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In the Chinese press: The F-35 has so many flaws that it would be a verdict for a manufacturer in any country in the world

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The Chinese press again decided to make a kind of comparison of the fifth generation fighters F-35 (USA) and J-20 (PRC). In the Sina edition, material was released, which states that the number of reports on the identification of shortcomings in the American F-35 fighter has been growing lately. Material:


But the Americans have been supplying this aircraft for several years not only to their own Air Force and Navy, but also to foreign countries involved in the program.

The Chinese observer points out that if by now more than 450 identified shortcomings and shortcomings in the F-35 are said, it turns out that the manufacturer supplied this fighter "raw". In particular, the fall in the sea of ​​the F-35 aircraft of the Japanese Air Force is indicated, the reasons for which have not yet been reported by the country's authorities.

The Chinese media say that for a manufacturer of military equipment manufactured in any country, such a number of flaws and not officially announced causes of accidents and disasters would be a verdict. For any country, but not for the USA ...

From the material:

The US continues to present the F-35 as truly unique and priceless weaponwhat looks like intrusive ads.

The Chinese author writes that with the number of shortcomings in the F-35 voiced by the Americans themselves (vibration when using aviation cannons affecting sensor readings and data display on touch screens, displacement of the central axis of the multimedia helmet when the pilot rotates his head, problems with providing the pilot with the necessary volumes of oxygen in flight, insufficient maneuverability at high speeds, problems with software and its updates, logistics difficulties in supply of components, etc.) "it can be assumed that the J-20 is already superior in a number of parameters and characteristics."

From a press article in China:

Firstly, the J-20 fighter is significantly cheaper in terms of maintenance, and secondly, the air-to-air missiles used on the Chinese-made aircraft have a longer range than the F-35 fighter missiles.

Earlier, China raised the issue of the possible export of its J-20 fighters. However, the PRC authorities have not yet made a decision on export.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 15 May 2021 14: 50
    +4
    It is good for China (and not only) that such a manufacturer has taken over the market.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 15 May 2021 14: 52
      +1
      Totally agree with you! drinks
      1. Kaman
        Kaman 15 May 2021 16: 53
        +1
        Now it remains only to figure out which is cooler: J-20 or SU-57 laughing
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 16 May 2021 22: 16
          +1
          Did the F-35 ever use an air cannon in a REAL combat operation?
          It is used exclusively as a bomber, and they prefer to use cruise missiles rather than bombs, that is, they do not approach the target, they hit from afar, ideally, without leaving the zone of their air defense
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 17 May 2021 07: 51
            -2
            It is used exclusively as a bomber, and they prefer to use cruise missiles rather than bombs, that is, they do not approach the target, they hit from afar, ideally, without leaving the zone of their air defense
            maybe as a tactical strike carrier of guided weapons, and not just a bomber !? Then, based on the concept of this application, he does not need to enter the enemy's air defense zone, the range of URO or KAB / PAB is quite enough!
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 15 May 2021 15: 20
      +3
      Classic is classic.
      1. gurzuf
        gurzuf 15 May 2021 16: 56
        +4
        Do you have a choice?
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 15 May 2021 17: 18
          +2
          Quote: gurzuf
          Do you have a choice?

          Sure. The F-15EX is very good and we may even buy one more squadron of such vehicles.

          But our pilots are only demanding the F-35 so far.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 15 May 2021 17: 59
            +1
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            But our pilots are only demanding the F-35 so far.

            Well, right, you need the 13 tons of combat load carried by the F-15EX. How many penguins will it be? recourse
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 15 May 2021 18: 12
              +2
              Quote: Tusv
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              But our pilots are only demanding the F-35 so far.

              Well, right, you need the 13 tons of combat load carried by the F-15EX. How many penguins will it be? recourse

              We have 50 F-15s and 200 F-16s without F-35s. So each instrument has its own melody.
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 15 May 2021 18: 33
                +4
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                We have 50 F-15s and 200 F-16s without F-35s. So each instrument has its own melody.

                And We also surround you with our music. Two Antey-2500 regiments in Egypt, two regiments in Turkey S-400. Well, with the Iranian five divisions and two Syrian PMU-2 Israel is not scared. We will continue to work
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 15 May 2021 19: 13
                  -1
                  Quote: Tusv
                  Quote: Aaron Zawi
                  We have 50 F-15s and 200 F-16s without F-35s. So each instrument has its own melody.

                  And We also surround you with our music. Two Antey-2500 regiments in Egypt, two regiments in Turkey S-400. Well, with the Iranian five divisions and two Syrian PMU-2 Israel is not scared. We will continue to work

                  Remind you what air defense officers say about their kind of troops? tongue
                  1. Tusv
                    Tusv 15 May 2021 19: 16
                    +5
                    Quote: Aaron Zawi
                    Remind you what air defense officers say about their kind of troops?

                    I'm just a Guard Lance-corporal of the Air Defense. Well go ahead and tell me. And I'll tell you about the standards later
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 15 May 2021 19: 47
                      +4
                      Quote: Tusv
                      Quote: Aaron Zawi
                      Remind you what air defense officers say about their kind of troops?

                      I'm just a Guard Lance-corporal of the Air Defense. Well go ahead and tell me. And I'll tell you about the standards later

                      Air defense without aircraft, like pubic hair, covers but does not protect.
                      1. Tusv
                        Tusv 15 May 2021 20: 07
                        +4
                        Quote: Aaron Zawi
                        Air defense without aircraft, like pubic hair, covers but does not protect.

                        I'll tell you, as a corporal of the Guard. This is on the teachings We are Theirs, and they are Us, but against the enemy it is symbiosis. I perfectly point them at your Penguins and they are under the Air Defense Umbrella and hell We will be allowed to shoot down the target.
                        You don't have any officer sources for air defense bully drinks
                      2. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 15 May 2021 20: 10
                        -2
                        Quote: Tusv
                        Quote: Aaron Zawi
                        Air defense without aircraft, like pubic hair, covers but does not protect.

                        I'll tell you, as a corporal of the Guard. This is on the teachings We are theirs, and they are Us, but against the enemy it is symbiosis. I perfectly point them at your Penguins and they are under the Umbrella and hell We will be allowed to shoot down the target.
                        You don't have any officer sources for air defense bully drinks

                        You will be tormented to see them. Believe me, our radars are no worse than yours. Checked. hi
                      3. Tusv
                        Tusv 15 May 2021 20: 16
                        +5
                        Quote: Aaron Zawi
                        You will be tormented to see them. Believe me, our radars are no worse than yours. Checked out

                        Congratulations. What? For the seventh year I have been saying that the Israeli air defense is number Two, our Apostle. Who copied it. Ash tree stump that is not from Raytheon
                      4. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 15 May 2021 20: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Tusv
                        Quote: Aaron Zawi
                        You will be tormented to see them. Believe me, our radars are no worse than yours. Checked out

                        Congratulations. What? For the seventh year I have been saying that the Israeli air defense is number Two, our Apostle. Who copied it. Ash tree stump that is not from Raytheon

                        drinks hi
                    2. Tusv
                      Tusv 15 May 2021 20: 19
                      +3
                      Quote: Aaron Zawi
                      You will be tormented to see them

                      And so I drove the F 117 to the P-12 if that. Only this is not the P-12 that you captured. Much better
                    3. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 15 May 2021 21: 11
                      -2
                      Quote: Tusv
                      Quote: Aaron Zawi
                      You will be tormented to see them

                      And so I drove the F 117 to the P-12 if that. Only this is not the P-12 that you captured. Much better

                      Yeah. Likewise, the F-35/22 can be easily seen with the Lunberg lens. wink
                    4. Tusv
                      Tusv 15 May 2021 21: 18
                      +6
                      Quote: Aaron Zawi
                      Yeah. Likewise, the F-35/22 can be easily seen with the Lunberg lens.

                      And what is it. Lunberg lens ?. On the meter P12, the night hawk is visible, like that Tornado. EPR, the size corresponds to the Not a fig did not notice the difference. About F-22 and F-35 I can only say that both programs started simultaneously in 1999. Yes Yes. Air defense knows more about you than you do
                    5. Maikcg
                      Maikcg 15 May 2021 22: 58
                      +4
                      Well, if the brave American engineers cannot bring the oxygen system to mind, then the lens can be a fake, or rather stealth, so they lie as usual, they say we fly with the lens so as not to collide in the air by accident, but how to remove it ... laughing
                2. Gregory 1
                  Gregory 1 15 May 2021 21: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  You will be tormented to see them. Believe with us radars are not worse than yours... Checked.

                  Aron Zaavi (Aaron) - your # 3 radars after the USA, and the Russian # 1 radars, ahead of the US # 2 radars within 10 years. And do not confuse radio electronics when processing radio signals and radio electronics when processing video signals, as many do in VO, not understanding the difference!
                  Your stealth F-35I fighter-bombers are perfectly visible on our radars.
                3. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 15 May 2021 21: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: Gregory 1
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  You will be tormented to see them. Believe with us radars are not worse than yours... Checked.

                  Aron Zaavi (Aaron) - your # 3 radars after the USA, and the Russian # 1 radars, ahead of the US # 2 radars within 10 years. And do not confuse radio electronics when processing radio signals and radio electronics when processing video signals, as many do in VO, not understanding the difference!
                  Your stealth F-35I fighter-bombers are perfectly visible on our radars.

                  Oh well. Blessed is he who believes.
                4. Gregory 1
                  Gregory 1 15 May 2021 21: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Aaron Zaavi (Aaron)
                  Oh well. Blessed is he who believes.

                  Aaron Zaavi (Aaron) is not faith, but truth (truth), and not to spite you.
                  No matter how the United States tries to hide the true EPR value of the F-35 with the help of Luneberg lenses, the EPR is easily calculated on the surface of the F-35, and then it is corrected by applying the absorption and scattering values ​​of materials used for stealth (previously it was up to 70%), while, taking into account the dynamics of development of these materials at the present time with a certain probability of tolerance.
                5. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 15 May 2021 22: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Gregory 1
                  Quote: Aaron Zaavi (Aaron)
                  Oh well. Blessed is he who believes.

                  Aaron Zaavi (Aaron) is not faith, but truth (truth), and not to spite you.
                  No matter how the United States tries to hide the true EPR value of the F-35 with the help of Luneberg lenses, the EPR is easily calculated on the surface of the F-35, and then it is corrected by applying the absorption and scattering values ​​of materials used for stealth (previously it was up to 70%), while, taking into account the dynamics of development of these materials at the present time with a certain probability of tolerance.

                  Very well.
                6. gurzuf
                  gurzuf 16 May 2021 10: 07
                  +1
                  Purely off topic, but out of curiosity - do you have at least one monument to the founder of your country? (I mean Joseph Vissarionovich).
                7. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 16 May 2021 10: 24
                  0
                  Quote: gurzuf
                  Purely off topic, but out of curiosity - do you have at least one monument to the founder of your country? (I mean Joseph Vissarionovich).

                  Ben-Gurion has it. Trumpeldor has it. Jabotinsky is. What role did Stalin play in the Zionist movement?
                8. gurzuf
                  gurzuf 16 May 2021 16: 51
                  -1
                  Well, for example, I came across such infa - Hasidic rabbi Aaron Shmulevich wrote: "We must not forget about the role of the USSR and Stalin in the creation of the State of Israel. It was only thanks to the support of the Soviet Union that the UN adopted a resolution on the creation of the state." And when the first Arab-Israeli war began in 1948, it was Stalin who authorized the supply of captured German weapons from Czechoslovakia, including German aircraft, which saved the Israeli army from complete destruction. And Great Britain and the United States refused to supply weapons so as not to spoil relations with the Arab countries, since they were highly dependent on the supply of Arab oil. Another rabbi, Mikhail Finkel, spoke about this on Israeli television. Is this a lie?
                9. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 16 May 2021 17: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: gurzuf
                  Well, for example, I came across such infa - Hasidic rabbi Aaron Shmulevich wrote: "We must not forget about the role of the USSR and Stalin in the creation of the State of Israel. It was only thanks to the support of the Soviet Union that the UN adopted a resolution on the creation of the state." And when the first Arab-Israeli war began in 1948, it was Stalin who authorized the supply of captured German weapons from Czechoslovakia, including German aircraft, which saved the Israeli army from complete destruction. And Great Britain and the United States refused to supply weapons so as not to spoil relations with the Arab countries, since they were highly dependent on the supply of Arab oil. Another rabbi, Mikhail Finkel, spoke about this on Israeli television. Is this a lie?

                  Not. But it is also known that Comrade Stalin simply used the Jews to rock the BV and squeeze the British out of here.
                10. gurzuf
                  gurzuf 16 May 2021 20: 02
                  -2
                  Then only for this - ". It was only thanks to the support of the Soviet Union that the UN adopted a resolution on the creation of the state," v. Stalin Joseph Vissarionovich deserves a monument, not to mention for - "it was Stalin who authorized the supply of captured German weapons from Czechoslovakia, including German aircraft, which saved the Israeli army from complete destruction." And you are talking about his inappropriate role.
                11. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 16 May 2021 20: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: gurzuf
                  Then only for this - ". It was only thanks to the support of the Soviet Union that the UN adopted a resolution on the creation of the state," v. Stalin Joseph Vissarionovich deserves a monument, not to mention for - "it was Stalin who authorized the supply of captured German weapons from Czechoslovakia, including German aircraft, which saved the Israeli army from complete destruction." And you are talking about his inappropriate role.

                  Have you read about the Slansky case? So much for a change.
              2. Intruder
                Intruder 17 May 2021 07: 57
                0
                But it is also known that Comrade Stalin simply used the Jews to rock the BV and squeeze the British out of here.
                Well, in this craving for global political games for the survival of foreign interests in different small countries, he is not alone ... - this is a classic and already canonical version for large countries, in their foreign policy, counterbalances and implicit influences !!!
    3. 3danimal
      3danimal 16 May 2021 05: 46
      +2
      Will you count for the F-117? By eye?
      In appearance, we can say that the RCS of the Su-57 is definitely higher than that of the F-35.
  2. Tusv
    Tusv 15 May 2021 21: 38
    +5
    Quote: Gregory 1
    Aron Zaavi (Aron) - your radars # 3 after the USA, and Russian radars # 1,

    This is Israel's number two. Jankowski Raytheon signed a bunch of contracts with Jews. Short-sighted Yankees well.
  3. 3danimal
    3danimal 16 May 2021 05: 52
    +4
    Look: the first surveillance shipborne radar of the HEADLIGHTS near the US WWII - the beginning of the 60s.
    THE USSR??
    IDZHIS - 80s, compare with the spreading of dissimilar radars of other ships of that time.
    The E-3 Sentry of the latest modifications and the E-2D have an AFAR surveillance radar.
    Serial radar AFAR - late 90s-early 2000s, F-22.
    400+ F-18E / F in the Navy fly with AN / APG-79 (AFAR), since 2007 AN / APG-63 (v2) for F-15S (E) have been produced.
    Where are the analogues at the same time?
    The lag is obvious.
    Comparing air defense / missile defense, for some reason, they exclude radars of such complexes as THAAD, which have very serious characteristics.
  4. Old Man
    Old Man 16 May 2021 15: 20
    -1
    What analogs can we talk about after the 91st? I myself saw how in the 90m they were brushing off young specialists, it looked like they were almost brushing off flies. And Aegis, after all, needs computing power, for which the USSR created an answer, and Gorby came, after which everything sank into oblivion.
    The fact that now flies and floats, it is almost a miracle.
  5. 3danimal
    3danimal 16 May 2021 17: 49
    +1
    And Aegis still needs computing power

    The capacities were there, the late USSR directly copied the processors.
    to that in the USSR they created an answer

    IJIS? Analogue?

    IMHO, unlikely at the time.
    The Soviet answer is what stands / hangs on the Admiral Nakhimov:

    Modification / creation will have to be done at the present time.
    There is Polyment-Redoubt, which is already good (although it lags behind in terms of characteristics).
    But here a lot depends on the software, there is a hope that it is not the developer of State services who is engaged in it ..
  6. Intruder
    Intruder 17 May 2021 08: 01
    0
    There is Polyment-Redoubt, which is already good (although it lags behind in terms of characteristics).
    But here a lot depends on the software, there is a hope that it is not the developer of State services who is engaged in it ..
    from a public company: Alibaba Group will buy everything they need, they will also take a discount on this interstate order, they have recently started dealing with processors, at least there were statements about the beginning of development! winked
  • Tusv
    Tusv 15 May 2021 18: 12
    +5
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Sure. The F-15EX is very good and we may even buy one more squadron of such vehicles.

    This is a beast machine. Take it. You will not regret. True, the Yankees are going to release only a dozen this year, but the characteristics are off the charts. If they don't lie of course
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 15 May 2021 18: 14
      +1
      Quote: Tusv
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Sure. The F-15EX is very good and we may even buy one more squadron of such vehicles.

      This is a beast machine. Take it. You will not regret. True, the Yankees are going to release only a dozen this year, but the characteristics are off the charts. If they don't lie of course

      They will apparently change the F-15 C / D.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 15 May 2021 18: 25
        +4
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        They will apparently change the F-15 C / D.

        Flag in hand. A successful glider, like Our Flanker. They will serve up to the 7th generation. IMHO
  • Charik
    Charik 15 May 2021 21: 12
    +3
    Seriously, about the requirements of the pilots, just in some countries, they fly on what they give or on what they have.
  • Old Man
    Old Man 16 May 2021 15: 05
    0
    They are, I suppose, Foma unbelievers, until they themselves are convinced that the lack of "invisibility" in the F-15 is not a drawback, as well as the "presence" of the F-35's advantage. And the F-15 is good. A sort of hybrid MiG-25 and Su-27.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 17 May 2021 07: 54
    0
    F-15EX
    A very good car with an excellent balance of combat characteristics, plus there were so many upgrades that it is quite relevant in the 21st century, for conflicts of different tensions around the ball ... hi
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 17 May 2021 07: 39
    0
    laughing That is why the Americans "shoe" you and other allies with the F-35. For adherence to the classics.
  • OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 15 May 2021 14: 53
    +9
    And how many flaws in the J-20, Su-57, EF, Rafal? Are these numbers? Are they published somewhere? Or is there an abstract comparison with an ideal fighter with 0 "flaws"?
    1. Sergei chernavsky
      Sergei chernavsky 15 May 2021 15: 09
      +11
      The J-20 is SO MUCH perfect that instead of testing it immediately went into the series and into the troops, it is obvious that the Chinese know best of all that their plane is the best in the world, but what is there, in the universe.
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    3. spirit
      spirit 15 May 2021 16: 06
      +4
      Why? No information, no problem wink , Ukrainian armored personnel carriers were also a miracle of engineering thought without a single defect, but here's something that customers refuse from it steel hi
    4. Intruder
      Intruder 17 May 2021 08: 03
      0
      Or is there an abstract comparison with an ideal fighter with 0 "flaws"?
      Only, with a mass-dimensional model: ideal and unparalleled, with aerospace designation, in an optionally piloted version, while ... laughing
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 15 May 2021 15: 04
    +3
    Who is the J-20 export buyer?
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 15 May 2021 15: 36
      +6
      There are some for such a car. Cheap, angry and no sanctions.
      1. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 15 May 2021 17: 35
        +2
        Given the unfair competition of the fshists, if there are buyers, then there will be sanctions if there are normal 5th generation aircraft in the series, except for the colonies and nobody will buy.
      2. Maikcg
        Maikcg 15 May 2021 23: 01
        +3
        As soon as they enter the market, there will be sanctions immediately.
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 16 May 2021 09: 08
        0
        Not cheap ...... angry. 5th generation (and 4th generation too) cannot be cheap. And the list of wealthy clients is not expanding.
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 16 May 2021 12: 04
          0
          A Chinese plane will be one hundred percent cheaper than any western one.
          See how their vi longs are sold. They have it cheaper than a bayraktar in terms of price tag, although it is ahead of it in terms of capabilities.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 16 May 2021 12: 23
            +1
            Su35S sold for export about $ 100 million, F35 about that ..... Rafal $ 1100 million. The yuan is a stable currency, and salaries in China are not small. How will it be cheaper? This is not a copy, but a full-fledged development
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 16 May 2021 16: 51
              0
              Well, one hundred million is not only the plane cost. There was information that China bought a set of spare engines for each aircraft. What else was included in the amount, who knows.
              I can give you another example, Bulgaria bought 8 f-16s for $ 1,2 billion. But this does not mean that the plane itself costs 150 million apiece.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 16 May 2021 22: 21
                +2
                Now the situation is generally strange. 4 ++ light, medium, heavy fighters cost almost the same. Grippen NG, fresh F16, F15EX .... Su35 and MiG35
                1. Herman 4223
                  Herman 4223 17 May 2021 10: 04
                  0
                  Yes, they do not cost the same, there is simply no information on cost.
                  There is usually the total amount of the contract, which is divided by the number of aircraft and numbers are drawn from this.
                  And in the contract, apart from airplanes, anything and as much can be. Rocket AIM-120, its price tag ranges from 1,2 to 2 million dollars. To buy about ten missiles for the plane, so a round sum was drawn. And you can buy a lot of things, and everyone needs different things and in different quantities.
  • Sined
    Sined 15 May 2021 15: 04
    +7
    Interesting. How is their J-31 doing? When is the serial release? Many fighters had flaws that were gradually eliminated. The same F-16, let's remember how much it was criticized, albeit less than the 35th, but then there was no such media coverage as now. When the F-35 is finished, there will already be a thousand of them. Don't underestimate the 35th as overrate the 16th.
    1. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 15 May 2021 16: 38
      +1
      Has the F-16 become a good aircraft? From the point of view of cheapness - maybe, but not quality. Look at its accident rate.

      And it's not worth telling a fairy tale about the elimination of the shortcomings of the F-35. About 650 units have already been produced, and the shortcomings, as it was recognized and announced in the Congress, remained more than 800, and several dozen of them were critical. All these jambs will be sawn for many years, if not decades.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 15 May 2021 21: 59
        +1
        "several dozen of them are critical" ///
        ----
        For flights and military operations - not critical, and not even essential.
        Otherwise, the Ministry of Defense and the pilots of ten countries using the F-35 would have raised
        noise to heaven. But, on the contrary, the pilots are happy and new countries are crowding in line to receive
        F-35 at least in 6-7 years.
        The plant operates 24 X 7 to ensure the delivery rate: 15 aircraft per month.
        And the "hassle-free" Typhoons and Rafali persuade to buy, but there are not particularly those who wish.
        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino 15 May 2021 22: 53
          +3
          So this is not my gag, this is how it was indicated when the project was criticized in Congress and in the Pentagon and wherever possible. The sources and footnote mentioned that critical problems could lead to the death of the pilot.

          One of many documents.

          https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4741475-JSFPO-Deficiency-Review-Board-Minutes-04-June-2018.html
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 16 May 2021 09: 09
          +1
          If you look at the prices ... Typhoons and Rafals and even fresh Grippens. They are very close to F35
        3. Intruder
          Intruder 17 May 2021 08: 07
          0
          Otherwise, the Ministry of Defense and the pilots of ten countries using the F-35 would have raised
          noise to heaven.
          And the Western media, for joy, would create a wave of hysteria based on these facts ... good
          But, on the contrary, the pilots are happy and new countries are crowding in line to receive
          F-35 at least in 6-7 years.
          The plant operates 24 x 7 to maintain a delivery rate of 15 aircraft per month.

          Well, here American (effective) marketing is doing its job, but he is there ... at a level that Europeans never dreamed of on a global scale, they can afford the best PR specialists and marketing research in this area, that's it! ?
      2. Old Man
        Old Man 16 May 2021 15: 33
        +1
        a corporation's dream is to release a product that will be paid for for years :-)
    2. Old Man
      Old Man 16 May 2021 15: 31
      -1
      In fairness, the F16 was immediately upgradeable, which is very difficult for the F35 - it's one thing, they wanted to change the wings - they changed it, just like with the engine. And for the F35? here you will have to calculate the external parameters for "invisibility", and check all this. It is no coincidence that the number of F22s did not exceed the planned 187.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 17 May 2021 11: 24
        0
        "The F16 was immediately upgradeable, which is very difficult for the F35" ///
        ----
        Even simpler: the F-35 is a completely open architecture.
        I connected a computer - added software. Replaced mounts.
        And that's it: you can insert the Norwegian
        Anti-ship missile or Israeli explosive missile.
        So it is with new devices or sensors.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 15 May 2021 15: 16
    +4
    The Chinese author writes that with the number of shortcomings in the F-35 announced by the Americans themselves (vibrations when using an aircraft gun, affecting the readings of sensors and the display of data on touch screens, displacement of the central axis of the multimedia helmet when the pilot rotates his head, problems with providing the pilot with the necessary volumes of oxygen in flight, insufficient maneuverability at high speeds, problems with software and its updating, the complexity of logistics in the supply of components, etc.) "We can assume that the J-20 is already superior to him in a number of parameters and characteristics."

    That's it! fellow
    Drink, children, milk - you will be healthy! Buy J-20 from Chinese manufacturers - the plane of the century, devoid of all the shortcomings of the F-35 !!! fellow
    Yes ... the magic power of advertising ...
  • dimy44
    dimy44 15 May 2021 15: 24
    +2
    I kicked at the news, I thought that the Chinese had discovered something new. And to grind the old fuli?
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 15 May 2021 15: 27
    +4
    The fact that "F - 35" is far from feng shui, like "F - 22" is not a secret. But the fact that the Chinese yaroplan is better than the mattress - they got excited))) at least the engine of the mattress mats is better.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 15 May 2021 15: 29
    -1
    That is why mattressoids are expanding the number of supplied Fu-35s in order to get more data on their operation, but no one has ever heard of the J-20 operators, except for China ... and information about it, as well as about its failures and faults do not come at all .. So this is a "pig in a poke", although Fu-35 is a very dubious and unreliable purchase ..
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 15 May 2021 15: 32
    +4
    And, before the media, everyone praised the SU in comparison with the F35, now everyone is tired of it, apparently the Chinese were connected.

    The article is anonymous.

    And not a word - that the F35 is a single-engine bomber, that is, all the advantages of single-engine bombers.
    and J is a 2x engine fighter ....

    how is it: You can't just compare ... put a comma ..
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 15 May 2021 16: 00
    -1
    The Chinese bought decommissioned Russian engines for the fourth generation AL-20FN fighters for their J-31s.)) The Chinese still have a long way to go to the F-35 and Su-57))
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 16 May 2021 01: 06
      +2
      They bought completely new sets of engines from the Su-20 for the J-35.
      Now they stopped - they began to put their own.
  • Igor Odessa
    Igor Odessa 15 May 2021 16: 19
    +1
    In both cases, it will be like Chizh:
    "My Phantom exploded quickly
    In the sky blue and clear
    Now I won't see you again ... "
  • Decimalegio
    Decimalegio 15 May 2021 16: 32
    0
    In fact, everyone knows that the MADE in CHINA brand is synonymous with quality. laughing
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 16 May 2021 10: 18
      0
      Already is .... it was also with the Japs ...... at first their crafts were so-so, then they became high-quality.
      1. Decimalegio
        Decimalegio 16 May 2021 19: 28
        -1
        Perhaps in the future "Made in China" will be the same as "Made in Japan", but today is not the same day. Can i ask you?? Where is the quality of the Russian dry or its Chinese copy?
    2. bk316
      bk316 16 May 2021 13: 24
      -1
      that the brand is MADE in CHINA

      In general, MADE in CHINA is not a brand.
      Here are Apple, Intel, Motorulla, Aibiem, Nvidia, these are brands. They all shout that quality is synonymous. And yes, all they produce is MADE in CHINA:laughing:
      1. Decimalegio
        Decimalegio 16 May 2021 19: 33
        -1
        Getting China to produce is one of the biggest mistakes Western capitalists make. People who think only about profit and nothing else. Hope the epidemic has opened up someone's eyes
  • rocket757
    rocket757 15 May 2021 17: 09
    +1
    DO NOT CHECK the actual technique !!!
    Conversations, around the bush, will be endless!
  • pytar
    pytar 15 May 2021 17: 31
    0
    These are funny Chinese! lol The program for the production and operation of the F-35 is one of the most public, it is constantly covered by the media! And practically nothing is known about the Chinese J-20. How many defects he has, what characteristics, sheer fog! It is easy to criticize the one who is visible to everyone, especially when you are silent about your problems, as if you are dumb ... bully
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 15 May 2021 17: 33
    0
    Maybe then they will finish it by the 6th generation, but for now ...
    Correctable defects are products that, after elimination of defects and re-processing, can be used for their intended purpose.
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    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 15 May 2021 19: 15
      +2
      Quote: Mini Mokik

      What can you buy? The striped ones give you billions of dollars free of charge, and you “buy” American planes for these dollars. You are simply sponsored as a prostitute who infects a certain, unpleasant US contingent with gonorrhea.

      By itself. laughing
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 16 May 2021 10: 20
      0
      They are not forced to quarrel and fight with other Jews ... ... there is no contradiction. There are Arabs around who, if they win, will not play democracy. For Jews, they are no better than the Germans during the Second World War. And they will not be able to repeat the losses of those years.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 May 2021 11: 08
    0
    Quote: Decimalegio
    In fact, everyone knows that the MADE in CHINA brand is synonymous with quality. laughing

    It is in vain that they and the Koreans already make cars better than the Germans. laughing
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 16 May 2021 19: 56
    0
    "In a number of parameters and characteristics," the Fu-35 surpasses even the MiG-29 of half a century ago. 9-12 like?
  • Tagan
    Tagan 17 May 2021 08: 00
    +1
    Quote: Aaron Zawi

    You will be tormented to see them. Believe me, our radars are no worse than yours. Checked. hi

    As we begin to believe someone, so first of all the Jews))) why are the penguins so nervous about the S-400? Tested Your Radars Are Better?
    You have a plot meter by meter.