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Actions of American aviation against the Japanese islands at the final stage of the war

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By early 1945, the 21st Bomber Command was a formidable force capable of simultaneously flying hundreds of B-29 long-range bombers loaded with tons of high-explosive and incendiary bombs.


In the last year of the war, the American command has developed the most effective tactics against Japanese defense enterprises and large cities, and the crews have accumulated the necessary experience and acquired the qualifications that allow them to operate successfully day and night.

Night attacks on Japanese refineries


In addition to the bombing of industrial enterprises with high-explosive bombs and the destruction of residential areas, modified B-29B bombers belonging to the 16th and 501st bombers from the 315th Bomber Wing, with specially trained crews, carried out a series of attacks on Japanese oil refineries and large oil storage facilities ...

Actions of American aviation against the Japanese islands at the final stage of the war
B-29B, equipped with AN / APQ-7 radar, belonging to the 501st bomber group, takes off

The bombing was carried out at night using the AN / APQ-7 sighting and navigation radar. The first night attack involving 30 aircraft at the Yokkaichi refinery took place on the night of June 26. As a result of the bombing, the plant was put out of action, and about 30% of the oil products stored there burned down. The next attack on the Kudamatsu refinery took place on June 29, and on the night of July 2, the Minosima refinery was bombed. On the night of July 6-7, the B-29B, using radars to aim at the target, destroyed an oil refinery near Osaka, and three days later completed the destruction of the Yokkaichi plant. Until the end of hostilities, the crews of the 16th and 501st bomber groups conducted 15 raids on Japanese facilities of the fuel and energy complex. During these attacks, it was possible to completely destroy six of the nine targets attacked, losses amounted to 4 B-29В.

The bombing of small Japanese cities


In order to break the resistance of the Japanese, in the second phase of the "air offensive", simultaneously with the continuation of the bombing of defense enterprises, it was decided to attack 25 relatively small cities with a population of 60000 to 320000 people. Smaller groups of bombers were used to attack small cities than against Tokyo or Osaka.

Before the start of the bombing, the Americans took measures to warn the inhabitants of these cities about the impending attacks. In May-July 1945, the B-29 dropped about 40 million leaflets. The Japanese government imposed harsh penalties on civilians holding such leaflets.

On July 16, 1942, the 21st Bomber Command was transformed into the 20th Air Force, which, together with the 8th Air Force transferred from Europe, and aviation units stationed in Hawaii, became part of the command of the strategic air force in the Pacific.

When the weather was good, during daylight hours, the B-29 navigators-bombardiers, using optical sights, had to bomb industrial enterprises. And in bad weather conditions and at night, strikes were made on residential areas, based on data obtained using on-board radars AN / APQ-13 and AN / APQ-7.

As part of the new plan, five major targeted high-explosive bombings took place: on June 9 and 10, aircraft factories in the vicinity of Shinkamigoto and Atsuta, as well as six defense enterprises on the shores of Tokyo Bay, were attacked. On June 22, attacks were carried out on six targets in southern Honshu, on June 26, factories in Honshu and Shikoku were bombed, and on July 24, Nagoya was bombed.

In parallel with the destruction of the Japanese industrial potential of the Superfortress, groups of 50-120 vehicles were seeded residential areas of small Japanese cities with incendiary bombs. On June 17, B-29 bombers attacked the cities of Omuta, Yokkaichi, Hamamatsu and Kagoshima. On June 19, raids took place on Fukuoka, Shizuoka and Toyohashi. On June 28, Moji, Nobeoku, Okayama and Sasebo were bombed. On July 1, Kumamoto, Kure, Ube, Shimonoseki were bombed. July 3 - Himeji, Kochi, Takamatsu, Tokushima. On July 6, "lighters" rained down on Akashi, Chiba, Kofu, Shimizu. On July 9, Gifu, Sakai, Sendai and Wakayama were attacked. On July 12, B-29s burned down city blocks in Ichinomiya, Tsuruga, Utsunomiya and Uwajima. On July 16, Hiratsuka, Kuwana, Numazu and Oita were bombed. On July 19, houses in Choshi, Fukui, Hitachi and Okazaki were on fire. On July 26, Matsuyama, Tokuyama and Omuta were raided. On July 28, six more cities were attacked - Aomori, Ichinomiya, Tsu, Ise, Ogaki, Uwajima.


Toyama fires on August 1, 1945

On August 1, the largest raid of the Second World War took place. On that day, 836 B-29s dropped 6145 tons of bombs (mostly incendiary) on the cities of Hachioji, Toyama, Mito and Nagaoka. On August 5, Imabari, Maebashi, Nishinomiya and Saga were attacked. In Toyama, more than 90% of buildings burned down, and in other cities from 15 to 40% of buildings.

In most cases, small towns were not covered by anti-aircraft batteries, and Japanese night fighters were ineffective. During the operation against small towns, only one B-29 was shot down, 78 more returned with damage, and 18 bombers crashed in accidents.

Use of B-29 bombers for mine laying


In mid-1944, American admirals began to demand the involvement of long-range bombers B-29 for laying minefields, in order to block navigation in Japanese waters. General LeMay was not enthusiastic about these plans, but under pressure from the higher command in January 1945, he was forced to allocate the 313rd bomber wing.

The crews of the 313rd Bomber Wing conducted their first mine-laying operation on the night of March 27-28, mining the Shimonoseki Strait to prevent Japanese warships from using this route to attack the US landing force off Okinawa.

As part of Operation Hunger, a joint operation with the US Navy, which aimed to blockade the main ports of Japan and impede the movement of Japanese warships and transports, long-range bombers dropped more than 1529 sea mines with acoustic or magnetic fuses during 12000 sorties. The laying of mines accounted for 5,7% of all sorties made by the aircraft of the 21st Bomber Command.


Dropping naval mines from the B-29

Mining was subjected as a way of movement of the Japanese fleetand the largest ports, which seriously disrupted Japanese logistics and the transfer of troops. The Japanese had to abandon 35 of the 47 main convoy routes. For example, shipments through Kobe decreased by 85%, from 320 tons in March to 000 tons in July. Over the past six months of the war, more ships have died on American mines delivered by long-range aircraft than were sunk by submarines, surface ships, and US Navy aircraft. The mines sank or disabled 44 ships with a total displacement of over 000 tons. At the same time, 670 American aircraft were lost.

Strikes by American B-24 and B-25 fighters and bombers against targets in southern Japan


After the P-51D Mustang of the 7th Fighter Command was relocated to Iwo Jima, the leadership of the 21st Bomber Command proposed, in addition to escorting the Super Fortresses, to use fighters to attack Japanese airfields, which was seen as a preventive measure to reduce the combat capability of Japanese interceptors.


Fighter P-51D Mustang takes off from the airfield at Iwo Jima

In May 1945, aircraft of the American 5th Air Army joined the strikes on the Japanese islands, which included units armed with P-51D Mustang, P-47D Thunderbolt and P-38L Lightning fighters, as well as B-25 Mitchell and B bombers. -24 Liberator.


P-47D Thunderbolt 348th Fighter Wing

Fighters and bombers from the 5th Air Force attacked Japanese airfields 138 times. The four-engine V-24 and twin-engine V-25 repeatedly bombed railway junctions, ports, railway and road bridges. From July 1 to July 13, 286 sorties of B-24 and B-25 bombers were carried out from Okinawa against targets in Kyushu.


B-25 bomber of the 345th bomber wing

In addition to solving tactical problems, large groups of "Liberators" were involved in strategic bombing. On August 5, "lighters" rained down on the residential areas of Taramizu in Kagoshima. On August 7, an airstrike struck a coal terminal in Umut. On August 10, Kurume was bombed. The last air raids took place on 12 August.


B-24 Liberator over Iwo Jima

In July and August, fighters and bombers of the 7th Fighter Command and the 5th Air Army flew over 6000 sorties against targets in Kyushu. At the same time, 43 American aircraft were shot down by anti-aircraft guns and Japanese fighters.

Actions of American carrier-based aircraft on targets in the Japanese islands


By the beginning of 1945, Japan was already exhausted and hopelessly lost the initiative in the war at sea. By that time, American aircraft carrier formations had reliable protection against air strikes and were no longer afraid of the Japanese fleet. Task Force TF 58, the main strike force of the US Navy in the Pacific, had 16 aircraft carriers covered by battleships, cruisers and escort destroyers.


TF 58 ships maneuver in Japanese waters

The first air raids by American carrier-based bombers on airfields and an aircraft factory in the vicinity of Tokyo took place on February 16 and 17. US Navy pilots announced the destruction of 341 Japanese aircraft. The Japanese admitted the loss of 78 fighters in aerial combat, but did not provide data on how many of their aircraft were destroyed on the ground. American carrier-based aircraft in these attacks lost 60 aircraft from enemy fire and 28 in accidents.

On February 18, 1945, ships of the TF 58 formation, without encountering resistance from the Japanese fleet and aviation, went south to support the landing on Iwo Jima. The task force attempted a second raid on the Tokyo area on February 25, but this operation was disrupted due to bad weather, and on March 1, American ships attacked Okinawa.


Ships and carrier-based aircraft of the TF 58 compound off Okinawa

The next attack by American carrier-based bombers on Japan took place on March 18. The main targets were Japanese airfields and aviation fuel storage facilities on the island of Kyushu. The next day, carrier-based aircraft bombed Japanese warships in Kure and Kobe, damaging the battleship Yamato and the aircraft carrier Amagi. During attacks on March 18 and 19, American naval aviators said they had destroyed 223 Japanese aircraft in the air and 250 on the ground. While the Japanese estimated their losses: 161 aircraft in the air and 191 - on the ground. On March 23, US Navy carrier-based aircraft destroyed the Japanese coastal fortifications in Okinawa, and on March 28 and 29, they conducted reconnaissance and bombed identified targets in Kyushu.

After the landing of American Marines in Okinawa, carrier-based aircraft provided the isolation of the battlefield and suppressed airfields in southern Japan. In an effort to stop large-scale Japanese air attacks on Allied ships, TF 58 forces attacked kamikaze bases at Kyushu and Shikoku on 12 and 13 May.

On May 27, Admiral William Halsey took over command of the Fifth Fleet from Admiral Raymond A. Spruance. TF 58 was renamed TF 38 (Third Fleet) and continued operations off Okinawa. In late May and early June, one of the task forces attacked airfields in Kyushu. On June 10, the aircraft carriers of the Third Fleet left the area, and the American carrier-based aircraft raids on the southern part of the Japanese islands temporarily stopped.


US Navy aircraft TBF Avenger dropping bombs on Hakodate in July 1945

In early July 1945, 15 American aircraft carriers with escort forces again moved to the shores of Japan. On 10 July, TF 38 aircraft raided airfields in the Tokyo area, plowing the runways with mines and destroying several aircraft hangars.

After this raid, TF 38 moved north. And on July 14, an operation began against Japanese transport ships plying between Hokkaido and Honshu. The airstrikes sunk eight of the 12 ferries carrying coal from Hokkaido, and the remaining four were damaged. Also, 70 other ships were sunk. At the same time, not a single Japanese fighter tried to resist the attacks. According to American reports, teams aimed at blocking Japanese airfields on the ground managed to destroy and damage more than 30 aircraft.

The loss of rail ferries reduced the amount of coal shipped from Hokkaido to Honshu by 80%. This caused interruptions in the supply of fuel to Japanese industrial enterprises and greatly reduced the production of military products. This operation is considered the most effective air attack in the Pacific theater of operations against the merchant fleet.

Following the attacks on Hokkaido and northern Honshu, the American carrier force sailed south and was reinforced by the main body of the British Pacific Fleet, which included four more carriers.

The attacks on the industrial zone in the vicinity of Tokyo on July 17 proved to be of little effect due to bad weather. But the next day, fleet aircraft attacked the Yokosuka naval base, where the Japanese battleships were parked. At the same time, one battleship was sunk, and several more were damaged.

On 24, 25 and 28 July, the Allied fleet attacked Kure and sank an aircraft carrier and three battleships, as well as two heavy cruisers, a light cruiser and several other warships. In this operation, the Allies suffered serious losses: 126 aircraft were shot down.


The battleship "Haruna" under the attacks of American bombers in the harbor of the Kure naval base

On July 29 and 30, the combined Allied fleet attacked the port of Maizur. Three small warships and 12 merchant ships were sunk. The next attacks on Japan took place on August 9 and 10 and were aimed at the accumulation of Japanese aircraft in northern Honshu, which, according to Allied intelligence, should have been used to conduct a raid on B-29 bases in the Mariana Islands.

Naval aviators said they destroyed 9 aircraft in their attacks on 251 August and damaged 141. On 13 August, TF 38 aircraft again attacked the Tokyo area, after which 254 Japanese aircraft were reported to have been killed on the ground and 18 in the air. The next raid on Tokyo, in which 103 carrier-based aircraft participated, began on the morning of August 15. The second wave was called off halfway when word was received that Japan had agreed to surrender. However, on the same day, aircraft carrier air defense forces on duty shot down several kamikaze who were trying to attack American aircraft carriers.

Atomic bombing of Japan



Even before the first nuclear explosive device was tested in the United States, in December 1944, the 509th air group was formed, equipped with specially modified B-29 Silverplate bombers. During World War II, 46 B-29 Silverplate were built in the United States. Of these, 29 were assigned to the 509th air group, and 15 crews took part in atomic bomb training. The deployment of the 509th Air Group on Tinian was completed in June 1945.

On July 20, the B-29 Silverplate began combat training flights to Japan. The combat load of the bombers consisted of one "pumpkin bomb", which in terms of mass and ballistic characteristics imitated the plutonium bomb "Fat Man". Each "pumpkin bomb" 3,25 m long and 152 cm in diameter weighed 5340 kg and contained 2900 kg of high explosives.

Atomic bomb carriers performed combat training missions on July 20, 23, 26 and 29, as well as on August 8 and 14, 1945. A total of 14 bombs were dropped on 49 targets, one bomb was dropped into the ocean, and two bombs were on board aircraft, which interrupted their missions. The bombing technique was the same as during the real atomic bombing. The bombs were dropped from a height of 9 m, after which the plane made a sharp turn and left the target at maximum speed.

On July 24, 1945, President Harry Truman authorized the use of a nuclear weapons against Japan. On July 28, the chief of the joint chiefs of staff, George Marshall, signed the corresponding order. On July 29, General Karl Spaatz, commander of the US Strategic Air Force in the Pacific, ordered the practical implementation of preparations for the atomic bombings. As the main targets for the use of atomic weapons, Kyoto (the largest industrial center), Hiroshima (the center of army warehouses, a military port and the location of the General Staff of the Navy), Yokohama (the center of the military industry), Kokura (the largest military arsenal) and Niigata (military port and heavy engineering center).

Simultaneously with the preparations for nuclear strikes at the Potsdam Conference, the governments of the United States, Great Britain and the USSR developed a joint declaration in which the terms of Japan's surrender were announced. An ultimatum presented to the Japanese leadership on July 26 stated that the country would be devastated if the war continued. The Japanese government rejected the Allied demands on 28 July.

On August 6, at 8:15 am local time, a B-29 Enola Gay aircraft dropped the Malysh uranium bomb on the central part of Hiroshima.


Bomb "Kid"

An explosion with a capacity of up to 18 kt in TNT equivalent occurred at an altitude of about 600 m above the earth's surface at the command of a radio altimeter. The six American aircraft involved in this attack returned safely to the Mariana Islands.


A cloud formed after a nuclear explosion over Hiroshima

Almost all buildings were destroyed as a result of the explosion within a radius of more than 1,5 km. Severe fires broke out on an area of ​​more than 11 km². About 90% of all buildings in the city were destroyed or seriously damaged. However, most of the fires were caused not by light radiation, but by a shock wave. In Japanese homes, food was cooked on coal, in ovens. After the passage of the shock wave, massive fires of dilapidated residential buildings began.


Hiroshima ruins

The atomic bomb is believed to have killed up to 80 people, while about 000 died in the course of the year from injuries, burns and radiation sickness.

The Japanese government did not immediately grasp what had happened. The real understanding of what happened came after a public announcement from Washington. 16 hours after the bombing of Hiroshima, President Truman declared:

We are now ready to destroy, even faster and more completely than before, all Japanese land-based production facilities in any city. We will destroy their docks, factories and their communications. Let there be no misunderstanding - we will completely destroy Japan's ability to wage war.

However, the Japanese government remained silent and airstrikes on Japanese cities continued.

Two days later, daylight raids with massive incendiary bombs were carried out on the cities of Yawata and Fukuyama. As a result of these attacks, more than 21% of missions were burned in Yawata, and more than 73% of buildings were destroyed in Fukuyamo. Japanese fighters, at the cost of losing 12 of their aircraft, shot down one B-29 and five escort fighters.

The Americans delivered their second nuclear strike on August 9. On that day, a B-29 Bockscar carrying the Fat Man plutonium bomb was sent to attack Kokura. However, the city was covered in haze. As a result, the crew commander decided instead of Kogura to attack Nagasaki, which was a backup target.

The atomic bomb carrier and the escort aircraft were detected by air surveillance posts, but the regional air defense command considered them to be reconnaissance, and the air raid was not announced.

The bomb exploded at 11:02 local time at an altitude of 500 m. The energy output from the explosion of the "Fat Man" was higher than that of the uranium "Kid". The explosion power was within 22 kt. Although the explosion was more powerful than in Hiroshima, the number of deaths and injuries in Nagasaki was less. Affected by the large deviation of the bomb from the aiming point, which exploded over the industrial zone, the terrain, as well as the fact that shortly before that, in anticipation of American air raids, a significant part of the population was evacuated.

The bombing killed approximately 70 people, with another 000 dead by the end of the year. Almost all buildings within a radius of two kilometers were destroyed. Of the 60 buildings in Nagasaki, 000 were completely destroyed and another 52 severely damaged.

On August 9, B-29s dropped 3 million leaflets over Japan warning that atomic bombs will be used against Japanese cities until the Japanese government ends the war. It was a bluff, at that time the United States did not have ready-to-use nuclear weapons, but the Japanese did not know this. Nevertheless, this time there was no response to the ultimatum either.

The Japanese government began negotiations with the allies on the terms of the surrender on August 10. During this period, the B-29 attacks on Japan were limited to the actions of the 315th Bomber Wing against refineries and fuel depots.

The next day, President Truman ordered an end to the bombing in good faith.

However, due to the fact that there was no clear answer from the Japanese, General Karl Spaatz on August 14 received an order to continue raids on Japanese cities. 828 B-29s flew into the air, accompanied by 186 fighters. During the day's raids, high-explosive bombs were struck at the military-industrial complex in Iwakuni, Osaka and Tokoyama, and at night "lighters" rained down on Kumagaya and Isesaki. These were the last attacks by heavy bombers on Japan, as Emperor Hirohito spoke on the radio at noon on August 15, announcing his country's intention to surrender.

The results of the bombing of the Japanese islands and their impact on the course of the war


The actions of the American aircraft caused enormous damage to military and civilian facilities located on the Japanese islands. The Americans dropped over 160 tons of bombs on Japan, with approximately 800 tons of bombs delivered by B-147 bombers. At the same time, about 000% of American bombs fell on Japanese targets six months before the end of the war.

In most cases, the effectiveness of air strikes was high. This was largely due to the fact that at the final stage of the war against Japan, American aircraft operated with very large forces against targets located in a limited area. Japanese cities, where most of the buildings were built from flammable materials, were extremely vulnerable to the massive use of cheap incendiary bombs. At the same time, the crews of American heavy bombers were not required to ensure high bombing accuracy, but only needed to go to the specified area. During the raids, in which several hundred "Superfortresses" could participate at the same time, hundreds of thousands of compact "lighters" fell from the sky, which, scattering over a large area, caused a fire storm over an area of ​​tens of square kilometers.

Massive incendiary bombing of Japanese cities resulted in very significant casualties among the population. Different sources cite different casualty figures, but most of the publications on Japan's losses in World War II cite data from the American post-war report "The Impact of Bombing on Health and Medical Services in Japan." This report states that 333 Japanese were killed and 000 injured. These numbers include approximately 473 killed in the two atomic bomb attacks.

By 1949, the Japanese government estimated that 323 people had been killed as a result of American aviation operations against civilian targets. However, many researchers rightly point out that the Japanese data cannot be reliable, since they relied on preserved archival records. A significant part of the archives was completely destroyed along with the buildings where they were stored. A number of historians in their studies argue that the consequences of the American bombing could have killed up to 495 thousand people.

The bombing caused significant damage to Japanese housing stock. In 66 cities that were subjected to air attacks, about 40% of buildings were seriously damaged or destroyed. This amounted to approximately 2,5 million residential and office buildings, leaving 8,5 million people homeless.

The raids of American bombers also had a huge impact on the decline in the production of military and dual-use products. During the bombing, more than 600 large industrial enterprises were destroyed. The transport infrastructure and facilities of the fuel and energy complex were badly damaged. When American aircraft approached, all enterprises in the area where the air raid was announced stopped working, which negatively affected production.

In fact, the strategic bombing of the B-29 put Japan on the brink of defeat. Even without the use of atomic bombs, hundreds of "Super Fortresses" involved in one raid were able to wipe out Japanese cities.

During the campaign against Japan, the 20th Air Force lost 414 B-29s and more than 2600 American bombers were killed. The financial resources spent on the "air offensive" against Japan amounted to $ 4 billion, which was much less than the expenditure ($ 30 billion) for bomber operations in Europe.

Statistical data processed by American specialists in the post-war period showed a direct relationship between the number of B-29 sorties and the decrease in production volumes by Japanese enterprises, as well as the ability of the Japanese armed forces to conduct hostilities.

But air strikes on residential areas, factories and factories were not the only reason for the decline in the Japanese economy. The work of Japanese enterprises was severely affected by the lack of resources and fuel caused by the mining of shipping lanes and strikes on ports. In addition to large-scale bombing raids, American and British naval aviation disrupted coastal Japanese shipping. The Allied air campaign and attacks on merchant ships destroyed 25 to 30% of Japan's national wealth.

The evacuation of a significant part of the population to the countryside has partially reduced the losses from the bombing. But in early 1945, incessant bombing of ports and heavy losses of the merchant fleet made it impossible to transport food, which, combined with a poor rice harvest in many areas, caused food shortages. There was also a widespread shortage of liquid and solid fuels.

If the war continued, then at the end of 1945, if the current situation persisted, the Japanese population would begin to die of hunger. At the same time, the significant ground forces of the Japanese troops, available in Korea and China, could in no way influence the course of the war, since they themselves experienced significant difficulties in supply.

Assessing the moral aspect of the bombing of Japanese cities, we can confidently assert that the Japanese themselves opened the "Pandora's box". The Japanese military committed numerous atrocities in the occupied territories. And often, American prisoners of war were treated extremely cruelly. You can also remember the brutal bombing of the city of Chongqing, which since 1937 has been the temporary capital of the Republic of China. Given all this, the Americans had the moral right to apply their own methods to the Japanese.

After Japan's surrender, General LeMay said:

I think if we lost the war, then I would be tried as a war criminal. It was my responsibility to carry out massive bombing raids, as this allowed the war to end as quickly as possible.

In general, this approach can be considered fair.

The strategic bombing, along with the declaration of war by the Soviet Union, made further resistance to Japan impossible. Otherwise, during the invasion of the Japanese islands, the losses of the Americans in manpower could be very significant.

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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 2 May 2021 05: 05
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    after the words: "this is different, you do not understand, this is for the Russians to be afraid ..." the Japanese calmed down and forgot ...
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 2 May 2021 05: 32
      +7
      Quote: Dead Day
      after the words: "this is different, you do not understand, this is for the Russians to be afraid ..." the Japanese calmed down and forgot ...

      Excuse me, what is it for? Who said this and when?
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 2 May 2021 07: 24
        +5
        The old kid decided to troll in the history section.
  2. Toucan
    Toucan 2 May 2021 05: 10
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    Whoever said what, but the Americans, thanks to their economic power and technological superiority, were able to turn the tide of hostilities, recapture the territories occupied by the Imperial Army and defeat the Japanese fleet. Given the supremacy in the air and at sea, the United States, through the blockade and incessant brutal bombing, could achieve surrender without invading the Japanese islands.
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 2 May 2021 06: 36
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    Actions of American aviation against the Japanese islands at the final stage of the war
    -can be described in one word-battering, especially for cities and infrastructure.

    The war returned to the aggressors themselves and in the most brutal way.
    1. Asad
      Asad 2 May 2021 08: 41
      +15
      The Japanese deserve what they got! The atrocities of the samurai in Korea, China and other states have no excuses!
  4. north 2
    north 2 2 May 2021 06: 53
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    today, on the 2nd of May, the bright holiday of Orthodox Easter coincided with the day of the capture of Berlin in the Second World War. And I somehow think that those lives of Soviet soldiers that were saved because help came in the person of the Second Front, those lives of Soviet soldiers were sacrificed a few months later, because the hegemon of the Second Front of the United States had to be saved in his war with Japan. So maybe it would be worthwhile for Stalin to suggest that America, instead of the Second Front in Europe, fight Japan with all its might, and not wish to enter Berlin on the back of the Red Army as the victors of Germany. Where was the Second Front, with its US hegemon in front, when the German trampled on Soviet soil, and the Red Army was bleeding to death near Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk, and Leningrad was dying in the blockade? And here, at the end of the war, on the victorious march of the Red Army, the United States jumped on its back and let’s carry it to Berlin for a common victory, and then save this United States from Japan, which the United States had to cope with if they didn’t climb into Europe at the end of the war. and would not disperse its forces. So maybe the United States wanted to be in Berlin as the winners in order to steal nuclear scientists and rocket scientists from there and seize the archives, how the United States helped Germany to grow stronger both before the war and during the war and still take important Nazis to America? This is exactly what the United States needed when it saw the end of the Second World War.
    So those soldiers' lives that the Red Army could and saved thanks to the opening of the Second Front, these lives of their soldiers by the Red Army then very soon had to be sacrificed in order to save the United States in its war with Japan, which the United States had to deal with, instead of what would climb the Second Front to Europe on the back of the Red Aria's victorious march to Berlin ... Stalin also had mistakes with this Second Front at the end of the war and with this salvation of America in its war against Japan. I think so ...
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 2 May 2021 07: 28
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      Quote: north 2
      Berlin in the Second World War. And I somehow think that those lives of Soviet soldiers that were saved because help came in the person of the Second Front, those lives of Soviet soldiers were sacrificed a few months later, because the hegemon of the Second Front of the United States had to be saved in his war with Japan. So maybe it would be worthwhile for Stalin to suggest America, instead of the Second Front in Europe, fight Japan with all its might, and not wish to enter Berlin on the hump of the Red Army as the victors of Germany. Where was the Second Front with its US hegemon in front, when the German trampled on Soviet soil, and the Red Army was bleeding to death near Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk, and Leningrad was dying in the blockade?

      And what prevented from leaving Berlin in the blockade and waiting for the Germans to die of hunger there. Why was it necessary to destroy the lives of 100 thousand soldiers during the assault? The same USA in a similar situation would have dropped an atomic bomb on Berlin and saved the lives of soldiers. And who was the USSR saving from Japan, if the United States delivered them with cancer by August 1945. Taking advantage of the defeat of the Japanese fleet, Stalin returned to the ball half of Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, and the Kwantung Army, from which combat-ready units were transferred to the metropolis, could not resist.
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 2 May 2021 11: 10
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        To the ball? The road to return began at Khasan and Khalkhin Gol. Largely thanks to the USSR, China could fight Japan for 8 years.
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 2 May 2021 11: 21
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          Quote: Moskovit
          To the ball?

          Of course the ball. While the Japanese imperial fleet was in force, there could be no question of any war at sea with Japan. Comrade Stalin in 1945 wisely seized the moment. It was in 1945 that the Japanese found out who are white people and who are radioactive dust.
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 2 May 2021 12: 59
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            The Soviet army defeated the German one. The same fate would await the Japanese. Japan could not defeat China, despite the enormous difference in equipment and training of troops.
            1. Sergey Sfiedu
              Sergey Sfiedu 2 May 2021 20: 41
              +3
              There are just a lot of Chinese.
      2. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 2 May 2021 11: 54
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        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        Why was it necessary to destroy the lives of 100 thousand soldiers during the assault?

        Stalin took into account that after Roosevelt's death he did not have much time left to walk around the buffet. He greatly overestimated Eisenhower and Truman too.
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        The same USA in a similar situation

        Most likely they would have agreed with the same Heinrici from GA Vistula. Busse from 9A was waiting for the Shermans as simply as manna from heaven.
        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        The Kwantung Army, from which combat-ready units were transferred to the metropolis, could not resist.

        It could, could not, on the islands it is neither hot nor cold.
      3. smaug78
        smaug78 2 May 2021 12: 56
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        And what prevented from leaving Berlin in the blockade and waiting for the Germans there to die of hunger.
        Allies ..
        Why was it necessary to destroy the lives of 100 thousand soldiers during the assault?
        What are you saying? Have you heard enough of Svanidze?
      4. bk0010
        bk0010 2 May 2021 14: 00
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        Quote: Bashkirkhan
        And what prevented from leaving Berlin in the blockade and waiting for the Germans there to die of hunger.
        We would have gotten the third world war right away. Using the example of Dresden, the Americans showed us the capabilities of their strategic aviation. We, using the example of Berlin, showed them the capabilities of our ground forces. Opportunities impressed, Churchill with his "Unthinkable" was sent and the war soon ended.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 2 May 2021 15: 16
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          Quote: bk0010
          We would have gotten the third world war right away.

          With whom?
          Quote: bk0010
          Using the example of Dresden, the Americans showed us the possibilities

          The Americans would show the possibilities if the F-13 appeared over the Kremlin on a beautiful May morning. And in Dresden, 8BA and RAF Bomber Command simply perked up from their own heroic strength.
          Quote: bk0010
          Churchill with his "Unthinkable" was sent and the war soon ended.

          Churchill did not inform the Americans about the Unthinkable. This would be strange, given Eisenhower's excessively warm relations with Stalin, including correspondence bypassing the country's political leadership. The specified plan (offensive option) implied a limited war in Poland and was initially unrealistic, which was brought to the attention of Churchill.

          Total war is another matter. But subscribing to it without the Americans would be weird. And the Americans had such a desire only in 48. They were pretty dumb, unfortunately.
      5. WapentakeLokki
        WapentakeLokki 2 May 2021 21: 16
        -5
        ... I also want to remember the storming of Budapest when, in order to save the cultural monuments of the Red Army, the use of heavy artillery was limited ... yeah, to save buildings of historical value instead of rolling out 152 or 203 mm on direct fire and spreading them to such and such a mother .. infantry took them by storm ... the losses, you know, increased by an order of magnitude ... well, on the road, the jerk of our mobile units to Zlata Prague ... the same guys went to the break saving the Czechs ... what the USSR got, well, and Russia is known ... but who could have imagined back then in 1945 ...
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 2 May 2021 21: 38
          +6
          Quote: WapentakeLokki
          the storming of Budapest when, in order to save the cultural monuments of the Red Army, the use of heavy artillery was limited

          Bike. A lot of bad things can be said about the Soviet command, but there was never any slobbering ostentatious liberalism behind them.
          Quote: WapentakeLokki
          the same guys went to the break saving the Czechs

          Saving the Czechs from Patton. There he dug the ground with his hoof, 3 hours' walk from the city.
    2. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 2 May 2021 08: 00
      +9
      Quote: north 2
      the lives of Soviet soldiers a few months later were still sacrificed, because the hegemon of the Second Front of the United States had to be saved in his war with Japan

      Are you out of your mind? fool Whom to save, the USA from Japan? wassat
      Already in 1944, it became clear that the defeat of Japan was a matter of time. At the same time, the United States would have done just fine without the USSR. Even without landing, the Americans could establish a blockade of Japan, and bring Emperor Showa (Hirohito) to his knees only by continuing the bombing, which the Japanese could not resist. As stated in this article, already in August 1945, Japan experienced an acute food shortage, and after the surrender, the Americans actually had to feed the Japanese. The war lasted another year, and there would be no one to feed.
      Stalin chose the optimal moment to attack Japan, when she was extremely weakened, and the Japanese military contingents on the Kuril Islands and the mainland had low combat effectiveness.
      1. Niko
        Niko 2 May 2021 09: 38
        +4
        "Are you out of your mind? Who are you saving? The United States from Japan?" Well, in Russia, the average man in the street still thinks that it was ...
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 2 May 2021 09: 40
          +2
          Quote: Niko
          Well, in Russia, the average man in the street still thinks that it was ...

          Well, yes ... even about the Pechenegs and Polovtsians, the brightest nonsense hawala. lol
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 2 May 2021 11: 23
            +4
            Quote: zyablik.olga
            more about the Pechenegs and Polovtsians

    3. Doccor18
      Doccor18 2 May 2021 09: 30
      +9
      ... and then save this USA from Japan ...

      No one "saved" the United States from Japan. In the Far East, the Soviet army, defeating the Japanese militarists, solved several strategic tasks at once: the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin, a friendly socialist regime in the DPRK, strengthening friendship with Mongolia and China. The USSR secured a strong position in the east for a long time.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 2 May 2021 11: 15
        +8
        Quote: Doccor18
        In the Far East, the Soviet army, defeating the Japanese militarists, solved several strategic tasks at once: the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin, a friendly socialist regime in the DPRK, strengthening friendship with Mongolia and China. The USSR secured a strong position in the east for a long time.

        )))
        I agree.
    4. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 May 2021 02: 06
      +3
      Quote: north 2
      this salvation of America in its war against Japan. I think so ...

      Think shitty. Think again.
  5. antivirus
    antivirus 2 May 2021 07: 16
    -2
    While the Japanese estimated their losses: 161 aircraft in the air and 191 - on the ground. etc

    - Korotich needs to know this - they sprinkled saliva in Ogonyok about the unpreparedness of Stalin and the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks for the Second World War.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 3 May 2021 02: 14
      +3
      Quote: antivirus
      about the unpreparedness of Stalin and the VKPB for the Second World War

      Were you ready? This idiotism with a recent passage on the VO, that, they say, the Red Army in the 41st did not receive soup, but defeated the Wehrmacht - this, you know, is a stupid manipulative bookmark for future degenerates who are ready to take the word of any mold like the Frolovs and Samsonovs. And they, by the way, agree to believe, if only they were left behind with hateful braces, parades and so on.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 3 May 2021 07: 29
        -4
        in short, a footer.
        unpreparedness for war and losing in part of the battles - different concepts and things, and a forage base for korotichs and gordons with sissy
  6. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 2 May 2021 08: 33
    -5
    Wow
    On August 9, B-29s dropped 3 million leaflets over Japan warning that atomic bombs will be used against Japanese cities until the Japanese government ends the war. It was a bluff, at that time the United States did not have ready-to-use nuclear weapons, but the Japanese did not know this. Nevertheless, this time there was no response to the ultimatum either.

    The Japanese government began negotiations with the allies on the terms of surrender on August 10

    How was it that there was no response if negotiations on surrender began the morning after the ultimatum?
    And where does the bluff come from? As if by dropping two nuclear bombs, the United States lost the technology for their production. Make and drop, industrial nuclear warhead production capacity grew at a frantic pace
    1. Bongo
      2 May 2021 10: 27
      +10
      Quote: BlackMokona
      How was it that there was no response if negotiations on surrender began the morning after the ultimatum?

      And what did the Japanese respond to the ultimatum?
      Quote: BlackMokona
      And where does the bluff come from? As if by dropping two nuclear bombs, the United States lost the technology for their production.

      How many nuclear bombs did the United States have at the end of 1945, what were the uranium reserves, and how long did it take to build a ready-to-use zero-cycle bomb?
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 2 May 2021 11: 17
        +6
        Quote: Bongo
        And what did the Japanese respond to the ultimatum?

        Agree, except for Hirohito. By the way, they were right, then MacArthur also supported this position.
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 2 May 2021 12: 26
        +4
        How many nuclear bombs were there in the United States at the end of 1945,
        I think there was a certain amount. For discussions of tests involving ships as targets began in the second half of August 45. The immediate preparation of the "Crossroads" project began at the end of January 46.
        1. Bongo
          3 May 2021 01: 56
          +2
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          The immediate preparation of the Perekrestok project began at the end of January 46.

          Until the end of 1945, there were no ready-made nuclear charges in the United States.
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 3 May 2021 02: 18
            +1
            Quote: Bongo
            Until the end of 1945, finished nuclear warheads in the United States

            Ready? I mean, the fuses weren't standing?
            1. Bongo
              3 May 2021 02: 20
              +2
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              Ready? I mean, the fuses weren't standing?

              I am sure you perfectly understand what a "ready-to-use nuclear bomb" means. hi
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 3 May 2021 02: 24
                +3
                No.

                The production of nuclear weapons in the early years was limited by the situation with fissile materials, so the question is what is the situation with regard to plutonium. And whether the product is assembled or not is the second thing, in 45 the euphoria had not yet passed among the Americans. They did not know that they needed AB.
                1. Bongo
                  3 May 2021 02: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  The production of nuclear weapons in the early years was limited by the situation with fissile materials, so the question is what is the situation with regard to plutonium.

                  This is what I am trying to convey. yes
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  Whether the product is assembled or not is the second thing

                  Assembling the product is also very difficult and time-consuming. As for the "fuses", then you probably know that their installation on the first bombs for security purposes was carried out already in the air.
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  in 45, the euphoria had not yet passed among the Americans. They did not know that they needed AB.

                  The Americans did not doubt that they needed them, another question is how soon and in what quantity.
                  1. Cherry Nine
                    Cherry Nine 3 May 2021 02: 41
                    +3
                    Quote: Bongo
                    You are probably aware that their installation on the first bombs for security purposes was carried out already in the air.

                    Yes, that's what I meant about "there were no finished products")))
                    Quote: Bongo
                    another question is how soon and how much.

                    I say, there was a completely vain euphoria. The last of the wars is over. Just like last time.
      3. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 2 May 2021 12: 56
        -3
        1) Began negotiations for surrender. It seems obvious. Ie, they accepted the ultimatum.
        2) How much exactly they did over the years, especially 1945,1946, 1946, and so on, I do not know. But in XNUMX, two more were blown up to watch the ships break down, despite the fact that there was already accumulation for a showdown with the USSR.
        And what about uranium reserves, did the United States ever have problems with this given the huge uranium deposits in Australia and Canada?
        And why from scratch? In 1945, one is blown up at home, two more in 1945 in Japan. Production is already clearly launched and is being promoted.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 2 May 2021 15: 07
          +6
          Quote: BlackMokona
          In 1945, one is blown up at home, two more in 1945 in Japan. Production is already clearly launched and is being promoted.

          I could be wrong, but it seems the kid has spent all the uranium reserves, and not all was well with the production of plutonium at first. Truman was promised 12 bombs in 45, but in reality there were only two bombs by the end of the year (besides the Japanese ones). How much demobilization is in this, how many production problems - it is rather difficult to understand.
        2. Bongo
          3 May 2021 02: 04
          +2
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Negotiations for surrender began. It seems obvious. Ie accepted the ultimatum

          When did the negotiations begin and when did they accept the ultimatum?
          Quote: BlackMokona
          How much exactly they did over the years, especially 1945,1946, XNUMX, and so on, I do not know.

          And it would be worth asking before making such statements.
          Quote: BlackMokona
          But in 1946, two more were blown up to watch the ships break down, despite the fact that the accumulation for a showdown with the USSR has already gone.

          Operation Crossroads has begun July 1946 of the year, and what time period are we discussing?
          Quote: BlackMokona
          And what about uranium reserves, did the United States ever have problems with this given the huge uranium deposits in Australia and Canada?

          Ask at your leisure what uranium was used to make the first American bombs.
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 3 May 2021 02: 20
            +2
            Quote: Bongo
            When did the negotiations begin and when did they accept the ultimatum?

            There were no negotiations. Byrnes considered it beneath his dignity. The secretaries of state of those years were one better than the other, enchanting people.
            1. Bongo
              3 May 2021 02: 23
              +1
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              There were no negotiations. Byrnes considered it beneath his dignity. The secretaries of state of those years were one better than the other, enchanting people.

              I agree, there were no direct negotiations yes But the Japanese voiced their position, and there were some contacts.
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 3 May 2021 02: 38
                +2
                It was conveyed through the Swiss embassy that they agree to the Potsdam declaration with the proviso that Hirohito will remain in real control. Byrnes replied that it was not for the Japanese to decide. Further negotiations took place mainly between the emperor and the prime minister on the one hand and the true samurai who went on the other.
          2. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 3 May 2021 09: 57
            -3
            1) Well, they have launched a coup. The rioters took over the Imperial Palace and so on after hearing of the surrender. This slowed down the negotiation process.
            2) Fortunately, the exact numbers have already been given.
            3) If the Japanese had not surrendered there, the United States predicted a war until 1948.
            4) From the exported, but huge deposits on the territory of the Allies solve any problems with uranium for more and more bombs
      4. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 2 May 2021 17: 00
        +5
        Quote: Bongo
        How was it that there was no response if negotiations on surrender began the morning after the ultimatum?

        The Japanese agreed to surrender because of the entry into the war of the USSR. Before that, plans were seriously hatched about Stalin's mediation in peace negotiations after the big losses that the Anglo-Saxons would incur as a result of the landing on the islands.
        When they realized that there would be no intermediary for obtaining peace on favorable terms, and the landing could be, incl. the Soviet, to whom the losses were on the side, went to surrender, tk. if the Bolsheviks came, Hirohito would have simply been hanged as a war criminal. hi
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 2 May 2021 21: 20
          +6
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The Japanese agreed to surrender because of the entry into the war of the USSR, Prior to that, plans were seriously hatched for Stalin's mediation in the peace negotiations after heavy losses

          More precisely, the entry into the war of the USSR put an end to another chimera of one of the Japanese groups in the government. The Japanese in 45 had different ideas of "enforcing peace" that were about the same as Hitler's wunderwaffe projects. Although it must be admitted, the USSR in this particular case quite honestly outlined its intentions, canceling the neutrality pact on April 5, 45. On August 9, the Foreign Ministry had no choice but to go over to the side of the national traitors, who had been pushing for surrender for six months already (at the risk of their own lives, by the way, the Japanese patriots were harsh people beyond all measure).
          Quote: Krasnodar
          if the Bolsheviks came, Hirohito would have simply been hanged as a war criminal

          Well, the Tokyo offensive operation comrade. Stalin did not see him even in the hottest dreams, at most Hokkaido (Japanese People's Democratic Republic, yeah). MacArthur and Nimitz would not have transported any Bolsheviks to the islands, and Nikolai did not leave his Pacific fleet to Soviet power.
          There was, however, a variant with people's democracy much later, when everything had already settled down. But the Japanese were not at a loss then and quickly covered up all options for people's democracy by introducing a one-party system.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 2 May 2021 21: 50
            -1
            I agree, but. In the event of large losses during the landing of the island, the big question is what the Americans would have allowed Stalin. hi
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 2 May 2021 22: 14
              +7
              You have misconceptions about the big losses from the American point of view. They never regretted shells, but they also treated losses much more calmly than is commonly believed. Blood baths of no strategic importance in the Hürgen Forest or in the Philippines cost them more than, for example, Okinawa - and no one remembers them, as it was.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 2 May 2021 23: 21
                0
                I agree. The problem is that the losses inflicted by the enemy at the beginning of the war are one thing, at the end of the war, after the victory over Germany, they are another yes
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 2 May 2021 23: 28
                  +6
                  Another Soviet tale, "no one wanted to be the last victims of the war." It is strange that it never occurs to write about the Berlin operation, not to mention the Prague operation, which was generally carried out after the surrender of the Reich. Okinawa began on April 1, when the issue in Europe was actually resolved. Yamato was sunk on 7 April when Simpson's divisions (2nd and 5th Armored, 83rd Infantry) staged a race to the Elba (the infantry won).
          2. Korax71
            Korax71 2 May 2021 22: 23
            +5
            Well, if only in very optimistic dreams of the great IVS, and with a lot of assumptions. the USSR did not know how to land landing operations. The landing on Shumsha is indicative in this respect, where, with a five-point excitement, they began to land troops, having managed to drown some of them. And even if we assume that Land Liz boats to deliver troops to Hokkaido, let's say the Japs missed the mark, to deliver even a certain amount of tanks, but the throughput of Soviet ports, like the supply fleet, left much to be desired. So the hypothetical YANDR wassat this is completely from the category of alternative history.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 2 May 2021 23: 06
              +6
              Quote: Korax71
              indicative in this regard is the landing on Shumshu, where, with a five-point excitement, they began to land troops

              The key point is that this landing took place on August 18, that is, after the surrender. And even in peacetime, Soviet tourists were, politely speaking, unconvincing. As for YANDR, the plan there was a little different.
              I received your message with "General Order No. 1". Basically, I don't mind the content of the order. This means that the Liaodong Peninsula is an integral part of Manchuria. However, I propose to make the following amendments to General Order No. 1: 1. To include in the area of ​​the surrender of the Japanese armed forces to the Soviet troops all the Kuril Islands, which, according to the decision of the three powers in the Crimea, should pass into the possession of the Soviet Union. 2. To include in the area of ​​surrender of the Japanese armed forces to Soviet troops the northern half of the island of Hokkaido, adjacent in the north to the La Perouse Strait, located between Karafuto and Hokkaido. Draw the demarcation line between the northern and southern half of Hokkaido Island along a line running from the mountains. Kushiro on the east coast of the island to the city of Rumoe on the west coast of the island, with the inclusion of these cities in the northern half of the island. This last sentence is of particular importance for Russian public opinion. As you know, the Japanese in 1919-1921 kept the entire Soviet Far East under the occupation of their troops. Russian public opinion would be seriously offended if Russian troops did not have an area of ​​occupation in any part of Japanese territory proper. I would very much like my modest wishes stated above to be met with no objections. August 16, 1945.


              Comrade Stalin did not have the opportunity to conquer Hokkaido, but he agreed to accept it as a gift.

              I received your message dated August 18th. 1. I understand the content of your message in the sense that you refuse to satisfy the request of the Soviet Union to include the northern half of Fr. Hokkaido in the area of ​​the surrender of the Japanese armed forces to the Soviet troops. I must say that my colleagues and I did not expect such an answer from you.


              It is hard to believe to what extent Comrade. Stalin became insolent in 45. This turned out to be to some extent a success - Truman, unlike Roosevelt, was still conscious, and after a couple of months of such communication he could not help but notice who he was dealing with. Alas, too late, the polymers were successfully introduced in Potsdam.
              1. Korax71
                Korax71 2 May 2021 23: 43
                +3
                well, if only this way laughing I have always considered our partners to be a little naive and ingenuous people. I agree, at this stage, so to speak, tricks (more precisely, common sense wassat ) they didn’t have enough. hi in general, this list of what had to be done is very huge.
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 3 May 2021 00: 32
                  +5
                  Quote: Korax71
                  considered our partners a little naive and ingenuous people

                  They were not naive and unsophisticated. They were narcissistic and arrogant beyond measure. Completely unprepared for the work that the empire demanded, for which they were so eager. When Hull is in charge of the State Department, and there is no intelligence at all, it is difficult to expect a successful imperial policy.
                  Quote: Korax71
                  oh, I think they started doing this from 21 years old, with the good intentions of Comrade Hoover

                  Hoover at 21 is a private individual and philanthropist. Harding and Coolidge did not fight the USSR - they somehow had no time for that - but they did not make friends either. The Hoover President did not harbor any sentimental feelings for the USSR; the Bolsheviks received diplomatic recognition from the United States and the green light only under Roosevelt.
                  But Roosevelt, yes, no one did for the USSR as much as Roosevelt.
                  Quote: Korax71
                  in general, this list of what had to be done is very huge.

                  Yes, the scope for altistorians is very large.
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 2 May 2021 23: 22
              0
              Yes, yes. What if they landed from American delivery vehicles?
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 2 May 2021 23: 38
                +6
                And who will give them? And for what? Do you have Soviet forces going to fight under the command of MacArthur or what?
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 3 May 2021 00: 24
                  -1
                  No - in the presence of large losses, both floating craft and air cover will be given))
                  1. Cherry Nine
                    Cherry Nine 3 May 2021 00: 36
                    +6
                    How to fight? Is Vasilevsky subordinate to MacArthur? Or MacArthur is in charge of purely transport, and only Vasilevsky is fighting? Do you have a good idea of ​​Field Marshal MacArthur?
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 3 May 2021 00: 55
                      -1
                      laughing
                      With the task of drawing more Russians to the islands, they would find a solution where Vasilevsky is at war and the boats are transferred to Vasilevsky))
                      1. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 3 May 2021 01: 16
                        +5
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        With the task of drawing more Russians to the islands
                        Why would such a task be possible? Are the Americans trying to end the war or drag it out?
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        would find a solution where Vasilevsky is fighting

                        In Hokkaido, in the best case for the USSR, although from a military point of view, there is nothing in Hokkaido, why the fleet should divert resources for this is not clear. The Americans, for all their shortcomings, still figured out the allied command completely, there could be no independent fronts in the combat zone.
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 May 2021 01: 48
                        -1
                        Well, why then did the Americans drag Stalin into this from Yalta?
                      3. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 3 May 2021 02: 16
                        +4
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        the Americans dragged Stalin into this from Yalta?

                        The Americans didn't get involved. The USSR has been head over heels in Chinese affairs since the 20s. Unexpected, right?
                      4. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 May 2021 02: 43
                        0
                        Head over heels in China, this one, that's just at the Yalta Conference
                        The fate of the Far East was fundamentally decided in a separate document. In exchange for entering the war with Japan, 2-3 months after the end of the war in Europe, the USSR received South Sakhalin, annexed back in the Russo-Japanese war, and the Kuril Islands; Mongolia was recognized as an independent state. Port Arthur and the Chinese Eastern Railway (CER) were also promised to the Soviet side.

                        fellow
                        Pay attention to the wording - in exchange for joining the war with Japan hi
                        I am not saying that Stalin did not need it. but requests for the Red Army to join the general anti-Yap efforts came from the Anglo-Saxons
                      5. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 3 May 2021 03: 09
                        +4
                        While Marshall was present at Yalta, this particular idiocy is largely attributed to the influence of Stettinius and the State Department. Separately, it should be noted that as payment for betrayal (the USSR and Japan have a neutrality pact until April 46, which the high contracting parties did not even consider it necessary to mention), the Americans give the Chinese territories to the USSR in the absence of Chinese representatives at the conference. On the other hand, the FDR and the State Department had their own little nuance - all the obligations assumed by Roosevelt, all the papers that he signed were the opinion of a private person. None of this was submitted to Congress for ratification.

                        In addition, as of February 45, not only the circumstances of August are not known, but even the circumstances of February are misunderstood. The Ardennes thwarted the Allied offensive planned for December, and the Red Army, as a result of the Vistula-Oder, stopped literally a step away from Berlin.

                        So the ideas about the participation of the USSR in the war with Japan existed purely by inertia, as it was supposed to demonstrate the solidarity of the Allies. It might make sense in 42, but not in 45.
                        Marshall, unfortunately, never had enough integrity to convey military considerations to Roosevelt that were different from the State Department's drug-addicted dreams. Not exactly American Keitel, but close.
                      6. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 May 2021 04: 22
                        0
                        Idiocy is not idiocy, they asked Stalin to fight the Yapas, and persistently, and long before Yalta
                      7. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 3 May 2021 14: 18
                        +3
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        and long before Yalta

                        That's right, that long before Yalta, when it made sense. But over time, the "Allied solidarity" fad has become an intrinsic value for the State Department, as a result, the not very solidarity IVS began to give anything to feed solidarity. Appeasement politics in a twisted American execution. That is, countries and peoples were given over to the IVS not even for the sake of peace (that is, time for mobilization, as in Munich 38 and Moscow 39), but for the sake of pleasant words about eternal friendship.
                      8. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 3 May 2021 17: 30
                        0
                        It was good for us request
  • Korax71
    Korax71 3 May 2021 00: 08
    +6
    I must pay tribute to the partners, they were able to do more than well in amphibious operations. I don't think it would be worth the effort for them to seize and expand the landing beach with total superiority at sea and in the air, not to mention the incommensurable quality of conscription material hi As for the losses, as your colleague Cherry Nine correctly noted to you, all the stories like that mattresses do not fight with heavy losses are more from the category of tales, as history shows, when there is a need, they are ready to put so many of their sons of the fatherland in the ground how much the situation will require. it is just that they have a slightly different approach to the management of the accident, for example, in the Pacific theater of operations, it was considered the norm to eat ice cream and soda by the crew of the ships, in the event, for example, of a breakdown of the apparatus for the production of water gas, it was put on the priority list when carrying out repairs laughing guys could afford to fight in comfort drinks
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 3 May 2021 00: 39
      +7
      Quote: Korax71
      it was considered the consumption of ice cream and soda by the crew of the ships, in the event, for example, of a breakdown of the apparatus for the production of water gas - it was put on the priority list during the repair

      This is a whole layer of culture. Ice cream was currency, like tobacco, for example. It was transferred in tons from ship to ship for various kinds of services (machines for the production of ice cream were, of course, only on large ships). Naturally, this machine was repaired first. War is war, but you have to live somehow.
      1. Korax71
        Korax71 3 May 2021 02: 53
        +3
        agree drinks could afford. They did not strain to re-equip three cement barges under the so-called "sweet cruisers" (the cost of building each is about a lem of evergreens). Another illustration of how the industrial potential was spent by the partners good
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 3 May 2021 00: 57
      +2
      I understand everything and do not consider Americans to be oversensitive to losses. laughing However, if it was necessary to shoulder the burden of losses on the Russians, they would do it.
      1. Korax71
        Korax71 3 May 2021 03: 00
        +4
        well, these are arguments about the presence of certain distinctive features in granny laughing уdrinks the damned partners, and without this, had more than enough opportunities and they did not take advantage of it in any way lol
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 3 May 2021 04: 19
          +2
          But in Yalta, nevertheless, there was talk about the entry of the USSR into the war against the Yap, the initiators were the Anglo-Saxons, and the IVS knocked out goodies and buns for itself in terms of awards for participating in finishing off the samurai drinks
  • alsoclean
    alsoclean 2 May 2021 13: 07
    +3
    And where does the bluff come from? As if by dropping two nuclear bombs, the United States lost the technology for their production. Make and drop, industrial nuclear warhead production capacity grew at a frantic pace

    Nothing grew at a "breakneck pace". The transformation of Uranus238 into Uranus235 (or as we now call it - Enrichment) at that time was carried out at a "snail's" pace. With insane power consumption. So even an advanced economy like the US could not cope. Stocks of raw materials for one more bomb would have accumulated, at best, by the end of 1945.
    1. ANB
      ANB 2 May 2021 21: 00
      +3
      ... The transformation of Uranus238 into Uranus235

      Uranium 238 does not turn into 235. The separation of the isotope 235 from the total mass of natural uranium is enrichment. Yes, expensive and time consuming.
      1. alsoclean
        alsoclean 3 May 2021 23: 09
        +2
        Yes. This is true. Mine is not accurate. Uranium hexafluoride gas (base) is separated. The lighter U235 is retrieved. Rather, his concentration is increasing. Then uranium is again converted into metal - but with different properties.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 2 May 2021 14: 06
    -2
    Quote: BlackMokona
    And where does the bluff come from? As if by dropping two nuclear bombs, the United States lost the technology for their production. Make and drop, industrial nuclear warhead production capacity grew at a frantic pace
    There were no more bombs until 1947. Even the bike began to walk that the Manhattan project had failed, the Americans received 3 German bombs, one was detonated at the test site, the other two were dropped on Japan, and by 1947 the captured Germans had established the nuclear industry for them.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 2 May 2021 14: 20
      +2
      What then did the United States blow up in 1946? How did the United States test ships for resistance to nuclear explosions? wassat
      Operation Crossroads was the second series of atomic bomb tests conducted by the United States on Bikini Atoll in the summer of 1946. Operation followed Trinity and preceded Operation Sandstone. The goal was to test the effect of atomic weapons on ships. The series consisted of two explosions, each with a yield of 23 kilotons: [1] Able was detonated at an altitude of 158 m (520 ft) on July 1, 1946; The Baker was detonated at a depth of 27 m (90 ft) under water on July 25, 1946
    2. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 2 May 2021 15: 28
      +7
      Quote: bk0010
      Even the bike began to walk that the Manhattan project had failed, the Americans received 3 German bombs, one was detonated at the test site, the other two were dropped on Japan, and by 1947 the captured Germans had established the nuclear industry for them.

      Altistory. In reality, there were 1946 devices in 9, in July 1947–13, in 1948 - 50.
    3. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 2 May 2021 17: 19
      +5
      The Manhattan Project was successful and closed due to achievement of its objectives.
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    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 2 May 2021 09: 36
      +6
      Quote: Harp
      Are you sure the government of China ??? Maybe the USSR? As I thought up to this point, it seemed like China then did not play any role in the world ... Or am I mistaken?

      You are wrong. The Soviet Union declared war on Japan after the Potsdam Conference ended. Fill in the search engine: "Potsdam Declaration on Japan".
  • Catfish
    Catfish 2 May 2021 10: 17
    +8
    Thank you Sergey for the full and interesting article! good

    Interestingly, the consequences of the explosion of the atomic bomb caused a clouding of the mind of only one participant in this raid: the commander of the guidance plane, Captain Claude Iserli, who gave the command to the Enola Gay - "Bomb the first target." After the war, in the fifties, he was admitted to a psychiatric hospital for veterans, his disease was called the "Iserli complex", which suffers people who used weapons of mass destruction. After treatment, he led a quiet, calm life.

    1. Bongo
      2 May 2021 10: 34
      +9
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Thank you Sergey for the full and interesting article!

      drinks
      Quote: Sea Cat
      Interestingly, the consequences of the explosion of the atomic bomb caused a clouding of the mind of only one participant in this raid: the commander of the guidance plane, Captain Claude Iserli, who gave the command to the Enola Gay - "Bomb the first target." After the war, in the fifties, he was admitted to a psychiatric hospital for veterans, his disease was called the "Iserli complex", which suffers people who used weapons of mass destruction. After treatment, he led a quiet, calm life.

      For the sake of fairness, it is worth recognizing that the number of mental disorders among combatants is significantly higher than among citizens of the same age category who did not participate in hostilities. It is also not uncommon for all sorts of "right-guardians" and "regimes" to "go crazy", but they often mask this by alcohol addiction. Professional deformation, alas, is often inevitable. request
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 2 May 2021 10: 35
      +8
      Lucky strike. It's toasted! "
      1. Bongo
        2 May 2021 10: 39
        +9
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        Lucky strike. It's toasted! "

        From a military point of view, the strategic bombings of Japan in general, and nuclear in particular, were carried out at a very good organizational and technical level.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 2 May 2021 10: 43
          +5
          Thank you, Sergey! hi
          I just remembered a story about a famous cigarette brand.
          1. Bongo
            2 May 2021 10: 44
            +5
            I also remembered this after your comment. yes
          2. Bongo
            2 May 2021 10: 52
            +7
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            I just remembered a story about a famous cigarette brand.


            Found hi
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 2 May 2021 11: 04
              +7
              Somewhere I met information that British American Tobacco, at the insistence of the Japanese, re-branded the product.
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 2 May 2021 11: 22
        +8
        Hello Anton. hi
        There is a legend that during World War II one of the Enola Gay pilots said after the hit: “Lucky strike. It's toasted! "
        Like, "fried the japanese flag." laughing
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 2 May 2021 11: 24
          +6
          Hi Uncle Kostya!
          I'm talking about this bike.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 2 May 2021 11: 36
            +8
            Yes it is clear. They hadn’t landed yet and had no idea what they had done. However, the tobacco company immediately reacted by changing the pack and placing a Japanese flag in the center. laughing Happy Holiday. drinks
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 2 May 2021 11: 40
              +6
              No, the red circle on a white background appeared in 1942.
              Happy holiday!
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 2 May 2021 12: 00
                +8
                As you can see, he appeared even earlier. smile

                Initially, compressed tobacco was produced and sold to the population under the brand name "Good Hit".
              2. Liam
                Liam 2 May 2021 12: 11
                +5
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                No, the red circle on a white background appeared in 1942

                The red circle has always been on the tutu, and in 42 AD the historic green color of the tutu was changed to white.

                "Lucky Strike Green has gone to war"
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 2 May 2021 12: 14
                  +5
                  I have not argued that there was no red circle. Probably the phrase was incorrectly constructed.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam 2 May 2021 12: 20
                    +5
                    I did not claim what you claimed)
                    The company explained the change of colors by the fact that chrome was used to obtain green, and copper was used for the "gold" border, which in wartime is more necessary for other purposes. Although in fact the rebranding was done for marketing reasons. Red and white packs were much more popular among women who smoke, which in wartime has grown greatly.
                    Well, the inscription "It's Toasted " appeared back in 1917 and meant that the tobacco in cigarettes was fried and not dried in the sun
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 2 May 2021 12: 29
                      +5
                      Thank you, I also inquired about the history of the band.
                    2. Korax71
                      Korax71 2 May 2021 22: 29
                      +5
                      rather, it is not fried, but baked hi - one of the methods of fermentation of some varieties of tobacco, to obtain a peculiar aroma. For example, dark varieties of tobacco are very often fermented by smoking, which gives the taste and aroma of dried fruits when smoking bully
                2. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 2 May 2021 17: 06
                  +6
                  “Lucky Strike dressed in khakis.
                  And they left to fight ”(c).
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 2 May 2021 19: 32
                    +7
                    "We said goodbye in the morning:
                    I remembered the khaki dress
                    While my love lived
                    And she did not die in Nagasaki. "(C)

                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 2 May 2021 19: 43
                      +4
                      “He smokes a pipe, drinks the strongest ale.
                      And he loves a girl from Nagasaki "(c).
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 2 May 2021 19: 57
                        +6
                        "The captain returned from afar
                        And he learned that a gentleman in a tailcoat
                        One day, smoking hashish
                        I stabbed a girl from Nagasaki ... "(c)
                      2. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 2 May 2021 20: 10
                        +5
                        "Everyone knew the chieftain
                        As a leader "(c).
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 2 May 2021 20: 17
                        +6
                        "And along the road - the dead stand, with scythes.
                        And silence ... "(c)
                      4. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 2 May 2021 21: 10
                        +5
                        "Kazan is ours" (c).
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 2 May 2021 21: 38
                        +6
                        "Kazan took, Astrakhan took, Revel took ...
                        Shpak did not take. "(C)
                      6. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 2 May 2021 23: 58
                        +5
                        "Change the wording!" (from).
                      7. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 May 2021 05: 50
                        +3
                        "And he was in a pink shirt
                        And in satyul pants.
                        And his cap was on one side,
                        And there are stale pies in my pocket. "(C)
                      8. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 3 May 2021 07: 40
                        +2
                        "Take me, cab" (c).
                      9. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 May 2021 07: 45
                        +3
                        "The conductor is in no hurry, the conductor understands ..." (c)
                      10. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 3 May 2021 08: 03
                        +2
                        "Narva flowers, and I will give a bouquet" (c).
                      11. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 May 2021 08: 11
                        +3
                        "A million, a million scarlet roses" (c)
                      12. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 3 May 2021 08: 23
                        +2
                        “Not a bouquet of lush roses,
                        Not tulips and not lilies "(c).
                      13. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 May 2021 08: 32
                        +3
                        "You brought me today
                        Electric pump,
                        And he said that these are lilies of the valley "(c)
                      14. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 3 May 2021 08: 55
                        +2
                        "Daisies hid, buttercups drooped" (c).
                      15. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 May 2021 09: 29
                        +2
                        "Save the carnation from the rough boots,
                        A beautiful flower. "(C)

                        And here is a photo of the "beautiful flower" in profile. laughing
                      16. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 3 May 2021 14: 19
                        +2
                        Excuse me for interfering, do you have karaoke?
                      17. Catfish
                        Catfish 3 May 2021 14: 25
                        +3
                        Yes, to your health, do not interfere at all.
                        Honestly, I've never been familiar with karaoke, in the old days more and more with a guitar.
                        If anything, come in. smile
  • hohol95
    hohol95 2 May 2021 19: 02
    +7
    I associate this brand of cigarettes only with the series "Crime Stories". Burst into memory - an ad from the TV screen in 1993 - "Lucky strike presents ,,," Crime stories!
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 2 May 2021 11: 25
    +7
    I’ll take a walk.

    Photo of the turn "all of a sudden", TF 58 ships maneuver in Japanese waters... This is a demonstration performance from August 17, 45, when Halsey decided to drive a hell of a lot of ships across the sea at public expense for a series of historical photographs. That is TF38))

    And the pictures are, yes, credits.


    By the way. And when will it start about the Japanese air defense)))?
    1. Toucan
      Toucan 2 May 2021 11: 36
      +2
      By the way. And when will it start about the Japanese air defense)))?

      In a previous publication, the distinguished author listed the order in which the articles will go. Presumably, the next part will be devoted directly to the Japanese air defense. But personally, I liked the first two parts. Concise, professional enough and not biased good
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 2 May 2021 13: 07
    +6
    It was quite justified to use lighters and nuclear weapons - Japan staged a natural massacre in China and while they were doing well there, they did not stand on ceremony at all - neither with the Chinese, nor with the Koreans, nor with the captured Americans or British. They themselves tried to develop both nuclear weapons and bacteriological - and in case of success they vryatli somehow reflected on this, given the calmness with which sophisticated sadists worked from biological "detachments". War is war.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 2 May 2021 19: 20
    0
    Destroyed Yapov, and figs with them.
  • Pavel Vladimirov
    Pavel Vladimirov 5 May 2021 07: 24
    0
    Because now the Japanese love the Americans