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India cannot decide whether the promising HAL AMCA fighter will belong to the 5th or 6th generation

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Currently, a large number of promising new fighter projects are being developed in the world. The USA, Russia, China, European countries, Korea have their own developments. India, given the growth of its political and military ambitions, as well as the need to counterbalance the Chinese threat, is also not going to stay away from advanced developments.


The author of the Aerotime publication Valus Venckunas writes that the project of the Indian promising aircraft HAL Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) has been in development for at least 12 years, since 2009, but the exact date of its launch into production in New Delhi still cannot be named. At its best for India, this will be the end of the 2020s. The new aircraft should complement the modernized fleet of the Indian military aviation, which is now proud of HAL Tejas, Dassault Rafale and Su-30MKI.

The new aircraft is expected to have such characteristics as super-maneuverability, low visibility, advanced control systems, that is, all the same distinctive features that the 5th generation fighters F-22, F-35 and Su-57 possess. The Chinese 5th generation fighter J-31 and the South Korean KF-21 are still in development, but many global aircraft manufacturers are already exploring the prospects for the development of 6th generation fighters. In the United States, they claim that the prototype of the 6th generation aircraft is being tested, in Europe they are working on the completion of the FCAS and Tempest projects, Russia and China are still keeping their developments secret, but there is no doubt that they are present.

As for India, ten years ago, officials spoke of the promising aircraft as a 5th generation fighter. However, in 2019, Indian Air Chief Marshal Rakesh Bhadauria, who commanded the Southern Air Command at that time, described the aircraft under development as a 5th generation fighter with "6th generation characteristics." They still cannot decide which particular generation HAL AMCA will belong to.

In 2020, the same Bhadauria announced that India was working on a real 6th generation fighter that could use hypersonic weapon and control a swarm of drones. It is worth noting here that India has been very actively working towards creating its own drones in recent years.

So, in February 2021, a line of new unmanned aerial vehicles HAL Combat Air Teaming System (CATS) was presented, which should complement manned jet aircraft. Accordingly, there is a need for an aircraft that can effectively interact with drones. But its development is a very difficult task, over the solution of which they have been working for years in Russia and in the West, so the ability of India to create its own 6th generation aircraft in the foreseeable future raises certain questions.

It is not yet clear what the new 6th generation aircraft will look like. Valius Venckunas believes that so far there is no reason to assert that the AMCA will be a real 6th generation jet fighter. Most likely, India will create a 5th generation aircraft with one of the characteristics of 6th generation aircraft, and at the time of creation, this technology is unlikely to be competitive in its class.

As for the statement of the Indian marshal, he, most likely, was not talking about a specific aircraft, but about the concept of a 6th generation fighter in general, which is under discussion and the timing of its implementation is unknown to anyone, including the top military leadership of India. ...
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  1. Pivot
    Pivot April 27 2021 11: 42
    +25
    But what difference does it make even to the 7th, let them rank better from this he will not
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 27 2021 11: 57
      +21
      Quote: Pivot
      But what difference does it make even to the 7th?

      Let the rupee be thrown, tails - 5, heads - 6, but the seventh generation can stand on the edge here. There is an option with a hovering coin, but here it is already the ninth generation, because anti-gravity is on the face! laughing laughing
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins April 27 2021 11: 59
        -2
        Everything is much more serious!
        If the tambourine is attached to the back, this is the 5th generation, if to the nose - the 6th.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 April 27 2021 12: 09
          +3
          Not 5th and not 6th. wink
          He will be incomparable.
          If and when will be. bully
          1. NIKN
            NIKN April 27 2021 12: 14
            +7
            Bollywood damn laughing , not moget, but moget ... They have stable national characteristics.
          2. figwam
            figwam April 27 2021 12: 26
            +6
            In India they cannot decide by the 5th or 6th

            There is a lot to do in the coming years.
      2. Pivot
        Pivot April 27 2021 12: 15
        +4
        But what a rupee, let the plane be thrown, if it hangs exactly 9 e. Well, if it falls, then there is no difference which generation will crash anyway.
      3. knn54
        knn54 April 27 2021 13: 27
        +4
        Should we not aim at the Vimana ...
      4. XXXIII
        XXXIII April 27 2021 14: 41
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Quote: Pivot
        But what difference does it make even to the 7th?

        Let the rupee be thrown, tails - 5, heads - 6, but the seventh generation can stand on the edge here. There is an option with a hovering coin, but here it is already the ninth generation, because anti-gravity is on the face! laughing laughing

        And if the rupee disappears in your pocket, then it is already a miracle, not an airplane. laughing
      5. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich April 27 2021 20: 02
        +2
        Quote: Vladimir_2U

        Let the rupee be thrown, tails - 5, heads - 6, but the seventh generation can stand on the edge here. There is an option with a hovering coin, but here it is already the ninth generation, because anti-gravity is on the face! laughing laughing
        Another option is
        the coin de-incarnates ... and again materializes in the fakir's pocket bully
        vimaana
        Sundara Vimana - 7th generation
        Shakuna Vimana - 9th generation
        viman
        Rukma Vimana - 6th generation (it looks like it's already outdated, maybe the Indians, out of old friendship, will sell a few B / U to us ...)
        soldier
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 27 2021 12: 00
      +2
      Quote: Pivot
      at least to the 7th let them rank better from this he will not become

      You shouldn't be speaking so condescendingly! This is plagiarism! The first in the name of the "weapon of the future" was the number 7 used by Zhirinovsky ... do you remember how he threatened the S-700 ?!
      1. Pivot
        Pivot April 27 2021 12: 13
        0
        Nikolaevich, I do not pretend to be the ideas of the bright mind of Vladimir Volfovich, the 7th generation is simply proposed here, because it comes after the 6th.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 27 2021 12: 38
          0
          Quote: Pivot
          the 7th generation is proposed because it comes after the 6th.

          A-ah-ah-ah! Then I realized ... Aha!
    3. skif8013
      skif8013 April 27 2021 12: 11
      +3
      Quote: Pivot
      But what difference does it make even to the 7th, let them rank better from this he will not

      Why waste time on trifles, by the 10th at once.
    4. den3080
      den3080 April 27 2021 12: 44
      +6
      Quote: Pivot
      But what difference does it make even to the 7th, let them rank better from this he will not


      leading designers on their way to work in their design bureau, they go to decide which generation to assign to the new vimaana smile
    5. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer April 27 2021 13: 02
      0
      No, let's go right to the 15th, it will be prettier))))
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 April 27 2021 11: 47
    +6
    India cannot decide whether the promising HAL AMCA fighter will belong to the 5th or 6th generation
    But what difference does it make to that club of "young" model aircraft, write at least the seventh ... anyway, either the donkey dies, or the rajah, without waiting.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 27 2021 11: 48
    +1
    described the aircraft under development as a 5th generation fighter "with the characteristics of the 6th generation"
    Well, they will work on it for another ten years and say that there are 6 generations with characteristics of 7. And immediately the soul will feel better.
  4. Kurare
    Kurare April 27 2021 11: 54
    +1
    Dancing and chanting, this is how you can solve the 5th generation or 6th generation. Or maybe the 25th? Well, this is how they dance.
  5. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 27 2021 11: 54
    0
    "Holy" belief in "what you call a yacht, so it will float ..."?
  6. APASUS
    APASUS April 27 2021 11: 55
    +1
    By the 7th generation for sure. By the time it starts mass production, just the generation will come up. laughing
  7. zwlad
    zwlad April 27 2021 11: 57
    0
    Che really trifling then, immediately to the 7th should be ranked!
  8. International Observer
    International Observer April 27 2021 12: 05
    +1
    India cannot decide whether the promising HAL AMCA fighter will belong to the 5th or 6th generation

    Why the fifth or sixth, it's shallow for India, in vain did they come out of our program? Let them immediately begin to make X-wings from "Star Wars" ... I'm right, it's like living, now I see - they will build a model, decorate it with flowers and start ... singing and dancing, singing and dancing ...))) ))
  9. Gar
    Gar April 27 2021 12: 05
    0
    The main thing is to decide what to call it, but we will always have time to build it))
  10. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 27 2021 12: 07
    +1
    Well, Russia is working on the 6th generation ... not working .... but on the version of the Su-57, which in "narrow circles" is sometimes called "generation 5+", it definitely works! yes
  11. awg75
    awg75 April 27 2021 12: 09
    0
    I think right by the twentieth it is necessary
  12. AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon April 27 2021 12: 13
    +3
    That daughter of mine can draw the eighth generation for them. What is really there. "- Legs, wings. The main thing is the tail!" wassat
  13. prior
    prior April 27 2021 12: 13
    +1
    India needs to accept its Indian gradation of aircraft generations and this will immediately satisfy all Indian ambitions.
    For example: the aircraft "Indus" generation 3-2-2 2-3-3. laughing
  14. Guru
    Guru April 27 2021 12: 14
    0
    India cannot decide whether the promising HAL AMCA fighter will belong to the 5th or 6th generation
    You need to dream big laughing only from the 7th, not less laughing Well, with Russia they dreamed of the 5th, then they ran away, as time goes on, others are already dreaming about the 6th, so only the 7th. But in 5-10 years you will need to dream about the 8th. Dreaming that it is not harmful. wink
  15. ioan-e
    ioan-e April 27 2021 12: 15
    +2
    India cannot decide whether the promising HAL AMCA fighter will belong to the 5th or 6th generation

    IT will not take off!
  16. Wedmak
    Wedmak April 27 2021 12: 19
    +2
    A great aircraft building country India with a 5-year school of aircraft construction? Tank building of the XNUMXth generation has already been mastered to be seen.
  17. Last centurion
    Last centurion April 27 2021 12: 34
    +2
    And they have their own engines for at least 4+ ... No .. So let's write = 6-3 generation fighter
  18. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets April 27 2021 12: 35
    +1
    in Europe working on completion of projects FCAS and Tempest

    Che, seriously? Yes there are still not clearly defined with the requirements!
  19. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 27 2021 12: 39
    0
    let them not waste time on trifles and write 10th generation
  20. Nitarius
    Nitarius April 27 2021 12: 47
    +1
    ))) to the maize))) Well, damn it .. jokers! or donkeys with wings))) .. so immediately to the 10th generation PEGASES)))
  21. Eugene 1475
    Eugene 1475 April 27 2021 12: 47
    0
    As in the joke "What am I now torn between smart and beautiful"!
  22. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 April 27 2021 12: 51
    0
    At least by 4 I could.
  23. Lunaaron
    Lunaaron April 27 2021 12: 55
    0
    Yes, it smells like the 8th generation ... :-)
  24. K-36
    K-36 April 27 2021 13: 22
    +1
    Somehow, associatively, I recalled an anecdote about a monkey, which merrily and carelessly galloped along the branches of trees. And suddenly I saw a column with two pointers. To the left - "to the smart", to the right - "to the beautiful". The poor fellow began to twist his head so intensively in an attempt not to miscalculate that her head began to spin, and she fell off the tree and cracked on the ground. lol
    So, no matter how it happened to the Indians in their attempts to choose the 5th or 6th generation ... what
    hi
  25. Dainis
    Dainis April 27 2021 13: 29
    0
    By the tenth
  26. sabakina
    sabakina April 27 2021 13: 38
    0
    Quote: knn54
    Should we not aim at the Vimana ...
  27. yehat2
    yehat2 April 27 2021 13: 38
    0
    Valius Venckunas believes that so far there is no reason to assert that the AMCA will be a real 6th generation jet fighter.

    Did this Valus clarify how India plans to produce at least some adequate engine?
    already this point completely fails any plans.
  28. lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 April 27 2021 13: 54
    0
    After, after the day after tomorrow, we will go and kill the bear, and then I will sew 10 fur coats from his skin, or so. By 000, it may be that some sample of the 2040th generation will be rolled out, but Tejas, how? Will he even be 15m?
  29. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 27 2021 14: 09
    0
    Let them be ranked among the seventh. While riveting, they will be in trend. laughing
  30. Lirik R
    Lirik R April 27 2021 15: 01
    +1
    Let the Indians with the crown decide better - 350 thousand cases per day ..
  31. NF68
    NF68 April 27 2021 15: 51
    0
    You swung, however. This is not for you to sing and dance.
  32. Tektor
    Tektor April 27 2021 16: 02
    0
    Probably one of the critical requirements for a 6th generation aircraft will be a speed of over 4M. This is what makes it different from the previous ones.
  33. garik77
    garik77 April 27 2021 18: 03
    0
    Thank you neighing. They will do at least 30 years, and even then it is not a fact that it will work out. Then right at 7 or 8 you need to ..
  34. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz April 27 2021 18: 19
    0
    The IN is completely incapable of creating a 5-poke plane by itself. And technology 5. pok. Nobody sells it.
    For them, the only way is to buy a foreign aircraft. from RU or YP.
  35. Nicknt
    Nicknt April 27 2021 18: 57
    0
    Well, I think 7th!
  36. 123456789
    123456789 April 28 2021 00: 10
    0
    There is an old anecdote. Arithmetic lesson in a Georgian school. The teacher asks: Givi, how much will be three times three. It's hard to get the right answer. Finally, Givi says: it will probably be seven. The teacher is pleased, praises Givi: well done, somewhere there will be a sam-vosem.
  37. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 28 2021 02: 18
    0
    India cannot decide whether the promising HAL AMCA fighter will belong to the 5th or 6th generation
    By the 15th! laughing tongue wassat
  38. Esaul
    Esaul April 28 2021 09: 10
    +1
    An aircraft of the 5th generation with the characteristics of the 6th and prospects of the 7th generation by 2099.
  39. Basarev
    Basarev April 28 2021 22: 16
    0
    Interesting. They did not cope with the fourth generation - but they are already climbing into the fifth and aiming at the sixth.