War between Israel and Hamas: Causes, Victims and Prospects

On May 10, 2021, Palestinian groups, primarily Hamas (Islamic Resistance Movement), began shelling Israeli cities and towns with rockets. Most of the missiles are fired from special silos equipped in the northern part of the Gaza Strip. In response, the Israel Defense Forces proceeded to apply aviation strikes on the Gaza Strip.

Currently, the Israeli side claims about a thousand rockets fired by Hamas into the country. In turn, Palestinians report the death of large numbers of civilians, including children, and serious destruction. For example, in Gaza, the 13-story Burj Khanadi building, which housed the Hamas headquarters, was destroyed. In turn, due to rocket attacks, he was forced to temporarily stop flights at the Ben-Gurion airport in Tel Aviv.

About the reasons and reasons

The formal cause of the conflict was Hamas's intercession for the Palestinians who staged riots in East Jerusalem. The Islamic Resistance Movement says it wants to protect the Al-Aqsa Mosque, which is sacred to all Muslims. The riots on the Temple Mount, in turn, erupted after the Israeli authorities' decision to evict several Palestinian Arab families from the Sheikh Jarr area in East Jerusalem. In place of the old Arab houses, the Jerusalem authorities want to build a new residential area, but the Palestinians are against this decision.

Another reason for the unrest was the government's decision not to allow Muslims to enter the Temple Mount on Monday, May 10, Jerusalem Day. The Palestinians found this decision offensive to themselves. Despite the fact that Israel has deployed a large number of police officers in Jerusalem, including border police officers, clashes in the streets of the city continued on Tuesday 11 May.

But plans to build a new residential area and a ban on visiting the Temple Mount during Jerusalem Day are purely formal reasons. The real reasons for the new round of the conflict are much more serious and they are well known to everyone.

The underlying causes of the new upsurge in violence have not changed. It is the open wound of the unresolved conflict between Jews and Arabs, disfiguring and cutting the lives of several generations of Israelis and Palestinians,

- writes American journalist Jeremy Bowen.

The permanent confrontation between Israelis and Palestinians has been going on for more than seven decades, and there is no end in sight. The Israeli authorities are not going to retreat from their positions, but the Palestinians also intend to fight. For several generations, Palestinian Arabs have been born and raised in constant conflict. To fight against Israel is a national idea for them.

Destruction and sacrifice

This time, Hamas has demonstrated its ability to inflict quite tangible damage on Israel. Under a hundred wounded, there are dead, large destruction in several Israeli cities at once. Although the Israelis are ready for such a development of events, and the country lives in a paramilitary regime, yet Hamas missiles flew into Israeli cities quite unexpectedly.

The official representative of the Israel Defense Forces, Hidaya Zilberman, describing the situation with the use of the Iron Dome air defense system, noted that about 200 missiles fell on the territory of the Gaza Strip itself, and in general, Israel's air defenses reflected 85-90% of the missiles fired by the Palestinians. But some of the missiles were still able to reach Israeli cities, homes and other objects.

In Ashkelon, the first rocket hit a residential building and injured a 40-year-old man, his wife and two children. Then another rocket killed two Israeli women. The total number of missiles fired at Ashkelon on Tuesday May 11 alone was 150. Another 137 missiles Hamas fired at Ashdod.

The Israel Defense Forces, in turn, on Tuesday reported the defeat of 500 targets in the Gaza Strip. The targets hit in Israel have been called terrorist targets used to launch rockets or coordinate terrorist actions. Also, the Israeli military reported the destruction of a number of prominent Palestinian figures, including the leader of a special artillery group of one of the Islamist organizations, Samah Abed al-Mamluk, the head of the Hamas military intelligence security department Hassan Kaoji, and the head of the Hamas counterintelligence department Wali Issa.

Prospects for conflict resolution

At present, it is still premature to talk about an imminent end to the armed confrontation between Israel and Hamas. First, the Israeli authorities demonstrate their determination to defend their interests by all possible forces and means. Israel has long pursued a policy of tough reaction to any hostile actions on the part of the Palestinians. In particular, the Israeli authorities will not leave unanswered the death of peaceful Israelis and great destruction in Ashkelon, Ashdod and other cities. The attacks on the Gaza Strip continue.

Secondly, Hamas has also existed for many decades and throughout its entire stories declared itself as an implacable enemy of Israel. Now the position of Hamas has significantly strengthened thanks to the support that the Islamic world provides to it. It should be noted that the Palestinian Arabs now have a very ambitious and serious defender - Turkey, led by Recep Erdogan.

The Turkish President has already stated the need to mobilize the entire Islamic world against Israeli aggression. Even formal allied relations with the United States do not prevent Erdogan from making such statements: the Turkish president has long put his authority in the Islamic world above maintaining good relations with Washington.

In this regard, the question arises, will the current conflict between Israel and Hamas lead to a larger-scale war in the Middle East? Of course, the entry of the same Turkey into the war on the side of the Palestinian radical organization looks like a fantastic scenario, but after all, open participation in the conflict is one thing and help is quite another. weapons, money, the same fighters. It is unlikely that the West in this case will be able to stop Erdogan, at least through diplomatic measures.

The Arab and Islamic world is not at all what it was in the 1950s and 1980s. Demographic growth and religious radicalization are doing their job: the confrontation between Palestinians and Israelis may become more difficult just for the Israeli side.

However, the Arabs do not have unity: the same Saudi Arabia will not be interested in expanding Turkish influence in the immediate vicinity of its borders, Egypt will take the same position. On the one hand, the Saudis and Egyptians, as devout Muslims, cannot help but verbally support the Palestinians speaking in Jerusalem, but on the other hand, if it comes to real action, these Arab countries are unlikely to support the Palestinian movement.

At present, Egypt, for example, is already acting as a mediator between Israel and Hamas, and this speaks volumes: in the 1960s, such a scenario was difficult to imagine. Saudi Arabia called Israel guilty of escalating tensions in the region, but the kingdom could not react in any other way, another question is - what actions are the Saudis ready to take to support the Palestinians? So far there is an impression that things will not go further than loud statements.

Comments

[Cananecat]

Didn't Israel, evicting the Palestinians, know what the consequences could be? Was this the first time? Israel itself is not interested in a peaceful resolution of the conflict, like Ukraine in the Donbass. It is very similar to the fact that under this conflict, the Israeli leadership decided to bring the solution of several issues at once, from internal political issues to the elimination of a number of persons from the opposing side. If they have achieved some success in this, then the conflict will soon subside.

[Dude]

Didn't Israel, evicting the Palestinians, know what the consequences could be?

They all knew perfectly well, Bibi just needed a Little Victorious War ™. I don't want to go to the bunk ...

[Cananecat]

Quote: Dude

Bibi needed a Little Victorious War ™

This war will not save from the bunks, or rather the scale of this war, it can postpone, but it will not save ...

[I'm walking by]

The sect of Bibi's witnesses, who arranged the conflict, drove up. Even if we forget that the litigation about illegal development lasted for years, and now they just rejected the last appeal and assume that Bibi could have arranged it all ... with a fig now? I would have done it before the elections, or at least at the stage of coalition formation by the Likud.

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: I'm going by

the litigation for illegal development lasted for years

Since the 70s, EMNIP.

[TermNachTer]

So now, Bibi will be able to get hooked for a much longer period if they can prove his evil intent. The Jewish opposition is hysterical. In general, the problem is much deeper and broader than the author writes. The problem began in 1967, when Israel occupied territories that were taken over by the Palestinians and to this day does not want to give them up.

[Trapp1st]

In general, the problem is much deeper and broader than the author writes.

Everything that the author wrote can be put into an ode to the phrase: the insidious Palestinians have gone crazy, the Jews innocent victims are forced to defend themselves.

[TermNachTer]

It depends on which side you look at))) but you have to look since 1946, when Britain's mandate for these territories ended.

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: TermNachTER

it is necessary to watch since 1946, when Britain's mandate for these territories ended.

Why not just from this mandate? What was written in the mandate, what did Britain actually do?

[TermNachTer]

By mandate, Britain owned these territories and, accordingly, maintained order there. Although they did not do it very well. When the Britons left, chaos began, and, moreover, on both sides. When the state of Israel arose, with the support of wealthy London, New York and other Jews, the lawlessness went to the full. Because, from one country, the state with all the attendants - the army, special services, prisons, etc., and on the other, all kinds of popular movements, liberation fronts, and so on.

[Cherry Nine]

Under the mandate, these Turkish territories were temporarily transferred to Britain for the establishment of a Jewish state there. Moreover, both present-day Palestine and present-day Jordan. Britain immediately restricted the entry of Jews and donated these lands to its Arab friends.

[TermNachTer]

Soyuznichki, following the results of the First World War, many there "naparili"))) and Kurds, and Jews, and Arabs, and other smaller nationalities. After World War II, the situation repeated itself. But there is no need to make the "extreme" Britons, everyone was good there. The USSR was among the first to recognize Israel, of course not out of love for the citizens of the Jewish faith.

[voyaka uh]

"The problem began in 1967, when Israel occupied ..." ///
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But the Palestine Liberation Organization was founded in 1964.
Three years before that.

[TermNachTer]

Did the PLO and Yasser Arafat personally attack Israel in 1967?

[voyaka uh]

The Feddains attacked Israel regularly from 1948 to 1967. They made cavalry raids deep into Israel. From the West Bank, occupied by the Kingdom of Jordan in 1949. And from Gaza.

[TermNachTer]

Of course, Jews are white and fluffy))) let's not shift from one head to another))) both sides are to blame, but the Jews are more.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Dude

Bibi just needed a Little Victorious War

There is such an opinion

[boriz]

They all knew perfectly well, Bibi just needed a Little Victorious War ™. I don't want to go to the bunk ...

He had been planning it since winter.
https://cont.ws/@boriz56/1989020

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Dude

Bibi just needed a Little Victorious War

Here's what you can get your hands on BIBI FIRED THE CAPITAL OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL WITH 4 ROCKETS
Yes, the Arabs did not have enough intelligence for such nonsense!

[I'm walking by]

Israel evicted "Palestinians" from the house, which they occupied illegally at the request of the owner, satisfied through the court, what kind of garbage there is about the new area - no idea. Now, since the Arabs are "provoked" from anything to allow them not to comply with the laws, or what?

[Dude]

Now, since the Arabs are "provoked" from anything to allow them not to comply with the laws, or what?

The transfer of the capital to Jerusalem itself - was it, you say, also not a provocation? And the Jews also did not seize the Palestinian territories?
I am far from sympathetic to Arab politics, but I am equally disliked by Israeli politics.
Both sides are good. But this particular crisis is certainly inspired by the State of Israel.

[I'm walking by]

What are the Palestinian Territories?

[Dude]

Quote: I'm going by

What are the Palestinian Territories?

The West Bank of the Jordan River, for example.
And, in general, it is difficult to deny that since 1948 the territory of Israel has somewhat, hmm ... increased.
At whose expense, I think it's clear.

[I'm walking by]

The Jordan River apparently has a bank to the west. Why is he a Palestinian territory and when Israel took it away from Palestine?

[Dude]

Quote: I'm going by

The Jordan River apparently has a bank to the west. Why is he a Palestinian territory and when Israel took it away from Palestine?

Are you a crooked bot, or are you trying to sketch thickly?

[Dude]

Quote: I'm going by

No, I'm just really trying to track down the history of Palestine and Israel's aggression against it. Zionist propaganda hints that the territory to the west of the Jordan is called Judea and Samaria, and the first formation of the "Palestinians" possessing at least partial rights to some territory is the Palestinian autonomy within Israel, but apparently you adhere to a different version and you know what and when Israel took away from Palestine, but for some reason you are shy to explain to me.

Oh, yes, you are not a bot, since you began to be ironic. Well, if you cannot find "the history of Palestine and Israel's aggression against it" (aggression against history is, of course, strong , but, I understand - Russian is not your native language, you might not know about the fly off hat, you should not read A. Chekhonte ) - I can only tell you - go for it! The seeker, let him find. Start with Resolution 181 and the percentage of land occupied by Jews and Arabs in 1947.

[I'm walking by]

So I am familiar. In 1947, a resolution was issued, which, according to the UN Charter, had a recommendatory character on the division of the territory, which, according to the 1922 resolution of the League of Nations, which was obligatory and recognized by the UN, was intended as a national house of Jews into the Jewish and "Palestinian" part. The Jews in general agreed on the basis of this resolution to conclude a treaty and precisely in the text, and to discuss the details, but received the answer "this will be a war of annihilation, lightning-fast slaughter, which will be remembered in the same way as the massacre of the Mongols or the crusades." after which the Arab-Israeli war begins. Do I understand correctly that if the resolution, which has a recommendatory character and was rejected by the Arab side, makes the territory Palestinian, then on the basis of the agreement on the division of spheres of influence, Western Poland is German? Or is my account of events missing something again?

[Dude]

Or is my account of events missing something again?

Certainly misses. Would you deign to tell me: if the recommendatory resolution of the General Assembly, based on ... and so on, etc., does not make the territory Palestinian, then, clarify, what makes this territory Jewish?
PS Let's not come here, the Third Reich with Poland, Crimea with Ukraine and Ulster with Great Britain, otherwise we will climb into such a jungle! ..

[I'm walking by]

Of course, there are many factors starting from the history of Israel and ending with the already binding decision of the League of Nations of 1922. Okay, if we leave the analogies, answer directly - how can a recommendatory document rejected even by the Jewish, but by the Arab side can confirm their right to do anything and how an attempt to negotiate, and then defense against an attempt at genocide, is aggression?

[Dude]

Quote: I'm going by

Of course, there are many factors starting from the history of Israel and ending with the already binding decision of the League of Nations of 1922. Okay, if we leave the analogies, answer directly - how can a recommendatory document rejected even by the Jewish, but by the Arab side can confirm their right to do anything and how an attempt to negotiate, and then defense against an attempt at genocide, is aggression?

The League of Nations, at the time of the discussed events, has long since rested in Bose, so, with this argument - bypass.
Yes, I urge you, if possible, to distance yourself from analogies, as any analogy suffers. It is precisely that it was the Israeli side that that resolution was accepted... And then she was solemnly flushed down the toilet.
I do not deny the right of Jews to their state, in any case! But, in my opinion, the Arabs living in this territory have the same right.
You write about many factors, starting with the history of Israel, and you are absolutely right. But why, then, do you deny the same many factors, starting with the history of the Arab people?
Israel was absolutely right in realizing the right to protection from genocide, and rightfully poured out the Arabs in the first number, protecting their people. But you will not deny that Israel is pursuing an extremely aggressive, often openly aggressive policy towards its neighbors? And, in my opinion, he often does this not compelledly, for reasons of protection and security, but simply, frankly taking advantage of impunity, which does not add to his liking. An example is the founding of Jewish settlements in the West Bank.
Let me emphasize again: I am far from sympathy for Arab politics as well as for Jewish.
Looking through the pogrom footage at night, I did not see no the difference between pogroms perpetrated by Arabs and pogroms perpetrated by Jews.
So, IMHO: guys, you are worth each other.

[I'm walking by]

"The League of Nations, at the time of the discussed events, has long since rested in Bose, so, with this argument - bypass."
Once again, I urge you to open the UN Charter and see that the decisions of the League of Nations are binding on the UN without a note about putting some of them down the toilet, and the decisions of the General Assembly are exclusively recommendatory, not binding anyone.

"That's right, that it was the Israeli side that passed that resolution. And then it was solemnly flushed down the toilet."
It was recognized as the basis for negotiations that fell through. There is also no official document signed by Israel recognizing the right of Arabs in the territory from 1947.

"But why, then, do you deny the same multitude of factors, beginning with the history of the Arab people?"
The Arab people can live in the original Arab territory, they even allocated a part (two-thirds, to be exact) of the so-called. Palestine, Jordan will. If you endlessly divide an already small area in half, in the end there will be a number tending to zero, besides the idea that the Arabs need to increase their land by one percent for the world at the expense of half of the Jewish ... smells like hypocrisy?

"But you will not deny that Israel is pursuing an extremely aggressive, often openly aggressive policy towards its neighbors? And, in my opinion, it often does this not forcibly, for reasons of protection and security, but simply, frankly taking advantage of impunity that does not add to his liking. As an example - the establishment of Jewish settlements in the West Bank. "

No, I will deny this nonsense. From the fact that you call Judea and Samaria the West Bank, it will not cease to be Jewish. Israel's "aggression" is aimed exclusively at countries that do not recognize its very right to exist and instantly transforms with the signing of a peace treaty, as was the case with Egypt and Jordan. And when he makes concessions unilaterally, as happened in Oslo or Lebanon, he receives missiles from Hamas and Hezzbalah, who believe in his weakness and the ability to put the squeeze on the conflict.

"did not see any difference between the pogroms perpetrated by the Arabs and the pogroms perpetrated by the Jews.
So, IMHO: you guys are worth each other. "
He looked bad. The Arabs openly declared that they would commit genocide, and the first shot of the war for independence was the shooting of a truck with schoolchildren from machine guns. In the territories seized by Jordan and Egypt in 48, no one thought to give citizenship not only to Jews, but even to local Arabs. The Arabs in Israel still have such a valuable opportunity to stage a pogrom and even two parties in parliament approving of this pogrom because the Israeli government did not even go to forcible deportation after the victory.

[Dude]

"did not see any difference between the pogroms perpetrated by the Arabs and the pogroms perpetrated by the Jews.
So, IMHO: you guys are worth each other. "
He looked bad. The Arabs openly declared that they would commit genocide, and the first shot of the war of independence was the shooting of a truck with schoolchildren from machine guns.

Shine !!!
I tell you about today's night pogroms, and you tell me about the War of Independence !!!
And so in everything ... Well, what is the difference between the Jewish and Arab pogroms that took place last night ?! Some pogroms are good, others are bad ?! In my opinion, both are disgusting.
I already understood that you are deaf to the voice of reason and logic.
It's a pity, you give the impression of an intelligent interlocutor.
I see no reason to continue our dispute, thanks for the interesting communication.

[I'm walking by]

As you say, I don’t presume to dispute your experience of viewing video recordings, if this is all that you have, I don’t dare to delay.

[bk0010]

Quote: I'm going by

and the first shot of the war for independence was the shooting of a truck with schoolchildren from machine guns.

Yes? Why not some action by Irgun or LYOKHI?

[I'm walking by]

Because they happened before the war, your cap. If you are interested in the first murder before the war, you can look at the pogroms with hundreds of victims arranged by the Arabs long before the formation of the Irgun and Lehi.

[I'm walking by]

No, I'm just really trying to track down the history of Palestine and Israel's aggression against it. Zionist propaganda hints that the territory to the west of the Jordan is called Judea and Samaria, and the first formation of the "Palestinians" possessing at least partial rights to some territory is the Palestinian autonomy within Israel, but apparently you adhere to a different version and you know what and when Israel took away from Palestine, but for some reason you are shy to explain to me.

[TermNachTer]

When these lands, after the end of the British mandate, were divided between Jews and Palestinian Arabs, the situation was completely different. And for themselves, these lands were raked by Israel after the 1967 war. This is where the Jerusalem problem begins.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: TermNachTER

When these lands, after the end of the British mandate, were divided between Jews and Palestinian Arabs, the situation was completely different. And for themselves, these lands were raked by Israel after the 1967 war. This is where the Jerusalem problem begins.

you categorically throw information on a topic in which you (at all) do not understand anything.
it looks like your history education in the Middle East originates in a few average YouTube videos.
I bet you think the heights in northern Israel are Dutch and Transjordan is a kind of sexual minority for you.

[TermNachTer]

Basically I don't watch YouTube. About sexual minorities - you need it on other sites. Let's on the topic - where and what I said incorrectly, but only with facts, not your conclusions.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: TermNachTER

Basically I don't watch YouTube. About sexual minorities - you need it on other sites. Let's on the topic - where and what I said incorrectly, but only with facts, not your conclusions.

read what was the mandate that England received.
looked at the map of the land assigned to the "Jewish national hearth" at the beginning and at the end. and then decide who and whom "raked" how much.

League of Nations in 1920:

The League of Nations in 1922. decided that the Jews would have too much land and cut off not much for the invented TransJordan:

UN 1947.Since the business of stripping the land from the Jews went well, they decided not to rest on their laurels:

and you say that it was the Jews who raked it under themselves?
Wait a little more, we would have allocated a plot of land on the sea.

[TermNachTer]

So explain, did the Arabs take away from the Jews or gave it to the Arabs, by the decision of the UN? And then the Jews decided that they had divided it wrong and decided to redistribute it in their favor - is this correct from any point of view?))) And who attacked whom in 1967?))) Moreover, I want to remind you that there and then, " threw "not only Arabs and Jews, but also Kurds. But for some reason the Kurds did not attack Iraq or Syria))))

[Maki Avellevich]

I will not give a lecture, there are excellent articles by Privalov on the topic on VO.
If the thirst for knowledge is close to you, read it.

[TermNachTer]

A couple of comments up, you accused me of illiteracy, incompetence, etc. I asked for facts, you give me links to some unknown citizen. The argument is deadly)))

[Maki Avellevich]

Do you read Terminachter articles here or just watch pictures?

[TermNachTer]

Sometimes I read, but rarely, only if the author is worthwhile. I have to watch at least something, due to the complete intolerance of YouTube))))

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Dude

The West Bank of the Jordan River, for example.

For example, Jordan took him away from the Palestinians. And for 20 years she was somehow not embarrassed by illegality, international non-recognition, etc. But when Israel took these lands from Jordan, then the international opinion for some reason became very important.
Py.Sy.
With the gas sector and completely garbage. He was taken from the Palestinians by Egypt, if chu. Israel, though not immediately returned the gas to the Palestinians. But ... He is white and fluffy, and Israel is terribly awful. Funny, isn't it?

[Dude]

The West Bank may have been annexed by Jordan, but it is Israel and no one else that organizes ethnic cleansing and builds its settlements there.
Funny right?
And to be honest, I don't see anything funny in what is happening there.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Dude

but it is Israel who arranges ethnic cleansing and builds their settlements there,

Actually, the first ethnic cleansing in Jerusalem was started by the "impoverished and oppressed" Palestinians. Read about the events of 1948. In jerusalem. And yes. A certain al-Husseini was in charge of this fascinating process. An employee and admirer of a certain Schicklgruber, and an active figure in a modest organization called ss. Released by the Yugoslavs at the persuasive request of the Arab League. and enthusiastically embarked on what he enjoyed in Europe during WWII.
Remind me what exactly we celebrated not so long ago? Ninth of May? It's somehow difficult for me to realize that a week has not yet passed since Victory Day, and some are already drowning with might and main, for the cause of the last of Hitler, whitewashing them with all their might. For me personally, it is enough that one of the main instigators of the 1947-49 war, a fan of Hitler, worked for him, was an essman with decent experience, so as not to ask the question which side is right and which is not.

[Dude]

Remind me what exactly we celebrated not so long ago? Ninth of May? It's somehow difficult for me to realize that a week has not yet passed since Victory Day, and some are already drowning with might and main, for the cause of the last of Hitler, whitewashing them with all their might. For me personally, it is enough that one of the main instigators of the 1947-49 war, a fan of Hitler, worked for him, was an essman with decent experience, so as not to ask the question which side is right and which is not.

But there is no need to fly Victory in the Second World War to the Arab-Jewish conflict!
You can't pull it by the ears. Nothing in common.
And who are you hinting at when you say that someone is drowning for Hitler's cause? Let me be clearer.
I am not an adherent of Arab politics, from the word "absolutely", just like Jewish politics. My personal opinion is that both sides of each other areоyat.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Dude

And who are you hinting at when you say that someone is drowning for Hitler's cause?

Muhammad Amin al-Husseini is the Mufti of Jerusalem. Hitler's best friend and chief ideologist of the 1947 war against Israel.

[Dude]

Should I find the window where Disraeli is shaking hands with the Fuhrer?
I have said many times - nationalism and eugenics are disgusting. Whoever promoted it - Germans, Russians or Jews.
Questions?

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: Lannan Shi

For me personally, it is enough that one of the main instigators of the 1947-49 war, a fan of Hitler, worked for him, was an essman with decent experience, so as not to ask the question which side is right and which is not.

Not an argument. Since the 48th year, a lot of water has flowed under the bridge.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Dude

The West Bank may have been annexed by Jordan, but it is Israel and no one else that organizes ethnic cleansing and builds its settlements there.

"maybe it was"?
it is difficult to debate without knowing the materiel.
was.

and about "arranges ethnic cleansing" can you be specific, or are you just a word of mouth?

[TermNachTer]

How can you? Ethnic cleansing is the Russians, Serbs and Chinese. Jews, Anglo-Saxons all suspicion and competition)))

[sidoroff]

Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since the formation of the state in 1948.

[Dude]

Quote: sidoroff

Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since the formation of the state in 1948.

In 49th, but it's not that important. Israel proclaimed the capital is Jerusalem, which was recognized by few people, as it went against the UN plan. In 67, he also captured West Jerusalem. Also, of course, not a provocation, not an annexation. Crimea - annexation, Jerusalem - no. Sure, - it's different™

[Trapp1st]

Crimea - annexation, Jerusalem - no. Of course it's different ™

Of course, it's different, if in West Jerusalem 90% of the locals voted to become part of Israel, then how could one compare ...

[sidoroff]

I have to upset you - in West Jerusalem, 100% have already voted for. back in 1948.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Trapp1st

Of course, it's different, if in West Jerusalem 90% of the locals voted to become part of Israel, then how could one compare ...

I dare to remind you. Even during the tsarist regime, 700-800 thousand Tatars were evicted from Crimea. If israel repeats наш experience, 100% of those in Jerusalem will vote to join Israel. No options. Yeah.

[Dude]

Even during the tsarist regime, 700-800 thousand Tatars were evicted from Crimea.

And with whom of the all-Russian autocrats was such a blatant genocide committed? Can you link to the source? True, it's very interesting! (The cat is sitting next to it, I'll turn on the lamp right away, as you will send a link )

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Dude

Can you link to the source? It's interesting, though.

Search option - eviction of Crimean Tatars from the Russian Empire. Sorry generously, but I never pretended to be a collection of links.

[Dude]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Quote: Dude

Can you link to the source? It's interesting, though.

Search option - eviction of Crimean Tatars from the Russian Empire. Sorry generously, but I never pretended to be a collection of links.

In these your Internet, it is customary to call this position "drain".
In a decent society, it is customary to argue their position.
Well, I expected something like this.
When I asked you for a link, I wanted to evaluate the engagement of the resource where you got this information.
Forgive me generously, but at least tell me what historical period do you mean?
You will oblige me very much.

[Dude]

Choose the link you like best. :)

Thanks for the links!
Almost all of them are about the deportation of the Crimean Tatars. in soviet time... A colleague in the forum Lannan Shi mentioned the "royal power" and a certain number - 700 ... 800 thousand people.
In one of the references, still referring to the XNUMXth century, it is recognized that there was no eviction of the Tatars, as such, their mass exodus was caused by the uncomfortable existence of being a citizen of Russia.
Another says the same thing, but mentions certain (not specified) repressions by the authorities of the Russian Empire, undertaken after armed resistance (Sic!) The radical part of the Crimean Tatars, in an attempt to regain their statehood.
In the third, to the Islamic resource (which is reflected even in its name), it was frankly admitted that during the Crimean War the Tatars en masse (tens of thousands) sided with the opponents of the Republic of Ingushetia, which subsequently led to the fact that collaborators preferred to emigrate, in particular, to Turkey.
As required.
I did not see specific figures on the scale of the "deportation" in the listed articles. As well as links to at least some more or less reliable sources.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Dude

In these your Internet, it is customary to call this position "drain"

Laponka, well, if you don't know how to use Google ... Well, read Radiev, for example, the history of Crimea. On the filibust blocked by Roskomzazor, it definitely is. And call the link, I respect the laws. Radiev writes about the loss of the Crimea 3/4 of the population only at the end of the 18th century. If Israel carries out a similar policy in Jerusalem .... There will be no stupid left of those who could vote against.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Dude

And with whom of the all-Russian autocrats was such a blatant genocide committed?

Here it is:



Deportation of Crimean Tatars (Crimean Cat. Qırımtatar halqınıñ sürgünligi, Kyrymtatar khalkynyn sürgünligi) - forcible eviction of Crimean Tatars from Crimea to Uzbekistan and neighboring regions of Kazakhstan and Tajikistan; small groups were also sent to the Mari ASSR and a number of other regions of the RSFSR. The deportation was carried out by the People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs of the USSR on May 18-20, 1944, by decision of the State Defense Committee, signed by its chairman I. V. Stalin, and ended on June 4, 1944.

Law of the RSFSR of April 26, 1991 No. 1107-1 "On the rehabilitation of repressed peoples" recognized the deportation of peoples in the USSR an act of genocide... Article 4 of this law proclaimed that agitation that hinders the rehabilitation of repressed peoples who have been subjected to slanderous attacks is not allowed, and those who commit such actions should be held accountable.

On April 21, 2014, after the annexation of Crimea to Russia, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the rehabilitation of the Crimean Tatar and other peoples who suffered from the Stalinist repressions in Crimea.

[Dude]

Excuse me, but the Chukchi can only write, is he not a reader?
The alleged deportation of Turks from Crimea was discussed before the October Revolution
For the excellent photo of Joseph Vissarionovich - special thanks, with your permission, I will take it to my feed and to the gallery )))

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Dude

The transfer of the capital to Jerusalem itself - was it, you say, also not a provocation?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Dude

And the Jews also did not seize the Palestinian territories?

How many times do you have to write to get it
Since 2005, the Gaza Strip has not NOT A JEWISH NOR MILITARY NOR CIVIL
During the Arab-Israeli War of 1947-1949 Judea and Samaria were occupied and unilaterally annexed by Transjordan (Jordan after their annexation) in 1950, which gave them the name "West Bank" to distinguish it from the eastern bank, which was its main territory before the war.
During the 1967 Six Day War, the West Bank was occupied by Israel. Since 1995, after the signing of the 2nd agreement in Oslo (Oslo-2) between Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), part The West Bank is controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), created as a result of these agreements.
Zone A is under the exclusive jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority;
Zone B is administered by both the Palestinian Authority and Israel;
Zone C ., is ruled by Israel.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS PROMOTION!

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: I'm going by

Israel evicted "Palestinians" from a house that they occupied illegally at the request of the owner, satisfied through the court

Quite a dead topic, actually. The arguments of some owner from 1948 are not so convincing. The usual situation for the old squatter. And this squatter building has been there for 70 years. When people come to you and say, “Your great-grandfather built this house illegally,” it doesn't sound very fair.

[Professor]

Quote: Canecat

Didn't Israel, evicting the Palestinians, know what the consequences could be? Was this the first time?

1. No one was evicted anywhere. Until.
2. The decision to evict was made by the court in which the Arab judge is also sitting. The basis is "illegal construction on land that does not belong to them."

Quote: Canecat

Israel itself is not interested in a peaceful resolution of the conflict, like Ukraine in the Donbass.

... and therefore made peace with Egypt, Jordan and a bunch of Arab countries. Therefore, he withdrew all the troops from Gaza and brought all the Jews out of Gaza ...

Quote: Canecat

It is very similar to the fact that under this conflict, the Israeli leadership decided to bring the solution of several issues at once, from internal political issues to the elimination of a number of persons from the opposing side.

Quite the opposite. Now all the criticism of the Israelis is not against Hamas, but against the Israeli government.

What will happen next?
A ceasefire in a couple of days and a lull for a couple of years. Nobody will occupy Gaza. We don't need this viper. Turkey will continue to shake the air. Israel's army and economy will be further strengthened. Attitudes towards Israeli Arabs will change dramatically. A peace treaty and normalization will be with Saudi Arabia. The next one will be with Hezbollah and will rake off Lebanon as always. The Persians will continue to muddy the waters and finance terror. RF will be out of business.

[Cananecat]

Okay. Let it be a property dispute. But it is possible and necessary to predict the reaction of opponents in advance. Then why is it presented in the media as lawlessness on the part of the authorities? Why is it impossible to carry out such an action in the media so that Hamas with its shelling would break through the next bottom? What forces in Israel itself benefit from this confrontation?

[Professor]

Quote: Canecat

Okay. Let it be a property dispute. But it is possible and necessary to predict the reaction of opponents in advance.

It is your executive branch that can tell the judiciary what to do, while in our country these are independent branches of government. Neither the government nor the president can tell the judge when to make a decision and what decision to make. The judge makes a decision not on a political basis, but strictly on the basis of the law. The law is on the side of land owners, not illegal developers.

Quote: Canecat

Then why is it presented in the media as lawlessness on the part of the authorities?

Shall we discuss the "analytics" of the media?

Quote: Canecat

Why is it impossible to carry out such an action in the media so that Hamas with its shelling would break through the next bottom?

The media do not belong to the state and tell them that we cannot write.

Quote: Canecat

What forces in Israel itself benefit from this confrontation?

Islamic movement and extreme right-wing Jewish politicians. To marginals.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: professor

It is your executive branch that can tell the judiciary what to do, while in our country these are independent branches of government. Neither the government nor the president

Wait, don't speed up. Can you find the truth among the Jews, or ... is it useless?
1. First, you informed (not you personally) that the court (the most humane court in the world ) satisfied the claim of the OWNER of the apartments and made a decision on the forced eviction of the tenants. Now you are claiming that the building itself was illegally built, so a decision was made to demolish it. And suddenly there is information that the buildings are being demolished in order to make way for the construction of a new residential quarter, against the construction of which the Arabs are protesting. And, as I understand it, no Arab should live in this new quarter? Where is the truth, Izya ?!
In any of these cases, the court acts legally, but ... having said A, it is necessary to say B, and oblige the authorities to provide the evicted with housing.
2.

Quote: professor

The judge makes a decision not on a political basis, but strictly on the basis of the law. The law is on the side of the land owners, and not

What law is "professor"? The decision of the city authorities to build a new quarter is the law according to which the court decides on the forced eviction of people?
In a non-Nazi state, the court would have decided on the provisional provision of housing, subject to the consent of the evicted to the housing provided. It shouldn't be any worse. And the costs of resettlement were to be borne by the city authorities.
In this case, none of the Arabs would be outraged.
3. = Another reason for the unrest was the decision of the authorities not to allow Muslims to enter the Temple Mount on Monday, May 10, Jerusalem Day. =
On what grounds is discrimination based on ethnicity? This is pure Nazism! Are Nazism and Zionism twin brothers?
How would the world community react to the ban on Jews from visiting Red Square on the day of the city of Moscow? That would be howling!

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

1. First, you informed (not you personally) that the court (the most humane court in the world) satisfied the claim of the OWNER of the apartments and decided to forcibly evict the tenants. Now you are claiming that the building itself was illegally built, so a decision was made to demolish it. And suddenly there is information that the buildings are being demolished in order to make way for the construction of a new residential quarter, against the construction of which the Arabs are protesting. And, as I understand it, no Arab should live in this new quarter? Where is the truth, Izya ?!
In any of these cases, the court acts legally, but ... having said A, it is necessary to say B, and oblige the authorities to provide the evicted with housing.

Separate the flies from the cutlets. The buildings were not legally built on land that does not belong to the current residents. The court ruled to demolish the buildings and return the land to its rightful owners. Nothing has been demolished yet. The court is not interested in the ethnicity of the residents or owners. Arab judges also sit in the court. How the legal owner will dispose of the land is his business.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

What law is "professor"? The decision of the city authorities to build a new quarter is the law according to which the court decides on the forced eviction of people?

Not. There is a property law. There are also city laws. Illegal developers are being evicted by a court decision, not a municipality.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

In a non-Nazi state, the court would have decided on the provisional provision of housing, subject to the consent of the evicted to the housing provided. It shouldn't be any worse. And the costs of resettlement were to be borne by the city authorities.
In this case, none of the Arabs would be outraged.

You know better about life in the Nazi state. We do not represent any alternative property to legitimate invaders of someone else's property. The costs of eviction, legal fees, and house demolitions are entirely borne by lawbreakers.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

3. = Another reason for the unrest was the decision of the authorities not to allow Muslims to enter the Temple Mount on Monday, May 10, Jerusalem Day. =
On what grounds is discrimination based on ethnicity? This is pure Nazism! Are Nazism and Zionism twin brothers?

I absolutely agree with you. The Israeli government has banned Jews from climbing the Temple Mount. Any Jews. Nazism. Access was not restricted to Muslims. Sometimes Muslims are restricted by age limit. Usually young people under 40 years old. The Temple Mount cannot accommodate everyone. It is not rubber.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

How would the world community react to the ban on Jews from visiting Red Square on the day of the city of Moscow? That would be howling!

How did she react to the ban on Jews from visiting the Temple Mount? Are you in a puddle? Normally?
https://lechaim.ru/news/politsiya-zapretila-evreyam-poseshhat-hramovuyu-goru-v-tisha-be-av/
Police banned Jews from visiting the Temple Mount on August 11, due to heightened sectarian tensions, due to the coincidence of Jewish and Muslim holidays centered around the holy sites that have become a "hot spot".

https://cursorinfo.co.il/israel-news/glava-politsii-zapretil-evreyam-poseshhat-hramovuyu-goru/
Police General Inspector Kobe Shabtai, following a meeting with the heads of the department, decided to ban Jews from visiting the complex on the territory of the Temple Mount on Jerusalem Day.
Thus, to the territory of the Temple Mount on Monday, May 10, only Muslims will be allowed

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: professor

Separate the flies from the cutlets.

Separating. What is the fault of the tenants? How do they relate to illegal construction? The claim should not be against them, but against the developer. But they are punished, forced eviction is the punishment, namely the tenants who have nothing to do with the dispute between the developer and the owner of the land. I am sure the owner of the land is a Jew. How could he become the owner of land in the Arab quarter? Yes, easily! He's a Jew!

Quote: professor

How did she react to the ban on Jews from visiting the Temple Mount? Are you in a puddle? Normally?

No, it is you who deliberately avoid identifying a causal relationship.
Initially, there was a ban for the Arabs to visit, and when they were outraged and riots broke out, for security reasons, for dear Jews, and "forbidden" them to visit.
Just compare the ban and the ban in connection with the riots. Can you catch the difference? Who is in the puddle?
I use the information provided to me by the VO. Therefore, it is better for you not to talk about a puddle, because if you are not right, then it is not my fault.

Quote: professor

The Temple Mount cannot accommodate everyone. It is not rubber.

Then access should be limited in number, and not by nat. sign.
Ascended the mountain 100 people, that's it, the barrier is closed. 20 people descended from the mountain, an entrance for 20 people opens, etc. Normal people do. And you have everything on nat. sign. Nazism, however.

[Professor]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Separating. What is the fault of the tenants? How do they relate to illegal construction? The claim should not be against them, but against the developer. But they are punished, forced eviction is the punishment, namely the tenants who have nothing to do with the dispute between the developer and the owner of the land. I am sure the owner of the land is a Jew. How could he become the owner of land in the Arab quarter? Yes, easily! He's a Jew!

Stop talking nonsense. It hurts!
They are tenants and / or zasroiychiki. However, it doesn't make any difference. Let the tenants sue the developers who handed over the illegally built housing to them. The property is returned to its rightful owners. Even if they are Jews.

How was a Jew able to own land in the Arab Quarter in the 1940s, before the creation of Israel? I bought it, CEP.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

No, it is you who deliberately avoid identifying a causal relationship.
Initially, there was a ban for the Arabs to visit, and when they were outraged and riots broke out, for security reasons, for dear Jews, and "forbidden" them to visit.
Just compare the ban and the ban in connection with the riots. Can you catch the difference? Who is in the puddle?
I use the information provided to me by the VO. Therefore, it is better for you not to talk about a puddle, because if you are not right, then it is not my fault.

You sat down in a puddle and sit. Muslims on Ramadan banned from climbing the Temple Mount? I haven't heard any greater delirium for two weeks ..

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Then access should be limited in number, and not by nat. sign.
Ascended the mountain 100 people, that's it, the barrier is closed. 20 people descended from the mountain, an entrance for 20 people opens, etc. Normal people do. And you have everything on nat. sign. Nazism, however.

Bravo. You need to go to the premieres. Better for the presidency. Or you can go straight to the Mufti of Jerusalem. You will have namaz for 20 people. So to speak in turn. Not 5 times a day at the call of the muezzin, but according to the schedule of the barrier. Give advice on a cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity. (Bulgakov)

The Jews were not allowed on the Temple Mount. And only JEWS.
100 (one hundred thousand Muslims) were admitted to the Temple Mount. There was no more room.

We decided so without asking you and we will continue to decide for ourselves on the simple basis that this is our territory, and not yours or Fylystyn's. The question is closed.

I won’t feed anymore.

[Cherry Nine]

Hmm, I think there are 2 different stories here.
1. Activities of Hamas. There are no questions here. Hamas has no place on Earth.
2. What is happening inside Israel. Temple Mount, Jerusalem Day, Lod, all these stories. Here, I think, there is a lot of room for criticism of the Israeli authorities.

[Iris]

What forces in Israel itself benefit from this confrontation?

Islamic movement and extreme right-wing Jewish politicians. To marginals.

My God, are there still extreme right-wing politicians in Israel? ..
For a T-shirt with Kahane, as I was told, you can at least get a fine, or even sit down "for propaganda." The mention of Gandhi's ideas evokes reactions ranging from a frightened look to hysteria. Politicians who claim to be right in their campaign sheets are racing to find an alliance with Arab parties.
There used to be those to the right of whom only the wall. And to the right of today are ordinary citizens - residents of Sderot, Ariel and Metula ..

[bk0010]

Quote: Canecat

... But it is possible and necessary to predict the reaction of opponents in advance.

If the Israeli prime minister had no problems, then there would be no kipesh. He agreed with the Palestinians so that they urgently begin to excite on some occasion (well, as the Jews say). And they also say that this prime minister will be imprisoned immediately after his resignation, but for now he cannot be imprisoned in office, although there is a reason (nonsense, IMHO: a criminal in power is a pitchfork).

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Canecat

Didn't Israel, evicting the Palestinians, know what the consequences could be?

If you hand over your property to the Palestinians in Ryazan, and then they refuse to move out, they will be thrown out by the police. If they start to simply threaten with terrorist attacks, they will already be jailed. Easy and durable. Without thinking about the consequences. And if the Palestinians start shelling our territory ... Remind me on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX? When, for shelling the soldiers, even if ours, but on a foreign land, the troops almost reached the capital of Georgia. And you, everything written above, does not bother you in the least. Why should Israel behave like the poorest sufferer on earth ... There is a great mystery.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Remind me 08.08.08? When, for shelling the soldiers, even if ours, but on a foreign land, the troops almost reached the capital of Georgia.

Quote: Lannan Shi

Why should Israel behave like the poorest sufferer on earth ...

Not that Jew became bad that he eats his bread,
And the fact that living in his house,
So become soulless and fierce,
What began to resist the pogrom!

Py.Sy. Israel is capitalized.

[zenion]

Apart from that, the current ruler of Israel wants to remain in the rulers for life and therefore will not give the opportunity to create a coalition and a new government without him. If the government is created without the current ruler, then the prison will shine. Let the Israelites know that they are nothing without him and they can be used for minced meat for cutlets. This is why such a situation was created and the guilty one thinks in such a way to stay at the helm and not get on the bench of the official seat.

[zenion]

There were only two choices - prison or war. I chose war. At the same time, they managed to stop the creation of a coalition against the one who chose the war and made a provocation.

[Woodman]

On May 10, 2021, Palestinian groups, primarily Hamas (Islamic Resistance Movement), began shelling Israeli cities and towns with rockets.

And since May 10, Israel has not been a jackal in Syria ...

[sidoroff]

how you skillfully exposed the real customer and inspirer of this war - the Islamic Republic of Iran. They hope that while the Arabs will be buried in the tunnels in Gaza, it will be possible to plant more weapons in Hezbollah.

[knn54]

History of the conflict?
During the Six Day War (1967), the West Bank was annexed by Israel.
For about 10 ... 15 years, the Jordanian authorities temporarily (without granting citizenship) settled in Jerusalem several families of Palestinian refugees.
Jordan does not claim this land, considering that it belongs to Palestine.
It turns out that the Israeli authorities waited until Jerusalem received the status of the capital.
Or is it a coincidence - just started with them.

[Professor]

Quote: knn54

During the Six Day War (1967), the West Bank was annexed by Israel.

Yah? Annexed?

Quote: knn54

It turns out that the Israeli authorities waited until Jerusalem received the status of the capital.

Jerusalem received the status of the capital of Israel on December 5, 1949

Teach materiel.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: professor

Jerusalem received the status of the capital of Israel on December 5, 1949

The right to determine which city is the capital is an integral part of the state's sovereignty. By contesting this right, the sovereignty of the country is actually being challenged. But it is senseless and absurd to do this with a self-sufficient and successful state recognized by the world community and existing for more than half a century.

[A. Privalov]

Since 1948, Trans-Jordan for 19 years held in its hands Judea and Samaria, now bashfully but politically correct called "the western bank of the Jordan River" and half of Jerusalem divided by a wall of concrete, thorns and abandoned houses. Trans-Jordan, which later became simply Jordan, did not give its citizenship to any of the inhabitants of Samaria and Judea.
In 1967, the Israelis pushed the Jordanians out to the old Jordanian border and liberated Jerusalem.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: A. Privalov

Since 1948, Trans-Jordan for 19 years held in its hands Judea and Samaria, now bashfully but politically correct called the "West Bank

What do the words - "held in her hands" mean? Those. she, Trans-Jordan, forcibly seized and retained the territory of Israel?

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

seized and retained the territory of Israel by force?

The territory of an imaginary Palestinian state. Well, you may have heard, the UN resolution, 2 people - 2 states, all this garbage.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Cherry Nine

The territory of an imaginary Palestinian state.

What does imaginary mean? On the territory of Trans-Jordan, by a UN decision, a territory was allocated, by the way with the best lands, for the creation of Israel. The Arabs were not even asked - do they agree with this section or are there any objections? Hence the conflict and sacrifice. And this will continue until they return to this issue - a fair division of the territory.

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

On the territory of Trans-Jordan, by a UN decision, a territory was allocated, by the way with the best lands, for the creation of Israel

Sorry, just the opposite. It was on most of the territory of the state of the Jews that Transjordan was created by the decision of the British. Israel and the Palestinian State were created, funny coincidence of the name, in Palestine. No, Palestine is not Jordan. But Jordan did not snap its beak and quickly occupied everything, until the Jews got tired of these violent neighbors. And it was only when the Jordanians were pushed across the river that the very Palestinian people and their right to self-determination appeared. While Israel was bordering on Jordan, the Palestinian people were somehow lost somewhere.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Cherry Nine

Sorry, just the opposite. It was on most of the territory of the state of the Jews that Transjordan was created by the decision of the British.

What kind of state of the Jews? What kind of geographic news is this?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

question - a fair division of the territory.

Are the Russian Federation and Japan (from the position of the Russian Federation), the Kuril Islands fairly divided?
So for Israel, everything is fair, and whoever disagrees - to that:

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: And Us Rat

Are the Russian Federation and Japan (from the position of the Russian Federation), the Kuril Islands fairly divided?

Don't confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs. Nobody divided the Kurils, they went to the USSR as compensation for the damage caused by Japan to the USSR. Japan would behave peacefully, and no one would take the Kuril Islands (4 islands) from her. And the division of Trans-Jordan was carried out by the UN at the request of the Jews to create Israel as a state. And the partition was not carried out fairly in relation to the Arabs. Therefore, the eternally smoldering conflict.

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

compensation for damage caused by Japan to the USSR.

As far as I remember, the USSR attacked Japan, and not vice versa.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And the division of Trans-Jordan was carried out by the UN at the request of the Jews to create Israel as a state. AND

This is when the UN divided Jordan? I don’t remember.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Cherry Nine

As far as I remember, the USSR attacked Japan, and not vice versa.

Run to school, learn the history of the USSR. Khalkhin Gol and Lake Hasan says anything to you? Does constant provocation on the border during the war mean anything either? The USSR eliminated the potential danger to its borders and, along the way, fulfilled allied obligations.

Quote: Cherry Nine

This is when the UN divided Jordan? I don’t remember.

Blame - Palestine. By the way, Jerusalem, which you chopped off illegally, should be under international control, like Bethlehem. By UN decision. But the UN Jews are not a decree, are they? If her decisions do not match the wishes of the Jews.

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Run to school, learn the history of the USSR

If you ever appeared in such an institution, you might find out that p. Khalkin-Gol is in China, and Khasan is one of the episodes of the famous Soviet military instinct, when the Far Eastern Front appears on July 1, and on July 29, the confused Japanese military clique strikes an unprovoked blow on the positions opened 2 weeks earlier.
But, as I understand it, you did not intersect with the school.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Does constant provocation at the border during the war mean anything either?

Well, this is already meanness. The Japanese behaved like bunnies throughout the war. As it turned out, in vain.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

The USSR eliminated the potential danger to its borders

The peculiarity of the USSR of those years - wherever its border was, it always makes sense to eliminate the potential danger and attack a neighboring country.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

along the way fulfilled allied obligations.

Yeah.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Blame - Palestine

Well, the "international community" has one opinion, Israel has another. And, by the way, the community, represented by countries that have borders with Israel, has long since clarified its opinion. After the appropriate suggestions.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

But the UN Jews are not a decree, are they?

Of course not. Who might even be interested in these clowns?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Cherry Nine

that p. Halkin Gol is located in China,

Everyone, except you, of course, knows that the aforementioned river flows in Mongolia on the border with Manchukuo (there was such a state. Oh, forget it, otherwise your head will hurt)

Quote: Cherry Nine

and Khasan is one of the episodes of the famous Soviet military instinct, when 1

Enough, this knowledge of yours is from the same opera as Khalkhin Gol.

Quote: Cherry Nine

Well, this is already meanness. The Japanese behaved like bunnies throughout the war.

Exactly all? Or maybe they haven't slapped the Germans near Moscow yet?

Quote: Cherry Nine

The peculiarity of the USSR of those years - wherever its border was, it always makes sense to eliminate the potential danger and attack a neighboring country.

Well, it's already your meanness to make such statements. Or historical illiteracy mixed with meanness.
V, Vysotsky would say so - "You read the wrong books as a child"

Quote: Cherry Nine

Of course not. Who might even be interested in these clowns?

Here Gulchatay opened her "face" Zionism = fascism.

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Everyone, except you, of course, knows that the aforementioned river flows in Mongolia on the border with Manchukuo

You shouldn't think that "everyone" had the same difficult relationship with the school as you do. Many, I will not argue, but not all. Mongolia and Manchukuo existed mainly in the statements of the Soviet and Japanese press. And so it was the Chinese regions occupied by the USSR and Japan, respectively.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Your knowledge is from the same opera as Khalkhin Gol.

Yes indeed. Only knowledge is not acquired in the opera, someone deceived you.
By the way, the Zaozernaya hill, which was heroically defended by the Red Army, is located in China. Well, that is, the Red Army in the 38th had a different opinion on this issue, but the Red Army was eventually corrected.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Well, it's already your meanness to make such statements. Or historical illiteracy mixed with meanness.

Of all the countries that had a land border with the USSR in the 22nd year, in the 53rd year, he did not attack only one Turkey. Territorial claims were put forward to Turkey in 45, but nothing was released, the Americans got in.
But the USSR (directly the army or the healthy forces headed by the USSR) managed to attack a dozen countries with which in the 22nd it had no border. Germany and Italy were the first to attack the USSR. Look like that's it.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Zionism = fascism

Fascism is when the 4th elections and 2 years cannot form a government? Yes, all fascisms have fascism, even Ukraine, to such a booth, still live and live.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Cherry Nine

You shouldn't think that "everyone" had the same complex

The whole post is sheer nonsense. It makes no sense to disassemble.

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

It makes no sense to disassemble.

Really. Well-known and easily verified facts are listed.

[gsev]

Quote: Cherry Nine

Mongolia and Manchukuo existed mainly in the statements of the Soviet and Japanese press. And so it was the Chinese regions occupied by the USSR and Japan, respectively.

Mongolia became an independent state under Ungern. The alliance with the USSR after the overthrow of Ungern made this independence stable. The militarists in Manchuria and Xinjiang had the folly to conflict with the Red Army and the USSR. Now we are watching how Pashinyan, after conflicts with the Russian government, surrenders the independence of Armenia.

[gsev]

Quote: Cherry Nine

Well, this is already meanness. The Japanese behaved like bunnies throughout the war. As it turned out, in vain.

Japan waged a coalition war in alliance with Hitler. Its generals simply decided that the time had not come for the implementation of the "ripe persimmon strategy". The USSR decided to eliminate the results of Japan's aggression against Korea, China and Russia, and at the same time to eliminate the threat from this country.

[Cherry Nine]

Yes Yes. The USSR loved and knew how to eliminate threats preemptively. A couple of times it didn't grow together, but usually it did.

[gsev]

Quote: Cherry Nine

The USSR loved and knew how to eliminate threats preemptively.

Is it bad that since September 1945 the Chinese and Koreans have been liberated from the Japanese yoke? Toynbee, looking at how effectively the Japanese oppress the Koreans, even denied the Koreans the right to have and develop their own civilization different from the Japanese.

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: gsev

Is it bad that since September 1945 the Chinese and Koreans have been liberated from the Japanese yoke?

The government of post-war Japan against comrade Kim and Comrade Mao? You know, the yoke has its advantages. I would say to a fig of pluses.

Quote: gsev

Toynbee looking

Who might care about Toynbee's opinion other than the tenth graders? Even in junior years, intellectually safe people will not be able to take him seriously.

Quote: gsev

Mongolia became an independent state under Ungern

The father-tsar also entered Mongolia, however, without the Bolshevik directness.

Quote: gsev

Union with the USSR after the overthrow of Ungern made this independence sustainable

Yes, it was a wonderful union. Comrades Paljidiin Genden and Anandyn Amar will not let you lie.

Quote: gsev

The militarists in Manchuria and Xinjiang had the folly to clash with the Red Army and the USSR.

The Red Army and the USSR are not the structures with which one can afford not to conflict. Countries that tried to coexist peacefully regretted it, often sooner rather than later.

Quote: gsev

Pashinyan, after conflicts with the Russian government, surrenders the independence of Armenia.

How interesting. And to whom does Mr. Pashinyan surrender the independence of Armenia? Who suddenly needed it, the independence of Armenia?

[gsev]

Quote: Cherry Nine

You know, the yoke has its advantages. I would say to a fig of pluses.

Go to any Korean resource. They do not see any advantages in the Japanese occupation. Korea occupies a leading position in development in the world.

[Cherry Nine]

South Korean? Yes, the American occupation is probably better. But you spoke about the DPRK, if I'm not mistaken.

[gsev]

Quote: Cherry Nine

South Korean? Yes, the American occupation is probably better. But you talked about the DPRK

I don't know Korean. I recommend to look at koryo-saram.ru/100-letie-bitvy-pri-ponodone You can look at the Russian-speaking segment of the Internet on the links. "Battle of Ponodong". "General Hong Bom Do", "March 1, 1919", "The Justice Army". For the past 5 years, South Korean sources in the Russian segment have dominated over North Korean ones, nevertheless, representatives of the South Korean parliament and government at commemorative events in honor of the participants in the struggle against the Japanese invaders stand almost at attention and do not hesitate to cry. Now in South Korea, the memoirs of Kim Il Sung, a participant in the guerrilla war against the Japanese, are openly distributed and enjoy quite high attention and respect.

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: gsev

Now in South Korea, the memoirs of Kim Il Sung, a participant in the guerrilla war against the Japanese, are openly distributed and enjoy quite high attention and respect.

Yes, Kazakhstan is surprisingly tolerant of communists, although it would seem.

Quote: gsev

nevertheless, representatives of the South Korean parliament and government at commemorative events in honor of the participants in the struggle against the Japanese invaders stand almost at attention and do not hesitate to cry

For some reason, you continue to compare South Korea with the "Japanese yoke", which the USSR not only did not liberate, but also tried to destroy. The initial thesis concerned the territories liberated during the actions of the USSR in August 45.

[gsev]

Quote: Cherry Nine

The initial thesis concerned the territories liberated during the actions of the USSR in August 45.

I meant all of Korea. Her release began immediately after the occupation. The events of March 1919, the partisan war in Primorye and Manchuria, the massacre of the Japanese in Nikolaevsk on the Amur - all these are stages of the struggle for the liberation of Korea.

Quote: Cherry Nine

Yes, Kazakhstan is surprisingly tolerant of communists, although it would seem.

In his memoirs, Kim Il Sung noted that Lee Seung Man turned to the USSR for help in liberating Korea from the Japanese. But he was refused and after that he worsened his opinion about the USSR. In addition, the social system in the DPRK has little in common with what was in the USSR and the Warsaw Pact countries. There is a monarchy.

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: A. Privalov

In 1967, the Israelis pushed the Jordanians out to the old Jordanian border and liberated Jerusalem.

)))
Agree, this decision was not only pluses. The Jews could never afford to slaughter Palestinians the way the late Abdullah did.

[Zaurbek]

All are good there .... to quietly drag more than 1000 missiles to the borders of Israel, you also have to manage ....... there the Mossad listens to everything, looks and everyone knocks at each other.

[Trapp1st]

to quietly drag more than 1000 missiles to the borders of Israel

Initially, these were water pipes.

[Zaurbek]

And RDX ....? Fuses ....... the production of this all.? This whole plant has to rivet.

[Trapp1st]

This whole plant has to rivet.

People are trying. If you want peace, prepare for war.

[Cherry Nine]

Unfortunately no. The nearest cities, perhaps, but much more serious products reach Tel Aviv.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Zaurbek

All are good there .... to quietly drag more than 1000 missiles to the borders of Israel, you also have to manage ....... there the Mossad listens to everything, looks and everyone knocks at each other.

Why drag missiles to the border? well, you give the right!

Arabs are not wise, they shoot straight from the streets of their hometown.
and faster and civilians do not hide behind a sin.

[Zaurbek]

This is what I mean .... there is all Gaza under the hood

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Zaurbek

This is what I mean .... there is all Gaza under the hood

Let's say you are a Mossad officer and you know that there is a missile warehouse in the basement of a 5-storey residential building.
what are your actions / proposals to the government?

[Zaurbek]

1.Concrete bomb ... 1 hour warning. Slow fuse.
2. Destruction about loading and unloading. Production must be supplied and finished products must be exported

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Zaurbek

1.Concrete bomb ... 1 hour warning. Slow fuse.
2. Destruction about loading and unloading. Production must be supplied and finished products must be exported

everything is so simple. you apply your understanding of warfare to the enemy. in reality you look like this. Under the Shifa hospital building in Gaza there is a Hamas multi-tiered bunker.
command post and ammunition depots.
they know that we will not lift the hospital. the entire top is hidden there behind (under) the backs of patients and staff.
these are the pies with kittens.

[Zaurbek]

Now in yours (ours are not) there are bombs with small charges ... very accurate. You can think of something ..

[flicker]

On May 10, 2021, Palestinian groups, primarily Hamas (Islamic Resistance Movement), began shelling Israeli cities and towns with rockets.

The author is well done!
It turns out it all started with this.
Or maybe so:

How did it start?

The situation in Israel and the Palestinian territories deteriorated sharply in April this year with the onset of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. On the pretext of ensuring security, Israeli police banned Arabs from gathering on the steps at the Damascus Gate of the Old City, where Muslims traditionally gathered for the festivities. This led to protests and clashes between the Palestinians and the police. Calls for attacks on Jews began to circulate on social media. A widely circulated video of an Arab teenager slapping an Orthodox Jew on a Jerusalem tram. There have also been several attacks by Palestinians on Jews. Knives were most often used as weapons.

The situation was further fueled by the decision of an Israeli court to evict several Palestinian families from East Jerusalem. Tel Aviv believes that this area belongs to Israel. De facto, this is true, because in 1948, during the military conflict, the Jews captured this part of the city from the Palestinians. However, de jure, the area is considered Palestinian, which is confirmed by the UN Security Council resolution.


QUESTION ANSWER
Who's Who in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict?
As a result, on the night of May 8-9, large-scale clashes between Palestinians and Israeli police began in Jerusalem. The police used rubber bullets, water cannons and stun grenades, and protesters threw stones and fireworks at them. More than two hundred people were injured on both sides.

The toughest clashes occurred on May 10 ...

Before May 10, something had already happened ...

[yehat2]

In place of the old Arab houses, the Jerusalem authorities want to build a new residential area, but the Palestinians are against this decision.

Another reason for the unrest was the government's decision not to allow Muslims to enter the Temple Mount on Monday, May 10, Jerusalem Day. The Palestinians found this decision offensive to themselves. Despite the fact that Israel has deployed a large number of police officers in Jerusalem, including border police officers, clashes in the streets of the city continued on Tuesday 11 May.

Well, here's another refutation of the Jewish fairy tale about peaceful Israel
This is a fascist state and it has proven this many times.
I find it difficult to answer who is worse, Israel's neighbors or himself, but one thing is quite obvious - there are definitely no good ones there.
It’s interesting for me to see how pro-Israel-minded commentators here again start to post something like “they started it themselves”.
This entire conflict, involving heavy weapons, is entirely on the conscience of the Jerusalem authorities.

[I'm walking by]

Cozy maniac. The Arabs regularly organize riots on the temple mountain, after which they run away to the mosque so that when they come to rake them up yelling about the attack on the holy place, especially often - during Israeli or Islamic holidays, which was the reason for the temporary restriction on visits. I won't even comment on the manner of calling everyone you don't like a fascist.

[yehat2]

Quote: I'm going by

aner to name everyone you don't like

Well, here's the jitter again. Why such dastardly methods?
I will not call you a fascist. And just a troll.
What difference does it make where the Arabs are hiding? Is this the basis for their eviction?
If official Israel declares a course towards peaceful coexistence, how is this consistent with purges and tanks?
It is certainly necessary to fight the radicals, but not by force, but primarily by an idea, because what the "Muslims" do quite rarely fit into the Koran. And in Israel for a long time, apart from skillful revenge, I see nothing in politics. Moreover, evictions are taking place not only in Jerusalem. This tune has been sung for more than a dozen years in different territories. I understand why the Arabs are so psychotic and I understand how skillfully Israel repaints them as frostbitten terrorists. If the Israeli leadership wanted a peaceful life not at the expense of others, the methods and events would be different.

[I'm walking by]

Horses and people mingled in a heap. Several Arabs were evicted from a house that was illegally built on a territory that did not belong to them at the request of the owner through the courts, as has been reported on several occasions. Why is it fascism to demolish illegal squatter construction and how is it connected with the mosque?
How the idea should be fought with those who want to kill you and what methods are needed for this, I have all my attention.

[yehat2]

Quote: I'm going by

built illegally on a territory that does not belong to them at the request of the owner through the courts, as has already been written about many times. Why demolish illegal squatter

excuse me, this is when Jewish owners suddenly appeared in the historic Muslim quarter? What are you trying to constantly pull the owl onto the globe?
and we are not talking about one house, but about massive pressure on eviction, displacement and seizure of territories, which has been going on CONSTANTLY and FOR A LONG TIME.
Can you remind all of us on what terms Israel assumed control of Jerusalem?
And where is the clause on ethnic cleansing?
In addition, Israel's entire approach relies on commodity-money and usurious relations, which are not always applicable to Muslims. And everyone understands this very well. But every time they pretend not.

[I'm walking by]

It just so happened that they owned this land before the occupation of it by Jordan, which in the period between 1948 and 1967 turned a blind eye to the squatter because it served its interests.
From whom and on what terms did Israel take control of Jerusalem? It seemed to me that he repulsed it by repelling the Arab aggression in 48 and 67, but if I am wrong, you can state your version. And what kind of ethnic cleansing in which the number of Arabs is only growing?

[yehat2]

Quote: I'm going by

can you state

many grumble about the transition to you, but I will adhere to the constructive line
after the capture of a part of the city from Jordan, and, I stress, as a result of Israel's attack on Egypt and the subsequent chain of events, i.e. Israeli aggression.
there is a law on Jerusalem, 1980, where Israel wrote what it does with the city what it wants
there is a decree of the UN Security Council that Israel is doing in Jerusalem - lawlessness and he is obliged to leave this city and the law on Jerusalem is invalid (resolution 478)
another fact, 23% of Israelis demanded not to expand in Jerusalem - this is an official government poll (67% support the absence of any restrictions).
These are events 35-40 years ago.
And now to today
1. Israel's status in the historical part of Jerusalem is an occupier, not recognized by anyone but himself. Those. in the eyes of Muslims, the Israeli administration has no right to change anything there.
2. Israel's city law states that Israel CARES for the welfare of the city's residents. How does the anti-Arab policy match this? There are double standards for the implementation of the law on a national basis. And this is Nazism in its purest form.

And finally, the key
the existence of the rights of the Jewish community is linked to
"the mandate was granted exclusively for the" renewed construction "of ancient Judea and the implementation of the Balfour Declaration", in addition, the mandate excludes any contradiction to the decisions of the League of Nations.
no tin, which is done by modern Israel, was not envisaged.
By violating these rules, Israel deprives itself of the right to the territory it occupies.
There is only one moment for tricks - there is no league of nations, but there is a UN, which is created on the basis of the league of nations.
And the Yom Kippur War is a direct consequence of Israel itself violating the terms of the community's mandate. In the eyes of the neighbors, they can legally expel those who have no right to live there. This is the legal side of the conflict.

What follows from all this? What follows is that I do not understand what rights Israel has, contrary to the decisions of the UN Security Council. The stay of the Jewish community on the lands of Palestine has conditions that must be met. Excuse me to carry them out, lawless people.

I will not go into details, but whoever needs it will find everything point by point,
starting from the conference in San Remo.

If you ask for more details, I am not a historian, find those who are engaged in this.
The main thing I have outlined is that the Jewish community does not fulfill the mandatory conditions of the mandate for its stay in this territory and in the eyes of international law is no different from the Somali pirates

[I'm walking by]

"Israel's attack on Egypt" happened after Egypt illegally blocked the Suely Canal for Israeli ships, declared that it was ready to throw Jews into the sea and began to pull troops to the border. Jordan was asked not to interfere in the conflict, the king refused. Prior to that, both Egypt and Jordan refused to recognize Israel's right to exist. What an aggressive Israel it turns out to be.

"there is a law on Jerusalem, 1980, where Israel wrote what it does with the city what it wants"
And there is no international body with the authority to deprive a sovereign state of the right to freedom of the capital.

"the mandate was exclusively for the 'renewed building' of ancient Judea and the implementation of the Balfour Declaration," and the mandate also excludes any conflict with the decisions of the League of Nations. "
The mandate grants Israel all of its present-day territory, including Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and Gaza. And the document according to which the UN is the League of Nations does not exist, only that the UN recognizes the past decisions of the League of Nations as legal.

"CARES for the well-being of the city's residents. How does the anti-Arab policy match this?"
There is a policy of maintaining the rule of law, including property rights. Anti-Arab politics exists only in propaganda and in the heads of the gullible.

"And the Yom Kippur War is a direct consequence of Israel itself violating the terms of the community's mandate. In the eyes of the neighbors, they can legally expel those who have no right to live there."
In 1947, long before any violations, the Arabs refused to recognize the mandate and the right of Jews to live according to its conditions, and in the Yom Kippur War they fought for the restoration of the mandate, and not for the same reason as in 47 - non-recognition of the right of the Jewish state to exist in any kind?

[yehat2]

Quote: I'm going by

unlawfully blocked the Suely Canal for Israeli courts

yes, he blocked ships, but he didn’t fight
Why did Israel start the war?

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: yehat2

yes, he blocked ships, but he didn’t fight
Why did Israel start the war?

you probably don't know but the blockade is casus belli.

although as the classic said:
"... who has eyes, but does not see, who has ears, but does not hear"
Jeremiah 5:21

therefore I will no longer torture you with facts.

good night, I'll go drink beer on the balcony.
listen to how our people give the Arabs in the gas to light a cigarette, since it's not far from my balcony. although I admit they snap back.

[yehat2]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

you probably don't know but the blockade is casus belli.

You probably don't know that only Israel has such a rich spectrum of incidents.
Even the United States, which is the champion in unleashing wars, is more modest.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: yehat2

You probably don't know that only Israel has such a rich spectrum of incidents.
Even the United States, which is the champion in unleashing wars, is more modest.

Will you give examples or will it be superfluous?

[yehat2]

superfluous, because already bored.
it takes half a year and I start showing everything over again from scratch.
if you are interested, find out for yourself. Suffice it to look at the number of UN Security Council meetings on Israeli military activity.
Everything will become clear at once.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: yehat2

Suffice it to look at the number of UN Security Council meetings on Israeli military activity.

All clear. You judge geopolitics by the number of UN meetings.
No more questions.

[yehat2]

stop carrying a blizzard, I indicated only 1 source
you don't understand anything, just look for a reason to troll.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

All clear.

Don't feed him. This is a well-known VO "exposer of Israel" He is not interested in your facts and proofs, he can be sophisticated in demagoguery here until the end of time.
Let him campaign for what he wants, smart people can check all the information themselves and expose his distortions of facts and bias.

[yehat2]

Quote: And Us Rat

Don't feed him. This is a well-known VO "exposer of Israel".

I'm not a whistleblower. It’s just disgusting to hear how good Israel is and how sorry it is.
But you, the exposer of your invented trolls, would be better off - you write nothing except spam.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: yehat2

It's just disgusting to hear

What a terrible and nightmarish Israel, a direct branch of hell according to your statements. Why is your extreme better?
Or do you physically pleasure the Jews to water with slops? You are an ordinary anti-Semite, for a trivial reason - you NEVER FOR LONG YEARS said about Jews or Israel, not only positive, but even neutral. And this does not happen, common sense is against. So you are deliberately biased, or even a fanatic.
The bad man is shorter.

[yehat2]

Quote: And Us Rat

What a terrible and nightmarish Israel, a direct branch of hell according to your statements

if you had bothered not to lie, but to quote, then the "branch of Nazism" would have sounded.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: yehat2

superfluous, because ...

There are no arguments, fresh training manuals were not brought up, and cheap demagoguery made everyone sore.

[yehat2]

Quote: And Us Rat

fresh training manuals were not brought up

oh how, come on, tell me whose manuals I am waiting for
everyone will be extremely interested

[And Us Rat]

Quote: yehat2

whose training manuals am I waiting for

There was one here in VO, under the nickname "quilted jacket", moonlighting for the Iranian Foreign Ministry. And as "sang", Goebbels would have died of envy. Israel was directly declaring universal evil, they say, Israel will not become - peace and love will reign on the planet, diseases will disappear and there will be no need to die. He almost promised a second coming.
That's suspiciously very similar to your rhetoric.

[yehat2]

Quote: And Us Rat

That's suspiciously very similar to your rhetoric.

So it's just suspicion after all?
ugh, let it go, so you can continue to outsource to Iran
Or maybe I am performing the task of the Chilean securitate? Be sure to check this version too!

[yehat2]

so that there is no war, the Israelis should prove not to me, but to the Arabs that they have legal rights. This hasn't happened for many years. But there is a constant conversation from the position of weapons and strength. I have described only a part of the claims, and not fictitious ones, to show that the problems are not only there, but only increase.
I have no complaints about Israel, only about the morality that the country's leadership uses.

You can say "you made it all up" as much as you like, but this will not make real problems go away. Why does this topic bother me? Because my classmate was killed by one of the Israeli helicopter pilots while shelling the city in the process of building "peace and prosperity." How she interfered with Jewish happiness is a mystery to me. This is to be clear.

[I'm walking by]

He started the war because there were no fools sitting there and saw that Egypt was preparing to attack, to value survival above the illusory chance of getting approval from those who want your death is a very valuable quality for survival.
I don’t know from what position it’s better to prove, but when in 1948 Israel proposed to resolve the conflict in strict accordance with international law there was a war and none of the Arabs even supported him with a word, and now peace has been concluded with many negotiable states, from the old treaty with Egypt to new ones in recent years. But those parties with whom there is no peace insist on the complete elimination of Israel as a state, and not some claims to the letter and spirit of the law.

[yehat2]

Quote: I'm going by

because no fools were sitting there

those. if we attack the Balts, if at least one "non-fool" appears at the headquarters, is that how it should be? And what, then, is Germany condemned for unleashing a war?
They had no less reasons and reasons.

[I'm walking by]

I repeat to you once again that Egypt has not officially signed peace with Israel since 1948, openly declared that it would destroy it and began to draw up troops to implement this. If you think that in this situation the Israeli government was not right, great, I'm glad you're not in it.

[yehat2]

I'm not going to tell who is right.
surely the Egyptians had a motive to say so.
I am looking at events and methods.
soaking spherical terrorists in a vacuum is cool.
and when they called someone else terrorists and began to level the suburbs, it’s not so cool anymore.
and it's even less cool when completely left-wing people just accidentally fall under the distribution. No, is it wrong with you?
There is no doubt that Israel is doing the right thing?
Or is the preventive liquidation of scientists and activists whom Israel considered dangerous - is that also cool? Well, I can also understand the murder of an atomic scientist back and forth. Not to justify, but to understand.
But the murder of the general, the architect and the mullah somehow does not fit into any gate at all.

[I'm walking by]

Terrorists are those who are members of a terrorist organization or commit single acts of terrorism. Yes, the IRGC too. The way to fight without casualties among the civilian population, especially when the warring side intentionally uses hospitals and schools as firing points, alas, has not been invented, but Israel is trying to minimize them as much as possible, unlike the Arabs, who intentionally scorch civilians.
Doubt is the essence of human nature, but my greatest doubt is your moral authority after claiming that Israel should have let Egypt attack first. The thought arises that following your standards, which are so high for Israel and low for its opponents, is incompatible with life.

[yehat2]

Quote: I'm going by

alas, not invented

here it is, cynicism.
invented - not to fight.
when it comes to you that the solution of issues by violence does not give anything in the end, except for even more hatred. In history, only one method of solving this problem is known - complete genocide and Israel is moving towards this. He is stopped only by international opinion, so everything is done quietly or necessarily with a cover of an excuse like Hamas - these are bad, if they are in the city, then the whole city is bad.
Let's level it up! What is your math? If 1 terrorist was killed and 10 of the civilians were killed - there is nothing to be done, this is required by the highest interests of the Jews? This is how it works right now in Palestine.
What do you think the Arabs sleep and see how to make rockets and fire them in your direction?
Yes, if they were not angry, they would not need this.
Hamas is using the peaceful people as a cover - it's true. But instead of interacting with the administration to force the police force out all the "left" people, what is going on? Literally everyone hates you and there is no talk of any cooperation.
And why? Of course, because Jews are all white and fluffy and poop with butterflies.

[I'm walking by]

"invented - not to fight"
Do not fight unilaterally - surrender. Demands that Hamas, Hezzbalah, Iran - the complete elimination of Israel as a state.
"Only one method of solving this problem is known in history - complete genocide"
I will repeat once again that Israel is already at peace with everyone in the Middle East who does not insist on its complete destruction. Would you also urge not to fight with the Third Reich? It seems that everything happened even without genocide.
"that's why everything is done quietly"
Such a secret genocide that the number of Arabs in Gaza, in the PA, among the citizens of Israel is growing from year to year, and the Arabs abroad demand to let them back in, and not to shelter them on the spot and protect them.
"Let's level it up! What is your math? If 1 terrorist was killed and 10 of the civilians were killed," rather, three terrorists per one civilian, on average.
"What do you think the Arabs sleep and see how to make rockets and fire them in your direction?
Yes, if they were not angry, they would not need this. "
I repeat once again that not to anger the forces with which Israel is in conflict is not to exist.

[yehat2]

Quote: I'm going by

those who are

you would open an explanatory dictionary so that instead of pulling an owl on the globe, at least to speak seriously. Terrorists are called terrorists not because they are there somewhere, but for the cause.
No criminal code provides for punishment for intentions.
But Israel considers it normal to bomb a potentially dangerous movement in Syria.
Guided by this logic, Iran should long ago have fired its entire arsenal of missiles at Israel. And a simple question arises - who is more humane - Israel, which creates game, but due to the control of the media, is not accused and hides it or an outcast Iran, who is accused of game, but creates it much less.
You accuse a bunch of people of terrorism, but for some reason you do not see that Israel is pursuing an openly Nazi policy towards the Arab population.
And militant Nazism is hundreds of times more dangerous than terrorists.

[I'm walking by]

Perhaps you will stop pulling an owl on the globe and give out one statement more absurd than the other, after each fairy tale they puff your nose into a puddle, what is itching to do? Membership in a terrorist organization is not an intention, but an action - supporting those who commit terrorist acts. Aiding a crime is called, you can even find it in the Russian Criminal Code.
Delirium about Nazism and Israel's control of the media, keep it to yourself, please, do not disgrace yourself.

[yehat2]

Quote: I'm going by

Membership in a terrorist organization is not an intention but an action

typical sophism, which is accepted only by uneducated people.
as you do not replace logic, lies remain lies.
Why are you trying to pass off a property as an action?
Hamas has thousands of members. Are you saying that each of them fired a rocket at Israel and has nothing else to do? You called the organization a terrorist organization and there are terrorists there.
But the teacher, who is also a member of this organization, should be deeply involved in this, he goes from house to house and teaches the children and does nothing else. On what basis did you call him a terrorist?
And the nurse who, based on your statements, also turned out to be a terrorist - what did she do?
Well, tell us, apart from accusations and attacks, at least one statement, confirmed by logic, without any attempts ... to deceive. This is your chance.
Or is it too difficult a question for you? Well, then it is completely incomprehensible how you distinguish a terrorist from a non-terrorist.

[I'm walking by]

Membership in a terrorist organization means joining it and working for it, that is, action.

"There are thousands of people in Hamas. You claim that each of them fired a rocket at Israel and has nothing else to do? You called the organization a terrorist organization and there are terrorists there."

Hamas is a terror organization. Its support is support for terror, including indirect support. However, the goal of eliminating teachers and nurses was never before the IDF, so why these distortions, except for feverish attempts to confirm their statements - no idea

"Well, tell me, apart from accusations and attacks, at least one statement, supported by logic, without any attempts ... to deceive. This is your chance."

Well, for example, I gave you assertions, confirmed by logic and facts, about the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict and about the legal status of certain documents issued by the UN and the League of Nations in response to your nonsense, which has a very weak connection with reality, such as that the Arabs who rejected the resolution and at the time of the release, and at the time of the war in the Yom Kippur War, they fought for violations.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: I'm going by

I repeat to you once again that Egypt has not officially signed peace with Israel since 1948, openly declared that it would destroy it and began to draw up troops to implement this. If you think that in this situation the Israeli government was not right, great, I'm glad you're not in it.

all the vanity of vanities Mark, I am sure you will find here more ... constructive opponent than the esteemed Serge.

[I'm walking by]

I dream everything, but so far they are all either not opponents or about the same.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: I'm going by

Horses and people mingled in a heap. Several Arabs were evicted from a house that was illegally built on a territory not belonging to them at the request of the owner through the courts, as has already been written about on several occasions.

Did you not master the article under discussion?
It also says in white in Russian - demolition of housing for the construction of a new residential complex. In which, as I understand it, no Arab should live.

[I'm walking by]

There is also a lot written on the fence, even about the conspiracy of the Rockefellers with the Rothschilds, but the facts indicate that the housing was demolished on the basis of a statement of illegal development from the owner, filed a few years ago, no information about the residential complex on this (by the way, not the largest, a maximum of a couple of high-rise buildings can be stuck) I have not seen the territory except in this article, and who should care that the rightful owner of stromts on their land is not clear. Incidentally, it is illegal to prohibit selling apartments to Arabs in Israel, at most he can sell everything to Jews himself and tearfully ask not to resell to anyone.

[Shahno]

# By the way, it is illegal to prohibit selling apartments to Arabs in Israel, at most he can sell everything to Jews himself and tearfully ask not to resell to anyone #
In fairness, the mayor's office may recommend that homeowners in a certain area not sell housing to certain groups ... in order to ensure a normal life for citizens.
I would like to make a note of it. Recommend, no orders and by-laws. Whoever wants, can and is free to go against the policy of the mayor's office, you are always welcome.

[I'm walking by]

Actually, this belongs to the category of "tearfully ask".

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: I'm going by

I have not seen any information about the residential complex on this (by the way, not the largest, a maximum of a couple of high-rises can be stuck in) territory, except in this article,

You know, I, live, did not see the Merkava either, but, according to some information, the IDF has it in service

Quote: I'm going by

By the way, it is illegal to prohibit selling apartments to Arabs in Israel, at most he can sell everything to Jews himself and tearfully

Again the ban on nat. sign! And how many such bans are there in Israel? Explicit Nazism. Or rather, Zionism.

[Cherry Nine]

Sorry, but the professor above said that the Temple Mount was closed to Jews. So what's the riot, what's the problem?

[Dym71]

Quote: yehat2

It’s interesting for me to see how pro-Israel-minded commentators here again start to post something like “they started it themselves”.

Commentators from the Promised One are different, but the old-timers of the Israeli group on VO express themselves unequivocally: - "we hammered and we will hammer" and it seems that if no one interfered with them, then these Augean stables have been cleaned out a long time ago.

[yehat2]

Quote: Dym71

then they cleaned out these Augean stables a long time ago

Are you sure that in fact the path to the total annihilation of the Arabs is an adequate solution to the issue?
And who gave the right to the Jews to decide so freely what they can do?
After all, the UN Security Council has more than once adopted completely opposite resolutions on this score.

[Dym71]

Quote: yehat2

Are you sure that in fact the path to the total annihilation of the Arabs is an adequate solution to the issue?

For the Palestinian Arabs, a descendant of the Prophet Muhammad! in the 39th tribe I was sure, took and threw 150 thousand from my country, which is really my modest person ...

[And Us Rat]

Quote: yehat2

And who gave the right to the Jews to decide so freely what they can do?

An absurd formulation of the question. Since when does a sovereign state need someone's permission?

Quote: yehat2

After all, the UN Security Council

This is Orwell's natural Animal Farm. Mafia who decided that they are "more equal" than the rest, and can brazenly and cynically use the "right of the strong" to advance their personal interests under the guise of "the common good." It's time to disperse this "exceptional" club with a filthy broom. It is good that there are countries that can afford to send them through the forest.

[yehat2]

Quote: And Us Rat

An absurd formulation of the question. Since when does a sovereign state need someone's permission?

since when did Israel become a sovereign state?
it exists thanks to the British mandate, according to the rules of the League of Nations, thanks to the treaties concluded by the USSR and is armed with US money.
nifiga self sovereignty

[And Us Rat]

Quote: yehat2

since when did Israel become a sovereign state?

Are you adequate at all? In 1948 he became sovereign, and is recognized as such by the overwhelming majority of countries, count up.

Quote: yehat2

it exists thanks to the English mandate, according to the rules of the League of Nations ...

Have you escaped from an alternate reality? Or are you fundamentally distorting history? Why did the Jews offend you so much?

Quote: yehat2

nifiga self sovereignty

Well, those who wanted to challenge this were (and are) of course, but so far no one has succeeded. You see, the country is sovereign as long as it is able to defend its sovereignty from encroachments, this is an axiom.

[yehat2]

Quote: And Us Rat

while able to protect their sovereignty from encroachments

excellent. We will use this statement.
Refuse American aid, return all US money and equipment, and replay the Yom Kippur War. And together we will see in what state Israel is. If Israel achieves the same results, I will agree. And otherwise - I see no reason based on your own statement.
And now, it turns out, no one will see them.
I'm not going to mock and develop this topic, I just showed you what your arguments are worth.
I propose to think it over and move from slogans and trolling to a more serious conversation.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: yehat2

replay the doomsday war

What is it like? To give in and lose on purpose? I do not even know from which side to consider such nonsense.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Dym71

the old-timers of the Israeli group at the VO express themselves unequivocally: - "we were hammering and we will hammer" and it seems that if no one interfered with them, then these Augean stables have been cleaned a long time ago.

Yes, there were people in our time, not like the current tribe ...

[grigorii]

We sit on shelters under rockets. People are dying on both sides. Many were left without houses and property. The mistakes of the rulers hurt people on both sides. And there is no end or beginning to this powder keg and enmity and hatred.

[yehat2]

Quote: grigorii

And there is no end and no beginning to this powder keg and enmity and hatred

it is worth starting with the pacification of greed on the one hand and baseless arrogance on the other.
when they begin to communicate within the same moral principles, the enmity will disappear.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: grigorii

The mistakes of the rulers hurt people from both sides

These are not mistakes. These are purposeful acts.

[Pandiurin]

"The underlying causes of the new upsurge in violence remain unchanged. It is an open wound of unresolved conflict between Jews and Arabs ..."
- writes American journalist Jeremy Bowen.

The bullshit is complete, the Arab-Israeli conflict has been for many years now, why suddenly, right now, the Jews painfully kicked the Palestinians several times and still got them a sharp reaction to their provocations.

Maybe everything is explained by the problems of the Likud, who is now in power, and Netanyahu, who is under a criminal article and is saved only by immunity. If he loses power, he will be put on trial and in prison.

It is already the fourth re-election in Israel, neither the Likud nor the opposition can win. The government has a conditionally legitimate government that holds on only due to procedural nuances. The confirmed right to power at the expense of elections has long since ended.

The opposition was already ready to unite among themselves and even with the Arab deputies just to overthrow Netanyahu.

And then "accidentally" the Jews greatly offended the Palestinians and several times)
Arab - Israeli confrontation erupted with renewed vigor, and riots broke out in Israel itself, where Arabs are present.
Obviously, the Israeli opposition will not be able to create a government again, and therefore Netanyahu and the Likud will again remain IO.

Well, of course, everyone should understand the Jews and take their side if they are not anti-Semites)

[Shahno]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: professor

It is your executive branch that can tell the judiciary what to do, while in our country these are independent branches of government. Neither the government nor the president

Wait, don't speed up. Can you find the truth among the Jews, or ... is it useless?
1. First, you informed (not you personally) that the court (the most humane court in the world ) satisfied the claim of the OWNER of the apartments and made a decision on the forced eviction of the tenants. Now you are claiming that the building itself was illegally built, so a decision was made to demolish it. And suddenly there is information that the buildings are being demolished in order to make way for the construction of a new residential quarter, against the construction of which the Arabs are protesting. And, as I understand it, no Arab should live in this new quarter? Where is the truth, Izya ?!
In any of these cases, the court acts legally, but ... having said A, it is necessary to say B, and oblige the authorities to provide the evicted with housing.
2.

Quote: professor

The judge makes a decision not on a political basis, but strictly on the basis of the law. The law is on the side of the land owners, and not

What law is "professor"? The decision of the city authorities to build a new quarter is the law according to which the court decides on the forced eviction of people?
In a non-Nazi state, the court would have decided on the provisional provision of housing, subject to the consent of the evicted to the housing provided. It shouldn't be any worse. And the costs of resettlement were to be borne by the city authorities.
In this case, none of the Arabs would be outraged.
3. = Another reason for the unrest was the decision of the authorities not to allow Muslims to enter the Temple Mount on Monday, May 10, Jerusalem Day. =
On what grounds is discrimination based on ethnicity? This is pure Nazism! Are Nazism and Zionism twin brothers?
How would the world community react to the ban on Jews from visiting Red Square on the day of the city of Moscow? That would be howling!

Regardless of personalities, I will impudently interfere in your intellectual conversation ...
I suppose the tough position of the court is dictated by the violation of property rights to land and the erection of illegal buildings on this land ... It is clear that first there will be a notification of the demolition, and then the demolition. What is different in Russia?
Ps. And there it is already a matter of the owner, to whom he will lease, even to the city ...

[Cherry Nine]

Quote: Shahno

I believe the tough position of the court is dictated by the violation of land ownership and the construction of illegal buildings on this land ...

This is a rather old story. Samostroy there 70 years ago. Given the difficulties, it would be prudent for the mayor's office or the state to simply buy this land from the plaintiffs. Obviously it would have been cheaper.
In addition, the topic of "rights" is associated with the change in the legal status of the city during the AI ​​wars. So everything is complicated there, at the time of construction the situation was not the same as it is now.

[Pushkar]

Quote: Cherry Nine

Given the difficulties, it would be prudent for the mayor's office or the state to simply buy this land from the plaintiffs.

So these houses were redeemed long ago, but the Arabs, having received the money, do not vacate the housing. The usual scam.

[Cherry Nine]

As far as I am aware, the story is different. These were the houses of Jews until 48. In 48, when Jordan occupied East Jerusalem, they were handed over to the Arabs. In 67, when the Jordanians were kicked, the houses were returned to the Jews, but in order to avoid the Arabs stayed there on a lease basis. Now the Arabs are being asked for eviction on the grounds that they have become obnoxious.

It would seem that everything is obvious, the right of the owner is sacred. But in this particular situation, in my opinion, the government of Israel should be engaged in systematic uprooting of these stumps here and there. Any of them can blaze completely incomparable to their scale.

Another thing is that all these houses were of no particular importance. Here, as Porthos used to say, "I fight because I fight." Israel had its own circumstances, and the Arabs accumulated their own, with Israel in general not particularly connected. We are talking about the situation with the elections (both in Israel and in the PA) and the relationship between Fatah / Hamas.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

This music will be eternal, no batteries, rechargeable battery

[Shahno]

Quote: I'm going by

Terrorists are those who are members of a terrorist organization or commit single acts of terrorism. Yes, the IRGC too. The way to fight without casualties among the civilian population, especially when the warring side intentionally uses hospitals and schools as firing points, alas, has not been invented, but Israel is trying to minimize them as much as possible, unlike the Arabs, who intentionally scorch civilians.
Doubt is the essence of human nature, but my greatest doubt is your moral authority after claiming that Israel should have let Egypt attack first. The thought arises that following your standards, which are so high for Israel and low for its opponents, is incompatible with life.

Boom hope that Nachman does not drain from boredom ...

[notingem]

I wonder what the Palestinians will eat in the next month? The bosses of course will not suffer

[I'm walking by]

Hopefully someone will understand that it is best to eat their fat bosses.

[Timofey Charuta]

I do not recognize Israeli intelligence - they have lost their scent.

[yehat2]

And what has intelligence to do with it? The conflict was unleashed by the city authorities.
And, for sure, it was not without greed when looking for alternatives that would suit everyone.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

I didn’t understand - why is Damantsev silent? Where are his furious abbreviations ??? Or he can not translate his "RWC-666-SCHB-45-bis with guidance on the astrolabe SCH-18 Ausf.D" into Hebrew ???

[Vitaly gusin]

help with weapons, money, the same militants. It is unlikely that the West in this case will be able to stop Erdogan, at least through diplomatic measures.
And how can all this get to Israel? Do you remember Marmara?
He can only help from the podium
Demographic growth and religious radicalization are doing their job: the confrontation between Palestinians and Israelis may become more difficult just for the Israeli side.
We read the Khartoum Declaration THREE NO ,NO peace with Israel, NO recognition of Israel, NO negotiations with him. Signed by the heads of the countries of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Algeria, Kuwait and Sudan.
Today the world has changed and the Arab countries are tired of the eternal extortions of terrorists. They see how Israel is developing and want to participate with it in the development of their countries and not participate in wars.
Currently, Egypt, for example, is already acting as a mediator between Israel and Hamas, and this says a lot.
Yes, this is so, and many such conflicts could be extinguished thanks to the harsh tone of the Egyptians in negotiations with Hamas, and Israel accepted this mediation. But today the Egyptians returned from Israel without receiving consent.
So far there is an impression that things will not go further than loud statements.
Arab countries tired of pulling chestnuts out of the fire for Hamas
IN THIS REVIEW YOU FORGOT TO WRITE ABOUT ABU MAZAN, who for the first time silently watches Israel save his chair and his LIFE!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: voyaka uh

But the Palestine Liberation Organization was founded in 1964.
Three years before that.

And not on the west bank, but in offices on the Lubyanka.

[Alex Z]

Paradoxically, all of Israel's actions are aimed at maintaining the status quo in the region, in the broadest sense of the term.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Dude

I don't want to go to the bunk ...

Exactly!
Having a pervert son, his wife, who loves to drink another swill at the state expense and a summons to the court, it was difficult for him to resist not to send for slaughter (to the primordially Palestinian lands) the Jews who came from Russia.
And now Proklemlev's (like Solovyov's) and anti-Kremlin singers have merged in shameful ecstasy, defending the poor Zionists on all the airwaves, inflicting "peaceful bomb strikes" on kgovy Palestinian children and women.
It is a pity that progressive Jews will never dare to capture and extradite Netanyahu to the Arabs.
https://t.me/parstodayrussian/72086

[RoTTor]

Israel needs to take an example and learn from Ukraine how to make almost half of its population flee in 30 years of independence.
So, using Ukrainian methods, it is mono to peacefully get rid of the Palestinians and the problems