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Russian Arctic will be covered by MiG-31 with hypersonic "Daggers"

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Russian Arctic will be covered by MiG-31 with hypersonic "Daggers"

Marine aviation Northern fleet will get into service with hypersonic complexes "Dagger", the corresponding decision was made by the Ministry of Defense of Russia. Reported by "News" with reference to the military department.


As the newspaper writes, the Ministry of Defense made a fundamental decision on arming the naval aviation of the Northern Fleet with the Dagger hypersonic complex. Next year, 2021, the preparation of infrastructure and personnel for the maintenance and operation of the hypersonic weapons.

Most likely, the MiG-31 high-altitude interceptors, which are in service with the 98th mixed air regiment, located in Monchegorsk on the Kola Peninsula, will be used as the carrier of the "Daggers". It is also possible that the complex may enter service with a new aviation unit.

For our part, we note that the decision to cover the northern and Kamchatka directions of the Ministry of Defense with hypersonic missiles was made at the end of last year. At the same time it was reported that the timing of the integration of the Kinzhal RK into the naval aviation of the Northern and Pacific fleets depends on the fulfillment of the state defense order, i.e. re-equipment of MiG-31 interceptors for missile carriers.

It is assumed that with the introduction of the Kinzhal complexes into service, Russia will completely close the Arctic, as well as the Northern Sea Route.

Recall that the newest Russian airborne complex "Dagger" includes the MiG-31K interceptor fighter, specially upgraded as a carrier of a hypersonic missile, which is an aviation version of the Iskander-M OTRK missile. In 2019, the complex was successfully tested in arctic conditions, hitting a ground target at the Pemboy training ground northeast of Vorkuta.
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  1. Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 15 December 2020 11: 33
    +24
    The MiG-31 is just a super fighter platform, and now also an attack platform. Glory to Soviet aircraft builders!
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 15 December 2020 11: 38
      +2
      Most likely, the MiG-31 high-altitude interceptors, which are in service with the 98th mixed air regiment, located in Monchegorsk on the Kola Peninsula, will be used as the carrier of the "Daggers".
      So it’s nothing if at patrol speed, even without PTB, it’s normal
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 15 December 2020 11: 40
        +4
        It is assumed that with the introduction of the Kinzhal complexes into service, Russia will completely close the Arctic, as well as the Northern Sea Route.

        The entire NSR (5600 km) - only if the radius of destruction (carrier + missile) is much larger than the stated
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 15 December 2020 11: 42
          +1
          Yes, this is only the first regiment, we need to take a closer look at what we have with the airfields on the coast. They used to be, now they will restore. It will also work well with overlap. I only outlined the radius of the MiG-31 on average.
          1. Thrall
            Thrall 15 December 2020 11: 44
            +7
            Quote: NDR-791
            I only outlined the radius of the MiG-31 on average

            This is how the SMP begins at the end of its range.
            Well, Kamchatka MiG-31K will also cover the eastern part of the NSR.
            1. NDR-791
              NDR-791 15 December 2020 11: 47
              +1
              There is even further north, almost on the coast. I don't know in what state now, maybe they are already being restored, or maybe everything is fine there - the playful hands of the scrap metal workers do not reach there wassat
              1. _Sergei_
                _Sergei_ 15 December 2020 13: 11
                +3
                There used to be a military airfield near Norilsk in Alykel
                1. NDR-791
                  NDR-791 15 December 2020 13: 16
                  +3
                  Yes, I just thought about him. It is more or less in the middle for uniformity. I just forgot the name.
                  1. Leon68
                    Leon68 15 December 2020 17: 08
                    +2
                    Warriors use Tiksi more, because he's on the coast. And Norilsk (Alykel) is far from the sea - more than 500 miles.
                2. GTYCBJYTH2021
                  GTYCBJYTH2021 15 December 2020 15: 34
                  +2
                  Quote: _Sergey_
                  There used to be a military airfield near Norilsk in Alykel

                  Alykel is good only in summer, there is no snow ... And so it sweeps up, the military was tired to clean it ... There is a base near Krasnoyarsk, an airfield ... an arsenal ...
                  1. The comment was deleted.
                3. Leon68
                  Leon68 15 December 2020 17: 06
                  +4
                  He has never been a military man. Nezhdanka - he was a military man. And Alykel was and is a co-based airfield, like the bulk of airfields in the North and the Far East.
                4. akarfoxhound
                  akarfoxhound 16 December 2020 21: 30
                  0
                  And in Naryan-Mar (they were on duty without getting out), and in Amderma, and in Kilp-Yavre near Murmansk, and Kem (Poduzheme), and in Afrikanda, and in Arkhangelsk (Talagi), and in Rogachevo (Novaya Zemlya), and the ice airfield of the Grembel jump, and at the airfield on Cape Schmidt the airfield of long-range fighters from the Chukotka Coal Mines "fought" and the Coal Mines of Anadyr themselves - all in the same, oh! optimized, health to them, goats, oh! professionals of democracy without stumbling!
            2. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 15 December 2020 12: 06
              +2
              The next basing point of Amderma may be, before they were there along the entire coast, if there is still something left there. hi
          2. Leon68
            Leon68 15 December 2020 12: 21
            +5
            Tiksi and Anadyr, in addition to Monchegorsk and Elizovo, cover the entire northern coast (and even eastern) of Russia. All these airfields are suitable for the operation of the MiG-31.
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 15 December 2020 12: 33
              +3
              Quote: Leon68
              Tiksi and Anadyr in addition

              this was already announced a month ago, and I am extremely happy about the revival of Tiksi !!!
              1. Leon68
                Leon68 15 December 2020 12: 59
                +2
                So Tiksi did not bend. It has always been and will be for the military, a "jump" airfield for long-range aviation.
                1. Tiksi-3
                  Tiksi-3 16 December 2020 20: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: Leon68
                  So Tiksi did not bend.

                  and you tell me that ?? ..... Tiksi -3 specifically bent !!!
            2. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 15 December 2020 12: 53
              +1
              Like the strip was on the ZPI and Novaya Zemlya, maybe they are telling us correctly, block the entrance and exit to the NSR with a margin, but strangers do not go along the NSR, fighters are needed there and air defense from cruise missiles. I do not think that Virginia and Elk will substitute for the Dagger.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 15 December 2020 15: 00
                +2
                Quote: tralflot1832
                Like the bands were on FFI and Novaya Zemlya

                Airfield Amderma-2, aka Rogachevo. They began to restore it even with a furniture maker - under the MiG-31.
                1. Souchastnik
                  Souchastnik 16 December 2020 19: 19
                  -1
                  When the furniture makers ruined everything. They wanted to leave about a dozen airfields.
                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 19 December 2020 16: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: Souchastnik
                    When the furniture makers ruined everything. They wanted to leave about a dozen airfields.

                    And there was something to ruin? Remember why 22 GIAP in the Far East received such a strange composition of squadrons - fighters, fighter-bombers and heavy interceptors (in one regiment (!))? Yes, because everything that could really rise into the air was collected in it.
                    The furniture maker only revealed what they tried not to talk about before: most of the RF Air Force until 2008 existed only on paper. According to all documents - a regiment, and in the air a squadron can take off at best. Moreover, the Air Force knew about this situation, but did nothing in terms of "living within our means". So there were paper shelves on paper airfields, devouring the budget as full-fledged, but having near-zero combat readiness.
                    1. Souchastnik
                      Souchastnik 19 December 2020 18: 04
                      0
                      I served in real. And not one by one was lifted into the air. 8-12 cars were pulled out for each shift. But it's not that . You cannot keep all aviation at 8 airfields. There should be spare, jump airfields. This is flight safety. It is not necessary to wave the sword of the mind much.
            3. GTYCBJYTH2021
              GTYCBJYTH2021 15 December 2020 15: 38
              +1
              Quote: Leon68
              Tiksi and Anadyr, in addition to Monchegorsk and Elizovo, cover the entire northern coast (and even eastern) of Russia. All these airfields are suitable for the operation of the MiG-31.

              Yelizovo is one airfield ... there are both military and civilians ... Close, very close to the Americans .......
            4. akarfoxhound
              akarfoxhound 16 December 2020 21: 44
              0
              Elizovo and Dzemgi are only on duty together in the Coal Mines (Dz-El 1360 km and El-UgK another 1500 km), from them, from Ug.Kopey to the north, too, you cannot get "fast", if only the airfield of the KDA jump to Schmidt is restored, even 500 km with a course of 360. There has been no talk about the plans of fighters on duty on Tiksi, the democratizer Tolik has "killed" the airfield, now they are restoring it. And what a gorgeous landing system there was! She led great! They plundered everything and after a couple of years got the IL-18 disaster! At the point now the officer of the "citizens" in the tower sits, of all the remaining equipment, one communication nipple, that's it!
              And they say - tundra, there is no forest, there is nothing to saw ... but loot ?! To disperse and restore - here is an unhandy jigsaw, here without Friendship - no way!
          3. ancient
            ancient 15 December 2020 13: 20
            +8
            Quote: NDR-791
            we need to look more precisely what we have with airfields on the coast

            The former 10th separate air defense army will help you (4,5 and 23 air defense hell -9 iap.) wink
            57th giap, Alykel:
            1. Leon68
              Leon68 15 December 2020 16: 59
              +5
              I've been here for 25 years. MiGs were transferred to Kansk. The strip was shortened after reconstruction. Now counting on the Su-35. A photo of 1992-94?
          4. kit88
            kit88 15 December 2020 15: 11
            +8
            Here they are all.
            Red - active military
            Gray - inactive
            maps.aopa.ru/#lon/84.904714/lat/69.374859/z/3/ll/a
            1. Leon68
              Leon68 15 December 2020 17: 03
              +5
              On the island Sredniy military airfield is still alive. There is no longer any nifig left on Bolshevik Island and Chelyuskin Peninsula. I was the last one to roll a strip on Chelyuskin under An-26, 72 and 12. And that was before the denomination.
        2. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 15 December 2020 11: 46
          +4
          Quote: Thrall

          The entire NSR (5600 km) only if the radius of the Dagger is much greater than 2000 km

          So there will also be a base in Kamchatka. And, perhaps, somewhere else along the way. Nice move. Perhaps, even on Tu 22 they will attach "Daggers", where to meddle ...
          1. Thrall
            Thrall 15 December 2020 11: 47
            +4
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            "Daggers" will be added to Tu 22

            Then + 1000 km to the radius
            1. ancient
              ancient 15 December 2020 19: 55
              0
              Quote: Thrall
              Then + 1000 km to the radius

              Again "old song" ... " fellow -kalok "... there is and will never be." Daggers "on the Tu-22M3M.
              And the 1000 km AUG launch line "perfectly" fits into the line of countering carrier-based aircraft.
          2. Bez 310
            Bez 310 15 December 2020 11: 55
            -10%
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            where to meddle ...

            Who is there going to "meddle" with you? Who should
            give an answer to this "Dagger"?
            Could you clarify, otherwise I'm at a loss ...
          3. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 15 December 2020 12: 18
            +3
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Quote: Thrall

            The entire NSR (5600 km) only if the radius of the Dagger is much greater than 2000 km

            So there will also be a base in Kamchatka. And, perhaps, somewhere else along the way. Nice move. Perhaps, even on Tu 22 they will attach "Daggers", where to meddle ...

            But our "dear partners" are trying to master the approach to our North on submarines. Then how? Tu was once written about Russian maritime systems similar to the American SOSUS ...
            1. frog
              frog 16 December 2020 10: 19
              0
              Oh, they wrote ... And in other places, as they wrote ... They are already taking envy .... Only in the last few years, there is no ........... And, according to the hands, most likely, not will be. At least in the form in which they wanted. And they will write more than once.
          4. GTYCBJYTH2021
            GTYCBJYTH2021 15 December 2020 15: 42
            -3
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            Quote: Thrall

            The entire NSR (5600 km) only if the radius of the Dagger is much greater than 2000 km

            So there will also be a base in Kamchatka. And, perhaps, somewhere else along the way. Nice move. Perhaps, even on Tu 22 they will attach "Daggers", where to meddle ...

            And where in Kamchatka the new base will be, if it's not a secret, tell me ... There are mountains, hills ... There are no free places even ...
        3. Vladimir61
          Vladimir61 15 December 2020 12: 18
          +5
          Quote: Thrall
          The entire NSR (5600 km) - only if the radius of destruction (carrier + missile) is much larger than the stated
          So Arctic is not Atlantic and Quiet. This is a "pipe of clean water" along the northern coast of Russia, which can be blocked from at least one, at least on both sides. And this task will be quite within the power of the Kola and Kamchatka regiments.
          1. GTYCBJYTH2021
            GTYCBJYTH2021 15 December 2020 15: 48
            -5
            Quote: Vladimir61
            Quote: Thrall
            The entire NSR (5600 km) - only if the radius of destruction (carrier + missile) is much larger than the stated
            So Arctic is not Atlantic and Quiet. This is a "pipe of clean water" along the northern coast of Russia, which can be blocked from at least one, at least on both sides. And this task will be quite within the power of the Kola and Kamchatka regiments.

            You have a pipe of clean water in .... in the kitchen .... The SMP FREEZES and freezes very much, unlike the Pacific Ocean, it was not in the Atlantic ..... Why then do nuclear icebreakers make? And to live-serve in the NORTH is not in Muscovy and not in Russian Europe ... hi
            1. Vladimir61
              Vladimir61 15 December 2020 17: 29
              0
              Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
              SMP FREEZES

              Otherwise we, in Muscovy, do not know this! I am glad that some from Dill cannot live without the sites of Muscovy. It can be seen in Ukraine very tight with interesting sites!
      2. ancient
        ancient 15 December 2020 13: 02
        +8
        Quote: NDR-791
        So it’s nothing if at patrol speed, even without PTB, it’s normal

        Well, first of all, they do not fly with PTB.
        Second ... what does the term "patrol speed" mean? request ..maybe a "cruise" flight mode?
        Thirdly, I understand that this yellow circle you have means a tactical radius of action in M ​​mode 0,85 ... so be it ... but ... the conditions for the combat use of the "Dagger" complex is a climb in the area 18 thousand meters and speed in the area M = 2?
        On "what" you then "home" ... wake up to get? wassat
        If you want to draw correctly and competently ... then take the value of the tactical radius of interception at a speed of more than or equal to 2M and add 1550-2000 km of the missile's flight range to it.
        Then you will have the correct REACH radius of the "Dagger" complex, and then ...... the "circle" will be only when the "territory of a potential enemy" is ...... "desert area" ... .. but for now .... be so kind as to go into the dispersal zone (which will be in the area inaccessible to the forces of Finland and Norway) and from there draw a radius. wink
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 15 December 2020 13: 42
        -3
        Quote: NDR-791
        So it’s nothing if at patrol speed, even without PTB, it’s normal

        Have you taken into account the range of the "Daggers"? This is + 3000 km to the aircraft's range
      4. alexmach
        alexmach 15 December 2020 15: 54
        0
        That's just why it is not clear why from the interceptors that are still relevant in the conditions of the Arktytka to make dagger carriers. It seems that they only use machines that are not suitable for upgrading to the MiG-31BM.
    2. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 15 December 2020 11: 41
      +3
      Quote: Sibiryak 66
      The MiG-31 is just a super fighter platform, and now also an attack platform.

      Yes, but only the wording of the title of the article is fundamentally incorrect, since the MiG-31 in the shock version with the "Dagger" will be a parity response to the threat to US strategic forces from the Arctic and the Russian "nuclear baton" for overly hot guys at the Pentagon.

      Impact force - yes, but cover from missile attacks from the Arctic, air defense forces and interceptor missiles are carried out ...
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 15 December 2020 11: 50
        +5
        Russian Arctic will be covered by MiG-31 with hypersonic "Daggers"
        The dagger is good for the one who has it, and bad for the one who does not have it at the right time.
        "White Sun of the Desert"
        1. Avior
          Avior 15 December 2020 12: 16
          -3

          smile
          I would like to know who to apply it there only ...
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 15 December 2020 13: 49
        -1
        Quote: BDRM 667
        the wording of the title of the article is fundamentally wrong

        The title of the article does not say that this is a cover against missile attacks. The Yankes are already trying to get into the Arctic with aircraft carriers.
  2. Bez 310
    Bez 310 15 December 2020 11: 42
    -17%
    "Russia will completely close the Arctic, as well as the Northern Sea Route."
    "... the complex was successfully tested in arctic conditions,
    hitting a ground target at the Pemboy range ... "

    Who is attacking us there, from the side of the Arctic ice?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 15 December 2020 13: 54
      +1
      Quote: Bez 310
      Who is attacking us there, from the side of the Arctic ice?

      There are inclinations
      WASHINGTON, October 19. / TASS /. A US Navy carrier strike group led by nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Harry S. Truman entered the Arctic Circle on Friday ahead of NATO's Trident Juncture 2018 exercise. As noted in a statement from the US Navy, an American aircraft carrier entered the Arctic for the first time in 30 years.

      The presence of the United States should be increased in the Arctic. This opinion was expressed by the US Secretary of the Navy Richard Spencer. USA
      1. Bez 310
        Bez 310 15 December 2020 13: 59
        +1
        Quote: Piramidon
        There are inclinations. US Navy Aircraft Carrier Strike Group led by nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Harry S. Truman

        "Dagger" does not work on moving surface targets ...
        All practical applications of the "Dagger" are on the ground.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 15 December 2020 14: 11
          +1
          Quote: Bez 310
          "Dagger" does not work on moving surface targets ...
          All practical applications of the "Dagger" are on the ground.

          In all available descriptions, "Dagger" is positioned as a missile to destroy ground and surface targets.
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 15 December 2020 14: 18
            +3
            Quote: Piramidon
            ... "Dagger" is positioned as a missile to destroy ground and surface targets.

            Yes, let it be "positioned" ...
            The question of control center, guidance is not clear to me, and it is not visible
            solemn reports on the work on sea targets.
            And you can "position", judging by the enthusiastic
            comment by amateurs, many also think that this
            the rocket can work on ships. Well, they want it so much
            so they believe any "positioning".
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 15 December 2020 14: 59
              0
              Quote: Bez 310
              The question of control center, guidance is not clear to me, and it is not visible
              solemn reports on the work on sea targets.

              Well, you cannot, sitting at a computer, know everything about the performance characteristics of a secret weapon. Nobody will tell you this.
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 15 December 2020 15: 36
                +3
                Quote: Piramidon
                Nobody will tell you this.

                Well, yes, yes ...
                Yes, we have about the tiniest planned
                "accomplishments" for a week in all the media are shouting, and
                something about the defeat of "Dagger" at least one
                sea ​​targets - are silent. Probably the most-most
                secret secret, not otherwise.
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 15 December 2020 16: 08
                  +3
                  Well, recently, in fact, it was reported that Iskander had hit a naval target ... but which, how and with which missile is not clear. And so yes - about what they may have stated for a long time. How true is a good question.
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        2. Genry
          Genry 15 December 2020 14: 24
          -4
          Quote: Bez 310
          "Dagger" does not work on moving surface targets ...

          For lying, you need a second eye ... angry
          1. Bez 310
            Bez 310 15 December 2020 14: 26
            +2
            Quote: Genry
            lies,

            Argument.
            1. Genry
              Genry 15 December 2020 14: 27
              -3
              Wiki:
              Hypersonic missiles 9-С-7760 [4] of the complex are capable of striking both stationary objects and surface ships: aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers and frigates [5]
              1. Bez 310
                Bez 310 15 December 2020 15: 33
                +4
                Quote: Genry
                Wiki

                So this is the most iron argument, this is
                that same famous "Vicki" ...
                1. Genry
                  Genry 15 December 2020 17: 54
                  -4
                  Quote: Bez 310

                  So this is the most iron argument, this is
                  that same famous "Vicki" ...

                  Contact the Russian Ministry of Defense - after all, the Internet is a complete dump.
                  1. Lex_is
                    Lex_is 15 December 2020 17: 59
                    +2
                    You called a person a liar, and you got shit when asked to give arguments, now you are sending him to the Russian Ministry of Defense.

                    So who's the liar?
                    Maybe you, since you cannot confirm your words?
                2. bayard
                  bayard 15 December 2020 21: 17
                  0
                  Confirmed data on the defeat of the "Kindal" mobile naval target has not yet been, but it is known that the GOS to give anti-ship capabilities, created and is being tested. I think the anti-ship version of the Dagger will be the second stage. In the meantime, "Dagger" is a highly effective aeroballistic hypersonic missile for engaging targets with predetermined coordinates. And in this she is good.
                  And the fact that a ballistic missile may well hit sea targets has been proven by the Chinese and similar experiments in the USSR.
              2. Lex_is
                Lex_is 15 December 2020 17: 41
                +2
                Did you not bother to read the article from which this information got to Wiki?

                In particular, aircraft carriers and ships of the cruiser, destroyer, and frigate class are POTENTIAL targets for this weapon.
                1. Genry
                  Genry 15 December 2020 17: 47
                  -3
                  Quote: Lex_is
                  cruiser, destroyer, frigate - POTENTIAL targets for this weapon.

                  Where did you see this word in the description of the rocket ???
                  "Dagger" after "Onyx" and "Zircon" - should be taken seriously.
                  1. Lex_is
                    Lex_is 15 December 2020 17: 54
                    +1
                    Where did you see this word in the description of the rocket ???
                    "Dagger" after "Onyx" and "Zircon" - should be taken seriously.


                    This is a quote from an article in "Krasnaya Zvezda" "In a clip -" Sarmat "," Dagger "," Vanguard "..." which Vicki refers to as a source of information under a footnote [5].
                    and surface ships: aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers and frigates [5]


                    Here is completely the only place in the article where ships are mentioned:

                    Here we have come a long way; since December last year, the first products were put into trial operation, they are already on duty. So this is far from fantastic. Moreover, this is a class of high-precision weapons, which has a multifunctional warhead that allows you to work both on stationary and moving targets. In particular, aircraft carriers and ships of the class cruiser, destroyer, frigate are potential targets for this weapon.

                    Keywords: ALLOWING, POTENTIAL
                    Will there be other sources of information?
                    Or can you just minus, having obscenely, an expert on Wikipedia?
                    1. Genry
                      Genry 15 December 2020 18: 11
                      -3
                      Quote: Lex_is
                      Keywords: ALLOWING, POTENTIAL

                      "Permissive" is already a fact.
                      "Potential" is not a fact, but there are no drawbacks for application.

                      There is official presentation with animation.
                      And don't whine about your minuses - have pride and dignity.
                      1. Lex_is
                        Lex_is 15 December 2020 18: 13
                        +1
                        "Permissive" is already a fact.
                        "Potential" is not a fact, but there are no drawbacks for application.


                        What are you talking about, sick one?
                        Was there at least one test on surface targets?

                        have pride and dignity.


                        This is what a hysterical balobol says to me, who does not know how to answer for his words?
                        Very funny. laughing
                      2. Genry
                        Genry 15 December 2020 18: 35
                        -3
                        Quote: Lex_is
                        What are you talking about, sick one?

                        Judge by yourself? Or have you had a Covid complication?
                        Quote: Lex_is
                        Was there at least one test on surface targets?

                        Already, even, exercises took place on the Black Sea.
                      3. Lex_is
                        Lex_is 15 December 2020 18: 55
                        +1
                        I understand that the limit of the information you perceive is "Carbon monoxide", but you can't even grasp YouTube videos.
                        Where is the surface target?
                        The aviation part of the exercise was presented, in particular, by a pair of MiG-31K fighters, which performed live firing with a Dagger missile at a TARGET AT ONE OF THE REFERENCES.
                        laughing laughing laughing
              3. Lex_is
                Lex_is 15 December 2020 18: 06
                +1
                Clear.
                We cannot answer for the words.
                Of the arguments, only cons.
                Worthy, what can I say there.

                For the gifted, the article we are discussing does not say a word about ships.
                It is said, literally:
                It is designed to destroy critical enemy targets, including military infrastructure, as well as government control units.
                1. Genry
                  Genry 15 December 2020 18: 38
                  -3
                  Quote: Lex_is
                  in the article that we are discussing, there is no word about the ships.

                  Scribes on VO are different and write like them "kaazza".
                  1. Lex_is
                    Lex_is 15 December 2020 19: 01
                    +1
                    those. Don't you respect the hacks from the Defense Ministry magazine Voennaya Mysl? laughing
      2. Lex_is
        Lex_is 15 December 2020 15: 50
        0
        Do you have other information?
        Can you refer to the tests of the "Dagger" for surface targets?
        When did they take place?
  • mark1
    mark1 15 December 2020 11: 48
    +6
    The intrigue is which fleet has been upgraded to the MiG-31K, which is already in the army or 100 units remaining in storage (this option, in my opinion, would be preferable, it is very great to convert them into shock and anti-satellite versions)
    1. moreman78
      moreman78 15 December 2020 12: 33
      +5
      Quote: mark1
      The intrigue is which fleet has been upgraded to the MiG-31K, which is already in the army or 100 units remaining in storage (this option, in my opinion, would be preferable, it is very great to convert them into shock and anti-satellite versions)

      It seems that combatant interceptors are being modernized. A dagger is certainly great, but the Arctic cannot be left without air cover. Was in the 98th mixed air regiment 1 squadron of interceptors MiG-31, and now it will be converted into carriers of Daggers?
      1. mark1
        mark1 15 December 2020 12: 38
        +2
        It's all about either or. In modification "K", they say, there is no radar (at least in the form in which the interceptor needs it)
  • Charik
    Charik 15 December 2020 12: 05
    0
    The dagger can hit the ships?
    1. mark1
      mark1 15 December 2020 12: 14
      +2
      Of course it can! The main thing is to get there.
      1. Charik
        Charik 15 December 2020 12: 18
        +1
        Dagger seeker allows you to target ships or radar radiation?
        1. mark1
          mark1 15 December 2020 12: 22
          +3
          Tell you the truth, or what do I think?
        2. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 15 December 2020 12: 27
          +3
          Quote: Charik
          Dagger seeker allows you to target ships or radar radiation?

          But who can tell you ... Weapons are many times more dangerous when they are used unexpectedly. As then Caliber from the Caspian Sea. Suddenly they flew to Syria, and just a little on the barmaley ... It was a shock ... Taking into account the small size of our MRK (and the Buyan rainfall) and the launch from river and lake waters ... All NATO headquarters immediately grabbed the compasses ... Who said that the "Dagger" cannot work on a sea target? Does hypersound interfere? Does it bother Zircon?
          1. Charik
            Charik 15 December 2020 12: 32
            0
            I wonder why he is there on airplanes, if not to hit the ships, but to ground targets it is possible from ground launchers, in my opinion it is more practical.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 15 December 2020 12: 24
    +2
    Iskander himself crushed the author of the article with a sledgehammer that the Dagger came out of him? ?? Not tired of carrying nonsense? These are completely different rockets, the Caliber is similar, I agree, but all the rockets are oddly similar to one another, because the laws of physics and aerodynamics have not yet been circumvented by anyone in the world!
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 December 2020 12: 35
    +5
    And MiGs will be enough, as far as I know they don't make new ones? And it is necessary to cover oh what a huge expanse. This is still Russia, not Luxembourg.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 15 December 2020 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      And MiGs will be enough, as far as I know they don't make new ones?

      So how much more in storage? And the Tu 22 will be "screwed" more. There you can even have a pair ... laughing
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 December 2020 18: 11
      0
      Let 400ki cover and soon 500ki will come.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 15 December 2020 12: 45
    +1
    The dagger in the Arctic is only dangerous for military bases in Norway.
    This BR is an air-launched Iskander.
    For accurate destruction of stationary targets. The launch from the MiG-31 expands (in total: the range of the aircraft + the radius of the missile itself) the area of ​​its application.
    1. kventinasd
      kventinasd 15 December 2020 12: 56
      -6
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The dagger in the Arctic is only dangerous for military bases in Norway.

      Come on. If we use a special warhead, then all NATO submarines will surface in the Arctic, like stained herring.
      This BR is an air-launched Iskander.

      Iskanders do not fly on hypersound, they can still be tracked somehow.
      The dagger will fly so that you won't have time to wake up.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 15 December 2020 13: 17
        +4
        Iskander flew hypersound from the very moment of his birth.
        This is his whole strength.
        The enemy has very little time to react.
        If it falls on the target, in any case (wherever it was launched)
        decelerated to supersonic.
        Otherwise, the optical seeker for correction will not work to increase accuracy.
        But knocking him down is still very difficult.
        1. kventinasd
          kventinasd 15 December 2020 13: 37
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Iskander flew hypersound from the very moment of his birth.
          This is his whole strength.

          The Dagger rocket (9-C-7760) has a speed of 10-12 strokes, the Iskander rocket (9M723) has 6 strokes. Although these 6 swings are enough for almost all NATO missile defense systems to overcome them with a probability of 80%. The flight altitudes of these missiles are also very different. 9M723 flies at altitudes of about 100 km, while the Dagger flies most of the trajectory at 20 km.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 15 December 2020 13: 49
            +4
            "The Dagger has a speed of 10-12 swings," ///
            ----
            This is the combined speed of the aircraft and the rocket.
            Moreover, it is greatly overpriced.
            If the MiG-31 explosive missiles can fly "light" 2.5-3 MAX,
            then with a heavy BR Iskander under the belly, it will not reach even 1.5 MAX.
            The total will be: 1.5 MAX aircraft + 7 MAX missiles = 8.5 MAX.
            A dagger is a useful thing, but one should not exaggerate its capabilities.
            And, of course, it will be much more useful in the western direction,
            and not in the Arctic, where there are no goals for it.
            1. kventinasd
              kventinasd 15 December 2020 13: 58
              +1
              Quote: voyaka uh
              This is the combined speed of the aircraft and the rocket.

              What, what? What is the total speed? At the moment of launching the rocket, the MiG 31K reaches a speed of 2mach. Even taking this into account, the remaining 10 Dagger swings are definitely more than 6 Iskander ones. These are completely different missiles, both in equipment and in purpose, although the basis is taken from the Iskander design.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 15 December 2020 14: 53
                -1
                "These are completely different missiles," ////
                ----
                But in exactly the same case? laughing
                1. kventinasd
                  kventinasd 15 December 2020 15: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  But in exactly the same case?

                  Similar does not mean the same thing!
  • Old26
    Old26 15 December 2020 16: 29
    +5
    Quote: Piramidon
    Have you taken into account the range of the "Daggers"? This is + 3000 km to the aircraft's range

    I'm afraid, Stepan, that you should "cut the sturgeon." Speaking about the "Dagger" in 2018, they talked about a range of 2000 km for the MIG-31 + "Dagger" complex. The combat radius of the MiG-31 in such conditions is usually taken on the order of 700-720 km, plus the range of the missile itself of 1300 km.
    So, I'm afraid I should add 1300-1500 km to the radius, no more

    Quote: Bez 310
    "Russia will completely close the Arctic, as well as the Northern Sea Route."
    "... the complex was successfully tested in arctic conditions,
    hitting a ground target at the Pemboy range ... "

    Who is attacking us there, from the side of the Arctic ice?

    You wrote the same phrase a second time, but the respondents STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND HER... And the question is certainly interesting.
    Comrades, I, too, cannot understand this title itself and the article too. And as a comrade Bez 310 I can repeat the question: Who is attacking us there, from the side of the Arctic ice?
    Anticipating a lot of minuses, I will decipher the question. I support the placement of the "Dagger" complex in the same Monchegorsk 100%. The complex will "block" the zone between Iceland and Scandinavia. Not 100%, but tight enough.
    I also support the placement of the Kinzhal complex in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, or at least in Anadyr. The complex will "block" the zone between Chukotka and Alaska and that region in general. Everything is clear here and I agree 100%.
    But the question of comrade Bez 310 Who is attacking us there, from the side of the Arctic ice? has no answer in the article and even more so in the title.
    For the especially dull, I will decipher WHAT SURFACE BATTLE SHIP WILL ATTACK US FROM THE ARCTIC ICE ????? HOW HE WILL GO THEREwhen the SMP will be "plugged" by a couple of regiments from the east and west. In the Arctic itself6 (Norilsk, Tiksi, etc.) it makes sense to place INTERCEPTORS MiG-31And not CARRIERS OF "DAGGERS"

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    It was a shock ...

    It was a shock for those who read only materials that are "pleasant" to them, and not critical .. But 2 years before this, the commander of the Caspian Flotilla announced the real ranges

    Quote: kventinasd
    Come on. If we use a special warhead, then all NATO submarines will surface in the Arctic, like stained herring

    And ours, ours will emerge like stained herring ?? And then like that, so immediately "vigorous loaf." Without even thinking, how will they answer us ???

    Quote: kventinasd
    Iskanders do not fly on hypersound, they can still be tracked somehow.
    The dagger will fly so that you won't have time to wake up.

    That is, a speed of 2,1 km / s or 6,2-6,4M is not a hypersonic speed in your parallel universe ??? And what, let me know?

    Quote: kventinasd
    The Dagger rocket (9-C-7760) has a speed of Mach 10-12

    And there is something to confirm? Taking into account the launch from a supersonic carrier at a speed of almost 2M "Dagger" developed a speed of about 9M. Where from 10-12 ???

    Quote: kventinasd
    The flight altitudes of these missiles are also very different. The 9M723 flies at altitudes of about 100 km, while the Dagger flies for most of the trajectory at 20 km.

    Iskander's flight altitude is about 40-50 km, since it has a quasi-ballistic trajectory. The dagger LAUNCHES from a height of about 20 km. After that, its flight begins along a ballistic trajectory (apogee is about 100-130 km) ...

    Quote: kventinasd
    What, what? What is the total speed? At the moment of launching the rocket, the MiG 31K reaches a speed of 2mach. Even taking this into account, the remaining 10 Dagger swings are definitely more than 6 Iskander ones. These are completely different missiles, both in equipment and in purpose, although the basis is taken from the Iskander design.

    What is the total? Have you ever asked yourself the question that the system can be regarded as a "two-stage system" and that Tsiolkovsky's formulas can be used to solve this problem? And 10-12M is just your assumptions, which you cannot confirm
    1. Bez 310
      Bez 310 15 December 2020 16: 47
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      those in charge DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT.

      And you, comrade Old26, also misunderstood my question.
      So I will clarify so that all the "comrades" will understand.
      "Dagger" does not work on ships, so the question is asked
      completely overland, that is, absolutely ice-cold.
  • Old26
    Old26 15 December 2020 16: 59
    +8
    Quote: Piramidon
    In all available descriptions, "Dagger" is positioned as a missile to destroy ground and surface targets.

    But the maximum that was reported in 2019 by EMNIP was that he worked on the landfill at a fixed target at a distance of 804 km. After that - silence

    Quote: kventinasd
    Quote: voyaka uh
    But in exactly the same case?

    Similar does not mean the same thing!

    First, you need to bring them to the same "denominator". In addition, nothing else was simply created by KBM. Of course, there are some differences, but in fact the "Dagger" is an airborne "Iskander" with a slightly modified SU

    Quote: Bez 310
    Quote: Old26
    those in charge DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT.

    And you, comrade Old26, also misunderstood my question.
    So I will clarify so that all the "comrades" will understand.
    "Dagger" does not work on ships, so the question is asked
    completely overland, that is, absolutely ice-cold.

    This is exactly what I understand (it works for stationary targets). Although the emphasis was also placed on the fact that the targets - surface ships (okay, let's assume that the "Dagger" was suddenly taught to attack moving targets) there is simply nowhere to come from
  • fa2998
    fa2998 15 December 2020 21: 11
    +1
    Quote: Thrall
    Well, Kamchatka MiG-31K will also cover the eastern part of the NSR.

    I thought "Dagger" only for stationary targets, or is it already an anti-ship missile?
  • Georg21
    Georg21 16 December 2020 00: 29
    +1
    Where are they going to place them, if there is only one operating airfield on Kola, Severomorsk-3, but there are decks. Monchegorsk has long been incapacitated. Olenegorsk and Severomorsk are swept aside, there are bombers and anti-submarine warriors. The rest have long been abandoned and ruined, it is easier to build a new one than to restore. Of those 31st that were in Moncha, it seems that there is nothing alive, because for a long time nothing has flown. They will put a link on duty and report back, as always.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 16 December 2020 19: 05
    +1
    Made a bomber out of a high-altitude interceptor.