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The US Air Force conducted the third stage of testing the Golden Horde combat control system

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The American program Golden Horde entered the next stage of testing, the US Air Force carried out a reset aviation bombs GBU-39 / B SDB with a new control system.


If at the second stage of testing, which took place in February of this year, four GBU-39 / B SDB bombs, launched from one fighter, in flight distributed targets among themselves and corrected their flight, after which they hit them simultaneously, but at the third stage they were dropped from two planes.

During the tests, six GBU-39 / B SDB bombs were launched from two fighters. In flight, they exchanged data and assigned targets taking into account the given parameters, but already in the air they received a new task from the ground station. Taking into account the new data, the bombs independently distributed new targets among themselves and successfully hit them.

The Golden Horde project provides for the creation of a combat control system capable of combining various aircraft weapons to exchange data and make certain decisions. Previously, such a system was developed as part of the Gray Wolf program, but in 2020 it was replaced by the new Golden Horde project. In turn, the Golden Horde program is part of Vanguard's large-scale project to create a "thinking" weaponsable to operate with minimal human involvement.

The first information about the Golden Horde project appeared around 2019. The Air Force Research Laboratory (ARFL), in conjunction with the Californian organization Scientific Applications Research Associates, planned to create a universal control system capable of collecting several missiles or bombs in a "flock" for joint work. Potential ammunition included GBU-39 / B SDB bombs, AGM-158 JASSM missiles and AGM-160 MALD missiles.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 30 May 2021 17: 28
    +2
    The weapon is getting smarter, this is natural ... if only it does not become very abstruse and does not decide on its own who to kill!
    1. hirurg
      hirurg 30 May 2021 17: 48
      +5
      Mongols need to file a lawsuit for plagiarism.))))
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 May 2021 18: 10
        +2
        This is if they managed to correct the patent / rights for a similar name.
        1. hirurg
          hirurg 30 May 2021 18: 16
          -2
          We did not have time, but we must submit.
          For order.
          As they have there, it is customary in a democratic cesspool.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 30 May 2021 18: 52
            0
            So yes, this is the basis of the foundations, intellectual and other property should be protected by the state .... but they adhere to their own, but in general, they pull everything that is bad. They always organize a pretext, they are at one, two.
      2. Magog_
        Magog_ 30 May 2021 21: 15
        0
        Mongols
        Those who began to call them at the end of the 19th century, who do not know. "Golden Horde", "Tatar-Mongols" and so on - that's all about our ancestors. The phrase "Tatar-Mongol yoke in Russia" first appeared in the edition of the so-called. "The Radziwill Chronicle" by order of the impostor "Peter 1" ... So, claims against amers for using the brand must be filed with us.
    2. RealPilot
      RealPilot 30 May 2021 18: 38
      +2
      The hope for "smart" weapons, especially such bombs, is a double-edged sword.

      If the enemy is weak and undeveloped, then the effectiveness will be amazing.

      But if the enemy has found a way to deceive them using electronic warfare, for example, or by manipulating GPS, then the effectiveness may be zero or close to that ...

      It is expensive to equip all aviation units with this! This weapon is specialized, not mass-produced.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 May 2021 18: 56
        +3
        Quote: RealPilot
        If the enemy is weak and undeveloped, then the effectiveness will be amazing

        I'm not sure that this will shock everyone so directly ... some simply will not understand how they were technologically overpowered and will act in the manner they are accustomed to, and it is not a fact that it will not turn out to be less effective.
        Quote: RealPilot
        It is expensive to equip all aviation units with this! This weapon is specialized, not mass

        This is also an argument. It is enough for the enemy not to put "eggs in one basket" and then there will be not a boom, but a very expensive zilch.
    3. Bar1
      Bar1 30 May 2021 18: 53
      -5
      where is pin_dos and where is the Golden Horde? How did the Golivut decide to privatize the entire world heroics?
      1. Fedor Sokolov
        Fedor Sokolov 30 May 2021 19: 23
        +7
        How where? Previously, the "Golden Horde" collected tribute from many countries and tribes, but now the United States, so the correct name reflects the whole essence of modern American geopolitics.
        1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
          Nikolay Ivanov_5 30 May 2021 22: 23
          0
          The totalitarian liberalism of the United States continues its expansion around the world.
    4. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 30 May 2021 22: 20
      0
      In the US and EU, the regression continues to worsen. They call themselves developed when they can offer nothing to anyone except submission or war.
    5. Anachoret
      Anachoret 30 May 2021 23: 26
      +1
      on their plans in spirit
      The US Air Force conducted the third stage of testing the Golden Horde combat control system

      It is worth conducting exercises and developing a plan to repel such air threats called "And we are army"))
    6. Gunther
      Gunther 31 May 2021 03: 21
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      The weapon is getting smarter, this is natural ...
      if only he didn’t become very abstruse and didn’t decide
      yourself, whom to wet!


      already, not a direct weapon, but there are victims:
      “The British postal company Post Office has been using the Japanese Horizon software for decades with a bug in the code. It was used to keep track of all sales and it was miscalculating. The program indicated a lack of money, and the employees of the company, "responsible" for it, went to jail or were deprived of their personal savings, and some even committed suicide. The number of victims is estimated in hundreds. "©
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 31 May 2021 09: 14
        +1
        And what if this is the revenge of the "mice" .... however, another nonsense flavored not by the competence of the responsible persons. .... it happens.
  2. Rageee
    Rageee 30 May 2021 17: 33
    +2
    AGM-160 MALD what kind of animal is this? hear it for the first time..
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 30 May 2021 17: 45
      +10
      Quote: Rageee
      AGM-160 MALD what kind of animal is this?

      This is what they prefer to be silent about. MALD-J is the current model, it is an electronic warfare UAV capable of simulating an aircraft or suppressing enemy radars. Several thousand units were purchased by various types of troops.


  3. nobody75
    nobody75 30 May 2021 17: 35
    +10
    It would be interesting to look at the target allocation algorithms. Taking into account the fact that Grass Gis also knew how to work with raster data of satellite images and bind them to any datum, the dream of a German headquarters officer of the times of the WWII might turn out - the air reconnaissance data had already been processed and mapped at lunchtime. And now it may turn out to be more and more interesting - satellite and air reconnaissance data are automatically tied to the map in a separate layer in an automatic mode, the planners in the "plan" vector layer draw, which is immediately transmitted to the smart weapon ...
    Interesting ...
    Sincerely
  4. URAL72
    URAL72 30 May 2021 17: 35
    +5
    Yes! The number of targets is becoming so great, and they themselves are so cheap that air defense can only rely on electronic warfare systems and long-range missiles to destroy carriers. Soon, a preemptive strike will become such a necessity that someone's nerves may break down.
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  6. Alien From
    Alien From 30 May 2021 17: 39
    0
    At this rate, you will believe in the terminator ...
  7. knn54
    knn54 30 May 2021 17: 40
    -5
    -During the tests, six GBU-39 / B SDB bombs were launched from two fighters.
    -School;
    -hospital;
    -wedding;
    - funeral procession;
    -nursing home;
    CHP or substation ...
    1. mole
      mole 30 May 2021 20: 47
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      -During the tests, six GBU-39 / B SDB bombs were launched from two fighters.
      -School;
      -hospital;
      -wedding;
      - funeral procession;
      -nursing home;
      CHP or substation ...

      Something like that recently there is no such news.
      Do the VKS with the Foreign Ministry "learn" !? what
  8. markant1970
    markant1970 30 May 2021 17: 48
    +4
    I read an extended version of the article.
    The program indicates the possibility of flashing air defense systems with one swarm of simulators and hitting illuminated targets with another
  9. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 30 May 2021 17: 52
    -3
    Last revision: Golden Horde, renamed Gold Rush ...
  10. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 30 May 2021 18: 10
    +2
    Yoli-Pali, this concept deserves serious attention! And how to deal with "her"? I am a supporter of active air defense / missile defense! Electronic warfare means, in my "understanding", is in 2nd place ... But then you start to come to the conclusion that the standard air defense / missile defense systems may no longer be enough! The time has come for a mass "arrival of KAZs! Various! Tank, and object, and others ... Do you know that there are already projects of KAZs of anti-aircraft missile systems and, even, submarines? The Americans have the concept of KAZs assumes 2 levels: tens (hundreds) of meters of action and a long-range (average) level with a range of 1-2 km ...
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 30 May 2021 18: 20
      +2
      "Iron is softened only by iron, a wolf's habit is needed against a wolf" - Nizami. It is necessary to transfer planning and command and control of troops at the operational level to artificial intelligence.
      Sincerely
      1. out of habit
        out of habit 30 May 2021 20: 29
        +4
        And what to do with the generals? They will go around the world.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 30 May 2021 21: 51
          +4
          Generals will train neural networks ... Under the supervision of political workers.
          Sincerely
          1. out of habit
            out of habit 30 May 2021 22: 08
            +3
            If AI is trained by generals, it will cease to be artificial. Although, new times require new mistakes.
            1. nobody75
              nobody75 30 May 2021 22: 10
              +2
              So the political workers will do their bit! Will add chaos!
              Sincerely
            2. shahor
              shahor 30 May 2021 23: 35
              +1
              Quote: out of habit
              If AI is trained by generals, it will cease to be artificial.

              It will cease to be intelligence.
      2. mole
        mole 30 May 2021 21: 05
        +1
        Quote: nobody75
        "Iron is softened only by iron, a wolf's habit is needed against a wolf" - Nizami. It is necessary to transfer planning and command and control of troops at the operational level to artificial intelligence.
        Sincerely

        At one time, Granites were called a wolf pack.
        But time has passed, the element base of microelectronics, communication channels, algorithms have changed.
        But at present, while only the Brain is able to make the "correct" decision. Or "expedient". The factor of "chuyka" has not been canceled. You can hardly put it into machine code.
        Best regards, Colleague!
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 30 May 2021 21: 56
          +3
          The brain will not have time to cover the scale of a modern multidomain operation ... As an example, I can cite Galaktionov's work "Paris 1914", which analyzes the Battle of the Marne ... As a child, I read it for a month, drew maps ... will be the same not expressive and difficult to read ...
          Sincerely
          1. mole
            mole 30 May 2021 22: 41
            +1
            I agree, colleague, but where the brain does not calculate, intuition works. Nobody will write intuition into the code. Take the factor of one soldier - an alarmist (a coward and a traitor). The commander, knowing his qualities, will not send him into reconnaissance, his intuition is sharpened in the OBD. AI will not calculate these qualities. As a result, the AI ​​will have initially incorrect data. These data will form the basis for subsequent calculations. Errors will be cumulative. As a result, an incorrect assessment of the situation.
            AI is only a means, but the final decision lies with the human brain, with its knowledge, experience, and skill.
            1. Jacket in stock
              Jacket in stock 31 May 2021 05: 37
              +3
              Quote: Mole
              Nobody will write intuition into the code. Take the factor of one soldier - an alarmist (a coward and a traitor). The commander, knowing his qualities in intelligence, will not send,

              Intuition in your example has nothing to do with it.
              This is pure knowledge, i.e. information that needs to be remembered and applied under the appropriate circumstances - and this is a standard task for a machine algorithm.
              Intuition is from the area "they will respond to any of our tricks with unpredictable stupidity."

              But it was then about operational management, i.e. making quick decisions in a rapidly changing environment with a huge number of factors taken into account, when there is no one to send to reconnaissance, you have to manage to dodge the bombs flying at you.
            2. nobody75
              nobody75 31 May 2021 09: 35
              0
              As a result, the AI ​​will have initially incorrect data. These data will form the basis for subsequent calculations. Errors will be cumulative. The result is an incorrect assessment of the situation.

              Modern American machine learning algorithms for command and control are developed on the basis of the so-called OODA cycle (aka Boyd's cycle). In it, intelligence data is subjected not only to analysis, but also to synthesis in order to obtain the current operational situation from retrodata. This is similar to how algorithmic traders of their robots check and see if they get the current quotes on the retrodata of previous trades. In modern command and control systems, according to my information, the Boyd cycle runs continuously, so the probability of an incorrect conclusion from an incorrect message through modus ponens is negligible.
              Sincerely
      3. lucul
        lucul 30 May 2021 21: 08
        -6
        It is necessary to transfer planning and command and control of troops at the operational level to artificial intelligence

        I don't quite understand - gliding bombs have a range of up to 100 km. Our air defense has a range of 300-400 km. How are they going to fly up to us at the distance of dropping their smart bombs? ))))
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 30 May 2021 21: 58
          +4
          This network will include not only bombs ... Between all the ammunition there will be real-time data exchange and, I think, there will be some kind of distributed target allocation algorithm ... That's what interests me ...
          Sincerely
          1. Gunther
            Gunther 31 May 2021 03: 15
            +1
            The Golden Horde project provides for the creation of a combat control system capable of combining various aircraft weapons to exchange data and make certain decisions.


            all these means of ACS by troops and weapons are good, especially when the enemy is at a lower technological level.
            but when the enemy is equal or superior, it is likely that the automated control system will malfunction at the physical and program level, the result is complete helplessness, high-tech weapons will go blind and deafen, chaos will ensue in control.
            it is also possible to fail without outside intervention, for example, the story of the English postal company Post Office, when due to an error in the code in the Japanese software Horizon hundreds of people suffered, some lost their lives.
            1. Jacket in stock
              Jacket in stock 31 May 2021 05: 22
              +1
              Quote: Gunter
              when the enemy is equal or superior, it is likely that the ACS will malfunction

              This is why the idea of ​​a sudden disarming strike is very popular.
        2. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 31 May 2021 05: 25
          +2
          Quote: lucul
          How are they going to fly up to us at the distance of dropping their smart bombs?

          Very simple.
          The first disarming blow knocks out all strategic targets and long-range air defense systems. And already in the second or third wave, planes with bombs go and finish off everything that is left.
          1. lucul
            lucul 31 May 2021 09: 56
            -2
            The first disarming blow knocks out all strategic targets and long-range air defense systems

            Air defense is reliably carried out only by hypersound or when the number of attacking missiles is greater than the defense has available.
            It is still tense with hypersound for the amers, and in order to push through the air defense in a certain area, a large concentration of forces is required in this area, which will not remain without the attention of intelligence.
            Therefore, both the first and second scenarios are unlikely.
            Therefore, these gliding bombs are good against the Papuans.
            1. Jacket in stock
              Jacket in stock 31 May 2021 10: 50
              0
              Quote: lucul
              a large concentration of forces is required in this sector, which will not remain without the attention of reconnaissance.

              What concentration?
              A dozen decoys are one MLRS package or a pair of F-16s. Well, a couple more jammers on the ground.
              1. lucul
                lucul 31 May 2021 12: 39
                -2
                What concentration?
                A dozen decoys are one MLRS package or a pair of F-16s.

                Stupidity.
                To hit an air defense, you need to have means of destruction that exceed the range of destruction of missiles of this air defense. You cannot comprehend this simple truth in any way.
                1. Jacket in stock
                  Jacket in stock 31 May 2021 12: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: lucul
                  To hit an air defense, you need to have means of destruction that exceed the range of destruction of missiles of this air defense

                  And what's the problem?
                  Khimars missiles fly 300 km. Air missiles for 1500 km, each missile can contain a whole cassette with false targets and / or active electronic warfare means of various types.
                  Moreover, it is not the range of missiles that should be considered, but the range of the entire air defense system as a complex.
                  Those. and means of detection and target designation too. And this is not always the same, especially in the conditions of electronic warfare.
                  1. lucul
                    lucul 31 May 2021 12: 59
                    -1
                    And what's the problem?

                    To you . Do you know what dimensions a rocket must have in order to fly over 400 km? (Range of S-400 missiles)))) And now look at the dimensions of the carrier of these missiles, and if there are also a dozen false targets, also capable of flying more than 400 km , then there will be few B-52 pairs))))
                    1. Jacket in stock
                      Jacket in stock 31 May 2021 20: 02
                      0
                      Do you know what dimensions a rocket must have in order to fly over 400 km? (Range of S-400 missiles

                      rocket AGM-158A JASSM, length 4 m, diameter 0,45 m.
                      Flight range 1000 km. F16 fits a couple. There are four at F15.
                      False targets are small such devices, there can be 10-20 pieces in a package. They do not need to fly 400 km. Our S-400 missiles will fly to them on their own, about 20-40 missiles, because the radar of the complex and the missile seeker will not be able to distinguish a false target from a real target. And that's all, anything can fly freely next, our missiles have run out.
                      1. lucul
                        lucul 31 May 2021 20: 26
                        -2
                        False targets are small such devices, there can be 10-20 pieces in a package. They do not need to fly 400 km.

                        Damn, well, think sometimes.
                        The rocket flies 400 km, and it will launch false targets at a distance of 10-20 km (or closer), when the S-400 missile defense system hits it at a distance of 300-350 km, that is, in fact, forget about false targets.
                        If the missile launches false targets immediately after launch (before it is hit by an anti-aircraft missile), then in fact they will not fly 400 km, otherwise they should have dimensions similar to the carrier.
                      2. Jacket in stock
                        Jacket in stock 1 June 2021 05: 01
                        0
                        Quote: lucul
                        Damn, well, think sometimes.

                        Similarly.
                        Quote: lucul
                        The rocket flies 400 km, and it will launch false targets at a distance of 10-20 km (or closer), when the S-400 missile defense system hits it at a distance of 300-350 km

                        That's it.
                        Therefore, why should she fly up to the air defense system at 10-20 km is unclear.
                        Most likely there is no need.
                        False targets will be fired exactly at that distance when they are already perfectly visible by the radar of the attacked air defense system and its missiles can reach them in order to provoke the air defense system to fire.
                        You don't need to fly 10-20 km at all, even to disarm the Armor.
                        These false targets will not have to fly all 400 km either, as I wrote above, their task is to cause fire on themselves so that our missiles will arrive at them by themselves.
                        5 seconds to launch our missiles, plus 5 minutes to fly up, that's all the required time of their life ... well, maybe a couple more minutes for the most slow-witted to wake up :)
                      3. lucul
                        lucul 1 June 2021 08: 23
                        -2
                        False targets will be fired exactly at that distance when they are already perfectly visible by the radar of the attacked air defense system and its missiles can reach them

                        )))))
                        The problem is that false targets launched far away, after a few kilometers, will lose their speed and begin to fall, because they do not have their own engine to continue the flight, and the main rocket will continue to fly forward, and the missile will aim at it.
                      4. Jacket in stock
                        Jacket in stock 1 June 2021 09: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: lucul
                        false targets, after a few km they will lose their speed and begin to fall, because they do not have their own engine

                        Why don't they? Religion does not allow?
                        Quite the opposite is true; for a realistic imitation of the target, the bait must fly at exactly the same speed. Otherwise, even the most "wooden" seeker will recognize it, not to mention the ground-based radar.
                      5. lucul
                        lucul 1 June 2021 11: 40
                        -3
                        Why don't they? Religion does not allow?

                        We go in circles - you just can't understand that for a rocket to fly these 400 km, a certain amount of fuel is required, which has a mass.
                        And in your opinion, it turns out that the rocket flies on which dark matter engine, which is no larger than a ballpoint pen)))
                      6. Jacket in stock
                        Jacket in stock 1 June 2021 12: 05
                        0
                        Quote: lucul
                        - you just can't understand that for a rocket to fly these 400 km, a certain amount of fuel is required

                        And you just cannot understand that a false target does not need to fly these 400, they need to hold out in the air for 5-6 minutes. At a speed of about 800 km per hour, this is a maximum of 80 km. This is a task for the simplest NURS or "foam" drone.
                      7. lucul
                        lucul 1 June 2021 12: 27
                        -2
                        And you just cannot understand that a false target does not need to fly these 400, they need to hold out in the air for 5-6 minutes.

                        And what, you do not know that the size of the object visually decreases when deleted? )))
                        If it's so hard for you to imagine -
                        Here's a look at the change in the trajectory of heat traps when shooting.
                      8. Jacket in stock
                        Jacket in stock 1 June 2021 12: 51
                        0
                        Quote: lucul
                        And what, you do not know that the size of the object visually decreases when deleted? )))

                        And this is what side?
                        Or do you think that the S-400 is looking out for its targets through a telescope?
                        No, he is looking for them with a locator. And the locator, and even at such a distance, does not see the size of the target, it sees only the radio signal reflected or emitted by the target. The locator does not know whether it is an airplane, a rocket, or just a piece of foil. But according to the parameters of the movement of the target, it tries to predict. And if the target is flying at an altitude of kmk an airplane, with a speed like an airplane and in a direction like an airplane, then the locator decides that this is the airplane. Well, plus in terms of signal strength, but here options are possible, tk. maybe stealth, not stealth, just a dip or extreme in the reflection diagram.
                        And the air defense system must make a decision to launch its missiles very quickly in order to be in time before the aircraft reaches the launch line or before it turns and leaves. Therefore, the missiles of the air defense missile system will be launched within a few seconds after detection, and the task of the false target is to live those 5 minutes that anti-aircraft missiles will fly towards them.
                        The seeker of our missiles also cannot determine the size of the target (in any case, the information that the "brains" for optical seeker with such capabilities were created only passed this spring), and the radar seeker, in principle, will not be able to do this, multichannel heads in our missiles also not yet. Therefore, the rockets will fly somewhere where there is a radio and a heat signal.
                        Having fired off all the ammunition on the launcher, our air defense systems will not have time to reload, this is a very long time. There will be a smaller air defense system, short-range - Bukov and Torov, and even bombs will get them without any problems at all.
                      9. lucul
                        lucul 1 June 2021 16: 18
                        -3
                        But according to the parameters of the movement of the target, it tries to predict. And if the target flies at an altitude of kmk an airplane, with a speed like an airplane and in a direction like an airplane, then the locator decides that this is an airplane

                        But the trap does not fly (there is no engine), it falls from the moment it was released, and the rocket moves away from the trap at a speed of Mach 2.)))
                      10. Jacket in stock
                        Jacket in stock 1 June 2021 17: 32
                        0
                        Quote: lucul
                        But the trap does not fly (there is no engine), it falls from the moment it was released,

                        How much can you do that?
                        There are also traps with engines, and they fly just like an airplane or a rocket.
                        This is the whole point of the trap - maximum compliance with the parameters of the real goal.
                      11. lucul
                        lucul 1 June 2021 17: 56
                        -3
                        How much can you do that?

                        How many kilometers out of 400 can your trap fly, and at what speed so that it is indistinguishable for the GOS SAM? ))))
                        There are also traps with engines, and they fly just like an airplane or a rocket.

                        Then why make a trap, if you can stuff a charge there and get a full-fledged rocket? ))))
                      12. Jacket in stock
                        Jacket in stock 2 June 2021 12: 44
                        0
                        Quote: lucul
                        How many kilometers out of 400 can your trap fly, and at what speed so that it is indistinguishable for the GOS SAM?

                        Yes, I wrote 3 times, like in Russian.
                        The trap must hold out in the air for a maximum of 5-6 minutes so that the air defense missile system could detect it and launch its missiles, and these missiles flew to it. During this time, at a speed of 800-900 km / h, this is the speed of an aircraft and / or a cruise missile, the trap will fly a maximum of 80 km.
                        Quote: lucul
                        Then why make a trap, if you can stuff a charge there and get a full-fledged rocket? ))))

                        Then, in addition to the warhead, a full-fledged rocket should also have a full-fledged seeker, and this is sometimes more than half the cost of the entire rocket.
                        And so I fired a packet of NURSs (relatively speaking), and fly further with a real rocket.
                        And we are talking about long-range air defense systems with a range of hundreds of kilometers.
                        Although in life everything will be even funnier.
                        Our S-400 will not shoot at any 400 km, because the range of the radio horizon is an order of magnitude less. And at close range, even JASSM will not be needed, they will simply be covered with a hundred or two of real NURSs and smaller smart missiles, with the same "spikes", for example, from which they cannot physically fight back due to restrictions on the minimum range of their huge missiles, and due to the limited number of targeted channels.
                      13. lucul
                        lucul 2 June 2021 13: 57
                        -4
                        The trap must hold out in the air for a maximum of 5-6 minutes so that the air defense system can detect it and launch its missiles

                        The trap can only fall for these 6 minutes if it does not have an engine.)))
                        During this time, at a speed of 800-900 km / h, this is the speed of an aircraft and / or a cruise missile

                        The speed of the aircraft is 2 km / h, the missiles are even higher)))
                        That is, on average, the rocket will move away from the trap by 550 m / s)))
                        And depending on the distance, the RCS of the target will change - the rocket flies towards the missile defense system - its RCS grows, the trap remains in place and falls, its RCS has not changed.
                        And the seeker is aimed at the largest object with the highest RCS.)))
                        Our S-400 will not shoot at any 400 km, because the range of the radio horizon is an order of magnitude less.

                        The range of the radio horizon can reach 1000 km if the target is high in the air))))
                        And at close range, even JASSM will not be needed, they will simply be covered with a hundred or two of real NURSs and smaller smart missiles, with the same "spikes", for example, from which they cannot physically fight back due to restrictions on the minimum range of their huge missiles, and due to the limited number of targeted channels.

                        Here in general he whinnied like a horse)))
                        At the first launch of the rocket, a response from our MLRS arrives at them after 1 minute)))
                      14. Jacket in stock
                        Jacket in stock 2 June 2021 14: 40
                        0
                        Quote: lucul
                        At the first launch of the rocket, a response from our MLRS arrives at them after 1 minute

                        Also neigh.
                        First, not in a minute, more.
                        And secondly, how will the response to the firing positions help those of our air defense systems, into which their missiles are already flying?
                        Nothing.
                        Quote: lucul
                        The range of the radio horizon can reach 1000 km if the target is high in the air))))

                        Can you name one such goal?
                        Me not.
                        Real planes will arrive at an altitude of 50 meters and jump out into the beam of our radars almost point-blank, where the S-400 "flying telegraph poles" are useless.
                        Quote: lucul
                        The speed of the aircraft is 2 km / h, the missiles are even higher)))

                        And what plane can launch rockets at that speed?
                        JASSM, by the way, flies 1000 km / h. That is even slow for any NURS.
                        Quote: lucul
                        That is, on average, the rocket will move away from the trap by 550 m / s)))
                        And depending on the distance, the RCS of the target will change - the rocket flies towards the missile defense system - its RCS grows, the trap remains in place and falls, its RCS has not changed.

                        And here is a real reason to laugh at everyone who knows how the term EPR is "translated into Russian".
                        Quote: lucul
                        And the seeker is aimed at the largest object with the highest RCS.)))

                        Ancient "wooden" yes, when it was years ... dtsat it was. Now the GOS have grown a little wiser. And even more ground-based radar.
                      15. Jacket in stock
                        Jacket in stock 2 June 2021 14: 47
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                        Then I propose to end our unpromising conversation, since I have no opportunity to continue it further (I write from the tablet, my finger hurts so much at it).
                        And to you, if you are really interested in this topic, in a friendly way I advise you to read a couple of some kind of clever books. And if it’s not very interesting, then relax, break away from the computer and go for a walk - I don’t know about you, but now we have wonderful weather.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 30 May 2021 18: 33
    +1
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    The time has come for a mass "arrival of KAZs! Various! And tank, and object, and others

    First, it is very expensive.
    And not a panacea
    And it's also very dangerous - a loaded cannon that shoots by itself, I would not want to be around.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 31 May 2021 00: 24
      +1
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      First, it is very expensive.
      And not a panacea


      Duc, all the latest weapons are becoming more expensive, not being a "panacea"! But all the same, "the iron horse is replacing the peasant horse"! wink This, after all, cannot be avoided! "Burst, but keep the style!"
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      And it is also very dangerous - a loaded cannon that shoots by itself, I would not want to be near

      Choose the lesser of two evils! recourse
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 30 May 2021 18: 30
    +1
    Blinnnnnnn ....
    What a technique it came to!

    However, one question arises, but what is the stability of the connection between these bombs.
    After all, if there is a receiver, you can always influence it.
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 30 May 2021 19: 00
      +7
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Blinnnnnnn ....
      What a technique it came to!

      However, one question arises, but what is the stability of the connection between these bombs.
      After all, if there is a receiver, you can always influence it.


      It is very difficult to push the entire radio range where radio traffic can take place. For noise immunity, pseudo-random search of frequencies during transmission has long been used. Transmission is carried out in short intervals at peak power. Given the fact that the distance in the flock is relatively small.
      And the source of interference is much further away, it is difficult to do this.
      If you imagine a possible application, then this is the launch of several waves of such gliding ammunition.
      The first wave goes to known previously identified air defense targets.
      When information appears (for example, AWACS) about new objects that have joined the work, the second wave is redirected to them. Accordingly, the third wave is targeting what remains.

      For air defense, gliding ammunition is a rather unpleasant target with a very small EPR. There are also no other indirect signs because no engine - does not glow in the infrared range, no reverse track, no radar, etc.

      The possibility of coordination between ammunition for approaching a target at the same time is also a critical parameter for air defense.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 30 May 2021 19: 05
        +6
        I will just add that the "wave" has its own electronic warfare UAVs. Which can perform various tasks. From intelligence to suppression. This further complicates the task.
        1. mole
          mole 30 May 2021 21: 38
          +1
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          I will just add that the "wave" has its own electronic warfare UAVs. Which can perform various tasks. From intelligence to suppression. This further complicates the task.

          You're right!!!
          But we do not go "from that end"!
          We are trying to eliminate, destroy, counteract, etc. in the military sphere.
          Who is the USA? - a power with a huge military potential, thanks to high economic indicators, but low moral qualities and mental stability.
          US security is based on its economy. The destruction of its economy will lead to the disintegration of the "power".
          But only our own professionals, unfortunately, are not in favor in this area.
          1. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 31 May 2021 05: 17
            +2
            Quote: Mole
            US security is based on its economy. The destruction of its economy will lead to the disintegration of the "power".

            Unfortunately, the US economy is based not only on the security of the states themselves, but also on the general world order on the planet.
            The destruction of the US economy will automatically lead to such global consequences that cannot be predicted. But what can be predicted unambiguously will not seem enough to us.
  • Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 30 May 2021 18: 40
    -5
    the Golden Horde program is part of Vanguard's large-scale project to create a "thinking" weapon capable of operating with minimal human involvement.


    That's why American people will stop thinking.
  • out of habit
    out of habit 30 May 2021 20: 20
    +1
    How much do they fall that new targets appear during the flight? laughing
    1. Avior
      Avior 30 May 2021 20: 46
      +1
      The range of GBU-39 is more than one hundred kilometers.
      They do not fall, but fly, their wings unfold
  • notingem
    notingem 30 May 2021 22: 19
    +1
    Why the Golden Horde? There are more understandable and formidable names for example Blue Elves or Pink Dwarfs and Excited Potter is even more horror
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 31 May 2021 01: 39
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    How practical is this?
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 31 May 2021 05: 20
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      Quote: Pavel57
      How practical is this?

      This expands the possibilities.
      This can be compared, for example, with attaching a telescopic sight to a conventional rifle.
  • Synoid
    Synoid 31 May 2021 03: 55
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    Interesting development.
    But how ethical is it for the computer to make decisions about what to hit? A person can analyze the situation and decide to cancel the attack, but this system? Although the losses among the civilian population of third countries (all countries except the United States) never bothered them.
  • Crabong
    Crabong 31 May 2021 05: 16
    +4
    In PKR Granit, this idea was implemented in the USSR back in the 80s at a higher level, moreover ...
  • smoltish
    smoltish 31 May 2021 10: 18
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    Quote: Magog_
    Mongols
    Those who began to call them at the end of the 19th century, who do not know. "Golden Horde", "Tatar-Mongols" and so on - that's all about our ancestors. The phrase "Tatar-Mongol yoke in Russia" first appeared in the edition of the so-called. "The Radziwill Chronicle" by order of the impostor "Peter 1" ... So, claims against amers for using the brand must be filed with us.

    They never called themselves the Golden Horde. Just as there was no Kievan Rus. This is a historical construct.
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 31 May 2021 12: 48
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    And the ground station, how long did it last before the retaliatory strike of the tactical missile defense system?