25 years of tragedy. Fight at Pervomaisky: betrayal or setup?

We have dates in Russia that the country does not mark. And he doesn't even remember. These are the dates of tragic mistakes of the military and / or political leadership. Such blunders are especially costly in the fight against terrorists.

We believe that such failures should be especially kept in mind. And disassemble them in detail. It’s not just to find out, but who was actually responsible for the death of our guys, as well as the fact that the terrorists were then “helped” to leave from above? It is also important to remember about such tragedies, first of all, so that this never happens again.

And further. For the sake of the blessed memory of the guys who heroically died in that battle ...

January 18, 2021 marks exactly 25 years of the tragedy near the village of Pervomayskoye. Maybe today, after a quarter of a century, it is already possible to speculate on the topic of who, at the top, was then profitable to “release” the leaders of the terrorists? Could it be that ardent liberals in power then helped Raduev to leave?

After rereading eyewitness accounts once again, we tried to reconstruct the course of events on the eve of that fateful battle.

Lies of Yeltsin

So, on January 18, 1996, the twenty-hour evening Vesti broadcast the words of Boris N. Yeltsin:

“I say to all journalists: the operation in Pervomaiskoye has been completed. With minimal losses of both the hostages and ours.

Banditsif only someone hid underground, destroyed all.

82 hostages were released, 18 were missing.

That is, they could hide somewhere, run somewhere. We must still consider them alive, we must look. Now the search groups have been specially created and remain there, and for two days they will be engaged only in this work ”.

Note. The village of Pervomayskoye is a settlement in the Khasavyurt district of Dagestan. It is located on the right bank of the Terek (Dzerzhinsky Canal), 40 km north-west of Khasavyurt, on the border with the Gudermes (land) and Shelkovsky (along the Terek) regions of Chechnya.

It seems to be the speech of the first person in the state, but there is not a word of truth in it. Why and why did he lie then? What did those in power hide from the people in those fateful days?

Why was there no single command center and coordination of the actions of the units in the hostage rescue operation? Why were elite counter-terrorism units ordered to dig trenches instead of capture? Why was a possible assault on the militants canceled many times? And why did the terrorists know about every step of our soldiers? And for some reason ours did not even have the same radio frequency?

Let's remember how it all happened.

A Chinese proverb says:

"They feed the troops for a thousand days, but use one minute."

But when such a moment comes, a lot can depend on the soldier. If not all.

“January 9 1996 of the year in 9.45 in accordance with the instructions of the Director of the FSB of Russia, General of the Army M. Barsukov “A” personnel were raised for alert for further instructions. ”

This fateful moment came for them exactly 25 years ago in January 1996. When our guys fought in the village of Pervomayskoye.

At the time, Russia was worn out by terrorist intimidation and atrocities. The people already dreamed of the end of the war and the defeat of the militants. But the elites were then so far from the people that they threw the guys into that battle with the thugs, completely leaving them without warm clothes and food.

Of course, the defeat was followed by exclamations:

"Who is to blame?"

"The intelligence of their terrorists?"

"Or the stupidity of our generals?"

"And, maybe, all the same, snickering politicians?"

Be that as it may, one should not think, of course, that only generals and colonels bear full responsibility for that unsuccessful operation.

Chubais knows

Undoubtedly, the politicians of that Russia also had a hand in the sad turn of events at that time.

How did they stigmatize and exterminate the army with their sweeping seven-mile redundancies, conveyor conversion and sheer begging of the officers?

If we are not to blame for those who deliberately destroyed the army and special services (possibly on the orders of the West), then who?

Yeltsin's Kremlin? And his liberal, almost thoroughly pro-Western team?

And let's, for the sake of interest, remember a couple of names from those who were then at the very top in that fatal January for our guys.

So, January 1996.

The first government of Viktor Chernomyrdin is in charge. His first deputy chairman until January 16, 1996 was Anatoly Chubais (from January 25, Vladimir Kadannikov will take over this post). Deputy Chairpersons - Alexander Shokhin (until January 5) and Sergey Shakhrai. Until January 10 - Minister without portfolio Nikolai Travkin. Until January 5, Foreign Minister Andrei Kozyrev, and since January 9 - Yevgeny Primakov. Defense Minister - Pavel Grachev. Minister of Emergency Situations - Sergei Shoigu. Interior Minister - Anatoly Kulikov.

Until January 15, the Presidential Administration is headed by Sergei Filatov, and from that date by Nikolai Egorov (who will be replaced by the unsinkable Anatoly Chubais in the same post by the summer of 1996).

The State Duma on January 17 was headed by Gennady Seleznev. Until that date, Ivan Rybkin was in this post throughout the first half of January.

In addition, let us also recall that 1996 was the year of the re-election of the president in Russia. In this connection, in Moscow in high offices there was a dominance of American consultants. As they say, they (Western curators) were swarming everywhere at the top of the power.

As you can see, January 1996 was a month of constant reshuffling in the highest echelons of power. And everyone (of both those who leave and those who come), probably, really wanted to steer enough then. Who exactly of the then high-seated officials in Moscow put their 5 kopecks into the tragedy in Pervomayskoye, today we can only guess.

Perhaps the West itself was also interested in escalating the conflict?

After all, in fact, who, if not the West, benefits from terrorism in itself today? Who, if not the Americans, is ready to train and nurture these very "puppets" -terrorists in order to keep entire peoples, countries and even continents in fear and numbness? After all, it is possible, in essence, now to speak openly about a kind of cloning of terrorism as a phenomenon and a phenomenon in separate "educational laboratories" of specific Western states. Is not it?

How else can they intimidate the rapidly impoverished civilian population? Viruses and terrorists - it's simple and fast. Well, that's by the way.

In other words, until we understand the main thing - who can / could benefit from it, we will not be able to find answers to all the above-mentioned questions either.

Thus, in order to understand what happened that day, not behind the scenes in Moscow, but in reality - there, in Pervomayskoye, let us turn to specific documents and evidence.

How was it?

Here is a quote from the Group A special reporting folder:

"According to primary information, a group of militants in the number of 300 people, armed with small weapons, firing on civilians, took about 350 people hostage in a hospital in Kizlyar, Republic of Dagestan. At the same time, the militants attacked the helipad of the town of Kizlyar, as a result of which 2 helicopters and a tanker were destroyed, and a residential building was also seized.

Each hour can be restored in chronological order.

Chkalovsky

“At 11:30, one hundred and twenty employees headed by Major General Gusev A.V., having with them weapons, special means and protective equipment, equipment necessary to carry out the tasks of freeing the hostages, left for the Chkalovsky airfield.”

Makhachkala

"12:00. The personnel arrived at the airport and at 13:00 on two Tu-154 planes flew to Makhachkala on a special flight. At 15:30 and 17:00 the planes landed at the Makhachkala airport.

At 20:00 the personnel arrived in a vehicle at the FSB department of Makhachkala, where the head of the Anti-Terrorist Center of the FSB of Russia, Colonel-General V.N. brought the operational situation at the current moment. "

Kizlyar

"At 01:20 on January 10, upon the arrival of two armored personnel carriers, the convoy began to move to Kizlyar, where it arrived at 5:30."

So, the Alpha fighters arrived in Kizlyar to free the hostages.

But by that hour, for some reason, the militants were “released” by decision of the leadership (republican or federal). In fact, our guys found there only the tail from a string of buses with terrorists leaving the city with hostages.

The fact is that the Dagestani official authorities (this is according to one version. And according to another - the federal authorities) decided to release the terrorists from the city hospital and, moreover, ordered them not to obstruct them, but to guarantee them a calm passage up to the border with Chechnya. Allegedly, for this the bandits intended to release the hostages at the border.

Around the time Alfa arrived in Kizlyar (exactly at 6:40), the terrorists with hostages had already started from the city in two KamAZ trucks provided to them and in a pair of ambulances, as well as in nine more buses. The terrorists mined the abandoned hospital.

Who broke the storm?

Of course, they were not released on all four sides. Escort was organized. In other words, a chase.

But the whole trouble was that the leadership of the operation to free the hostages was constantly changing plans.

At first, it was planned to block the convoy along the way of the bandits and free all the captives.

To be honest, this plan was quite risky. Indeed, among the captives there were several VIPs of Dagestan, including the deputies of the republic. Moreover, the terrorists had not one bus, but 9. Plus 2 KamAZ trucks and 2 ambulances. There are 13 vehicles in total.

It is hard to imagine what kind of howl would then rise in the countries of the West and throughout Europe if at least one of the hostages had died. And in this situation, it would have happened without fail. There weren't just two or three bandits. And they were not armed with sabers. They had grenade launchers, machine guns and machine guns.

Operation management is understandable. It was hot in the Caucasus then, the situation was tense, blood was pouring. Of course, the managers rushed about.

In other words, no one stopped Raduev or his pack of terrorists. The go-ahead for blocking did not come.

The bandits made it to the border village of Pervomaisky without hindrance. There they took more hostages. This time, the Novosibirsk riot police from the checkpoint were captured. The bandits took their weapons. This is according to one version.

Another version looks like this.

It is believed that the Raduevites organized almost the capture of Pervomaisky. But in reality, there was no assault. The fact is that a checkpoint of a special police detachment (from Novosibirsk) was then located near the village. And the convoy with militants and hostages was accompanied not by anyone, but by a local resident. It was a colonel of the local police, who appeared on TV.

This very local then approached the commander of the riot police and invited them to peacefully lay down their arms. Which they did. It is known, however, that not all surrendered. Some part of the OMON officers then refused to surrender to the bandits, and withdrew with weapons. After that, the militants collected the policemen's weapons. And those who surrendered were added to the hostages. The terrorists themselves entered the village of Pervomayskoye. That, in fact, looked like, according to eyewitnesses, the whole procedure of the alleged capture of the village by the militants.

Let us remind once again how the people of Raduev got to Pervomayskoye.

As follows from the report of group "A" (service), at first it was planned to capture the militants in the direction of movement.

“During further negotiations, the commander of the militants, Raduyev, put forward demands to provide an opportunity for the convoy to enter the territory of Chechnya, where he promised to release the hostages. In this regard, the command headquarters "A" developed a variant of carrying out an operation to free hostages along the route. "

A special scenario for capturing bandits was even developed.

"The plan of the operation provided for blocking the convoy with armored vehicles, destroying terrorists with sniper fire and blowing up KamAZ vehicles loaded with weapons and ammunition, persuading terrorists to surrender their weapons and free hostages."

For this, a group that arrived from Moscow worked out in detail the task:

“The officers of the“ A ”department carried out a reconnaissance of the area and selected possible locations for the operation. The unit was assigned a combat mission and worked out a communication and interaction scheme, calculated forces and assets. "

Predictably, the bandits changed their plans. Raduev will renounce his words. Instead of the promised release of hostages, the terrorists will capture new ones. The bandits decide to gain a foothold in the village of Pervomaiskoe. For this, firing points are equipped.

Here we turn to the recollections of the officers.

One of them is the Hero of Russia, Colonel Vladimir Vladimirovich Nedobezhkin. At that time he commanded a detachment of army special forces, which was in Khankala before these events.

The commander of the United Group of our troops, General Anatoly Kulikov, assigned Nedobezhkin's unit the task of storming buses with militants and hostages on the way to Chechnya. The paratroopers were supposed to land and block the site of the operation, and Nedobezhkin's group was to storm buses, neutralize the militants and free the hostages.

The colonel recalls that on that day everything was ready for the capture. Army special forces were waiting for the bandits just across the bridge. Suddenly…

“Further events began to develop not according to our scenario. A column of militants with hostages passed through the village of Pervomayskoye. Behind the village there is a bridge over a ditch, and further the territory of Chechnya begins.

Suddenly, the crews of our two MI-24 helicopters launch a missile attack on this bridge.

The column (of the bandits) immediately turns around and returns to Pervomaiskoye back. "

So who gave the command to the helicopter pilots in front of the very nose of the column to destroy the bridge on the way to the place where our people were already waiting for Radulov?

It is clear that if the assault on the column was nevertheless carried out according to the plan / variant of General Kulikov, then, firstly, our guys would not have to freeze for a week in the trenches in the vicinity of Pervomaiskoe. And secondly, there would definitely be annoying losses, both among the hostages and among the military, much less.

There is information in the public domain that the commander of the 58th Army, General Troshev (who commanded that operation at the first stage), the military, who were then sitting in ambush behind the bridge that was just blown up from the air, managed to ask the question:

“Who gave the command to the helicopter pilots right in front of the column to destroy the bridge on the way to the place where we were waiting for them?”

And then Troshev seemed to answer them:

"I didn't give."

So who exactly turned the course of events at Pervomaisky back then, in a literal sense, still remains unknown to this day.

The terrorists are warm and the soldiers are in the cold

So, the column of terrorists turned around in front of the blown up bridge (behind which the commandos were waiting for them). And she sat down in Pervomaiskiy.

It should be admitted that this turn has greatly strengthened the position of the terrorists. Having settled in the village, they changed the rules of the game. Those who were chasing them as part of a special operation to free the hostages were now forced by the bandits to engage with them.

All the previously outlined plans of the commanders and the tactical alignments of the special forces fighters were now inapplicable. The operation was retrained from that moment into a military operation (or a special KGB-military operation to eliminate bandit groups). Until now, the military has no unity on this issue on its classification.

For example, the Ministry of Defense describes this episode in Pervomaiskiy as a special operation. Whereas the FSB interprets it as a combined arms. There is a discrepancy. Or inconsistency? But is it possible that these are just different-military approaches?

“Theoretically, the task of blocking and storming the village of Pervomayskoye could be carried out by any experienced battalion commander with the forces of one battalion - after all, this is an ordinary army operation. But everything went very differently. Various forces were involved in the operation - the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, the Ministry of Defense. However, the combat experience of all the participants in the operation was mainly spetsnaz, as well as paratroopers. The main units of the Ministry of Defense were from the 135th motorized rifle brigade from Budennovsk.

Given the number of forces involved in the operation, it was supposed to be commanded by General Anatoly Kvashnin, then the commander of the North Caucasian Military District. But FSB director Mikhail Barsukov and Interior Minister Viktor Erin were at the scene. "

The experts who entered the discussion reasoned something like this. The presence of hostages, the issuance of ultimatums from terrorists, the execution of captured prisoners - gave all the grounds for starting an anti-terrorist operation.

The difficulty, however, was that there were many terrorists. Not a couple of three. And not even two or three dozen. And over three hundred thugs armed to the teeth.

The raiders who had entrenched themselves in Pervomaisk had sniper rifles, machine guns, mortars, grenade launchers and large-caliber machine guns.

In addition, these bandits dug not holes for themselves, but full-profile trenches. And they equipped a defensive fortified area. Moreover, they did it according to the canons of military art (forward and cut-off positions, communication passages, and even blocked slots, etc.). They say they dug all these fortifications with the hands of hostages.

If you use the hint of a military specialist, then it all looked like a motorized rifle battalion (MRB) in defense.

Moreover, since this SMB did not bury itself in the ground at all in a desert field, but entrenched itself in a large rural settlement (about 1 inhabitants), then its attacking forces during the operation would have to storm the settlement. With far from bright prospects.

What specific prospects could there be?

Let's say right away, quite depressing. And with all sorts of "ifs."

Any attack of such a fortified area in a settlement will result in failure and numerous casualties without preliminary artillery preparation and if the firing points of the bandits are not suppressed. Without threefold (five- or any multiple) superiority in manpower. And the main thing is that it is impossible to lead unprepared soldiers and officers to such an assault.

People who dare to attack a settlement outside the aforementioned conditions will simply die. Here is the conclusion of the experts.

Which, in essence, was to be expected. There was almost no artillery preparation as such. Although they fired a pair of anti-tank guns for the sake of warning. In fact, they pressed a little psychologically. But the real destruction of the gang's firing positions, according to the recollections of the participants in the events, did not happen.

And it immediately became clear. As our first detachments moved to the attack, they were met by a hurricane of fire from the bandits. Several people from the Dagestani OMON were killed and wounded at once. And the assault group retreated.

From a tactical point of view, this indicated that the terrorists did not lose their firing points, and their front defensive edge could not be suppressed. That is, everyone who, in this situation, goes on the attack, will face inevitable death.

And here is what the documents tell about it. From the report of group "A" (service):

“On January 15 at 8:30 am, the personnel of the department took up their initial positions. After taking a fire strike aviation and helicopters, the fighting groups in the divisions, setting up a forward patrol, in cooperation with the Vityaz unit, fought with Chechen fighters and advanced into “square four” on the southeastern outskirts of the village of Pervomaiskoe.

During the hostilities on January 15-18, the department employees identified and destroyed the firing points of the militants, provided fire cover for the Interior Ministry units, provided medical assistance, and evacuated the wounded from the battlefield. "

There is so much unsaid behind the short reporting phrase: “the wounded were evacuated”. For example, these guys from group "A" took and rescued fighters of the "Vityaz" detachment from the fire sack.

From the memoirs of Colonel Vladimir Nedobezhkin:

“On the third or fourth day, our men attempted an assault. The special forces of the internal troops "Vityaz", the special forces of the FSB "Alpha", "Vympel" tried to enter the village from the southeast and were caught there.

Then I talked to the guys from Vityaz. They said: “We entered, caught on, we are fighting in the village for each house. And "Alpha" could not follow us. "

That is, the back of "Vityaz" remained open. After all, "Alpha" with such a battle formation had an order to go behind and help "Vityaz", to concentrate, to storm houses together and so on.

In a populated area, going forward with an open back is just suicide ...

As a result, the "Vityaz" was surrounded, and from this boiler it left on its own, with great losses. "

This, by the way, is about the effectiveness and quality of the offensive fire preparation.

And here is what an eyewitness of that battle recalls about the accuracy of missile guidance:

“We saw the houses in which the militants were sitting, destroyed several machine gunners, snipers, and began directing artillery.

Our MI-24 helicopter appeared from behind. Launches rockets at the houses that we have indicated.

And suddenly two missiles come out, but they don't fly forward, but fall behind us and explode.

We - to the helicopter pilots: "What are you doing?"

And they: "Sorry guys, the missiles are substandard."

But it's funny to remember this just now. Then there was no laughing matter ... "

Again, from the comments of experts: if this happened in the war, then the actions could be as follows.

First. For example, if the attack had choked, then they would again drag artillery and again iron the front edge of the enemy's defense.

Second. Better yet, call in aircraft and strike with bombs.

Or third. The advancing units would seek to bypass the epicenter of resistance and begin to advance.

But all three of these options were impossible in those conditions. The authorities and the media then left the guys no other options, except one.

The fact is that from the very first shots a screeching arose in the liberal press, turning into hysteria - hostages were being killed, the village was being destroyed.

And the journalists, and the West, and the authorities, it seems, wanted only one thing then - to tear our guys to pieces. Throw their bodies into the embrasures of the bandits. Destroy the best commandos. All at once. And "Alpha" and "Vympel" and "Vityaz".

Of course, the state is obliged to rescue the hostages. But instead of organization, planning, coordination, firepower and other means of military affairs, only one means was proposed from above - to put all our best fighters in this field at Pervomaysky at once? Not to mention that our best special forces guys were used as infantry in Pervomayskoye.

In spetsnaz schools they teach a three-pronged task:

"Do not die yourself,

rescue as many hostages as possible,

destroy the terrorists. "

For this, the fighters of group "A" are trained to successfully storm the captured cars, liners and premises in which terrorists are hiding. But, as they later tried to justify the failures at the top: they are supposedly not so strong in combined arms tactics, and especially in digging trenches ...

By the way, our guys were not very lucky with the weather then. Every night there was frost, and during the day - frost. So my feet and all my equipment were wet all day long. They usually slept there on the ground, someone in the trenches. Then the sleeping bags were brought in, and the guys made capes from them.

And who was in charge of all this action?

From the memoirs of an eyewitness:

“I don’t know who was in charge and how he was in charge. But I have never seen a more illiterate and disorderly operation in my life. And the worst thing, even ordinary soldiers understood this.

There was practically no leadership, and each unit lived its own separate life. Everyone fought as best they could.

For example, one task was assigned to us, and another to the paratroopers to our right. We are neighbors, we are a hundred meters from each other, and different people command us. It is good that we have more or less agreed with them.

We had communication with them both visually and by radio.

True, the radio communication was open, the militants must have listened to our talks. "

This is where I would like to explain why we began our story precisely with the Chinese wisdom that a soldier is fed a thousand days to use one minute. The fact is that just under the May Day soldiers, in fact, there was nothing to eat. And they were freezing in the open air.

Employees of group "A" later said that Russian soldiers, numb in the cold, knocked on their buses in the evenings.

And at this time, by the way, the central TV channels bawled around the clock about Pervomayskoye. And they were reporting about the alleged complete blocking of militants. But this very blocking looked like sitting in winter trenches in a cold field. By the way, the militants were warming themselves at the villagers in warm huts.

Maybe someone needed such a breakthrough?

Now someone is asking:

"But how did Raduev escape from the blockade?"

Yes, it turned out that he escaped, breaking through in combat.

Eyewitnesses say that a continuous encirclement was not organized there then. And, all the more, there was no external or any other ring there.

And there were only rare defensive islands. One such bridgehead was held by thirty army special forces. This was exactly the same group of fighters who were suddenly closely attacked by the Raduev terrorists. It was these guys who put most of the bandits down.

Recall that the terrorists then had over three hundred mercenaries. And against them - 30 people from the 22nd brigade. The opponent has a tenfold advantage.

It is not surprising that almost all of our commandos were wounded. There were also those who died among them. But they are all real Heroes.

There are few of them left after that battle. Yes, and they left then, who where. Someone occasionally gives interviews and tells how it really was then.

And it looked, we must honestly admit, as an open betrayal or a setup. Judge for yourself:

“We were once again set up. The press then wrote - three rings of encirclement, snipers. All this is nonsense. No rings were there. The guys from our special brigade 22 and took a punch.

The density of the front was 46 man and a half kilometers. Imagine! For all standards, the excess of the length for each fighter is three times. And weapons - only small arms, light, but two armored personnel carriers attached.

These guys were put in the most difficult place. Most likely, the leadership knew that every one of them would have to die.

“Our site was the most likely to break through.

Why?

Because only here, in a single place, you can cross the Terek. I emphasize, in the only one.

There, an oil pipeline is stretched across the river, and above it is a bridge.

And the fool was clear: nowhere else to go.

Everything turned out as if on purpose. It turns out that everyone knew that Raduev would go here? And by and large, they did nothing. As if "from above" let him pass? Or is it just an accident?

And what's strange? With this pipe came the order not to destroy. And the guys, it turns out, can you ruin as much as you like?

Well, about that ill-fated trumpet - a real gift for terrorists, different versions were circulated by both soldiers and officers. For example, here's the look of a fighter:

We suggested blowing up the pipe.

No, it's oil, big money. People are cheaper.

But they would blow up - and the "spirits" have nowhere to go. "

And here is the officer's testimony:

We stood at the place where the most convenient place for a breakthrough was. First, close to the border with Chechnya. Secondly, it was here that a gas pipe passed through the river, above the water.

I suggested: "Let's blow up the pipe."

And to me: "And let's leave the whole republic without gas?"

I again: “So what is the task? Don't miss it? Then to fight like this. "

And me again about a republic without gas.

At our own peril and risk, we put mines in front of the pipe. All of them subsequently worked when the militants climbed the pipe.

All these days of waiting, no one knew what would happen: an assault or defense when they came out. And on January 17, a command comes: tomorrow at dawn there will be a re-assault. We were preparing for the assault. But it turned out the opposite.

“By the way, two Chechen KamAZ trucks approached from that side. We stood and waited. From our side - nothing, "turntables" did not work on them.

As such, the training of the terrorists was not. They began firing, and their strike group went on the attack. Coming to a strong point of one hundred meters, the front thugs lay down, began to exert fire pressure. In the meantime, a covering group was pulled up, and everyone rushed forward in a crowd.

From a tactical point of view, they acted correctly. In another way, they could not. After the battle, we checked the documents of the dead. Afghans, Jordanians, Syrians. About fifty professional mercenaries. "

And one more look at the tactics of bandits:

“And the breakthrough itself was built competently.

The militants had a distraction group aside, a fire group with large-caliber weapons, grenade launchers, machine gunners. Their fire group did not let us raise their heads.

Basically, all the dead and wounded appeared precisely during this first strike.

The density of the fire was such that officer Igor Morozov shattered a finger on his hand. He, an experienced officer, passed Afghan and fired, sitting in the trench, sticking out only his hands with a machine gun. His finger was crippled here. But he remained in the ranks. "

And here is how the commander recalls the very beginning of the battle with terrorists:

“Naturally, I didn't put mines in front of me at night. At 2:30 am I asked the group of observers who were in front: "Quiet?"

The answer is: "Quiet."

And I gave them the command to retreat to position. I leave a third of the people to guard, and the rest I give the command to rest, because in the morning - the assault.

A week has already passed in such conditions: naturally, people began to sway slightly while walking. But in the morning you have to run another seven hundred meters. And it's not easy to run, but under fire.

... And then almost immediately everything began ...

Interestingly, there was no illumination at all that night. Therefore, we noticed the militants over forty meters.

There is frost in the air, you can hardly see anything through night binoculars.

At this time, the group that was returning followed our trenches. My signalmen, who were on duty in turn, launched a rocket and saw the militants. They start counting - ten, fifteen, twenty ... a lot! ..

I give a signal: everyone to fight!

A group of twelve people, which was walking from the observation post, was fully prepared and immediately hit the militants from the left flank.

Thus, they gave the rest of the opportunity to prepare. "

The guys say that the terrorists were doping:

“Each, as a rule, has two duffel bags, in one - ammunition and canned food, in the other - drugs, syringes and so on.

So they attacked in a state of narcotic dope. They say they are fearless suicide bombers.

The bandits were afraid. "

And about how Raduev escaped:

“Yes, Raduev escaped, but we killed many.

About 200 terrorists went into battle. We killed 84 people. Apart from the wounded and prisoners.

In the morning I looked at the tracks - about twenty people escaped, no more. Raduev is with them.

The brigade also suffered losses: five were killed, six people were wounded. If two or three companies had been planted in our sector, the result would have been different.

Much was done stupidly. A small handful was planted in defense, they did not mine the approaches.

What did you expect?

Maybe someone needed such a breakthrough? »

Harsh, but true.

They break through to you

One thing is bad - the militants still broke through.

Then the guys who participated in that battle with their comrades analyzed this battle again and again. And yet they came to the conclusion that a breakthrough could have been prevented. And just a little was needed - to strengthen ours with armor.

But it looks like they weren't helping us in that battle.

Judge for yourself.

Indeed, in every joke there is only a fraction of a joke. As a rule, after all, through a very good joke, it is precisely the very unspoken truth that peeps through.

Among those who participated in the siege of Pervomaisky, there is such a bike.

By the time the militants broke through on the night of January 17-18, 1996, the entire operation was commanded by Mikhail Barsukov, director of the FSB. So that night he was told:

"The militants are breaking through!"

And he was very drunk. And he commanded:

"Come to me!"

And they answered him with malice:

“Excuse me, comrade general, they are still breaking through to you” ...

Note. During the operation to free the hostages in the city of Kizlyar and with. Pervomayskoye 153 militants were killed, 11 hostages were killed, 26 soldiers and officers of federal troops were killed at the hands of terrorists, 95 people were wounded, 250 houses were destroyed, 30 militants were captured, 86 hostages were released.

Everlasting memory

In the battle near Pervomaysky, the following died:

- chief of intelligence of the 58th Army, Colonel Alexander Stytsina,
- the commander of the communications company, Captain Konstantin Kozlov,
- medical captain Sergei Kosachev.

and officers of group "A"
- Major Andrey Kiselev
- and Viktor Vorontsov.

For the courage and courage shown during the rescue of the hostages, Andrei Kiselev and Viktor Vorontsov were awarded the Order of Courage (posthumously).

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[Theodore]

Who is guilty ? and What to do? The age-old problem of Russia ..........

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Theodore

Who is guilty ? and What to do? The age-old problem of Russia ..........

Vissarionovich knew what to do. The purge of the army in 37 had a positive effect. Yes, there were some costs, but they were later corrected.
And now, a purge in the upper echelons of power would not hurt.

[Retvizan 8]

Can I write to you so that this message hangs at the beginning of the article?
The article is inaccurate!
I would like the author to fix the error!
Novosibirsk riot police were not taken prisoner at the checkpoint!
It was a combined PPS detachment.

[Vladimir_2U]

Lies of Yeltsin

That you, the person in whose memory the centers are being erected, could not lie!

[mat-vey]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

That you, the person in whose memory the centers are being erected, could not lie!

And now no one is lying.

[The leader of the Redskins]

And when the Kursk sank, no one lied for a week ...

[mat-vey]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And when the Kursk sank, no one lied for a week ...

So no one ever lies .. even a little .. to slander a sin and not believe a sin ..

[Blacksmith 55]

At that time, all over Russia there was a mess ..... I better keep silent.
And so many "commanders". The team must be in the same hands.
I will see this drunken ebn as in the "box", turn it off immediately.
But the guys themselves are heroes, they are not guilty of anything, they did their duty.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

But the guys themselves are heroes, they are not guilty of anything, they did their duty.

On the way back to the helicopter, the major found a bus in which the renowned "Alpha" had sat in the rear. Entering the bus, the major stood in front of the passenger compartment and loudly asked those present:

- Is it Alpha?

Having received an affirmative answer, the major demonstratively and noisily sucked in all the contents of the cold nasopharynx and spat it on the floor.

- Well ... What do you say, Alpha?

In complete silence, the small and puny major looked at all the fighters of the super-elite unit with a grin and challenge, but they just averted their eyes ...

https://libking.ru/books/prose-/prose-military/170321-57-albert-zaripov-pervomayka.html#book

[antivirus]

only 38 parrots lied. .................................................. ....... the rest of the truth-tellers spoke the truth in everything

[Clear]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Lies of Yeltsin

That you, the person in whose memory the centers are being erected, could not lie!

This is the center of Russia's ideological poisoning. Especially the younger generation.

[phair]

Build a cattle burial for him ...

[Frank Muller]

An animal burial ground for perpetuating the memory of the "honored alcoholic of Russia" is hardly suitable. The sobering-up stations, which are now being revived in Russia, are worthy of his name.

[phair]

not ... there are vskie noskovtsy, Chubais and those who joined them.

[Dimy4]

The guarantor lays flowers to the Drunkard with pathos.

[Aerodrome]

I remember how Bruise, on the "box" it was lying, I then swore in front of my mother for the first and last time, rolled the head on the head already "buzzed" in my head ... and I was
strong 33 years old. a minute later, my mother said ... but in general, you're right, I'm sorry ...

Quote: Dimy4

The guarantor lays flowers to the Drunkard with pathos.

as they say, "grateful descendants ..."

[kapitan92]

Quote: Dimy4

The guarantor lays flowers to the Drunkard with pathos.

Lonely Putin laid flowers at the grave of Boris Yeltsin at night

Vladimir Putin:

Of course, the country should remember people like Boris Nikolayevich, and, of course, I remember this and will never forget.

But when events roll like a snowball - this is a completely different situation, and Boris Nikolayevich never shied away from responsibility, from the burden of responsibility that fell on his shoulders or was placed on his shoulders by fate - we are standing here next to his grave - or the Lord ...

Something like that!

[lelik613]

Like to like ...

[tasha]

As Albert Zaripov writes, a direct participant in those events: "In total, twenty-nine Russian officers, contract soldiers and soldiers died. Eleven people were killed in the Buinaksk reconnaissance company; scout Kolenkin was killed in the positions of the paratroopers; one Novosibirsk policeman died in the breakthrough and another Siberian died from received wounds in the village of Novogroznensk; six people were killed at the positions of the first group of the third battalion; the rest were killed during the assault on the village on January 15th ... "

[Aerodrome]

Quote: tasha

As Albert Zaripov writes, a direct participant in those events: "In total, twenty-nine Russian officers, contract soldiers and soldiers died. Eleven people were killed in the Buinaksk reconnaissance company; scout Kolenkin was killed in the positions of the paratroopers; one Novosibirsk policeman died in the breakthrough and another Siberian died from received wounds in the village of Novogroznensk; six people were killed at the positions of the first group of the third battalion; the rest were killed during the assault on the village on January 15th ... "

tin ... I think normal people will not give you "plus minuses" ... everything is scary ...

[Ilya22558]

By the way, acquaintance with the work of A.M. Zaripov, I started just with his work "Pervomaika". A terrible book I must admit.

[Vladimir61]

And at this time, by the way, the central TV channels bawled around the clock about Pervomayskoye. And they were reporting about the alleged complete blocking of militants.

Aha! And the country's main alcoholic told on cameras how a personal sniper would follow each terrorist and at the same time poked his stupid firebrand "at the front". Burn him in hell, together with his companions who have perished and are still spoiling the air.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Vladimir61

Burn him in hell, together with his companions who have perished and are still spoiling the air.

deep....

[Incvizitor]

Along with these ...

23 years ago, on December 17, 1995, elections to the State Duma of the Russian Federation of the second convocation were held, according to the results of voting, an absolute majority of seats - 99 - went to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. The State Duma of the second convocation worked from January 16, 1996 to December 24, 1999.

[Tamer]

Quote: Incvizitor

according to the results of voting, the absolute majority of mandates - 99 - went to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation.

The State Duma has 450 seats. The given number of the CPRF mandates - 99 out of 225 - is when voting on party lists. Another 225 seats were “played out” in single-mandate constituencies. As a result, the CPRF had 157 mandates out of 450. You have complacently "forgiven" 297 more "representatives of the people".

[Marine engineer]

“.... failures must be kept in mind. And disassemble them in detail. "

There is only one paragraph in the article about the Novosibirsk riot police.
I remember how it struck me that healthy, armed men behaved like sheep, disgracing themselves forever.
It is a pity that the author did not "disassemble" them "in detail".

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Marine engineer

“.... failures must be kept in mind. And disassemble them in detail. "

There is only one paragraph in the article about the Novosibirsk riot police.
I remember how it struck me that healthy, armed men behaved like sheep, disgracing themselves forever.
It is a pity that the author did not "disassemble" them "in detail".

in vain you so ... they were dismantled by beards, in detail, lack of combat experience. what a shameful ... life was given. from the Urals. from the region, from the city, a lot of "cops" traveled, guys at all ... but what should they quit? all returned ... almost different, harsh and angry, and are not afraid of blood. a lot of "divorced" with the family, wives could not live with them. drink ... the syndrome is like that. The Chinese have a proverb, I don't remember literally, but the meaning is this: "a warrior needs to be fed for a hundred years, but he is needed only for a minute" ... it's not in our untrained fighters, it's in the heads of "those about whom you can't talk about!" strategists "were they shot down? who answered?

[Captain45]

Quote: Aerodrome

all returned ... almost different, harsh and angry, and are not afraid of blood.

Then in March 2000, when Gelayev and a gang were squeezed in Komsomolskoye, six EMNIP Novosibirsk sobrovtsy killed. Himself, being in the VROVD, the OPD in fact started, because there were some troubles with the confirmation of death in battle and the widows could not pay pensions. It's good that our detachment doctor was there in March, examined their bodies and could, in fact, confirm the fact of the wounds and their severity on the protocol.

[tasha]

Buddy, calmer. What, in your opinion, should the healthy armed men have done?
And by the way, they were just policemen, PPS nicknames ..
Do not forget that there was Budennovsk before Kizlyar.

There is only one paragraph in the article about the Novosibirsk riot police.

Very bad paragraph, wrong.

[Marine engineer]

"Very bad paragraph, wrong"

I agree, so I will help the author.
“36 employees of the Novosibirsk OMON simply put their weapons on the ground and surrendered. Later, the militants forced the prisoners to dig trenches, killed the deputy commander of the detachment, who was trying to resist ..... "(C)

[tasha]

You are wrong. Read the comments below.
What about your actions in such a situation?

[Marine engineer]

I'm reading.
“... captured 3 KPVT, PKT and RPK machine guns, 4 RPG-7 grenade launchers and 36 rounds for them, 28 AKS-74U assault rifles, 3 SVD sniper rifles, 2 GP-25 underbarrel grenade launchers, 4 PM pistols, 36 RGD-grenades 5, about 22 thousand cartridges and other property of the detachment.

During the seizure of the checkpoint and the checkpoint, the platoon commander, militia lieutenant V.I. managed to get out of the village of Pervomaisky with his weapon and get to the checkpoint near the village of Akbalaturt.

Detachment commander Likhachev E.B. and platoon commander Minenko O.I. At about 18:19 on the same day, the militants sent them to the location of the federal forces to deliver an ultimatum on the unhindered passage of the column of militants with hostages to the territory of the Chechen Republic, and the threat that failure to comply with the requirements would entail the execution of 15 militiamen of the Novosibirsk consolidated detachment every 2 minutes after XNUMX:XNUMX. After the transfer of the militants' demands, Likhachev and Minenko did not return to the detachment, having received an order from Goncharov.

34 police officers from the checkpoint were taken by bandits to the village of Pervomayskoye, where they were kept under guard and, under the threat of the use of weapons, were used to dig trenches. " (WITH)
They surrendered the checkpoint, laid down their arms (except for one employee), became hostages, and dug trenches for the "militants".
What is wrong?

[tasha]

You write: "36 employees of the Novosibirsk OMON simply put their weapons on the ground and surrendered," "healthy, armed men behaved like sheep, disgracing themselves forever."

[Marine engineer]

I did not know that to surrender the fortified checkpoint without a fight, in order to then "shatter" on the militants, facilitating their "hard terrorist work" - this is valor, courage, courage.

[tasha]

And here you are wrong. "to surrender the fortified checkpoint without a fight, in order to then" shatter "on the militants, facilitating their" hard terrorist work "- this is NOT valor, courage, courage."
You know, some actions are better not to be evaluated at all. Did you find the answer for yourself, how will you act in such a situation? It doesn't have to be written here ...

[Retvizan 8]

"Valor, courage, courage", this is the motto of the OMON, at the checkpoint there was a combined PPS detachment.
The Novosibirsk OMON was not there.

[Retvizan 8]

And I will correct you, there was no Novosibirsk OMON at the checkpoint, it was a consolidated detachment of patrol and patrol service.

[Oleg]

So they were PPSniks or OMON officers? PPSniki from some consolidated militia detachment from Novosibirsk or just the Novosibirsk OMON? In May / June 95 they stood together with the Novosibirsk OMON in the GUOSH. The lads were correct in all respects :-)

[Retvizan 8]

Dear Oleg, the article contains really inappropriate information, there was no Novosibirsk OMON at the checkpoint
it was a combined PPS detachment.

[Retvizan 8]

You are right it was not riot police.

[major147]

Quote: Marine Engineer

About Novosibirsk riot police

As far as I know, these are not OMON, but PPSniks.
Ours were in Pervomayskiy, I was not, I was on vacation when I was away, I was not found. Then I talked with an officer who had previously served with us, and then transferred to the 22nd brigade. It's all true.

[Retvizan 8]

You were misled, it was not the Novosibirsk OMON, it was a combined PPS detachment. The rest is about the test.

[Glory1974]

Initially, the Raduevites attacked the helipad in Kizlyar. The guard worked well, opened fire on time, pulled up the BTR-80. In the open space, the militants did not appear heroism and retreated into the city, seizing the hospital.
A bunch of chiefs gathered in Pervomayskoye, they could not decide who would be in charge, they did not create an operational headquarters. In theory, the FSB was supposed to be in charge, but since Alfa refused to go into battle, they did not accept the leadership either.
From a military point of view, it is impossible to condemn the Alpha members for refusing to go into battle, it is hard to understand from a human point of view.
As a result, conscripts-soldiers and officers of the internal troops went into the attack. Not only "Vityaz" detachment of special forces of the Internal Troops, but also from other units and formations of operational units of the North Caucasian District of Internal Troops.
A detachment of SOBR was supposed to support, but they lay under fire before reaching the village. Therefore, the special forces, who acted at the forefront of the main attack, burst into the village, but without receiving support were forced to retreat.
There was no continuous ring of encirclement. The trenches were dug on high-rise buildings, in the lowlands there was water under the snow, it was impossible to dig.
When Raduev was interrogated after his capture (several years after these events), when asked who helped him break out of the encirclement, he answered with a smile: “This is a military art. We watched the battlefield, conducted reconnaissance, analyzed where the fire was coming from and what density. As a result, we determined where the gap in the battle formations is and in which direction it is necessary to break. " And it is difficult to argue with these words of his.
If our bosses are so smart, why didn't they ambush this pipe? Why weren't all the approaches mined? In the event of a breakthrough, why didn't they destroy the entire gang at the crossing? The question is rhetorical.
And I would like to say in defense of the riot police from Novosibirsk. They followed the order. And the order was unambiguous: not to offer resistance, to ensure the unhindered passage of buses, not to leave the post. They carried out the order and cannot be judged for it. the militants did not show aggression towards the riot police. Only after they realized that they would not be released to Chechnya they would not be captured. I would like to wish all officers and commanders for the future to calculate the consequences of the orders they carry out and try to minimize negative factors.

[Engineer]

From a military point of view, it is impossible to condemn the alphas for refusing to go into battle

Maybe the other way around? From a military point of view, they should all be tried.
According to the official version, the storm on January 15 was commanded by Viktor Zorin, Barsukov's deputy, that is, face. That is, the alpha refused to obey the commander from her own department?

[Glory1974]

Alpha refused to go into battle, arguing that it was a combined arms battle. It is necessary to run after the armored vehicles to the prepared enemy positions. And they were trained to free the hostages. I think that Zorin supported them.

[Engineer]

You can comb it. I cannot say otherwise. Well trained, motivated and armed people who took the oath. Gorgeous, what is already there.

[Marine engineer]

“And I would like to say in defense of the riot police from Novosibirsk. They followed the order. And the order was unambiguous: not to offer resistance, to ensure the unhindered passage of buses, not to leave the post. "

The one who gave such an order must have a full name, rank, position.
Not a word about this in the article. If you really know that there was such an order, and did not hear from someone, then name who gave it.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Marine Engineer

The one who gave such an order must have a full name, rank, position.
Not a word about this in the article. If you really know that there was such an order, and did not hear from someone, then name who gave it.

We are talking about the commander of the 5th zone.

Police captain Likhachev adds:

“I missed one detail in my story. When the convoy stopped after shelling from a helicopter and for one and a half to two hours negotiations were held between the field commanders and, in particular, the head of our 5th operational zone, Colonel G., we were not informed about the change in the situation. We could not predict the development of the situation. We were not warned that the militants would return back. ”
...
... The deputy says again. commander:
Together with our soldiers, the driver and two guards of the commander of the 5th zone were disarmed. They were in my cockpit. At one point, the colonel appeared there, took his weapon from the general pile: he pulled out his machine gun, took the weapon that belonged to his fighters, took his fighters and LEFT! He did not give us any commands, orders, or recommendations.

http://www.telenir.net/istorija/chechenskoe_koleso/p10.php

[Retvizan 8]

Dear, thank you for the good, detailed answer, only one thing I will correct you. At the checkpoint, it was not riot policemen who surrendered, but a consolidated detachment of patrol police.

[Glory1974]

in the second war, when the militants broke through from Grozny, they were ambushed. But the main part still broke through and left. Shamanov then made excuses, said, we did not think that so many of them would trample. This is to the military skill of our leaders. Although Shamanov is one of the most intelligent in that war.
Well, as a result of the battles at Pervomaiskiy. They brought up artillery, aviation, began to iron the village out of "Grad" Raduev realized that no one would negotiate and went for a breakthrough. To reduce the discontent of the civilians who survived, the village of Pervomayskoye was rebuilt. all houses are made of red brick, gasified, for the locals everything was done free of charge. And it is right. The state should be responsible for everything.

[ccsr]

Quote: glory1974

Shamanov then made excuses, he said, we did not think that so many of them would trample on. This is to the military skill of our leaders. Although Shamanov is one of the most intelligent in that war.

I think that in addition to the reproach for the lack of knowledge of the art of war, you must still point out that the field troops are not even morally ready to fight the population of their country. Not only that, initially there was an installation that one should not touch civilians, and this tied the hands of the military in the complete destruction of the enemy during the entire war.

Quote: glory1974

They brought up artillery, aviation, began to iron the village from "Gradov" Raduev realized that no one would negotiate and went for a breakthrough.

It turns out that it was necessary how to act so that everything would fall into place. I will also note that despite the fact that the FSB leaders wear shoulder straps, they are not ready to act against a well-trained battalion (in number) of Chechen fighters, and would never have coped with their own forces. Because for this it is necessary to involve at least a motorized rifle regiment of the Ground Forces with all standard weapons and act as they teach in the army, and not as in the special services - the number of militants must be taken into account first of all in order to understand who should lead the operation. And here, to be honest, some leaders wanted to curry favor with the drunk and everyone strove to move themselves to the first roles. As a result, ordinary officers and rank and file perished in various power structures, and often simply because of the inability to properly organize the interaction of this heterogeneous group of servicemen.

Quote: glory1974

To reduce the discontent of the civilians who survived, the village of Pervomayskoye was rebuilt. all houses are made of red brick, gasified, for the locals everything was done free of charge. And it is right. The state should be responsible for everything.

I cannot evaluate this, because I do not strongly believe that the entire population was on our side, but since such a decision has been made, let them at least shut their mouths up. The war continued for a long time later, and it cost us too much, and these expenses are inevitable.

[Glory1974]

You are obliged to point out that the field troops are not even morally ready to fight the population of their country.

no one was going to fight with the civilian population of their country. And this was not in my thoughts. And if a civilian took a weapon and went against the legitimate government, he is already a bandit. In those conditions there was no civilian population. Ambush groups were prepared, but there were too few of them to hold back the breakthrough. Remote mining was applied, but it helped partially. In this case, the art of war was just not enough.

[ccsr]

Quote: glory1974

no one was going to fight with the civilian population of their country. And this was not in my thoughts.

If a group is surrounded in a village, then using heavy weapons against it, civilians, not militants, will suffer or not? Of course they will suffer, and then all this will be blown up so that any commander will always think about how to act in such a situation. And the ban on the use of aviation best of all suggests that the troops have their hands tied.

Quote: glory1974

In those conditions, there was no civilian population.

Those. you want to say that there were only militants in Pervomayskoye? Then why didn't they immediately use powerful aerial bombs and large-caliber artillery, since there were no civilians there? Well, they did not take care of the house ...

Quote: glory1974

Ambush groups were prepared, but there were too few of them to contain the breakthrough.

Here I am about the fact that there are standards for the use of troops in order to avoid a breakthrough of the surrounded enemy grouping, and if this was not observed, then we must ask those who were preparing the operation why they reacted so carelessly to this.
Although I understand that all these questions are in the void - "the case is closed, forget it", which is beneficial for some people even now. Therefore, they do not return to these events, because the participants of those days are alive, and it may turn out that not everything was as presented to us.

Quote: glory1974

In this case, the art of war was just not enough.

The art of war will greatly help you, in the absence of troops and the necessary weapons - I don't think so. And given that the FSB does not study this military art at all, the results are obvious. Catching terrorists in the form of groups is one thing, but destroying terrorist units that are fighting as an army unit is a completely different matter, other methods are needed here.

[Glory1974]

If a group is surrounded in a village, then using heavy weapons against it, civilians, not militants, will suffer or not?

a corridor was always created for the exit of the civilian population. Artillery shelling was conducted on identified targets, not on areas. Targeted destruction of civilians is a war crime.

you want to say that there were only militants in Pervomayskoye?

I wrote about the ambush near Grozny, not about Pervomayskoye.

Therefore, they do not return to these events, for the participants of those days are alive, and it may turn out that not everything was as presented to us.

I agree 100%. Everything was wrong, there is nothing to be proud of, so everything is forgotten at the official level.

[ccsr]

Quote: glory1974

a corridor was always created for the exit of the civilian population.

But they were often not released, and you should know this.

Quote: glory1974

Artillery shelling was carried out on identified targets, and not across areas.

In general, we have specially in service with multiple launch rocket systems, specifically for hitting areas.

Quote: glory1974

The targeted destruction of civilians is a war crime.

No one was going to purposefully destroy the population, especially since it was forbidden to do so.

Quote: glory1974

I wrote about the ambush near Grozny, not about Pervomayskoye.

I apparently did not understand what was being discussed, that's why I wrote this answer.

Quote: glory1974

I agree 100%. Everything was wrong, there is nothing to be proud of, so everything is forgotten at the official level.

I was summing up the results in 1995 in one of the major structures, so I understand why everyone is still afraid to stir it up.

[2534M]

Quote: ccsr

I was summing up

ensign on Friday

Quote: ccsr

in one of the major structures

food warehouse?

Quote: ccsr

so I understand

in stew varieties?
or how to store footcloths correctly?

[Andrey VOV]

Terrible for the targets identified in advance ?? do not make me laugh, yes, our art acted perfectly, especially if there was a sensible spotter, but they themselves were so eager that their own got it, and when in the city there is a puff pie ...

[Piligrim]

And given that the FSB does not study this military art at all, the results are obvious. Catching terrorists in the form of groups is one thing, but destroying terrorist units that are fighting as an army unit is a completely different matter, different methods are needed here.

The capture of the Tajbek Palace in Kabul completely refutes your words.

[ccsr]

Quote: Piligrim

The capture of the Tajbek Palace in Kabul completely refutes your words.

It does not refute anything, considering that it was attended by a "Muslim" special forces detachment and airborne troops, and only at the final stage the capture was carried out by KGB groups. Who, in your opinion, gave the data on radio intelligence and photographic materials from reconnaissance aircraft to the leader of the assault? And the territory itself was small, which is why everything worked out. If one had to act on several square kilometers, it is still unknown how the operation would have gone. So you shouldn't judge this assault only by the descriptions in the media.

[seacap]

To begin with, there were more than 100 "advisers" of various stripes from the State Department and various overseas special services in the Kremlin on a permanent basis, as now in the "independent" one. Due to Kozyrev's and Chubais's obligations, we had no right to move more than a battalion across the country. On the night of the breakthrough, all the artillery and all the detachments of the 2nd echelon of OMON, SOBR groups and military reconnaissance officers were left without force coverage to the places of permanent deployment, I can not draw conclusions, there are no facts and not my level.

[Andrey VOV]

During the day it is peaceful, but the svdshka or Kalash or RPG darkens and fills ... and in the morning a layman again ... hunches over and rubs at the blocks, and in the evening they cover the block ... peaceful

[Konnick]

The Raduevites famously left. There was fog. They took off their shoes and ran along the soggy arable land, they gave a tear, the earth did not stick to their bare feet. Ours in boots could only move with a step.

[Andrey VOV]

They didn't run barefoot ...

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Konnick

The Raduevites famously left. There was fog. They took off their shoes and ran along the soggy arable land, they gave a tear, the earth did not stick to their bare feet. Ours in boots could only move with a step.

I can only advise "you" to do the same "trick" in the WINTER ...
The bandits' shoes were taken off after the battle, I will not argue why and who did it. In defense of "Alpha" - "Alpha" = scalpel, chopping wood with a scalpel - spending a lot of scalpels - there is little use ... About the fact that they refused to storm - how many were Alpha fighters? - per platoon, two platoons were recruited (30-60 fighters) ??? - and it was proposed to storm the "usual defensive line". In Budenovsk, the special forces DIDN'T REFUSE TO STORM, some of the hostages were freed with a fight ... and then we LET OUT - WE WILL NEGOTIATE ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Konnick

They took off their shoes and ran along the soggy arable land, they gave a tear, the earth did not stick to their bare feet.

Yeah, I remember how some guy with big stars was carrying this nonsense on TV. Yeltsin, probably wanted to surpass, with his 38 snipers. The Raduevtsy did not give a tear, they attacked the positions of the GRU special forces head-on.

[Captain45]

Quote: glory1974

in the second war, when the militants broke through from Grozny, they were ambushed. But the main part still broke through and left. Shamanov then made excuses, said, we did not think that so many of them would trample.

The rumor was that one of the warriors sold Basayev for 100 thousand green a passage in a minefield, it seems that even the "faces" were tied to someone, but that's it, at the level of rumors. Although there is nothing surprising in the act itself. In war, anything can happen, including betrayal out of self-interest, for "loot".

[Glory1974]

The rumor was that one of the warriors sold Basayev for 100 thousand green a passage in a minefield

This was not a rumor, but an integral part of a special operation. The agent sold the passage, thereby luring the militants to the place where the ambush was made. When leaving Grozny, Basayev was blown up by a mine and his leg was blown off.

[seacap]

The entire Caucasus has been rebuilt and gasified since Soviet times, so b. in the "plain" teips, where there were "hard workers" and oilmen, earned very well, the same Atagi or T. Yurt. Shamanov never made excuses to anyone, this is one of the most competent generals with tremendous combat experience, a paratrooper who took part in all conflicts from the lieutenant. If he did something, he did it with the maximum possible efficiency and minimum loss of l / s, for which he severely asked his subordinates. Vechiaslav, for the future, be extremely correct in presenting some facts, tb. in such a burning topic, and even in the presence of participants of veterans of certain events, otherwise in the future they will not reckon with you at all and perceive you as a significant person, this is so if softly and culturally. It is not necessary to pass off the tales of the captain or the cook from the soldier's canteen as a fact, it is very frivolous, here people who have gone through all this communicate, and those who gave orders to battalions and regiments.

[Glory1974]

Shamanov never made excuses to anyone,

You can find his interview on the net after that ambush, when journalists asked him why the bulk of the militants left.

this is one of the most competent generals with tremendous combat experience, a paratrooper who took part in all battles since the lieutenant.

I do not argue with that. But he also made a lot of mistakes.

If he did something, he did it with the maximum possible efficiency and the minimum loss of l / s, for which he severely asked his subordinates

Maybe you know how the ambush on the militants was organized and how they were lured to the village of Komsomolskoye, which was then stormed for a month? A very interesting story that needs to be devoted to the article. In order to prevent the militants from suspecting an ambush, a motorized rifle platoon with an AGS platoon was given to them to be devoured, of course, it was most effective in that situation, but I don't think so. And in the place of those guys, no one would want to be.

be extremely correct in the presentation of some facts

I'm trying to be as correct as possible. I only write what I know. This has nothing to do with bikes. Only often these facts contradict the official version and make the participants in the events not in their best shape.

[Engineer]

Unfortunately, even 25 years later, there are too many blank spots in this story.
Why did the assault on January 15 fail?
How and under what circumstances were 82 (86 from the author) hostages released?
Why weren't they set up ambushes on the breakout-retreat routes?

[Andrey VOV]

Why the assault failed, it is written simply and clearly ... but about the breakthrough ... well, then the bandits' calls were intercepted and they called directly to Moscow ... that's all ... plus in the first war in Dagestan and Ingushetia they treated the Chechens in a completely different way

[Victor Red]

Quote: Andrey VOV

... plus in the first war in Dagestan and Ingushetia they treated the Chechens completely differently

It was this raid by Raduev that became a turning point in their relationship. At that time, several Avar families lived in our village. I worked with some of them. I remember them very well, they originally belonged to the war: the moral support of the Chechens. And how it changed to the completely opposite one after the very first messages from Kazlyar.

[Andrey VOV]

Yes, and 99 perfectly showed what kind of neighbors they are

[Glory1974]

How and under what circumstances were 82 (86 from the author) hostages released?

there was a combined arms battle, no one even thought to release the hostages. At night, during a breakthrough, they fired at the flashes of shots. The hostages who were with the militants and were used to carry cargo and the wounded did not shoot. This gave them a chance to survive. After the battle, survivors were counted and that's all the liberation.

[Engineer]

Why did the militants go into a breakthrough without hiding behind hostages as they did before?
Have you decided to do everything quickly and lightly?
What is the probability that the command just agreed with them - you throw hostages, we let you go? And the screen from the fighters of the 22nd brigade was simply not warned.

[Okolotochny]

In an article about this there was - there was no Competent, Unified MANAGEMENT of the operation, each (of the "great") pulled himself, preferring to shift the responsibility to colleagues from other departments. I will add a little - the first in Dagestan were the guys from the Krasnodar "Alpha" and "Sharks", also the guys from the Stavropol "Alpha", then the Muscovites came up.

[iouris]

Betrayal is foresight!

[seacap]

This is cowardice or self-interest, but unambiguous stupidity, betrayal is not rational and does not pay off.

[iouris]

Quote: seacap

betrayal is not rational and does not pay off.

The history of the USSR and the Russian Federation does not confirm this statement (yet).

[seacap]

Nothing is over yet, everything has just come to a climax, everyone will always answer for meanness and betrayal, and with the accumulated multiplier, if not personally, then their children, all the most interesting is ahead. The laws of physics also, without exception, work in the spiritual sphere, tb. time is the magnitude of the physical dimension, if it has disappeared somewhere, then it has arrived somewhere, an axiom.

[seacap]

All this is still going on, only it has taken on more sophisticated and Jesuit forms, nothing has changed, the attitude towards the military, especially towards the "used material" remains the same, dismissive, arrogant, humiliating. The power is still the same people who betrayed and killed the state, who gave its remnants and the people to the power of the enemy for plunder, who mocked and destroyed people in uniform, faithful to duty and oath, Chubais, "family", curls, grefs, etc. the clique led by the guarantor has not gone anywhere, they are all here at the "trough" and in power, all of them, all this news continues to sleep softly and eat sweetly, they all despise the people and the country in which they are forced to be. That is why the 90s have not gone anywhere and nothing has ended, the humiliation of the 90s continues in a more sophisticated form. In the form of discrimination on the basis of professionalism and because of service in the Soviet Army, the cynical introduction of a reduction coefficient to the calculation of the pension of civil servants of this category only, which is not found anywhere else in the world (again another lie for the agreed duration, even the law was blinded for this), and in / from the bloody hell of the 90s, who saved as much as they could the traditions and the Russian army itself, spat upon by their own people and bureaucrats, in general in violation of all conceivable laws, did not even recalculate pensions according to the new increased pay, and again lies, lies, about compensation and quarterly recalculations. All this makes you think and ask questions. tb We have some experience, we know history and philosophy well, at one time the teachers of the 1st department of any school and academy knew their job perfectly.

[Alexfly]

RIP fighters

[Aviator_]

And then Troshev seemed to answer them:

"I didn't give."

Well, you can't ask Troshev anymore. Another thing is that the chaos of the leadership of the operation with many forces and each with its own commander will naturally lead to such an ending. Separately, it is worth noting the Novosibirsk riot police - it's not unarmed demonstrations to disperse, that's where they would show themselves! And then everything was blamed on some "local police chief," allegedly he persuaded to surrender. Shame.

[tasha]

Separately, it is worth noting the Novosibirsk riot police - it's not to disperse unarmed demonstrations, that's where they would show themselves

The question is - what were the Novosibirsk police officers supposed to do?
And I will remind you - before that there was Budennovsk. Who made the decisions there, remember? And how did it end? "After the failed storming of the building on June 17 and negotiations on June 19, the militants freed the hostages. In response, the Russian authorities agreed to cease hostilities in Chechnya, and also allowed the attackers to return to the republic."

[Aviator_]

And I will remind you - before that there was Budennovsk.

Was there OMON in Budyonnovsk too?

[tasha]

Sorry, I didn't understand the essence of the question ..

[Aviator_]

Personally, it is not clear to me what the OMON was doing in the problem area (Pervomaisky), these are absolutely not his tasks. And they behaved like rams, surrendered their weapons. After that, they are no longer good for anything. Nowhere.

[tasha]

Read the comments on the article, please ...

[Frank Muller]

How is it, "are not suitable for anywhere"? And to disperse protest demonstrations, and who will grab and bludgeon old people who have turned up under the arm, random passers-by ?!

[Retvizan 8]

Alas, you did not succeed in throwing a stone at the riot police, because in the disinformation article, a combined PPS detachment was at the checkpoint, there was no riot police there.

[Ka-52]

pathos and conspiracy the author did not need to push the article. This is a difficult page in our history and you need to know it in order to avoid mistakes in the future. For those who are really interested in the description of events, it is better to read "Pervomayka". There will be more understanding.

[rjpthju]

It was a pity that General Rokhlin was not. He knew what to do ... Removed.

[maw]

Quote: tasha

“Twenty-nine Russian officers, contract soldiers and soldiers were killed in total.

KV st.l-nt Dima Shutov died there.
Well, about the three rings, about which Borka the Calagolik crucified. I had 34 people in the battalion. together with me and the paramedic. The rest at that time carried out the SBZ in Grozny. These are the divisions and regiments there were. Collected everyone. The shelves are cropped and that is probably more in terms of l / s.

[major147]

Quote: glory1974

why didn't they make an ambush near this pipe? Why weren't all the approaches mined?

In early February 2000, our unit was assigned the task of storming a village in Chechnya, where, according to intelligence, Basayev was located, who had broken through with her own people from Grozny. We arrived at the surrounded village in the morning, and from the soldiers surrounding him we learned that at night a helicopter sat down and took off without lights. I have no reason not to believe the soldiers about the helicopter. Accordingly, after the assault on Basayev, they did not find among the dead and prisoners, but they really wanted to. So the question arises, why?

[xomaNN]

It is bitter to read about that terrible truth about either the headlessness, or the venality of EBN and the team of those commanders.

And although history does not tolerate subjunctiveness, I wonder what the results would be, with the current operation of special forces in 2020 against the same gang of 300 spirits?

[TatarinSSSR]

I do not even want to draw conclusions ... Eternal memory of the fallen soldiers of the feds, God grant health to the survivors.

[nnz226]

This article would have been a little earlier, when the media were rushing about the 90th anniversary of the drunkard Borka Yeltsin, praising him. This is what this drunkenness brought the country to, lying to the people about "successes" in the fight against terrorists!

[iouris]

If betrayal is called a "setup", then what?

[svoit]

Quote: Marine Engineer

I didn’t know what to surrender the fortified checkpoint without a fight, in order to then "shatter" on the militants

No need to judge too harshly, then neither the rank and file nor the command had experience and will, all this will not come from anywhere, experience is the son of difficult, sometimes bloody mistakes

[silverwolf88]

Russia, just like the USSR, always loses as much as possible and suffers losses not in open battles and battles ... not from the numerical superiority of enemies ... but from internal betrayal ... it is the main danger ...

[Tamer]

The author is familiar with someone else's article:
"Fight at Pervomaisky" by Felix Romanov, "Soldier of Fortune" magazine No. 3, 2003
http://otvaga2004.ru/voyny/wars-ussr/wars-caucas/boj-u-pervomajskogo/
https://topwar.ru/93283-boy-u-pervomayskogo-kto-predal-nashih-soldat.html

[MALUTA_2]

All the plans of the Liberev leaked to the donkeys.

[Frank Muller]

When a flock of lions is headed by a "council" of cowardly hares and stupid rams, the outcome of the upcoming fight with the enemy is predictable even before it begins.
Song Tzu (VI century BC).
The trouble with post-Soviet Russia is that from the very beginning it was headed by an occasionally sober "ram" with an ever intriguing camarilla of the same "rams, goats and hares." It is not surprising that less than a year before the events discussed, there was, in fact, a victory for the terrorists in Budennovsk (although a drunken Yeltsin then gave an interview to the media: "We are eliminating all terrorists, we keep them all at gunpoint!") And others, less large-scale tragic events. Well, after that there were unforeseen tragic events at Dubrovka and in Beslan. True, the latter remained on the conscience of the heirs of the “great Russian”, who was awarded official museum memory and unofficial popular vilification.