The Ministry of Defense will change the regulations on the use of aviation weapons against ships violating the state border

The Ministry of Defense will change the rules of procedure of the Russian aviation against intruder ships. The issue is currently under consideration by the Navy and the Aerospace Forces.

The military department intends to change the regulations on the use of weapons against ships and vessels of foreign states that violate the Russian state border. As they write "News" citing the military, the incident with the British destroyer off the coast of Crimea could speed up the adoption of the final version.

According to available data, the issue of using lighter weapons in warning firing is being considered in order to reduce the likelihood of a serious military conflict. As one of the options, it is proposed to abandon the use of aerial bombs, replacing them with unguided aerial missiles. Thus, the regulations will change the set of weapons that aviation can use for warning fire.

The Ministry of Defense emphasizes that incidents like the one that occurred on June 23 near Crimea will only grow, so it is necessary to be ready to adequately respond to them. The British destroyer did not react in any way to the warning shots of the border patrol ship, but four OFAB-250 bombs placed in the direction of the ship forced it to turn.

However, the use of aerial bombs can cause unintentional damage, so it is necessary to choose the same effective weaponthat will clearly show the intention to stop the offender, but will not harm him. The decision remains with the military.

Comments

[pyagomail.com]

The question is, of course, an interesting one. On the one hand, one should not be like psychopaths who get into a fight for any reason, on the other hand: 1. "warning firing of lighter weapons" - does not understand; 2. unguided rockets - does not understand; 3. what's next?

[rocket757]

"unguided torpedo" .... as an option rolls or not?

[AUL]

it is necessary to choose an equally effective weapon that clearly shows intent to stop the intruderbut at the same time will not harm him.

As it is illogical, IMHO!

[rocket757]

Big politics, however .... not for "average minds"!
We, as they believe, are such ...
In short, "there is no money or something else, but we will be offered to hold on" ???

[Alex777]

Victor!
Who of those who shout - you need to answer harder, are ready to go to war?
It is necessary to suppress violation of the border. But carefully.
Kedmi, with all due respect, is an Israeli citizen.
Israel drowns / bombs whoever it wants, not because it is so cool, but because the United States is behind its back.
In our case, the States are behind Britain's back.
The provocation took place the day after the statement by Merkel and Macron about the need for an EU-Russia summit.
Here Tabaki rushed to spoil the relationship. Not earlier, not later.
We need to strengthen the fleet in every possible way.
This is the best defense against provocations.
But actually drowning the violator with the victims is another process of the MH17 type.

[rocket757]

Quote: Alex777

Who is one of those who shouts - you need to answer harder, is ready to go to war

As a rule, NOBODY ....
Those who served in the army have a peculiar, wary attitude to the "circus", as a rule ...
And those who have heard a very peculiar "whistle" of pieces of metal flying over their heads ... to such a circus is sharply negative ... with rare exceptions, which are not quite healthy, mentally, people
Do not bring to extreme ... all this remains until the "first shot", in our direction.

[Alex777]

Now I completely agree with you.

[Shurik70]

It is clear that if the offender does not turn away, he must be expelled by force.
And for this, during the times of the USSR, side ram ships.
Here if that doesn't help either, then drown (and then take all measures to save the crew, to figure out who is to blame very much later)
But BEFORE this, it is necessary to warn. And preferably at the lowest cost for us. So first the first warning is on the radio. The second is firing a large-caliber machine gun at the course. But thirdly, if missiles are cheaper than bombs, then they must be used.

[Alex777]

Peaceful passage of warships through therweds is provided for by international law.
All our ships, passing through the English Channel, pass through the therweds of either Britain or France.
What the Britons violated was the declared forbidden "exercise zone".

[BastaKarapuzik And]

Put a plus, but a peaceful passage must be peaceful.
That is, its sole purpose should be to move from point to point.
All weapons must be knocked out and covered. Weapon locators do not function.
He should not pursue the goals of propaganda, intelligence, etc.
This is spelled out in the laws.
Defender's apparently peaceful passage was not by definition.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Alex777

Peaceful passage of warships through therweds is provided for by international law.
All our ships, passing through the English Channel, pass through the therweds of either Britain or France.

Where it is possible to bypass, albeit making a detour of a dozen extra miles, the terweds bypass. The English Channel is not just tervody, it is a strait. It is a long way to go around it. And to Odessa, bypassing the Crimea, it is easy to get from the Bosphorus.

[Alex777]

All weapons must be knocked out and covered. Weapon locators do not function.

Here you are absolutely right.
Moreover, there is an incomprehensible rumor that ZhDzhonson planned so, but allegedly someone brought the destroyer on alert.
It'll be clearer soon, I think ...

[ck9999999]

Consent, to defend the homeland a little bit ...

[For example]

The destroyer did not react in any way to the warning shots of the border patrol ship, but four OFAB-250 bombs placed in the direction of the ship forced it to turn.

the issue of using lighter weapons in warning firing is considered in order to reduce the likelihood of a serious military conflict.

What is the essence of the changes?

If the captain of the destroyer put a bolt on the warning fire, how will he (the captain of the intruder's ship) react to firing with a smaller caliber?

Katz offers to surrender?

ps
Powers was shot down and the flights stopped.

[For example]

As I understand it, they will ram again.

Then you should order a fleet of rams. Without weapons, so that no one would dare to shoot at the enemy.
Recruit the creatures converted into women (those who refused to be a man).

The borders will be locked. The enemy, under the onslaught of tolerance, will go home.

Yesterday, supporters of sea rams threw me minuses, proving the unsurpassed power of this method of fighting the enemy.
Congratulations, your point of view on the protection of the Motherland has won.

Beat the swords into plowshares.

[alexan1210]

Beat swords for anal

[Filxnumx]

Well, how do you live with a reforged sword? Or maybe "in"?

[Vasya_20]

"Katz offers to give up?"

It is precisely these Kremlin strategists and their "respected pagtnegs" that they propose to do, but gradually and step by step, so as not to cause even greater indignation of the people about the surrender of our national interests.
Do you think in 1988 the genius Gaidai shot his last film with this immortal slogan in vain? I think everyone saw perfectly well, and even now they are still observing the consequences of that "surrender" to the conditional katsam !!!

[Roman070280]

1992/XNUMX/XNUMX year ...

[Alex777]

1992/XNUMX/XNUMX year ...

Who cares if the world has changed over the past 20 years?
A man of thought from the 90s is still driving.

[ck9999999]

The world has not changed, from the word at all. There are still tolerasts that will bend and fall, so that the enemy can put a can of port on their backs.

[Vasya_20]

But what difference does it make in what year Gaidai made his film, if the fact of the capture of our country by the Zionist transnational kagal, in all its manifestations in the form of various supranational structures, remains indisputable and unchanged to this day! Or are they all such dull-witted, piously believing and believing that this is not so? And with the release date of "On Deribassovskaya ..." on the screens, I certainly got excited, without looking or clarifying on the Internet, but this absolutely does not change those facts and obvious things that only very narrow-minded people do not pay attention to or try to pretend that they don't exist.

[Alex777]

I got excited, of course, without looking or specifying

All newbies do this.
The main thing is to make the right conclusions for the future.
And you continue to get excited:

the fact of the seizure of our country by the Zionist transnational kagal, in all its manifestations in the form of various supranational structures, remains indisputable and unchanged to this day!

This was the case in the 90s. Everything is changing now. How and where - I know firsthand.
Good luck to you.

[Vasya_20]

Thank you, good luck to you too and all the best!

[Alex777]

Powers was shot down and the flights stopped.

You have written a lot.
I will answer this message.
There is an obvious difference for everyone between Powers, Crimea, and many of the other cases cited.
This difference is in "internationally" recognized boundaries.
Therefore, it was near the Crimea that the Britons were instructed to pull our nerves.
Biden strongly wants to get out of the list of "unfriendly countries" as soon as possible. And we send the "little brother". He keeps on the sidelines himself.
And the fact that Britain got a good chance to get on this list does not interest him.
Our task is to accumulate strength and respond proportionally to the threat.
This is not a weak position. Quite normal.
I agree with Khrych. There was no particular threat. So they drove him according to the instructions.
If I had my will, I would build 2-3 ships of a decent displacement (~ 6000-7000 tons) with a solid hull and a speed of 33+ knots.
This provocation with the passes would have ended forever. IMHO.
The stronger our fleet is, the less chances such provocations will have.

[mark1]

Quote: Alex777

The stronger our fleet is, the less chances such provocations will have.

This is true, but not entirely - the more resolutely and tougher we defend our borders by all available means, "the less chances there will be for such provocations."

[Alex777]

the more resolutely and tougher we defend our borders by all available means "the less chances there will be for such provocations"

This is a simplified view of things.
Let me explain why:
1) you always need to understand what purpose the violator is pursuing,
2) you always need to understand what kind of reaction awaits us in order not to fall into a prepared trap,
3) you always need to understand the consequences of your actions,
4) you never need to reveal all your capabilities,
5) never underestimate the enemy.
The combination of the listed data allows you to make the right decision.
My personal opinion is that everything went as it was beneficial to us.
Bleating about free passage, Johnson doesn't want to look so stupid anymore.
Not a single one of our ships was dented.

[mark1]

Quote: Alex777

This is a simplified view of things.

And your 5 points do not contradict the main one - to react decisively and as hard as possible to the facts of violation of the State border of the Russian Federation.

Quote: Alex777

everything went as it was beneficial to us.
Bleating about free passage, Johnson doesn't want to look so stupid anymore.
Not one of our ships was dented

It would be beneficial for us if we presented intelligible video materials of how a British destroyer escapes having received 4 OFAB under the stem (by the way - why is OFOB and not FAB or deep ones? What would be the rationale for putting them as far away from the ship as possible?)
Our crumpled ships should not be - there must be a crumpled British destroyer. Then Johnson would really be in the stupidest position, and now he is on ... the waterline

[abrakadabre]

by the way - why is the OFOB and not the FAB or the deep ones?

For such purposes - the submission of an unambiguous and clearly visible visual signal, it is possible to bang with ODAB. So that even those with the worst eyesight and hearing will get the message.

[ck9999999]

In Riga, the pilots slapped Sablina right under the stern - they could.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I deeply respect our border guards - they guard our peace and the peace of our children! But after watching the video, how our officer "persuades" the British not to violate the border, he was a little disappointed .... No words ... I don't want to scream and throw tantrums like a capricious lady. But you can't do that. I apologize, but dear generals from the frontier service, you will decide, either "the border is locked," or go along with your subordinates, to the waiters, to "persuade" customers.

[Rome]

It is necessary to track the foe and realizing that he can violate the border, he must be met with a ship of comparable displacement or fly over even before entering the territorial waters with bombs on board! then the radio warnings will sound convincing and all such a circus must be immediately broadcast to the Internet, so that you can immediately see who is deaf
And so the border guard, in theory, can only scratch the EM, he does not pose a threat, so I ignore him. Of their clashes, apart from a scandal, there will be nothing, but the British themselves were looking for a scandal.
The Americans were on boats that even a machine-gun burst would not survive, we would have detained such violators.

[BABAY22]

In our case, the States are behind Britain's back.

Again old songs about the main thing, if only there was no war ... As you know, with such a choice we get both shame and war.
So Uncle Sam is behind the Brit? And who is behind these guys from Iran, who arrested two ships of the US Navy?

After the incident started TMV, cleaned out Iran? Not. It's just that everyone understands that this is not an act of aggression, but the defense of one's own territory. Have every right (if the Faberge is strong).
We have the same situation.
And in 1987 Iraq attacked the US Navy frigate "Stark", launching 2 anti-ship missiles at it, such as by mistake, 37 killed. And nothing. There is no need to swim near foreign shores ... we would sit at home, we would be safe.
Something like that.

[Khakas]

sorry for one "+" you can put

[cdmax]

And what, Crimea has already been recognized as Russian? No, then why such loud exclamations if their Sberbank and mobile operators Crimea do not recognize as their own? The Russian Federation wants to spit on international agreements (and when it is profitable, to run to the London, Stockholm courts), but why does it think that the world will spit on them the same way? We read the 1982 Maritime Convention and what it says about the free passage of ships, and the fact that the "Briton" passed exactly is not disputed by either side.

[El Chuvachino]

Since when did banks and mobile operators determine the sovereignty of territories? What the hell are you talking about?

[Alex777]

Since when did banks and mobile operators determine the sovereignty of territories? What the hell are you talking about?

Are you asking Gref?

[Elephant]

And who will strengthen the fleet if there has been no progress in our economy for many years and scientific personnel are flowing abroad?

[George 2]

Who of those who shout - you need to answer harder, are ready to go to war?

No one is ready to go to war, but if it happens, everyone will go. Because we have one homeland, there will be no other. And violators must be beaten carefully, but hard. Crossing the maritime state border by a military ship without the appropriate permission is already an act of aggression, with all that it implies.

[barclay]

Surprisingly, it seems that our military leadership was more afraid of the consequences of this incident than the British. And after that, it decided to change the regulations for influencing the violating ships.
Apparently throwing bombs nearby is dangerous - you can damage the violator and get sanctions. And if you throw it further (like this time), no one will see them.

[reserve]

After the Ukrainians, they change everything, but they will not change. How the daylight saving time was still changing

[barclay]

After all the changes in the regulations, our coast guard ships will honor the escort of such violators along the border. Only now it will be necessary to keep up with them. The maximum speed of this destroyer is over 30 knots, our ships of project 22460, which met the British at 28 knots.

[Thompson]

Who is talking about what. But one thing is right -
Really it is not for your mind

[barclay]

The most effective and safest thing is to shout into a megaphone: "guys, let's live together."

[Starover_Z]

Quote: barclay

The most effective and safest thing is to shout into a megaphone: "guys, let's live together."

A plastic bomb with spray paint in bright red or pink!
And containing metal dust!
So that the entire superstructure in front shines like a Christmas tree!
Their reaction to such a warning would be interesting!

[Vasya_20]

"How illogical it is, IMHO!"

Why is it not logical? It just very much fits into the logic of the Kremlin and their "rogue pagtnegs", in the spirit of their eternal "two steps to the left, two steps to the right, a step forward and two back"!

[Pandiurin]

Quote from AUL

it is necessary to choose an equally effective weapon that clearly shows intent to stop the intruderbut at the same time will not harm him.

As it is illogical, IMHO!

It's simple, if a warning fire should not cause material damage, it should be noticeable to the offender and the result should be predictable, i.e. such that they did not want to hit, but it somehow hit the target should not be.

Bombing along the course is no longer predictable, if you put gifts on the course, if it is close, then you can get it if it is far not noticeable and unconvincing. Guided missiles across the course are just what you need for warning fire. Again, this can easily be done by a helicopter, again, a picture for a photo report from a helicopter will turn out better)

And what happens next at the next stage is another story.

[antivirus]

Bomb immediately (from the first call) into the deck BUT WITH BIRCH WOOD.

HERE IS THE BEST OPTION. otherwise, Alisher Usmanov will be kicked out of London. and Chelsea will be confiscated from Roma. And Crimea is going through the alleged invasion.
Johnson only looks like a clown. ours are afraid of him.

[pavel papuchenko]

Better barrels of paint. (the content of the barrels may vary)

[alex neym_2]

Here I agree 100%! Yes, even with a luminous, indelible paint, so that in the capital of the country the violator could be seen! Submarines are tagged with depth charges ...

[NDR-791]

Quote: antivirus

Bomb immediately (from the first call) into the deck BUT WITH BIRCH WOOD.

Exactly !!! Their same English method !!! A real case of WWII: the Germans were building a false airfield, the British flew in and dropped a wooden bomb

[Podvodnik]

Better barrels of paint

It's a pity to transfer paint. I suggest the usual contents of the cesspool. Better yet, sprinkle from the WAP.
There are propaganda shells! Can be used as a deterrent, with a smell.

[volodimer]

Here! I thought about the same. So that you can see and smell the appropriate.

[hagen]

Quote: rocket757

"unguided torpedo" .... as an option rolls or not?

You would immediately offer to "cover" London. Royal Navy, which means - the old lady in the share ...

[rocket757]

So the torpedo is NOT CONTROLLED! Fig knows where to take her!
And then to declare, SHE went out for a walk ... here she is such "independent".

[hrych]

Quote: rocket757

"unguided torpedo"

What for? Did this demarche threaten Russia with something? Yes, absolutely nothing. This is a theater and there is no need to waste emotions. The Brits themselves knew that nothing threatened us or them. He entered the water on a tangential basis, and in fact the very use of the warning fire was excessive. Having entered the tervod, he rushed straight from the tervod. On the contrary, such a reaction was not expected from us.

Quote: pyagomail.ru

what's next?

Nothing. He came out of the tervod. These are demonstrative actions of the British women for the moral support of Ukraine, the fate of which has already been decided in Geneva and everyone understands this. The British themselves raise their media status and no more. In general - stupid stupidity. And the reality is that no matter what this vessel does there, the largest oil and gas company in the world, the British-Dutch Royal Dutch Shell, is an investor in Nord Stream 2. This Shell, but Royal, is from the royal word and actually belongs to two royal families, which the owners of these sailors. In words, Britain supports the Krajina, right up to the flotation, but in fact it helps to build the SP-2 and is preparing to receive dividends.

[rocket757]

Quote: hrych

What for? Did this demarche threaten Russia with something?

Well, so we are not threatening their islands ...
Is this an incident? Their, "accidental" frigate, met with our "accidental" torpedo .... there were two accidental loneliness ... it happens! It happens sometimes.
Okay, Friday today, the advance was given and ... good mood!
There is no mood for a serious mood ... it also happens.

[hrych]

This is a game with certain rules and frameworks. If we talk about the military component, then on the contrary, a rather powerful warship is stupidly substituted. But the people of Krai are delighted, the press has headlines. The British are proud and do not recognize the Russian Crimea, although for some reason they proudly escaped from the terrorists and are investing in SP-2

[For example]

Quote: hrych

What for? Did this demarche threaten Russia with something? Yes, absolutely nothing.

Powers threatening something? Absolutely nothing. I flew and photographed Russian beauties!
Right, Hrych?

And the evil Russians shot him down. They have appropriated all of Russia for themselves and do not let kind people admire the beauty. Right, Hrych?

The destroyer approached the Crimea without threatening Russia at all. I just scanned the whole Crimea through and through. Like Powers, he admired the Russian beauties.

No one threatens Russia, Khrych.
It's just that people also want to join Russian beauties and natural gifts.

Right, Hrych?

[hrych]

A strange stream of consciousness. How did a destroyer scan the entire Crimea straight through? Probably with the help of neutrino detectors. First, it was unknown what was flying there and with what. It is a moving dot on the locator screen and does not have Powers Photographer written on it. And they shot him down over the Urals. Compare the degree of violation? The destroyer could move several miles, leaving the 12-mile zone, anchor and calmly, legally, scan everything right through with its super radars No, after all, you have to go tangentially in a hurry under the bombs. What is the logic?

[For example]

Quote: hrych

A strange stream of consciousness. How did a destroyer scan the entire Crimea straight through?

Hrych, you ask at your leisure what kind of ship it is.
What can he do.
For what it was created.

Think about what the military (NATO) is for such ship maneuvers.

I will emphasize especially for you - the MILITARY, not the politicians, but the military.


And then write about consciousness ...

[cdmax]

And let's find out together, and why did mankind come up with a class of destroyers? Suggest or take an interest yourself? There could be no scanning, since it is prohibited by the Convention and no matter what kind of terrorist routes (Russian or Ukrainian) the disputed territories are. No one does reconnaissance in this way for the obvious reason that there is little efficiency. To do this, use reconnaissance aircraft with special. intelligence and monitoring complexes.

[hrych]

Quote: For example

What was created for

Obviously, do not go under the coastal complexes.

Quote: For example

Think about what the military (NATO) is for such ship maneuvers.

To excite the public. Here you, for example, got excited successfully.

[Elisarius]

A Venezuelan frigate enters US waters despite several warnings from the Coast Guard. Question. ------ how many minutes will he live?

[hrych]

Not quite a frigate, but the ships of the drug cortels are quite coming in with tons of dope. There are even submarines of drug cartels and they successfully enter the United States.

[hagen]

Quote: hrych

Did this demarche threaten Russia with something? Yes, absolutely nothing. This is a theater and there is no need to waste emotions.

Maybe not everyone is up to date, but the NATO RC-135 monitored the whole process and recorded all our electronic activity. Cape Fiolent is Sevastopol, the base of our Black Sea Fleet. I think there is no need to explain the essence of the provocation carried out by the British Navy. Therefore, I think that a torpedo in the side is clearly an excess of protection measures, but electronic suppression, preferably without the possibility of recovery, would be appropriate. So this is not a theater at all, but an attempt to open the security system of the Black Sea Fleet base.

[hrych]

So stand in front of the cape and do not go into the tervods, they would also irradiate it, fly around, etc.

[KKND]

Quote: hrych

What for? Did this demarche threaten Russia with something? Yes, absolutely nothing.

Hey. Hrych, it turns out that our territorial waters are a courtyard through which all and sundry can "walk". I am waiting for you at the forum, in the future, if such or even more impudent provocations of other countries against the Russian Federation continue. It will be interesting what you will write then. Maybe I'll remember these posts then ...

[hrych]

First, they opened fire ... warning. Perhaps this should have an effect on the future. Second, Britain needs something. Prior to that, they announced a hypothetical meeting between Putin and Johnson, with the initiative of the latter. One problem ... not by status. Putin's equal ... the Queen, and Booris Mishustin in status, you can Mitka Medvedev.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: hrych

the very use of the warning fire was redundant

So the intruder did not react to the demands of the Coast Guard and the Navy, to leave the territorial waters of the Russian Federation ... was it necessary not to react? they say we warned, he refused to comply with the requirements - is it okay?

[hrych]

He walked tangentially, i.e. having entered the tervod ... moved from the tervod Those. and so came out of them. They shook bombs defiantly. I don’t think the British sailors liked it. I even think that a number of filibusters about ... dirty the sailor

[Zhenya Khazarsky]

the largest oil and gas company in the world, the British-Dutch Royal Dutch Shell

How is it? Did Saudi Aramco know what they got around to? So, I think one of the largest, but not the largest.

All the best!

[hrych]

Saudi Aramco is the largest oil company in oil production, but Royal Dutch Shell, the largest oilgas company. Feel the difference? Regarding SP-2, we are talking about gas, not oil.

[Yrec]

I think that it is necessary to develop and organize the release of "warning" ammunition. For example, plastic shells with paint. He threw such a projectile into the bochin "partner" and it is immediately clear whether warning fire was opened or not. At the same time, the practice of artillery shooting at a real target.

[Alex777]

You shoot with plastic ones, and they will get scared and stupidly look real.
So, what is next?

[Yrec]

They will be scared when they have already arrived. It is we who are frightened when we conduct warning fire almost in the other direction, judging by the footage. And the bombs were dropped out of sight altogether. You need to piss less: "What if they answer us ??? !!!"

[Alex777]

1. Many experts consider British destroyers to be the best air defense / missile defense ships in the world.
2. If we get involved, then we should not arrange a sports competition (who will win?), But punish. Strictly.
For this, it is useful to have an overwhelming advantage of forces and means (which is not yet visible) precisely for punishment.
Of course, we can drown them, but this is not a punishment, but a war.
Idea: let's get in, and then we'll see what happens - harmful. IMHO.

[Andrey Grad]

The eccentric man does not want to get involved in the war, but the war is already half lost, the western Russian lands have been taken away for 30 years already and the genocide of 30 million Russians in the western lands has been carried out, but he does not, we do not succumb to provocations.

[Alex777]

What's so strange about someone not wanting a war?
Are you personally eager to fight?

[Podvodnik]

unguided torpedo ".... as an option rolls or not?

Steam and gas only. So that the trail can be seen. It is possible with a series of signal cartridges. They will not change the course, they themselves are to blame ...

[rocket757]

It is possible and so ... who said that such a "surprise" should be hidden in full? You can publicly / demonstratively "warn".

[NIKN]

Quote: Podvodnik

Steam and gas only. So that the trail can be seen. It is possible with a series of signal cartridges.

And like a fan of 3 :)) But seriously, the shells with remote detonation, not lethal, it would be good if 10 or 20 meters in front of the wheelhouse would work ... maybe it’s not lethal to use something like a projectile to create an EMP, then it will come in handy for real purposes, but such violators will then tinker with their equipment. And if it is more powerful to create an EMP, then the restoration may not be profitable.

[aleks26]

Squall? Only they remained uncontrollable. With a special charge.

[blackcat]

If only homing
: we are not guilty, she sighted itself

[Finches]

"Cut to hell without waiting for peritonitis!"

[rocket757]

To make it "hurt" .. then it will be easier!
There is such an opinion, but you will not do it, you will not know.

[keeper03]

What regulations can there be if the enemy violates the state border! ?? Are you not enough of those that are available ?!
And the weapon must be used according to the circumstances, and not according to the regulations!

[Peak]

Quote: pyagomail.ru

The question is, of course, interesting.

In all

But without delving into deeply political aspects, let us realize that the smoky plume of launching the NURS along the course of the intruder ship, or across it, is, in visual and psychological terms, more effective than bombing by FABs.

Clearer and more informative ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: PiK

smoke plume of NURS launch at the rate

Applied military psychology you understand!

[Peak]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Applied military psychology you understand!

so what ?

Theory embodied in practice...

[Aleks tv]

Quote: pyagomail.ru

The question is, of course, an interesting one. On the one hand, one should not be like psychopaths who get into a fight for any reason, on the other hand: 1. "warning firing of lighter weapons" - does not understand; 2. unguided rockets - does not understand; 3. what's next?

Hello.

4. Creating a situation that the offender will destroy himself if he continues to move in the same direction... And he should be aware of this.

There are various options.
For example: obstruction light on the course of movement without changing coordinates.
Let him climb, dear, shoot everything on video.

Here the question will be who has the present Faberge.
Everything is as usual with a possible clash.

[Anachoret]

strange rhetoric "warn and do not harm")
the brits went to deliberate provocation, reactions to change course - zero)
about Kedmi and Israel, behind which we have already heard behind the United States)
who is behind Iran? they also have eggs to arrest border violators)

[Alex777]

they also have eggs to arrest border violators)

Are you seriously putting Iran as an example of Russia?

[Achilles]

Quote: pyagomail.ru

The question is, of course, an interesting one. On the one hand, one should not be like psychopaths who get into a fight for any reason, on the other hand: 1. "warning firing of lighter weapons" - does not understand; 2. unguided rockets - does not understand; 3. what's next?

In general, whoever violates the state border should be detained, and not expelled, I personally think it is necessary to detain the violator, from the beginning on the radio tell them to slow down and stop, then if it does not come, fire warning shots, if this did not help, well then beat the screws and force the ship to stop, and then tow it to the port for interrogation. If someone thinks that the ship will respond to aggression, then I will immediately say, not who does not want to die, especially because of their provocation and I will immediately say that there would not be any war because of this, the Britons are well aware that in the event which, such a state as Great Britain will no longer exist, at all. After such actions, many will think 100 times before violating our border.

[Alex777]

In general, whoever violates the state border should be detained, not expelled

Civil ships - yes, they are detained, and warships - are expelled.
Under international law, the status of one and the other is very different.
An attack (an attempt to delay) on a warship is a pretext for war.

[yehat2]

Quote: pyagomail.ru

3. what's next?

I wonder why we don't practice electromagnetic discharges?
NATO ships are all very vulnerable to such an impact - they are guaranteed to stop.
arm the patrols and then let them try to misbehave.
When every toilet on their ship fails, the desire to do something aggressive will greatly diminish.

[iouris]

Quote: pyagomail.ru

2. unguided rockets - does not understand; 3. what's next?

Further - defeat, demoralization, retreat, Turkish ships (NATO) along the Volga.

[mknig]

And then all navigation is turned off and towing to the nearest border port begins ...

[storm]

Put them in the sump next to the Ukrainian half-rotten ships ...

[65 Centurion]

4. Kiss your ass!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: pyagomail.ru

you should not be like psychopaths who get into fights for any reason

Sometimes they simply do not understand otherwise. It is often easier to be considered a "mad dog" that is best avoided. Strength is respected sincerely than endurance, because through bathhurt it reaches faster than through the brain.

[sso-xnumx]

It's time to release the HEAVY COMBINE on the field !!!

[Bashibuzuk1]

An ordinary manifestation of Gorbachevism, but tenacious "liberal-democratic"

[abrakadabre]

On the one hand, one should not be like psychopaths who get into a fight for any reason, on the other hand: 1. "warning firing of lighter weapons" - does not understand; 2. unguided rockets - does not understand; 3. what's next?

To understand the first time, it is enough, after a 1-2-fold verbal warning, to change the cannon warning salvo to a 30-second countdown to launch the anti-ship missile system on air. With a combat alarm signal on board. If this does not work out, then launch 2 anti-ship missiles to kill with a pause of 30 seconds. For the first one, arrange a self-detonation at a minimum distance of 200-300 meters from the side of the intruder.

[1goose3]

And then immobilize, arrest. Destroy if resisted.

[Ingvar 72]

I wonder how the British would have reacted if our destroyer had entered their territorial waters? Also discussed the regulations on the use of weapons in the House of Lords?

[Pilot]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Also discussed the regulations on the use of weapons in the House of Lords?

Yes, only after discussing the rules for the export of lords and lords from Russia and the sale of their Russian real estate and the withdrawal of capital)) .
Jokes as a joke, but it seems to me that ,, our ,, management of the lard gave on slippers spoiling the air - we are talking about in their territorial waters !!!!

According to available data, the issue of using lighter weapons in warning firing is being considered in order to reduce the likelihood of a serious military conflict.

[Kama74]

Perhaps we would have discussed ..
The main problem here is that these are their waters ..
And the waters around the Crimea, you know yourself .. Opinions differ on this issue .. And your opinion that they are ours is not shared by almost the whole world

[Alex_1973]

Kama74 (Kama74)
Perhaps we would have discussed ..
The main problem here is that these are their waters ..
And the waters around the Crimea, you know yourself .. Opinions differ on this issue .. And your opinion that they are ours is not shared by almost the whole world

Do we care what and who thinks about our territories? The Yapi consider the Kurils as their own, the Westerners have a lot of questions for Kaliningrad, and now what?
And, by the way, not the whole world recognizes the Falklands either, however, it is deeply knee-deep.

[Kama74]

By the way, I haven’t heard about the Westerners' questions about Kaliningrad.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Alex_1973

And, by the way, not the whole world recognizes the Falklands either, however, it is deeply knee-deep.

As well as Gibraltar.
But the problem is that not all Russian companies, including state-owned ones, recognize Crimea as Russian.
Maybe that's why the Britons are on the rise, having in London the collateral property of "our" powers that be?

[Kama74]

You understand nothing ..

[Peak]

Quote: Kama74

The main problem here is that these are their waters ..
And the waters around the Crimea, you know yourself .. Opinions differ on this matter ..

The main thing is for you to understand that Crimea is ours, this is Russia.

Do you understand?

[Kama74]

The Germans at one time also understood that the Sudetenland was theirs, Germany.

[Peak]

Quote: Kama74

The Germans at one time also understood that the Sudetenland was theirs, Germany.

Well, well, well... From now on more details please

Have you now equated us with Nazi Germany?

Or are you just unclear, unsuccessfully expressed, and because of this I misunderstood you?

[Kama74]

Do not pretend here to be a knight of a cloak and a dagger))
I just showed an example of how peoples in the past were deceived about where and whose

[Peak]

Quote: Kama74

I just showed an example of how peoples in the past were deceived about where and whose

But we are not deceived in understanding who owns the peninsula, or do you not think so?

And do not sign for the peoples, HISTORY will do it for them, account to yourself - Whose are you, and what you yourself stand for ...

[Kama74]

<<< But we are not deceived in understanding who owns the peninsula, or do you not think so? >>>
Well, I gave you an example of how someone thought that he was not deceived either ..
Regarding the second question, I am always in favor of thinking about the consequences before doing something .. So it suits you?

[Peak]

Quote: Kama74

Well, I gave you an example of how someone thought that he was not deceived either ..
Regarding the second question, I am always in favor of thinking about the consequences before doing something ..So arrange?

No, it will not work.
Slippery you , in an unpleasant slime ...

[Roman070280]

But in my opinion, he just wrote everything right ..
You need to think ..

[Roman070280]

But we are not deceived in understanding who owns the peninsula.

They also said about the Baltic States .. that it is Soviet ..

report to yourself - Whose are you, and what you stand for ...

As I understand it, the person above wrote absolutely not about this ..

[yehat2]

Quote: Kama74

how peoples were deceived in the past about where and whose

and there is no deception - the borders in Europe were few where were stable. Just remember how the owners changed on the Franco-German border. In addition, Germany had recently experienced unification, like Czechoslovakia, and the status of many territories was relatively fresh. Some dances around Danzig cost what or the occupation of a part of Czechoslovakia by Poland.
In general, it was difficult to find 2 countries without mutual territorial claims.
Unless the Vatican did not have them, and that should be checked.

[Kama74]

You are just simply collecting everything in a heap for some unknown reason ..
And then say the unification of Germany or the Division of Czechoslovakia if all this was done without the objections of the parties involved ..

[yehat2]

Quote: Kama74

everything was done without any objections from the parties involved

well, how without objection? constantly around the disputed territories some kind of fuss
For example, a few years ago, on the border of Ossetia and Georgia, there was a village, which was equally inhabited by 2 nationalities. We lived peacefully until the question was posed - whose are you?
And rushed.

[Kama74]

I say everything in a bunch .. Jump from the Falklands to Europe from Europe to Georgia.

[yehat2]

the Falklands was a simple scam. They brought the voters and voted.
Shinjiang was annexed by China in the same way. This is not a territorial issue at all, this is a brazen self-seizure.

[Kama74]

Do you have any documents available?

[Kama74]

*** On April 3, the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 502, in which it demanded the withdrawal of Argentine forces from the islands. The resolution received 10 votes in favor and 1 vote against (Panama), 4 countries abstained (including the USSR and China, permanent members of the Security Council with veto rights). ***
This is what I found ... Notice even the USSR did not oppose this resolution then ...
Which seems to indicate that these islands are British

[yehat2]

why should the USSR get involved in this division?

[Kama74]

And you zayeei to tie the Falklands pvtaetes into the history of the Crimea

[yehat2]

it is you trying to bind some nonsense, it was generally about something else.

[abrakadabre]

Unless the Vatican did not have them, and that should be checked.

This is the Vatican that does not have ?! Just silent in a rag. Because: "The Vatican? How many divisions does it have?" (c) I.V. Stalin

[loki565]

Just like the Falkland Islands, the only question is the decision to use force.

[Kama74]

Who in the world recognizes the Falklands as Argentine?

[Alex_1973]

Kama74 (Kama74)
Who in the world recognizes the Falklands as Argentine?

You won't believe it, Argentina recognizes! It's just that Argentina is not Russia and cannot defend its interests.

[Kama74]

Now, if there was such a pdaneta, Argentina ... then its non-recognition would be a decisive factor ..
But there are no planets Argkntin and Russia ... and we and they live on a planet where there are many states, relations between which are determined by international agreements ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Kama74

many states relations between which are determined by international agreements ...

Where did they, svezheregov, crawl out at the weekend?
She-bo, that no organism, it is alternatively gifted.

[Roman070280]

Where did they come from, svezheregov

The main thing is that a person writes sensibly and logically ..
And he doesn’t shudder anyhow.

[yehat2]

Quote: Kama74

relations between which are determined by international agreements ...

Naglia and the United States honor the agreement only when it suits them.
Yugoslavia, India, China, Hawaiian Islands, etc. start differently. - the list is very long.
The Germans found gold in their colony in Africa, the local Boers were with them. But 3 years pass and ... the gold is already English, and the Fritzes are aggressive aliens. This is how it works. Moreover, I will remind you that this is not weak Libya or Argentina - this is the German Empire, but they also managed to bend it.

[Mountain shooter]

Here's the news ... I thought they would be discussing the "weighting" of the warning weapon ... Well, for example, if sailors with hearing are bad, use OFAB 500 so that the fountain above the bridge and the water hammer on the hull would clear their ears. And it looks like ... Well ... In short, NURS, of course, clearly. But the destroyer cannot be sunk by them.

[Peak]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Well ... In short, NURS, of course, clearly. But the destroyer cannot be sunk by them.

If there is an intention to drown Mu-Mu, another arsenal will be used.

Here we are just talking about the "educational" aspect of the expulsion of uninvited guests.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

if sailors with hearing are poor, use OFAB 500 so that both the fountain above the bridge and the water hammer on the hull will clear the ears.

Application depth charges , in that case it would be even more purifying.
But as we can see, a different path was chosen, so that the effect was, and that the use of weapons would allow "to go along the edge" without aggravating the situation.

[SIT]

The destroyer wore fire-retardant masks, fearing not the 20mm guns of the Coast Guard ship. They have on board online satellite imagery of what is deployed east of Fiolent beyond the Marble Beam. Nobody really hides it, so that the destroyers understand that if something goes wrong, then those who are sooooo lucky will get to the Crimea, but only by swimming.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: SIT

no 20mm coast guard ship cannons

Well, their guns are still 30 mm, but otherwise I absolutely agree with you.

[abrakadabre]

those who are sooooo lucky will get to the Crimea, but only by swimming.

Don't swim. They will catch them and give them a lift. In a conditional neighborhood.

[Asad]

Soon a whole flock will come to the exercises, if they repeat the provocation, then the war is not far away!

[YOUR]

We used the weapon correctly. They showed that they were not joking. All this talk, new regulations with an eye on how it would not turn out is a step back. Those who arrange such provocations do not bother thinking about what will happen if ...
What to expect next?
The landing of troops on the coast of Crimea, shelling, albeit deserted, but the territory of Russia and with an explanation, we agreed on this step with the Ukrainian government, they allocated us a plot of their territory for firing ?.

[Alexander 3]

In my opinion, there will be more such violators, because now they know that they will shoot by. It's like pinching one girl on the ass, she will snap, and the other will go in the face.

[Borz]

With a girl, an example is straight to the point

[Pilot]

Yes, the example with a girl is correct only if the girl is not one of those with reduced social responsibility. It's very similar ..

[rocket757]

The Ministry of Defense will change the regulations on the use of aviation weapons against ships violating the state border

On the one hand, as if you would like to HA, chop with a saber
On the other hand, ОХ ХО ХО, I don't even want to discuss ... I'm tired of it.

[prior]

There will be no peace without coffins.
Maybe it is worth withdrawing from the treaties and resuming nuclear tests?
It is quite a peaceful and convincing remedy for all aggressive people.
And the new regulations of the Ministry of Defense rather look like cowardice.

[rocket757]

Therefore, I do not want to pound water in a mortar ... as the upper ones decide, so it will be.

[Egoza]

Quote: rocket757

On the one hand, as if you would like to HA, chop with a saber
On the other hand, ОХ ХО ХО, I don't even want to discuss ... I'm tired of it.

Sorry, but the situation looks like ...
“On June 18 (!), The commander of the most important strategic direction - the Western Special Military District, General of the Army DG Pavlov received a directive from the General Staff to bring all border districts to full (!) Combat readiness.
His steps: at 18.00 orders to remove weapons and ammunition from the planes. All of the district's aviation was disarmed! This did not seem enough to the general, and he sent another order to the subordinate units: "The order of June 20 on bringing the units to full combat readiness and prohibiting vacations - to cancel." (P.F. Nikolaev "100 days of Joseph Stalin")
By the way, the fact that I.V. Stalin and his military leaders are not mentioned on Victory Day, they clearly show their former "allies" their real attitude to this holy holiday. And it would be worth reminding! Then they would not be so greyhounds

[rocket757]

Then, even the WORLD War did not guarantee a general, global catastrophe .... now, in a different way and there is little joy in this.

[Tusv]

Small-haired people think so, so let the Ukrainian border guards take the rap for the excessive use of weapons.

[Ros 56]

It is not necessary to use NURS in such cases, but Daggers, it will somehow be more intelligible for followers. And about these already it is not necessary to speak. And stop crying about the outbreak of a big war, there will be no word at all. Whoever walked in the evenings and came across impudent people knows that it is enough to drop one or two of the most impudent and the crowd scatters.

[Gardamir]

it will not be from the word at all

By the way, yes! It is not the war that is terrible, but the sanctions against those who are resting in London. Perhaps they have already threatened, since they are going to facilitate weapons. Can scare from pistols or wave dirks.
If real patriots in the government would have asked the British how they would react to the Russian fleet's trip to the Malvinas Islands.

[Kama74]

And how often did you disperse the crowds like that?)

[Ros 56]

Of course not, but when they were young they started playing like all normal decent guys.

[Kama74]

<<< The British destroyer did not react in any way to the warning shots of the border patrol ship, >>>
Of course he didn’t react .. He probably didn’t notice them .. Somewhere behind on the horizon some boat passed into the sky ..

[Charik]

missed the keys

[yfast]

Is there a video of the bombs or is it a duck?

[KKND]

there is a video, it looks like a duck bomb

[bar]

the issue of using lighter weapons in warning firing is considered in order to reduce the likelihood of a serious military conflict.

Is this question definitely being considered by the Ministry of Defense, and not by the Ministry of Peacekeeping? Didn't the authors confuse anything?

The Ministry of Defense emphasizes that incidents like the one that occurred on June 23 near Crimea will only grow, so it is necessary to be ready to adequately respond to them.

And as an adequate response, instead of a real rebuff to the enemy, the Ministry of Defense proposes to launch the rackets? Nonsense...

[volodimer]

the issue of using lighter weapons in warning firing is considered in order to reduce the likelihood of a serious military conflict.

Yeah, it became funny. So you can get to the point that the commander of the coast guard ship fired warning shots from his service weapon. This will definitely reduce the likelihood of conflict to zero.
Here, on the contrary, it is necessary to take such measures of visual impact in order to once and for all discourage the desire for such provocations.

[bar]

Quote: volodimer

Yeah, it became funny. So you can get to the point that the commander of the Coast Guard ship fired warning shots from his service weapon.

Well, they're going to launch rockets. Probably from a rocket launcher.
No, you probably need to smooth the corners too. But this is the business of diplomats from the Foreign Ministry. Let them smooth it out if that's their job. And the work of the military from the Ministry of Defense is to provide defense from the country of the enemy, and not the crushing of boobs. "Reducing the likelihood of a serious military conflict" in such a way with such impudent people is a little real thing.

[archiroll]

They think of something in the wrong direction ...

[mlad]

He knew that he had not been touched and therefore became impudent, no where he did not turn, as he walked, he passed.

[Cat]

All this is strange ... The sentry, after a shout and a warning shot, opens fire to kill. And it doesn't matter who the offender is - the local holy fool or drunken zampotekh. It may, of course, not get caught out of the kindness of his soul, but the principle remains the principle: "Don't get in - he will kill!" What other regulations are needed?

[mikh-korsakov]

Do not understand. They refer to the military from the MO! These military men allegedly spoke about the consideration of the issue within the Ministry. The question arises - are the unnamed military men traitors to the Motherland, blurting out official information to the side? Is Izvestia a spy now? I am in no way a specialist, but I have a question as a simple citizen. Within the MO, of course, various aspects of expulsion are discussed, it is also reasonable not to accidentally do what they did not want to do. BUT PUBLICATION of this issue in the media, what is this? an invitation to NATO ships to continue violating our border? Like, you are welcome! Our newspaper made sure that you will get nothing for it. Well, they will call the ambassador, make some noise and forget. But this is a provocation of the newspaper!

[Igoresha]

ethno how to understand, readiness for deflection or a cunning plan?

[askort154]

... therefore, an equally effective weapon must be selected that clearly shows the intention to stop the intruder, but does not harm him.

Stupidity. To officially voice such a method against the violator is to show him in advance that he should not be afraid, nothing terrible awaits him. They will scare you, and nothing more.
In my opinion, it is necessary, on the contrary, to voice the decision of the Ministry of Defense to use any type of weapon against the violator of the Russian border.
Let them know in advance what awaits them. This will discourage them from engaging in provocations.

[dzvero]

We must wait for the decision. Still, they are discussing what to use at the initial stage, and not the abolition of the use of weapons in general. In principle, a warning shot can also be considered firing from a rocket launcher. Precautionary bombing along the course can also be removed. The pleasant "toothlessness" is leveled by the fact that if the intruder does not react within a minute, shooting to kill immediately follows. The chain will turn out to be even tougher - a warning on the radio, one warning shot, and fire to kill. In addition, the first two points can be made mandatory only for border guards. For the Navy and Air Force - at the rate of the commanders.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: askort154

... therefore, an equally effective weapon must be selected that clearly shows the intention to stop the intruder, but does not harm him.

Stupidity. To officially voice such a method against the violator is to show him in advance that he should not be afraid, nothing terrible awaits him. They will scare you, and nothing more.
In my opinion, it is necessary, on the contrary, to voice the decision of the Ministry of Defense to use any type of weapon against the violator of the Russian border.
Let them know in advance what awaits them. This will discourage them from engaging in provocations.

How many border ships, how many people from the team must memorize these instructions. The secrecy in such cases seems to be as it is, but purely conditional.

And the use of weapons to kill after a warning fire is probably also spelled out, just in this case the offender was already on his way out of the territory. water

[Incomprehensible]

"The Ministry of Defense emphasizes that incidents like the one that happened on June 23 near Crimea will only grow, so you need to be ready to adequately respond to them."

The Russians are afraid of inflicting damage on the combat ship violating the borders of the Russian Federation, in the west they will appreciate it.
Let them violate, and we will react adequately ... God forbid scratching them, otherwise ...

[Egoza]

Quote: Incomprehensible

Let them violate, and we will react adequately ... God forbid scratching them, otherwise ...

And I agree with the opinion of Yakov Kedmi -
"I would have sunk," said Yakov Kedmi, referring to the British destroyer.
In general, the expert believes that violations of state borders must be answered as strictly as possible so that such cases do not become regular.

"To react in such a way that it is not commonplace. To bequeath to your grandchildren: never do such a thing."

[Roman070280]

I would have sunk "- said Yakov Kedmi

There are three big differences between saying and doing ..))

[volodimer]

Undoubtedly, this should be stopped in the bud. And then do not do the one hundred and first "last Chinese warning". How not to assess the historical "displacement in bulk" in terms of damage to their own ships, but in a moral sense it was very clear and was taken seriously by the US Navy. Until the recent incident in the Gulf of Peter the Great, they did not allow anything of the kind.
After a reminder of a possible ramming by the captain of the "Admiral Vinogradov", the use of weapons for further preventive actions became unnecessary. They did not have a desire to check whether it was a bluff or a reality.

[Seregarodionov]

the bullet hits and turns sharply

[Dimy4]

Turn away from our border, well, please. Such a method will definitely not harm the enemy, and most importantly, property in London.

[certero]

If the provocation grows, then maybe it is worth sinking one?
I am sure that after this the provocations will stop growing.
Warning fire is a warning that further weapons will be used at you. But similar reasoning as in the post speaks of only one thing to use the zassat weapon on the target

[nonsense]

well, Soviet (and some Russian) ships have a 45 mm salute cannon ... Shoot from it ... like clowns ... The weapon is for this purpose given in order to use it as efficiently as possible and not shoot wide of the target! And all these warning shots are perceived as "the Russian cross-eyed missed again" ...
PS: it's like the flights of German aircraft over the USSR in 1941 before the war - they were not shot down and the fascists only got impudent from this! But such "caution" did not prevent the war ... But the "headquarters" has not yet made a conclusion ...

[Alexander Popov_3]

Snot started up again.
Whoever chooses from war and shame - shame, he receives both shame and war.
We already have a shame, it remains to wait for hostilities.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Alexander Popov_3

We already have the shame

Oh, another alternative-gifted. It seems that this time they decided to throw it in a bunch at once.

[APASUS]

Shoot them with rubber balls? Throw off networks at the rate?
What the hell, you have to tinker with border trespassers. Send a ship to visit the Malvinas Islands and see how the British will stand on ceremony with you.

[TatarinSSSR]

What have I read now?

[fif21]

Do not submit to provocations! Do not return fire! I've already read it somewhere! Orders of the USSR Ministry of Defense before the war in 41. And then the German reached Moscow. And here it is again! The Iranians put mattress pirates on their knees, and there were no more provocations. And with us, whatever happens!

[Micfoster]

Let the violators throw bouquets of flowers so that they do not cause damage.

[Momotomba]

Quote: Micfoster

Let violators throw bouquets of flowers so that they do not cause damage

How many bouquets do you need to drown a destroyer ??

[Micfoster]

The fact of the matter is that they are not going to drown and everyone is warned about it. And if the Ministry of Defense reported that the armament of patrol boats for warning firing is not enough (caliber is small, range, etc.) and therefore they will immediately shoot at violators without warning, for example, with the same missiles from planes. Then there will be fewer people willing to violate.

[Momotomba]

Quote: Micfoster

they will immediately shoot at violators without warning, for example, with the same missiles from airplanes.

It's easy for us to sit here and think about which rocket to shoot at whom, to set up booms along the border, etc., and so on ... We won't get away from provocations ...

[Egoza]

Quote: Micfoster

Let the violators throw bouquets of flowers so that they do not cause damage.

"The British edition of The Daily Telegraph, citing its own sources, writes that the route of passage of the British destroyer Defender, which envisaged entering Russian waters off the coast of Crimea in the Black Sea, was proposed by British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace and approved by Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

At the same time, British Foreign Minister Dominic Raab opposed this provocation, writes The Daily Telegraph.

According to the newspaper, the British Foreign Secretary "expressed concern" about Wallace's plan and warned that Russia could use the destroyer's violation of its water borders in its own interests.

“The dispute was between Raab and Wallace, then they turned to the Prime Minister for a (final) decision. On Monday (June 21 - approx. RV) a message was sent to the destroyer that it must make an innocent passage through these waters, "writes The Daily Telegraph, citing information received from a source in the British government.

Note that on the eve of British Prime Minister Johnson did not confirm that the decision on the passage of the destroyer was made by him personally.

“This is a Defense Department business, but if you want to know my opinion, I think it was perfectly appropriate to use international waters. It was absolutely correct that we defended the law and sought freedom of navigation ... by choosing the shortest route between the two points, ”said the head of the British Cabinet.
Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1624598472 "

And will they stop after that?

[odometer]

The last few days there were a lot of talking houses, from the highest tribunes and offices, and even lower tribunes and offices, about NATO's insolence, about escalating, about growing tension ... And, suddenly, such a present ... By the way. Coincidence?

[Essex62]

There is a suspicion that the command of the Southern Military District and the flyers have inserted a fuse behind the bombs along the course. In the Arbat VO they were horrified at what they had done. Dear people, frightened, they pressed the buttons, the risk of hitting the offender should be completely absent.
All from the same opera. OI under a capitulating white rag, a seized embassy ... So it goes, Crimea will not be ours.

[Oleg Aviator]

The British checked for weak and were convinced that it was weak) instead of reacting adequately to the offender, they also considered that they reacted too harshly.) Yes, if the Americans had such a thing, they would have used this for the purpose and then told the whole world that they had shown the height of humanism and philanthropy ... So next time they will behave even more impudently. Give this audience a finger

[AshPoseidon]

I am in favor of leaving the bombs. It has been proven in practice.

[abrakadabre]

I am in favor of leaving the bombs. It has been proven in practice.

I still propose to change the bombs for anti-ship missiles. And not by the offender, but just as it should be. The first to self-detonate in line of sight with a blind eye. The second to the waterline. With a minute or less pause, to think better.

[markant1970]

During the Sea Breeze, 40 ships will come in, how will they be warned?
Attention please, dear guests?

[Peak]

Quote: markant1970

40 ships will come in during the Sea Breeze

We are sure that they will enter our territorial waters, violating the border, or these are dreams - wet Ukrainian ("NATO come and useh pobide")?

[markant1970]

Wet dreams of former greatness is the atmosphere where you personally live (judging by your posts)
Mangling a foreign language gives you at least a "polyglot"

[Peak]

Quote: markant1970

Wet dreams of former greatness is the atmosphere where you personally live (judging by your posts)

Don't judge, don't ... Observation and analysis are not yours

[markant1970]

Smiled, does it really hurt your eyes?

[Peak]

Quote: markant1970

Smiled

Yes, of course, smile ...
And what else is there for you, except - stupid to grin and jump ("smile and wave"this is not about today's Ukraine), if you misled the country?

[Momotomba]

The regulations should be something like this: a small boat approaches the offender at a distance of 2-3 miles, and the offender understands that he has 5 minutes to turn into neutrals or admit to a breakdown and ask for help ... one of these two actions - a rocket flew from the shore))
But seriously, the regulations should allow the use of weapons, and the fathers-commanders decide what they should be in a particular situation.

[Dikson]

Will we hand over loafs with bread and salt? What casuistry - we are trying to stop the enemy by dropping bombs, but at the same time we are trying not to cause unintentional damage .. Isn't it funny ourselves? Weapons exist to cause damage. And so .. - again "no matter what happens .." Then let them go wherever they want. Disband the border troops, and calm down .. And do not shake your "Iskander" and "Daggers" - there is nothing to arrange clowning ... Clowns and cheek puffers ...)) Peace be with the world! To love and forgive everyone, not to offend anyone .. Gentlemen, officers, it seems we are again betrayed by our own government ... In general, this story is endless - politics, ssss ...

[Nikolay Kuchkov]

In the General Staff, the generals' wet diapers became ...

[rotmistr60]

the use of aerial bombs can lead to unintentional damage, therefore it is necessary to choose an equally effective weapon that clearly shows the intention to stop the intruder, but at the same time does not harm him

And if he doesn't understand after that? Humanism is certainly good, but probably not when the borders of Russia are violated by a ship, an airplane ... with weapons ready for use. The fact that the frequency of provocations will only grow is understandable, as well as the fact that when Powers was shot down, reconnaissance flights over the territory of the USSR stopped instantly.

[Dikson]

Wait, now someone else from the command staff of the Air Force will be asked to retire, at the request of the British .. - for unprofessionalism and hasty decisions .. By the way, Defender will soon go from Georgia to Odessa again .. We bet he will trample directly again? ))) And this time they will definitely not touch him ..

[Rudauto]

According to available data, the issue of using lighter weapons in warning firing is being considered in order to reduce the likelihood of a serious military conflict.

For example, firecrackers and New Year's fireworks, as well as fireworks at the ship's course. What a strange MO reaction.

[Errr]

There is no need to invent anything new here. The stink bomb already exists.

Some common components:
Organosulfur compounds:
- Methanethiol (rarely used; it is a gas and therefore more difficult to handle than liquids)
- Ethanethiol, which smells like leeks, onions, durian or boiled cabbage
- Propanethiol
- Butaneethiol, which smells like a skunk spray
Inorganic sulfur compounds:
- Ammonium sulfide, rotten eggs
Carboxylic acids:
- Propionic acid, sweat
- Butyric acid, rancid dairy products, or vomiting
- Valeric acid smelling like dirty feet
- Caproic acid that smells like cheese
Aldehydes (e.g. butanal)
Amines:
- Triethylamine, old fish
- Ethanolamine, unpleasant
- Putrescine, rotten meat
- Corpse, rotten meat
Heterocyclic compounds:
- Indole that smells like feces
- Skatole smelling of feces

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stink_bomb

[Izotovp]

Warning net on propellers and tug in neutral waters))

[Bez 310]

Everything is as usual...
After they screwed up with warning shooting and alleged bombing, they began to talk about the incident intensively, putting forward various proposals that were useless to anyone, and all this to create information noise.
In general, everything is like Shvonder's: - "This is some kind of shame!"

[KKND]

Quote: Bez 310

After screwing up the warning shooting and bombing,

Well, the fact that there was no bombing is understandable, but what did the Naglich people manage to put on the warning shooting "bolt"?

[Bez 310]

Quote: KKND

Did the naggers manage to put a "bolt" on warning shooting?

In the video from the FSB, this shooting was carried out strongly to the side and behind the offender, it could simply not have been noticed.

[KKND]

I watched this video, it was undoubtedly edited and it gives the impression (I understand English well by ear) that after our boat fired a volley of 30mm, having told the British before that there was a kind of training art shooting in the area and we were afraid that you get into the area of ​​this shooting, the British said that they were leaving for international waters. But on the video there is a gluing of fragments and it is not clear they left because they were afraid of our artillery fire or said that they were leaving because the time had come. That is the question. Were they generally scared, or was everything planned and they did not "walk" in our waterways for a long time?

[Bez 310]

Quote: KKND

Were they generally scared, or was everything planned and they did not "walk" in our waterways for a long time?

I can only guess that our soldiers acted spontaneously and "carefully", and the violator - strictly according to the plan.

[KKND]

Quote: Bez 310

I can only guess

Yes, we can only guess what really happened, but maybe time in the near future will clarify who scared whom. At the end, the British said: "We carried out an innocent passage through .... (can't make out) ... and we will continue our operations in international waters, over. "

[north 2]

In such cases, arm the land border guards only with salt-firing guns, so that
God forbid not to spoil the skin of the violators of the border and thereby reduce the likelihood of a serious military conflict. Here samurai, Bandera or NATO members will climb across the land border into Russia - and you use their salt and Berdanks, salt, to reduce the likelihood of a serious military conflict ...

[yfast]

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation "The territory of Crimea is as it were Russian, well, we think so, but Sberbank, for example, does not think so, well, do not drown them, in fact."

[Lew]

You don't need to drown the Sberbank, but dropping Gref instead of bombs is not a bad idea.

[Nikolay Kuchkov]

But for some reason Vova tolerates Grefa, so encourages !?

[yehat2]

Quote: yfast

but Sberbank, for example, does not think so

business is immoral by definition.
if morality is discarded, what difference does it make to what Sberbank says?

[Irek]

After warning, open fire on drowning.

[Lew]

maybe we will also drop leaflets with ice cream and apologies instead of bombs? They uncover and load the guns, and we have a boat of women in kokoshniks with bread and salt ...

[yehat2]

an article was published that our patrol ship could not catch up with the destroyer.
a very strange statement. Let me explain why.
if the destroyer was sailing at maximum speed in visibility of the coast, otherwise the patrol ship could not help catching up, this is at least strange. And costly. At the same time, it is completely normal that the patrol did not run at speeds of 30+ knots.
if he walked at cruising speed, then the patrol could not but be able to catch up with him.
Thus, it is not clear what the reproach to our patrol forces is.

[older]

Quote: ASAD

Soon a whole flock will come to the exercises, if they repeat the provocation, then the war is not far away!

I don't know about the pack, but at the last football championship, our fans, with a song about Katyusha, explained to the Britons, including how to behave correctly.

[jovanni]

However, the use of aerial bombs can lead to unintentional damage, so it is necessary to choose an equally effective weapon that clearly shows the intention to stop the intruder, but does not harm him.

What a concern for violators! And then what, in general, wave flags? Well, so God forbid not to harm ...

[babackov.eu]

The first is PREVENTIVE, the second is for LOSS !!!

[Alexey RA]

According to available data, the issue of using lighter weapons in warning firing is being considered in order to reduce the likelihood of a serious military conflict. As one of the options, it is proposed to abandon the use of aerial bombs, replacing them with unguided aerial missiles.

Gorgeous. That is, instead of dropping 4 bombs, it is proposed to release 80 S-80 or 20 S-13?
They made it easier, made it easier ...

[Free Island]

And yet they decided to take the Lokhov position of the terpily

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Free Island

Terpily's Lokhov position

Auyeshka?

[iouris]

Preventive use of the ball missile missile without warheads will raise the threshold for making decisions on border violations. Why is the issue of sending a destroyer into British territorial waters not being considered?

[alexander 08]

With the policy of Leopold the cat, you will always be to blame!, no matter what!

[Reserve buildbat]

As an option, really refuse to reset OFAB-250. It’s better to launch 2-4 S-25s aimed at the side. Somewhere at the waterline level.

[mik2261]

It's logical. None of us are ready to go to war. When we started bombing Donbass, we were not ready. When the British practically stroll through our territory, we are not ready.
When Donbass is completely destroyed, and the British are sailing their ships along the Moscow River, I assure you, we will not be ready either.
I wonder what we will be ready for when our backs again rest against the Ural Mountains? Lump corpses in the tens of millions? Or even then we will have a good reason “not to look like psychopaths”?

[Welling]

Maybe we can throw candy wrappers?

[bbss]

Manure. In large quantities and thinner.

[AC130 Gunship]

Russia does not need a war with NATO in any form. Especially in a scenario where the Russian Federation uses weapons first. Then go there and prove whether you swam or didn’t swim 3 km. Especially if he is attacked, and he, wounded, retreats to neutral waters...

[Adimius38]

Yes, immediately shoot with a slingshot in front of the bow about five miles away............. Everyone is playing peacekeepers..... disgusting. They crossed the state border with 8000 tons, climbed three miles into the territory of the Russian Federation, and THEY just don’t get hit by shrapnel... ugh. The British have already shown our planes empty wings...... With a full canopy under the wings, this is what the signal should be.... everyone is playing doves of peace

[tank64rus]

“However, the use of aerial bombs can lead to unintentional damage, so it is necessary to choose an equally effective weapon that will clearly show the intention to stop the intruder, but will not harm him.” Why does the intruder, after all the warnings, not know what he is doing. Or who something vibrated about the thought of Londongrad.

[Nikolay Kuchkov]

Why can’t we do what we do with Korean and Japanese fishing schooners - arrest border violators, confiscate the ship, judge the violators! The border should be locked, no “please, leave”!!

[lvov_aleksey]

warship is in another jurisdiction.
ps example with Ukraine and its small size tugboats, do not voice
A warship can only be sunk or captured during a war!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nikolay Kuchkov]

A border violator - what kind of jurisdiction can there be - sink or capture, like the Iranians, for example, or U-2 Francis Power 1960, Sakhalin... and then they wet themselves - the generals are afraid for their seats. I remember 1969, when the top leadership could not accept The decision on the Damansky incident was made by the commander of the troops, at his own peril and risk - truly a military man!

[trillobit]

why listen to you, wag your finger wow, how bad you are, now we’ll laugh at you on the air, what are you muttering about? There are still land borders and there will be the same precedents, you’re in a fairy tale choli, 3 kilometers is just the beginning, with the Council of Deputies they would be closer We wouldn’t have approached the border 3 kilometers knowing that a tambourine would fly in. We didn’t bother anyone then like we do now and we relied on their opinion and didn’t mutter something on the air to justify it, the surgeon at the table doesn’t persuade the cancerous tumor not to grow, he simply cuts it off, saving the patient’s life

[lvov_aleksey]

Quote: Nikolay Kuchkov

A border violator - what kind of jurisdiction can there be - sink or capture, like the Iranians, for example, or U-2 Francis Power 1960, Sakhalin... and then they wet themselves - the generals are afraid for their seats. I remember 1969, when the top leadership could not accept The decision on the Damansky incident was made by the commander of the troops, at his own peril and risk - truly a military man!

Do you remember the beginning of the 19th century)))

[Nikolay Kuchkov]

The one who fights according to the rules loses the war, but you need to have memory in order to make the right decision, and not quietly go into diapers...

[CTABEP]

Only the bombs turned out to be some kind of virtual, they weren’t visible in any of the videos. These certainly won’t harm anything, you can write about the FAB-9000 in press releases, saying they threw it the wrong way and the adversary got scared.

[Santa Fe]

Write FAB-90000, there’s no need to feel sorry for them, the fascists

[Alexander Perveev]

An escalation of an armed incident is a bad prospect. Leaving a provocation without consequences means losing face. You need to mark the enemy so that he is ridiculous and cannot wash himself off for a long time. Instead of guns and bombs - a plastic container with finely chopped rotten fish is delivered exactly to the deck of the intruder - the green ones will shut up, the public will die laughing, and impudent visitors in gas masks will tear up their ship for a week. Fun and educational!

[swan49]

The right decision, but it’s unclear why it’s taking so long to make. After all, it was immediately known that the safety zone when using OFAB, taking into account the scattering of fragments, is more than 2 km. And you won’t see, and you won’t hear, and you won’t understand who it refers to. And unguided aircraft missiles of the S-8 type have a scattering radius of fragments of up to 50 m. Moreover, there is experience in using them for such a “charitable” cause - 2018, Kerch Strait.

[Object.F7]

The British showed courage, even if only for a symbolic 5? or how many nautical miles there are, they crossed the line and returned intact, although in fact it is purely economically profitable for Russian naval aviation to take off from Belbek, in the north of Sevas, from there to Fiolent you don’t even have to gain much altitude, it’s very close, and if they decided to prevent the issue, bunks , then the duty pair of the Yak-130 managed it economically, it’s probably not difficult NOT TO HIT) the bunks, but in such a way that according to the ship’s course, a couple of missile tracks will be noticed. For a crew of two, it should not be difficult to take an advantageous position against the background of any destroyer or any ship in general, an advantageous scenario for any aircraft, even a combat trainer. One conventional Yak, well, or heavy weights, 24,30,34 were shining on Belbek, twin-engine expensive ones for a light and noise show. Although Soviet bunks should not be underestimated, hanging a whole battery, even firing in volleys there are many opportunities to shoot. It knocks out the superstructure, with communications and radar, fires from the stealth destroyer will make a bright contrasting spot. In general, at sea it was always the initiative that decided; whoever entered the battle steered the theater of operations and was successful. While some are deciding how not to hit, others can arrange for June 22, from Fiolent you can also quickly hit the same Belbek first, and the hundred square meters which is close to the south, although hitting the rocks is not an easy task. Well, the positions of the Bastions/Balovs are also probably present somewhere and will suddenly be revealed by space or local reconnaissance. Will the British give up the destroyer for slaughter, then calling the dead sailors heroes, or will they find another nation for this fate, as was the case in the other 99% of cases of the British successful policy of creating hotbeds and conflicts in Europe, and in the whole world, why hide, weave intrigues? The British are probably the best at this. Plus a very advantageous island position. At one time, Napoleon, like a dog, tried to jump onto a tree after the Cheshire cat) and then Hitler and Goering bit his tongue in the Battle of England, although now are the times that half of the standard missiles of a conventional one Borean can arrange a Karmagedian for my entire favorite English football premier - league((the only hope is for the Northern Irish, maybe they will revive the SIPL football like Phoenix. And there is hope for Maxim Klimov, who claimed that the Bulava was not accepted for service, a non-existent missile paired with that bridge, after underwater launches, even in one gulp, probably a video montage, then a plus for the graphics of increased reality. Not long ago, one Boreas surfaced near the Statue of Liberty, some owners of NY also called for DROWNING without realizing the consequences. If an airplane is just a means, then a warship is considered the territory of the state and there is a special demand here. The destroyer is also a ship of the first rank with all due respect. Such people need to be sunk only like Kuznetsov twice, just a phenomenal pair of sabotages per unit of time. An amazingly resilient ship, which doesn’t want to go into water or fire, can now be disabled by endless modernization. In this regard, Crimea is an even more unsinkable aircraft carrier. Although if you sleep through the attack... Pearl Harbor, a question of initiative in short. The S-400 and Bastions, on paper, are super formidable weapons that seem to cover the entire World Cup space, but this is an expensive bullshit toy if you don’t have the determination to give an order.

[Santa Fe]

ship, but four OFAB-250 bombs, placed along the ship's heading, forced it to turn.

A lie repeated 1000 times becomes the truth

[Shket53]

So I’m talking about the same thing, where is the video, because there is a video of warning shooting, where is the video of the bombing, and it just can’t help but exist, but what if they hit, or the razors started whining that they hit, but in reality everything is completely different .... In short, it's a complete mess

[Pavel57]

NURS with paint instead of warheads. It won't hurt much, but it will ruin your mood.

[Santa Fe]

replacing them with unguided aircraft missiles.

Absolutely the right decision

Effective, but without serious consequences

This is not a replacement of bombs with NURS - no one dropped bombs anyway. The Defense Ministry is only now thinking about using air attack weapons. And chose NURS as the most adequate way

[Alexander Terentyev]

Whose mill are you pouring water into? (I'm talking about bombs) :-)

[swan49]

Last fall, the Ministry of Defense introduced a bill on bombing to the State Duma. But things are still there.

[Alexander Terentyev]

The explosions of NURS-8 shells on the super armored deck of frigates and destroyers will be quite effective. The ship will not be damaged, but all members of the ship's crew will have full diapers. This is really the right decision! And if the battleship shoots back, then let’s fire to kill - from the shore or from the air

[pexotinec]

We need to tighten things up, but they make easing. Then just let's express our concerns.

[Pavel Gennadievich]

What, Khibiny doesn’t work anymore!?

[Koka999Jambo0654320]

Yeah. Spank your ass! The enemy must tremble as he approaches our borders! The only way.

[cyberbarabash]

Patriotic stokers... Scaring a hedgehog with your naked ass is a so-so job.
Hitting a moving target with a nanocast iron bonboy from a flying antique is only possible by accident. Well, in general, the grenades are of the wrong system...
The horns of the lively cow were cut off long ago, all that remains is to fantasize about how we can get them if they are on us.

[ck9999999]

Your optics are flooded and the nozzles are clogged.

[Fonmeg]

From small items on crocodiles???

[Wladimir134]

The Kremlin bastards are crap that the real estate will be taken away. How disgusting to look at this. No shame or conscience. This circus with sanctions. Yes, if you really wanted this. They would have taken away the property, banned entry for both themselves and their relatives, and everyone would have sailed. And so they show off that those who are our patriots are...

[Wladimir134]

Circus with horses for ordinary people. Who is there in the government for the country? You saw their faces. Unscrupulous. One palmetto poisons the population. Another puts in his inedible meat. And like the king doesn’t know

[Wladimir134]

Military Review has become like Channel One. You can't talk about the government. They have also become... I'm writing this for the last time. It's a shame they sell it openly for their power

[SSaid]

The Ministry of Defense is now covering up what was screwed up with the response procedure. An enemy WAR ship, don’t understand with what weapons on board, invaded the territorial waters of the Russian Federation, thereby committing a serious criminal offense against the Russian Federation and its citizens, endangering people’s lives, and Shoigu is hiding behind “order”??!! But how to immobilize the target, tow it to the port and judge the team?? Or does it only work with rusty Ukrov boats? This is already the third invasion of the territorial waters of the Russian Federation by British warships!! Drive Shoigu out of the Ministry of Defense!!!

[humbov]

Precisely INVADED. It was necessary to bomb not in the direction of the Defender, but from BACK, blocking it in our territorial waters and forcing them to lower their flag, and flog the team publicly in the cemetery of British soldiers in Sevastopol....

[Shket53]

Was there any use of the OFAB-250, there is a video of warning firing, and where is the video of the bombing along the course of the ship violating the state border, there was also a drone patrolling there. I would really like to see this video

[Sergey Bikeev]

"It is necessary to choose a weapon that is equally effective, which will clearly show the intention to stop the intruder, but will not harm him."

Yeah... Shake it with your fist.

[Yuri Alekseevich_61]

Electronic warfare is just electronic warfare..., only with full instructions for self-destruction or self-immersion... and without time for preparation...

[ck9999999]

35 years ago, Baltic pilots worked accurately and brilliantly in Riga, depriving the BOD of speed and maneuverability. (Sablin’s story.) Why it is necessary to “knit” the military defending their homeland is not clear. And if air defense pilots are again introduced to the studio with a “new look,” then the process of dividing the country may continue. Even if the Black Sea border guards go on icebreakers to the "bulls" ...

[Alexusev]

There are a lot of ways to block an enemy vessel without firing a single shot!!!1. With the help of a self-winding cable on the screws of the vessel!!! 2. With the help of dropping a good sea fishing net!!!! 3. Or simply by dumping feces or a difficult-to-soluble solution onto the deck of the offender!!! Then he is simply taken in tow to provide assistance to the victim in the port of "Ukraine"!!!:))))))))))

[tolmachiev51]

Somewhat reminiscent of the “tomato” war with Turkey!!! It’s okay with small-shaven people, we have kids, money and everything else there.