                        For Android, look at QPython, this is Python (I got the SymPy computer algebra system working on it through pip) and PySide

                        Even then, it became obvious that a beautiful colorful UI with scrolls, etc., takes an unforgivably long time to implement, for example, we had navigation software and tasks of routing, data search, data compression, implementation of a DBMS with a spatial index (in general, pure algorithms and optimization) in terms of labor costs were the same as the implementation of the UI with all sorts of drop-down lists, running scroll bars, etc. And the appearance of Android with JAVA made it possible to rivet any molds with any whistles, well, just incomparably faster, and it also allowed a huge community to instantly appear under Android

                        I have so quickly is obtained in the forehead. Compared.

                        About algorithms, for example Dijkstra's algorithm, code by me
                      14. 0
                        25 January 2022 20: 45
                        I have so quickly is obtained in the forehead. Compared.

                        What exactly is faster?

                        About algorithms, for example Dijkstra's algorithm, code by me


                        And what is it for? This code has an extremely indirect relationship to real routing in production, starting with the fact that the entire transport graph is not included in the RAM and even physically on the device, determining the cost of travel along the edge of the function is more than one argument (distance, traffic status, cost / charge, road quality, accident rate, presence of cameras, etc.) and can even take a negative value, plus error handling at any stage, when there are more than a million users, nothing happens, there are no configurations, etc.
                      15. Alf
                        0
                        25 January 2022 19: 16
                        Quote: bya965
                        If it is short.
                        There is such a Qt development, I have been using it since 2003.

                        Be curious about what's in the Russian yutafone.
                  2. +2
                    25 January 2022 07: 41
                    Quote: bya965
                    we are one of the leaders, again all our own.

                    Yura! Who do we buy trash from?
              2. +3
                24 January 2022 17: 35
                Quote: bya965
                in industry, we lose only to China, India and the USA

                In terms of industry, where? By the amount of steel and aluminum produced, yes. And you count the foreign exchange earnings of the same Japan and ours. That is, you can set up steel and copper smelters and sell the product for export at cost. Your population will breathe the products of these plants, and get a living wage, because it won’t be possible to sell more expensively, and the oligarch also wants to eat. But Japan supplies high-tech products.

                Russian exports for 9M 2021 amounted to USD 340 mln, up 673% (USD 43,41 mln) compared to 103M 120.

                Russian imports for 9M 2021 amounted to USD 211 million, up 602% (USD 29,69 million) compared to 48M 438.
                Cumulative exports from Japan amounted to $641 billion in 2020:
                to China with a share of 22% (141 billion US$)
                in the USA with a share of 18,5% (118 billion US$)
                in South Korea with a share of 6,96% (44 billion US$)
                to Other Asian countries with a share of 6,92% (44 billion US$)
                to Hong Kong with a share of 4,99% (32 billion US$)
                to Thailand with a share of 3,98% (25 billion US$)
                to Singapore with a share of 2,75% (17,6 billion US$)
                in Germany with a share of 2,74% (17,5 billion US$)
                to Vietnam with a share of 2,66% (17,1 billion US$)
                in Malaysia with a share of 1,96% (12,5 billion US$)
                1. -8
                  24 January 2022 18: 22
                  Industry is not steel and aluminum, but parts made from them are better in the final product.

                  And export has nothing to do with it.
        2. -7
          24 January 2022 15: 37
          Those who have both resources and energy are in the best position - without them, you won’t make any modern high-precision machine tools, aircraft, microprocessors, machines, etc. will be corrected.
          1. +4
            24 January 2022 17: 16
            Why the best of what reasons, without any irony I ask? The world has long been globalized, resources will be brought to the Japanese from anywhere in the world for money, we ourselves (Russia) are pulling pipes to Europe and China, building gas carriers to transport resources.
            And technology is also a resource, often much more valuable than fossil resources.
            1. -7
              24 January 2022 19: 06
              That is, they are dependent on suppliers of raw materials and global external logistics.
              "We ourselves (Russia) are pulling pipes to Europe and China." Not ourselves 50 to 50 of our money and the money of the customer - the consumer.
              And technology is also a resource, often much more valuable than fossil resources. They represent a very conditional value if there is neither energy nor raw materials for their sale and mass production.
              1. +8
                24 January 2022 19: 13
                That is, they are dependent on suppliers of raw materials and global external logistics.

                So we (Russia) are also dependent on technology suppliers, the Americans banned the supply of Superjets to Iran with a stroke of the pen, and Russia did not begin to supply everything.

                They represent a very conditional value if there is neither energy nor raw materials for their sale and mass production.


                Nowadays, it is not difficult to obtain energy and raw materials, in comparison with any 15 nm production.
      4. 0
        28 January 2022 20: 52
        A protege of NATO is in power and echelons of oil, gas, gold, coal go there, what are you talking about, what kind of war and foothold in Ukraine? Who will hold this bridgehead of the 3rd battalion of the 1st Romanian on the T55, the Balts, the protoukry on the shishigs?
      5. 0
        28 January 2022 21: 20
        Quote: bya965
        Politka, for example, with the collapse of the United States (everything goes to this), there will be no Israel. They are now building a foothold in Ukraine.

        A donut hole for them, not New Russia! stop
    2. -10
      24 January 2022 06: 21
      Quote: SergKam
      The simplest question is: why would NATO attack Russia?
      What are the goals and objectives?

      Read the "manual".
    3. 0
      24 January 2022 06: 54
      Resources? And why win them if we ourselves voluntarily sell them, and deliver them to the border ourselves, and even demand to buy them (SP2 is an example of this)

      Why buy something when you can just assign it?
      And in order for your puppet to be more obedient, it should sit on your (and not its homegrown) bayonets. Then no unexpected somersaults can be expected from her.
      1. +17
        24 January 2022 07: 33
        Why buy something when you can just assign it?

        And who said that "just appropriate" is cheaper than buying?
        It's cheaper for me to buy a liter of milk than to "just appropriate" a cow.
        And how are you? Do you extract food resources yourself, or do you buy ready-made ones?

        It is absolutely the same with natural resources: it is necessary to extract, pay salaries to employees, it is necessary to support the population (including pensioners), it is necessary to maintain infrastructure, it is necessary to maintain security ...
        1. -9
          24 January 2022 07: 50
          It's cheaper for me to buy a liter of milk than to "just appropriate" a cow.

          If you need milk, why would you appropriate a cow? what
          It's the same with resources. All the costs of mining, salaries to workers and the maintenance of the population are a headache for your puppet. A small fraction of the extracted can be left to her, to cover the above-mentioned expenses. The rest - to yourself, beloved!
          As a last resort, the occupying troops (or PMCs) and the rebellion of the hungry mob will be suppressed, and the presumptuous puppet will be pressed to the nail. With a puppet, you can always agree in your favor on the division of what has been produced. After all, in addition to the gingerbread, you also have a very weighty whip.
          1. +12
            24 January 2022 08: 01
            As a last resort, the occupying troops (or PMCs) and the rebellion of the hungry mob will be suppressed, and the presumptuous puppet will be pressed to the nail.

            Once again: the occupation troops are oh how expensive.
            The US spent $2,3 trillion on petty Afghanistan.
            What resources will pay for such an amount?
            For this amount the whole world!!! you can provide oil for a year.
            The occupation of Russia will be even more expensive.
            1. -7
              24 January 2022 08: 37
              Every time and constantly liberals, liberalists convince us that NATO is the best thing in the world, it is a friend of Russia who only thinks how to help Russia, how to help her cope with existing problems.
              Here they even agreed on milk and a cow
              It's cheaper for me to buy a liter of milk than to "just appropriate" a cow.

              We saw this already in the dashing 90s, gentlemen liberals, we saw how, under the guise of "we will buy everything, they will sell everything to us," you destroyed production - the color of Russian industry, saw how, under the guise of "we will always buy a cap of milk," herds were put under the knife cows, sheep, etc. Have gone through this already. Thank you, your advice, gentlemen, liberals, on the sale of the Motherland, the state, the people of Russia, leave it for the Anglo-Saxons, they really like these tips, and they will continue to toss Judas pieces of silver for such advice ..
              And we are fired from your advice. The less you advise us, the better we, the people of Russia, and Russia will live.
              1. +9
                24 January 2022 09: 15
                Every time and constantly liberals, liberals convince us that NATO is the best thing in the world


                V. Putin confirmed that he is a "real liberal"
                Russian President Vladimir Putin in an interview with Russian and foreign journalists in Krasnaya Polyana confirmed that he is "a true liberal and holds liberal views."
                https://www.rbc.ru/politics/19/01/2014/570416189a794761c0ce5bf4

                Why are you talking about our president like that? If you don't want to listen to his advice, don't listen, but why call him names?
              2. -1
                25 January 2022 18: 09
                What does the cow and NATO have to do with it. By the way, I doubt that you yourself keep a cow.
            2. -6
              24 January 2022 11: 18
              The US spent $2,3 trillion on petty Afghanistan.

              And what is the share of cuts and kickbacks in this amount?
              And what was the proportion of collaborators among the Afghan population? I'm afraid it will be much more than that.
              I repeat: "The sheriff does not care about the problems of blacks." It's just that those who will piss on the western uncle will get horseradish without butter. Those who will force the previous ones to fuck will get horseradish and butter. The rest - get nothing! Their task will be not to die of hunger or from the bullet of a collaborator policeman!
              For each Russian, a certain rather large amount can be hung, for example, on account of compensation to Ukraine, the Baltic states, Poland, Japan, Finland, etc. And the task of the puppet will be to squeeze this amount out of the people by ANY way. The main thing - everything and on time! Even if for this most of the resources have to be left to her, the rest can be taken for FREE! And let the Russians kill each other at least without exception.
              1. +2
                24 January 2022 11: 33
                And what is the share of cuts and kickbacks in this amount?

                Unknown.
                But why should it change?
                Recalculate the area (or population, whatever) of Afghanistan and Russia - and multiply. Get the approximate cost of the occupation for 10 years.

                For each Russian, a certain rather large amount can be hung

                Were you teleported to us from the 19th century?
                Now, on the contrary, it is FAVORABLE for corporations that the population lives richly. Is it possible to sell iPhones and Chevrolets to the poor population?
                For American business, other countries must be rich in population and low industry in order to consume iPhones, Coca-Cola.
                Resources are needed only to produce goods from them. There will be no buyers of goods - the price of resources is zero.
                1. -2
                  24 January 2022 11: 42
                  It is beneficial for corporations to have their own population living richly.
                  In addition to Russia, there are enough other consumers of iPonts and Cola. China and India will block the whole world.
                  For American business - other countries must be rich in population and low industry

                  Excuse me, how is this??? belay Where will the population get money if they have nowhere to earn it? It will print them to itself?
                  1. 0
                    24 January 2022 11: 46
                    It is beneficial for corporations to have their own population living richly.

                    Corporations don't care who they sell to, as long as they make a profit.
                    If it were otherwise, we would still be sitting on rotary telephones.
                    Where will the population get money if they have nowhere to earn it?

                    Of course, this is the main problem of corporations. Create jobs, but in such a way that God forbid, do not create a competitor.

                    For example, you can extract and sell resources - and corporations are happy, and there are jobs.
                    1. +2
                      24 January 2022 11: 51
                      You cannot provide the entire population of Russia with work to extract resources. Unless, of course, quarries are not dug with shovels and picks, and the forest is not felled with axes, and then hauled by hand, as in the 19th century. So the rest - "do not fit into the market" and die.
                      1. +2
                        24 January 2022 12: 30
                        You cannot provide the entire population of Russia with work to extract resources.

                        Now it's secured.
                        What does Russia produce and sell besides resources? (Grain is also a resource)
                        How do we compete with American manufacturers?
                        And if there is no competition, why change something?

                        Here in the USSR there was the production of their cars, their household appliances, the USSR was inconvenient for the West
                      2. 0
                        24 January 2022 12: 45
                        What does Russia produce and sell besides resources?

                        Domestic consumption goods. The same cars. We do not yet have the entire fleet of foreign cars. Yes, and some are exported. Last summer in Egypt I saw "Largus", "Grants" and "Gazelles" with my own eyes. The shoe and clothing industries still exist and have their share of the domestic market. And during the occupation, it will all be fucked up as unnecessary for Western corporations. And at the same time education, medicine, social sphere. What will the people working in these areas do? Will Western corporations pay pensions to old people?
                      3. Alf
                        +7
                        24 January 2022 20: 04
                        Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                        We do not yet have the entire fleet of foreign cars.

                        Dear colleague, name at least one car plant in Russia, owned by Russia? AvtoVAZ, which you mentioned, does not belong to Russia, 77% of the shares are held by Japanese-francs, and I personally do not remember other passenger car plants in Russia.
                      4. -4
                        24 January 2022 21: 21
                        Dear colleague, name at least one car plant in Russia, owned by Russia?

                        GAZ, UAZ, KAMAZ. Enough to get started?
                        Actually, I was not talking about owners, but about factories operating in Russia and their products. Even if AvtoVAZ does not belong to Russia, it has not disappeared from Tolyatti, and Russian citizens still work there. And he pays taxes to the Russian budget.
                      5. Alf
                        +4
                        24 January 2022 21: 30
                        Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                        GAZ, UAZ, KAMAZ. Enough to get started?

                        The fact that KAMAZ, GAZ and UAZ makes cars is news to me. Can you tell me the names of the models?


                        Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                        Even if AvtoVAZ does not belong to Russia, it has not disappeared from Tolyatti, and Russian citizens still work there.

                        But Russia no longer takes part in the creation of the designs of these cars. And the Vesta, Kalina, Granta and Largus you mentioned will be discontinued and finally replaced by Dacias in different wrappers, after which the plant will move from developing its own models to only manufacturing what they give.
                      6. -1
                        24 January 2022 21: 47
                        Sorry, I read your comment too quickly, I didn’t notice that you were only interested in cars. Although ... "Hunter" with "Patriot" are not cars?
                        But do they produce their own developments at Dacia? Surely not Renault?
                        Well, let's build a Renault. If the design bureau in Togliatti survives and develops a machine that is in demand, we will build it.
                      7. Alf
                        0
                        24 January 2022 21: 52
                        Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                        Sorry, I read your comment too quickly.

                        Yes, everything is fine, what questions, sometimes I myself run ahead of the locomotive.
                        Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                        "Hunter" with "Patriot" are not cars?

                        Actually, they are jeeps. By the way, recently I came across an article in which it was proved with figures that UAZ sales are falling.
                        Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                        If the design bureau in Togliatti survives and develops a machine that is in demand, we will build it.

                        And once again read my highest message about the curtailment of developments at the VAZ by the 25th year.
                      8. +3
                        25 January 2022 00: 57
                        has not gone away, and Russian citizens still work there

                        Google "AvtoVAZ cuts" look at those numbers in the thousands of workers who were fired.
                      9. 0
                        25 January 2022 10: 52
                        Has the factory closed? We have cuts everywhere, incl. and in state structures.
                      10. Alf
                        +1
                        25 January 2022 19: 17
                        Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                        We have cuts everywhere, incl. and in state structures.

                        Only the number of officials does not decrease ...
                      11. +1
                        25 January 2022 18: 13
                        Well, if from this point of view, then there is no national engineering in the world at all
                      12. Alf
                        +5
                        24 January 2022 20: 06
                        Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                        Will Western corporations pay pensions to old people?

                        Why pay? It is enough for the RUSSIAN government to raise the pension age and no one will live to see it, although everyone will pay the pension tax regularly.
                      13. 0
                        24 January 2022 21: 26
                        Why pay? It is enough for the RUSSIAN government to raise the pension age and no one will live to see it, although everyone will pay the pension tax regularly.

                        This is exactly what the RUSSIAN government will do, imposed on us by "good" Western corporations, which colleague SergKam loves so much.
                      14. Alf
                        +3
                        24 January 2022 21: 36
                        Quote: Sergey Karasev
                        Why pay? It is enough for the RUSSIAN government to raise the pension age and no one will live to see it, although everyone will pay the pension tax regularly.

                        This is exactly what the RUSSIAN government will do, imposed on us by "good" Western corporations, which colleague SergKam loves so much.

                        Exactly so, exactly so, and it indicates that it is the same in the West. The truth about the size of Their pensions "for some reason" tries not to mention.
                      15. +2
                        25 January 2022 00: 52
                        "kind" Western corporations, which SergKam's colleague loves so much.

                        You seem to be a man, and the prerogative to think out is attributed to women. Or is the rumor wrong?
                        Show me where I said that Western corporations are kind, or that I love them?

                        I tell you the LOGIC of the development of events.
                        Logic is indifferent to our feelings and emotions. You can love, you can hate the law of universal gravitation, you know, he doesn't care.
                        And in order to learn how to fly, it is not enough to believe, but you just need to study aerodynamics.
                        If Russia wants to live and develop, it is necessary not to hang labels, but to understand the laws of development and the logic of other states.
                      16. 0
                        25 January 2022 10: 42
                        In some ways, you are right: I really got carried away with emotions and in the future the discussion may come down to a banal swearing.
                        But I did not take my conclusions from the ceiling, but on the basis of your theses.
                        For example, do you think that
                        Now, on the contrary, it is FAVORABLE for corporations that the population lives richly.

                        But the wealth and prosperity of the population is one of the first declared tasks any states. It does not matter that it is far from being fulfilled everywhere, it is declared everywhere. And those states where the improvement of the well-being of citizens is only declared do not enjoy authority. In your opinion, improving the welfare of the population objectively beneficial to corporations. It turns out that in an ideal state, corporations should decide everything, and then there will be heaven on earth! Can't this thesis be regarded as a declaration of love for corporations? If you think that this is different and I misunderstood you, then explain where I made a mistake and continue to express your thoughts more clearly.
                        And how do you, based on the above thesis, explain the existence of military industry corporations that do not work with the mass consumer at all, but exclusively with state customers?
                        Down the thread, I asked you why your thesis does not work in Central Africa. Do you have something to say about this?
                        Corporations don't care who they sell to, as long as they make a profit.

                        You are right about the profit. But profit can be drawn not only from expanding production and sales markets, but also from reducing costs, i.e. taxes, salaries, expenses for depreciation and equipment renewal, energy, ecology, social programs, etc. Now tell me, why is it unprofitable for Western corporations to overthrow our current government and impose their puppet government, in which the above costs can be minimized by orders of magnitude? With what fright will it be unprofitable for them to row everything they need from Russia practically for nothing? To impose tribute on Russia in the form of fines, "compensation for the use of illegally seized territory and moral damage" and other indemnities with reparations. Under this mute, it is possible to reduce the cost of production along with the price in defiance of competitors, and painlessly transfer the increase in taxes in your country. And in Russia, at least let the grass not grow!
                      17. +2
                        25 January 2022 11: 01
                        It turns out that in an ideal state, corporations should decide everything, and then there will be heaven on earth!

                        What makes you think this is heaven? Exaggerated - in the barn, the cattle also does not care about anything, there is food, there is warmth, eat and get fat ... but is this paradise?
                        Read the "predatory things of the century", it is clearly shown there.

                        Now tell me why it is unprofitable for Western corporations to overthrow our current government and impose their puppet,

                        And because, in our country, and so everything is tuned to Western corporations. Our government has killed the industry, there is no auto industry. AvtoVAZ belongs to Western corporations, we produce cars for ourselves and buy them ourselves, they get the net profit. Is it bad for corporations? Okay.
                        Go to the grocery store - there is absolutely the same picture. And household appliances. I will even say more - all our grain harvests, etc. provided with purchased grain. We have killed the selection, the seed material is imported.
                        We only have an independent military commissar and energy, but this is a small fraction.
                        Yes, and the West needs a military commissar - to create a threat to peace and push their weapons.
                        We won’t have a military commissar - to whom will they be able to sell their F-35s? Who will take them in the absence of threats?
                        To impose tribute on Russia in the form of fines

                        You can, of course, be fined. But this is a one-time thing and purchasing power will fall.
                        What for? Little by little is better, but for many years.
                        Again the analogy with livestock. You can, of course, save a lot of money and demolish the barn by killing the cattle. There will be a lot of money. And the future is hunger. Therefore, smart farmers, on the contrary, build new, comfortable paddocks, feed cattle, treat it.
                      18. 0
                        25 January 2022 15: 25
                        Exaggerated - in the barn, the cattle also does not care about anything, there is food, there is heat, eat and get fat ... but is this paradise?

                        For many, this is heaven... belay And there are plenty of them here and there. Haven't you met the like? Your comparison is really not entirely successful: as a result, cattle are slaughtered, and massively slaughtering an inhabitant for profit is not yet accepted in the West. laughing
                        And because, in our country, and so everything is tuned to Western corporations.

                        Not really. Western corporations are still forced to act in Russia according to OUR laws, and they are far from satisfied with everything. Ideally, they would like, for example, the extraterritoriality of the places where they manage. By the way, in Africa, the extraterritoriality of deposits owned by TNCs is practiced all the time.
                        Yes, and the West needs a military commissar - to create a threat to peace and push their weapons.

                        Sucking the enemy out of your finger through media propaganda is not so difficult. Why, say, China does not suit them as a threat to all mankind? Or Iran with the DPRK?
                        What for? Little by little is better, but for many years.

                        Who cares... Many will quickly skim off the cream and leave production to its own devices. Not everyone in a FOREIGN country will want to be diligent hosts.
                      19. +1
                        26 January 2022 01: 10
                        For many, this is a paradise... belay And there are enough of them both here and there. Haven't you met the like?

                        I agree with you, for many it is a paradise. But not for everyone.
                        True, the new education system seeks to correct this shortcoming (guess according to whose templates and, accordingly, in whose interests?) :)
                        Western corporations are still forced to act in Russia according to OUR laws, and they are far from satisfied with everything.

                        And here I partly agree. But let's not forget - Western corporations are not a monolith, but a bunch of corporations with CONTRADICTING requirements. And there will never be ideal laws for them. The ball is now ruled not by mining corporations, as you are trying to show, but by corporations with a high degree of processing - the same electronics, pharmaceuticals (and in our country the vast majority of drugs are imported), food, etc.
                        Their laws suit.
                        Sucking the enemy out of your finger through media propaganda is not so difficult. Why, say, China does not suit them as a threat to all mankind? Or Iran with the DPRK?

                        And who said that now the situation is not the result of an agreement and the work of the media?
                        Do not consider such an option that Putin and Biden play "good and evil cop"? The scheme is insanely simple, but each has its own advantages.
                        It is not interesting to write down China as an enemy - after all, the main trading partner, not everyone will accept a sharp change in rhetoric. Yes, it is far from Europe.
                        And North Korea or Iran are too small. What is that Europe to the DPRK? Why would Europe buy fighter jets to defend against North Korea if they can't fly at all?
                        Not everyone in a FOREIGN country will want to be diligent hosts.

                        What should be respected by the West - after all, they, for the most part, have long-term planning and there is no pursuit of instant profit.
                        It is in our mentality to grab everything at once, and then the grass does not grow ...
                        Apparently it left its mark that we have had a lot of revolutions over the last century (with a little), a change in government forms, a change in ideologies.

                        And once again, I repeat.
                        Of course, I do not pretend to be the ultimate truth, but I look at the logic of events.
                        Corporations want to make a profit, so they desperately need a lot of rich people who will consume what they produce.
                        By the way, from this logic, Western corporations should be sharply against other oligarchs, against corruption, but for equality of distribution, for high pensions and salaries.
                        Because the oligarch bought himself a Bentley and a yacht, and puts the rest of the money in a jar and does not spend it. Why does he need a thousand cars and a million phones? And to distribute to the workers - they will gladly run for thousands of Renault Dusters and iPhones on credit.

                        And about Africa (you asked several times) - corporations need a rich population, of course.
                        But this population must earn its own money. It’s extremely stupid to give money first, then take it away, don’t you agree? And Africans, alas, do not want to work and study.
                        And we were left with the most unprofitable industry for earning - the extraction of resources. Yes, some Western corporations were left without a profit, but the rest are making steady profits.

                        And why would they change it all?
                      20. 0
                        26 January 2022 13: 50
                        The ball is now ruled not by mining corporations, as you are trying to show, but by corporations with a high degree of processing - the same electronics, pharmaceuticals (and in our country the vast majority of drugs are imported), food, etc.

                        You did not understand me. I was not talking about those who rule the ball NOW THEM, but about those who will rule the ball WITH US during the occupation. Corporations representing the industries of deep processing of raw materials did not come to us, and they will not come. We have been calling them since the beginning of the 90s, we are calling, but we never get through. They are more interested in opening production in China, Thailand, Indonesia... but not in Russia. Although we have trained personnel, and factories have been built, only the equipment needs to be changed. And all because the cost of production will always be higher due to climatic conditions. In our country, capital construction is more expensive, and the heating season lasts six months, and energy costs are higher, because. temperatures in winter are lower than in Europe. And warm housing and warm clothes for workers are an essential vital necessity, which means paying them, even cry, you will have to pay more, otherwise they will simply freeze. Even the roads for the export of products have to be repaired more often due to temperature fluctuations, and repairs are more expensive. Raw materials have nowhere to go - oil and diamonds have to be mined where they are in the ground, and not where it is convenient for the corporation. Even if all taxes and fees are canceled for foreign corporations and removed from Russian jurisdiction, it is not at all a fact that Apple will start collecting iPhones in our country. It remains only to introduce autarky and try to do our own exclusively for ourselves.
                        Do not consider such an option that Putin and Biden play "good and evil cop"? The scheme is insanely simple, but each has its own advantages.

                        I'm considering. But I don't see any clear evidence. In this game, the key place is occupied by an inadequate and unpredictable object that imagines itself to be a subject. You know what I'm talking about. bully In such games, such inadequate people are not taken, because it is dangerous. That's why I strongly doubt that this is a comedy for the public.
                        It is not interesting to write down China as an enemy - after all, the main trading partner, not everyone will accept a sharp change in rhetoric.

                        Already change and accept. Otherwise, where did the "Pacific NATO" directed against China come from, which they do not hide.
                        Corporations want to make a profit, which means they urgently need a lot of rich people who will consume the produced ..

                        The share of Russians is less than 1,86% of the total population. This is very little, Western corporations can sacrifice such a market share for the sake of a momentary grab. Who knows what they will find more profitable?
                        And Africans, alas, do not want to work and study.

                        Actually, I agree with you here. This is not written anywhere, even on the Internet, but familiar eyewitnesses confirm this. In the end, why even among American blacks there are no great scientists, writers, artists ... Only athletes and musicians, and musicians who specialize exclusively in music that has Negro roots. Only ts-s! And then they will declare racists and impose personal sanctions. smile
                      21. +1
                        25 January 2022 00: 56
                        "Grants" and "Gazelles"

                        Grants and AvtoVAZ belongs to the French Renault.
                        GAZ is partially foreign, the director there is an Austrian. And the Germans participated in the modernization of the plant.
                      22. +1
                        25 January 2022 18: 11
                        Quote: SergKam
                        You cannot provide the entire population of Russia with work to extract resources.

                        Now it's secured.
                        What does Russia produce and sell besides resources? (Grain is also a resource)
                        How do we compete with American manufacturers?
                        And if there is no competition, why change something?

                        Here in the USSR there was the production of their cars, their household appliances, the USSR was inconvenient for the West

                        First of all, the military-industrial complex, then nuclear energy ... competition also in space
                    2. +1
                      24 January 2022 11: 58
                      And more:
                      Create jobs, but in such a way that God forbid, do not create a competitor.

                      In Central Africa, there are resources and manpower, and the natives are dying of hunger. Why don't your vaunted corporations create jobs there and produce rich consumers of Chevrolets and iPods? What makes you think that the same fate does not await us?
                  2. -1
                    25 January 2022 18: 07
                    Quote: Sergey Karasev
                    It is beneficial for corporations to have their own population living richly.
                    In addition to Russia, there are enough other consumers of iPonts and Cola. China and India will block the whole world.
                    For American business - other countries must be rich in population and low industry

                    Excuse me, how is this??? belay Where will the population get money if they have nowhere to earn it? It will print them to itself?

                    However... tell this to American corporations, otherwise they don't know it. After all, it was corporations that ate Trump when he wanted an AMERICAN citizen to get rich and earn money and not a worker from a foreign country.
                    1. 0
                      25 January 2022 18: 27
                      Everything is simple here: for a vacancy with a salary, which the last bum will disdain in the USA, in the third world, a million people will line up. If in the US you can buy a car for unemployment benefits, and in the third world a Chinese bike is a luxury item, then where are the lower wage costs?
                      1. -2
                        25 January 2022 19: 26
                        yes, it’s sad how ... at least sometimes you are interested in what and how people live in other countries now it’s not the last century ...
                      2. +1
                        26 January 2022 07: 24
                        Are the cost of paying the same labor in the US and the third world equal? And the Malays and Indians in terms of prosperity caught up with the Americans? And I didn't know... request And what about proofs?
                      3. -2
                        25 January 2022 19: 28
                        Quote: Sergey Karasev
                        Everything is simple here: for a vacancy with a salary, which the last bum will disdain in the USA, in the third world, a million people will line up. If in the US you can buy a car for unemployment benefits, and in the third world a Chinese bike is a luxury item, then where are the lower wage costs?

                        So you de claim that CORPORATIONS ARE INTERESTED IN THAT THE OWN CITIZENS GET RICH, and now they completely on the other hand remembered about labor costs ... Are you changing shoes on the go?
                      4. +1
                        26 January 2022 06: 53
                        Are you changing shoes on the go?

                        No. Just above, for brevity, did not add the clarification "ALL OTHER EQUAL CONDITIONS". The smart ones get it.
                      5. -1
                        26 January 2022 10: 27
                        Quote: Sergey Karasev
                        Are you changing shoes on the go?

                        No. Just above, for brevity, did not add the clarification "ALL OTHER EQUAL CONDITIONS". The smart ones get it.

                        Trying to get out is not counted ...
                      6. 0
                        26 January 2022 16: 34
                        Your problems. Buy yourself a medal and be proud. hi
                      7. +2
                        26 January 2022 17: 02
                        Quote: Sergey Karasev
                        Your problems. Buy yourself a medal and be proud. hi

                        you have to be more modest ... do not be like the citizens of the country 404 that think they are the navel of the earth ...
                      8. 0
                        26 January 2022 17: 08
                        Yes, I'm more modest than Poor Lisa. It is you who are trying to prove something to me with perseverance, worthy of a better application.
                2. +4
                  24 January 2022 11: 47
                  Recalculate the area (or population, whatever) of Afghanistan and Russia - and multiply. Get the approximate cost of the occupation for 10 years.

                  And do not forget to take into account the percentage of collaborators among the population. The higher it is, the cheaper the occupation. And ours will be higher.
                  1. -2
                    25 January 2022 18: 02
                    Quote: Sergey Karasev
                    Recalculate the area (or population, whatever) of Afghanistan and Russia - and multiply. Get the approximate cost of the occupation for 10 years.

                    And do not forget to take into account the percentage of collaborators among the population. The higher it is, the cheaper the occupation. And ours will be higher.

                    Are you talking about Ukraine now?
                    1. +1
                      25 January 2022 18: 08
                      No, about Russia.
          2. -1
            25 January 2022 18: 02
            why didn't they do it in 91...
      2. -1
        24 January 2022 07: 51
        Americans estimate the natural resources of Russia at 77 trillion. dollars. For example, oil is exported/stealed from Syria for next to nothing. sad
      3. +9
        24 January 2022 11: 00
        Cheaper than the extraction of resources by local forces and sale on the market will not be, European or American workers / engineers in our north will not work for our wages in our conditions.
        1. +4
          25 January 2022 01: 00
          This well reflects the production of cobalt in Africa. No one will work anywhere cheaper than locals.

      4. -2
        24 January 2022 15: 05
        Well, why then did France let Algeria go? according to your logic
        1. 0
          24 January 2022 20: 33
          Yes, there is no logic there, to put it mildly, there are generally very strange comments ...
    4. -9
      24 January 2022 07: 36
      The irony is that Europe, having played with SP-2, now buys gas at such prices that no SP-2 is needed, it has become profitable for Russia that it does not work. Gazprom wins. Flowless Victory. fatality.
      1. +5
        24 January 2022 07: 54
        GAZProm wins

        Well, well.
        Chinese CNPC, with which a contract was signed in 2014, resells Russian gas at 1,5 times more expensive through its subsidiary PetroChina, earning on a favorable market situation.

        China continues to buy raw materials from Gazprom at bargain prices, while gas spot prices in Europe and Asia have exceeded $1000 per thousand cubic meters. Thus, the average cost of gas pumped through the Power of Siberia pipeline in the third quarter of this year was 0,9 yuan per cubic meter, or about $140 per thousand cubic meters.

        China has won the most.
        I got cheap gas, got a profit from resale and plus a good reputation.

        Russia received a momentary benefit and a damaged reputation. Plus, against the backdrop of the crisis, Europe has recognized nuclear power plants as green energy and plans to build a bunch of stations to reduce gas consumption.
        1. -1
          24 January 2022 08: 32
          I, of course, wildly apologize, but Russia has nothing to do with it at all if gas speculators were not shot in Europe and brains with the launch of SP-2, so that they came to the current situation and prices of 1000+, then their attempts now to shift from their sore head to a healthy one do not matter. Don't like it, don't take it. China buys EVERYTHING.

          What are spot sales, you first find out, and then trample on the loaves. Spots are surplus sales, i.e. rather small offers compared to long-term contracts. And the fact that prices were dispersed on them by speculation, well, Russia is beneficial, yes. What China resells there, which has nothing to heat itself with, is not very interesting to me. By the way, Russia also sells to Europe to one buyer with whom the contract, and where he puts the gas then, Russia does not care. Otherwise, doing business is inconvenient. Well, Gazprom does not have the opportunity to drag pipes to every German house, or somewhere in SE Asia, let the locals do it.

          Nuclear power plants are, of course, wonderful. It remains only to bow to Rosatom and sell itself into slavery for the next 50-100 years, because even the French, who were leaders, have recently performed somehow not very well. At the same time, nuclear power plants by themselves will not replace gas as a key raw material for the chemical industry. And nuclear power plants have a nasty feature, they are VERY expensive to build, and very expensive to shut down. All profits from ultra-cheap generation go in between, and in general, these are real projects for half a century. And it is impossible to quickly increase their construction. Especially when for 30 years they suffered from garbage and lost their competencies.
          1. +8
            24 January 2022 09: 02
            Nuclear power plants are, of course, wonderful. It remains only to bow to Rosatom and sell itself into slavery for the next 50-100 years

            You really revised Zadornov, with his famous: well, stupid.
            From the first experimental reactor to the first nuclear power plant was 5 years. When required, the West knows how to build quickly.
            Even if we take into account the increased safety requirements, Europe will be able to increase generation relatively quickly.
            And at Rosatom, the world did not converge like a wedge. There is also China (which has overtaken us in construction), Korea, the French, again, are finishing Flamanville - there will be contractors.
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        3. +1
          24 January 2022 11: 02
          Something from your post smacks.

    5. +3
      24 January 2022 07: 52
      The simplest question is: why would NATO attack Russia?
      What are the goals and objectives?

      Well, the image of an insidious external enemy cements the nation and writes off all economic failures.
      Territory? But in the 21st century, it has little value.

      People who make decisions were born and brought up in the middle of the last century, when the territory had value. Therefore, the grandparents who are at the helm are very important, and most importantly, simple understandable categories like hectares, districts and regions are close. And not the ephemeral "digital era", "intellectual product" and similar genetics with cybernetics.
      Resources? And why win them if we ourselves voluntarily sell them, and deliver them to the border ourselves, and even demand to buy them (SP2 is an example of this)
      the captured cities can be taxed with the same tax as Russian ones, that is, "people are the second oil", it is also the third most important resource after oil and gas.
      So after all, it is enough to create conditions, and many specialists will leave on their own. And no one wants to support ordinary consumers

      So they leave ... no one is holding them.
      Another point - the existence of Russia in the status of an enemy is extremely beneficial to NATO. If there is no Russia, NATO can be safely dissolved.

      Yin and Yang... but seriously, the conflict with NATO will conserve the internal political situation in the Russian Federation for a long time, since the confrontation will be long.
      1. +2
        24 January 2022 08: 38
        Quote: Civil
        but seriously, the conflict with NATO will conserve the internal political situation in the Russian Federation for a long time,

        To do this, it is enough to maintain the appearance of confrontation. Fueling the sluggish conflict between Ukraine and Russia.
        1. -2
          24 January 2022 08: 45
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          To do this, it is enough to maintain the appearance of confrontation. Fueling the sluggish conflict between Ukraine and Russia.

          People got used to a petty conflict and began to look around, because strictly Cold War-2 with all the attributes, so who is against the war is against the country.
    6. +2
      24 January 2022 08: 45
      Territory? But in the 21st century, it has little value.
      .. How, how will they distribute a Far Eastern hectare to the Mexicans and solve the problem with Mexican migrants ... laughing
    7. +2
      24 January 2022 09: 19
      Quote: SergKam
      The simplest question is: why would NATO attack Russia?

      The goal is not to conduct military operations against the Russian Federation, but to create conditions for its collapse, to ensure it and to surround it with our own troops for control. Now there is an encirclement, and in case of internal destabilization (change of power, popular protests), they can take advantage of this and install their puppets in the specific principalities, they can start all this from the Caucasus. Armed forces along the perimeter will be used to intervene if necessary.
      And for what all this in my opinion is obvious. Eliminate an existential threat, take control of vast resources. For the United States, such a scenario is very beneficial, now they are spending a lot of money on the modernization of nuclear forces, the general maintenance of the armed forces. First the Russian Federation, then China, and then a cloudless future for them and domination over the planet.
    8. -7
      24 January 2022 09: 53
      You can't be so naive. Why did Rome strive for world domination? Why did Spain and Portugal move to America? Why did the dog-knights go to Novgorod? This is Western civilization.
      1. +6
        24 January 2022 10: 08
        Why did the dog-knights go to Novgorod?
        Why did Novgorod go to Korela, Vod, Izhora, all, Perm, Chud Zavolochskaya, Samoyed, Yugra. This is eastern civilization. It is completely different.
        1. -3
          24 January 2022 10: 11
          Well, yes. Again Russian aggressor. So why is the west lane everywhere and everywhere ...
          1. +8
            24 January 2022 10: 23
            Yes, what an aggressor Novgorod, these peoples choked in a stampede to become part of the Novgorod Republic, they gave bribes, furs, silver, walrus tusk, and mammoth bone. They ran into Portugal for spices, because the Turks blocked the Mediterranean, they charged a high price for silk and other goodies, and the Portuguese swam around to India, through Africa, and the Spaniards looked, damn it, trade routes were closed again, "accidentally" discovered America, and there .. an honest mother of gold and silver, it’s not measured .. We had everything civilized, gold, silver was not required, so, purely out of geographical interest and no more, and various peoples will meet Novgorodians or later Cossacks there, oh! Russians? And we are looking for you, we want to pay tribute, pay yasak .. Of course, ours refused, but they were so persistent ..
            1. -4
              24 January 2022 11: 43
              Glory to the heroes.
    9. -7
      24 January 2022 09: 58
      Quote: SergKam
      The simplest question is: why would NATO attack Russia?
      What are the goals and objectives?


      why the US and NATO military and political development of Ukraine?

      Territory? so you don't think it's worth it
      Resources? So Ukraine from the moment of obtaining independence is ready to sell to the West everything they like.
      Human resources? so they are already with them, they work as guest workers, and in Ukraine itself there are only pensioners left.

      As a military springboard for the attack and capture of Russia? but again, in your opinion, the existence of Russia is beneficial to NATO and the United States in the status of an enemy.

      So why do you think the collective West staged a coup d'état in Ukraine in 2014 and to this day is pumping Ukraine with weapons and carrying out military development incurring certain costs?
    10. -5
      24 January 2022 10: 09
      Quote: SergKam
      The simplest question is: why would NATO attack Russia?

      The easiest question iswhy Napoleonic (twelve languages), Wilhelmine and Hitler's NATO attacked Russia?

      There was no REASONABLE reason: without an attack on Russia, they were in complete chocolate, and aggression brought collapse.

      West....changed (except for the number of homosexuals)? belay When is that?

      And today, without any reasonable reason, they killed a million people, destroyed states and made millions refugees in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, the so-called. "Ukraine".

      By the way, a liter of milk, oil, etc. (in the 19,20,21th, XNUMXth, XNUMXst centuries) was always readily sold to them cheaply, why do they need smuts with a cow? belay

      NATO arms purchases began with 2014 years, since the creation of the image of the enemy from Russia.
      belay
      NATO expansion with 1994 g,, 2004,2008, XNUMX - when there was no "enemy" in sight.
      1. +1
        24 January 2022 10: 39
        The simplest question is why Napoleonic (twelve languages), Wilhelmine and Hitler's NATO attacked Russia?

        "Napoleonic NATO" ... Maybe in response to the violation of the Tilsit peace? Which arose not from scratch, but in response to the attacks of the coalition with the participation of Russia against the very "Napoleonic NATO".
        "Wilhelm's NATO" ... was once again placed by the friendly coalition in a hopeless situation of the inevitability of a war on two fronts, where one of the coalition members began mobilization.
        "Hitler's NATO" ... And to the "campaign against Bolshevism" specifically you what claims? It should suit you.
        1. -7
          24 January 2022 11: 04
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          Napoleonic NATO "... Maybe in response to the violation of the Tilsit peace?

          can not. The psychopath took over ALL of Europe before the attack on Russia. Normal people and states (Russia) fought with him.
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          Wilhelm's NATO "... was once again placed by a friendly coalition in a hopeless situation of the inevitability of a war on two fronts, where one of the coalition members began mobilization.

          Wilhelm's NATO first began mobilization (Avengria), FIRST attacked Russia, and he did two fronts.
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          "Hitler's NATO" ... And what are your specific complaints about the "campaign against Bolshevism"? It should suit you.

          It is you, the justifiers of the actions (convicted at Nuremberg) of the German Nazis, that their campaign should suit to Russia.

          PS again you are imposing with your annoying communication, ...

          1. 0
            24 January 2022 11: 28
            can not. The psychopath took over ALL of Europe before the attack on Russia

            So what? How does this cancel the fact that, starting with the Pilnitsky Declaration, the poor, unfortunate "countries of Europe" themselves tried to remove Napoleon? All their activities after 1791 should be "not noticed" just because they were conquered as a result?
            Wilhelm's NATO was the first to begin mobilization (Avengria) and it was the SAM that received two fronts, FIRST attacking Russia

            Austria-Hungary had a casus belli against a NOT member of the coalition. And she began mobilizing against a non-member of the coalition.
            It is you, the justifiers of the actions (convicted at Nuremberg) of the German Nazis, who should be satisfied with their campaign against Russia.

            Can you show where I justify Nazism? I'll be able to show where you, to put it mildly, consider Bolshevism criminal. Therefore what, specifically you, not satisfied with the "campaign against Bolshevism"? Then why these "crocodile tears"?
            1. -1
              24 January 2022 12: 00
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              So what? This cancels out the fact that, starting from Pilnitskaya declarations, the poor, unfortunate "countries of Europe" themselves tried to remove Napoleon?

              Oh ak! (With) lol

              What are you carrying? What ... "Napoleon" was removed in the declaration ... 1791 r? belay lol He was still by no one.

              А first declared war on Austria in 1792 and it was "revolutionary" France that attacked, having killed during his "defensive" war Millions of people of all Europe and being even ... in Egypt
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              Austria-Hungary had a casus belli against a NOT member of the coalition

              You never know what psychopaths / aggressors will invent for themselves as an excuse, but in reality the state located on the BORDER of Russia carried out mobilization, to which a natural response followed
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              Can you show where I justify Nazism?

              Everything has already been proven to you earlier (those actions that the justifier of the Nazis defended from the Nazis -condemned by Nuremberg).

              Therefore what, specifically you, not satisfied with "in the campaign against Russia" then and now? Then why these "crocodile tears"?

              PS you again imposed with his importunate communication,...
              1. +1
                24 January 2022 13: 17
                1) Well, what else is left for you but to cling to the metaphor. True, in this case (if you continue to pretend that you don’t understand that “Napoleon” meant “France after the Bourbons”), your claim to Napoleon the Emperor becomes generally incomprehensible - under some Turin or Bergen there are Russian troops appeared even under the republic and directories.
                2) Pilnitsky declaration. It answers the question of who was the first to decide to intervene in the affairs of another state.
                3) And since when did the murder of a member of the royal dynasty become an invention or ceased to be a casus belli?
                4) And now in your phrase, replace the word Russia with Germany. Nothing will change except your attitude. It's called double standards. It is not profitable to remember that the mobilization of Austria-Hungary did not take place near the borders of Russia. How unprofitable to recall the administration's public statements of support for Serbia before and against the backdrop of mobilization on the border with Austria-Hungary.
                5) Who defended what actions and where?
                6) I do not approach the past in terms of whether something suits me or not. Only to the present. And in the present, the "campaign against Russia" is just a repetition of the history that led to WWI, only Russia is now in the role of Germany. There is a price to pay for every decision. Or did someone think that the stupidity of 30 years ago would not backfire? It's time to reap the rewards. Not for you, of course, you are not in Russia. Well, your attempt not to answer an uncomfortable question... is not new.
                1. -2
                  25 January 2022 08: 27
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  Well, what else is left for you, except to cling to the metaphor.

                  What remains for a liar pinned on ignorance, how to try to shake his head and spin like a scallop. lol
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  incomprehensible your claim to Emperor Napoleon

                  belay Napoleon-drenched Europe and Russia-not enough?
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  who was the first to intervene

                  words are not war: everyone has the right to give an assessment and attitude, and it was France that unleashed the massacre.
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  3) And since when did the murder of a member of the royal dynasty become an invention or ceased to be a casus belli?

                  casus belli is the annexation of BiH by Avengri and the murder of the occupier is a normal phenomenon of resistance.
                  At the time of the aggression, Serbia was not to blame, and the Austrian ultimatum was not obliged to accept any norms of law.
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  And now in your phrase, replace the word Russia with Germany. Nothing will change except your attitude. It's called double standards

                  fool
                  what are you talking about again: I don’t have the word germanium in the com-ii to which you answer.
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  It is not profitable to remember that the mobilization of Austria-Hungary did not take place near the borders of Russia.

                  mobilization for the army was all country and this country is borders Russia. Russia was obliged to answer. Until the last day, Russia advocated a PEACEFUL solution to the crisis, which was rejected by the Germans.
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  Who defended what actions and where?

                  The nefarious lawyer of the German Nazis
                  6Quote: Vile skeptic
                  What is the document of international law that Germany violated?
                  . I’ll tell you right away, in confidence, Germany did not violate it.

                  Nuremberg responded to the Nazi lover.
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  And in the present, the "campaign against Russia" is just a repetition of the history that led to WWI, only Russia is now in the role of Germany.

                  fool Lavrov answered you ...

                  WHO is attacked by Russia today, like Germany against Russia, France, Belgium, etc., in 1914? fool
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  Or did someone think that the stupidity of 30 years ago would not backfire?

                  Stupidity and crime was a hundred years ago, when Ukraine, which never existed in history, was created and Russian people and Russian lands were included there
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  Not to you, of course, you are not in Russia

                  Russia is not what your bandits left of Russia
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  Well, your attempt not to answer an uncomfortable question... is not new.

                  fool Lavrov, ....
                  1. +1
                    25 January 2022 11: 54
                    What remains for a liar pinned on ignorance, how to try to shake his head and spin like a scallop.

                    The way you want to interpret the words of others is on your conscience and within your competence. It is explained to you what was invested in them.
                    Napoleon-drenched Europe and Russia-not enough?

                    Have you again decided to resort to the logical fallacy "appeal to emotions"? As if other wars have passed and are passing without blood and suffering. Once again - should the "poor, unfortunate" countries of Europe be pitied just because Napoleon beat them? At the moment when Napoleon became someone (and you decided to focus on this), coalitions of other states, including Russia, were already waging wars against his country. What should he do in such conditions? Give up? And why? Lose on purpose so that Olgovich has no complaints against him?
                    words are not war: everyone has the right to give an assessment and attitude, and it was France that unleashed the massacre.

                    First, these are not the words of the gossips at the well, who want to scratch their tongues. Second, intervention is prescribed in the declaration. Explain to you what it means? The third, in addition to "words", deeds - the content of the French royalists (and even before the appearance of the declaration), equipping their army, etc.
                    Do you know how to arrange events on the timeline? Do you understand that February is earlier than April?
                    casus belli is the annexation of BiH by Avengri and the murder of the occupier is a normal phenomenon of resistance.
                    At the time of the aggression, Serbia was not to blame, and the Austrian ultimatum was not obliged to accept any norms of law.

                    casus belli is a TERM. And it means a specific state, and not what you want to understand by it. There is no casus belli for non-sovereign formations. This is the first. And the second - the rebellion by the Bosniaks or other Balkan peoples, well, that doesn’t change the status of the "right to war" on the part of Austria-Hungary in the paradigm of pre-Versailles international relations. And only you, historians of law, disagree with this for some reason. It is not for nothing that the Sarajevo murder is cited as an example of casus belli in textbooks.
                    what are you talking about again: I don’t have the word germanium in the com-ii to which you answer.

                    So what? You just go ahead and do what you are asked. Hard? Or just realized that in this case it will turn out?
                    mobilization into the army was going on throughout the country and this country is on the border of Russia. Russia was obliged to answer. Until the last day, Russia advocated a PEACEFUL solution to the crisis, which was rejected by the Germans.

                    No need to pull an owl on a globe. Read the diplomatic and intelligence materials of the summer of 20 published (as part of the "open diplomacy" declared by the Bolsheviks) back in the 1914s (I already cited excerpts from there on this site when I removed the blinkers from the eyes of another "specialist"). All movements of the Austro-Hungarian troops before the start of our mobilization - to the borders with Serbia (which is why the Austrians failed the mobilization against us). Why is Russia obliged to carry out mobilization on the border with Austria-Hungary, if Austria-Hungary did not start such actions on the border with Russia? Because you feel like it?
                    The nefarious lawyer of the German Nazis
                    6Quote: Vile skeptic
                    What is the document of international law that Germany violated?
                    . I’ll tell you right away, in confidence, Germany did not violate it.

                    Nuremberg responded to the Nazi lover.

                    First. Where is the defense of Nazism? Another manipulation from you, built on a logical error, which is even called "appeal to Nazism"
                    Second. The phrase was taken out of context.
                    Third. Germany did not violate quite concrete, not abstract treaties. It has been shown. And your "arguments" on this subject still cheer me up.
                    Fourth. In Nuremberg, too, there was not abstract Germany, and the accusations were not against abstract Germany, but against quite specific persons. For very specific things.
                    Lavrov answered you ...

                    WHO is attacked by Russia today, like Germany against Russia, France, Belgium, etc., in 1914?

                    The fact that you think narrowly is not my problem. With what fright did you narrow the borders before the German attack in 1914? A chain of very specific factors led to this attack. Wouldn't you like to consider the period 1890s-1910s? And the motives of all the major geopolitical players, not just one. Perhaps you will mature.
                    PS Can you guarantee that Russia will not be forced to start hostilities in Ukraine this year? Then remember your words. And who attacked whom - the winners will write. All this is sad.
                    Stupidity and crime was a hundred years ago, when Ukraine, which never existed in history, was created and Russian people and Russian lands were included there

                    Everything that is in this world exists only from a certain moment, and before that it does not exist. Trying to draw conclusions on the fact that something once did not exist ... Not to mention the fact that the presence of these territories with people on them, as part of Russia, is not something that would allow us to avoid the situation in the world to which . A preposition is an external rationale for a cause/motive, not a motive.
                    1. -1
                      25 January 2022 13: 40
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      . It is explained to you what was invested in them.

                      Embedded stupidity and ignorance , who do not need explanations .: nonsense breccia and wriggle your head
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      Have you again decided to resort to the logical fallacy "appeal to emotions"?

                      it's not up to you to decide what the error is.
                      Who are you? belay
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      As if other wars have passed and are passing without blood and suffering. Once again - should the "poor, unfortunate" countries of Europe be pitied just because Napoleon beat them? At the moment when Napoleon became someone (and you decided to focus on this), coalitions of other states, including Russia, were already waging wars against his country. What should he do in such conditions? Give up? And why?

                      It was FRANCE that unleashed the war and the seizures of neighbors - this is just a FACT that will not reach you. And she captured the whole of Europe, with which the states of Europe fought.
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      in the declaration

                      in the declaration -WORDS and no CASES.
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      It is not for nothing that the Sarajevo murder is cited as an example of casus belli in textbooks.

                      belay fool lol You are surprisingly ignorant: NOT the murder of the Archduke became the KB, but NOT satisfying AVungaria response to an ultimatum, which she used as a casus belli and declared war on Serbia.
                      Got it? No.
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      So what? You just go ahead and do what you are asked. Hard? Or just realized that in this case it will turn out?

                      WHAT to do, WHERE to "replace", in WHAT phrase? What can be understood in your slurred nothingness? fool
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      Why is Russia obliged to carry out mobilization on the border with Austria-Hungary, if Austria-Hungary did not start such actions on the border with Russia?

                      Because Avengria is on the BORDER of Russia and the mobilized Austrian. the army can at any moment find itself against the non-mobilized army of Russia. Only your ly did this, but normal countries and people could not allow this, and they did it right, as events showed.
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      Where is the defense of Nazism?

                      belay I already showed it to the Nazi lawyer:
                      Quote: A vile skeptic

                      What is the document of international law that Germany violated?
                      . I'll tell you right away, in secret., His Germany did not violate.
                      -full support for the crimes of the Nazis heinous.

                      where did you get such impudence with such meager knowledge from ... wiki?
                      Stupidity which was shown to you (regarding the "zeroed" Lokkarn acc. lol the same letter guarantor lol etc. nonsense).
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      In Nuremberg, too, there was not abstract Germany, and the accusations were not abstract Germany, but quite specific individuals.
                      Not only to the faces - you don't know that either.

                      And the faces exercised state power
                      specific Nazi Germany
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      The fact that you think narrowly is not my problem. With what fright did you narrow the borders before the German attack in 1914? A chain of very specific factors led to this attack. Wouldn't you like to consider the period 1890s-1910s? And the motives of all the major geopolitical players, not just one. Perhaps you will mature.
                      PS Can you give a guarantee that Russia will not be forced to start hostilities in Ukraine this year? Then remember your words

                      some incoherent indistinct nonsense with half hints and winks. Like, "I told you so!" WHAT did you say, saying nothing?
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      Trying to draw conclusions on the fact that something once did not exist ..

                      there used to be something. The result is that the Nazis are killing Russian people. There is no such thing in the Russian bits of Novorossiya.
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      Not to mention the fact that the presence of these territories with people on them, as part of Russia, is not something that would allow us to avoid the situation in the world to which we have slipped. A preposition is an external rationale for a cause/motive, not a motive.

                      The situation in the world is a different question: the West has not changed and just continues what it did with Russia ALWAYS
                      1. -2
                        25 January 2022 16: 06
                        Stupidity and ignorance are embedded, which do not need explanations.

                        The way you want to interpret the words of others is on your conscience and within your competence. It is explained to you what was invested in them.
                        it's not up to you to decide what the error is.
                        Who are you?

                        And why? Because you feel like it? This is another manipulation based on the logical fallacy "appeal to a person".
                        It was FRANCE that unleashed the war and the seizures of neighbors - this is just a FACT that will not reach you. And she captured the whole of Europe, with which the states of Europe fought.

                        It will not reach you that February is earlier than April.
                        in the declaration -WORDS and no CASES.

                        Again, manipulation on the logical error "substitution of the concept." Have you decided to complete the collection? And the equipment of the royalists is not business? And diplomatic work to clarify the situation with Russia is not business? And the agreement, six months later, when the issue with Russia was resolved - is this not business? These are all links of one chain, in which the first link is the already mentioned declaration, where the subsequent links were just discussed.
                        You are surprisingly ignorant: NOT the murder of the Archduke became the KB, but NOT the answer to the ultimatum that satisfied AVungaria, which she used as a casus belli and declared war on Serbia.
                        Got it?

                        And again, manipulation with two logical errors at once - "appeal to a person" and "error of a part and a whole." The reason for the ultimatum is the assassination in Sarajevo? Yes. Is this a sufficient condition for declaring war, regardless of whether an ultimatum was announced or not? Yes. And that is why you removed the words about the "far-fetched" ultimatum from your original message - this word would directly indicate the secondary nature of the ultimatum in relation to the fact of the murder of the royal person in the context of "reason for war."
                        WHAT to do, WHERE to "replace", in WHAT phrase? What can be understood in your slurred nothingness?

                        So read the correspondence - the sequence of messages makes it easy to answer your question. Or is it my fault that you ignore what others write?
                        Because Avengria is on the BORDER of Russia and the mobilized Austrian. the army can at any moment find itself against the UNmobilized army of Russia.

                        And again manipulation. Why should Austria-Hungary "find itself" at our borders? Is there a reason? Name. Or just so you can somehow justify your conjectures?
                        -full support for the crimes of the Nazis heinous.

                        where did you get such impudence with such meager knowledge from ... wiki?
                        The stupidity of which was shown to you (relative to the "nullified" lokkarn acc. lol of the same guarantor of the letter lol, etc. stupidity).

                        Manipulation from you, built on a phrase taken out of context and a logical error, which is even called that - "an appeal to Nazism." According to the documents I will not repeat myself, they have nothing to do with today's message, from which the conversation began.
                        Not only to the faces - you don't know that either.

                        And the faces exercised state power
                        specific Nazi Germany

                        I know. But what is the point of talking about populism to a non-populist?
                        some incoherent indistinct nonsense with half hints and winks. Like, "I told you so!" WHAT did you say, saying nothing?

                        Everything is written, start reading at last. In the present, the "campaign against Russia" is just a repetition of the history that led to WWI, only Russia is now in the role of Germany. And the fact that you, on the basis of this phrase, where it is written in black and white "leading to WWI", write about the German attack on Russia and further down the list - that in history "already WWI" and not "leading to WWI" - this is yours the ability not to see anything written that would not suit you ... But it’s my fault that you couldn’t understand what it was about even after further clarification about “geopolitical upheavals in the 1890s-1910s” I. In your answer "about not saying anything" is there at least an attempt to reason about the written interlocutor? No. What then to me claims that you did not even try to understand?
                        there used to be something. The result is that the Nazis are killing Russian people. There is no such thing in the Russian bits of Novorossiya.

                        I'm already tired of messing around. I will simply write for some reason this or that expression is erroneous. This is the identification of correlation and causality.
                        The situation in the world is a different question: the West has not changed and just continues what it did with Russia ALWAYS

                        There may come a moment when you realize that the difference between the "West" and "Russia" was only those 70 years that you hate. The rest of the time, she was simply built into the food chain of that same "West" and played by the same rules. All phantom pains are only due to the fact that in this chain it does not occupy the place that different people invented for themselves. Let these people explain why it should have been different? Well, in general, the world missed its chance for a normal world order.
                      2. -1
                        26 January 2022 10: 53
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        T. to you explainedwhat was invested in them.

                        Pitiful absurd excuses and squealing head pinned on ignorance ..

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And why not?

                        because from no one (Error) and evaluation-nothing.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        It will not reach you that February is earlier than April.

                        once again: It was FRANCE that unleashed the war and the seizures of neighbors - this is just a FACT that will not reach you. And she captured the whole of Europe, with which the states of Europe fought.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And diplomatic work to clarify the situation with Russia is not business?

                        fool
                        No, of course: if all negotiations, intentions ended in wars, there would be no peace for a long time
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And again, manipulation immediately with the part and the whole"

                        your ridiculous attempts to get out look pathetic: you again disgraced yourself with your ignorance of the KB for WWI: NOT the murder of the Archduke became the KB, but NOT the answer to the ultimatum that satisfied AVungaria, which she used as a casus belli and declared war on Serbia ..
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        The reason for the ultimatum is the assassination in Sarajevo? Yes. Is this a sufficient condition for declaring war, regardless of whether an ultimatum was announced or not? Yes.

                        No, of course: there was no war after the murder. And against whom to fight, by the way: NO ONE proved Serbia's guilt then. Therefore, the ultimatum and it was he who became the design bureau.

                        And yes, the annexation of BiH is a sufficient condition for barns. murders? Yes . So she is KB lol
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        removed from their original message the words about "contrived"

                        fool Removed, because previously already I wrote it and I confirm it now.]
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        So read the correspondence - the sequence of messages makes it easy to answer your question. Or is it my fault that you ignore what others write?

                        I do NOT have the word "Germany" and I have NO WHERE to insert "Russia" instead.

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Manipulation from you, built on phrases taken out of context

                        There is no "pulling out" from the Nazi lawyer Vile:
                        Quote: A vile skeptic

                        What is the document of international law that Germany violated?
                        . I’ll tell you right away, in confidence, Germany did not violate it.

                        for Nazis: in accordance with the Charter of the International Military Tribunal crime:

                        - against the world (planning, preparation, unleashing or waging a war of aggression or a war in VIOLATION international treaties, agreements, assurances);
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Why should Austria-Hungary "find itself" at our borders? Is there a reason?

                        what's with the "reason"?
                        The main thing is the POSSIBILITY of this, and what will come into your favorite psychopaths' heads - no one could ever know.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        I won’t repeat myself according to the documents, they have nothing to do with today’s message, from which the conversation began

                        yes, you obviously disgraced yourself and ran away ... lol
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Everything is written, start reading at last. In the present, the "campaign against Russia" is just a repetition of the history that led to WWI, only Russia is now in the role of Germany.

                        Everything is written, start reading at last: this is complete BONDS and today's Russia in the role of .... Germany on the eve of WWI exists only in inflamed heads
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Is there even an attempt at reasoning on the written interlocutor in your answer "about not saying anything"? No. What then to me claims that you did not even try to understand?

                        and you didn't write anything.

                        And I'm not interested in guessing your half hints, winks, whispers and meaningful sighs.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        I'm already tired of messing around. I will simply write for some reason this or that expression is erroneous. This is the identification of correlation and causality.

                        I'm already tired of messing around. I will just write why your expression is wrong. This is the identification of correlation and causality.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        There may come a moment when you realize that the difference between the "West" and "Russia" was only those 70 years that you hate.

                        There may come a moment when you realize that there was NO difference between the "West" and "Russia" even in those 70 years that you adore: The same interstate relations, wars, seizures, treaties and interests.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Well, in general, the world missed its chance for a normal world order.

                        this is when from the "commonwealth" everything splashed with a friendly crowd with a joyful cackle at the slightest weakening of the unifying noose? wink And how many Russian trillions turned out to be thrown out by idiots in vain...
                      3. -2
                        26 January 2022 15: 34
                        Pitiful absurd excuses and squealing head pinned on ignorance ..

                        What excuses are we talking about? Are you talking about the culture of dialogue, when at some point it turns out that the parties interpret any moment differently, and in order to avoid a cumulative effect on the further course of the dialogue, such a moment is clarified by one of the parties in advance?
                        Why didn't you get a direct answer to the question:
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        At the moment when Napoleon became someone (and you decided to focus on this), coalitions of other states, including Russia, were already fighting against his country. What should he do in such conditions? Give up? And why? Lose on purpose so that Olgovich has no complaints against him?

                        You, from some moment realizing that your claim to Napoleon is groundless, you yourself are replacing the period of Napoleon (Napoleonic NATO), the period before Napoleon (France first started in 1792). That is, if I honestly explain what I mean when I named a specific period in a certain way - this is "atu it", and the fact that you yourself are rushing around the timeline in order to juggle the facts under your "theory" is "zer gut , Voldemar". You are impartiality itself. Not to mention the general culture of communication.
                        because from no one (Error) and evaluation-nothing.

                        Why? Because you said so? And do not try to move out, passing off an imaginary "mistake" as "no one" - you specifically personalized your message:
                        Quote: Olshovich
                        not you decide what the error is.
                        you-who?

                        Ask yourself then, who are you? And why do you decide that others say wrong?
                        once again FACT: It was FRANCE that unleashed the war and the seizures of neighbors - this is just a FACT that will not reach you. And she captured the whole of Europe, with which the states of Europe fought.

                        And what, what is a fact? The fact that February is earlier than April is also a fact. Have you taken this fact into account? Any fact by itself means little. You take facts that are convenient for you, do not take uncomfortable ones, and make a “conclusion” that is convenient for you - such manipulation is called suppressed evidence. Where does your "conclusion" take into account the preparations announced in February and carried out from February to April for a war against France? Where it is taken into account that France was already divided before April, Prussia - Alsace and Lorraine, Austria - Flanders, Artois, Picardy and Bavaria. Can you tell me why old enemies - Sweden and Russia suddenly conclude a military alliance? Can you explain why the decision on the war was submitted to the National Assembly by none other than Louis? Where does your "conclusion" take into account the diplomatic work of the French to prevent war? Where is a word about the proposals of the French to Prussia, which Franz dismissed? But no. Only a "fact" pulled off the surface, which is stretched on one's own or someone else's prejudices. That's when you start trying to comprehensively collect facts and then, on their basis, build a chain of cause-and-effect relationships, after which "conclusions" will become possible, then it will be useful.
                        No, of course: if all negotiations, intentions ended in wars, there would be no peace for a long time

                        Why did you write this if it was about something else? Let me remind you. You said that the declaration is just words. I tell you - that in accordance with it, things happened (preparation of aggression against France). That is, these words did not remain on paper, they began to be embodied in deeds. It was decided in "words" to get Russia into an ally on certain conditions, and in "deeds" the work of diplomats begins to implement this. And successfully (still not successful, when the goals coincide, Catherine outlined her position even before the Pilnitsky Declaration, it was up to bargaining).
                        your ridiculous attempts to get out look pathetic: you again disgraced yourself with your ignorance of the KB for WWI: NOT the murder of the Archduke became the KB, but NOT the answer to the ultimatum that satisfied AVungaria, which she used as a belli incident and declared war on Serbia

                        Another typical manipulation is pedaling the non-essential. When you were rightly pointed out to your incorrect use of the term casus belli, you went in cycles in a non-essential part of my post in order to obscure the essential. In the same non-essential part, you replace the whole with a private one and simply repeat one phrase, ignoring the explanations (this is called "an argument for nausea").
                        No, of course: there was no war after the murder.

                        Manipulation. Sufficiency is not the same as necessity. Do you give examples in history when followed?
                        And against whom to fight, by the way: NO ONE proved Serbia's guilt then.

                        So what? "Tube of white powder" certainly will not be a good analogy with the situation of the summer of 1914, but it does wonderfully show that proof of guilt is not a necessary component. This is the first. Second, again an attempt to manipulate, now with the help of a technique called "one and only proof." Just don’t pretend to be new, the Serbs got ahead of you in this in 1914. The Austrians had enough indirect evidence of the involvement of the state apparatus (which history subsequently transferred to the category of direct ones) even before the incident in Sarajevo, to which the Serbs pretended to be felt boots and appealed to the "world community "- well, these are all indirect, not direct. And if you want to play the card "it is impossible to judge the policy pursued by the state by the involvement of individuals in the state apparatus", then I will send you to the very Nuremberg trials that you are trying to fasten as "evidence" at another point.
                      4. -1
                        27 January 2022 12: 08
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        What excuses are you talking about? You are talking about the culture of dialogue, when at some point it turns out that the parties interpret any moment differently

                        About the worthless excuses of the vile one, who mentioned attempts since ... 1791 to remove nonexistent more Napoleon.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        direct answer to the question:

                        1. I feel free to answer these questions and talk about what I think is necessary. With your annoying burdensome pom "communication" you come in.

                        2. The French occupiers had to go home and surrender a decade and a half earlier.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        You, having at some point realized that your claim to Napoleon is groundless, you yourself are replacing the period of Napoleon (Napoleonic NATO), the period before Napoleon (France first began in 1792).

                        fool what kind of nonsense are you talking about, and even inventing it from me, I DO NOT share these periods
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        You are impartiality itself. Not to mention the general culture of communication.

                        You are bias itself. Not to mention the general culture of communication

                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Why? Because you said so? And do not try to move out, passing off an imaginary "mistake" for "no one"

                        because no one is emptiness, deceit, chiding, manipulation, ignorance, dishonesty, Russophobia, misanthropy, defense of the Nazis, justification of the killers and destroyers of Russia, etc., etc.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Where does your "conclusion" take into account the diplomatic work of the French to prevent war? Where is there even a word about the proposals of the French to Prussia, which

                        chit-chat: diplomats/kings all time something is being discussed, proposed, shared, but precisely the war unleashed France-aggressor and occupier tenth
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        You said that the declaration is just words. I tell you - that in accordance with it, things happened (preparation of aggression against France). That is, these words did not remain on paper, they began to be embodied in deeds.

                        in VERB and- NO wars
                        France is a matter of WAR
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Another typical manipulation is pedaling the non-essential.

                        WHAT do you call "insignificant" - your dense ignoramus in knowledge about the Design Bureau of WWI:
                        (Quote: Vile skeptic

                        No wonder it The Sarajevo assassination is cited as a casus belli in textbooks
                        ?
                        and your ignorance of the very concept of KB? belay lol
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        No, of course: there was no war after the murder.

                        Manipulation. Sufficiency is not the same as necessity.

                        forgot yourself, julitel, on again: Quote:
                        Foul skeptic
                        exactly The Sarajevo assassination is cited as a casus belli in textbooks
                        but it's in uch for iots.

                        And textbooks for normal people indicate that only unfulfilled the ultimatum became KB.

                        RџSЂRё performance the same ultimatum, in theory, no design bureau and war - just no.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        The Austrians had enough circumstantial evidence of the involvement of the state apparatus (which history subsequently transferred to the category of direct) even before the incident in Sarajevo

                        you have outdone yourself lol involvement in ... a murder that has NOT yet occurred fool

                        So the vile then murderer, just the murder has not happened yet. lol
                      5. -2
                        26 January 2022 15: 35
                        And yes, the annexation of BiH is a sufficient condition for barns. murders? Yes . So she is KB

                        Concept substitution manipulation. The annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina is not a sufficient condition, but a sufficient reason. This time. Casus belli, it still cannot be, since the principles of jus ad bellum are not fulfilled. And this has already been written before, but the Chukchi is not a reader, the Chukchi is a writer. This is two.
                        I do NOT have the word "Germany" and I have NO WHERE to insert "Russia" instead of it

                        And why are you going to insert the word Russia somewhere? Did someone ask you?
                        for Nazis: in accordance with the Charter of the International Military Crime Tribunal:
                        - against peace (planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in VIOLATION of international treaties, agreements, assurances)

                        Manipulation "appeal to Nazism". And what are you trying to say with torn lines from the charter of the tribunal? Do you understand what a charter is, and what is a verdict? They don't make me defend Nazism in any way. But you keep pushing. Fun to watch. By the way, did you notice the phrase "involving individual responsibility" there? And look above at your attacks on me when you were told the same.
                        what's with the "reason"?
                        The main thing is the POSSIBILITY of this, and what will come into your favorite psychopaths' heads - no one could ever know.

                        Well, as it were ... with everything. You also begin to refute this axiom. Do you see the absurdity of your statement "the main thing is the opportunity"? Does India have the ability to launch a nuclear strike on Russian territory? Yes (since there are nuclear weapons). According to your logic, we should have been the first to shoot back at India back in the 70s of the last century in order to stop such an opportunity for the Indians. Doesn't this happen in real life? Here is the answer to your fantasies.
                        Therefore, once again - for what reason should Austria-Hungary find itself near the border with Russia?
                        Everything is written, start reading at last: this is complete BULLSHIT

                        You forgot to write why this is nonsense. Because you feel like counting? This is not an argument.
                        and you didn't write anything.
                        And I'm not interested in guessing your half hints, winks, whispers and meaningful sighs.

                        I have written more than enough for you to independently, through analysis, come to the conclusions that I have come to.
                        What was required to be proved - you hang up the label "nonsense" not as a result of inferences, but because "uninteresting guessing." What are my complaints then?
                        I'm already tired of messing around. I will just write why your expression is wrong. This is the identification of correlation and causality.

                        You understand that these words of mine carried meaning, as they were related to your specific text. By writing them in response, you have deprived them of their meaning, since they can no longer be correlated in meaning with what I wrote. It's called parroting.
                        There may come a moment when you realize that there was NO difference between the "West" and "Russia" even in those 70 years that you adore: the same interstate relations, wars, seizures, treaties and interests.

                        First. Speculation for the interlocutor. I understand that all these 70 years "Russia" used the same tricks as the "West". Second. Substitution of concepts. Because she used these tricks just so as not to play by the rules of the capital world. And what, is it possible in a different way, if only Russia has become different, and the West has remained the same?
                        this is when absolutely EVERYONE from the "commonwealth" splashed into a friendly crowd with a joyful cackle at the slightest weakening of the unifying stranglehold? wink And how many Russian trillions turned out to be thrown away by idiots in vain...

                        Well splashed? AND? The earth ball rolled even faster into the abyss. Here is the joy.
                      6. -2
                        27 January 2022 12: 17
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        condition, but sufficient cause.

                        annexation- condition for the emergence
                        and the cause of terror, murder-cause ultimatum
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And why are you going to insert the word Russia somewhere? You somebody asked?

                        belay fool lol you scare me, you already have a split personality: THIS is what it is: Quote:
                        The vile skeptic

                        And now in your phrase, replace the word Russia with Germany.
                        ?
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        And what are you trying to say with torn lines from the charter of the tribunal? Do you understand?

                        you don’t understand: THE SENTENCE OF THE INTERNATIONAL MILITARY
                        TRIBUNAL
                        INTERNATIONAL MILITARY TRIBUNAL,
                        sitting in Nuremberg (Germany) in the composition and others:
                        defendants charged with
                        committing crimes against the world through planning, preparation,
                        unleashing and waging aggressive wars, which are also wars
                        in violation of international treaties, agreements and guarantees

                        for every Nazi there is a conclusion on guilt in section "Against the World" (Yes/ no) and only the vile lawyer of the Nazis against.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        According to your logic, we were the first to shoot back at India back in the 70s of the last century in order to stop such an opportunity for the Indians.

                        fool cupping occurs only ... with nuclear weapons? fool lol Lavrov, .
                        Cupping has HAPPENED-accordingly.

                        stopping the mobilized army of Avengri BORDERING on Russia - RESPONSE mobilization, and Avengri, after all, ATTACKED Russia FIRST.
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        You forgot to write why this is nonsense.

                        fool wrote. Unlike you
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        I wrote more than enough

                        NOTHING except winks wink wink
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        my words carried meaning, as they were specific to your text

                        and mine - to your nonsense
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        she does these tricks just so as not to play by the rules of the capital world

                        play by their rules to... not play by their rules? This is Lavrov again fool : divide, time, capture, overthrow, kill, but ... this is different lol
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        Well splashed? AND?

                        from good do not splash.

                        Russia, from the Congress of Vienna, the Hague Conventions, the UN, etc., is the only sincere supporter, initiator and keeper of the world.
                      7. +1
                        26 January 2022 17: 39
                        You are falsely trying to equate the victim and the aggressor. The West is always the aggressor! and according to the fruits .. Moscow burned several times (Poles, French) and untouched Warsaw. Paris taken where they didn’t even break the glass, the Russian army, the officers paid for the wait-gold !! The poet answered you at all times - the blood of the Slavs is intoxicating for them, but heavy! their hangover will be.. first they attack us, and only then our Russian God is strong! they get so that they whine for centuries, spitting with impotent malice ..
                        The character of the West is clearly visible on the world map. cover Russia with your palm, almost all the rest
                        countries and territories of the Earth of the colony of that bloody west that you are trying to shield. and almost everywhere the genocide of locals - Indians, Chinese, Indians, Africans, Vietnamese .. there are no number of those tortured by the "civilized" West. Our extreme Great Patriotic War - most of the losses among the civilian population. if, according to the old law, we returned an eye for an eye to them, the Germans as a nation would cease to exist. but mercy is higher than justice! so commanded us the Lord and our God Jesus Christ! forgive all this .. obscene asks. let them crawl. let them do their direct work (cleaning the sheds) Ikea builds different ones there or they produce Mercy .. and they, having regained strength, arrogance and anger, are creeping up to our borders again! Well, well .. so send the vitii of your embittered sons! they have a place in the fields of Russia among coffins that are not alien to them!
                      8. -2
                        26 January 2022 17: 50
                        There is no point in commenting on the entire stream of consciousness, this is for doctors. I'll stick to the specifics:
                        You are falsely trying to equate the victim and the aggressor.

                        First. Specify what you took for "equating".
                        cover Russia with your palm, almost all the rest
                        countries and territories of the Earth colonies of that bloody west

                        Second. And what year or century to look at the map of the world?
      2. Alf
        +3
        24 January 2022 20: 14
        Quote: Olgovich
        And today, without any reasonable reason, they killed a million people, destroyed states and made millions refugees in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, the so-called. "Ukraine".

    11. -3
      24 January 2022 12: 00
      there are now three main economic centers. USA, EU, China. Russia is like a knight on a chessboard. with whom it will be, he will win. the task in the confrontation with China is to knock out the horse.
    12. 0
      24 January 2022 14: 42
      What are the goals and objectives?

      NATO is for people who hawala, it does not rush anything.
      The question is why is it the USA?
      The goal is obvious The United States lives solely due to its hegemony.
      All of these astronomical debts are based on military strength and a bit on the economy.
      And the economy, in turn, is based on military force and, above all, on the fleet and nuclear weapons.
      And this situation will end in 5-10 years.
      The PRC will overtake the United States in terms of fleet, industrial production, but the population, the Army has already overtaken.
      The United States needs to fight the PRC, but they still have one trump card - the Strategic Missile Forces, which so far are many times superior to the corresponding forces of the PRC.
      But the United States cannot use this trump card as long as the Russian Federation has the same one.
      Bottom line: the United States simply needs to withdraw the Russian Federation from the game for the war with China. The US is guaranteed to lose a war on 2 fronts.
    13. -2
      24 January 2022 15: 06
      Quote: SergKam
      Resources? And why win them if we ourselves voluntarily sell them

      Why buy them when you can use them for free? This is one of the main reasons for the constant confrontation.
      1. +3
        24 January 2022 22: 55
        Why buy them when you can use them for free? This is one of the main reasons for the constant confrontation.


        And how to use them for free, this is not a game of civilization? To extract the same oil from the Russian earth and drag it to the USA, it needs engineers, geologists, environmentalists, drillers, workers, security. It is necessary to build houses for them and pay huge salaries so that they live in Tyumen the same. Then this oil needs to be explored, drilled, extracted, cleaned, somehow pumped or transported to the border. This means again we need to build pipelines, roads, bridges, airports, railways. All staff must be provided with shops, food, medicine, and entertainment. We need large appliances, household appliances, cars for staff, trains for the railway, buses, planes and helicopters. Then tankers are needed to carry this oil to the United States, unload it, transport it again, and process it. The state (USA) cannot do this, that is, companies and investors with huge money are needed to pull it all off? For example, Chevron will come to some Goldman Sachs and say - give us 10 billion, we will extract oil in Khanty-Mansiysk and transport it to a refinery in Texas. And for this we need to build a 5-kilometer railway line to Vladivostok, an oil terminal, an airport, helipads, 500 staff houses, 2 tankers, and so on. It will pay off in 40 years, if by that time renewable energy sources do not displace oil. Well, they will send this Chevron away to the Gulf of Mexico ...
    14. -4
      24 January 2022 16: 36
      Quote: SergKam
      The simplest question is: why would NATO attack Russia?

      NATE may not need it, but Fashington needs it. Everything in his house is on the verge of a "revolution" and the people need to be distracted, and the state debt (many, many trillions) must somehow be written off.
    15. 0
      25 January 2022 12: 12
      The territory will always be the main resource. That is why they are preparing against us. Even grandmother Albright said at one time that they say what an injustice that all of Siberia belongs only to Russia. If it weren't for our Yao, all the stinking internationals would have come here long ago.
      1. 0
        25 January 2022 12: 36
        If it weren't for our Yao, all the stinking internationals would have come here long ago.


        In the 45-49s, the country was bled and there were no nuclear weapons.
        However, no one came.
        In the 90s, when power was lying on the street, no one came either.
        Or "is it different, you don't understand"?
        1. 0
          26 January 2022 17: 58
          At 45-49 we had the best warriors in the world! the defeat of Germany and the lightning crushing of Japan, with which we had been fooling around for several years, clearly showed this to the whole world! despite their vile "unthinkable" and other wet, our tank armies were a few days before the English channel. the Anglo-Saxons could not and cannot bear large-scale losses. Korea and Vietnam have proven this. Afghanistan has now shown that they can no longer bear any losses. at 90 they achieved everything without a war by powdering the brains of the people and outbidding our elite. and how vampires drank choking and grinning our resources .. and mockingly mocked at our troubles. and laughed.. Hu from Mr. Putin? it was one of their last jokes.
          1. -1
            26 January 2022 23: 49
            the lightning crushing of Japan, with which you have been fooling around for several years, clearly showed this to the whole world!

            By your logic, the best warriors in Argentina.
            Argentina declared war on Germany, and the Nazis immediately capitulated.
            Or "is it different, you don't understand"?
    16. -1
      1 February 2022 13: 56
      The simplest question is: why would NATO attack Russia?

      In order to destroy a potential enemy. Who is the only one (so far) who can physically destroy the leader of NATO, to whose tune all the other howls of NATO are dancing
  2. +9
    24 January 2022 05: 20
    Evgeny, please show me 600 modern and combat-ready ships in the Russian Navy !!!! Modern and combat-ready combat ships! Rickets 15 days old, don’t show the remnants of the Soviet era, it’s not funny! So, a list of MODERN destroyers, frigates, maybe even cruisers I’m waiting for !!! And you are a supporter of a flat Earth, as I see it, otherwise the curvature of the planet's surface would not allow NATO for HUNDREDS of kilometers to see the Moscow Kremlin in Binoculars!!!
    1. +3
      24 January 2022 05: 41
      The probability of a collision with the use of traditional weapons is high, and how much it will slide into a nuclear war depends on the case.
      and what in this case, with our military doctrine, which directly says about the use of nuclear weapons in case of a threat to the existence of the state? including the "decision-making centers", that is, specifically for the US and Europe.
      1. +3
        24 January 2022 05: 48
        Quote: Aerodrome
        and what in that case, with our military doctrine, which directly says about the use of nuclear weapons

        Doctrine is theory. But in practice, not everyone is ready for heaven.
        1. +2
          24 January 2022 05: 53
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Quote: Aerodrome
          and what in that case, with our military doctrine, which directly says about the use of nuclear weapons

          Doctrine is theory. But in practice, not everyone is ready for heaven.

          but will there be a choice when it "presses"?
          1. +2
            24 January 2022 05: 57
            Quote: Aerodrome
            but will there be a choice when it "presses"?

            There is always a choice.
            All the small peoples of Europe still exist because at one time their leaders did not adhere to the slogan "we will all die as one."
      2. 0
        24 January 2022 08: 37
        and what in that case, with our military doctrine, which directly says about the use of nuclear weapons
        ... We won, Russian flags fly over the ruins of European capitals and Washington ... And what will you do with the territory contaminated with radiation?
        1. -2
          24 January 2022 09: 54
          Like what??? Take out garbage from Russian cities.
          1. +6
            24 January 2022 10: 01
            By the way, yes, a good place for landfills, a territory contaminated with radiation ... and stupid refugees from Africa will settle there
        2. 0
          24 January 2022 16: 58
          Chernobyl and Techa (and there infection is more powerful than the consequences of a nuclear war) have shown that the danger is exaggerated by professional alarmists. For an animal - so simply paradise.
          1. +2
            24 January 2022 19: 55
            for the beast, it's just a paradise
            the beast does not know about oncology.
          2. Alf
            0
            24 January 2022 20: 26
            Quote: Victor Leningradets
            For an animal - so simply paradise.

            [Center]
      3. Alf
        +2
        24 January 2022 20: 19
        Quote: Aerodrome
        including "decision centers",

        Our Ministry of the Concerned stated the same thing when our people entered Syria. Then "at the launch sites", then "we will shoot down everything that flies", then "everything that flies in our direction", and after hitting Khmeimim they said that this was such a "cunning move" ...
    2. 0
      24 January 2022 07: 32
      Also, by the way, I was surprised. What kind of fleet do we have? If only with patrol boats, which has the main caliber of the KPVT. And why 6.5 thousand nuclear charges? If for ICBMs, then less, if everything, for sure more.
  3. 0
    24 January 2022 05: 34
    And what was it?
    Some kind of indistinct set of "bukaf".
    What did the author want to say?
    That there are few of us, but we have the “Kremlin black swans” in the form of the KhPP in reserve, and therefore NATO should retreat?
    1. +13
      24 January 2022 05: 46
      Konstantin in a spare jacket lol hi - they are trying to convey information to us that, in principle, we can fight against NATO on an equal footing! The author did not take into account our "strategic weapon-caps !!! lol We will jokingly shower any adversary with them !!! lol
      1. +1
        24 January 2022 08: 33
        The author did not take into account our "strategic weapon-caps !!!
        We have a lot of hats...
        1. +1
          24 January 2022 10: 35
          A blow to Russia with conventional weapons is its weakening and an attempt to bend it under the United States by force in order to provoke a coup and bring puppets to power.
          Then, at the expense of the Russians, the South Koreans, the Japanese and the actual US strikes, they will solve the problem of China.
          The main goal, even if it sounds stupid, is world domination and complete control of the planet by some old men in the US Congress and administration. When it will be possible to download resources for free from everywhere, and drown those who object in the mud without looking back.
          1. +2
            24 January 2022 17: 01
            The main goal of the globalists is to optimize the size and ethnic composition of the world's population. Ahnenerbe and other devilry of Hitler are just children next to these gentlemen.
        2. Alf
          +4
          24 January 2022 20: 27
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          The author did not take into account our "strategic weapon-caps !!!
          We have a lot of hats...

          Made in China...
  4. +1
    24 January 2022 05: 48
    I am not a supporter of war. War is hunger, cold, devastation. And the war of nuclear superpowers, it will be the destruction of Earth civilization. Even if some state somehow survives, then they will face the dire consequences of a nuclear war. Well, the cosmic threat is not ruled out yet. The Apophis asteroid flies towards the Earth at "hypersonic" speed.
    1. +5
      24 January 2022 06: 47
      Quote: Jora Bayramow
      I am not a supporter of war. War is hunger, cold, devastation. And the war of nuclear superpowers, it will be the destruction of Earth civilization.

      You are right, not everyone wants war. But there is the Fermi Paradox and the Big Filter theory, according to which civilization will be destroyed.
  5. +6
    24 January 2022 05: 49
    Another point - the existence of Russia in the status of an enemy is extremely beneficial to NATO. If there is no Russia, NATO can be safely dissolved.
    NATO organizes enemies even without Russia. Iran, China, here are two and you don’t need to look. And North Korea is another enemy for NATO. The existence of these states in their current form is like a toothache for the collective West...
    1. +1
      24 January 2022 08: 11
      North Korea is another enemy for NATO.

      North Korea will not scare Europe, and not convince Finland to buy 64 F-35 fighters.
      The procurement of NATO weapons began in 2014, with the creation of the image of the enemy from Russia.
      1. 0
        24 January 2022 23: 11
        And what happened in 2014, that they began to make an enemy out of Russia? Olympics!
  6. +1
    24 January 2022 06: 19
    It is not necessary to talk about our country as a besieged fortress. We have opened nowhere further. Of course, we must do something to be respected. But if we strive to be like them, then we are unlikely to achieve this. You won’t achieve anything with verbal threats either. You have to prove your sovereignty every hour, every day. But with the pandemic, not everything is clear. A new strain has not yet appeared, and we are already being threatened with new ones. Somehow everything is going according to plan. Mortality from a pandemic never compares to the usual level. And who will part with the billions received from the pandemic.
  7. -8
    24 January 2022 06: 22
    Completely contrived article, not tied to reality. First, the strongest NATO country, which accounts for more than half of the potential, is the United States. Its main forces are overseas, for the transfer of which weeks and months are needed, i.e. by the time they get to Europe, the war in Ukraine will be over. But you still need to somehow overtake their Abrams across Europe, this is difficult, especially considering the actual carrying capacity of the bridges.
    Secondly, how many European "members" of NATO are ready to harness for Ukraine? Turkey (conditionally European) has the largest army, and they will still see if it is worth fighting. Germany will probably sit out, the participation of France is doubtful. Apart from the Baltic "tigers" and such "giants" as Macedonia, by and large, England and Poland remain. They will most likely be shaken up, but then the question will arise not when NATO troops will enter Moscow, but when the Russian army (together with the "Belarusian Front") will be in Kiev and Warsaw.
    1. +4
      24 January 2022 17: 08
      You do not take into account the huge resources of third world countries. As the experience of al-Qaeda (an organization banned in Russia), the Taliban (an organization banned in Russia), ISIS (an organization banned in Russia), and just bandits and pirates (organizations not banned in Russia) shows - to mobilize them for an outrageous genocide in terms of cruelty - easy peasy. Give weapons and direction for robbery and annexation, support from the air and sea - that's a new invasion for you. And we can get fronts like in the Civil War.
    2. 0
      24 January 2022 23: 13
      Are you seriously now discussing the attack and seizure of sovereign countries? Are you not bothered by the banality of such thoughts in your head?
      1. +1
        25 January 2022 04: 45
        Sorry, I don't understand, are you talking to me? I am not discussing an attack on neighboring plans, I was only trying to prove that NATO does not and cannot have plans to attack Russia. I am a categorical opponent of the war, at least at the moment with Ukraine and NATO, and I am absolutely convinced that no one is going to attack the Russian Federation. But what is in Putin's head, who would know except himself.
        1. 0
          25 January 2022 23: 17
          Hmm, for a second it seemed to me that you were talking about the Russian army in Kiev and Warsaw. Well, maybe it really did.
          1. 0
            26 January 2022 05: 24
            The Red Army was also in Berlin in 1945, by no means out of a desire to capture Germany. I just wanted to emphasize that in the current alignment of forces, we do not need to be afraid of NATO aggression, but on the contrary, the Russian army will defeat its opponents with a great advantage. However, do not confuse "have the opportunity" and "want". I still hope that Putin is reasonable enough and will not start a "big war".
  8. -5
    24 January 2022 06: 45
    And one more thing: the Americans will not want to seriously get involved in a war in Europe, because in this case they will leave the Pacific region defenseless. China will quietly occupy Taiwan, and it is not certain that it will stop there.
    1. 0
      24 January 2022 07: 50
      In this scenario, the United States will not care who takes Taiwan. They will not sacrifice Europe for the sake of Taiwan.
      1. +4
        24 January 2022 08: 09
        You think so, but the Americans, including the president, believe that China poses the greatest threat, especially in strategic terms, Russia is weakening, and China is strengthening, besides, the Americans (those who are smarter and in power) are well aware that conquering Europe no one is going to Russia.
  9. +2
    24 January 2022 07: 11
    such articles, this is the self-satisfaction of a choir composed of self-satisfier boys who call themselves experts, while they perform the song "Oh, you canopy my canopy" with a modified text about the coming war, performs with your left hand. Well, to surprise the audience. The pace of self-satisfaction is growing (articles are pouring from the TV and Internet scenes), but the good news is that such choirs consisting of such performers do not have access to tour in the Moscow Region, the Foreign Ministry and the Presidential Administration. And it’s upsetting that such choirs of supposedly experts and analysts still made their way to the VO website and to some TV channels with tours ...
  10. -6
    24 January 2022 07: 34
    There is one problem, the same US forces in Europe are negligible, and their deployment takes months, during which time it is possible to deliver 100 preemptive strikes. Participation in the war of some France with Italy and Spain, it's hard to even imagine why they might need it. Save Poland and Tribalts? Well, no one is attacking them, but where are the Ukrainians?
  11. -10
    24 January 2022 07: 59
    The article is written in the spirit of Ukrainian propaganda, it is fashionable there. At least Google, Yandex, you will be thrown such articles, and all in the same tone. Here Putin is completely right as the Supreme Commander. It is necessary to hit the decision-making centers. There is something to beat, by the way, and the choice is sufficient. That's why representatives of the SASH are fussing.
  12. +2
    24 January 2022 08: 30
    Well, we placed the soldiers, played .. Another question, in the event of a war with NATO, what will happen to enterprises where a solid share belongs to NATO capital? Are they being nationalized? What will happen to the capital of Russian capitalists invested in the economies of NATO countries? Will Coca and Pepsi factories produce Molotov cocktail bottles? and at the Armata screwdriver car factories?
  13. 0
    24 January 2022 09: 23
    A good prospect was described by the author Evgeny Fedorov. Sit down straight, fold your hands, or better, raise them to the top and go on foot, surrender to NATO and the Anglo-Saxons ... But not everything is so simple under the moon. As you know, the best teacher is history. So here are a few examples from history.
    1. The capture of Izmail by Suvorov - the largest Turkish fortress
    Izmail garrison - 35 thousand people. + remnants of the defeated garrisons., 260 guns on 11 bastions.
    Suvorov's army - 31 thousand people, including 15 thousand - irregular, 500 guns, not counting the ship. There is no need to talk about the superiority of the Russian troops. As you know, Ishmael was taken.
    2. WWII fought against the USSR all of Europe, with the exception of England, Sweden, Switzerland. The population of Europe at the beginning of the war was about 300 million people. The population of the USSR is 191 million people. The outcome of the Second World War is known. Ours liberated Europe and took Berlin.
    3. War in Korea 1950-1953 South Korea and all civilized countries led by the United States, as well as UN troops, fought against North Korea. China and a small number of Soviet troops fought on the side of North Korea. The outcome of the war is known. North Korea still exists as an independent state.
    4. The Vietnam War of 1965-1964. Whoever fought there from the West, including the United States, who surpassed the Vietnamese army in all respects. The USSR helped Vietnam. Outcome of the war. Vietnam won the war and unified the country. The Americans got out of Vietnam and the Vietnamese syndrome stuck in their memory for a long time.
    5. Iraqi war 2003-2011 Saddam Hussein's army was more significant than the US army + their allies. The outcome of the war is known. Iraq ceased to exist as an independent state.
    6. US war in Afghanistan. Just ended. The US + their allies have been fighting in Afghanistan for 20 years. The US army + allies is not comparable to the Taliban army. The outcome of the war is known. The US got out of Afghanistan the same way they got out of Vietnam.
    7. A small parallel. The USSR alone fought in Afghanistan against the combined forces of the coalition of the United States, the countries of the Middle East, supporting the dushmans, Iran, Pakistan, China, which supplied weapons to the dushmans. And the USSR did not lose this war. The USSR withdrew troops, because. the political situation in the USSR itself changed, but it certainly did not lose the Afghan war. The regime that remained after the withdrawal of the USSR troops under pressure from the same USA, Pakistan, China, etc. lasted without support for another 3 years.
    Summary
    It's too early to give up and raise your hands to the top. Russia has not surrendered and will not surrender to enemies. Our armored train always stands on the siding... And you are talking about the mobilization resource and the count of troops, etc.
    1. +1
      24 January 2022 11: 47
      South Korea and all civilized countries led by the United States fought against North Korea

      As for the civility of these countries, you probably got excited. The entire Western world, together with puppets, so it would probably be more accurate to say.
    2. +3
      24 January 2022 13: 02
      . WWII fought against the USSR all of Europe, with the exception of England, Sweden, Switzerland. The population of Europe at the beginning of the war was about 300 million people. The population of the USSR is 191 million people. The outcome of the Second World War is known. Ours liberated Europe and took Berlin.
      Have you tried economics? Have you forgotten about nuclear weapons too?
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    1. +4
      24 January 2022 10: 15
      Quote: Tomatoes
      Until 2014, NATO was dormant.

      Only this hibernation was caused by the digestion of previously swallowed: in 1999 - Hungary, Poland and the Czech Republic; in 2004 - Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia and Estonia; in 2009 - Albania and Croatia.
      Quote: Tomatoes
      And in the Ukrainian Rada, the issue of joining NATO has never been raised.

      But the mess in Ukraine began immediately after Yanukovych's refusal to surrender to the West right here and now.
      Quote: Tomatoes
      Yes, I will. For the first time since WW2, one country captured part of the territory of another country.

      You probably mean only Europe? So in the 90th year, the GDR was actually annexed. In 95, NATO bombed Yugoslavia and contributed to the separation of part of the country's territory. In 99, NATO bombed Yugoslavia and contributed to the final collapse of the state.
      You have a very, very selective memory.
      1. 0
        24 January 2022 15: 57
        But the mess in Ukraine began immediately after Yanukovych's refusal to surrender to the West right here and now. What do you care about their internal affairs? I write - "And in the Ukrainian Rada the question of joining NATO has never been raised." It is a fact.
        I can’t say anything about the annexation of the GDR, I don’t have a medical education.
        What part of Yugoslavia was occupied by NATO? Either an exact indication of the territory, or do not tire with empty words.
    2. +2
      24 January 2022 11: 45
      Quote: Tomatoes
      Yes, I will. For the first time since WW2, one country captured part of the territory of another country.

      Vietnam, East Germany, Kosovo, Iraq?
      1. -1
        24 January 2022 15: 59
        Seriously?? Are these countries part of the US?
        Vietnam was especially impressive. You are generally aware that North Vietnam captured the South, and not the USA.
  15. 0
    24 January 2022 10: 19
    More than Germans in the 41st:


    I also see the author’s analytics from the same 40 forties of the last century, which collapsed already in 1945, like the very tactics of the “big battalions” and it collapsed not because the West has even more battalions, but because the West already had nuclear weapons, but the USSR did not.
    The West then simply put up an ultimatum to the USSR to get out of Iran and the USSR immediately obeyed without having its own nuclear bomb.
    Now, having hypersound, Russia has issued an ultimatum to the West to get out of Ukraine.
    Now Russia has such a weapon that the collective West has no opposition to. And this very weapon nullifies all those very large Western human resources and superiority in the number of conventional weapons in an instant.
    1. 0
      24 January 2022 14: 11
      I’ll add my five kopecks. What about the use of viral weapons? Russia can safely withdraw from the treaty to ban its development, under the pretext of placing American biological laboratories near our borders. What they are doing there is unknown. And then genetically modify the same covid, achieving its most powerful lethality and, in case of war, pour it on the heads of NATO. The effect can be worse than 1000 megatons.
  16. +5
    24 January 2022 10: 46
    If NATO was moving east in order to improve a potential offensive against the Russian Federation in the final war against, then the state of affairs for them is unlikely to be better than now. Then it makes no sense for them to give back and return to 1997. This is 20 years down the drain. But if NATO does not have the goals of a full-fledged war, then they really benefit from a rollback. NATO and similar structures, for example, the Emperors, are characterized by constant expansion - the process of moving forward, expanding. Otherwise, stagnation, manifestation and disintegration ensue. Where all this is heading is not at all clear. But the situation is dangerous because neither side can foresee the outcome.
  17. -4
    24 January 2022 10: 55
    But most likely the devil will simply capitulate, again exchanging the country for personal forgiveness. The most typical move for him. He regards the country only as a bargaining chip, he has never heard of patriotism.
  18. +10
    24 January 2022 11: 03
    Not a single, I repeat, not a single thought about the potential possibility of New Year's events in Kazakhstan was not
    .

    Were. A few months earlier, Khazin, Shkolnikov, etc. were warned, but these are all non-systemic economists, not political scientists, who listen to them ......
  19. +3
    24 January 2022 12: 18
    Not a single, I repeat, not a single thought about the potential possibility of New Year's events in Kazakhstan was not. But then every self-respecting political scientist considered it necessary to talk about the reasons for what happened, so to speak, “sort it out”. What does it say? First of all, about the fact that in Russia there is still no clear independent structure capable of soberly assessing the geopolitical situation both in the world in general and in the immediate vicinity of the state. Unfortunately, analysts are not able to adequately predict options for the development of strategic events, but they are able to convince the broad masses, that is, simply to conduct propaganda.


    Already for this passage, I fiercely plus the author. Unfortunately, this is so - we have practically no analytics. All these respectable (and not so) people who disguise themselves as analysts are, to one degree or another, "talking heads" chopping cabbage on hype. Serious and intelligent people analyzing even the same Ukraine have long been pushed to hell.
    1. Alf
      +4
      24 January 2022 20: 34
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Serious and intelligent people analyzing even the same Ukraine have long been pushed to hell.

      Serious and smart not only analyze the Other side, but first of all evaluate what is going on Here, that's why they are pushed aside.
  20. 0
    24 January 2022 12: 24
    The simplest question is: why would NATO attack Russia?
    What are the goals and objectives?
    Territory? But in the 21st century, it has little value.

    There is only one answer - DESTRUCTION OF THE COMPETITOR. In trade, in politics, in military power (mainly nuclear weapons). There will be no Russia - it will be possible on the globe EVERYTHING YOU WANT. And the territory - fuck it is needed. It's cold there. It's warmer in Oklahoma and London.
  21. 0
    24 January 2022 12: 39
    The probability of a collision with the use of traditional weapons is high, and how much it will slide into a nuclear war depends on the case.
    No. Not by chance. In modern warfare, you no longer need to conquer territories to defeat the enemy. At the same time, it should be borne in mind that there have been very few MODERN wars in recent decades. More and more predatory raids and the conquest of bridgeheads ...
    So, in order to defeat and destroy us, our country does not need to be trampled under the boot of an enemy soldier. At the first stage it is meaningless. It is only necessary to destroy plants and factories - production potential. And that's it. The famine, which will begin almost instantly after the destruction of large storage terminals (which, of course, will also be targets), will no longer be overcome. That's all there is to it.
    The enemy keeps his borders and watches us die. Due to the fact that there are hundreds of times fewer plants and factories in Russia than the USSR had, all of them are carefully plotted on all maps available in the world, explored to the centimeter, it is simply a trifle to strike with modern weapons. The country has no margin of safety in principle. That is why, among the looting, C 300-400 survived and 500 were promised. The top management understands everything) Only here it is absolutely not enough to understand here.
    After the people starve properly, epidemics of various diseases will be launched. And after that, NATO troops will enter the country to finish the job. There is no modern way to counter this. The President spoke throughout the New Year's speech about the unity of the people.) Well done. That's just ... well, you understand. Unity?! Sure sure...
    This scenario has not been implemented right now only and exclusively out of fear of our nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are the ONLY REASON for the existence of Russia today. Maybe still hypersound, but just a little ...
  22. +3
    24 January 2022 12: 41
    Let the NATO Armed Forces really expand their spheres of influence, nevertheless, you should not think that they need us. On the contrary, they don't need us. More precisely, they do not want problems with the leadership of Russia. They do not need to seize our territories, because in the 21st century this is not necessary.
    You can simply buy resources from our territory, since our oligarchs and officials are happy to sell everything, and the profit is in your pocket. If they need people, they simply create the conditions for the arrival of those specialists that they need. There is not enough cheap labor - they let migrants in, there are not enough highly qualified specialists - they create a program of grants. And people are happy to move. Because they see that a foreign country invests more than their homeland for their comfortable and safe life and work.
    They are expanding solely from the fact that they are worried about the advances of the Russian leadership at the political level, as if we were the second USSR.
    Only now the USSR was the second economy in the world with the largest army in the world and one of the most developed scientific countries. And Russia .. she is far from what her great-grandfathers once built. Although the leadership is trying to build a superpower out of itself, this is complete absurdity.
    Our country is not a superpower, we are just trying to look like a superpower.
  23. +4
    24 January 2022 13: 14
    No analysts? Here I do not agree. And if there is, then for what interests will they do tests? It used to be clear, but now analyze Deripaska, Usmanova? When both brains and money flow away like a storm, and everyone tells us about the market economy. To begin with, let it be determined what the Motherland means, the people and values ​​​​up there. From the EP is just sick, one window dressing.
  24. +1
    24 January 2022 13: 19
    And I think that we are so excited, we put forward ultimatums in batches))) and everything from ministers to deputies and other bureaucrats of all stripes and ranks. Now everything is clear, bureaucrats just read such forums, here we have already defeated everyone ... 2 times)))
  25. -1
    24 January 2022 13: 59
    The simplest question is: why would NATO attack Russia?
    What are the goals and objectives?


    The ultimate goal is a complete and final solution of the "Russian question".
    And in the future - the "Chinese issue".
    1. +5
      24 January 2022 15: 36
      What kind of Russian question is there, it will be solved by itself and without any NATO, purely demographically, in 20-30 years most of Russia will be purely Muslim
  26. 0
    24 January 2022 14: 24
    Cut with the father of a wild boar. Huge, black, fangs of 10 centimeters for sure. In short, if you bite, then you will definitely lose a limb. And so, I distracted, and the father contrived and right under his shoulder blade with a thin long knife once and jumped to the side. And the boar squealed and froze, standing, shaking him all over. Father says: "That's it, now nothing will help him." I remembered this for the rest of my life. Victory is the only blow to the right place. So far, Russia is capable of such a blow. A year will pass and we will simply be trampled by all sorts of scumbags. It is necessary to beat first, but not in Ukraine, of course. Waiting for the full deployment of NATO into a shock fist is stupid.
  27. -11
    24 January 2022 14: 38
    Only NATO chiefs and presidents are afraid that VVP and Shoigu will have an inner core when repelling attacks, if conventional means fail to go through with the confrontation to the end. Those. - Strategic Missile Forces - into battle!
    1. -5
      24 January 2022 15: 46
      Why should the Strategic Missile Forces lead into battle - when there are tactical nuclear weapons and yes, NATO is a paper tiger one for all and all for one in fact - one for all and each for himself.
  28. +1
    24 January 2022 15: 06
    The question is how long the war of nerves will go on. And then there are options.
  29. BAI
    +1
    24 January 2022 15: 28
    The probability of a collision with the use of traditional weapons is high, and how much it will slide into a nuclear war depends on the case.

    As soon as someone loses, nuclear weapons will be used. Putin, on the other hand, expressed himself very clearly: "Why do we need the World if there is no Russia in it?"
    NATO's position is the same. But about myself.
  30. -3
    24 January 2022 17: 08
    In terms of the level of delusion, even Pelevin cannot be compared.
  31. -2
    24 January 2022 17: 39
    The article from the cycle is all gone .... Sheer panic. No one is going to measure guns, I hope, in the leadership of the country is not going to ... Only Tiao and Xiao ....
  32. 0
    24 January 2022 18: 51
    As soon as we see that the author of the article turns the agenda of the Russia-NATO crisis to the Ukrainian topic, we understand that the author either did not understand the essence of the conflict, or frankly misleads his readers. And most likely both
  33. -1
    24 January 2022 19: 04
    Most importantly, the Kremlin is not Russia yet. This is a building in which, like in the White House, there may not be anyone at the time "H", all the leadership and headquarters will go to other addresses, so the office city-vacuum cleaner Moscow is not yet command and control. Well, the population of Russia has long been separating the office-Moscow from Russia.
  34. +2
    24 January 2022 19: 33
    But if the GSVG remained in Germany, no one in the West would rock the boat. And NATO would sit on its hearth.
  35. 0
    24 January 2022 20: 17
    Quote: SergKam
    The simplest question is: why would NATO attack Russia?
    What are the goals and objectives?
    Territory? But in the 21st century, it has little value.
    This is in ancient times, the more territories you have, the more peasants you can settle. Now there are about the same number of people in small Japan as in vast Russia.
    Resources? And why win them if we ourselves voluntarily sell them, and deliver them to the border ourselves, and even demand to buy them (SP2 is an example of this)
    Human resources?
    So after all, it is enough to create conditions, and many specialists will leave on their own. And no one wants to support ordinary consumers.
    Another point - the existence of Russia in the status of an enemy is extremely beneficial to NATO. If there is no Russia, NATO can be safely disbanded. And weapons companies will go bankrupt, who will need the same F35s? Only free to give to Israel against Iran.

    Quite right. Even taking into account the periodically arising problems, "mutually beneficial" international cooperation has been going on and on. All the facts of the foreign economic life of the Russian Federation speak of the desire of the leadership to continue in approximately the same spirit, relying on raw materials and low-added products. If the West opened the borders for free labor migration of our citizens, then much more young people and middle-aged people would leave the Russian Federation.
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    1. Alf
      +1
      24 January 2022 21: 38
      Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
      Rip on Russia - everyone in the west will cry.

      If the Kremlin decides to press the Button...
      1. -1
        24 January 2022 21: 41
        It is clear that there are no tantrums in the Headquarters of the Supreme.
        But it will be necessary - they will press.
        1. Alf
          +3
          24 January 2022 21: 47
          Quote: Sands Career General
          It is clear that there are no tantrums in the Headquarters of the Supreme.
          But it will be necessary - they will press.

          To be honest, I doubt it. Too much dough was taken out there and real estate was bought, and the children live there, and not in the villages ... And where is Sam's daughter? I'm afraid that at the most crucial moment, some of the closest friends in the organized crime group Ozero would not knock on the handles with the words - Remove the handle from the Red Button, otherwise we'll break it.
          1. -2
            24 January 2022 21: 50
            I'm talking about the most fantastic option.
            It is not good to turn the west into a radioactive wasteland.
            And to shy away so that EMP frolic is quite humane))
            So what if they plunge into the Middle Ages?
            1. Alf
              0
              24 January 2022 22: 01
              Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
              And to shy away so that EMP frolic is quite humane))

              Humanely? Do you think EMP is humane? Do you even know how it affects the human body? First of all, this is a blow to the brain, eyes and a wild jump in blood pressure, bursting blood vessels and .. paragraph. What people feel when their blood pressure rises to 170-180, compared to an EMP hit, is flowers.
              1. -1
                24 January 2022 22: 05
                So don't bother climbing to us. If they don't want to get punched in the face like this, they should keep their "Drang nach Osten" manuals and intentions away from us.
  37. 0
    24 January 2022 22: 37
    The main thing is that the West is interested in the war between Russia and Ukraine. Alas, this is a politically win-win option for the Progressors. It is necessary to wait for provocations and everything goes to this.
    They cut this window into a viper, thanks to Peter .. how to plug it now?)))
  38. -1
    24 January 2022 22: 54
    A loose, incompetent and completely unmotivated for a serious war, a degraded and actually unnecessary NATO bloc, with semi-opera armies, especially new Baltic members, with semi-literate women defense ministers, it is difficult to consider a serious potential adversary.

    But, even if you believe the author, it is necessary, like Israel in 1967, which, according to all statistical indicators, was then categorically losing to its irreconcilable enemies - neighboring Arab countries, to deliver a decisive PREVENTIVE strike, securing itself for the next half century.

    Although the morale of the society of today's Russia and Israel-1967 is not comparable: EVERYONE there knew that the life of every citizen and his entire family directly depends on the outcome of the war.

    One consolation, in NATO countries this is even worse than in Russia.
  39. -2
    24 January 2022 23: 08
    What nonsense!
    Of course, any armored Cossack can be written into armored vehicles, and Albania can probably put up a million infantrymen, but all this is nothing
    Romanians on old Soviet tanks can only scare the Bulgarians
    All this NATO rabble is not capable of any meaningful military operations, with the exception of a few states
  40. AML
    +1
    24 January 2022 23: 25
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: bya965
    And most of all, bots from Ukraine write about holes in the floor, where the majority of the rural population almost without exception goes to this very hole, and simply does not know anything else.

    Dear you are my man! I'll tell you one secret, only shh. Here, in the Kuban, not only in rural areas, but also in small towns, there is no central sewerage either! It is, of course, but in the central areas of the city, and on the outskirts it is not there either. Homemade septic tanks rule.


    Estimate, but in Cyprus there is no sewerage at all, neither in cities nor in villages. EU, 21st century in the yard.
  41. +4
    24 January 2022 23: 29
    Never underestimate the enemy. The NATO military looks spoiled and pampered. Not willing to fight and die. But that doesn't mean they can't fight.
    Can they attack? I think yes. The demographic picture is clearer than clear.
    With the further development of the Russian Federation along the path of a system of controlled corruption, the attack will come but a little later. When the population dwindles and ages enough.
  42. AML
    -2
    24 January 2022 23: 54
    Quote: Alex Russia
    What kind of Russian question is there, it will be solved by itself and without any NATO, purely demographically, in 20-30 years most of Russia will be purely Muslim

    This applies to the entire white population of Europe and America as well.
  43. -2
    25 January 2022 02: 25
    Who is there to fight? There is no army in the continental geyrop.
  44. 0
    25 January 2022 04: 11
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  45. 0
    25 January 2022 09: 24
    Quote: Alex Russia
    What kind of Russian question is there, it will be solved by itself and without any NATO, purely demographically, in 20-30 years most of Russia will be purely Muslim


    Muslim is not a nationality, actually. A Russian, even having converted to Islam, will still remain Russian. And the nationalists from Central Asia will not be able to replace the Russians even after 200 years.
    It is too cold, and the birth rate among the nationalists in Russia will be less than in their native villages.
  46. -1
    25 January 2022 11: 13
    The power of the Achaemenids was also huge, which did not prevent Alexander the Great from conquering it.
  47. 0
    25 January 2022 15: 21
    Well, they will collect these "bayonets".
    On TV we turn on ballet and launch rockets ...
  48. 0
    25 January 2022 16: 55
    Not a single, I repeat, not a single thought about the potential possibility of New Year's events in Kazakhstan was not.

    don't read further)
  49. +1
    25 January 2022 17: 13
    A strange article ... first, no one will shine real analysts, they, while acting, always work in the shadows. And political scientists are a completely different category and will be somewhat naive to take them seriously. The second is the age of these 313 million should not be taken into account or what? Or maybe someone thinks that those who arrived in recent years and are legalized will run straight to fight? On the contrary, they fled from conflicts to a calm and well-fed life, and it is simply ridiculous to expect that they or their children will go to war. And the Abrams tanks, of course, pose a threat, but I wouldn’t be so afraid of them with the movement of these tanks already in the countries of the former socialist camp.
  50. +1
    25 January 2022 18: 14
    Quote: Alexey Sedykin
    Well, if from this point of view, then there is almost no national engineering in the world with the exception of the East. Asia
  51. -1
    25 January 2022 18: 18
    Quote: Sergey Karasev
    No, about Russia.

    And in my opinion about Ukraine...
  52. lot
    -1
    25 January 2022 20: 22
    ...all hope lies only in the “black swans” for which the Kremlin has long been famous.

    No, no...: The Kremlin is famous not for its swans, but for its lake.
  53. +1
    25 January 2022 23: 13
    There are many words, correct and very correct, but... Russia does not have the right to go to war, as before. Precisely because there are no human resources. Then bomb your enemy-occupied territory with nuclear weapons? It can immediately present potential aggressors with a fact in which the reality of an immediate nuclear response will be declared to any provocation (due to lack of time to check, someone’s “prank”), including the approach of bombers and other evil spirits to the borders (and there is no reason for the military of a foreign country to fly close, because missiles can be launched at any moment). Only on the verge of a foul can the prerequisites for peaceful coexistence appear.
  54. -2
    25 January 2022 23: 32
    “The likelihood of a collision using traditional weapons is high, and how far it will slide into a nuclear war depends on chance.”
    Conventional war is a defeat for Russia. The massive use of thermonuclear munitions at the very beginning of the conflict, or even better, proactively, is an opportunity to win, and an unequivocal statement and readiness for this is the most reliable way to prevent aggression.
  55. 0
    26 January 2022 10: 33
    Quote: skeptic
    There are many words, correct and very correct, but... Russia does not have the right to go to war, as before. Precisely because there are no human resources.

    And when they were very significant, maybe then with what time is the author comparing? In 1941 in the USSR there were 190 million under Hitler’s hand, 400, let’s not forget the labor resources, after the start of the war there were 70 million under occupation. By all gross-net indicators, the Union could not win the war. Technical superiority is on the side of the Wehrmacht. But for every tricky nut there is a threaded bolt. The Germans did not notice the main operation - the evacuation of industry.
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  57. 0
    28 January 2022 20: 47
    Finally, they revealed to us the secret that all of NATO has moved militarily closer to the Russian Federation, so it is so, but only the United States has a real army, or does the author think that the Baltic-Romanian army will give battle? Regarding the war, it is meaningless, resources are supplied and exchanged for the currency of NATO countries, NATO countries themselves own large shares in the largest companies, 60 billion a year flows into NATO countries. The Russian Federation is a cash cow and this is the success of its security.
  58. 0
    2 February 2022 12: 18
    Boris Vitalievich, help: