In the Chinese press: The F-35 has so many flaws that it would be a verdict for a manufacturer in any country in the world

The Chinese press again decided to make a kind of comparison of the fifth generation fighters F-35 (USA) and J-20 (PRC). In the Sina edition, material was released, which states that the number of reports on the identification of shortcomings in the American F-35 fighter has been growing lately. Material:

But the Americans have been supplying this aircraft for several years not only to their own Air Force and Navy, but also to foreign countries involved in the program.

The Chinese observer points out that if by now more than 450 identified shortcomings and shortcomings in the F-35 are said, it turns out that the manufacturer supplied this fighter "raw". In particular, the fall in the sea of ​​the F-35 aircraft of the Japanese Air Force is indicated, the reasons for which have not yet been reported by the country's authorities.

The Chinese media say that for a manufacturer of military equipment manufactured in any country, such a number of flaws and not officially announced causes of accidents and disasters would be a verdict. For any country, but not for the USA ...

From the material:

The US continues to present the F-35 as truly unique and priceless weaponwhat looks like intrusive ads.

The Chinese author writes that with the number of shortcomings in the F-35 voiced by the Americans themselves (vibration when using aviation cannons affecting sensor readings and data display on touch screens, displacement of the central axis of the multimedia helmet when the pilot rotates his head, problems with providing the pilot with the necessary volumes of oxygen in flight, insufficient maneuverability at high speeds, problems with software and its updates, logistics difficulties in supply of components, etc.) "it can be assumed that the J-20 is already superior in a number of parameters and characteristics."

From a press article in China:

Firstly, the J-20 fighter is significantly cheaper in terms of maintenance, and secondly, the air-to-air missiles used on the Chinese-made aircraft have a longer range than the F-35 fighter missiles.

Earlier, China raised the issue of the possible export of its J-20 fighters. However, the PRC authorities have not yet made a decision on export.

Comments

[iouris]

It is good for China (and not only) that such a manufacturer has taken over the market.

[voyaka uh]

Totally agree with you!

[Kaman]

Now it remains only to figure out which is cooler: J-20 or SU-57

[Shurik70]

Did the F-35 ever use an air cannon in a REAL combat operation?
It is used exclusively as a bomber, and they prefer to use cruise missiles rather than bombs, that is, they do not approach the target, they hit from afar, ideally, without leaving the zone of their air defense

[Aaron Zawi]

Classic is classic.

[gurzuf]

Do you have a choice?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: gurzuf

Do you have a choice?

Sure. The F-15EX is very good and we may even buy one more squadron of such vehicles.

But our pilots are only demanding the F-35 so far.

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

But our pilots are only demanding the F-35 so far.

Well, right, you need the 13 tons of combat load carried by the F-15EX. How many penguins will it be?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Aaron Zawi

But our pilots are only demanding the F-35 so far.

Well, right, you need the 13 tons of combat load carried by the F-15EX. How many penguins will it be?

We have 50 F-15s and 200 F-16s without F-35s. So each instrument has its own melody.

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

We have 50 F-15s and 200 F-16s without F-35s. So each instrument has its own melody.

And We also surround you with our music. Two Antey-2500 regiments in Egypt, two regiments in Turkey S-400. Well, with the Iranian five divisions and two Syrian PMU-2 Israel is not scared. We will continue to work

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Aaron Zawi

We have 50 F-15s and 200 F-16s without F-35s. So each instrument has its own melody.

And We also surround you with our music. Two Antey-2500 regiments in Egypt, two regiments in Turkey S-400. Well, with the Iranian five divisions and two Syrian PMU-2 Israel is not scared. We will continue to work

Remind you what air defense officers say about their kind of troops?

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Remind you what air defense officers say about their kind of troops?

I'm just a Guard Lance-corporal of the Air Defense. Well go ahead and tell me. And I'll tell you about the standards later

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Remind you what air defense officers say about their kind of troops?

I'm just a Guard Lance-corporal of the Air Defense. Well go ahead and tell me. And I'll tell you about the standards later

Air defense without aircraft, like pubic hair, covers but does not protect.

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Air defense without aircraft, like pubic hair, covers but does not protect.

I'll tell you, as a corporal of the Guard. This is on the teachings We are Theirs, and they are Us, but against the enemy it is symbiosis. I perfectly point them at your Penguins and they are under the Air Defense Umbrella and hell We will be allowed to shoot down the target.
You don't have any officer sources for air defense

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Air defense without aircraft, like pubic hair, covers but does not protect.

I'll tell you, as a corporal of the Guard. This is on the teachings We are theirs, and they are Us, but against the enemy it is symbiosis. I perfectly point them at your Penguins and they are under the Umbrella and hell We will be allowed to shoot down the target.
You don't have any officer sources for air defense

You will be tormented to see them. Believe me, our radars are no worse than yours. Checked.

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

You will be tormented to see them. Believe me, our radars are no worse than yours. Checked out

Congratulations. What? For the seventh year I have been saying that the Israeli air defense is number Two, our Apostle. Who copied it. Ash tree stump that is not from Raytheon

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Aaron Zawi

You will be tormented to see them. Believe me, our radars are no worse than yours. Checked out

Congratulations. What? For the seventh year I have been saying that the Israeli air defense is number Two, our Apostle. Who copied it. Ash tree stump that is not from Raytheon

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

You will be tormented to see them

And so I drove the F 117 to the P-12 if that. Only this is not the P-12 that you captured. Much better

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Aaron Zawi

You will be tormented to see them

And so I drove the F 117 to the P-12 if that. Only this is not the P-12 that you captured. Much better

Yeah. Likewise, the F-35/22 can be easily seen with the Lunberg lens.

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Yeah. Likewise, the F-35/22 can be easily seen with the Lunberg lens.

And what is it. Lunberg lens ?. On the meter P12, the night hawk is visible, like that Tornado. EPR, the size corresponds to the Not a fig did not notice the difference. About F-22 and F-35 I can only say that both programs started simultaneously in 1999. Yes Yes. Air defense knows more about you than you do

[Maikcg]

Well, if the brave American engineers cannot bring the oxygen system to mind, then the lens can be a fake, or rather stealth, so they lie as usual, they say we fly with the lens so as not to collide in the air by accident, but how to remove it ...

[Gregory 1]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

You will be tormented to see them. Believe with us radars are not worse than yours... Checked.

Aron Zaavi (Aaron) - your # 3 radars after the USA, and the Russian # 1 radars, ahead of the US # 2 radars within 10 years. And do not confuse radio electronics when processing radio signals and radio electronics when processing video signals, as many do in VO, not understanding the difference!
Your stealth F-35I fighter-bombers are perfectly visible on our radars.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Gregory 1

Quote: Aron Zaavi

You will be tormented to see them. Believe with us radars are not worse than yours... Checked.

Aron Zaavi (Aaron) - your # 3 radars after the USA, and the Russian # 1 radars, ahead of the US # 2 radars within 10 years. And do not confuse radio electronics when processing radio signals and radio electronics when processing video signals, as many do in VO, not understanding the difference!
Your stealth F-35I fighter-bombers are perfectly visible on our radars.

Oh well. Blessed is he who believes.

[Gregory 1]

Quote: Aaron Zaavi (Aaron)

Oh well. Blessed is he who believes.

Aaron Zaavi (Aaron) is not faith, but truth (truth), and not to spite you.
No matter how the United States tries to hide the true EPR value of the F-35 with the help of Luneberg lenses, the EPR is easily calculated on the surface of the F-35, and then it is corrected by applying the absorption and scattering values ​​of materials used for stealth (previously it was up to 70%), while, taking into account the dynamics of development of these materials at the present time with a certain probability of tolerance.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Gregory 1

Quote: Aaron Zaavi (Aaron)

Oh well. Blessed is he who believes.

Aaron Zaavi (Aaron) is not faith, but truth (truth), and not to spite you.
No matter how the United States tries to hide the true EPR value of the F-35 with the help of Luneberg lenses, the EPR is easily calculated on the surface of the F-35, and then it is corrected by applying the absorption and scattering values ​​of materials used for stealth (previously it was up to 70%), while, taking into account the dynamics of development of these materials at the present time with a certain probability of tolerance.

Very well.

[gurzuf]

Purely off topic, but out of curiosity - do you have at least one monument to the founder of your country? (I mean Joseph Vissarionovich).

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: gurzuf

Purely off topic, but out of curiosity - do you have at least one monument to the founder of your country? (I mean Joseph Vissarionovich).

Ben-Gurion has it. Trumpeldor has it. Jabotinsky is. What role did Stalin play in the Zionist movement?

[gurzuf]

Well, for example, I came across such infa - Hasidic rabbi Aaron Shmulevich wrote: "We must not forget about the role of the USSR and Stalin in the creation of the State of Israel. It was only thanks to the support of the Soviet Union that the UN adopted a resolution on the creation of the state." And when the first Arab-Israeli war began in 1948, it was Stalin who authorized the supply of captured German weapons from Czechoslovakia, including German aircraft, which saved the Israeli army from complete destruction. And Great Britain and the United States refused to supply weapons so as not to spoil relations with the Arab countries, since they were highly dependent on the supply of Arab oil. Another rabbi, Mikhail Finkel, spoke about this on Israeli television. Is this a lie?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: gurzuf

Well, for example, I came across such infa - Hasidic rabbi Aaron Shmulevich wrote: "We must not forget about the role of the USSR and Stalin in the creation of the State of Israel. It was only thanks to the support of the Soviet Union that the UN adopted a resolution on the creation of the state." And when the first Arab-Israeli war began in 1948, it was Stalin who authorized the supply of captured German weapons from Czechoslovakia, including German aircraft, which saved the Israeli army from complete destruction. And Great Britain and the United States refused to supply weapons so as not to spoil relations with the Arab countries, since they were highly dependent on the supply of Arab oil. Another rabbi, Mikhail Finkel, spoke about this on Israeli television. Is this a lie?

Not. But it is also known that Comrade Stalin simply used the Jews to rock the BV and squeeze the British out of here.

[gurzuf]

Then only for this - ". It was only thanks to the support of the Soviet Union that the UN adopted a resolution on the creation of the state," v. Stalin Joseph Vissarionovich deserves a monument, not to mention for - "it was Stalin who authorized the supply of captured German weapons from Czechoslovakia, including German aircraft, which saved the Israeli army from complete destruction." And you are talking about his inappropriate role.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: gurzuf

Then only for this - ". It was only thanks to the support of the Soviet Union that the UN adopted a resolution on the creation of the state," v. Stalin Joseph Vissarionovich deserves a monument, not to mention for - "it was Stalin who authorized the supply of captured German weapons from Czechoslovakia, including German aircraft, which saved the Israeli army from complete destruction." And you are talking about his inappropriate role.

Have you read about the Slansky case? So much for a change.

[3danimal]

Will you count for the F-117? By eye?
In appearance, we can say that the RCS of the Su-57 is definitely higher than that of the F-35.

[Tusv]

Quote: Gregory 1

Aron Zaavi (Aron) - your radars # 3 after the USA, and Russian radars # 1,

This is Israel's number two. Jankowski Raytheon signed a bunch of contracts with Jews. Short-sighted Yankees well.

[3danimal]

Look: the first surveillance shipborne radar of the HEADLIGHTS near the US WWII - the beginning of the 60s.
THE USSR??
IDZHIS - 80s, compare with the spreading of dissimilar radars of other ships of that time.
The E-3 Sentry of the latest modifications and the E-2D have an AFAR surveillance radar.
Serial radar AFAR - late 90s-early 2000s, F-22.
400+ F-18E / F in the Navy fly with AN / APG-79 (AFAR), since 2007 AN / APG-63 (v2) for F-15S (E) have been produced.
Where are the analogues at the same time?
The lag is obvious.
Comparing air defense / missile defense, for some reason, they exclude radars of such complexes as THAAD, which have very serious characteristics.

[Old Man]

What analogs can we talk about after the 91st? I myself saw how in the 90m they were brushing off young specialists, it looked like they were almost brushing off flies. And Aegis, after all, needs computing power, for which the USSR created an answer, and Gorby came, after which everything sank into oblivion.
The fact that now flies and floats, it is almost a miracle.

[3danimal]

And Aegis still needs computing power

The capacities were there, the late USSR directly copied the processors.

to that in the USSR they created an answer

IJIS? Analogue?

IMHO, unlikely at the time.
The Soviet answer is what stands / hangs on the Admiral Nakhimov:

Modification / creation will have to be done at the present time.
There is Polyment-Redoubt, which is already good (although it lags behind in terms of characteristics).
But here a lot depends on the software, there is a hope that it is not the developer of State services who is engaged in it ..

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Sure. The F-15EX is very good and we may even buy one more squadron of such vehicles.

This is a beast machine. Take it. You will not regret. True, the Yankees are going to release only a dozen this year, but the characteristics are off the charts. If they don't lie of course

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Sure. The F-15EX is very good and we may even buy one more squadron of such vehicles.

This is a beast machine. Take it. You will not regret. True, the Yankees are going to release only a dozen this year, but the characteristics are off the charts. If they don't lie of course

They will apparently change the F-15 C / D.

[Tusv]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

They will apparently change the F-15 C / D.

Flag in hand. A successful glider, like Our Flanker. They will serve up to the 7th generation. IMHO

[Charik]

Seriously, about the requirements of the pilots, just in some countries, they fly on what they give or on what they have.

[Old Man]

They are, I suppose, Foma unbelievers, until they themselves are convinced that the lack of "invisibility" in the F-15 is not a drawback, as well as the "presence" of the F-35's advantage. And the F-15 is good. A sort of hybrid MiG-25 and Su-27.

[Prisoner]

That is why the Americans "shoe" you and other allies with the F-35. For adherence to the classics.

[OgnennyiKotik]

And how many flaws in the J-20, Su-57, EF, Rafal? Are these numbers? Are they published somewhere? Or is there an abstract comparison with an ideal fighter with 0 "flaws"?

[Sergei Chernavsky]

The J-20 is SO MUCH perfect that instead of testing it immediately went into the series and into the troops, it is obvious that the Chinese know best of all that their plane is the best in the world, but what is there, in the universe.

[spirit]

Why? No information, no problem , Ukrainian armored personnel carriers were also a miracle of engineering thought without a single defect, but here's something that customers refuse from it steel

[Zaurbek]

Who is the J-20 export buyer?

[Herman 4223]

There are some for such a car. Cheap, angry and no sanctions.

[Incvizitor]

Given the unfair competition of the fshists, if there are buyers, then there will be sanctions if there are normal 5th generation aircraft in the series, except for the colonies and nobody will buy.

[Maikcg]

As soon as they enter the market, there will be sanctions immediately.

[Zaurbek]

Not cheap ...... angry. 5th generation (and 4th generation too) cannot be cheap. And the list of wealthy clients is not expanding.

[Herman 4223]

A Chinese plane will be one hundred percent cheaper than any western one.
See how their vi longs are sold. They have it cheaper than a bayraktar in terms of price tag, although it is ahead of it in terms of capabilities.

[Zaurbek]

Su35S sold for export about $ 100 million, F35 about that ..... Rafal $ 1100 million. The yuan is a stable currency, and salaries in China are not small. How will it be cheaper? This is not a copy, but a full-fledged development

[Herman 4223]

Well, one hundred million is not only the plane cost. There was information that China bought a set of spare engines for each aircraft. What else was included in the amount, who knows.
I can give you another example, Bulgaria bought 8 f-16s for $ 1,2 billion. But this does not mean that the plane itself costs 150 million apiece.

[Zaurbek]

Now the situation is generally strange. 4 ++ light, medium, heavy fighters cost almost the same. Grippen NG, fresh F16, F15EX .... Su35 and MiG35

[Herman 4223]

Yes, they do not cost the same, there is simply no information on cost.
There is usually the total amount of the contract, which is divided by the number of aircraft and numbers are drawn from this.
And in the contract, apart from airplanes, anything and as much can be. Rocket AIM-120, its price tag ranges from 1,2 to 2 million dollars. To buy about ten missiles for the plane, so a round sum was drawn. And you can buy a lot of things, and everyone needs different things and in different quantities.

[sined]

Interesting. How is their J-31 doing? When is the serial release? Many fighters had flaws that were gradually eliminated. The same F-16, let's remember how much it was criticized, albeit less than the 35th, but then there was no such media coverage as now. When the F-35 is finished, there will already be a thousand of them. Don't underestimate the 35th as overrate the 16th.

[El Chuvachino]

Has the F-16 become a good aircraft? From the point of view of cheapness - maybe, but not quality. Look at its accident rate.

And it's not worth telling a fairy tale about the elimination of the shortcomings of the F-35. About 650 units have already been produced, and the shortcomings, as it was recognized and announced in the Congress, remained more than 800, and several dozen of them were critical. All these jambs will be sawn for many years, if not decades.

[voyaka uh]

"several dozen of them are critical" ///
----
For flights and military operations - not critical, and not even essential.
Otherwise, the Ministry of Defense and the pilots of ten countries using the F-35 would have raised
noise to heaven. But, on the contrary, the pilots are happy and new countries are crowding in line to receive
F-35 at least in 6-7 years.
The plant operates 24 X 7 to ensure the delivery rate: 15 aircraft per month.
And the "hassle-free" Typhoons and Rafali persuade to buy, but there are not particularly those who wish.

[El Chuvachino]

So this is not my gag, this is how it was indicated when the project was criticized in Congress and in the Pentagon and wherever possible. The sources and footnote mentioned that critical problems could lead to the death of the pilot.

One of many documents.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4741475-JSFPO-Deficiency-Review-Board-Minutes-04-June-2018.html

[Zaurbek]

If you look at the prices ... Typhoons and Rafals and even fresh Grippens. They are very close to F35

[Old Man]

a corporation's dream is to release a product that will be paid for for years :-)

[Old Man]

In fairness, the F16 was immediately upgradeable, which is very difficult for the F35 - it's one thing, they wanted to change the wings - they changed it, just like with the engine. And for the F35? here you will have to calculate the external parameters for "invisibility", and check all this. It is no coincidence that the number of F22s did not exceed the planned 187.

[voyaka uh]

"The F16 was immediately upgradeable, which is very difficult for the F35" ///
----
Even simpler: the F-35 is a completely open architecture.
I connected a computer - added software. Replaced mounts.
And that's it: you can insert the Norwegian
Anti-ship missile or Israeli explosive missile.
So it is with new devices or sensors.

[Ross xnumx]

The Chinese author writes that with the number of shortcomings in the F-35 announced by the Americans themselves (vibrations when using an aircraft gun, affecting the readings of sensors and the display of data on touch screens, displacement of the central axis of the multimedia helmet when the pilot rotates his head, problems with providing the pilot with the necessary volumes of oxygen in flight, insufficient maneuverability at high speeds, problems with software and its updating, the complexity of logistics in the supply of components, etc.) "We can assume that the J-20 is already superior to him in a number of parameters and characteristics."

That's it!
Drink, children, milk - you will be healthy! Buy J-20 from Chinese manufacturers - the plane of the century, devoid of all the shortcomings of the F-35 !!!
Yes ... the magic power of advertising ...

[dimy44]

I kicked at the news, I thought that the Chinese had discovered something new. And to grind the old fuli?

[TermNachTer]

The fact that "F - 35" is far from feng shui, like "F - 22" is not a secret. But the fact that the Chinese yaroplan is better than the mattress - they got excited))) at least the engine of the mattress mats is better.

[Evil 55]

That is why mattressoids are expanding the number of supplied Fu-35s in order to get more data on their operation, but no one has ever heard of the J-20 operators, except for China ... and information about it, as well as about its failures and faults do not come at all .. So this is a "pig in a poke", although Fu-35 is a very dubious and unreliable purchase ..

[Maks1995]

And, before the media, everyone praised the SU in comparison with the F35, now everyone is tired of it, apparently the Chinese were connected.

The article is anonymous.

And not a word - that the F35 is a single-engine bomber, that is, all the advantages of single-engine bombers.
and J is a 2x engine fighter ....

how is it: You can't just compare ... put a comma ..

[From Tomsk]

The Chinese bought decommissioned Russian engines for the fourth generation AL-20FN fighters for their J-31s.)) The Chinese still have a long way to go to the F-35 and Su-57))

[voyaka uh]

They bought completely new sets of engines from the Su-20 for the J-35.
Now they stopped - they began to put their own.

[Igor Odessa]

In both cases, it will be like Chizh:
"My Phantom exploded quickly
In the sky blue and clear
Now I won't see you again ... "

[decimalegio]

In fact, everyone knows that the MADE in CHINA brand is synonymous with quality.

[Zaurbek]

Already is .... it was also with the Japs ...... at first their crafts were so-so, then they became high-quality.

[decimalegio]

Perhaps in the future "Made in China" will be the same as "Made in Japan", but today is not the same day. Can i ask you?? Where is the quality of the Russian dry or its Chinese copy?

[bk316]

that the brand is MADE in CHINA

In general, MADE in CHINA is not a brand.
Here are Apple, Intel, Motorulla, Aibiem, Nvidia, these are brands. They all shout that quality is synonymous. And yes, all they produce is MADE in CHINA:laughing:

[decimalegio]

Getting China to produce is one of the biggest mistakes Western capitalists make. People who think only about profit and nothing else. Hope the epidemic has opened up someone's eyes

[rocket757]

DO NOT CHECK the actual technique !!!
Conversations, around the bush, will be endless!

[pytar]

These are funny Chinese! The program for the production and operation of the F-35 is one of the most public, it is constantly covered by the media! And practically nothing is known about the Chinese J-20. How many defects he has, what characteristics, sheer fog! It is easy to criticize the one who is visible to everyone, especially when you are silent about your problems, as if you are dumb ...

[Incvizitor]

Maybe then they will finish it by the 6th generation, but for now ...

Correctable defects are products that, after elimination of defects and re-processing, can be used for their intended purpose.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Mini Mokik

What can you buy? The striped ones give you billions of dollars free of charge, and you “buy” American planes for these dollars. You are simply sponsored as a prostitute who infects a certain, unpleasant US contingent with gonorrhea.

By itself.

[Zaurbek]

They are not forced to quarrel and fight with other Jews ... ... there is no contradiction. There are Arabs around who, if they win, will not play democracy. For Jews, they are no better than the Germans during the Second World War. And they will not be able to repeat the losses of those years.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: Decimalegio

In fact, everyone knows that the MADE in CHINA brand is synonymous with quality.

It is in vain that they and the Koreans already make cars better than the Germans.

[Reserve buildbat]

"In a number of parameters and characteristics," the Fu-35 surpasses even the MiG-29 of half a century ago. 9-12 like?

[Tagan]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

You will be tormented to see them. Believe me, our radars are no worse than yours. Checked.

As we begin to believe someone, so first of all the Jews))) why are the penguins so nervous about the S-400? Tested Your Radars Are Better?
You have a plot meter by meter.