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How Hitler Crushed Yugoslavia and Greece

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How Hitler Crushed Yugoslavia and Greece
German soldiers, caught by sniper fire on the road, return fire. Yugoslavia

Italian problem



Duce, dreaming of creating a new Roman Empire, decided it was time to act. He was especially attracted by Greece. He hoped to attract, as it were, "kindred" Roman-speaking Romania. Mussolini, after losing the illusion that Italy is the "elder brother" and the Third Reich is the "younger", considered: let the Germans dominate in Western and Northern Europe, while Italy should dominate in South-Eastern Europe. In addition, he decided to create a huge colonial empire in North and East Africa. And capture British Somalia, Sudan and Egypt.

The Italian military-political leadership dreamed too much, but it clearly lacked the will, determination and energy. As well as the military-industrial potential. Italy had a chance to snatch victory in Egypt and East Africa, having there initially a huge advantage in strength, in soldiers and in number tanks and aircraft. England during this period pulled back the best forces for the battle in Europe and its own defense. The Italians at this time could concentrate all the air and naval forces for the operation in Malta, conduct an amphibious operation, take the island - a key position in the central Mediterranean Sea. Then send selected mobile divisions that remained in the metropolis to Libya and break through to the Suez. Further, it was possible to unite the Italian North and East Africa. But the Italians limited themselves to the first victories in Sudan, Somalia and Egypt. And on this they calmed down. Lost precious time. They acted too stupidly, hesitantly, without concentration, a clear strategy.

In addition, the commander-in-chief of the Italian army in Libya, Marshal Graziani, knew about Mussolini's preparations for the Greek campaign. I decided that it was necessary to wait, gain a foothold in the occupied territory, tighten up the rear, and establish supplies. At this time, the British will begin to transfer troops from Egypt and Palestine to the Balkans. In North Africa, the front will be bare, and then the Italians will reach the Suez. As a result, Italy lost its strategic initiative and advantage in Africa.

Meanwhile, the British, realizing that Hitler would not go to storm the English Isles, captured and defeated the fleet of Vichy France (Operation "Catapult". How the British drowned the French fleet), with the help of detachments of the "Free French" captured Gabon, launched an offensive in other French colonies, quickly strengthened their positions in Malta, Egypt, Sudan and Kenya.

German gunners with 37mm PaK 35/36 anti-tank guns on a mountain road in Yugoslavia. 1941 g.

German soldiers and a Pz.Kpfw tank. III on the street of the Yugoslav city of Nis

Hitler's plans


Meanwhile, the Fuhrer also took into account the actions of the ally in Africa and adjusted his plans. Operation Sea Lion (capture of Britain) was finally released on the brakes. Admiral Raeder drew Adolf's attention to the fact that the fatal blow to England can be inflicted not only by landing in England, but also in the Mediterranean. Capture the most important British bases and bridgeheads - Gibraltar, Malta, Egypt with Suez. Intercept the most important communication linking the British metropolis with its colonies. Break through to the Middle East, where Turkey and the Arab tribes will go over to the side of the Germans. All the prerequisites for the implementation of such a project were there. Italy had colonies in North Africa. Syria and Lebanon belonged to the allied Vichy France.

It was only necessary to focus on this project, to combine all efforts and skillfully direct them. Hitler first became interested in this plan. To capture Gibraltar, they began to train paratroopers, who distinguished themselves in Belgium and Holland. We decided to come to an agreement with Spain. Hitler and Ribbentrop began to persuade Franco. They recalled that they helped him win the civil war. They offered a military alliance.

However, the Spanish caudillo was on his own mind. In words, he was extremely grateful and friendly. But in fact, he dodged in every possible way and wanted to avoid participation in the war. In principle, it could be understood: Spain suffered heavy losses in the turmoil, it took time to heal the wounds, and it was extremely dangerous to fight with England and in the future with the United States. It was more reasonable to benefit from both sides.

After empty correspondence, Hitler decided that a personal meeting was needed. He believed in his "magnetism", the ability to subordinate other people to his will. However, this number did not work with Franco. The Spanish ruler talked about friendship, bargained, offered to give him all the French colonies in Africa. Upfront, just like that. He himself promised to seize Gibraltar. But without specific commitments and deadlines. As a result, the Fuhrer's visit was wasted.

Obviously, the Fuhrer would have been able to crush Franco if he had abandoned the campaign to Russia and concentrated his efforts on the southern strategic direction - the Mediterranean Sea, the Middle East, then Persia and India. However, he could not abandon the idea of ​​a war with the Russians, which was fatal for the Reich. Therefore, he did not increase the pressure on Spain, he did not need a quarrel with the caudillo at the time of the impending march to the East.

From Franco, Hitler went to Marshal Pétain. The Frenchman was ready for anything. He signed an agreement that France will participate in the fight against England within the limits of its capabilities. Fortunately, the French were angry with the attacks of the British and de Gaulle on their fleet and colonies. For this, France was to receive an important place in the new world.

German parachutist looks at a pile of trophy weaponscaptured in the city of Corinth (Greece). In the foreground and to the right of the paratrooper, captured Greek officers

The failure of Mussolini's adventure


However, while the Fuhrer was negotiating with Spain and France, Mussolini presented him with an unpleasant surprise. He harbored a grudge against Hitler. He was unhappy that he received so little after the defeat of France. I learned that the Germans appeared in Romania. And Duce believed that the Balkans were his sphere of life. The Germans did not even warn, did not want to agree! Mussolini got angry and decided to pay back in kind. He ordered the troops stationed in Albania to launch an invasion of Greece. On October 28, 1940, the Greco-Italian War began. The Fuehrer was not warned about this. True, intelligence reported to Hitler about the plans of the Duce, and he went from France to Italy to cool the ardor of his comrade-in-arms. But I was late. The invasion of Greece has already begun.

Hitler was annoyed. As it turned out, he was not afraid in vain. The Italians were embarrassed. The theater was difficult. The Greek army was far from perfect. The weapons are mostly outdated, there are few tanks and aircraft, guns of different calibers, systems, production and time. There was not enough ammunition, often cartridges were given out by the piece (30 rounds per rifle). However, the Greeks fought for their homeland. Their morale was high. The Italians pushed the border units of the Greeks, but then the enemy maneuvered, gathered forces and hit the flank. The Duce army rolled back. The Greek army continued to advance, the Italians could have been driven out of Albania (How the mediocre Italian blitzkrieg failed in Greece).

Meanwhile, the British strengthened their forces in Africa and launched a counteroffensive. The Italians relaxed in six months, they did not establish reconnaissance. A sudden blow to a relatively small British group in Egypt in December 1940 led to the complete defeat of the Italian army. The British pursued the demoralized enemy for two months, captured Tobruk, Benghazi. The Graziani army practically ceased to exist: 130 thousand prisoners alone, large trophies - 500 tanks, more than 1200 guns. In East Africa, the British also went on the offensive. Ethiopia revolted. By April 1941, the Italian colonial empire in East Africa had fallen (Operation Compass; How Mussolini's East African Empire died).

Thus, instead of the victories that the Duce dreamed of, the threat of catastrophe arose. Berlin now had to fear that Rome would panic at all and ask England for a separate peace. In this case, a great threat arose for the Reich in the south. Italy was pulling out of the war. The neutrality of Greece was broken, and the British landed there. Germany received the threat of war on two fronts in Europe, in the event of a war with the Russians. The Duce's adventures mixed up the Fuhrer's plans.

Greek soldiers in battle in the mountains during the war with Italy in the winter of 1940-1941.

The need to invade the Balkans


Hitler had to intervene to avoid a war on two fronts in the European theater and to improve the Duce's affairs. Rommel's corps was sent to North Africa, which launched an offensive at the end of March 1941, defeated the British, recaptured Benghazi and laid siege to Tobruk (How Rommel defeated the British in Cyrenaica).

The Greek problem had to be solved. The British made an alliance with the Greeks, landed on the islands of Crete and Lemnos, in the mainland of Greece. From Greek airfields, the British were able to strike at the oil fields of Romania - the main source of fuel for the Wehrmacht. When the war with the Russians began, the southern part of the Eastern Front could be under the threat of an enemy strike.

The British were actively negotiating to win over Yugoslavia and Turkey to their side. The Americans were also unexpectedly active in the region. One of the heads of the US intelligence services, William Donovan, appeared in the Balkans. He urged the governments of the Balkan countries to oppose the Third Reich.

However, the Germans had strong positions in the region. Romanians and Bulgarians have already sided with Hitler. Turkey was an ally of Germany in the First World War. True, then the Turks got a hard hit, their empire collapsed. Therefore, this time the Turks were in no hurry to get into a fight. But they did not want to be at enmity with the Germans either. They preferred to wait, whose will take. Belgrade doubted whether the British would help or abandon, like Poland, Norway and France? While diplomatic maneuvers were going on, Hitler decided it was time to rectify the situation with brute force. In January 1941, a military council was held at the Berghof. The Fuhrer ordered to send troops to Albania, to strengthen the Italian army. The Fuhrer ordered Greece to be crushed before attacking the USSR. The operation was named "Marita" (the plan was being prepared since December 1940).

Column of Italian bersagliers on Dubrovnik street

Riot in Romania


In Romania and Bulgaria, the 12th army of General Field Marshal List, 19 divisions (including 5 tank divisions) was deployed. True, at this time a commotion began in Romania. General Antonescu came into conflict with the fascist "Iron Guard". Right-wing radicals felt that their time had come. It is necessary to "cleanse" the country not only of Jews, communists and other leftists, but also of thieves-officials, the old intelligentsia, democratic leaders associated with the financial, industrial, military and political elite of the country. That is, the Iron Guards encroached on power. This spoiled Antonescu's relationship with his deputy, the leader of the Iron Guard Horia Sima. At the end of November 1940, Antonescu ordered to deprive the guardsmen of police functions, in December he ordered to suppress their arbitrariness.

This confrontation alarmed Hitler. He had to choose who to bet on. The guards, who demanded full coordination of the foreign and domestic policy of Romania with the actions of Germany, were confident that the Germans would support them. Romanian fascists idealized the Reich. They considered themselves brothers with both the Italian Blackshirts and the German SS men. On January 14, 1941, Antonescu visited Berlin, personally met with the Fuhrer. Antonescu liked Hitler. He liked the clever politician more than the radical legionnaires. He has already cut out similar ones (attack aircraft) in Germany - "Night of the Long Knives". The Romanian general showed full readiness for obedience, signed an agreement on economic cooperation for 10 years. Romania became a raw material appendage of the Reich.

On January 19, 1941, the Romanian radicals started an open mutiny. They hoped that the Germans would support them. But the attention of the legionnaires was focused on the Jews, mass pogroms and murders began. The most massive clashes took place in Bucharest. At this time, the government mobilized the police, the army, and street fighting began. Berlin officially supported Antonescu. The Romanian troops were reinforced by the Germans. On January 23, the mutiny was suppressed. Hundreds of people were killed and thousands were arrested. The guard was dispersed and banned. Sima with a group of legionnaires fled to Germany, then to Italy.

As a result, Antonescu received a government and parliament under his control. The young King Mihai was actually a puppet. The new ruler of the country declared himself a marshal and conductor (translated as "leader", that is, Duce, Fuhrer).

Antonescu and Sima in October 1940

Hitler and Antonescu. 1941 g.

Coup in Yugoslavia


The Germans did not have any problems with Bulgaria. Tsar Boris liked the German victories. In February 1941, German troops entered Bulgaria. Even earlier, the Reich was able to use the roads, airports and ports of Bulgaria. The country began to build a new network of airfields. Bulgaria refused to fight against Greece and Yugoslavia, but agreed to use its territory as a springboard for the German army and to occupy the border areas with its own forces. On March 1, 1941, Sofia joined the Berlin Pact.

Hungary itself was eager to fight. The Hungarians liked the fact that in alliance with the Germans they had already received a part of Slovakia, Subcarpathia and Northern Transylvania. They got a taste and wanted more. Only the Prime Minister of Teleki insisted that one should be friends with the Germans, but it was also impossible to break with England, and even more so to enter the war. In addition, in 1940 Hungary signed an "eternal friendship" agreement with Yugoslavia. But Teleki was left completely alone. He was pecked at in government, parliament and society. Teleki committed suicide. On March 30, 1941, the Chief of the Hungarian General Staff Werth and the German General Paulus signed an agreement that Hungary would send 10 infantry and motorized brigades (about 5 divisions) for joint participation in the war against Yugoslavia.

The delegation of the Bulgarian city solemnly greets the German officer. The photo was taken during the entry of German troops into Bulgaria for the subsequent attack from its territory on Yugoslavia and Greece. March 1941

Hungarian units in the Yugoslav city of Sombor. In the center is a Swiss-made Solothurn S20-18 100mm anti-tank rifle. The soldiers are armed with various types of rifles, including the Mannlicher M95 / 31 and the Solothurn 31M (MG30) machine guns. April 21, 1941

In Yugoslavia, the mood in the ruling circles was contradictory.

On the one hand, the Serbs remembered the horrors of the Austro-German occupation of 1915. Traditional sympathies for Russia and France remained. Britain and the United States tried to persuade Belgrade to their side.

On the other hand, in Belgrade they understood that the power was on the side of the Reich, a direct conflict would lead to a new catastrophe. Britain's help is questionable. German diplomats diligently processed the government of Prime Minister Cvetkovic and Prince Regent Paul - he occupied the throne on behalf of the minor prince Peter. They promised to hand over Thessaloniki to Yugoslavia.

The military-political leadership of Yugoslavia, realizing the impossibility of resisting Germany, on March 25, 1941 joined the Berlin Pact (the Vienna Protocol was signed). The Germans promised to preserve the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country and did not even demand the transit of troops through Yugoslavia. Belgrade did not participate in the military operations of the Axis countries. After the victory over Greece, the Germans offered to reward Yugoslavia. However, the Tsvetkovich cabinet conducted these negotiations in deep secrecy from the public, where anti-German sentiments prevailed. The delegation from Belgrade to Vienna traveled in secret. It was hoped that the people, faced with the fact, would accept this agreement.

Did not work out. As soon as people knew that their country had joined the Berlin-Rome-Tokyo alliance, Yugoslavia began to boil. People took to the streets of cities with slogans: "Better war than a pact", "Better to die than become a slave." In 400 thousand Belgrade 80 thousand people took to the streets. Only Croatian nationalists were in favor of an alliance with Hitler. A group of military, taking advantage of the riots, staged a coup. On March 27, 1941, Prince Pavel and Cvetkovic were removed from power. The new government was headed by General Dusan Simovic - General aviation and the former chief of the General Staff, who was removed from office for anti-German stance. The 17-year-old prince Peter was proclaimed king.

It is still unknown who played a key role in these events. Whether the coup was spontaneous or not. It is possible that the British agents played their role, taking advantage of the discontent of the masses or secret circles and lodges (masons), which made Serbia a "powder keg" before the outbreak of the First World War. One thing is for sure - the new government has behaved very insecure and inconsistent. Belgrade tried to show "flexibility". They tried to calm the Germans. It was reported that the Vienna Protocol was in force, but it was never ratified. They offered to conclude a non-aggression pact. At the same time, we intensified contacts with Greece and Britain. They began to seek friendship and protection from the Russians. They offered Moscow to conclude a treaty of friendship and alliance. On April 5, the corresponding agreement was signed. Obviously, such a game was in the interests of London. Another reason was created to play off the Germans and the Russians, as in 1914.

However, Hitler did not believe the statements of loyalty of the Serbs. The enraged Fuhrer called the coup a "betrayal" and decided that the new government of Yugoslavia would not be obedient anyway. Not now, so later he will switch to the side of the enemies. And soon the war with the Russians. Therefore, it is better to solve the problem immediately. On March 27, the Wehrmacht was tasked with complementing the operation against Greece with the operation "Punishment" against Yugoslavia.

The operation was scheduled for April 6, 1941. In southern Austria and Hungary, von Weichs's 2nd Army (4 corps, including the 46th motorized corps) was concentrated for an attack on Yugoslavia. The 12th Army of List and the 1st Panzer Group of Kleist (3 corps, including the 40th motorized) were deployed on the territory of Bulgaria and Romania. Italy allocated for the war with Yugoslavia the 2nd Army of General Ambrosio (5 corps, including motorized and cavalry). The Italians dealt their main blow along the Dalmatian coast. Hungary fielded up to 5 divisions.

Belgrade residents protesting after Yugoslavia's accession to the Axis

Belgrade residents welcome the military coup on March 27, 1941.

Renault R35 tank on the streets of Belgrade on the day of the military coup on March 27, 1941. The inscription on the tank: "For the King and the Fatherland"

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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. April 6 2021 04: 54
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    The delegation of the Bulgarian city solemnly greets the German officer.

    The other side of the coin is from our brothers.
    The gadyushnik in Europe was formed decent by 1941.
    1. apro
      apro April 6 2021 05: 16
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      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The gadyushnik in Europe was formed decent by 1941.

      So he was always there. And before and after. To accuse the Bulgarians of some kind of betrayal. I think it strange. They have their own path and their interests, which they did not hide.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. April 6 2021 05: 23
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        And who is talking about betrayal?
        The brothers took the side of the strong ... their interest in keeping their skin unopposed.
        The Yugoslavs, for example, did not bow their heads to Hitler, unlike the Bulgarians.
        1. apro
          apro April 6 2021 05: 26
          +5
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          The brothers took the side of the strong ...

          Not only. Having gained independence as a result of the liberation from the Turks, they accepted the German ruling dynasty. And were economically more tied to the Germans. And then and today. So there were no options with whom.
          1. pytar
            pytar April 6 2021 13: 07
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            adopted the German ruling dynasty.

            Dear Oleg, hi This is one of many examples of how Russian politics stupidly lost through their own fault! After all, it was Alexander III, the disliked Russian appointee of Prince of Bulgaria Alexander Batenberg, who forced him to abdicate! When after this the Bulgarian asked the Emperor, since he was against Batenberg, to give them the Prince of Count Ignatiev, whose man the whole of Bulgaria idolized, what did Alexander III do? He offered a drunkard who lost to the excitement of his principality, the Georgian Mingrelli! Except as a mockery, nothing else can define this sentence! Mingrelli spent more time drunk than adequate!
        2. pytar
          pytar April 6 2021 10: 09
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          The brothers took the side of the strong ... their interest in keeping their skin unopposed.

          Boris became / at the age of 24 / tsar, immediately after the defeat in WWI, which we call a national catastrophe, and he was shocked by the scale of losses and destruction! In this war, every 3 Bulgarian man either died or became a cripple. Tens of thousands of civilians starved to death.
          Boris III vowed that he would never again allow Bulgaria to participate in a new war! He resisted until the very last moment when Germany pressed to join the Axis! But he had no choice - at the beginning of 41, all of Europe was under Germany! The USSR had a pact not to attack, and supplied resus to the Germans! Only Britain resisted with a gasp! By the way, Bulgaria, for the difference from Russia, has never in history been an ally with the British!
          Bulgaria will resist the invincible before the Wehrmacht at 41 was impossible! 600 thousand. The German group is hanging over the Danube! From the south, half a million Turkish army was waiting on the border with Thrace! The Bulgarian army, which recently came out with the limitations of the Nyeia Treaty, had a strength of about 100 thousand, was poorly trained, with archaic weapons, there were shells in the warehouses for as many exercises. And to fight for the interests of the Serbs, Greeks and British, the Bulgarian clearly would not.

          The Yugoslavs, for example, did not bow their heads to Hitler, unlike the Bulgarians.

          Yugoslavs ??? What Yugoslavs, the Kingdom of Yugoslavia collapsed like a cardboard kula, in 11 days! The Germans lost only a hundred and a half soldiers, defeating a 16 million state with an army of almost a million!

          You know, a little obsessiveness will not hurt you! hi
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 April 6 2021 11: 19
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            "collapsed like a cardboard kula" (c) very emotional and expressive! Even somewhere amused.
            Not everything is just black or white, as they say there are many shades and gray
            1. pytar
              pytar April 6 2021 11: 51
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              "collapsed like a cardboard kula" (c) very emotional and expressive! Even somewhere amused. Not everything is just black or white, as they say there are many shades and gray

              The fact that Yugoslavia collapsed so easily indicates its patchiness and not vitality!
              Particularly striking is the case when 4 German motorcyclists, who broke away by mistake in front of the German army, accepted the surrender of the entire Belgrade!
              Further events, the period of occupation, when the former "Yugoslavs" cut each other with unprecedented frenzy, showed that there was no such nation. There were nations gathered in a sack and hating each other. More than 90% of the victims on the territory of Yugoslavia were the result of intra-ethnic conflicts. It was repeated in the 90s ... It did not work to glue such different peoples into "Yugoslavian". hi
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 April 6 2021 12: 59
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                RI and the USSR are also confirmation of this. Next in line is the EU, the USA (the USA may be questionable) "how much of a wolf you don't feed, but your shirt is closer"
                1. pytar
                  pytar April 6 2021 13: 33
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                  And I think so... yes
              2. gsev
                gsev April 7 2021 17: 42
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                Quote: pytar
                that Yugoslavia collapsed so easily indicates its patchiness and not vitality!

                The German troops required no more military and temporary efforts to conquer Yugoslavia than, for example, to conquer Poland, France or the Benelux or Northern Europe. In Yugoslavia, since June 1941, a fairly effective partisan war was going on, which took away from the Germans the forces that they could use against the USSR no less than those that the Germans used to fight Great Britain in 1941-42. In addition, the Japanese fought no less effectively against the United States, Great Britain and Holland than the Germans against Yugoslavia. If the Germans started the war against the USSR on May 15, without being distracted by Yugoslavia, they would have had a longer daylight hours and better weather conditions for the operation of their aviation against the Air Force of the Red Army. The brutality of the war was caused in Yugoslavia primarily by the resistance of the Serbs. In this war, the Germans had to take advantage of the base passions of their allies to the detriment of pursuing an economic policy that would allow them to siphon maximum resources from the country.
                1. pytar
                  pytar April 7 2021 20: 36
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                  The German troops required no more military and temporary efforts to conquer Yugoslavia than, for example, to conquer Poland, France or the Benelux or Northern Europe.

                  The relief of Yugoslavia is one of the hardest in Europe. The Balkans, right! The road network was underdeveloped, there are many rivers with turbulent flow. Such a relief impedes the German tactics of tank wedges and in general for armored vehicles it is very difficult there! The Wehrmach spent more time moving along narrow passes than in battles. For so few losses, they are really insignificant.
                  In Yugoslavia, since June 1941, a fairly effective partisan war was going on, which took away the forces from the Germans ...

                  Everyone cut everything. Some partisans against others, more than 90% of the losses of the Yugoslav peoples were the result of the internal Yugoslav massacres. In UNOA, there were not only Serbs. There, as far as I remember, of the 5th division, 1 was Croatian, and another was mixed. According to the ideology, UNOA was international, communist. Tito himself is a Croat. By the way, again this is a complex mountain relief, contributed to the emergence and existence of a huge number of all sorts of different paramilitary formations.
                  Of course, it was a world war, and the forces of the opposing countries were directed in one direction to another, that in several directions. The USA, for example, fought on several theaters of the bd, the scales are impressive!
                  If the Germans started the war against the USSR on May 15, without being distracted by Yugoslavia, they would have had a longer daylight hours and better weather conditions for the operation of their aviation against the Air Force of the Red Army.

                  Here the question is who should be thanked - the British, for organizing a coup in Belgrade, Duce, for his Greek adventure or Hitler, which he appreciated his strength.
                  The brutality of the war was caused in Yugoslavia primarily by the resistance of the Serbs.

                  If you were a Croat, Bosnian, Slovenian or other non-Serb in Yugoslavia, you would think quite differently. The problem is that although Yugoslavia in words was the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, Slovenes / then from the Bulgarians there, the "Macedonians" had not yet been created /, that is, the KSKhS, the Serbs ruled there, they considered themselves superior to others. The rest were somehow second-rate. They had accumulated hatred, the disintegration of KYU, for them it was liberation from Serbian domination! So they cut each other, Ksati Serbs also cut others and their own! There was a post recently in VO!
      2. pytar
        pytar April 6 2021 09: 15
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        So he was always there. And before and after. To accuse the Bulgarians of some kind of betrayal. I think it strange. They have their own path and their interests, which they did not hide.

        Extremely balanced, obyktivny fast! Respect to you, Oleg! hi
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 6 2021 05: 22
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      "Anyone who does not imagine how the Greeks hate Bulgarians does not know what hatred is." - "Cannons of Navarone Island"
      1. pytar
        pytar April 6 2021 09: 26
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        "Anyone who does not imagine how the Greeks hate Bulgarians, does not know what hatred is" - "The Cannons of the Island of Navarone"

        From the 7th century, the confrontation between both nations began! 13 centuries lasted, even during Turkish slavery! Then the Greeks tried to assimilate the Bulgarians within the Ottoman Empire, and often it was the Greeks who did the Bulgarians more dirty tricks than the Turks. Hatred is not an empty place.
        But something special has happened in the last 20 years! Greece and Bulgaria are EU members, the border between them is only on the maps. Citizens of both countries move freely, do joint business, acquire real estate, create mixed families, relations have changed dramatically! Cultural exchange, tourism in full swing!
        People saw that in the neighboring country, there are people like them, moreover, very similar to them! Greeks and Bulgarians realized that they have common, interesting, common goals! Where you live and whose citizen you are no longer so important! Everything in the EU, the rules, the laws are the same!
        Nowadays it is impossible to imagine a war between Bulgaria and Greece! There is nothing to fight for, nothing to conflict for! hi
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      1. pytar
        pytar April 6 2021 09: 31
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        What the hell are they brothers.

        Sergeev, like you, we are definitely not brothers! Definitely!

        What did Bulgaria do as soon as we created them? Rushed to conquer the territory of Serbia.

        The territories inhabited by Bulgarians for centuries, recognized by Russia as Bulgarian! Interestingly, when Russia tries to liberate the lands on which Russians live, it's good, but when others do it, it's bad!
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          1. pytar
            pytar April 6 2021 14: 20
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            I'm not your brother.

            Great! good Otherwise I was worried ...
            Can you recall how many times Bulgaria fought in alliances against Russia? Answer: always.

            I will not ask a similar question, but still I will not ask how many times Russia was in alliance with the eternal enemies of the Slavs - the British, and in general from how many countries Russia was in an alliance, then in enemies, depending on how its interests turned upside down!
            And your "answer" 1. are in fact incorrect! 2. Changes the cause with the effect!
            When my two grandfathers died in 1942, yours served Hitler,

            My grandfather in 45 took Drava-Sobolch. He was a communist. Received a Soviet medal along with several tens of thousands of Bulgarians. 300 thousand. the Bulgarian army fought along with the Red Army against the Wehrmacht. You don’t know your story, but you don’t know about strangers at all.
            Yours served Hitler, helped him to crush Yugoslavia, freeing German units for the murder of my grandfathers.

            Which Yugoslavia? Who tortured hundreds of thousands of my sonar monitors in Macedonia? I myself come from Bitol! Our house is still there!
            If you could conclude a treaty with Hitler and liberate Western Ukraine and Belarus in 38, why couldn't we do the same by liberating Macedonia?
            During WWII, the Bulgarian army occupied areas with a predominantly Bulgarian population. There were very few partisans, and not local ones. At the same time, the Wehrmacht was forced to keep up to 3 divisions on the territory of Bulgaria itself!

            Keep up the good work guys, slaves to the free are not brothers.

            The ignorant cannot be free! Do not expose your ignorance to the public at least! negative
            1. gsev
              gsev April 7 2021 17: 46
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              Quote: pytar
              how many times has Russia been in alliance with the eternal enemies of the Slavs - the British,

              Great Britain was an ally of Russia in all wars, where the matter concerned the independence of Russia. In quiet times, Russia, as a great world power, of course competed with Great Britain.
              1. pytar
                pytar April 7 2021 20: 42
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                Great Britain was an ally of Russia in all wars, where the matter concerned the independence of Russia. In quiet times, Russia, as a great world power, of course competed with Great Britain.

                And I mean ... As the interests were driven, so did Russia. bully Consequently, others can also conduct their affairs in accordance with their interests. yes
      2. Forcecom
        Forcecom April 6 2021 12: 05
        +4
        Victor, before accusing the Bulgarians of treason, it is worth remembering that holding their own policies on a global scale - a very expensive pleasure that in a number of historical periods was "beyond the means" even of Russia, what can we say about Bulgaria, which in modern times was in someone's "sphere of influence" first was Germany, then after 1945 Since 1991, the USSR has become a strong center, since XNUMX the USSR ended and its "place of power" was taken by the EU and, indirectly, the USA. Another rebalance of forces will happen and the shadow of the Russian Federation or, for example, Turkey / China will fall on the Balkans, and Bulgaria will change its rhetoric and policy in favor of a new "big brother". Nothing personal, just dangerous political business.
        Here is another point - we should not deceive ourselves, both at the "kitchen" and at the general state level - we do not have "Brothers" and other "bloody homies", we even have only four allies - the Armed Forces, the Navy, the Aerospace Forces Imperial Security - which at different times was called differently but did not change the meaning), all the rest are temporary fellow travelers or just neighbors in a large communal apartment called planet Earth. We will be strong - they will curl at our feet and loyally (and absolutely sincerely) look into our eyes, we will be weak - they will "bark" at us from under the cloak of another "owner" - what kind of offense is that? themselves are to blame in the end. They also want to live, it is desirable to live well, so that it does not drip from above and fleas do not bite.
        Now there is one more unpleasant moment for modern US. No matter how cynical it may sound, but without belittling the merits of our great-grandfathers who fought on Shipka, and indeed shed their blood for the salvation of the Slav brothers, it should be clearly understood - the entire 19th century, the Russian Empire as a State in the Balkans was engaged in the implementation of its foreign policy interests... And the rejection of the Balkans from the Ottoman Empire with the creation of "independent" states there was primarily interesting from the point of view of the weakening of the Turks, and the fact that at the same time someone somewhere out there was saved by the Lord and Russian Weapons.
        Therefore, it will be enough to present the events of a century and a half to modern Bulgarians and demand something from them. We are not our great-great-grandfathers, we did not shed this blood - and we have no right to demand fidelity on this blood. Let us be strong - they themselves will come to us, let us be weak - they themselves deserve it.
        True, I still have one rhetorical question for Bulgarians. You really understand that in the event of another batch, Russia will not save you, and no cries about "Slavic brotherhood", "historical ties between the two peoples" will be of interest to us.
        Although no, the question should not sound like that, but - "Do you understand that Russia will fall to you only if it is profitable for her to fuck you?"
        1. pytar
          pytar April 6 2021 12: 56
          +6
          We are not our great-great-grandfathers, we did not shed this blood - and we have no right to demand fidelity on this blood.

          Denis, I'll tell you more! Hundreds of thousands of Russians, every year, with the exception of the pandemic period, hang out on our Black Sea beaches! But few of them will come off for a couple of hours to bring a flower in memory of their heroic ancestors on Shipki! This does not prevent them from submitting any claims on the forums!
          I am not writing to insult you, believe me! hi

          True, I still have one rhetorical question for Bulgarians. You really understand that in the event of another batch, Russia will not save you, and no cries about "Slavic brotherhood", "historical ties between the two peoples" will be of interest to us. Although no, the question should not sound like that, but - "Do you understand that Russia will fall to you only if it is profitable for her to fuck you?"

          You yourself answered your own question:
          No matter how cynical it may sound, but without belittling the merits of our great-grandfathers who fought on Shipka, and indeed shed their blood for the salvation of the Slav brothers, it should be clearly understood that the entire 19th century, the Russian Empire, as a State in the Balkans, was engaged in the implementation of OWN foreign policy interests.

          It is clear that it was, is and will be! I do not understand reproaches to the Bulgarians or to other peoples, because Russia has ALWAYS been guided by its own interests and in no other way! Whatever these peoples do, the interests of Russia / it is so for all states / will be guiding! If Russia is entitled to its own interests, is it really so difficult to understand that others also have their own interests? request
          1. Forcecom
            Forcecom April 6 2021 13: 58
            +3
            Unfortunately, not everyone is capable of accepting this, but there is one BUT, as the history of the last centuries has shown, cries about "fraternal peoples and the Slavic world" were heard not only from us, but also from your side. I really hope that if, God forbid, you have a situation when you have to remember about the Slavic brotherhood, you will not be offended at us if we react with bewilderment to the cries of "Russia help!", We will not rush into a fight for you, but we will act only according to our interests.
            1. pytar
              pytar April 6 2021 14: 37
              +3
              Unfortunately, not everyone is capable of accepting this, but there is one BUT, as the history of the last centuries has shown, cries of "fraternal peoples and the Slavic world" were heard not only from us, but also from your side.

              Denis, I see you are an intelligent person and you probably understand that friendship, brotherhood is possible between people and nations! This feeling is! It's good when it is mutual!
              But how do you write further:
              we will not rush into a fight for you, but we will only act according to our interests.

              Politics is always guided, without exclusion from INTERESTS! There is no sentiment there!
              If interested, politicians, rulers adopt a suitable ideology, for example "about" fraternal peoples and the Slavic world ""! After all, you need to justify your actions, motivate the soldiers! In short, Russian rulers also remembered Slavism, Orthodoxy, etc. only when it responded to their interests! Depending on their interests, the same peoples were found either brothers or enemies!
              You cannot idealize politicians, they are the same everywhere! hi I am an adherent of public diplomacy, when ordinary people communicate directly, without propaganda and politicians! drinks
              1. Forcecom
                Forcecom April 6 2021 14: 54
                +3
                Unfortunately, for the last 6 years, I began to doubt that friendship is possible even among people, it is enough to separate them by a border, I did not even have a friend, a named brother, but it so happened that after 1991 he stayed to live in Ukraine, 6 years ago he began to hate me just for being Russian. God grant that you do not know this.
                1. pytar
                  pytar April 6 2021 16: 59
                  +4
                  Unfortunately, for the last 6 years, I began to doubt that friendship is possible even among people, it is enough to separate them by a border, I did not even have a friend, a named brother, but it so happened that after 1991 he stayed to live in Ukraine, 6 years ago he began to hate me just for being Russian. God grant that you do not know this.

                  Completely, I understand what you are talking about! This is what happened with the "Macedonians"! One nation was divided from the border, and made of that part of the non-Bulgarians! It happened in 1946 !!! For half a century, the Titus have killed tens of thousands of Bulgarians who do not want to give up their origin! The rest were so confused that they sincerely believe - they are the bloodiest descendants of the ancient Macedonians !!! My relatives in Macedonia now consider us Tatars, Asians and hate us! So it is written in their textbooks! When I met my cousin, a true Macedonian, asked him:
                  -So you and I are relatives? Yes?
                  - / he / Yes, because our grandfathers are brothers!
                  -What are you, Bulgarian or Macedonian?
                  - / he / Of course the Macedon, the Bulgarian is our primordial enemies!
                  -How so, because our grandfathers were Bulgarians? / He does not dispute this /
                  -Well .... / silence /, they did not know that they were not Bulgarians!
                  Here in such "logic", in Macedonia, on the basis of wild falsification of history, in titular Yugoslavia, 2 generations of non-brothers brought up! belay

                  For all the tragedy of this situation / that is Ukrainian, that is Macedonian /, I believe that it is time to cure delusions! We say - krvta water does not become! It just takes time, patience and tact, relatives are seriously ill ...
    4. pytar
      pytar April 6 2021 09: 12
      +8
      The other side of the coin is from our brothers.

      You are looking from the other side, not seeing the whole situation as a whole.


      The delegation of the Bulgarian city solemnly greets the German officer. The photo was taken during the entry of German troops into Bulgaria for the subsequent attack from its territory on Yugoslavia and Greece. March 1941

      Here the author was cunning! Photo taken in the city of Skopje, Macedonia, after the invasion of German troops in Yugoslavia! All Macedonia, whose Bulgarian population fell into the Serbian and Greek occupation as a result of the 2-Balkan and 1-MB. Therefore, the local population greeted the Germans as liberators. This happened all over Macedonia, the local Bulgarians were even happier, they met the Bulgarian army! For the locals, Serbs and Greeks were occupants, who repaired a lot of dirty tricks on their land!

      The gadyushnik in Europe was formed decent by 1941.

      All great forces have made efforts in the education of the goyushnik! It was formed in the Balkans since 1913, when Serbia violated the treaty allied with Bulgaria and, together with Greece, occupied Macedonia, and Romania, not without the help of Russia, occupied the Bulgarian Dobrudja.
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      2. Savva Lefterov
        Savva Lefterov April 7 2021 21: 16
        0
        Greek occupation? And why should Macedonia belong to you, Bulgarians, in general?
        Listen to you, so Thrace, Macedonia, even Constantinople must belong to you.
        1. pytar
          pytar April 7 2021 23: 00
          0
          Greek occupation? And why should Macedonia belong to you, Bulgarians, in general?

          There are only two principles by which you can resolve issues of this nature!
          Right by force / when the boundaries are drawn by those who are stronger / и strength is true / when the people living in a given territory hold a referendum, that is, they self-determine /!
          The question of belonging to Macedonia was decided only once using strength is true! Oddly enough, it happened in the Ottoman Empire, on February 27, 1970! Then Sultan Abdul Azis finally decided to give the right to the Bulgarians to create their own Orthodox Exarchia. Other Christian peoples of the empire already had their own. To determine the territorial girth of the new Exarchy, the Sultan held a plebiscite among the Christian population on the territory of the Balkan possessions of the empire.
          Where Bulgarians were more than 50% and they expressed a desire to join the Bolg. The exarchia was transferred to this region in its jurisdiction. On the basis of the results of the plebiscide, a Ferman was issued, officially defining the borders and areas where the majority of the population declared themselves to be Orthodox Bulgarians! Included not only all of Macedonia, but also Mizia, as well as most of Thrace.
          On the basis of this plebiscide in 1878, the San Stefano Peace Treaty was concluded between the Republic of Ingushetia and the OI. The borders of new Bulgaria / to it and the map are / coincided with the borders of Bolg. Exarchia, with a few exceptions. Russia nevertheless transferred several areas inhabited with the Bulgarians to its allies, Serbia and Romania, and the east. The Rhodopes, inhabited with the Bulgarians, the Mohamedans / Pomaks / remained in the OI.
          But further, the borders were already redrawn along the right of the Strong... As a result, a lot of tragedies, wars, victims happened, the ethnic composition changed, everyone lost and something originally their own!

          This is an example of how breaking the principle strength is true, nobody wins!
          If the state borders between the Balkan states were drawn according to their ethnicity, the likelihood of conflicts would be incomparably less.
          By the way, the Bulgarian spirit is alive in Macedonia, even if at first glance it looks like it is 100% dominated by Macedonists! This is an illusory impression ... time passes, lies and deceit are not eternal ...
          1. Savva Lefterov
            Savva Lefterov April 8 2021 07: 52
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            You argue so beautifully ....... to draw boundaries on ethnic composition is also stupid. The movement of peoples is constantly happening. How many Turks are there in Bulgaria? How many Turks are there in Greece? What is their fertility rate? If I'm not mistaken, the population of Bulgaria is falling rapidly, what will you say when there are more Turks in some regions of Bulgaria than Bulgarians? Will you also talk about the truth?
            Or did Attaturk, when slaughtering Armenians and Greeks, reasoned that in the future they would look and see that only Turks live in Turkey, and no one has rights on the territory of Turkey?
            Borders (in my opinion) should be drawn by looking at historical maps and at who first lived on these lands. The Greeks used to live in Thrace and Macedonia before the Bulgarians. This is also not the fairest way, but so no one will be tied to the movement of the masses. There in Germany, in some city, there are already more Muslims than Germans, there is a ratio of 51 to 49. What now? By the force of truth, this land should be deleted from Germany?
            And when I speak about Macedonia, I am talking about the lands that are in the north of Greece. This misunderstanding, which is called North Macedonia for me, as for all Greeks, is not Macedonia.
            1. pytar
              pytar April 8 2021 09: 22
              0
              You reason so beautifully ...

              I proceed from the conviction that there is a Supreme Justice! Everything else is from the evil one ...
              drawing boundaries by ethnicity is also stupid. The movement of peoples is constantly happening.

              I suppose you will be "very pleased" if your parents end up in a foreign state, and your children will be in a third state, simply because they live in neighboring houses? Someone "forgot" to ask all of you and drew the border between you like that! I wonder why, then, each country in the first place seeks to outflank its people in its ethnic borders!
              How many Turks are there in Bulgaria? How many Turks are there in Greece? What is their fertility rate? If I'm not mistaken, the population of Bulgaria is falling rapidly, what will you say when there are more Turks in some regions of Bulgaria than Bulgarians? Will you also talk about the truth?

              The whole "white race" is hidden! It is a fact! The Mohamedan population is growing. Here the question is in the survival of nations, will they restore their populations or disappear to the map of the world, like many others ?!
              Borders (in my opinion) should be drawn by looking at historical maps and at who first lived on these lands. The Greeks used to live in Thrace and Macedonia before the Bulgarians.

              Interesting look! The question arises, which of the maps, from what period and who first lived in one or the other territory? If we look at the maps, then the map of San Stefano Bulgaria is made on the basis of the self-determination of the local population! To it we can also add a map and a union treaty / Bulgaria, Serbia-1912 /, about the fate of Macedonia, on which Russia was the guarantor of the treaty! There is definitely 80% Bulgarian Macedonia!
              By the way, you are wrong! Who lived before in Thrace and Macedonia! And how much earlier? Thracians lived in Thrace, and Macedonians lived in Macedonia. Greeks / Elins / lived like now in Greece / Elada /. They created colonies along the coast, yes, but when the Slavs came, most of the Balkan Peninsula became Slavic and it still is!
              And when I speak about Macedonia, I am talking about the lands that are in the north of Greece. This misunderstanding, which is called North Macedonia for me, as for all Greeks, is not Macedonia.

              Perceive North Macedonia as you wish. It is, and reality does not agree with your desires, by the way, with ours in its current Titovist version.
              I think it will be interesting for you to read the opinion of one of your sonar books on the topic!
              https://hurtmann.livejournal.com/841715.html
              And since you are a Greek, I will write in the next post for you one of my own statements, without a claim to "first instance"! hi
              1. Savva Lefterov
                Savva Lefterov April 8 2021 09: 46
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                All my relatives turned out to be outside Greece, but what can I do, this is the fate.
                Highest justice? Why should she help you? Not the Greeks? Or maybe Albanians or Serbs? There is no need to complain about any justice, this is a very slippery slope.
                The last state of the Greeks was Byzantium, I am not saying that it is necessary to restore its borders completely, what Greece now has, in my opinion, is justly occupied Greek lands.
                You mention the Macedonians ... and who were they?) They were close in language to the Greeks, and in culture they were the same Greeks. Thracians? They are no longer there, they have been assimilated a long time ago.
                You, Bulgarians, should keep what you have, and not dream of someone else's. This also applies to the Greeks. And I don't need to write posts. At this point, I will stop communicating with you. Goodbye.
            2. pytar
              pytar April 8 2021 09: 47
              0
              Regarding our conversation:
              Balkan countries, when the Ottoman monopoly on the Balkans began to collapse, what did they do? Somehow they would have done away with / 1BV / to free the Balkans, but they looked at each other more, who would "bite off" more! Whose army occupied the territory, did not want to give it up, despite the fact what population lived there! Expanded the borders by the law of the Strong, and not by the force of the Truth! Accordingly, enemies immediately became among themselves! And what happened as a result? If you have occupied the land where most of my sonarists are and you are chasing them, you are already my enemy! I won't help you when you are under threat, or when you try to free your other sonarians, right? You are a new occupier for me, not better than the former ones / Turks /!
              As a result, Greece, Serbia, instead of a strong ally, got an enemy in the face of Bulgaria! Bulgaria suffered defeats in WW2, WW1 and WW2, the Greeks, Serbs acquired more land with the Bulgarian population, but lost land with the Greek, Serbian population!
              Greece acquired the White Sea / Aegean / Thrace, South Macedonia, but lost the Aegean Asia Minor / Smyrna /, Constantinople, North Cyprus, too! Was it worth losing their own to gain someone else's? After all, if Greece had not occupied South Macedonia with its Bulgarian population and would have left Bulgaria a venture out to the Aegean Sea, Bulgaria would have been her companion and further, would have helped the Greeks! The situation in WWI and WWII would have been different!
              Serbia, instead of occupying Bulgarian Macedonia, would be better off focusing on territories with closely related Western Slavs! With a strong allied rear in the face of Bulgaria, the events in WWI, WWII, and the 90s would have developed differently! What did Serbia get as a result of its aggressive ambitions? Nothing at all! Macedonia is gone, territories with the Serb population in Bosnia and Croatia are lost! Even the "primordial" Kosovo is lost to the Serbs!
              Do you see what happens when the borders are drawn according to the right of the Strong? Power is in Truth, Savva ... it is eternal! I don't know if there will ever be Northern Macedonia Bulgarian, but if there is Power in Truth, there will be!
  2. apro
    apro April 6 2021 05: 14
    -1
    Duce, dreaming of creating a new Roman Empire,

    Dreaming is not harmful. For this you do not need anything, except fantasies. Who really strove for the rebuilding of Great Rome. So it is Hitler, in his understanding, of course, and to call the Italians the successor of Great Rome. To exaggerate the Germans.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. April 6 2021 05: 25
      -2
      Italians are weak as fighters, unlike the Germans. In vain Mussolini decided to fight the whole world with such fighters.
      1. apro
        apro April 6 2021 05: 28
        -4
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        In vain Mussolini decided to fight the whole world with such fighters

        So for this he was put at the head of Italy, so that he would climb where Ninado. And then envy.
        1. Free wind
          Free wind April 6 2021 06: 32
          +1
          Who delivered that? Or again, the Englishwoman and the Freemasons are to blame? So Mussolini became the head of Italy in 22. And in 24, a Freemason tried to shoot him, but he missed and the Freemasons were banned.
          1. apro
            apro April 6 2021 07: 05
            -4
            Quote: Free Wind
            Who delivered that?

            Anyone who has money. Fascism is able to utilize the protest sentiments of the socialistic sense, by replacing the direction in the direction of solidarity, without touching upon the issue of property.
            Quote: Free Wind
            Or again an Englishwoman

            Judging by the goodwill of the British towards the fascists, the plan was not in vain, the fascists in Spain and Albania, Ethiopite frolicked, and they did not get anything for it.
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 6 2021 06: 03
    +12
    It was impossible to resist powerful Germany.

    In addition, while part of the Yugoslavs (Serbs) and Greeks fought heroically, the other (Croats, Slovenes, pro-German-minded Greeks)) surrendered without a fight.

    In any case, thanks to these countries, first of all, the Greeks, for postponing the attack on us by 2.5 months, for delaying some of their forces and means.

    Hitler even called this delay the reason for future failures in the USSR, although he was wrong here ...
    1. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS April 6 2021 08: 44
      +9
      The reason for the failure of the Nazis in the USSR is the Soviet people.
    2. VS
      VS April 10 2021 19: 36
      -2
      Quote: Olgovich
      Thanks to these countries, first of all, the Greeks, for postponing the attack on us by 2.5 months and pulling off some of their forces and means.

      and postponed and did not postpone)))
  4. Free wind
    Free wind April 6 2021 06: 27
    +1
    On the top photo, I don't understand what a German is doing with a rifle, getting ready to shoot or crying, the grip is strange. Three bridge cars in the photo, most likely Tatra T93 .. The Czechs were making infections three times a day. But in protest they worked in brown shirts, the protestors are damn it.
  5. Richard
    Richard April 6 2021 08: 36
    +1
    In southern Austria and Hungary, von Weichs's 2nd Army (4 corps, including the 46th motorized corps) was concentrated for an attack on Yugoslavia. The 12th Army of List and the 1st Panzer Group of Kleist (3 corps, including the 40th motorized) were deployed on the territory of Bulgaria and Romania. Italy allocated for the war with Yugoslavia the 2nd Army of General Ambrosio (5 corps, including motorized and cavalry). The Italians dealt their main blow along the Dalmatian coast. Hungary fielded up to 5 divisions.
  6. Richard
    Richard April 6 2021 08: 46
    +1
    "Better death than slavery"
    Yugoslavian poster on March 27, 1941, after a coup d'état that overthrew the government supporting the annexation of Yugoslavia to the Axis. -
  7. pytar
    pytar April 6 2021 11: 44
    +4
    Hungary itself was eager to fight. The Hungarians liked the fact that in alliance with the Germans they had already received a part of Slovakia, Subcarpathia and Northern Transylvania.

    I'm not just justifying Hungary's further actions, but I would like to ask the author, is he aware of what ethnic population was the majority in these regions? Who laid the foundations of the conflict, cutting off the borders of peoples after PVM?
  8. Bulair
    Bulair April 6 2021 12: 00
    +7
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5ccebcb0e22eaf00b327597c/kak-vsego-7-nemcev-zahvatili-belgrad-v-1941-5cdad231f9616800b423f74e
    ... this is how the "valiant" Serbian army defended Belgrade.
  9. faterdom
    faterdom April 6 2021 22: 35
    0
    He was especially attracted by Greece.

    In general, the article is not bad, but this is a phrase, like from a movie about Mishka-Yaponchik.
  10. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov April 7 2021 10: 11
    +2
    Yugoslavs ??? What Yugoslavs, the Kingdom of Yugoslavia collapsed like a cardboard kula, in 11 days! The Germans lost only a hundred and a half soldiers, defeating a 16 million state with an army of almost a million!
    You know, a little obsessiveness will not hurt you!

    Do you know about Tito and his army?
    A little objectivity and it won't hurt you.
    1. pytar
      pytar April 7 2021 21: 12
      0
      Do you know about Tito and his army?

      More than you think ... bully
      A little objectivity and it won't hurt you.

      Since we are talking about routine, numbers will help better!
      The population of the Kingdom is approx. 14 million / for other items 16 million by the year 41.
      Ru-wiki, gives for UNOA the number of 80 thousand. starting from June 41 up to 800 thousand. by March 1, 45
      In the same Kingdom of Yugoslavia, by April 6, 41, the army was about 1-1,2 million and it did not put up any serious resistance to the Wehrmacht. Why? Because by that time, the Yugoslav nation did not exist! Its emergence began on the basis of communist ideology already during the occupation period! Internationalization has taken place! After 46, the process of the formation of the Yugoslav nation accelerated, and many citizens of the SFRY defined themselves as "Yugoslavs" by nationality! "Yugoslavization" did not end due to the disintegration of the SFRY in the 90s. Moreover, for all the time of its existence, ethno-nationalism has been escalating in parallel within the country.
      I hope you understand why when the Kingdom of Yugoslavia fell in 41, the "Yugoslavs" did not exist! You will not find such in censuses and registers from that time. hi
  11. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov April 7 2021 10: 14
    +1
    Bulgaria will resist the invincible before the Wehrmacht at 41 was impossible! 600 thousand. The German group is hanging over the Danube! From the south, half a million Turkish army was waiting on the border with Thrace!

    1. In other words, Vyi claim that the tsar and the people did not want the Germans and the Wehrmacht occupied Bulgaria? Then all the Bulgarians who fought against the invaders were real patriots and the Red Army liberated Bulgaria from the German occupation. I congratulate you and I think so.
    2. No Turkish army was waiting at our border. Turkey remained neutral until 1944 and Boris could have done the same, but he dearly loved the Fuhrer and wanted to serve him with all his heart.
    1. pytar
      pytar April 7 2021 21: 51
      0
      1. In other words, Vyi assert that the tsar and the people did not want the Germans ...

      This is not my assertion; documents, evidence and historical facts lead to such a conclusion. Boris was not a fool, he perfectly understood the situation! In my opinion, he did the only thing possible! What was the situation like?
      1. Germany, invincible before, totally dominated Europe! The Bulgarian generals were pro-German!
      2. The people were for our kindred Orthodox, Slavic Russia! The sable action has categorically demonstrated this fact! In truth, ordinary Bulgarians did not yet imagine what the USSR and Bolshevism represented, but this is another topic ...
      3. Lobby of Queen Joana was pro-Italian, she is Italian!
      And as Boris bitterly stated - "pro-Russian people, pro-German generals, pro-Italian queen, I am the only pro-Bulgarian"!
      and the Wehrmacht occupied Bulgaria?

      The German army would not recognize any "neutrality", one way or another it would pass through Bulgaria! The "invitation" to Hitler to see Boris was essentially an ultimatum! And what did Boris do? If I refused, the country would be occupied and destroyed in a few days! By signing the agreement on joining the Axis, Boris retained a certain part of his freedom of action! Moreover, those who have read the contracts know that part 5 empowers countries "to have a relationship with the USSR at your own discretion!" The Bulgarian army did not go to the East. front, the USSR and Bulgaria supported the norms. diplomatic relations until 05.091944/5/XNUMX! As we know, other non-Axis countries fought against the USSR, for example Finland! But Bulgaria and Japan, being members of the Axis, did not fight! Japan for its own reasons, Bulgaria for its own! Member XNUMX gave them a legal basis !!!!
      From the point of view of a statesman, which undoubtedly is Tsar Boris III, he did everything possible to save the country, to lead it through a world cataclysm with the least losses! Moreover, Bulgaria withdrew from WW2 with a territorial acquisition - South Dobrudzha!
      Then all the Bulgarians who fought against the invaders were real patriots and the Red Army liberated Bulgaria from the German occupation.

      Based on the above, it is possible to draw not so unambiguous conclusions!
      1.In essence Germany did not occupy Bulgaria, even though she was the owner here, limiting our freedom of action.
      2.In Bulgaria / and Macedonia / Bulgarian communists fought against the Bulgarians monarchistat! It was a civil war based on two mutually exclusive ideologies!
      3. Accordingly, from the point of view of the communist ideology, the ruling country for half a century, the communists were patriots! From the point of view of the anti-communists, they were traitors and bulgarian haters, as they betrayed our sonarists in Macedonia at the mercy of them!
      2. No Turkish army was waiting at our border. Turkey remained neutral until 1944.

      By March 41, Turkey was concentrating an army of half a million in Yugovost. Thrace. We can only guess what would happen if the Wehrmacht attacked Bulgaria from the north! It is unlikely that the Turks would have missed such an opportunity to bite off a piece of Bulgarian land! Hitler would hardly be against it, because in this way he had more chances to get Turkey as a member of the Axis! As a result of such a fatal development, I don’t know how many Bulgarians would have gone to German concentration camps, but there would not have been a single Bulgarians in the territory occupied by the Turks!
      Turkey itself observed the situation in the East. front and there is no doubt that with a favorable development for the Germans, would have entered on their side, attacking the USSR!
      remained neutral until 1944 and Boris could have done the same, but he dearly loved the Fuhrer and wanted to serve him with all his heart.

      As already mentioned, Hitler would not have recognized any neutrality, he had already occupied several neutral countries before! And there is not a single confirmation that Boris "loved Hitler dearly"!

      PP. I am writing in such detail and circumstance, for people who know how to think, unencumbered by ideology! Fanatics please pass by. My post is not for them.
  12. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA April 7 2021 10: 34
    0
    However, the Spanish caudillo was on his own mind. In words, he was extremely grateful and friendly. But in fact, he dodged in every possible way and wanted to avoid participation in the war. In principle, it could be understood: Spain suffered heavy losses in the turmoil, it took time to heal the wounds, and it was extremely dangerous to fight with England and in the future with the United States. It was more reasonable to benefit from both sides.

    It was just that in Spain in the early 40s everything was very bad. After the Civil War, the country's agriculture was on fire, and the country sat on the import of food from America. The Reich could not replace supplies physically - he did not have enough food even for himself and the existing allies. The same grain balance in 1941 was reduced only on condition that it included grain seized in the occupied territories of the USSR. And the cut in meat rations was reflected even in Halder.
    And the main question in negotiations with the Reich, the Caudillo was - will the Reich replace supplies from America or not. The answer was no. After that, Franco began to smoothly curtail negotiations, putting forward unrealizable demands in advance. For hunger riots, smoothly developing into a new Civilian - this is the last thing the caudillo wanted.
  13. Bulair
    Bulair April 7 2021 12: 17
    +1
    To understand why Bulgaria joined Germany, you need to know that thanks primarily to Hitler, Southern Dobrudja was returned to Bulgaria ... although the Romanians resisted oh how! ... By the way, by that time the Soviet Union was still a bosom friend of Germany, and therefore Bulgaria, isn't it ??? Moreover, Stalin did not disdain, together with his friend Adolf, to divide Poland and the Baltic States ... to seize Bessarabia ... This is also necessary to know, since all this diplomacy did not take place in a vacuum ... But now, 80 years later, oh how easy is it to debate and stick labels?!?!?!
  14. faterdom
    faterdom April 7 2021 22: 43
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    Quote: Bulair
    by that time, the Soviet Union was still a bosom friend of Germany, and therefore Bulgaria, wasn't it ???

    Don't broadcast nonsense here.
    The Soviet Union was definitely not any "bosom" friend of Germany, and indirectly in the same Spain, the military had already clashed in open battles, and the Finnish war was a war with the de facto German proxy.
    Both sides were preparing for a war against each other, and they did not particularly hide it.
    Hitler's idea of ​​"Drang to the hosten" did not suddenly jump up in June 41, but was inherited from the medieval times of the religious and military orders.
  15. VS
    VS April 10 2021 19: 35
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    Operation Marita was like a plan to help Mussolini in Greece in order to remove the British from there - it was signed BEFORE the signing of the plan of attack on the SSR - the Barbarossa variant)))