Chief editor of the Ukrainian edition: For Kiev, the best option would be the direct participation of NATO aviation on the side of Ukraine in a possible conflict with Russia

In Kiev, they continue to discuss whether NATO will help militarily "in the event of a Russian invasion." This is despite the fact that earlier the Alliance Secretary General Stoltenberg stated the need to distinguish between NATO membership and partnership. According to him, NATO countries will not be able to participate in a military conflict in the event of someone attacking a third country, if this country is not a member of the alliance. In Ukraine, they immediately rushed to remind NATO of the situation in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, where NATO intervened even without the membership of these states in the alliance. However, the functionaries of the alliance left these reminders without comment, actually making it clear that "this is different."

Now the Ukrainian journalist Yuri Butusov, who recently had a conflict with President Zelensky, made a post about how NATO will help Ukraine "in the event of a Russian offensive." According to the editor-in-chief of a notorious (scandalous) Ukrainian portal, in November, NATO officers carried out an analysis of the forces and capabilities of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. According to Butusov, this was done with a “field trip”.

Earlier, Voennoye Obozreniye reported on the arrival of American officers at the contact line. One of the high-ranking officers was the representative of the US Embassy in Kiev. Perhaps this is one of those field trips that Butusov is talking about.

According to the editor-in-chief of the Ukrainian publication, the NATO military assessed the combat capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the event of an offensive by Russian troops. According to him, NATO representatives pondered whether it would be advisable to supply the Ukrainian army at all weapon, will it be able to hold out on such supplies (so that the "Afghan scenario" does not work out? ..). Butusov said that "in general, the conclusions are positive."

At the same time, the Ukrainian editor-in-chief points out that for Kiev “the best option would be direct participation aviation NATO is on the side of Ukraine in a possible armed conflict with Russia. " And he immediately adds that so far such agreements have not been reached.

Comments

[Pessimist22]

They directly say that there will be a war, it is planned.

[Carat]

Here Lukashenko gave an interview to RIA Novosti. So also says that there will be war.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Pessimist22

They directly say that there will be a war, it is planned.

Will not be - Zelya is a clown, but not a suicide.

[Carat]

Quote: Babay Atasovich

Will not be - Zelya is a clown, but not a suicide.

Zelya is not only a clown, but at the moment the performer of the wishes of the overlords from the United States. There will be a war or not - Zelya will definitely not decide.

[GRANATE-19]

Putin said that in the event of an attack on the LPNR, Ukraine would lose its statehood ...
Well, then it will jump on the scythe ...
Reagents and artillery with aircraft can work from the territory of the Russian Federation, so they were warned ...

[prior]

The armed conflict between Russia and Ukraine will begin with the creation of a no-fly zone over the territory of Ukraine. Everything that rises into the air will be destroyed.
Will NATO dare to send its planes to this zone?
Are they all suicides there?

[Grandfather Mozai]

Most likely, the plan in case of war with Russia has already been developed by our "partners" and of course they are not fools to raise aviation, the stake will be placed on axes, but will he risk it, the stakes are higher than ever

[Mikhail Zhikharev]

Yes, for axes, but for Ukrainian ones. Raise your aircraft under the S-400, and even with the risk of the conflict turning into a nuclear one, there are definitely no fools. And the boneheads will get the full.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Well, that clown Butusov! Dreaming of NATO air support ... Right now! NATO / the US said bluntly: we will support something and language, but don’t hope for our direct participation in the war with Russia!

[Rome]

There won't be any axes! NATO will not fit in, they still need this world, they are going to live in it, and to live beautifully They need bloody pictures in order to have a reason to erase Russia from the world economy with the help of sanctions! How are we hindering them there? And the Yankees came to make sure that the Ukrainians could hold out for the right time, for procedural issues and to provide the necessary pictures on the air, and the Ukrainians themselves hung their ears that the West would help them
Our invasion will be, as I hope, in the form of a coup in Kiev with the support of Russian special forces, so that all this happens politely, polite people will help but the army itself at the front will be engaged in purely psychological work: like, we are sitting quietly, right now in Kiev we will close the issue and everyone will go home!
Here's a bummer for the United States again, the reason for sanctions is again dumb, again you will have to suck out of the thumb

[isv000]

Quote: Eroma

Here's a bummer for the United States again, the reason for sanctions is again dumb, again you will have to suck out of the thumb

Rather suck ...

[isv000]

Quote: Grandfather Mozai

the stake will be placed on axes, but will he risk,

Didn't the ax thrower think about Gauges and Zircons?

[Lionnvrsk]

For Kiev, the best option would be the direct participation of NATO aviation on the side of Ukraine

How! And what about aviation, it would be necessary to immediately think about the strategic missile forces?

[neri73-r]

Quote: Babay Atasovich

Will not be - Zelya is a clown, but not a suicide.

Zelya, like women in Europe at the post of defense ministers, is primarily incompetent, does not understand the consequences (in contrast to the professional military), and it is easy to persuade him to go to war! This is why he is dangerous.

[Thompson]

He's a puppet. And the puppeteer rules. Little depends on zela.

[Alekseev]

"... they directly say that there will be a war ..."
But at the same time they forget to say that no one intends to risk their own skin, that the Banderlog are appointed to fight.
In order for the Russian Federation to lose its fighting spirit, it is not at all necessary to "invade" with infantry and take the devastated territories with a significant share of the hostile population around its neck.
It is necessary to ensure on behalf of the DLNR a powerful fire defeat of the Ukrop WTO forces, and already the transformation of Ukraine into a safe and peaceful format, probably with a section on historical and cultural grounds, should provide local personnel, albeit with some support.

[Carat]

Quote: Alekseev

"... they directly say that there will be a war ..."
But at the same time they forget to say that no one intends to risk their own skin, that the Banderlog are appointed to fight.

Sorry, but this is what the article says:

earlier, the alliance secretary general Stoltenberg said about the need to distinguish between NATO membership and partnership. According to him, NATO countries will not be able to participate in a military conflict in the event of someone attacking a third country, if this country is not a member of the alliance.

[Lech from Android.]

Not only them ... Sladkov also claims that everything is ready for the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces ... and the hysteria of the Western media indirectly confirms that a pretext or provocation is needed to start the invasion of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of the LPR.
And what will happen next, only God knows ... we can only build different versions of situations.
I am more inclined to the worst scenarios when the Armed Forces of Ukraine will try to break through the defense of the LPNR with a massive offensive and reach the Russian border until the moment when it can provide assistance to the LPNR troops ... two ... three days of fighting will be decisive.
NATO will provide assistance to the Armed Forces of Ukraine with intelligence, specialists ... perhaps some kind of military equipment and weapons.

[Konnick]

two ... three days of fighting will be decisive.
NATO will provide assistance to the Armed Forces of Ukraine with intelligence, specialists ... perhaps some kind of military equipment and weapons.

It will take two, three days only for mine clearance, I hope. Moreover, NATO will not help in demining with either intelligence or equipment.

[Lech from Android.]

Perhaps so ... the LPNR defense zone is well equipped with mine-barrage devices.
Periodic detonations of soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine confirm this ... how the generals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will carry out their plan is still unclear ... a straightforward attack will lead to large losses among the personnel ... the second time they will hardly attack on the same rake ... they will come up with something extraordinary ... you need to be ready for this at any moment.

[Konnick]

will come up with something extraordinary ... you have to be ready for this at any moment.

They will not come up with it, they do not have aviation for hacking, but it is extremely ineffective to act only on land.

[Lech from Android.]

And the airborne assault to the rear?
Remember there was a case with the execution of 5 soldiers in the LPR ...
I’m wondering if the front end was mined. How was the sabotage group able to slip into the dugout of the fighters safe and sound?
So there are still weak points in the defense of the militia.

[fif21]

Quote: Lech from Android.

well equipped with mine-barriers.
Periodic explosions of soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine confirm this ..

Therefore, sappers from small Britain carry out mine clearance. It's hard to run through minefields.

[Blue fox]

It will take two, three days only to clear mines, I hope

Alas, not everything is so rosy here, colleague. A typical example is the recent hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh. And there the conditions of the theater of operations at times contributed to the stability of mine-explosive obstacles and constraining the maneuver of the advancing side. Mountains are not a steppe. In addition, even in the state in which the means of demining of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the general chaos in this conflict are located, no one cancels the banal ersatz demining in the breakthrough areas, which will consist in a massive artillery strike on the breakthrough area, including with the use of MLRS. of which, in general, there are enough, and then tanks equipped with trawls will go and that's it, the corridor for the offensive is provided. Yes, some single tanks and infantry fighting vehicles will be blown up on the remaining mines, but all this should not interfere with the proper preparation of the offensive. After all, we all understand that tanks will be at the forefront of the attack, and for a modern tank, detonation on the same TM-62, which are massive AT mines used by both sides, will only mean a short-term repair of the track, for which you can also prepare in advance by pulling up remrots etc. That is, tanks damaged on the first day will most likely go into battle the next.

[Alex bergman]

Have you personally seen how a "modern" tank on the tm-62 is undermined ??? The skating rinks fly 50 meters away. If the crew survives, they are unlikely to get out themselves. Yes and no, 404 have modern tanks.

[Alex bergman]

And this method of mining is used in normal combat conditions. If minefields are placed with feeling and arrangement, in predetermined tank-hazardous directions - so many surprises await! Pitch change, double bookmarks, traps and much more. I hope the old-school specialists worked on setting the fields.

[Victor Leningradets]

The APU will strike from the rear on the LPR and DPR through the territory of the Russian Federation. From the front - breaking through corridors with limited air support towards the enveloping grouping to dismember the defenders. But the boilers will be destroyed by NATO aircraft and drones. To move through the territory of Russia, it is planned to widely use tactical assault forces and DRGs.
If there is no proper opposition, of course.

[VORON538]

How will they get to the territory of Russia? However, you have a plan :)))

[Victor Leningradets]

The plan is not mine.
And they will enter the territory with sabotage and reconnaissance groups (DRG) and tactical landings precisely to ensure the advancement of mechanized troops. The task of these units will include the neutralization of our mobile forces and tactical aviation.

[VORON538]

Yeah, they'll just walk through. Will our border guards control the passage, or will they just sleep? Or will they react appropriately to violation of the state border? Do you think that ITS lines are so easy to cross unnoticed by a group of people with weapons on military equipment? It's unrealistic. The Ministry of Defense is just will turn a blind eye to the breakthrough of the state border of Russia by ukrovoyenov and allow them to just rummage through the territory of Russia on military equipment ??? You brought this nonsense about the invasion here from the "censor" or something ??? :)))

[Victor Leningradets]

The first message states:
"If there is no proper opposition, of course."
Second and foremost: never consider your opponent more stupid than yourself. The United States decides for the Armed Forces of Ukraine where and how to attack, and our General Staff (and not the Ministry of Defense) will have to RESPOND to their actions, and react in a predictable manner, which allows the enemy to take preventive measures. And then we destroy the grouping of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on our territory. NATO introduces troops to Ukraine and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with the support of NATO, are restoring the border with the Russian Federation. Ukraine is occupied by NATO. The game is played. The next operation is "Crimean War" and "Minsk Cauldron".
It is necessary to preempt the enemy!

[VORON538]

If NATO intervenes, this will already be the third world war. In this case, no one will pay attention to the wishes of the remnants of Ukraine.

[Victor Leningradets]

There will be no Third World War.
One of the countless troubles of our leadership is the attempt to apply the speculative norms of international law to a specific situation. From the point of view of our diplomacy:
1. Once the Ukrainian Armed Forces entered our territory - then we have a conflict with Ukraine - it is necessary to push them back beyond the INTERNATIONAL RECOGNIZED BORDER OF UKRAINE (ie, in the LPR and DPR).
2. If at the same time NATO troops entered the INTERNATIONAL RECOGNIZED TERRITORY OF UKRAINE, then it is necessary to express concern and a strong protest to the Machine, and to convene the next summit meeting to resolve the dispute through diplomatic means.
The achievement of a settlement on the border of the Russian Federation and Ukraine (due to the drain of the LPR and DPR) to pass off as another victory of our diplomacy.
3. Carry out a propaganda campaign explaining that we have nothing to feed the self-proclaimed republics, and that Russia will not fight for you, so yourself. And we need to raise the economy by targeting inflation and fight for the lifting of sanctions.
4. To work with the remaining patriotic part of the population on the topic that the deployment of NATO troops and missile positions near Kharkov does not change anything, since the same is possible near Narva and Dvinsk (oh yes, Daugavpils).
4. Think about how much more you can help Belarus, since missiles near Orsha are no more dangerous than missiles near Kharkov and Narva, and because of Old Man, our relations with the European Union, our MAIN TRADING PARTNER, have been completely ruined.
5. And most important of all irons to repeat: "If only there was no war!", And seek, seek compromises.

[isv000]

Quote: Victor Leningradets

The next operation is "Crimean War" and "Minsk Cauldron".
It is necessary to preempt the enemy!

Sometimes the most ridiculous scenarios come true ...

[isv000]

Quote: Victor Leningradets

To move through the territory of Russia, it is planned to widely use tactical assault forces and DRGs.

Eck you, my friend, poked ... Can't write down the address, where is such joy given?

[Victor Leningradets]

And how would you fight if you are (conditionally) KNSh of the US Armed Forces?
Would you have poured a drill into previously prepared positions without having an advantage in fire and gaining air supremacy?
They have no other moves except to attack from the rear. The alternative is to drain the entire ukrostrategiya altogether.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Pessimist22

They directly say that there will be a war, it is planned.

I heard a similar statement from a Ukrainian border guard back in 2013, when there was still silence.

[Carat]

NATO representatives pondered whether it would be advisable at all to supply the Ukrainian army with weapons, whether it would be able to hold out on such supplies

NATO representatives simply determined the volume of American weapons that would fall into the trophies of the Russian troops.

[alex neym_2]

On which one NATO will get involved in an armed conflict? If they interfere, then this is a world massacre, but, for now, they do not want it either ...

[Carat]

They are direct about this and tell the Ukrainians that Ukraine is a NATO partner, not a NATO member. And they are not going to harness themselves for NATO partners.

[Aleksey Aleksandrovich]

NATO is certainly a bastard office, but I doubt that stupid people rule there.
It's one thing to urge Ukrainian fools to go to war with us, and another thing to shed blood for these fools. And Russia is not Serbia or Libya. If something is washed with all the blood. And NATO as well.

[Konnick]

Butusov is "clever". Americans do not know M. Svetlov's poems "I left my hut, went to fight ...".
To give the land in Donbass to the chubaty .
The hopes of young men feed ...

[Dmitry Potapov]

According to the estimates of Western analysts, if the RF air defense is activated, NATO will lose from 50 to 80% of its aviation. Do they need it?

[fif21]

Quote: Dmitry Potapov

if the RF air defense is activated, NATO will lose 50 to 80% of its aviation. Do they need it?

Canadian fighters left Romania for their homeland, capturing a targeting group from Lvov. NATO does not take into account the fact that very few people want to die for Ze's show-off against Donbass, except for Yarosh's Nazis.

[Victor Leningradets]

In principle - yes it is necessary!
It is necessary to update both the aircraft fleet and the operational-tactical methods of waging war in the air. So an armed conflict without the use of strategic offensive weapons on the territory of Belarus, Ukraine, the Baltic States and the Transcaucasus is highly desirable for the United States.

[rotmistr60]

the best option would be the direct participation of NATO aviation on the side of Ukraine

Why only aviation? You ask right away, no demand that NATO members fight for you, and at best you will bring ammunition. The cunning rushes from all cracks and at the same time they still persistently beg for money, ostensibly for defense against "Russian aggression." The last "modest" request to the EU for 1 billion 200 million euros.

[tralflot1832]

Butusov would have worried that Tony had finally read the Minsk Agreements under Lavrov's control, and lo and behold, suddenly Russia began to agree to the US participation in the group for Ukraine's implementation of the Minsk Agreements, only if their role is positive, with such a proviso for now.

[-ш-]

does he think NATO wants to lose its aircraft?

[Nafanya from the sofa]

At the same time, the Ukrainian editor-in-chief points out that for Kiev "the best option would be the direct participation of NATO aviation on the side of Ukraine in a possible armed conflict with Russia."

And even cooler than Wishlist -

NATO, represented by the Americans, British, Poles and Estonians, attack Russia and occupy it up to the Ural Mountains. After that, the Kremlin was demolished to the ground, and Moscow was renamed into Banderatown, the keys to which were presented to Panam Ze, Turchinov and Butusov on a silver platter. The very same "former Russia" is changed into "Eastern Lviv region" and transferred "for feeding" to Pan Kolomoisky.

But then the orderlies came running, injected butusov haloperidol and his nightmare ended at his old broken trough ...

[Lord]

Do Ukrainians believe that NATO is ready to start World War III for their sake? Do they really think that a Frenchman or a German is ready to die for the sake of a Ukrainian?

[K-50]

In Kiev, they continue to discuss whether NATO will help militarily "in the event of a Russian invasion."

Take it easy. There will be no invasion. It didn’t surrender to us and didn’t resist anywhere, Vlom!

At the same time, the Ukrainian editor-in-chief points out that for Kiev "the best option would be the direct participation of NATO aviation on the side of Ur Kaina in a possible armed conflict with Russia."

What difference does it make if NATO participates not in troops, but in aviation? Or are they not troops? And according to this, they will be destroyed in the same way by Russia, and together with airfields and service staff. What does Nata's direct aggression against Russia mean with the subsequent nullification of ALL their military potential and coercion to peace? Only then NATO members will have nowhere to live, everything will be totally destroyed and destroyed.
Skakuas, do you really think that the heroes will exchange their well-fed life for some kind of Ukraine?

[Ardalen]

Russian air defense and electronic warfare means (real capabilities are mostly classified) will send all or almost all NATO aviation to the scrap (with the pilots, of course) .... they need it ??? ...

[Alexander Seklitsky]

No, they will not destroy everything, of course, but they will inflict unacceptable damage. Well, of course, they will not mow down the air defense weakly, because these will be priority targets. But again, this will be a blow to the territory of the Russian Federation with all the consequences. In response, gifts from the brigade will fly to the base airfields and oil storages and fuels and lubricants warehouses. Aviation will have to return to where it will turn out.

[Cb master]

Yeah, and even better that NATO soldiers would also fight there.
And while the soldiers of the world are preparing for the parade on Red Square
But it won't work, NATO has completely different plans for the warriors of the world

[Alexander Kopychev]

In Ukraine, they immediately rushed to remind NATO of the situation in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, where NATO intervened even without the membership of these states in the alliance.

I am not against NATO bombing of Right Sector militant training camps.

[know]

What a sweet naivety: the citizens of prosperous NATO countries, you see, must risk their lives for the sake of a country that they can hardly find on the world map. He understands that Bandera's members are terrible only for the defenseless civilian population. At the first shots from the east, they will run to Poland, Canada, and even to Australia. And NATO members understand that there will be a repetition of shots from the Kabul airport: the right-wing people will cling to the landing gear of aircraft taking off. Do they need it?

[Fisherman]

And it would be nice for us to practice in the battle with our air defense and electronic warfare against NATO aircraft. Immediately, many dreamers will chop off the wings of our air defense! Proxy war is the best PR for selling military equipment without losing l / s of your aircraft.

[Victor Leningradets]

Trained in Syria. Here you have to fight in earnest. If we do not defeat the opponents at lightning speed, then, I am afraid, we will not be able to pull off a long war. No resources available. So the rout should be complete, without Dunkirk's counterparts.

[TermNachTer]

There is a wonderful Ukrainian proverb: "Durin 'dumkoyu bagatin"))) this is just about him. For especially stupid ones, Stoltenberg said in plain text: "NATO will not fight for Banderland))))

[sleeve]

Oh, so interesting. However, the infrastructure that is at hand at the Outskirts can hardly provide five or six squadrons (60 aircraft) for permanent deployment. Ja and a jump the same can not be counted on much. What about fuel? He is not on the outskirts. We need a bulk supply. There is no NATO ammunition either. And they will be able to work only in the best case from the central part (in order to have time to lubricate the skis if the "overload" does not go). I'm not talking about the possible consequences a la "smear all over the face" including the Baltic states and Poland. In short, logistic problems with the impossibility of their imperceptible solution. AND? 60-70 boards against the southern flank of the RF Armed Forces, it turns out somehow. Without taking into account the air defense (and its qualitative absence on the outskirts to protect these sides). The fleet probably? But only from the Mediterranean Sea, go ... Kamikaze is not there, probably? We will never know the density of air defense in the Crimea and the possibility of overcoming it with a salvo of a couple of hundred cruise missiles. Hmm ... Can they turn around normally? There are also at least three submarines and how many nuclear submarines in the Tartus area and in general ... Are they suicide bombers? Well, yes ... And then who are the "starters"? It is not logical to come out with serious consideration ... If, for example, there are no "additional factors". The Afghans climbed into Central Asia, at the same time Idlib stirred, after the beginning the Japs rushed to the islands. Then the war will become both the Great and Patriotic War in a serious way ...

[Victor Leningradets]

The enemy must be preempted in the offensive. This ensures maximum results are achieved with minimum waste.

[sleeve]

aggression is not our credo. historical parallels are irrelevant.

[Victor Leningradets]

Nonsense full.
"If a fight is inevitable, hit first!" (V.V. Putin)
Public opinion in the context of an information war does not mean anything. Proven by the events of 08.08.08.

[dub0vitsky]

".. For Kiev, the best option would be the direct participation of NATO aircraft on the side of Ukraine in a possible conflict with Russia" ...

For Kiev, it would be a disaster. For, in such a case, we would not understand the choice of humane means of attack.

[NSV]

It's a shame, it's a shame my friend, to comment on nonsense, this Pan-head !!!!)

[Alexander Chirkov-Air]

America knows it will burn in an atomic fire!