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Cold weapons of the Soviet-Finnish and the Great Patriotic War: three demanded samples

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Cold weapons of the Soviet-Finnish and the Great Patriotic War: three demanded samples

In World War II, ground forces actively used small arms weapon, artillery, aviation, armored vehicles. But often, when soldiers of enemy armies faced each other face to face, edged weapons and, first of all, army knives became the most effective means. Melee in WWII were not uncommon.


Probably, the experience of the Winter War of 1939-1940, when the Soviet Union entered into an armed conflict with Finland, became the main impetus for the Red Army, which made its leadership think about creating standard edged weapons for their soldiers.

Remembering the edged weapons of the Great Patriotic War, it is worth mentioning the three most demanded samples. Moreover, each subsequent one was created on the basis of the previous one.

Puukko - the famous "finca"


In the Winter War, the Red Army learned several important lessons that helped to better prepare it for another war - with Nazi Germany. Some of them concerned the effectiveness of certain types of weapons, which the USSR had not previously taken seriously. It is believed that these are submachine guns and army knives.

Actually, the use of these two types of weapons is interconnected. If you use a short-barreled automatic weapon, then the bayonet will, most often, no longer fit. Therefore, the submachine gunners most often were armed with army knives. In the Karelian forests, where the Finns often acted in partisan methods, it was difficult for the Red Army soldiers armed with rifles with bayonets to resist in close combat the Finnish soldiers armed with comfortable puukko knives.


But this weapon was especially effective in the hands of the scouts and soldiers of the special forces of the country of Suomi. Here, its main advantages were noiselessness and compactness.

And although the soldiers of the Red Army did not possess such weapons, the Soviet people had known Finnish knives for a long time and well, since pre-revolutionary times, when Finland was part of the Russian Empire. The Russians also learned about these knives from the Finns, and even set up their production. The most popular were "Finns" among criminals, as well as those part of the professional revolutionaries who were engaged in "expropriation" to replenish the party treasury.

In the USSR, in 1935, a ban was imposed on the possession of Finnish knives for the civilian population, but they made them part of the outfit of police officers. Since then, this type of cold weapon is sometimes called “NKVD knives”.

And after the Winter War, it was decided to start supplying automatic weapons to the army and to establish the production of a regular army knife on the basis of the "finca" that has long been familiar to our people.

And by 1941, when Finland again became an ally of Hitler's Germany, the Red Army was already armed with an army knife, which was in no way inferior to Puukko, and in some respects even surpassed it.

Scout knife and more


This edged weapon, which entered service with the Red Army, which many, out of habit, continued to call "finka", is most often called the "scout's knife" HP-40, and this name is found even in official literature. Sometimes it is also called the "submachine gunner's knife", since it was the submachine gunners of the Soviet Armed Forces who were the first to adopt this weapon. It also went to other units, being considered a regular knife of the Red Army. Officially, it was called that - NA-40, that is, "army knife of 1940".


But although this edged weapon was produced in large quantities, it was not enough for all. True, the soldiers of reconnaissance, sabotage and other special units were all armed with NA-40. This is understandable, because often a knife for a scout is the most suitable and effective weapon, and in certain situations - the only possible one. This is probably why the second, more frequently used name of this utility knife - NR-40, or "scout's knife", stuck.

The main difference between the HP-40 and the classic "finca" is the presence of an S-shaped guard, which has a non-standard reverse bend. This form made it more convenient to deliver the most common attacks to the enemy. The knife, made of U7 carbon steel, had a blade 152 mm long and 22 mm wide. Its weight is 150 grams. The wooden scabbard and camouflage handle were painted black. Soviet enterprises produced knives according to this standard, but the products of small repair shops could differ from the classic model.

An important advantage of the HP-40 was the possibility of its use not only for knife fighting, but also for household purposes. For example, it could be used to cut wires or open cans. In particular, the SS and SA daggers used by the Germans since the beginning of the war were not suitable for domestic purposes, which is why the German army subsequently ordered army knives from the Solingen company, modeled on ordinary kitchen knives.

The HP-40 knife served in the Red Army since 1940, and after the war it began to be used in some countries of the Warsaw Pact. It was removed from service only in the 60s.

From "scout's knife" to "Cherry"


Created on the basis of the HP-40 by 1943, the HP-43 "Cherry" knife differs little from its predecessor, but it served much longer. Some Russian special forces still use these weapons. Actually, "Vishnya" did not get into the combined-arms units, they were armed exclusively with special-purpose units of the security agencies.


HP-43, unlike HP-40, has a straight guard and a slightly longer blade length (158 mm). For this knife, the wooden scabbard was replaced with leather. The handle began to be made not of wood, but of shock-resistant plastic. It got its name because of the stamp on it in the form of the letter "r", shaped like a cherry berry.

Army knives HP-43 model 1943 are still used for their intended purpose. And although their predecessor, the HP-40, was discontinued in the 60s, it remains popular among collectors and simply lovers of cold steel even today. In addition, modern manufacturers use the look or name of the famous "scout knife" as a commercial success.
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  1. Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 30 November 2020 17: 36
    +8
    There was also the H-41 type - the black knives of the Ural Tank Corps.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 30 November 2020 17: 37
    +3
    You can also add that during the Great Patriotic War, due to the shortage of carbon steel, some artels made Finns and knives from low-carbon steel, because of which the blades could bend. True, they gave them out to ordinary shooters, and certainly not to scouts.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 30 November 2020 18: 13
      +6
      Hao, Leader! hi
      German bayonet knives were found at the sites of former battles, one, in good condition, is still "alive".
      And now they can think of anything to shake money out of the public. For example, a knife for survival in the "post-apocalypse". laughing
    2. zenion
      zenion 1 December 2020 14: 47
      +2
      These Finns were all over the place. It was impossible to open a tin can with such a Finn. One push of the knife and the blade became dull, like those who made this finca for nearsmith. But with such a Finn it was good to cut water, hot water, if you heat it up, then spread butter on bread. She also cut bread without a crust well. If the bread hardened a little, then the knife slid across the bread like a skate on ice. My father had such a knife in his arsenal and he held it as a gift with an inscription from one person, about whom he never spoke, but remembered, also a front-line soldier. And my father had a good dagger made of Spanish steel, comfortable in his hand and if you throw it, it always flew forward with the blade. It was also a secret how this dagger got to him. With a Finnish knife, my father allowed me to cut watermelons, my hand would not slip.
  3. Zug
    Zug 30 November 2020 17: 52
    +5
    I have a Finnish natural pukko of those times. Lies, only the handle needs to be made anew. Karelian birch rotted in the trench ..
  4. Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 30 November 2020 18: 11
    +9
    And there were also plastun knives. But this is only for the Cossack special forces from the Ninth Plastun Krasnodar Red Banner Mountain Rifle Division.


    1. polar fox
      polar fox 1 December 2020 09: 03
      +1
      Quote: LIONnvrsk
      And there were also plastun knives. But this is only for the Cossack special forces from the Ninth Plastun Krasnodar Red Banner Mountain Rifle Division.



      they make such knives in Volgograd ... I ordered a saber from them)))
    2. Nexus 6
      Nexus 6 1 December 2020 09: 23
      +1
      Fake. Modern marketing "zavlekalovo". Unfortunately ... Sad from this! As it is nothing sacred, for the sake of the dough.
      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/dnevnik_rolevika/samyi-udachnyi-orujeinyi-feik-noj-plastuna-5d96e2066d29c100b113e481
      https://forum.guns.ru/forum_light_message/244/1551394.html
      1. Guru
        Guru 1 December 2020 20: 35
        -1
        Fake. Modern marketing "zavlekalovo". Unfortunately ... Sad from this! As it is nothing sacred, for the sake of the dough.
        You would be less sir Yandex-Zen would have read.
        1. Nexus 6
          Nexus 6 1 December 2020 20: 43
          +1
          I will deal with my literary preferences without your advice. The second link would you, sir, would you bother to look?
          1. Guru
            Guru 1 December 2020 21: 00
            +1
            And I also looked at the second one. Take my word for it, the discussions of Idiots do not interest me, because I know what Plastun knife is "not by hearsay," but directly from the one who used it during the Second World War. laughing If the short is a plastun knife, this is a knife made of checkers. And since this product was not made on an industrial scale and its length and shape of the handle were different and depended on the master, there is no way to standardize it. So all sorts of clever people are guessing on the coffee grounds. That's the truth Buddy drinks
        2. Nexus 6
          Nexus 6 1 December 2020 20: 51
          +2
          By the way, if you had bothered to present exhaustive evidence of my wrongness, then it would be a completely different matter! I will not resist. It will be interesting to get acquainted. wink
  5. agoran
    agoran 30 November 2020 18: 17
    +5
    Finnish puukko looks like a bird's-eye. He would not have taken him not only hunting, but even fishing.
    There is no support even on the handle, when the hand is wet with blood or water, it comes off, and you cut yourself.
    On fishing, the best knife with a handle made of birch bark and then boiled in oil. A balance with "zero buoyancy" was selected, that is, if dropped into water, the knife does not sink and can be picked up from a depth of 20-30 cm.
    Ours are good, but I liked the "trench knife", I saw it from a colleague, I used it, I liked everything.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 30 November 2020 18: 24
      +10
      Quote: agoran
      Finnish puukko looks like a bird's-eye. He would not have taken him not only hunting, but even fishing.
      There is no support even on the handle, when the hand is wet with blood or water, it comes off, and you cut yourself.

      Well, the Finns are not stupid. If this were a problem, then over the centuries of use, they probably would have guessed to make a guard or other emphasis.
      1. agoran
        agoran 30 November 2020 18: 28
        +4
        Well, I don’t know, kurate rice, what kind of fiiny.
        You try to cut a wild boar carcass with a similar knife, I'm sure you won't like it.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 30 November 2020 18: 36
          +3
          Quote: agoran
          Well, I don’t know, kurate rice, what kind of fiiny.
          You try to cut a wild boar carcass with a similar knife, I'm sure you won't like it.

          I'm not a hunter, I won't even try. I repeat: if this were a problem, the Finns would have fixed it long ago. So, not a problem. Or don't use puukko for butchering. Elementary.
          1. agoran
            agoran 30 November 2020 18: 42
            -2
            Well, Ich, like a hunter, and so I have a hunting set of three knives in one holster (if I said correctly), and so, there are three knives, one large for finishing off prey, in the handle a blade for opening the peritoneum and a saw for sawing off skull, medium knife and small knife.
            But because the Finns were a poor nation, they could only afford a wretched craft.
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 30 November 2020 18: 46
              +6
              Quote: agoran
              the Finns were a poor nation, they could only afford a wretched craft.

              Yeah, there was metal for a blade with a mounted mount (yes, for the same leuku, almost 40 cm long), but five centimeters was not enough for an emphasis, agas ... Or for cutting a wooden handle of the appropriate shape.
              Funny.
              1. agoran
                agoran 30 November 2020 18: 51
                -4
                For good friends, I make handles to order.
                An imprint on industrial plasticine, then the manufacture of a wooden orthopedic handle to order, even for friends, do you know how much it costs?
                1. Reviews
                  Reviews 30 November 2020 18: 53
                  +7
                  Quote: agoran
                  For good friends, I make handles to order.
                  An imprint on industrial plasticine, then the manufacture of a wooden orthopedic handle to order, even for friends, do you know how much it costs?

                  What are you all for?
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 30 November 2020 23: 47
                  +3
                  Quote: agoran
                  even for friends, do you know how much it costs?

                  Your greed is all worth it. And regarding the "poor" Finnish nation, the Finns came to the military enlistment office with their knives, unlike ours. Ours are poorer, it turns out.
                3. Aag
                  Aag 1 December 2020 10: 03
                  +3
                  "... Printing on industrial plasticine, then making an orthopedic handle from wood to order ..."
                  Orthopedic, anatomical handles greatly reduce the versatility of both knives and small arms (we are talking about short-barreled weapons). The use is justified in sports. I don't remember a single spetsnaz knife with an orthopedic handle ... Often even symmetrical ones are found, which (IMHO) is not true, -impossible touch, grip the handle, position the blade.
                  ... Do you make an impression on a bare hand? In a glove? A mitten? Upper, lower grip? I hope you understand what I mean.
                4. Mikhail3
                  Mikhail3 1 December 2020 10: 17
                  +4
                  Quote: agoran
                  For good friends, I make handles to order.
                  An imprint on industrial plasticine, then the manufacture of a wooden orthopedic handle to order, even for friends, do you know how much it costs?

                  Divorce sucker? M-a-l-a-e-c
                  The anatomical handle allows you to hold the knife in only one, strictly defined way. If the killer has a well-defined single blow, such a knife will suit him. For all other people, such a knife is wildly inconvenient. Of course, you can brag to the same suckers ...
            2. Aag
              Aag 1 December 2020 08: 36
              +6
              Quote: agoran
              Well, Ich, like a hunter, and so I have a hunting set of three knives in one holster (if I said correctly), and so, there are three knives, one large for finishing off prey, a blade for opening the peritoneum in the handle and a saw for sawing off skulls, medium knife and small knife .... "

              ... A knife for canned fish, a knife for canned meat, a knife for spreading butter ... It looks like they are driving you straight to the distance of a shot.)).
              How many people have seen living hunting, they never carry anything superfluous with them. A practical knife, a good ax allow you to solve the whole range of problems. The rest is fetishism, or show-off ...
            3. Nexus 6
              Nexus 6 1 December 2020 09: 30
              +4
              Excuse me ... Are you "finishing off" the boar with a KNIFE ??? Or maybe ... a moose?
        2. Walking
          Walking 30 November 2020 18: 59
          +6
          Easy to cut wild boar, elk, Finnish bear, this is a normal hunting knife. But the guard on the knife for hunting and fishing is not needed, it just interferes. For combat, the Finnish puukko was used with a special grip. And the Finns used the knives until the end until the knife worked, the quality of the blade was not very good.
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 30 November 2020 19: 32
            +2
            Quote: Hiking
            For the fight, the Finnish puukko was used with a special grip.

            Yes, so called. "Finnish (Scandinavian) grip".


            1. Avior
              Avior 30 November 2020 20: 10
              +5
              The classic Finnish knife does not seem to have a finger-rest, there is a different pommel rather.
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 30 November 2020 20: 31
                +3
                Quote: Avior
                The classic Finnish knife does not seem to have a finger-rest, there is a different pommel rather.

                And here the meaning of the photos is not in the finger-rest, but in the illustration, how the handle rests on the palm.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 30 November 2020 20: 48
                  +10
                  As for me, the Finnish knife in its classical form is a household knife, and no one planned to cut people with it.
                  Cut the fish, cut off the rope, clean the fish, shave something, and so on.
                  The specific shape of the handle was adapted just for this, the stop is to pierce a hole in the skin, instead of an awl, there really is a palm rest against the handle fungus.
                  Such a clumsy economic Opinel.
                  And when he passed into the category of combat, then, in my opinion, it naturally lost all its original features - a guard appeared, the shape of the blade and handle changed.
                  In general, it is difficult to understand what is sometimes common between a Finnish knife and a combat "finca".
                  hi
                  1. Reviews
                    Reviews 1 December 2020 08: 13
                    +2
                    Quote: Avior
                    As for me, the Finnish knife in its classical form is a household knife, and no one planned to cut people with it.

                    This is understandable.
                    And when he passed into the category of combat, then, in my opinion, it naturally lost all its original features - a guard appeared, the shape of the blade and handle changed.

                    There are different options.
                    Bayonet for Rk. 62




                    Sissipuukko M-95 from a special forces soldier.


                    There is no guard, there is only a small sub-finger stop. It is also, of course, a help, but very weak, in my opinion.
                    There is no "pike". The shape of the blade is almost like a purely economic Mora "Companion".
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 1 December 2020 08: 30
                      +1
                      Finns show off in the national style - I'm talking about the bayonet.
                      The shape of the blade is similar, and the handle for the bayonet is a secondary matter.
                      As for the knife at the bottom, it's a normal utility knife, again the handle has nothing to do with Finnish, the blade looks like, but there is a slight descent to the edge
                      But it cannot be said that this is a trench knife.
                      This would be suitable for tourists if, according to the formal requirements for melee weapons, the country passes
                      1. Reviews
                        Reviews 1 December 2020 08: 42
                        -1
                        Quote: Avior

                        the handle for the bayonet is a secondary matter.

                        As far as I understand, the bayonet knife is supposed to be used in an open form. And not only for cutting off a fish head.
                        the handle has nothing to do with Finnish

                        There is no guard. That's what I mean.
                        This would be suitable for tourists if, according to the formal requirements for melee weapons, the country passes

                        Well, the ranger in the photo never looks like a tourist. And no one goes on a mission with a tourist knife. The location clearly indicates a quick extraction. This is not required in a kitchen outfit.
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 1 December 2020 09: 14
                        +1
                        the bayonet-knife is supposed to be used in the open form. And not only for cutting off a fish head.

                        assumed.
                        it is unlikely that this shape of the handle can be justified by anything other than national traditions. On the other hand, I am generally skeptical about bayonets about automatic weapons. A bayonet is a weapon with a slow reload. I cannot imagine a bayonet fight between two groups of soldiers with such a weapon, when it is enough for one of them to take a long line without aiming to turn the battle into a massacre. For me, snacking on barbed wire is a more useful function. But, this is my opinion, I do not insist.
                        There is no guard. That's what I mean

                        but the handle has nothing to do with Finnish either. Utility knife.
                        Well, the ranger in the photo never looks like a tourist, and no one goes on a mission with a tourist knife.

                        Peltonen's contemporary creation with a claim to national style smile from which little is left in the knife.

                        Sold to tourists at every turn.
                        Utility knife.

                        In the reviews they write that the Swedes seem to have bought a little. The Finns showed no interest.
                        https://steel-knife.ru/knife/Peltonen_M95_SissiPuukko/
                        http://nesusvet.narod.ru/txt/knife/knife_peltonen_sissipuukko.htm

                        70 euros and it's yours. smile
                        https://scandinavianoutdoor.ru/j-p-peltonen/snaryazhenie/nozhi-i-instrumenty/finskie-nozhi/sissipuukko-m95/
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                      3. Reviews
                        Reviews 1 December 2020 09: 37
                        -1
                        Quote: Avior
                        I am generally skeptical about bayonets about automatic weapons. ...
                        A bayonet is a weapon with a slow reload. I cannot imagine a bayonet fight between two groups of soldiers with such a weapon, when it is enough for one of them to take a long line without aiming to turn the battle into a massacre ..

                        Well, this is already a question for a bunch of war ministries around the world. Apparently they find it useful. There are bayonet knives for both Steyr AUG and M-16 ... But these two, all the same, with an emphasis in front of the handle.
                        but the handle has nothing to do with Finnish either.

                        I can see it myself. I just showed a combat knife without a guard.
                        guard appeared


                        The Finns showed no interest.

                        The picture shows a Finnish soldier.
                        70 euros and it's yours. smile

                        I have enough "mora".
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 1 December 2020 09: 56
                        +1
                        A bayonet is a bayonet, not a knife, for an army equipped with automatic weapons, an anachronism, in my opinion.
                        In March 2010, the US Army decided to abandon the bayonet and training soldiers in bayonet techniques. The decision is justified by the fact that, according to the Pentagon, in the conditions of modern warfare, the bayonet is no longer a necessary and reliable weapon. However, the US Marine Corps announced that it would not be phasing out bayonets for now. [13]

                        I can see it myself. I just showed a combat knife without a guard.

                        rather universal.
                        the fact that he is with the military does not automatically make him combat. This soldier probably has a folding Swedish knife in his pocket. Peltonen's knife is not specialized in killing people, as trench knives were, (but they also had a tendency to versatility, although the main purpose was to kill a person), although it is possible.
                        I gave the photo above, which clearly shows the difference between the Finnish, combat knife and the universal Peltonen.
                      5. Reviews
                        Reviews 1 December 2020 10: 19
                        -1
                        Well, here, the most combat-ready branch of the US military knows what it is doing ... Not all of the ILC consists of saboteurs who need to silently shoot sentries. :)
                        Although, I also read that a soldier's pistol is now considered by many to be preferable to a knife.
                        Quote: Avior
                        This soldier probably has a folding Swedish knife in his pocket.

                        As if, on combat gear, the knife is not primarily for cleaning fish. :) Whatever is in your pocket, it is the "peltonen" that is immediately available. The versatility does not prevent this. Vaughn, "d'estenas" are also universal - and cut game in the wardroom, and for battle.
                      6. Avior
                        Avior 1 December 2020 10: 29
                        +2
                        As if, on combat gear, the knife is not primarily for cleaning fish. :)

                        if this is not an ordinary infantryman, then for survival too, including cleaning fish.
                        it is not for nothing that they are first of all sold to tourists, they were made for this, a commercial project.
                        But it is far from the classic Finnish household knife.
                        the French folding Opinel is closer to the classic Finnish

                        but it is difficult to use against a person.
                        And this one is universal, for all occasions, as far as possible. Universal is always a set of compromises, therefore there is no guard.
                      7. Reviews
                        Reviews 1 December 2020 11: 06
                        0
                        Quote: Avior

                        the French folding Opinel is closer to the classic Finnish

                        I agree with this.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 30 November 2020 20: 20
    +3
    Quote: agoran
    There is no support even on the handle, when the hand is wet with blood or water, it comes off, and you cut yourself.
    You won't cut yourself. The whole point of the finca was that the shape and material of the handle ensured a reliable hold of the knife in the hand, a guard was not required. Then they began to call everything Finnish.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 1 December 2020 10: 13
    +5
    Finnish puukko looks like a bird's-eye. He would not have taken him not only hunting, but even fishing.
    There is no support even on the handle, when the hand is wet with blood or water, it comes off, and you cut yourself.
    On fishing, the best knife with a handle made of birch bark and then boiled in oil. A balance with "zero buoyancy" was selected, that is, if dropped into water, the knife does not sink and can be picked up from a depth of 20-30 cm.
    A work knife always looked like this, until the very middle of the twentieth century. As a "bird's-eye". If you are shown something more "beautiful", then it is either some kind of rich regalia, or a pin for killing, such as mountain daggers, is no longer suitable for anything else. As for the convenience - the Finn is not for the cross-handed, that's all. And a skillful person who needs to intercept a knife for everyone in various household jobs is just a godsend. The birch bark handle is very fragile, all the more so for some reason boiled in oil (some kind of game, from the most stupid marketing notions, birch bark does not rot anyway, there is a lot of tar in it, what kind of butter do you want ?!)
  • mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 30 November 2020 18: 22
    +2
    Fun
    [/ quote] In the Karelian forests, where the Finns often acted with partisan methods, it was difficult for the Red Army soldiers armed with rifles with bayonets to resist in close combat the Finnish soldiers armed with comfortable puukko knives

    A rifle with a bayonet for what fight ... Knife versus a rifle with a bayonet, well, in a trench dump it might be better, but in a forest?
    The most popular were "Finns" among criminals, as well as those part of the professional revolutionaries who were engaged in "expropriation" to replenish the party treasury.

    Well, you have parallels ... Or maybe Ter-Petrosyan (Kamo) and Dzhugashvili went to work with daggers, how do you know?
    And after the Winter War, it was decided to start supplying automatic weapons to the army and to establish the production of a regular army knife on the basis of the "finca" that has long been familiar to our people.

    I wonder what such a decision, order, circular, directive looked like. In my opinion, a kitchen knife is more familiar to our person, well, at worst, a corkscrew.
    n [i] in the armament of the Red Army there was already an army knife, which was in no way inferior to the puukko, and in some parameters even surpassed it.

    It is interesting in what parameters our knife was not inferior, and in what way it was superior to the Finnish, what and what was compared
    In particular, the SS and SA daggers used by the Germans since the beginning of the war were not suitable for domestic purposes, which is why the German army subsequently ordered army knives from the Solingen company, modeled on ordinary kitchen knives.[Quote]

    Here I agree with the author, you can't peel potatoes with such a knife, and you can't cut sausages with a bayonet from a three-line.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 30 November 2020 18: 37
      -1
      Quote: mr.ZinGer

      It is interesting in what parameters our knife was not inferior, and in what way it was superior to the Finnish, what and what was compared

      Apparently, by the presence of a finger-rest and a "pike".
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 30 November 2020 18: 39
    0
    There is also the famous offshoot of the finca - "black knife". Even the Germans called the Ural Volunteer Tank Corps "Shwarzemesserdivision" - "Black Knife Division"
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 30 November 2020 18: 43
      +2
      Quote: Cowbra
      There is also the famous offshoot of the finca - "black knife".

      This is an ordinary finca, only with a black handle and scabbard.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 30 November 2020 19: 55
        0
        In addition to the brand - the usual
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 30 November 2020 20: 32
          0
          Quote: Cowbra
          In addition to the brand - the usual

          ... that is, it is not a fork. An ordinary finca.
  • agoran
    agoran 30 November 2020 18: 55
    +1
    Quote: Avis
    Or cutting a wooden handle of the appropriate shape.

    To that.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 30 November 2020 18: 57
      -1
      Quote: agoran
      Quote: Avis
      Or cutting a wooden handle of the appropriate shape.

      To that.

      Clear. I just wanted to get worn out. I didn't say a word about the ergonomic handles. Only about the ledge for the stop.
      1. agoran
        agoran 30 November 2020 19: 03
        -3
        Did you use knives at all?
        The orthopedic handle just has a thumb rest.
        Dial the Kund 6 hunting knife, are you a kid?
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 30 November 2020 19: 11
          +1
          Quote: agoran
          Did you use knives at all?
          The orthopedic handle just has a thumb rest.
          Dial the Kund 6 hunting knife, are you a kid?

          I not only use knives, but also use the Russian language. You will also learn. And it looks like you once chopped off something wrong in your head. And, when you learn Russian, re-read my postings again. Good luck.
          1. agoran
            agoran 30 November 2020 19: 16
            +1
            My other language, sorry.
            Not interested, nor are you posting this post?
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 30 November 2020 19: 18
              +1
              Quote: agoran
              My other language

              It is noticeable.
  • exo
    exo 30 November 2020 18: 57
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    "Cherry" appeared for the Afghan war, 1979. And then, at the special forces. Based on blades from HP-40, released during the war years.
    "This form made it more convenient to deliver most of the most common attacks to the enemy" - have you tried such grips? Just the shape of the guard, very uncomfortable. On the net you can find a photo of the Red Army soldiers from the HP-40, where the guard is bent on its own in the other direction.
    1. agoran
      agoran 30 November 2020 19: 24
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      What do you think of the Solingen trench knife?
      I visited a colleague, I used it, I really liked it. I'll try to insert a photo.
      1. Avior
        Avior 30 November 2020 21: 03
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        It looks like a slippery wooden handle and a weak shape for the grip.
        Take a look at the WWII trench American MK3.

        A simple, durable, reliable soldier's knife with a guard, bent under the thumb, for different grips. The German is clearly worse in this respect.
  • Avior
    Avior 30 November 2020 19: 19
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    Detailed article about Finns on VO
    Much more detailed than this
    https://topwar.ru/160995-nemnogo-o-finkah.html?_gl=1*1xery3t*_ga*M2g0TF9nRzhpUWpGVHVQOXNtN3kteEthOU5QNG9EeW5SbEhnRi1wWjFaVHMwQTRETGR1U1FVdVg2b04yVkdMQQ..#comments
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 30 November 2020 19: 43
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      Quote: Avior
      https://topwar.ru/160995-nemnogo-o-finkah.html?_gl=1*1xery3t*_ga*M2g0TF9nRzhpUWpGVHVQOXNtN3kteEthOU5QNG9EeW5SbEhnRi1wWjFaVHMwQTRETGR1U1FVdVg2b04yVkdMQQ..#comments

      Good article. I read about bracing blades only in fiction, albeit with a real front-line writer. At one time I wanted to drag the brace from the decommissioned An-2 in order to also make myself a knife "based on", but was advised against - they say, "the steel is not the same, except to cut someone, but not sharpen pencils." Then he regretted not pocketing it. Let it lie, at least, like a "pillowcase".
  • exo
    exo 30 November 2020 20: 06
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    In my commentary, I used the name HP-40, which is incorrect. This knife is called: Army knife of the 1941 model, factory code (AN-41), which has the GAU index 56 - X - 714.
    An extremely superficial article.
  • Old26
    Old26 1 December 2020 19: 15
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    Quote: AAG
    Orthopedic, anatomical handles greatly reduce the versatility of both knives and small arms (we are talking about short-barreled weapons). The use is justified in sports.

    Strongly agree 7. For several years I myself was engaged in the "pistol", so just such handles were made for Margolin's pistol. Made for yourself gave its advantages. But to take a friend's trunk with a different handle - the results began to fall
    And knives, you are right with such handles and never met. Although for yourself it may be a more convenient thing than with a standard one ... But only for yourself
  • Michael HORNET
    Michael HORNET 3 December 2020 07: 33
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    Knife NR-43 Cherry appeared only in 1979 for the Afghan campaign, there is not a single knife found or even a photo before this time
    They were made on the basis of the existing blades for HP / NA-40, some of the blades could be remakes
    Its handle is very uncomfortable in my opinion
    Treating a knife as a weapon is the stupidest folly
    The knife is just a household tool, most of the combatants in the combat zone have their own knives, including many fans of folding knives, for it is convenient to carry