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Volunteer army: why not?

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Nevertheless, I want to try to sort out this question. If you already have a PMC, if you have experience creating a volunteer in Russia fleetIf you have experience creating irregular units, why not ask yourself the creation of a voluntary army? Parts of the voluntary army, in essence, the national guard, may not be on the balance of the Defense Ministry, but on the balance of the administration of regions and large cities. In Russia, a huge number of demobilized professional military personnel. People able to hold in their hands weapon and knowing what discipline is! Than uselessly to throw away professional staff, you can also combine them into one thing in common. They may ask me about the feasibility of such parts. The answer lies on the surface. These parts are needed to protect areas and cities in the event of an aggression. The army and navy perform their task, the volunteer army and navy - their own. In the event of a shortage of human reserves during a war, it is the volunteer units that can serve as a reserve for the replenishment of the retired units. In the case of the retreat of the main army, it is the volunteer units that are able to create new lines of defense. Again, it is not necessary to dismiss such a function as maintaining order in the front-line zone, establishing rear support, replenishing with ammunition and equipment. A volunteer fleet is able to provide substantial assistance to the regular fleet.

How to equip a volunteer army and navy? I think that outdated weapons of the Russian army can be used to arm units. Stop thoughtlessly disposing of what still can bring tangible benefits to the country, and equip it with weapons that are outdated, but suitable for military use! A volunteer army may well include both infantry and artillery, and tankand aviation connections. Armed with obsolete weapons removed from the balance of the Ministry of Defense, these units can offer serious resistance to the aggressor, allowing the Russian army to solve more global tasks.

Volunteer units will be provided at the expense of the regions and cities for which protection they are created. Having taken the oath to the supreme commander, and being subordinate to the administration of a city or region, volunteer units operate in the territory of a given city or region, without going beyond the territory entrusted to them. In wartime, volunteer units may perform the functions of training and training recruits before sending them to the field army. In essence, the volunteer army and navy are ready to replace units with militia that retired from the current army, but since the training and arming of these units will take place before the war, this militia will initially be more viable than hastily assembled during combat operations .

Based on the foregoing, the volunteer army and navy will be a significant help to the army and navy of Russia, combining the functions of training a draftee, the defense of strategically important objects, the preparation of spare long-term defense lines and many other important functions.
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  1. Joker
    Joker 28 August 2012 09: 51
    +23
    We do not have a country of millionaires to support more dependents, because knowing the cunning of our people, those who don’t want to work will be enlisted in the volunteer army, but if you were in reserve and get money, it would be better if the camp was held for those who wanted it, it was taken to shooting, etc. and the same old samples can be preserved somewhere, and in case of war, then distributed to the population.
    1. survivor
      28 August 2012 09: 56
      +5
      It would be a way out, if not for one but passed. Remember the fees in Soviet times. the idea of ​​volunteer formations was born not to urge sloths, but to support those who professionally can hold weapons. it's about officers!
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 28 August 2012 15: 54
        -1
        Magommed agrees with you, but why do you think that will be like in the USSR ??
        I think with a responsible approach you can do it smartly!
        1. Reddragon
          Reddragon 28 August 2012 18: 08
          -1
          In the secret: there are rears and reserves that will perform some of the functions written in the article; senseless organization: in the rear, where the enemy may not reach, there is a handful of volunteers, and the city feeds not only them, but also the army (in the form of taxes). Now let's imagine that Prof. fighters - what "volunteers" can be? Cannon fodder armed with decommissioned weapons (!). Voluntary phot, this is generally heinousness (will we put rockets on fishing ships?).

          To summarize, I want to say that a bunch of fanatics have weapons that are much worse than the enemy
    2. Trance
      Trance 28 August 2012 10: 18
      +3
      Joker, the same old samples can be preserved somewhere and in case of war the population will then be distributed.

      Oleg, good afternoon. We have throughout Russia, so much has been preserved that it’s possible to fight for half a century. Cossack checkers in oil are waiting, at what rarity there is wink
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 28 August 2012 10: 23
        0
        Oo Where ?! Hachu! Is there an option ?! I'm quite serious!
        1. Yura
          Yura 28 August 2012 11: 18
          0
          Quote: klimpopov
          Oo Where ?! Hachu! Is there an option ?! I'm quite serious!

          My friend has it, at one time he even wanted to sell it, he was old, he began to amuse her, you can ask him if he sold it.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 28 August 2012 11: 48
            0
            I collect, it would be interesting to take a look.
            1. Yura
              Yura 28 August 2012 21: 44
              0
              Quote: klimpopov
              I collect, it would be interesting to take a look.

              The other day I will be with him, let's talk, then I will unsubscribe in more detail. I apologize to everyone for being off topic.
    3. klimpopov
      klimpopov 28 August 2012 10: 22
      0
      A hundred pluses, in five years, both Dad and I went to the training camp once, and then they barely got a ticket to the resort if it weren’t for Dad (reserve officer) that I wouldn’t shine ...
    4. ward
      ward 28 August 2012 12: 54
      0
      Well, let's serve serves on a contract basis, they also mostly go who don’t want to work ... no, in which case you are always welcome to partisans ... minus article ...
    5. ZAVET
      ZAVET 28 August 2012 13: 15
      +4
      Addition.
      First, protecting one’s own people is an inborn program. It is present in the DNA of every male.
      Therefore, creating a shooting range near the cities, there will not need to be forced to drive men.
      Another thing is that everyone has a job and a family. Therefore, combat training should take place in your free time. In fact, this is the Cossacks - the ARMED POPULATION.
      Secondly, remember how many informal authorities in each class. One is two, but these are TRUE authorities, in contrast to the formal ones - officer officers.
      And military units, even at school, should be created precisely under the command of these true authorities.
      This completely changes the motivation of the fighters and the relationship of power-submission.

      Another thing is that it is beneficial for the authorities to have POCKET WEAK cadre officials - officers (whom he wanted to kicked out, wanted to recruit again), and not the ARMED POPULATION, which will have to be reckoned with.
    6. Aeneas
      Aeneas 28 August 2012 22: 14
      +1
      the same American guardsmen or reservists do not have sky-high bonuses. But they have the privilege of being in a hot spot, being thrown to strengthen the regular army ...
    7. Bismark
      Bismark 29 August 2012 00: 29
      0
      Yes, it’s not even a matter of idlers. It's just that today's realities of warfare are no longer the same as in the Second World War. Such a militia in today's database really can not do anything, since the tactics of warfare today in view of improving military equipment is already different, so I see no reason for this militia. soldier
    8. NSG42
      NSG42 29 August 2012 06: 13
      0
      Everything is not bad, but we had and probably will have DOSSAF again. Around him, this is all and must be pretended. And at the expense of the oath, I think, not to the supreme commander-in-chief, but to loyalty to the Motherland - to the Fatherland.
  2. Uncle Serozha
    Uncle Serozha 28 August 2012 09: 52
    +12
    WONDERFUL idea! Territorial units of the national guard are really necessary. You should not be afraid of their fighting efficiency - in the USA, all air defense aviation in the recent past belonged to the national guard.
    Moreover, I have no doubt for a second that on the basis of units and subunits of the volunteer army you can also prepare the reserve. I'm not talking about running around with guns in the nearby hills - this is exactly what the young people do. But forty-year-olds may well take a place at the console of one of the posts of the anti-aircraft missile complex in the event of war. And since childhood at that age had already won back, but responsibility and maturity appeared, I’m sure that such reservists can perform the task better than young ones.
    It seems to me that in Russia there will be many men who have served, who would prefer serious preparation for military commissariat training. In the Soviet years, these fees turned into either drunkenness or were formalized until the essence of the matter was completely forgotten. People who receive such training can be given certain benefits, for example, extra days to leave.
    1. survivor
      28 August 2012 09: 57
      0
      exactly.
    2. Bronis
      Bronis 28 August 2012 10: 22
      +5
      Well, depending on which side to approach. If reservists are trained, then maybe something in this is. And if the paramilitary territorial formations are trained, and even in the national republics ... there are more problems than benefits. This is not a voluntary fire department to do ...
      1. 1tankist
        1tankist 28 August 2012 11: 47
        +1
        Quote: Bronis
        Well, depending on which side to approach. If reservists are trained, then maybe something in this is. And if the paramilitary territorial formations are trained, and even in the national republics ... there are more problems than benefits.


        I agree, a double-edged sword.
        To train reservists and train those who were laid off in the reserve is a plus. good
        Subordinate them to local authorities - a big minus. negative
        Giving the right to local governments to dispose of weapons, even old ones, is another minus. negative

        God forbid, under these conditions, a civil confrontation will begin. It’s not so far to agree even before the creation of private armies. Against whom will we fight? Against yourself. As they say, with good intentions we will pave the way to hell.

        The idea of ​​a volunteer army can only be supported when it is subordinated to a single command, namely the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and the Defense Ministry. It is possible to realize this idea by creating a structure for working with reservists in the Ministry of Defense, or providing military commissariats with this function by introducing appropriate posts and a military-technical base. Subjugating paramilitary groups to local authorities is harmful. Let the local authorities deal with farming, roads and landscaping.
    3. Ustas
      Ustas 28 August 2012 13: 17
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Seryozha
      WONDERFUL idea! Territorial units of the national guard are really necessary.

      The military registration and enlistment offices in the main army of military personnel can’t recruit ....
      Well and then, today there is a huge army of guards. They only protect private capital.
      And territorial formations will protect local kings.
    4. Per se.
      Per se. 28 August 2012 15: 39
      +2
      Uncle Seryozha, the idea can be wonderful only at the level of civil defense, under the patronage of the Ministry of Emergencies. If we dream about military units of territorial subordination, then at best, this is utopia, and at worst, a provocation on the precedent of destabilizing the situation in Russia.
    5. Zynaps
      Zynaps 28 August 2012 23: 49
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Seryozha
      Territorial units of the national guard are really necessary.


      this option has already passed. Until 1938, the Red Army was staffed on a territorial basis. what a "national guard" is and where to stick it within the existing military doctrine of the Russian Federation is completely incomprehensible. there is a regular army, there is a military explosive, there is an Emergencies Ministry. to procreate unnecessary entities is futile. the Ukraine has already learned this lesson.

      Quote: Uncle Seryozha
      You should not be afraid of their fighting efficiency - in the USA, all air defense aviation in the recent past belonged to the national guard.


      Yes, you should be afraid of experts who are thoughtlessly drawing on the experience of the United States, which in essence is a large island across two oceans, for which the Navy is of paramount importance. whether it is the continental power of Russia with its thousand-kilometer borders ...

      Quote: Uncle Seryozha
      Moreover, I have no doubt for a second that on the basis of units and subunits of the volunteer army you can also prepare the reserve.


      In Russia, the army has always been based not on "I want it or not," but on the realization that the defense of the country is the task of the entire people, and not just of the hunters for military service.

      Quote: Uncle Seryozha
      And since childhood at that age had already won back, but responsibility and maturity appeared, I’m sure that such reservists can perform the task better than young ones.


      according to my numerous observations of people in military service, the quality of soldiers is determined by their motivation and level of education, not age. although, of course, for some military specialties, an age limit is simply necessary.

      Quote: Uncle Seryozha
      It seems to me that in Russia there will be many men who have served, who would prefer serious preparation for military commissariat training.


      as a long-serving and serious man, I’ll say that after 30-35 years (and I’m even older), running around like a madman with a machine gun does not arise much desire. for normal men, the family comes to the fore, and not the search for adventure on their ass.

      "War is a matter for young people - a cure for wrinkles ..." Vitya Tsoi looked into the water.
    6. nmd_1
      nmd_1 29 August 2012 08: 21
      0
      Wakes up one big minus, i.e. separatism intensified multiple due to the territorial formation of YES. Imagine that in some subject of our country, where everything is still not smooth, YES is being created and at the next exercises these people are given military weapons, plus they now know where their YES warehouses are located, and even the old equipment is in the warehouses, but fighting. In general, you need to think here, far from everything is so simple. a lot of pitfalls.
  3. survivor
    28 August 2012 09: 52
    0
    something like this. I think that this thought, although somewhat absurd, has a rational kernel.
  4. predator
    predator 28 August 2012 09: 56
    +8
    What nonsense Magomed scribbled here! there wasn’t enough to divide the disputed grasslands in Russia with the help of tanks and artillery!
  5. Vadivak
    Vadivak 28 August 2012 09: 57
    +10
    These parts are needed to protect regions and cities in the event of aggression.

    Isn't it easier to learn from Switzerland?

    Its mobilization potential makes up no less than a half-million army. All soldiers daily go to their main daily work - in banks, on fields and mountain farms, watch factories and so on. But in their wardrobes they are wearing uniforms, and in a drawer in the attic are a rifle and a cartridge. In this country, all men from 20 to 40 are military personnel. The principle of manning the armed forces is militia.
    1. survivor
      28 August 2012 09: 59
      +1
      and Libya followed this path, I think what led to it, everyone remembers
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 28 August 2012 10: 24
        +1
        Quote: survivor
        and Libya followed this path, I think what led to it, everyone remembers


        No, there’s something else, less had to integrate and be friends with Berlusconi and Sarkozy and everything in Libya would be as before
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 28 August 2012 15: 55
      0
      Quote: Vadivak
      Isn't it easier to learn from Switzerland?
      In Russia, I think it won’t work!
      Agree not so responsible and law-abiding people !!
      1. vdov.inok
        vdov.inok 28 August 2012 18: 30
        0
        People recruited on a voluntary basis are usually responsible and law-abiding.
        1. Zynaps
          Zynaps 29 August 2012 00: 00
          0
          especially those hiding from justice at recruiting stations.

          freedom, as you know, is a conscious need. daragh Russians should have an understanding of how their fathers and grandfathers have - protecting the Motherland is a national task. an attempt to create an army of only those who want to serve is another way of atomizing society. people often don’t know their happiness. stunned, they drafted into the army and there he begins to value his family, close friends and things that were previously lost but not noticed before, like freedom to control himself and free time. and also, the ability to squeeze eggs into a fist and obey (with all subordination there) really helps in later life. you do not know how to obey yourself - the boss of you is also threshing floor.
      2. Bismark
        Bismark 29 August 2012 00: 33
        0
        Considering who sits in the officials and deputies of the mountains of soviets, it’s not difficult to guess whose orders this volunteer army will carry out. A small army in private hands!
    3. Odessa
      Odessa 28 August 2012 16: 34
      0
      Vadivak,
      Its mobilization potential makes up no less than a half-million army. All soldiers daily go to their main daily work - in banks, on fields and mountain farms, watch factories and so on. But in their wardrobes they are wearing uniforms, and in a drawer in the attic are a rifle and a cartridge. In this country, all men from 20 to 40 are military personnel.

      Here in Israel, it’s just that. Only for a few weeks is there also a turnout at the gathering of reservists.
      1. Zynaps
        Zynaps 29 August 2012 00: 02
        0
        Madame, Izrailovka is a microscopic country with a very specific population, environment and theater of operations. therefore, your experience can be studied and even borrowed something from it, but in a seamless form it will not climb a Russian bear.
    4. Zynaps
      Zynaps 28 August 2012 23: 54
      0
      passed. The Red Army until 1938 - a militia formation. what was the combat readiness at the beginning of the war - showed. It would seem a lesson should be learned?

      it is for small countries the militia army is acceptable. in Norway, more or less sensible resistance to the Germans was provided by members of the rifle club. but then ...

      and also, in the Soviet Army they wisely noticed that the closer the service is closer to home, the closer to the prison. there are too many temptations.
  6. the polar
    the polar 28 August 2012 09: 58
    +6
    Author, one word "magomed" ...
    also the "volunteer fleet" ...

    Why post such articles at all.

    There are explosives (internal troops) with their own range of tasks, in accordance with the constitution.
    1. survivor
      28 August 2012 10: 00
      -1
      but what is bad about Magomed? what is better than the survivor? so one person like ....
    2. uralkos
      uralkos 28 August 2012 10: 07
      +3
      VV are conscripts, or special forces. So they talk about replacing conscripts with volunteers. Efficiency will be many times higher. Personally, I have many military specialties. Which are not needed in the civilian world, and every year they spend millions of money in the Army to train bald youths and after a year they leave and everything repeats again and again. Well, what is the result. The technique is shattered because there is no master, and no one can become a pro, because in a year it is impossible to become one. I’m silent about the complicated equipment and technology stuffed with electronic systems. And you need to constantly keep your finger on the pulse in order to remain competent in your field. It's my opinion.
      1. survivor
        28 August 2012 10: 16
        +1
        EXACTLY! sophisticated equipment requires a professional approach. A conscript is not able to master it in a year. Again, the officer corps is not rubber and is knocked out in the war in the first place! we’ll be youngsters, let us fly at the front. right after school, of which there are not many now?
      2. the polar
        the polar 28 August 2012 19: 06
        0
        uralkos,
        To do this, it is necessary to return the prestige of military service and a two-year term, and only, and not dream that in every village there will be a volunteer fart, "to defend the country."
      3. Zynaps
        Zynaps 29 August 2012 00: 06
        +1
        Quote: uralkos
        Personally, I have many military specialties.


        and continue to possess further. the institution of "crickets" or, in a newfangled way, "double basses" has not been canceled. you just have to approach everything with your head. send a person after a radio technical school to air defense or electronic warfare units, and not to lay railways or airplanes to twist their tails.
      4. Bismark
        Bismark 29 August 2012 00: 36
        0
        Forgive me, but the article is not about that. Here a little about the other.
      5. Evgen232
        Evgen232 29 August 2012 00: 36
        0
        So organize a club for schoolchildren, teach, and collect funds from parents, only within reasonable limits. I would give my son in normal hands to raise a warrior, I myself did not succeed.
  7. Vanek
    Vanek 28 August 2012 09: 58
    0
    Volunteer army: why not?

    And really, why not?
    1. Trance
      Trance 28 August 2012 10: 24
      +2
      VanekAnd really, why not?

      Good afternoon, Ivan. Yes, yes, let’s develop separatism with our own hands.
      Ivan, I hope you were joking.
      1. tan0472
        tan0472 28 August 2012 11: 03
        0
        Quote: Trance
        Yes, yes, let’s develop separatism with our own hands.

        Is this your country or are you an occupier? Are you afraid that the population will have weapons, so as not to go to the partisans?
        1. Trance
          Trance 28 August 2012 11: 28
          +1
          tan0472Is this your country or are you an occupier?

          Russia, my homeland and my ancestors.


          tan0472Are you afraid that the population will have weapons so that they do not go into partisans?

          The question is provocative. If our present society were homogeneous, I didn’t even have a drop of doubt.
        2. Tiger
          Tiger 28 August 2012 22: 17
          0
          Let's not mix the topic of a volunteer army with the legalization of weapons.
    2. Zynaps
      Zynaps 29 August 2012 00: 08
      0
      because an extra way to atomize a country. instead of the idea of ​​rallying, as was the case with the ancestors, the defense of the Motherland is the business of the whole people, and not just lovers.

      is it really so difficult to understand this simple thought?
  8. albanec
    albanec 28 August 2012 09: 59
    +1
    I think that outdated weapons of the Russian army can be used to arm units. Stop thoughtlessly disposing of what still can bring tangible benefits to the country, and equip it with weapons that are outdated, but suitable for military use!
    In addition to the main armament, it’s also very expensive to maintain obsolete weapons. smile
    1. survivor
      28 August 2012 10: 03
      0
      the maintenance of weapons at the expense of the administration of those territorial entities on which a part is deployed.
      what is VV I think everyone knows !!! here is the proposal for the creation of officer units ...
      1. kotdavin4i
        kotdavin4i 28 August 2012 10: 30
        +1
        Quote: survivor
        the maintenance of weapons at the expense of the administration of those territorial entities on which a part is deployed

        Peppy morning Dear - and now let's think about it, the content of the equipment on the balance implies not only that it will be in garages and hangars - this technique must be driven and fired so that it can be used at the right time (and the personnel at least sometimes have to practice their skills and skills), which means that we need landfills, tankodromes. For equipment in the event of a breakdown, spare parts are needed, but they are no longer being produced - where will we get it?
  9. volcano
    volcano 28 August 2012 10: 00
    +8
    These parts are needed to protect regions and cities in the event of aggression. The army and navy fulfill their mission, the volunteer army and navy fulfill their own. In case of lack of human reserves during the war, it is the volunteer units that can serve as a reserve for replenishing the retired units. In the event of a retreat of the main army, it is the volunteer units that are able to create new lines of defense.

    Well ... ahem ... as if ....
    What are you talking about?
    What is the defense of cities, what are the new lines of defense ???

    What are you going to arm them with so that they can perform such tasks ???
    Tanks, front-line aviation, artillery, MLRS systems?
    So this is your respected Second Army succeed .....
    And if you equip them with small arms, then the tasks that you set them to never fulfill.
    To maintain order, there is a Ministry of Internal Affairs with explosives in their composition.
    The number of explosives is 425 thousand people.
    That is quite enough.
    No need to reinvent the wheel ... it has already been invented.
  10. DIMS
    DIMS 28 August 2012 10: 07
    +2
    Voluntary units will be provided at the expense of regions and cities, for the protection of which they were created

    Which already have enough money. That is, again, the center will finance.

    And please clean about "oath to the supreme commander-in-chief"painfully ear cuts
    1. oper66
      oper66 28 August 2012 10: 13
      +4
      And local princelings such as mayors, heads and governors will have at their disposal militarized units with their direct control - and again the story of the continuation of "Gulyai-Polya" Makhnovshchina and fertile ground for separatism - remember the story when the damned EBNo allowed Czechs to have their own army on the territory of the Russian Federation and brought parts of the RF Ministry of Defense - a bad idea or maybe a smart one is too clever to check the ground
      1. survivor
        28 August 2012 10: 18
        0
        that's why the oath to the top. submission to local princes will not.
        1. volcano
          volcano 28 August 2012 10: 29
          +5
          Survivor
          the oath is not given to the President
          It is given to the Motherland and the People
          And let those who wish to the President give some kind of "vassal oath".
        2. oper66
          oper66 28 August 2012 10: 39
          +2
          Whoever pays and dances the girl - if this gang is to be kept by the district or province, then of course she will obey him, like the oath to the president, well, complete insanity - this is the president who gives the oath of allegiance to the people and the country
  11. anchonsha
    anchonsha 28 August 2012 10: 10
    0
    Absurdity, the more, the farther ... Well, well, it would be somewhere in the Caucasus for the defense of mountain villages, or in Dagestan from bandits. And in the rest of Russia, why? In muddy water you can catch a good fish.
    1. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 28 August 2012 10: 39
      +1
      Quote: anchonsha
      in the Caucasus for the defense of mountain villages, or in Dagestan from bandits

      And here is where the main byaka lies, a large number of weapons in the Caucasus, and even in the hands of the "volunteer army" - no one knows how many people there will support the government in the event of a change in policy - will not happen what happened in Chechnya in the 90s only on a larger scale?
  12. Igarr
    Igarr 28 August 2012 10: 28
    0
    In my opinion, not viable.
    In peacetime - how to put together parts, how to work out interaction? With whom? What are your plans?
    Accordingly - who will finance the parts? In what volumes? Who will be responsible for spending? Stolen along the way.
    Nobody trusts military weapons - to volunteers.
    In wartime - these volunteers sit still, and regular units, say, ride back and forth. Someone will obviously begin to interfere with someone. Again the issue of interaction.
    ...
    Indeed, indeed, as they propose, the Swiss model is introduced.
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 28 August 2012 10: 44
      0
      Sustainable, American Nat. The Guard is formed on this principle. But there its creation is connected with a small legislative nuance - a ban on the actions of the Ministry of Defense on its territory.
      1. tan0472
        tan0472 28 August 2012 11: 09
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        Quote: DIMS
        a ban on the actions of Moscow Region on its territory.

        You seriously think that if the Chinese landing in California landed, then Nat will fight with it. Guard, and the army will watch?
      2. tan0472
        tan0472 28 August 2012 11: 21
        0
        Quote: DIMS
        Sustainable, American Nat. The Guard is formed on this principle. But there its creation is connected with a small legislative nuance - a ban on the actions of the Ministry of Defense on its territory.

        You seriously think that if the Chinese landing in California landed, then Nat will fight with it. Guard, and the army will watch?
    2. tan0472
      tan0472 28 August 2012 11: 18
      +3
      Quote: Igarr
      Again the issue of interaction.

      Communication is very important. But is not the ability to hold a weapon more important than "remembering" as it was 10-20 years ago?
      Can for the bulk replace the regular service (1-2) of the year with regular 1-2 months of training every 3-5 years (with real firing, etc.) that is, what will come in handy in a REAL battle? For complex equipment, there must be long-term professional contractors. IMHO.
      1. Region71
        Region71 28 August 2012 19: 33
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        It’s even strange that you haven’t been bombarded yet. There was one former soldier who suggested something similar in one of the discussions, I supported him. Here we got the minuses.
  13. T72B
    T72B 28 August 2012 10: 58
    +1
    Switzerland, nat. US Guard ... Why go so far for examples? Territorial Defense Forces in Belarus. Subordinates directly to the president. They conduct annual exercises. And in which case they perform tasks to protect communications, capture saboteurs, etc.
  14. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 28 August 2012 11: 16
    +2
    No no and one more time no!
    A voluntary army can only be in two cases:
    1-The threat of the existence of the state, an attack from an external enemy to their homeland. This type of voluntary army manifests itself in partisan movements and popular militias. In peacetime, this army is not needed, but the military organizes itself, and for free, as they say for the idea, for the homeland, for relatives and friends. If we talk about the preparation of such a voluntary army, it is enough to arrange literally monthly courses for a young soldier, so that any man knows the minimum fundamentals of military affairs. In fact, in the USSR from school there was a lesson in military training and life safety.
    2-Volunteer army of working mercenaries for money.
    No comments. If in the regular army officers also work for money, but first of all they pay off debt to their homeland, then in the second, first money, and then debt. From here a conclusion is drawn on how motivated a person who works solely for money can be (for how much he will value his life, for example, being in a battlefield as a German near Stalingrad, etc.). A mercenary is a mercenary, i.e. assassin. Personally, my attitude to such mercenaries will always be negative, I do not see any honor in this.
    And if you need to solve problems, so modernize the existing army, increase the authority of the country in the world, so that the Russian soldier is respected and afraid. You look and killer mercenaries are not needed.
    1. Bismark
      Bismark 29 August 2012 00: 45
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      I absolutely support you! It would be better if they thought of how to raise the prestige of Dossaf. By the way, with the help of it, one could also organize monthly KMB for those who wish, or how in England to conduct a march of throws with specific obstacle courses for those who wish.
  15. apro
    apro 28 August 2012 11: 22
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    I understand a volunteer in the army but a separate army? Why is there another reason for unrest, especially from one ethnic territory of the city, remember France with its mobile phones and the National Guards unstable parts and if something like that only be done as part of the \ s.
  16. Karabin
    Karabin 28 August 2012 12: 40
    +5
    Volunteer army in the subjects is simply necessary, especially in the current conditions. I propose to create it in all subjects. Accordingly, there should be headquarters, warehouses, training grounds and airfields. And more generals, more generals! First of all, the generals produce authoritative businessmen, deputies and local ministers, as well as their wives and mistresses, so that the latter do not get bored and are imbued with patriotism. The speed of the assignment of the next military rank should be the same as on the site topwar.ru, so that in a short period all volunteers become marshals. Provide for the title of Generalissimo. (For governors).
    Volunteer armies in Siberia and the Far East to form under the banners with the face of Kolchak, Ataman Semenov and Baron Ungern. In Muslim regions, give the green flag to volunteers and immediately, away from sin, send them on a campaign against the infidels. Announce the Chinese as infidels, because the states are far away, and the volunteer fleet has not yet been developed. In the Kaliningrad region to revive chivalry. In rural areas, organize volunteer guerrilla groups. In mountain and taiga regions, organize caches with weapons and ammunition. In the steppe regions, to equip detachments with right-handed Japanese SUVs with a DShK. In peacetime, allow them to be used on the hunt (for training). Swear allegiance only to his feud ... to the governor. To disband the regular army and explosives, to award Serdyukov. Rename the police .... gendarmerie and issue shoulder straps with skulls. Divide nuclear weapons honestly, i.e. at the place of deployment. Then, everyone will really be afraid of us.
    1. volcano
      volcano 28 August 2012 18: 29
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      Karabin
      There are people here who will ignore you ..... without a sense of humor, so to speak
      You at least put a smiley for them wink
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 28 August 2012 18: 46
        +2
        Quote: volkan
        There are people here who will minus you ...

        Do not care.
        Quote: volkan
        .without a sense of humor so to speak

        It's hard, but still treated.
        Quote: volkan
        You at least put a smiley for them

        Thanks, I’ve taken it into account.Karabin,

        Volunteer army in the subjects is simply necessary, especially in the current conditions. I propose to create it in all subjects. Accordingly, there should be headquarters, warehouses, training grounds and airfields. And more generals, more generals! First of all, the generals produce authoritative businessmen, deputies and local ministers, as well as their wives and mistresses, so that the latter do not get bored and are imbued with patriotism. The speed of the assignment of the next military rank should be the same as on the site topwar.ru, so that in a short period all volunteers become marshals. Provide for the title of Generalissimo. (For governors).
        Volunteer armies in Siberia and the Far East to form under the banners with the face of Kolchak, Ataman Semenov and Baron Ungern. In Muslim regions, give the green flag to volunteers and immediately, away from sin, send them on a campaign against the infidels. Announce the Chinese as infidels, because the states are far away, and the volunteer fleet has not yet been developed. In the Kaliningrad region to revive chivalry. In rural areas, organize volunteer guerrilla groups. In mountain and taiga regions, organize caches with weapons and ammunition. In the steppe regions, to equip detachments with right-handed Japanese SUVs with a DShK. In peacetime, allow them to be used on the hunt (for training). Swear allegiance only to his feud ... to the governor. To disband the regular army and explosives, to award Serdyukov. Rename the police .... gendarmerie and issue shoulder straps with skulls. Divide nuclear weapons honestly, i.e. at the place of deployment. Then, everyone will really be afraid of us.
        tongue wassat laughing
        1. Region71
          Region71 28 August 2012 19: 31
          +1
          Well said. With healthy sarcasm good
          1. Bismark
            Bismark 29 August 2012 00: 48
            0
            good Humor is good!
        2. admiral993
          admiral993 30 August 2012 13: 17
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          Already I'm starting to be afraid of us))))))
  17. Region71
    Region71 28 August 2012 12: 44
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    The National Guard in Russia does not take root for a very simple reason. To support it, you need money, and they are not always enough for the army, they squeeze where you can and cannot. For thanks, no one will serve the national guard, the men need to feed their families, and this is how the majority revolve without weekends. There may be sons of rich dads who decided to serve in the national guard in the wake of patriotism. There will be little use of such an army.
    1. vdov.inok
      vdov.inok 28 August 2012 18: 37
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      Oblige to legally pay the fees of the militias, their employers. After all, their business will also not remain if the country is occupied by the aggressor.
      1. REPA1963
        REPA1963 28 August 2012 22: 07
        +1
        The aggressor is already in the Kremlin!
  18. bask
    bask 28 August 2012 13: 02
    0
    Distributing weapons to the population in Israel and Switzerland is cool. But you need to allow them to shoot from different mats. They divorced unintentionally. You can shake but not everyone. And yet another crazy crap. Regular army. We can’t rearm in any way. So a cool article.
  19. JonnyT
    JonnyT 28 August 2012 13: 44
    0
    If there is a gun in the house, then it will shoot sooner or later. Excessive militarization always leads to tension.

    If there is a gun in the house, then it will shoot sooner or later. Excessive militarization always leads to tension.
  20. baltika-18
    baltika-18 28 August 2012 16: 09
    +2
    Bullshit. Every local king (governor) also has an army personal at the expense of the people, it’s cool to say. Well, then we’ll go region to region, village to village.
  21. vdov.inok
    vdov.inok 28 August 2012 18: 25
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    It’s a good idea, and by the way a few years ago it was already being worked out by the ministry. But something died out on the initial path. Either because of financing, or because of organizational and managerial issues. But it was in our city that two groups based on the military enlistment office began 30 people, one acting and the other in reserve. The group should have been provided with transport, communications, automatic small arms, machine guns, a grenade launcher, a sniper, a miner. The charges should have been held initially for a period of 3 months, then at intervals of 3 months for 2 weeks. On the question as far as I know, he was enlisted in one of the groups. I believe that in today's world political situation the creation of such self-defense groups is necessary to help combat the alleged enemy sabotage groups, to combat the intensifying criminal elements, as well as in the event of an unfavorable outcome in war, to organize partisan movements. And they should be managed by the Ministry of Defense or Sat
  22. puskarinkis
    puskarinkis 28 August 2012 19: 05
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    A volunteer regional army makes sense. The only question is how to properly organize and integrate it into the overall system and what tasks to set. Naturally, there can be no question of submission to local "kings"! But such an army has a combat potential. For example, in Lithuania there is such a structure. It is no secret that the Lithuanian army has no chance of winning in large-scale military operations, even if the entire population is put under arms. There are professionals who serve within NATO in "hot spots" and are mainly confronted with guerrilla activities. There are volunteer forces in the structure of the Ministry of Defense, which could become the basis of partisan detachments in the event of a seizure of territories. And professionals, could pass on experience and become the backbone of partisan detachments. In Russia, it seems to me, it makes sense to create such formations in the border areas. In other areas, there may be different specifics of training. In any case, volunteers could provide assistance in training in the framework of DOSAAF, CWP, in secondary army positions, etc. In Lithuania, "volunteers" gathers are held approximately once a month (1 weekend), plus there are different courses. The time spent at the training camps is compensated like wages or is calculated from the minimum wage. From what budget this will be done is another question. Earlier, when there was a draft army, 5 years of volunteer fees were equated with service. If you wish, you can transfer from volunteers to a professional service. Some believe that armed with old weapons and poorly trained volunteers will become "cannon fodder" ... I believe that the "meat" will be Untrained and Unarmed people who do not know how to handle weapons. And if the state wants to have a reliable army and population Ready to stand up for themselves, then the volunteer forces should become a link in the chain of NVP-DOSAAF-Army-Volunteers. Their functions can be wide - from teaching CWP in schools to providing assistance to the Ministry of Emergency Situations in emergency situations.
  23. PST
    PST 28 August 2012 19: 48
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    Skeptics should recall that in the last war all parties were forced to use unprepared civilians, i.e. militia.
    Since then, the technique has become more complicated, so in a week or two you can’t master it. Therefore, the author’s proposal certainly has a rational grain, especially since other countries do this in different forms. For example, millions of barrels of civilians in the United States - one of the forms of such forces. However, one can speak about the subordination of these forces to local authorities only in organizational and economic terms. Operational subordination is unambiguously MO, in extreme cases, the Ministry of Emergencies.
  24. Alekseev
    Alekseev 28 August 2012 20: 01
    +1
    There should be a reserve army. Since ancient times, there has been a division into a squad and a militia, because it is not feasible to maintain professional Armed Forces capable of performing all the tasks of defending our huge country, which is not protected by the ocean (and internal conflicts, as we have all seen, can be very, very large-scale) economically. And it is not advisable. And the basis of the "militia", its organizational core, of course, should be voluntary.
    The main problem, it seems to me, is not in finances, not in the availability of weapons and equipment and trained command personnel and mob. Resources, but in the absence of order in the state. They cannot bring the "main" army to mind, "one step forward, two steps back." The "kingdom of thieves amateurs" is flourishing and not only in the Moscow region.
    In such conditions, the voluntary army of the reserve will turn at the expense of the budget either into a useless "apiary", or into a "land of unafraid idiots."
    1. puskarinkis
      puskarinkis 28 August 2012 20: 58
      +1
      and it can also turn into a force that will drive away such a government that cannot organize the normal life and work of the state ... They are afraid of this, just like the permission to own weapons. The "men" will shoot all the "smart-ass"! )))
  25. Tiger
    Tiger 28 August 2012 21: 39
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    1. "You need to discount such a function as maintaining order in the front-line zone, establishing logistic support, replenishing ammunition and equipment." - why duplicate the functions of state structures? all this is provided for by the mobilization plan at the state level.
    The army is the exclusive competence of the federation (according to the Constitution).

    2. Subjects will not be able to finance such a militia - they already live on subsidies from the federal budget.

    3. It is fraught with the fact that there will be such an army only in a number of subjects. And not the fact that she will be loyal.
  26. Vlaleks48
    Vlaleks48 28 August 2012 22: 33
    +1
    Something the author has muddied up!
    We have any good deed quickly overgrown with those who want to cut the dough in an easy way and, as said in one of the comments, become a general with honorable duties in the grave of life!
    God forbid, of course, but in the event of the "X" day, we will find people of any age to stand up for themselves and their relatives and friends, with arms in hand, which means for the HOMELAND !!!
  27. darkman70
    darkman70 28 August 2012 23: 03
    +1
    A strange proposal by the author of Magomed.)))
    Honestly, I still do not understand why all this is necessary ???
    There are explosives, why do they need to be duplicated? Then, if they are funded by the region ..... then this is nothing, but what if the republic? Would the local elite want to use such parts to try to secede from Russia ?? Yes, even with tanks and planes ... That will be fun.))
    In general, volunteer units appear where the state is ruined, there is no army, but there are people who are ready to defend their ideas with weapons in their hands. And still, with the strengthening of the state, such units are always disbanded or transferred to a professional basis. Semi-partisanism is always weaker than prof. army in all respects.
    In short, it is better for Russia to simply have a strong and technically packed army.
  28. PSih2097
    PSih2097 29 August 2012 01: 11
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    The author, as I already spoke for the Russian Volunteer Legion, on the principle of the Soviet Military Advisers, plus the power unit, in general somewhere in the army ... to an excessively demobilized people who did not find themselves in peace ... Why not ?
  29. admiral993
    admiral993 30 August 2012 13: 12
    +1
    Transfer Volunteer units to the balance of local administrations, yeah, for each prince and for his personal squad, no, we swam, we know.
    In general, such fantasies should remain at the fantasy stage. How (by participants) will the volunteer army differ from the contract? Yes, nothing, the same men voluntarily going into the army.
    True, the postulates of this idea can be retrained: it is true that the stored weapons should not be disposed of, but stored in a preserved state for militia in case of war. And what is the experience of the Civil Defense and Emergencies Ministry in Soviet times, it remains only to introduce it back to the schools of non-governmental educational institutions and everything will be relatively openwork.