British press: Russian S-500 air defense systems turn Western missiles and aircraft into useless weapons

Russian S-500 Prometheus air defense systems convert Western missiles and Aviation into useless weapon... These most advanced air defense systems in the world are capable of preventing any attacks in the air.

This opinion is expressed by the British newspaper Rai Al Youm, which is published in Arabic.

The material notes that the S-500 can intercept any missiles and aircraft in NATO armament, including the so-called stealth.

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov announced the completion of state tests and the receipt by the Russian Armed Forces of the Prometheus complexes. As noted by the British press, this news from Moscow caused bewilderment and concern in the West, because it was expected that these air defense systems would enter the troops no earlier than 2024.

According to the Rai al-Yaum journalists, after a sufficient number of new air defense systems are deployed in the RF Armed Forces, Russia can no longer fear any threats from the air, since Western weapons are powerless in front of such reliable protection.

It is known that the S-500 Prometey air defense systems are used to protect the airspace of Moscow, other large cities, as well as objects of strategic importance.

The complex is capable of intercepting even hypersonic ballistic missiles at a distance of up to 600 kilometers and an altitude of up to 40 thousand meters - according to the most modest assumptions. It can hit up to a dozen targets at the same time. Earlier it was reported that the air defense system is capable of intercepting targets even in near space, therefore, in the West, the S-500 is often called anti-satellite weapons.

At the same time, both in Russia and in the West there are enough experts who urge not to attribute fantastic properties to the newest air defense system. At the same time, few argue with the fact that today the S-500 has no foreign competitors.

Comments

[Glaz]

Well, not quite so, of course they are not enough in our country and they are still expensive .. But Moscow will be covered tightly first of all to see ..
And the rest of the territory, survive as you can
P / S And nevertheless, well done our scientists of the designer .. Work in progress!

[paul3390]

they are not enough in our country and they are still expensive

Well, the missiles that can effectively reach us from the Westerners are also not sacks, and they cost - by no means a penny ...

[Babermetis]

Quote: paul3390

they are not enough in our country and they are still expensive

Well, the missiles that can effectively reach us from the Westerners are also not sacks, and they cost - by no means a penny ...

I would say not to reach, but to hurt.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: paul3390

Well, the missiles that can effectively reach us from the Westerners are also not sacks.

There, these Westerners with rockets can be counted on the fingers of one hand of a hereditary carpenter ...

[mvg]

Westerners do not have bags either

Thousand 5-6 about only Tomahawks, plus a few hundred of all kinds of Scalps, Navals, Delilah, etc. These are only sea- and air-launched cruise missiles. Not a bag, so .... a small cart.

[sifgame]

Do you think the "issue" with Russia can be solved with some 6000 tomahawks?

[Tusv]

Quote: sifgame

Do you think the "issue" with Russia can be solved with some 6000 tomahawks?

By the way. Praise Obama for his global strike strategy. Russian air defense really jumped in combat quality every 10 times. Then it was really difficult to repel a simultaneous volley of 6 thousand axes. Now it is difficult to approach the strike distance. There are not only air defense, coastal, aviation, new and updated submarine hunters. Well, in general, by the end of the term, Barack with America received, instead of a global strike, an inaccessibility zone A2 / AD or At Dva in AD

[Grits]

Quote: sifgame

Do you think the "issue" with Russia can be solved with some 6000 tomahawks?

Taking into account that other things have just been created for the Tomahawks - cheaper and more effective. such as Carapace.

[Grits]

Once I was preparing a civil defense plan for my area on the basis of a similar closed plan for the region. And I came to the conclusion that all these Tomahawks (even those that are available in the United States) are not afraid of Russia. And even 6000 and even more so. We are not Yugoslavia and not some sort of Libya. To do this, you need to imagine what objects will be targeted and launched by these same Tomahawks. If on silos - then it's a dead matter. Our silos are now very tightly covered from such attacks and the chance that at least one of the axes will fly into the mine is rapidly approaching zero. The Americans are well aware of this and are unlikely to waste rockets on mines. military facilities remain. But they are also covered with air defense systems, and it is not very difficult to shoot down a subsonic Tomahawk with air defense or aviation. Even if there is no air defense facility, then from the experience of the Tomahawk strikes on Syrian airfields, one can already conclude that the damage that it will inflict is not critical.
Civilian objects remain - life support systems, electrical substations, water supply systems, heat supply systems, transport hubs, secondary bridges. Each of you can count how many such objects are in his area or small town. Large ones do not count - they are covered with air defense. And then you will come to the conclusion that a huge number of these same Tomahawks are needed to destroy or even damage these objects. And now estimate how many of these missiles are needed in your area and how many areas in total, and other conclusion - in the United States there will never be such a number of Tomahawks.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Gritsa

And then you will come to the conclusion that a huge number of these same Tomahawks are needed to destroy or even damage these objects.

there is one more significant point ... when trying to do something like that, you need to understand that in addition to defensive weapons, Russia also has very short-range offensive weapons and in serious quantities. The United States has long understood that a puddle will not protect them, not only from Russian missiles, but even from North Korean ones. in what a dismal state the American missile defense system is also known to all.
and one more question, where are these Tomahawks? at least 1000 in the reach of Russia is there? I doubt very much

[Normann]

If with a nuclear warhead, then yes.

[MinskFox]

Well, tell us how to concentrate a grouping of such missiles covertly at the point to strike at Russia, there are missiles, there is no possibility of a simultaneous strike.

[mvg]

there is no possibility of a simultaneous strike.

Why? Burkee, Tiki, Ohio .. within a radius of 1500 km. Pacific Ocean, Japan, Korea, North, Mediterranean, Black. Onshore installations in Romania and Poland, Turkey. Do you believe that we will deliver a preemptive strike when we concentrate the CD?
We will express our concern. And 6000 Axes and ala with them is a real force, no air defense can cope.

[A009]

Do you differ in the type of attack media? As far as I remember, the S-500 is not a tomahawk at all. They have enough from torus to C350 - if I'm not mistaken.

[mvg]

Do you differ in the type of attack media?

If you want the truth, then the means of attack by ICBMs are not reflected, neither the S-500, nor the S-700, or anything else. At best, Prometheus will be able to shoot down monoblock MRBMs at a distance of 40-60 km.
Thor (Cube), Buk, Shell - show themselves in Syria in all their glory: All missiles are shot down, all targets are hit ... and so from every raid.
Axes, if they fly, will fly along trajectories that will bypass air defense areas. ,,,,
The S-500 knocks everything down, only it costs too much.

[A009]

It's good that you are competent in this. Only I don't know you)

[76SSSR]

If you want the truth, then the ICBM attack means are not reflected

Axes, if they fly, will fly along trajectories that will bypass air defense areas

Colonel, have you taken your medicine again? Enough! Don't blame yourself for the defeat in Burkina Faso - we weren't there ... I'm tired of messing around with you, in my next room Napoleon is burning Moscow in the toilet for the third day ... How tired of you !!

[Grits]

Quote: mvg

Axes, if they fly, will fly along trajectories that will bypass air defense areas. ,,,,

And if the air defense area is located just above the target for strike? Which is most often exactly how it was built. Then what trajectory should the Ax take? Around the facility?

[Normann]

Axes, if they fly, will fly along trajectories that will bypass air defense areas. ,,,,

only they have nothing to do there)

[D16]

from torus to C350

From MANPADS.

[MinskFox]

The entire fleet should be at the borders of the Russian Federation, how do you imagine that? And, yes, look at the map, the range of the CD is not enough to strike deep into the Russian Federation. And deep down there is all the response potential.

[mvg]

look at the map

Which division of the Strategic Missile Forces cannot be reached? An ax with a nuclear warhead flies for 2500 km. Name the division, I'll name the point from where to get it.

[123456789]

Quote: mvg

look at the map

Which division of the Strategic Missile Forces cannot be reached? An ax with a nuclear warhead flies for 2500 km. Name the division, I'll name the point from where to get it.

And do not specify the coordinates of the PU?
While the tomahawks will fly to the target for 3 hours, the third world war will already end

[MinskFox]

42nd Tagil Missile Division (military unit 34103), for example.

[Spring fluff]

Russian subdivision of mobile ICBMs in Tagil https://twitter.com/nukestrat/status/981270830578618368 https://twitter.com/nukestrat/status/981270830578618368/photo/1 from the Barents Sea less than 2 thousand km

[Synoid]

The Barents Sea, the Laptev Sea - are we going to sit and watch the launches like this? Even if by a miracle they reach the border, after the first launches they will be sent to the bottom of the crabs to feed;) Well, you can dream, they are so sweet.

[Spring fluff]

What mriyas, I live here with my family and do not want to experience what will happen if something happens. Destroy the carrier after launches? It’s neither hot nor cold to anyone except his crew and their families.

[Spring fluff]

The poems are familiar. I don't really like it. There are different poets - Mandelstam, Blok, Yesenin, each his own. I like these more from Brodsky (I selectively copy those close to the topic):
I send you, Postumus, these books
What's in the capital? Lay softly? Isn't it hard to sleep?
How is Caesar? What is he doing? All intrigue?
All intrigue, probably, yes gluttony.

I am sitting in my garden, a lamp is on.
No girlfriend, no servants, no acquaintances.
Instead of the weak of this world and the strong -
only the consonant hum of insects.

Indeed, Postumus, the chicken is not a bird,
but with chicken brains enough grief.
If it fell to the Empire to be born,
it is better to live in a remote province by the sea.

And far from Caesar, and from the blizzard.
There is no need to fawn, to be in a coward, to hurry.
You say that all governors are thieves?
But a thief is dearer to me than a bloodsucker.

I was in the mountains. Now I am fiddling with a large bouquet.
I will find a large jug, pour water for them ...
How is it in Libya, my Postumus - or where is it?
Are we still at war?

Do you remember, Postumus, the governor's sister?
Thin, but with full legs.
You slept with her yet ... Recently she became a priestess.
The priestess, Postumus, communicates with the gods.

Laurel greens shivering.
Open door, dusty window.
Abandoned chair, abandoned bed.
A fabric that has soaked in the midday sun.

The pont rustles behind the black hedge of pines.
Someone's ship is struggling with the wind off the cape.
On a crumbling bench - Elder Pliny.
The thrush chirps in the cypress hair.

I live in Moscow, near the shopping mall, I work in the city, my wife, children, parents - all study and work in different districts. I don’t want to check how the missile defense system of Moscow will work and where and how then to look for their own if that. I am for peace

[Synoid]

Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Your mentality is not ours, take care only of yourself.
But such "cultural figures" - Brodsky, Solzhenitsyn do not like.

[Spring fluff]

Si vis pacem, para bellum is a reasonable expression. I propose to return from poetry and mentality to discussing our defenses.

[MinskFox]

62nd Missile Red Banner Division (military unit 32441), for example.

[In passing]

Pal Andreevich .... Are you a spy?

[Spring fluff]

Laptevih sea. from a normal depth of about 2800 km. trident 2 will fly by like in 10 minutes. here is a map, here are Uzhgur and Tagil https://fas.org/blogs/security/2014/05/russianmodernization/ and how they look approximately from space https://uploads.fas.org/sites/4/novosibirsk4-2013 .jpg

[MinskFox]

Talking about axes, what does the trident have to do with it? He will fly from the Pacific Ocean in a certain configuration, be careful when you interfere with a stranger in a dispute.

[Spring fluff]

Thank you, I am attentive enough. The range ax is not suitable in this case. And to come closer is the meaning of the straight line - the time of arrival and, accordingly, the speed of reaction.

[MinskFox]

I agree with you, the opponent just thinks that 6000 axes are feared in a global war) And I think that it is not worth it, and even more so they will not make the weather, but tridents and minitmen are a terrible threat.

[Spring fluff]

sorry to disagree with you completely. Internet all the same - it is customary to argue here :) IMHO war is terrible in itself, and what tools there will be - is the second thing. Americans and other "west" I do not consider fools and weaklings. they match the tools to the target. for those who live close to targets for nuclear warheads, of course, they are more dangerous. but I am not inclined to exaggerate their danger either. there are not so many of them and they are not so scary. no one will hit the cities just like that. the number, the radii of the affected areas - everything is known. but what will happen next? As far as I know, we have a bunch of infrastructure facilities not covered by anything. if a war happens, how will we live then? there is no need to write about nuclear winter and solid glass, even on 1% of the territory of the United States, all our nuclear warheads will not be enough. I'm not talking about our territory. I took a taxi two times yesterday. both times the taxi drivers are black-haired and bearded. the first from Tajikistan is peaceful, civilized. but when I asked him how his dad died there in the 90s, he hesitated. the second xs from where, I watched the live broadcast of the fight Nurullo Aliyev vs. Kirill Kryukov. I saw how many in the comments to the battle were like "Tajikistan forward". in Moscow alone, there are officially about 1,5 million from Central Asia. these are mostly young men without their apartments and supplies. what will they do if a serious war breaks out? Russians in Asia were mistreated in the 90s

[Grits]

Quote: mvg

Which division of the Strategic Missile Forces cannot be reached? An ax with a nuclear warhead flies for 2500 km. Name the division, I'll name the point from where to get it.

don't be so naive. Not a single Ax will reach the Strategic Missile Forces division, even if it reaches it. Or do you think we will watch him approach this very division and wait for death?

[Spring fluff]

Consequences of strikes on Shayrat https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2537570.html

[Normann]

The exact location at the moment of the nuclear submarine of the Russian Navy has not been specified ...

[D16]

And 6000 Axes and ala with them is a real force, no air defense can cope.

Bernstorf is the head! - answered the asked vest in such a tone as if he was convinced of this on the basis of a long-term acquaintance with the count. (C) Ilf and Petrov

[Kuroneko]

These 6k axes are smeared with a thin layer all over the world and US naval bases. And mattresses cannot throw everything only on Russia with all their desire.

[Roman Efremov]

Well, for these 6000 axes we have the same number of thousands of S-300 and S-400 in the first salvo (if Wikipedia is not lying). Not counting Buks, Thors and fighter aircraft (many hundreds of both).
That is, if so "in a peasant way" to count everything in bulk.

[mvg]

we have the same number of thousands of S-300 and S-400 in the first salvo

Special for you on the topvar, articles are published, something like "Air Defense of the Russian Federation".
The highest concentration of air defense was in 1982, in Lebanon. The result is known. All the air defenses were carried out without losses from the aviation side. And the air defense of the Russian Federation is not even the air defense of the USSR. If you believe the publications of Sergei Linnik, we have huge holes in the country. Only recently have they reported on the continuous coverage of the radar, but this does not mean that there are no open corridors.
About the ability of the MiG-31 to detect CDs against the background of the earth and shoot them down - these are Legends. The stars should converge into a whimsical figure.
Air defense capabilities to combat the Kyrgyz Republic and other ammunition can be partially judged by Syria.
PS: 3/4 of our members of the forum still believe that the S-400, covered with BUKs and Shells, is a panacea for all ills.
In case of need, the Jews will roll out Khmeimim in a couple of hours. Simply by oversaturation of the air defense systems channels, false targets, we swarm UAVs and electronic warfare.

[D16]

In case of need, the Jews will roll out Khmeimim in a couple of hours. Simply by oversaturation of the air defense systems channels, false targets, we swarm UAVs and electronic warfare.

And the Jews know that they have to roll out Khmeimim, realizing what will happen to them for this ?.

[xASPIDx]

Does Lebanon have air defense?

[mvg]

Does Lebanon have air defense?

It was a Soviet-style Syrian air defense system, built by Soviet specialists. All according to the manuals. As for yourself. Read materiel, not just Speed-Info

[Kuroneko]

In case of need, the Jews will roll out Khmeimim in a couple of hours. Simply by oversaturation of the air defense systems channels, false targets, we swarm UAVs and electronic warfare.

In case of need, after this, Israel runs the risk of living exactly as long as it takes to fly the X-102 from the Swans. And the Jews understand this very well.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Kuroneko

And the Jews understand this very well.

The Jews and the Russian military understand very well that the destruction of Khmeimim will result in a rupture of diplomatic relations and a freeze of all trade relations. Two years. Everything.
Therefore, planes and helicopters of Israel, the United States and Turkey fly in Syria just like at home. Bombing whoever they want, when they want. Without touching (deliberately, accidentally does not count) only the official troops of the Russian Federation.
This is reality.

[Kuroneko]

No, Israel will not get off with "tomatoes" after that. A simple minimal assistance from Russia is enough for "grateful" neighbors to pounce on Israel with joy. And literally everyone will want to participate.
Well, yes, the variant with the Kh-102 after the impudent aggression is quite possible. Opportunities are what matters in politics.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Kuroneko

Well, yes, the variant with the Kh-102 after the impudent aggression is quite possible.

Impossible. Their relatives and business partners are not bombed. The destruction of all expeditionary forces in Syria and the Transcaucasus will not lead to nuclear strikes. Nuclear weapons will be used only when there is an immediate threat to our territories, and it depends on which one. We will not do anything with conventional weapons in these theaters. Due to the lack of such an opportunity.

Quote: Kuroneko

A simple minimal assistance from Russia is enough for "grateful" neighbors to pounce on Israel with joy.

Funny.

Quote: Kuroneko

Israel will not get off with "tomatoes" after that.

It's true. Israel will have some human losses, very serious economic and diplomatic ones. But this does not stop it, but the absence of necessity. We have agreements with Israel and the United States on non-interference in each other's affairs in Syria and the non-use of weapons. Everyone wants to live.

[Grits]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

The Jews and the Russian military understand very well that the destruction of Khmeimim will result in a rupture of diplomatic relations and a freeze of all trade relations. Two years. Everything.

For the destruction of Khmeimim will be the destruction of the State of Israel. 200 years. Everything

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Gritsa

For the destruction of Khmeimim will be the destruction of the State of Israel. 200 years. Everything

What kind of fright? These are purely expeditionary forces, there is no threat to Russia. What clause of the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of June 2, 2020 No. 355 is this aggression suitable for?
Your fantasy and wishlist no more. I repeat, everyone understands this, especially the military. Therefore, the aviation of Israel, the United States, Turkey, Russia flies freely in Syria, within their area of ​​responsibility. Bombing everyone they consider necessary, of course, with the exception of those prohibited for this.
And handing over our citizens and writing off losses is not the first time in the history of Russia.

[Synoid]

This fits with the foreign policy of the expansion carried out by the Russian Federation within the framework of a multipolar world. The era of the Anglo-Saxons is coming to an end, and so are the Jews.

[Machito]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Quote: Gritsa

For the destruction of Khmeimim will be the destruction of the State of Israel. 200 years. Everything

What kind of fright? These are purely expeditionary forces, there is no threat to Russia. What clause of the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of June 2, 2020 No. 355 is this aggression suitable for?
Your fantasy and wishlist no more. I repeat, everyone understands this, especially the military. Therefore, the aviation of Israel, the United States, Turkey, Russia flies freely in Syria, within their area of ​​responsibility. Bombing everyone they consider necessary, of course, with the exception of those prohibited for this.
And handing over our citizens and writing off losses is not the first time in the history of Russia.

Remember the situation with Crimea. Practice has shown that Russian laws on the use of armed forces can be changed very quickly.

[Synoid]

The deliberate attack of Khmeimim is the end of Israel, again for 40 years walking in the deserts.
And so we are satisfied with the situation in Syria: we have located military bases, we are testing new weapons (including training on cats, Helavir eagles;)).

[mvg]

required for the approach of the X-102 from the Swans

Israel has something to meet and Tu-160 and X-102 ... do not write nonsense. In addition, the Jews have 18 Ierekhon-3, 3 BG each with an intercontinental range. They will sell their state and their lives dearly.
If from Khmeimim they begin to take off the Su-35S and meet the F-16 missiles, which peacefully bomb the positions of the IRGC, then Khmeimim will soon be gone. Ask the Americans about this, who somehow fell under the hot hand of the Jewish guys.

[Kuroneko]

And now I became wildly interested: what is it that Israel has than the Tu-160, given that even the Kh-101 has an official range of 5500 km, while the Kh-102 has even more range?
In short, what a wet fantasy?

[Grits]

Quote: mvg

In case of need, the Jews will roll out Khmeimim in a couple of hours. Simply by oversaturation of the air defense systems channels, false targets, we swarm UAVs and electronic warfare.

Yes they can. Just keep in mind that this is only one object! Now consider how many such objects are in Russia! Will there be enough axes?

[mvg]

Will there be enough axes?

It is necessary to destroy mines, about 130 units, it is necessary to destroy ground mobile complexes, 3-4 divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces, and 3 naval bases + 3 airfields for basing strategic aviation. Catch 2-3 Boreas and Dolphins on the database. Basically everything. The remnants of air defense and tactical nuclear weapons will be dealt with later. Not much?

[VORON538]

In general, more than an order of magnitude more than that of your Israel. At the same time, the answer is guaranteed to be enough to inflict unacceptable damage on the one who decides to make an attack. But you can continue to dream of "overcoming" :)))

[mvg]

guaranteed enough to inflict unacceptable damage on whoever decides to attack

You are confusing attack with response. Read the post intimately: If Sush'ki start taking off from Khmeimim and dropping Falcons, then Khmeimim will be destroyed very, very quickly.
At the expense of unacceptable damage, but on this now "the world" rests. But because of Israel, the 3rd World War will not start. Too many Jews are in the financial circles of the Russian Federation, Great Britain, the United States ... and money rules the world.

[VORON538]

If the Jews attack a Russian airbase, none of their lobbies in Russia will save them from a retaliatory strike. Arabs (your level) can be driven across the sands, yes, you can, then you wonder, and then you are for sho. And your lobby ends up like usually deplorable for you. There is a lot of evidence of this in history. Although, in general, my comment was not about that.

[Okolotochny]

Are you tired of moving chips on the soft sofa? Does Israel have something to "meet" with, but Russia does not? Well, give up already, take part in the lottery for the green card.

[mvg]

soft couch chips move

I move chess figures .. from time to time I take a perforator in my hands. So that the neighbors do not get bored.

[Synoid]

The head is not just for eating. Air defense and missile defense is only a shield, you are modestly silent about the sword. During the threatened period, most of the launch vehicles will either be destroyed or incapable of completing the launch task. In the best case, only 1/3 of the total potential will take off, the rest will simply not be launched in time. Therefore, it makes no sense to count the number of air defense from the number of missiles, count by carriers and a maximum of 30% salvo.

[mvg]

the threatened period most of the carriers will either be destroyed or unable to complete the launch task

Oh, wisest, tell the "head that eats" how you are going to destroy Ohio, Burke, Tiki, Nimitz ... And how many of 450 Minutemans will be destroyed at once ..
PS: Then think again. if you have something, and calmly have a snack. The head is just for eating. Try it - relaxes

[Synoid]

All the necessary means and forces will be used, unacceptable damage will be inflicted on both the aggressors and their satellites. And those who are on the other side of the sight are well aware of this, so the maximum that they can do is to spoil by setting the pan-heads, singers and the gentry.

[mvg]

used all the necessary means and forces

Something you are too belligerent for Saturday ... and did not answer the question: How to destroy the US Navy and Britain with France to stop? Where most of the US and UK and French nuclear weapons are. If the adversaries are able to deliver a preemptive strike, successful, then they will not receive unacceptable damage when responding.
PS: There were articles on VO. For where the main strategic nuclear weapons of Russia are concentrated. Not many goals.

[Synoid]

We are peaceful people, but our armored train ...;)
I do not agree with your scenario, it is too fantastic - a massive attack by the enemy, and we will sit and wait.
More real, but also from the category of "fantasy" - a counter strike, and there we have something to drown both the Navy and entire islands with coasts.

[Normann]

Only here

Analysts

never think about retaliation.

[Grits]

Quote: mvg

And 6000 Axes and ala with them is a real force, no air defense can cope.

It's almost nothing.

[ultra]

For all this, we have 4.5 thousand nuclear warheads on various carriers. I think this is more than enough.

[D16]

sea- and air-launched cruise missiles.

This is not about the S-500. This is the food of Thors, Bukov, Armor, S-300 and MiG-31. Their big cart .

[credo]

Quote: Glaz

Well, not quite so, of course they are not enough in our country and they are still expensive .. But Moscow will be covered tightly first of all to see ..
And the rest of the territory, survive as you can
P / S And nevertheless, well done our scientists of the designer .. Work in progress!

Each product has its own tasks and what is beyond the power of the S-500 will be assigned to Sarmat or other samples of military products.

[Babermetis]

Quote: credo

Quote: Glaz

Well, not quite so, of course they are not enough in our country and they are still expensive .. But Moscow will be covered tightly first of all to see ..
And the rest of the territory, survive as you can
P / S And nevertheless, well done our scientists of the designer .. Work in progress!

Each product has its own tasks and what is beyond the power of the S-500 will be assigned to Sarmat or other samples of military products.

It is absolutely correct.

[SRC P-15]

As noted by the British press, this news from Moscow caused bewilderment and concern in the West, because it was expected that these air defense systems would enter the troops no earlier than 2024.

And by 2024 the S-700 complex will be ready, Zhirinovsky has already advertised it recently ... So wait gentlemen, wait!

[bar]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

And by 2024 the S-700 complex will be ready, Zhirinovsky has already advertised it recently ...

Will destroy missiles at distant approaches even before they are launched

[SRC P-15]

Quote: bar

Will destroy missiles at distant approaches even before they are launched

Before the series launch?

[Paranoid50]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Before the series launch?

At the R&D stage.

[VORON538]

The war has not yet begun, but farts at the "Dguzi of Russia" on the forum from near and not very foreign countries burn very brightly! :))) Maybe even brighter than those missiles of their bosses can burn :)))

[Roma 1977]

Like: "The best air defense is our tanks on enemy airfields!" (with)

[Rostislav Prokopenko]

Will the S-700 shoot down at the moment the order is given to attack Russia?

[Normann]

Who, being in a sober mind, will commit suicide.

[Glaz]

Quote: credo

Quote: Glaz

Well, not quite so, of course they are not enough in our country and they are still expensive .. But Moscow will be covered tightly first of all to see ..
And the rest of the territory, survive as you can
P / S And nevertheless, well done our scientists of the designer .. Work in progress!

Each product has its own tasks and what is beyond the power of the S-500 will be assigned to Sarmat or other samples of military products.

You are right. The S-500 is not a panacea for everything and everyone .. Air defense should be echeloned by different systems. Then there will be an effect ..
In the USSR, such a system was also very effective .. But I remember the provocation of Rust, under the Gorbach-Judah .. All at once destroyed (fired, reduced, etc.) and the fall of a powerful and great country began

[credo]

Quote: Glaz

You are right. The S-500 is not a panacea for everything and everyone .. Air defense should be echeloned by different systems. Then there will be an effect ..
In the USSR, such a system was also very effective .. But I remember the provocation of Rust, under the Gorbach-Judah .. All at once destroyed (fired, reduced, etc.) and the fall of a powerful and great country began

What is now being voiced about Rust and Gorbachev's actions of those times, there is a firm opinion that the Soviet air defense system, as a system of defense of the country, had nothing to do with it - it was simply turned off, and the military was forbidden to shoot down Rust, as a result of which he landed on Red Square the military themselves were accused of all mortal sins.

[Denis812]

Rust was not shot down, not because they could not. And because no one wanted to make such a decision.
For some reason, it seems to me that now he would have been shot down without the involvement of the high command of the air defense even.
And that would be correct - flew in, does not answer - shoot down, then figure out what is there and why.
And it doesn't matter if it was Rust on a piece of plywood or a Boeing with 500 passengers. It does not matter. Flew in without asking, does not respond to fixed requests - to shoot down.

[Crash]

Quote: Denis812

For some reason, it seems to me that now he would have been shot down without the involvement of the high command of the air defense even

Thank you, laughed heartily For some reason, it seems to me that now he would have been warned from all irons on the accompanying fighters, and then they would have carried out the bombing along the course

[Denis812]

I'm glad you're funny. Bombing along the course of a fighter jet is, of course, a new word in air defense practice. Call Grekhov, tell us about your tactical innovation.
(do not confuse the case of the frigate with Rust.)

[Crash]

And I do not confuse a ship with an airplane. I see a trend. And the frigate could be drowned in the same time

without involving high command

to bring down Rust.

[Denis812]

Shooting down a fishing line with one military utyrk or a couple of hundred civilians, for which no one will fit in, is one thing.
And to destroy a ship, on which a couple of hundred British troops - is, sorry, an attack on a warship of a NATO member country.
If you don’t see the difference, then it’s very strange.

By the way, I think that after the incident with the Anglo frigate or what was sailing there, some directives were given to the places on the topic of what to do if this story repeats.
I do not know which ones, but I am sure that the orders were accurately transmitted to the field. So that they will shoot in time next time. Or vice versa - so that they would not shoot at all. And they would sprinkle the course with rose petals.

[Crash]

That is, in your opinion, knocking down Rust would be easy now. He's a snag, and on the radar it is clear that he is not aimed at some kind of tower, nor at the Kremlin, and he has no explosives. But the plane with the landing - no, no? Nice approach. To begin with, you need to learn one simple thing: a violator of the State Border - he is a violator in all environments. In the water, in the air and on the ground. And it doesn't matter how much

[Denis812]

You are not right.
A military plane that has flown into Kamchatka must be shot down immediately.
A civilian plane - you still have to try to land it first.
A ship is totally different.
You have some kind of black and white logic.
And the world is much more complicated.

[Crash]

Hallujah !!! And here we come back to your first post:

For some reason, it seems to me that now he would have been shot down without the involvement of the high command of the air defense even.
And that would be correctly - flew in, does not answer - shoot down, then figure it outwhat is there and why.
And it doesn't matter if it was Rust on a piece of plywood or a Boeing with 500 passengers... It does not matter. Flew in without asking, does not respond to fixed requests - shoot down.

That is, civilians (not related to provocations, war) can be hammered by hundreds, but the military (who are specially trained for hostilities, and who know that they can hit) can be knocked down. Is this my black and white logic? By the way, do you get the connection with the frigate?
Pysy: Cons are not mine

[dauria]

that the Soviet air defense system, as the country's defense system, had nothing to do with it - it was simply turned off,

Well, "Tsesna" and today may well fly at the level of the tops of the trees along the road, occasionally illuminating. And hardly anyone will shoot down - they will consider a lost fool - an amateur. Actually, Rust was counting only on this. In principle, this can be done with any European capital - there are plenty of flying hooligans. Shoot down - there will be more harm on the ground. But he shouldn't have let go. I would have sat in full - a lesson for others.

[Glaz]

Quote: credo

Quote: Glaz

You are right. The S-500 is not a panacea for everything and everyone .. Air defense should be echeloned by different systems. Then there will be an effect ..
In the USSR, such a system was also very effective .. But I remember the provocation of Rust, under the Gorbach-Judah .. All at once destroyed (fired, reduced, etc.) and the fall of a powerful and great country began

What is now being voiced about Rust and Gorbachev's actions of those times, there is a firm opinion that the Soviet air defense system, as a system of defense of the country, had nothing to do with it - it was simply turned off, and the military was forbidden to shoot down Rust, as a result of which he landed on Red Square the military themselves were accused of all mortal sins.

Well, I hinted at it too .. The provocation was specific, including Chernobyl ..

[Normann]

Well ... Where is the picture with Hitler?

[Ros 56]

One turntable would have passed over Rust's plane and he would have sunk into oblivion. They were afraid or betrayed, now it makes no sense to find out.

[Lord of the Sith]

Who is not enough for us, the S-400 (71 divisions of 8 launchers in each) or the S-500, which the troops do not yet have?

[Barberry25]

first of all, yes, Moscow, but the creation, I think, of air defense units for work on AWACS aircraft is not excluded

[Prisoner]

Competent attempt. Looks like learn a little.

[bayard]

Quote: Glaz

.But Moscow will be closed tightly in the first place.

There are some considerations that, after all, not only and even not so much Moscow will cover these wonderful complexes.
Why
Because Moscow (the capital of the Russian Federation) has its own very good missile defense system, it is called A-235, and it is capable of quite effectively intercepting intercontinental ballistic missiles and SD missiles. This is a very good missile defense system.
S-400 air defense missile systems are also deployed around Moscow.
These are also very good air defense systems, capable of intercepting aerodynamic targets at a distance of up to 400 km. and ballistic missiles, up to the MRBM.
In addition, right now, all the S-400 air defense systems previously supplied to the troops are being re-equipped with new multifunctional radars with AFAR.
These are very good radars capable of detecting aerodynamic and ballistic targets at a distance of at least 800 km. They are very accurate and capable of operating in standby mode (that is, for a long time), and not only in combat mode (about 40 minutes), like the radar that is now being replaced with a new one.
Do you understand what I mean?
After re-equipping all S-400 regiments with a new radar, they will acquire target detection capabilities like any S-500.
What will it give them?
What will give them this is that they will be able to intercept almost all targets that are capable of intercepting the S-500 complexes except for ICBMs and low-orbit satellites.
How do you like this growth in opportunities?
And why then keep such remarkable air defense systems as the S-500 near Moscow, if an ICBM over the Moscow region is capable of intercepting the A-235 system ... and satellites too ...?
And all other targets will be destroyed by S-400 regiments, fighter aircraft and air defense systems of other types.

And where will all or most of the S-500 complexes be distributed, you ask?
There are quite important objects in the Russian Federation that need reliable protection:
- positional areas of ICBMs,
- naval base (naval bases) of the Fleet,
- industrial centers,
- nuclear power plants (and hydroelectric power plants too),
- cities with a million people ... well, or ... the dacha of Gref or Deripaska ...

Quote: Glaz

And the rest of the territory, survive as you can

The rest of the territory, even in Soviet times, was far from all covered - the central regions of Siberia, which were not inhabited and were not of strategic value, were also not covered by anyone.
Air defense is very, very expensive.
The USSR was very rich and very competent in this area, so it created the most advanced and rich Air Defense System in the country.
This is not available for the modern Russian Federation (in terms of spending and saturation), but the quality of anti-aircraft missile systems, air defense fighters, radar control, target designation and control has seriously grown.
Just imagine that several dozen S-400 regiments have already been deployed to the troops, having received a multipurpose radar from the S-500 ... after a while, they will acquire almost equal opportunities ...
Maybe this is the value of this complex?
With his appearance, he not only added something to the arsenal of the Russian air defense, he practically gives a new quality to all heavy air defense systems of the Russian Federation.
And I love it.

[paul3390]

Are they worried that they will not be able to bomb us at will, like Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria? Nothing - these are useful and correct experiences, perhaps strong emotions will somehow direct you to reflect on their true place in the sun.

[faiver]

so they could not before, even before the S-400

[Ros 56]

Alas and ah, for hundreds of years they have been getting punched in the face, but they will not calm down. There is only one conclusion, we can calm them down, although nothing lasts forever under the Moon.

[Normann]

And once they could bomb us?

[Kerensky]

This opinion is expressed by the British newspaper Rai Al Youm, which is published in Arabic.

What a source! And after all, someone found it and provided the trolls with food ...

[Babermetis]

Quote: Kerensky

This opinion is expressed by the British newspaper Rai Al Youm, which is published in Arabic.

What a source! And after all, someone found it and provided the trolls with food ...

The very source! Intercepts everything, the omnipresent Eye!

[Ross xnumx]

British press: Russian S-500 air defense systems turn Western missiles and aircraft into useless weapons

Well, what are you? This is only closer than five hundred km ... And so fly yourself around the bush ...

[Adler77]

Nonsense. All the same, today the basis of the air defense system is the s-300, wasp, arrow. Beech, tor.
In addition, the enemy also has missiles capable of hitting radar at long distances ... and so on.
In short, nonsense, scribbling for the sake of hype. Shield and sword compete relentlessly.

[bk316]

all the same, today the basis of air defense is the s-300 systems

5 years ago - yes, but now, perhaps, already s-400 ...

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Adler77

Nonsense. All the same, today the basis of the air defense system is the s-300, wasp, arrow. Beech, tor.
In addition, the enemy also has missiles capable of hitting radar at long distances ... and so on.
In short, nonsense, scribbling for the sake of hype. Shield and sword compete relentlessly.

There was information that they are being integrated with each other. Some air defense systems complement others in their capabilities.

Those. we are not talking about a complete replacement, but about building up and expanding the capabilities of air defense.

[kytx]

Well, air defense, in principle, works in a complex. Believe it or not, the bs of cellular networks imt has a dual purpose :)

[Nikolaevich I]

Russia's S-500 Prometheus air defense systems are turning Western missiles and aircraft into useless weapons. What kind of bawling? There is also a more realistic estimate! : there are enough experts who urge not to attribute fantastic properties to the newest air defense system. At the same time, few argue with the fact that today the S-500 has no foreign competitors.

[rocket757]

British press: Russian S-500 air defense systems turn Western missiles and aircraft into useless weapons

... It's not even funny ... just RZHAKA! Well, experts, sour cabbage soup ...
After all, they also have quite adequate specialists ... they just are not in trend, they do not give out hot news.

[Sands Careers General]

Hitler kaput!

[Sands Careers General]

Oh, the fascists minus, hahahah))

[Grits]

Matko is milk, mother is eggs!

[Sands Careers General]

British press: Russian S-500 air defense systems turn Western missiles and aircraft into useless weapons

It came, finally))

[Thunderbolt]

this opinion is expressed by the British newspaper Rai Al Youm, which is published in Arabic.
Guys ........., the air defense of the country, troops and the area of ​​action, this is the addition of all the SUMS ,,, and when they are opened, they also form the SUM SUMS. Therefore, stealth is invented so that from a far corner to strike directly

[tralflot1832]

For guaranteed destruction, our algorithm launch two missiles! Where is the Congress, why be afraid! Everyone does this. And the Israeli Iron Dome, a hub on a flying water pipe with one rocket and in kings.

[faiver]

The material notes that the S-500 can intercept any missiles and aircraft in NATO armament, including the so-called stealth.

- so the Soviet S-125 did it ...

[Sands Careers General]

In Serbia, when was the S-125 F-117 shot down? Well, this is more likely a combination of a prepared system, calculation, a competent commander and a little luck))
It turned out epic))

[SRC P-15]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

In Serbia, when was the S-125 F-117 shot down? Well, this is more likely a combination of a prepared system, calculation, a competent commander and a little luck))
It turned out epic))

In the S-125 (in which I served at the station P-15 of the decimeter range), there was a station P-12 of the meter range, which perfectly saw the "stealth". And they did not shoot down more, apparently due to the use of electronic warfare by the enemy.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: faiver

- this is how the Soviet S-125 did it ..

on KR S-125 did not work (

[faiver]

Please, did not specify, I mean stealth ...

[Azerbaijan]

[fif21]

For mosquitoes other fly swatter.

[Azerbaijan]

Yeah of course....

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Azerbaycan

Yeah of course....

do you doubt? won in Syria 4 Syrian export shells with your bayraktar played 14-0 shells and Tunguska rifle complexes will cope with this junk
PS
if you think that these photos scare someone, then I will disappoint you, mostly laugh

[Roman_vh]

Imagine the beauty of oil field fires. Although there is a fly swatter for these buzzers. And if they are too annoying, then their dust

[Grits]

Has the use of Bayraktars turned your head? Will there be another bias in the direction of the UAV now? Careful, this can play a cruel joke on you ...

[Prisoner]

We are very glad to hear that. Otherwise, you are with this weapon just like the notorious monkey with a grenade.

[maiman61]

Do you want to know the real performance characteristics of our technology? Feel free to multiply the official performance characteristics by two!

[Andobor]

Definitely, tolerasts are to blame for everything, - they broke the braces for the British,
- here rockets and planes turn into crap.
- But the same great power was.

[Spkrdctr]

I must say that the S-500 system is amazing. Nothing in the west comes close to her. Russia is the world leader in the field of anti-aircraft systems. Well done!

[isv000]

Quote: Spkrdctr

Russia is the world leader in the field of anti-aircraft systems.

Glory to those who have crossed trunks on their golden collar tabs!

[isv000]

At the same time, few argue with the fact that today the S-500 has no foreign competitors.

And this is all despite the fact that having announced the S-500 to the world, Russia is keeping mum about testing the next-generation complex, which does not leave the enemy the slightest chance ...

[Roman Efremov]

[quote = credo] [quote = Glaz] Air defense, as the country's defense system, had nothing to do with it - it was simply turned off, and the military was forbidden to shoot down Rust, as a result of whose landing on Red Square the military themselves were accused of all mortal sins . [/ quote]
And the commander-in-chief Koldunov
In five minutes I cast a spell
And Minister Sokolov
Exiled to retirement in an instant
Those who are 50 or more should remember such a rhyme of the late 80s.

[Roman Efremov]

Quote: Azerbaycan

How could you, having such a miracle, not take Stepanakert? Moreover, did you manage to get 3000 killed in 2 months? We would launch a cloud of kamikaze drones - and go ahead with songs! Do you have suitable songs?

[In passing]

I laughed too Azerbaijan decided to scare Russia Tomato does not grow in glass

[huntsman650]

Surely there is a special bz))) interesting radius of damage?)))

[Roman Efremov]

[quote = mvg] [quote] If you believe the publications of Sergei Linnik, we have huge holes in the country. Only recently have they reported on the continuous coverage of the radar, but this does not mean that there are no open corridors.
. [/ Quote]
Are these holes going to bomb the Tomahawks? Or is it still important to attack objects covered by a radar field and air defense systems?

[LORD-72]

What kind of war can there be between a colony and a mother country ?!
That's right - liberating. And what, in the Kremlin for 29 years, suddenly there were people who would liberate Russia at least ?!

[tolmachiev51]

This is not a "newbie" with a dead cat !!! Scratch "turnips" comrades shallow "and the rest of the" tobacco ".

[Castro Ruiz]

The S-500 is not against all missiles and aircraft, but against ballistic and hypersonic ones. It is part of the well-known missile defense system.
In principle, an analogue of THAAD, but better.

[stone]

British press ?!

[Valdaev]

This opinion is expressed by the British newspaper Rai Al Youm, which is published in Arabic.

[zetta55]

A moment of imagination: I imagined that from a purely defensive doctrine, our guys ... as an evolutionary development ..., will move on to the thesis "attack as a proactive defense." Those. will begin to build the logistics of the pre-emptive strike doctrine. They will begin to declare this aloud. Assign potential enemies, circle specific targets with red circles. To declare this through the lips of Zakharova. So that all the "partners", slightly dumbfounded, sat down, knock them off their arrogance, so to speak. To begin with, to designate a democratic system - demonic)). For - democracy is the arbitrariness of freedom without responsibility and obligations. Simultaneously building up the strike potential. PU air defense is - you give the unification with shock rackets.

[Vasyok]

Again we bend our fingers, dissolve snot bubbles ...
But in fact, NONE of the Russian air defense systems has the ability to intercept kinetic. And without it it is GUARANTEED to destroy the target is IMPOSSIBLE !!!